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Exotic Easter Island To SCL In LAN J, Tons Of Pics  
User currently offlineogre727 From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 718 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 14909 times:

Background
It has been a very long while since I wrote a trip report. This one is rather special. Me and my partner have been having tons of difficulties lately, without going into details, we had decided to take some time apart, so I remained in Argentina and he moved temporarily to Chile, where he is from.

Finally, after a lot of talk, we decided to take a trip together, and we picked Easter Island, thinking it would be a nice place to visit, isolated from people, things and other distractions.

To make a long story short, our week in Easter Island was a total success, he is in fact coming back to Argentina next week and we had an amazing time.

For people who say that 2 or 3 days are enough in Easter Island, well… my opinion is that they are terribly mistaken. The island is very small, but there are a million and one things to do. Visiting those weird statue heads is just a small part, you can go to the beach, go hiking into the volcanoes, take a four by four and go exploring, go out at night to really nice bars, do some plane spotting and more. We had a blast. We spend five days over there.

So this trip report is about the flight back to Chile from Easter Island. We had to take LAN as they are the only carrier that flies there. I, however, don’t get the negative comments I read from some people here in the forum about LAN as they usually provide me with very good service, and this was no exception.

The airport
The airport in Easter Island is very weird. It’s very small but it has a very long runway. I am sure you nerds know by now that it was to be used as an alternative landing site for the space shuttles, so NASA and the government of Chile extended the runway to over 10.000 feet. The airport is very basic though:

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5141.jpg

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5138.jpg

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5137.jpg

And a funny sign:

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5136.jpg

Some thing this airport is fantastic for, is the plane spotting opportunities it provides. While you are waiting for your plane, you can walk almost to the runway and photograph your ride back to the continent. Here are some pics of my plane landing. It was one of the Oneworld birds!!!

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5144.jpg

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5145.jpg

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5146.jpg

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5148.jpg

Check in was a breeze, and the lady at the counter was really nice. She produced our boarding passes and assigned our seats 2A and 2C today (we had flown into the island on 1A and 1C).

After the plane landed, people were asked to go into the boarding area, and we obediently complied. There is an x-ray machine prior to checking in, which prevents people from taking things from the island, such as stones, part of the monuments, etc. The other x-ray machine is located next to the boarding area. Some pics from the boarding area:

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5149.jpg

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5150.jpg

My ride:

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5152.jpg

A nice looking moai:

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5154.jpg

This is the gate, there is a different line for business and elite passengers:

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5156.jpg

This shot attempts to be artistic, with all the flight attendants and the bird behind:

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5157.jpg

This is a plaque talking about the NASA and Chilean collaboration:

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5166.jpg

Boarding was called, and we proceeded to the gate. I have to say that the plane was late into the island, so we were delayed a good hour and a half. However, since the island is so small and everybody knows about everything, we were told about this during checkout at the hotel, so our transfer bus to the airport was delayed accordingly. Everything was very relaxed.

Here are some pics of the boarding process… we were the first ones to board the plane 

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5167.jpg

Captain waiting for us:

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5167.jpg

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5173.jpg

Yours truly:

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5175.jpg

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5177.jpg

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5179.jpg

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5180.jpg

During boarding, we were greeted by a very nice flight attendant, who said she would take care of us during the flight, and offered the customary drinks. LAN offers a nice Pisco Sour aside from the champagne and the water, and that’s what we had:

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5181.jpg

Then, my partner (who is a photographer btw, and a very good one) asked the flight attendant to ask the pilot if it would be ok to take a pic of the cockpit, and the pilot was very happy to let him. The pilot had not heard of airliners.net though… :P

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5182.jpg

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5184.jpg

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5186.jpg

After that, doors were closed and we commenced our taxing into runway 10. There were only a few seats empty today in J, which was very different from our flight into the island, in which we were only 7 people in J. During both flights I took a walk to Y, and would say that load was over 80% as there were very few seats left.
Here is a very nice video of the take off:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5NsfndfEgw

And some more pics of the map, it looked hilarious, as if we were in the middle of nowhere, but in a way I guess we were:

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5190.jpg

Menus were waiting for us in our seats and this is what was offered today:

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5196.jpg

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5197.jpg

I chose the agnolotti and my partner the tuna:

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5191.jpg

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5192.jpg

We were also offered a nice Chilean sauvignon blanc.
http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5193.jpg

The flight was only 4 hours and 10 minutes, so this was the only meal service offered. I have to say my dish was very nice, but my partner´s tuna was rather dry. During the meal the flight attendants made runs offering wine, warm bread and water.

