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Turkey And Back-4 Flights + Inflight Cockpit Visit  
User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2668 times:

Hello everybody,

yesterday, I returned from a week of holiday in Turkey, and I´m going to share my aviation related experiences with you, if you like.


I bought my ticket about two weeks before the trip. I deliberately picked a package that included flights from my home airport Dortmund (DTM) via Nuremberg (NUE) to Antalya (AYT) and back for a couple of reasons:
- I had never flown Air Berlin (AB) before;
- I had never flown on a jet from or to DTM (which became possible only last year when the runway was extended from 1450 metres to 2000 metres);
- I had never flown from or to NUE before;
- I had never flown on a 737 with winglets;
- I like connecting flights or enroute stops (which is quite rare in German holiday traffic) - it gives you more flights for the same money.

I was a little disappointed I got those AB flights via NUE only for the outbound part of my journey, while the return was to be a nonstop Hapag-Lloyd (HF) AYT-DTM. However, when the tickets were delivered to my place, a stop at Leipzig (LEJ) had been added for the return flight - every normal customer would have been angry, but not me, I was like "yipie, four flights instead of three!"

The DTM-NUE flight was scheduled for departure at 0630; I would have had to be at the airport at 0430 because AB formally require their pax to check in at least two hours prior to the flight. In order to avoid that, I gladly accepted the offer of a late check in the evening before.


Tue, March 19, 2002: DTM-NUE AB6372 B737-8J6 D-ABAW

I arrived at DTM at 0530 - only to find out that the flight was delayed and expected to depart at 0700. I didn´t care because I wasn´t going to let petty stuff like that ruin my hard-earned holiday. I proceded swiftly through security to the gate where I inquired about the delay´s cause. It was as I had guessed: there´s a 2200 curfew at DTM, and the plane hadn´t made it the evening before. She had been diverted to Duesseldorf and had to be ferried to DTM the next morning. Well done, tree-hugging airport haters: one additional very early morning take off at DUS, one additional very early morning landing at DTM - both the environment and the respective airports´ neighbours say "thanks a million".
Anyway, finally our plane arrived and roughly 100 passengers boarded. The plane was D-ABAW, L/N 485, delivered to AB on Feb 28, 2000.


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17 of AB´s 23 737-800 are equipped with winglets, and, as you see, she is one of them. AB´s -800 are configured with 184 seats.
The short 200-mile-hop took about 40 minutes during which the stewardesses handed out some snack bags but no drinks.
I was quite amazed (and not amused) that they permitted smoking. This practice is actually outlawed on domestic German flights.

Tue, March 19, 2002: NUE-AYT AB7840 B737-8J6 D-ABAO

Let me first tell you something about the AB hub and spoke system: on Mondays, Tuesdays and Thursdays, AB flies 737s from 13 German cities into NUE where the passengers are reshuffled and sent to their final destinations around the Mediterranean. This guarantees a very high number of connexions with convenient connecting times between one and 2.5 hours. This system is quite unique for German holiday airlines, all competitors rely on point to point traffic, with an occasional enroute stop, but connexions are very rare. So I was not really surprised to count eleven AB 737s neatly side by side upon arrival at NUE. This system does have disadvantages, though: the gate area was absolutely crowded, people having to sit on the floor, clearing passport checks seemed to take forever and the queues at the ladies´ rooms were huge. Thank God I didn´t have to undergo another security check.
Boarding started at 0910 (scheduled departure was 0920). I was booked on the second of three (!) flights NUE-AYT departing within 15 minutes. So next time you´re discussing who needs the A380 on which routes, don´t forget AB on the NUE-AYT run  Wink/being sarcastic.
A bus took us to the waiting plane:


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yet another -800. This one, D-ABAO, is L/N 42 and was delivered to AB on May 10, 1998. She is owned by AB´s CEO who leases her to the company (  Wow! ).
During taxi, I spotted G-LOFC, an Atlantic Airlines (?) Electra.


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An eventless flight over the Czech Republic, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria and Istanbul followed. The plane was completely packed, we got a cold breakfast, only two drinks and an assortment of German low quality magazines but no newspapers.
Upon arrival at AYT, two other AB 737-800 awaited us (hmm strange, weren´t we supposed to arrive second?), one of them was D-ABAW with which I had flown DTM-NUE; I noticed a Tyumenavia AN26 (RA-26012) of which unfortunately no photos are available in the database.

Tue, March 26, 2002: AYT-LEJ HF2650 B737-8K5 D-AHFB

After a nice week at the Turish Riviera, my first trip to Asia, by the way, I came back to AYT for the return flight. There was a security check upon entering the terminal building. No queue at check in, due to a very light load I was to find out later. I went straight to the departure area from where a decent look on the apron was possible. Some exotic planes I saw:

Sibir IL86 RA-86108:


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(I had actually expected the pax to be Russian parvenus on holiday at the Turkish Riviera, but they were Turks.)

Free Bird MD83 TC-FBG:


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MNG pax A300 TC-MNE:


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After some wandering around, I entered the gate area. Another security check was conducted at that occasion. We boarded at 1000 (scheduled departure at 1020). Our plane was D-AHFB, L/N 8, delivered to HF on Dec 15, 1998. Built early, delivered late, this plane served some time at Boeing as an NG prototype.


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She still is in the old classy livery, plus winglets have been added since this shot was made.

Upon settling in my seat, I noticed, much to my pleasure, that HF´s change of corporate identity towards the TUI group brought a new sickbag design as well. I quickly repossessed some specimens for my collection, contemplating the fact that on five HF trips I had encountered as many different bag designs.

As I mentioned earlier, this flight was quite empty (HF´s -800s are configured exactly like AB´s, with 185 seats): 49 pax boarded at AYT, 30 left the plane at LEJ, 44 boarded there for the flight back to AYT; of course 19 got off at DTM, don´t know how many boarded there. The plane´s routing that day was FRA-AYT-LEJ-DTM-AYT-FRA, the crew from FRA was replaced at DTM. I learned that from a conversation with a stewardess during our stop at LEJ.
Back to the AYT-LEJ leg, during boarding passports and boarding passes/tickets were matched a third time - combined with the double security check this leaves the impression that the Turks are quite paranoid. Like on AB, we got only two drinks as well as a cold breakfast. But, in addition to the low quality magazines, three of the major four German newspapers were distributed - not bad.
Our routing was similar to the one for the outbound flight. We landed at LEJ on the main runway (3600 metres), which meant we had to cross the autobahn on a bridge in order to get to the terminal.

Tue, March 26, 2002: LEJ-DTM HF2650 B737-8K5 D-AHFB

As I said before, we stayed on board during our 40 minutes stay at LEJ. We had to take all our carry on luggage from the overhead bins so the steward(esse)s could check nothing had been left behind, be it deliberately (God forbid) or accidentally.
We then pulled of the gate for the last leg of my trip, another 200 mile/40 minute hop. On the way to the runway I spotted D-BAKC, a WDL F27:


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Of course we had to cross the autobahn again. Interesting titbit: on this stretch of autobahn, a disproportionally high number of fatal accidents occur, because the motorists gawk at the planes. The East Germans are not very good at driving a car, you see Big grin ...

Just like on the DTM-NUE flight, snack bags were distributed among the passengers, only this time with drinks.
Upon landing at DTM first the passengers whose journey ended there left the plane, then those who continued on to AYT. This was, by the way, HF´s very first flight into DTM in the year 2002.
A last exotic plane I saw, which I want to share with you:

Kibris Tuerk Hava Yollari/Cyprus Turkish Airlines 737-800 TC-MAO:


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COCKPIT VISIT

During both flights between Germany and AYT, I asked the purser(ette) for a cockpit visit. On both occasions the answer was negative, citing company policy forbidding it. My reply was, in both cases, along the lines "oh come on, please make an exception, Condor allows it too" (which is true, they even still advertise this). One purser remained firm, the other one went to the cockpit and asked the captain whether an exception could be made. He/she returned and said it was OK for me to go in. I´m not going to tell whether it was AB´s or HF´s staff who made this exception. Since I don´t know whether they broke or only bent company rules, I don´t want them to reprimanded or anything, just in case some supervisor gets to read this report. I know that´s a long shot, but why take chances.
Anyway, it doesn´t matter that much; I went in and chatted a while with the guys about "God and the world", as we say in Germany. About the -800´s performance compared to the -400´s, about the short new runway at DTM (they didn´t like it, they said it puts a lot of stress on crews and is very unforgiving towards mistakes), about why they preferred this alternate airport for a diversion over the other, about the -800s´ winglets and their savings potential and about their company´s refitting process, about the curfew at DTM etc. After roughly half an hour up front they asked me to return to my seat, because they started the descent.

Conclusio

All in all, I liked HF better for these reasons:
- Better service (drink on the domestic flight);
- Unlike AB, they complied with the non-smoking law on domestic flights;
- Better choice of reading material;
- Friendlier crew
- I didn´t have to watch some silly movie - leaving much more time for the beloved airshow (at AB, they subjected us to the cruel and unusual punishment of an abridged version of "Meet The Parents" - *shudder*).