After the meal trays were taken away, the flight attendants offered pillows and duvets, which were warm and comfy. I only took one more pic, as I fell asleep the rest of the way.

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_5201.jpg

Conclusion
LAN is one of my favorite carriers. I don’t believe they have anything lacking when compared to other world class carriers and still fail to see the attitude, robotic demeanor, cold service that other people see. And I fly with them at least once a month. I loved this flight, service was very nice, and flight attendants were very kind and accommodating.

Easter Island is a must. There are too many cool things to do in the island, and we didn’t even do them all… We had no time for the scuba diving, surfing or boat trips. I recommend strongly visiting. Also, plane spotting can be very fun. I leave you guys with some pics we took while spotting:

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_4771.jpg

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_4772.jpg

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_4779.jpg

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_4801.jpg

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_4807.jpg

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_4840.jpg

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_4846.jpg

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http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_4854.jpg

And the Qantas plane that we were lucky to get while there:

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq220/ogre727/Easter%20Island/IMG_4875.jpg

[Edited 2011-05-29 08:29:02]


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User currently offlineROGERBCN From Andorra, joined Sep 2006, 1197 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 14874 times:

Hola Ogre727!

Thanks for this interesting insight in one of the most beautiful islands in the world.

LAN always seems a great airline to me. I am looking forward to flying them when visiting Argentina next summer, they seem to offer a great service, despite being almost a monopoly form South America.

Pictures are great and the food looks very nice, nice idea to have a pisco sour included in the welcome drinks... it adds a nice local touch to the flight.

Salut! and happy to read that things with your partner got better; maybe the magic of the place played its role. All the best!

Roger



"At reise er at leve" H.C. Andersen (Travelling is Living)
User currently offline767747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1911 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 14716 times:
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Very good report! I love seeing reports on Easter Island. Definitely a place I'd like to visit someday.

I love small airports like this, where you can get really close to the runway action! The LAN 767 with winglets looks very striking coming in and departing!

Looks like you had a nice flight in J as well. I'm surprised however that for a 4 hour international flight, LAN would only offer a one tray meal service! Food looks tasty, but not very substantial ...

Thanks for sharing!

Matthew


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 14467 times:

very nice report! remembering me my trip in January but ouf of Lima. In case of my flights the J was nearly totally empty with on both ways only 2 revenue passengers up front and 100% load in ECO.


Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlinepugsley From Australia, joined Jan 2010, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13562 times:

Thanks for sharing. Easter island is on my next "to-do" list. What hotel did you stay at, and would you recommend it to others?

Quoting ogre727 (Thread starter):
The flight was only 4 hours and 10 minutes, so this was the only meal service offered.

This is what I have found on all my LAN flights, the food they offer is nice, but always very simple and basic, and the emphasis is on collecting the service items ASAP. On my recent flight from LIM-IGU, at 3.5hours, we were offered a chocolate and a small ham and cheese croissant, as well as a choice of drink. I had only just finished my croissant and the FA was back ready to collect the rubbish. The only other time I saw her was when I went to the toilet, and when we got off the plane. In their defense, it was a beautiful croissant, but quantity was lacking for a 3.5hour international flight. We got more on the one hour flight LIM-CUZ.

I look forward to exploring the IPC airport next year sometime, your photos look great. Our intention is to take the once a week flight on to PPT for a few days before heading back to Australia, sadly our flights will be in Y, but I plan to stay somewhere really nice to compensate.
Thanks for your report.



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13513 times:

Quoting pugsley (Reply 4):
This is what I have found on all my LAN flights, the food they offer is nice, but always very simple and basic, and the emphasis is on collecting the service items ASAP. On my recent flight from LIM-IGU, at 3.5hours, we were offered a chocolate and a small ham and cheese croissant, as well as a choice of drink. I had only just finished my croissant and the FA was back ready to collect the rubbish. The only other time I saw her was when I went to the toilet, and when we got off the plane. In their defense, it was a beautiful croissant, but quantity was lacking for a 3.5hour international flight. We got more on the one hour flight LIM-CUZ.

couldnt agree more, the service of LP/LA is a joke on the midrange flights within SouthAmerica, even worth on the 1 stop services like LIM-UIO-MDE or LIM-LPB-VVI, on the secon legs they even do not offer water, only focused on Duty Free sales.