OK, that´s it. Thanks for reading the entire report (yes I know, it´s long), I hope you liked it. Questions are welcome, and I´d appreciate any kind of feedback.

RE: Cockpit visits - just go ahead and ask, the worse they can do is say no. And, as my example proves, exceptions are possible.

Hasta la vista,

Daniel Smile

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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2429 times:

Hi Daniel!

I hope you enjoyed your vacation in Turkey. Your trip report sounds like you had a few very good flights. It is extremely nice that the crew offers you a cockpit visit, I can imagine that it was very interesting. Maybe I ask tomorrow also for a cockpit visit on my flights to VIE.

Patrick



User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2412 times:

Hi Daniel,

could you explain me better the Air Berlin "hub & spoke" for holiday flights??
Do they base for nightover B738s in 13 different airports??
And from the fact that your flight was to Antalya and some others to closer place like Athens or far like Hurgada, that means in order to have a connection for the back flights, some B738s have to stay some hours in NUE, is this sound very uneconomical.
If one plane is very late in the back flight, what happened to the connections pax??

Thank and yours was a really interesting trip report Big thumbs up


User currently offlineB737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 2404 times:


Cool report. Was fun reading it. I also enjoyed HF last summer on their 737-800. I especially liked the winglets on the inbound flight and as you said they provide you with quite good magazines.



User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (12 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2393 times:


>>>Do they base for nightover B738s in 13 different airports??

Yes, they do indeed. It´s even 14 airports because there are flights from both Berlin-Tegel and -Schoenefeld. The 14 flights whose arrival times I listed below depart from their respective destinations between 0610 and 0655. Hence they have to stay there overnight.

These are the AB arrivals at NUE:

Berlin-Tegel 0705
Rostock 0715
Erfurt 0720
Hanover 0720
Cologne 0725
Dortmund 0730
Paderborn 0730
Dresden 0735
Leipzig 0735
Berlin-Schoenefeld 0740
Hamburg 0740
Muenster 0740
Duesseldorf 0745
Frankfurt 0750

And these are the departures (on Tuesdays):

Tenerife South 0820
Sharm el Sheik 0835
Luxor 0840
Sharm el Sheik 0845
Arrecife 0850
Luxor 0850
Agadir 0855
Arrecife 0855
Sharm el Sheik 0855
Agadir 0900
Palma de Mallorca 0910
Antalya 0915
Monastir 0915
Alicante 0920
Malaga 0920
Agadir 0925
Antalya 0925
Monastir 0925
Antalya 0930

So, in addition to the 14 incoming planes another 5 ones must have spent the night at Nuremberg. All in all, this leaves us with 266 possible connections and connecting times between 30 minutes and 2:25 hours - try offering that portfolio with point to point flights.

For the return, it´s similar; if we take again the example of Tuesday, the 19 planes arrive back at NUE between 1805 and 1910 - then 14 of them do the domestic flights, departing between 2010 and 2055.

>>>And from the fact that your flight was to Antalya and some others to closer place like Athens or far like Hurgada, that means in order to have a connection for the back flights, some B738s have to stay some hours in NUE, is this sound very uneconomical.

Yes and no: what varies is the ground time at the final destination - the shortest ground time must be at the farthest destination, the longest at the nearest. These places should be Sharm el Sheik and Palma, and consequently, the ground time at these places is 45 minutes and 4:40 hours. However, the 19 planes average ground time is a little under 2:15 hours - I guess that´s an acceptable figure.

>>>If one plane is very late in the back flight, what happened to the connections pax??

This, of course is a problem with every hub and spoke system. And, unlike in classic hub and spoke systems in the U.S., one can´t just say "just take the next flight" - because the next flight is next week, in many cases. So, if there´s not a major disruption (unlikely with a fleet of very young 737-800s), the simple solution is just to wait. And that´s exactly what happened the day before my outbound flight: one of the afternoon flights to NUE was delayed, so all domestic flights waited - the result being the flight to DTM not arriving before the airport´s closure and the subsequent diversion to DUS.

I hope that answered your questions,

Daniel Smile



P.S.: I just spotted a mistake, HF´s 737-800s have 184 seats (just like AB´s), not 185 as I wrote)


User currently offlineKuba74 From Poland, joined Mar 2000, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2349 times:

One of the best trip reports I`ve ever read on this forum.

User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 42
Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

Airsicknessbag,
Thanks for your great trip report! I hardly ever get to read something about my home airport (DTM) at airliners.net.
However, I would like to add two points:

AB hub&spoke system
It is not entirely correct that the turn-around time at the destination airport in the Mediterranean depends on the flight time from/ to NUE. Charter operators have optimzed their equipment use, so they get up to 14h of flying per day out of their Boeings or Airbusses. Granted, it is a little less in winter, but still they could not afford to have the aircraft sit idle for hours somewhere.
Instead, on shorter runs, AB flies another round trip back to Germany, returns back in the Mediterranean in the afternoon and flies back to the NUE "hub".
Example:

DTMNUE
NUEPMI
PMIPAD
PADPMI
PMINUE
NUEDTM

My company has received aircraft scheduling charts from all major German charter airlines for one of our projects. It is quite interesting to read them.

Other charter hubs
You are right that nonstop flights to holiday destinations are still the rule, however, in recent years there is a trend towards hubbing:
HF has a hub at PMI for connections between Germany and places on the Iberian peninsula.
YP has a hub in MUC, connecting between FRA, DUS and other places and the Med.

Anyway, I just feld I should add these points - but please keep in mind that they do not reduce the great quality of your report in any way!  Smile




Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (12 years 5 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

In Italy there is a kind of holiday flights "hub & spoke", cause Eurofly (the charter division of AZ) is based in MXP and offers all the Italian AZ network for very cheap fares.
Also Volare/Air Europe have a domestic scheduled network out from MXP that's also their main charter base for long-haul, so they could offer connections for some domestic destinations.


User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2321 times:

Jens,

>>>You are right that nonstop flights to holiday destinations are still the rule, however, in recent years there is a trend towards hubbing:
HF has a hub at PMI for connections between Germany and places on the Iberian peninsula.
YP has a hub in MUC, connecting between FRA, DUS and other places and the Med.

yes, of course you´re right about HF´s PMI and YP´s MUC hub. DE also had one at MUC a few years back (I had a great flight MUC-FRA in an empty DC10 [~ 30 pax] in late 1998) but I believe they abandonned that concept.

>>>It is not entirely correct that the turn-around time at the destination airport in the Mediterranean depends on the flight time from/ to NUE. Charter operators have optimzed their equipment use, so they get up to 14h of flying per day out of their Boeings or Airbusses. Granted, it is a little less in winter, but still they could not afford to have the aircraft sit idle for hours somewhere.
Instead, on shorter runs, AB flies another round trip back to Germany, returns back in the Mediterranean in the afternoon and flies back to the NUE "hub".

I respectfully beg to differ: If we take the Tuesday flight to PMI as an example - the ground time for this one is indeed the longest - there´s not enough time to squeeze in another PMI-Germany-PMI run: arrival at PMI is at 1115, departure back to NUE is 1655; the net flying time PMI-MUC-PMI would be 4:10 hours - which would leave 1:30 hours for turning around the plane at PMI, MUC and PMI. A bit tight, isn´t it? I really guess they accept that the plane sits at PMI for 5:40 hours; after all, as you said, it´s winter, and, as I said, the average ground time of 2:14 hours for all flights on Tuesdays ex-NUE appears to be quite acceptable.


To all, thanks VERY much for your kind comments. I actually was afraid my trip report was too long - I guess that fear was not justified.

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineGodbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 months 6 days ago) and read 2317 times:

A great report! I guess you had a real pleasant holiday in Turkey.
Maybe I'll ask for a cockpit visit on my next flight with Ryanair... Maybe they want a € for it  Big thumbs up

Max


User currently offlineB737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 months 6 days ago) and read 2316 times:


lol, good one Godbless !


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 42
Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2289 times:

Airsicknessbag,

You may have a point here concerning the scheduling. Let me check that when I'm back at work on Tuesday.
 Smile

With the typical rotation pattern of German charter airlines being the "triple Baleares run" for operation from german airports with no night-time curfews (i.e. departure for the first flight before 0600, return between 2300 and 0000) and the "Baleares-Canaries" run for airports with night flight restrictions (i.e. one rotation to a destination <2,5h flight time, one to a destination up to 4,5h flight time), there seems to be some space left for a "feeder-plus-double-Baleares" run between 0600 and 2300h.

I'll try to validate my theory, although I'm not sure if we have flight data from AB. However, we do have plans from HF, DE and YP; so maybe it is possible to deduct the findings from their schedules.

Anyway, y'all have a happy Easter!



Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineLH738 From Germany, joined Nov 2000, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2269 times:

Great background info & very good report. I've never been on a German charter flight - so your details were very interesting for me.