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineairport1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13293 times:

Like many others.... Easter Island is on my 'Bucket List."

Thanks for the pictures and I wish you well guys.


User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 579 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13220 times:

Nice report, Ogre727 !

Easter Island is definitely a must ! Can't wait for LAN to resume its LIM-IPC-LIM flights next year !!!

Quoting ogre727 (Thread starter):
Conclusion
LAN is one of my favorite carriers. I don’t believe they have anything lacking when compared to other world class carriers and still fail to see the attitude, robotic demeanor, cold service that other people see. And I fly with them at least once a month. I loved this flight, service was very nice, and flight attendants were very kind and accommodating.

I agree with you, however LAN's catering in Economy class can be a bit disappointing sometimes.

Saludos and keep it up ! 



JESÚS, TE AMO !!
User currently offlineCheco77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12920 times:

Pablo!

Thanks for sharing! It reminded me of my trip to IPC in January, but as Avianca, I was flying from LIM. The service was excelent in Y, I really like LAN as well and don´t understand how can some people not like them.

Good to see you enjoyed the trip!!

Cheers,
Adam



Czech Boeing lover living in Lima
User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1586 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 12820 times:

Thanks for sharing!

Quoting airport1970 (Reply 6):
Like many others.... Easter Island is on my 'Bucket List."

Dito!  



Also, from the cockpit photos, it looks like an F/E station, or am I mistaken?!



Live From Amsterdam!
User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1891 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12293 times:

Now I must go to Easter Island!

Dude, nice report. But you lost your funny touch... this was like reading a IPC Brochure    

Anyways, back to the relevant stuff, I would have loved to see more scenery shots. The place looks really cool!

LAN never ceases to impress me. When I fly AA, nobody ever greets me at the entrance!

As for spotting goes, SUPERB! too bad you couldn't center a single picture hahaha.

Kudos for the trip dude, really neat. Must visit.

797



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8748 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 12115 times:

Quoting ogre727 (Thread starter):

Very nice TR and excellent pictures. I'm glad that your trip was a success and that you enjoyed the island.

Quoting ogre727 (Thread starter):
I, however, don’t get the negative comments I read from some people here in the forum about LAN as they usually provide me with very good service, and this was no exception.

You are not the only one that is perplexed by the negative comments. The service is very good and LAN receives many awards in regards to their services every year!

Quoting ogre727 (Thread starter):
The airport in Easter Island is very weird. It’s very small but it has a very long runway. I am sure you nerds know by now that it was to be used as an alternative landing site for the space shuttles, so NASA and the government of Chile extended the runway to over 10.000 feet.

There are also plans to expand the Mataveri International Airport and to construct a new terminal building: http://www.aeropuertos.gov.cl/Notici...inas/DetalledeNoticias.aspx?item=3

Quoting ogre727 (Thread starter):
Here are some pics of my plane landing. It was one of the Oneworld birds!!!

Very nice pictures! CC-CXJ is one of LAN's newest B-767-316ERs and the a/c is only 1.5 years old!

Quoting ogre727 (Thread starter):
LAN offers a nice Pisco Sour aside from the champagne and the water

I must say, it's quite refreshing that LAN offers this option to Premium passengers on most of their international flights!

Quoting ogre727 (Thread starter):
the pilot was very happy to let him. The pilot had not heard of airliners.net though… :P

LAN's pilots are awesome, I'm surprised that they did not know about this website, glad that they do know of it now. Even LAN Ecuador's pilots frequent airliners.net from time to time.

Quoting ogre727 (Thread starter):
Also, plane spotting can be very fun. I leave you guys with some pics we took while spotting:

These are awesome photographs! Very nice!

Quoting ogre727 (Thread starter):
There are too many cool things to do in the island, and we didn’t even do them all… We had no time for the scuba diving, surfing or boat trips.

Indeed, there are lots of different activities to do on Rapa Nui, and some great museums as well.

Saludos,
SCL767


User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1922 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 12000 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 11):
There are also plans to expand the Mataveri International Airport and to construct a new terminal building: http://www.aeropuertos.gov.cl/Notici...tem=3

I searched the internet but couldn't find anything else. Do you have any other info or photos of their expansion plans? I was in Easter Island in Dec 2010 and didn't take a photo of the huge display in the airport terminal.