User currently offlineKlmfan From Austria, joined Jun 2001, 445 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2252 times:

Airsicknessbag,

Were did you stay during your visit in Antalya? How did you like it?

I was in Antalya, actually in Manavgat, from March 24th to March 31st.

regards,
klmfan


User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days ago) and read 2248 times:


Hey, what a coincidence.
I was stayed at a hotel named "Bueyuek", located in that hotel agglomeration 3 kilometres west of Side, called Kumkoey. Were you at the Majestic Club Palm Beach?
Anyway, I liked it quite much. The weather was not that nice, though - German North Sea-like from the weekend on. Did it become better after I left?

What airline did you fly with? Have the loads picked up since my pitifully empty flights? What about a trip report?

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4754 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (12 years 5 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

Good trip report. You are lucky because cockpit visits have actually stopped on several international airlines since 911. My request was sadly turned down last week when I flew between Singapore and Bangkok via Kuala Lumpur with Malaysia Airlines on their B777-200.  Sad


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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 42
Reply 16, posted (12 years 5 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2232 times:

I was trying to prove my point that AB won't let their 738's sit around idle for hours in the Mediterranean in order to coordinate flights with their "hub" flight banks in NUE.
This is a typical pattern for their aircraft used on NUE hub flights. Example shown is for D-ABAK, between October 9 and 15, 2000:

AB1198 TXL NUE 0400 0455
AB1198 NUE IBZ 0540 0755
AB1199 IBZ NUE 0840 1050
AB1342 NUE IBZ 1150 1305
AB1443 IBZ FMO 1315 1540 I don't know if this 10min stopover is a missprint
AB1442 FMO IBZ 1625 1845
AB1545 IBZ PAD 1935 2155

all times are GMT

So it seems that the same a/c does not return to NUE, instead it gets rotated through other German airports in order to maximize its use.

The same principle applies for planes flying the evening bank in NUE. They start off in the morning with direct flights from other German airports to Mediterranean destinations, and do the NUE flights in the evening.



Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (12 years 5 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2229 times:


Aha, thanks for sharing that interesting information. Clever, to let one a/c do the hub and spoke system in the morning and some point to point flights during the rest of the day. Another plane can fly the pattern vice versa.

The example is by the way for Monday, October 9, 2000, and there are some points that are disturbing me:
According to the OAG, AB1199 arrived at NUE at 1050 GMT alright, but continued on, still as AB1199, back to TXL, arriving there at 1235 GMT.
AB1342, on the other hand, departed NUE for IBZ at 1050 (not 1150, that would have been only 1:15 hours for NUE-IBZ, not enough) and arrived at IBZ at 1305. Next flight was AB1135 to TXL 1350-1625. Next flight after that was AB1134 TXL-IBZ 1710-2000 and back to NUE 2045-2255 (AB1343).
And finally, AB1443 which did the IBZ-FMO-IBZ-PAD run from 1315 on, arrived at 1225 as AB1638 from CGN.

All in all, according to the OAG, the flights you listed above seem to have been part of the respective "working days" of three planes:

a)
AB1198 TXL NUE 0400 0455
AB1198 NUE IBZ 0540 0755
AB1199 IBZ NUE 0840 1050
AB1199 NUE TXL 1140-1235
???

b)
AB1354 NUE SMI 0200-0440
AB1355 SMI NUE 0515-0800
AB1342 NUE IBZ 1050 1305
AB1135 IBZ TXL 1350 1625
AB1134 TXL IBZ 1710 2000
AB1343 IBZ NUE 2045 2255

c)
AB1836 DUS IBZ 0400 0625
AB1639 IBZ CGN 0710 0930
AB1638 CGN IBZ 1015 1225
AB1443 IBZ FMO 1315 1540
AB1442 FMO IBZ 1625 1845
AB1545 IBZ PAD 1935 2155



Daniel Smile


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 42
Reply 18, posted (12 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

Airsicknessbag,
I appreciate the extra research you are putting into this. However, I extracted my information from the actual AB flight plan data for that time period. As you will understand, I must not publish the entire set of data here, since this is confidential material given to ouzr company. However, if you like, I might be able to scan the particular plan for D-ABAK and send it to you via E-mail to show you that I am not making things up.
 Smile




Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineKlmfan From Austria, joined Jun 2001, 445 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (12 years 5 months 9 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

I was staying at Pasha's Beach Club - very nice resort.
It was sunny and warm from Tuesday on to Sunday but the wind was very strong, making it a little bit chilly.
Nevertheless I got sunburnt....

It was my first stay in Turkey and I liked it very much. I would definitely come again.

Regards,
Klmfan


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