My posts/replies are strictly my opinion and not that of any company, organization, or Southwest Airlines.
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8748 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11947 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 12):
Do you have any other info or photos of their expansion plans?

Yes, here are some diagrams depicting what the entire airport will look like after the expansion plan is finished:



The enlarged apron:



Saludos,
SCL767


User currently offlineAeroSafari From Turks and Caicos Islands, joined Nov 2010, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11879 times:

Loved this report. I can't wait to see Easter Island.


Just remember, the sweet is never as sweet without the sour
User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1922 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11272 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 13):
Yes, here are some diagrams depicting what the entire airport will look like after the expansion plan is finished:

The photos don't show up here and I'm dying to see them!



My posts/replies are strictly my opinion and not that of any company, organization, or Southwest Airlines.
User currently offlineAJO From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11058 times:

Quoting 767747 (Reply 2):
I'm surprised however that for a 4 hour international flight, LAN would only offer a one tray meal service!

IPC-SCL is a domestic flight.



Ryanair: never again!
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8748 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10843 times:

Quoting 767747 (Reply 2):
I'm surprised however that for a 4 hour international flight, LAN would only offer a one tray meal service! Food looks tasty, but not very substantial ...

As previously stated, this flight is a domestic flight. On the IPC-PPT sector, a full meal service and light snack, (before landing) are offered, along with amenity kits, a duty free service, down comforters, etc. This also applies to the LIM-IPC route, whereby pax are offered a full dinner service and a light breakfast before landing, etc.


User currently offlineogre727 From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 718 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10601 times:

Guys,

Thank you very much for your comments. I really appreciate all of them.

Quoting 797 (Reply 10):
Dude, nice report. But you lost your funny touch... this was like reading a IPC Brochure

Its not gone... this one needed to be solemn and serious... funny will come back, I hope.

Quoting pugsley (Reply 4):
Thanks for sharing. Easter island is on my next "to-do" list. What hotel did you stay at, and would you recommend it to others?

My hotel was not bad... I found the staff to be not too nice, though. Like the day we checked in they had messed up the reservation and they sent us to another hotel for one night. They gave us a free car for the inconvenience, but no apology was offered... more like "dont worry, you will have a place to stay". Almost like "why are you annoyed?"

I dont actually recommend it.



Sigh
User currently offlineTR763 From Brazil, joined Mar 2001, 774 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10531 times:

Oh, La Isla de Pascua!!
I have a big wish to visit this place, as many others here already said! But that's also because in 2008, I visited a museum about the Island in Viña del Mar, which I found pretty interesting (most of my friends found it boring though...)
Your TR is really great and I enjoyed every single line and picture of it.
Very nice that the captain allowed your partner to photograph the cockpit before departure!

Thanks for sharing!



Transbrasil
User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5073 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9671 times:

Quoting ogre727 (Thread starter):

To make a long story short, our week in Easter Island was a total success, he is in fact coming back to Argentina next week and we had an amazing time.

= AAW  . More important than this TR  .

Thanks a lot for sharing this with us, and to hear on what JCL would look like on this sector. I have done it in Y. I am impressed by the Pisco welcome drink ... though underwhelmed by the meal options for both your partner and you.

Thanks for sharing.

Saludos,
A.

PS: This is one of those times I am OK with the airport remaining small. The mystery of IPC is it being far away and special - the mainland Chileans have done enough damage to native culture and the last thing I'd want is that to change.

PS2: I miss BA!



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineSeaMeFly From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9541 times:

Like always, great trip report! thanks ! and glad to hear things worked out between you and your partner...

User currently offlineaces727 From Colombia, joined Oct 2005, 173 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8803 times:

Pabloo!

Very Nice Report!!

I agree with you, LAN is one of the very best around.

Basic airport, but quite unique!!! Just plain Wood/Brick finish!!!

(En que parada estas? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Toma Concienciaaa)

Quoting 797 (Reply 10):
As for spotting goes, SUPERB! too bad you couldn't center a single picture hahaha.

jejejeje Kike is kinda decent out here in the forum 

Chau!


User currently offlinefidelidade From Brazil, joined Dec 2012, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5768 times:

LAN to me is like Chile. Uninspiring. You write good reports. Keep it up.

User currently offlineReffado From Brazil, joined Feb 2012, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4593 times:

Quoting fidelidade (Reply 23):

Not as uninspiring as TAM, truth be told. Or GOL. Or any of our airlines, truth be told. Unless we count RG, but they're long gone...


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