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Lowcost Vs Legacy Around The Mediterranean  
User currently offlineLuxair747SP From Germany, joined May 2010, 510 posts, RR: 17
Posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6661 times:

Lowcost vs legacy around the Mediterranean


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Introduction:

It all began on a rainy day three weeks ago, when i was bored and browsed through some flight. Suddenly I found a Ryanair fare inclusive priority boarding for only 10€ to BGY, so I started to look for some intresting options from BGY. Firstly I was interested in a Blueair flight to Bucharest, but from there my onwards options were too limited to squeeze everything in one day. So in the end I settled down for the AZ flight to FCO, which is operated by AZ Express and their Embraer 170. It cost some 40€, which is still not too bad for an hour flight.
In FCO, I had a lot of options, but as I wanted to arrive again later that day in HHN, I had to find a flight to a destination, where FR also flies too. So I found a Vueling flight to AGP, which is also a new destination for me, so I booked that for 50€, for a 2h20 flight not too bad. From AGP I booked to 20.55 flight to HHN for a reasonable 28€.
So lets now come to the day of travel.

The journey:

The FR flight to BGY in the morning departes at 6.35 in HHN, so that means for me to get up at three and drive about 90mins to the airport. After a comfortable drive on the autobahn I arrived at HHN at about 5.15 Am.


The queue at the security was luckily not too long and so I was airside in a rush.



The boarding for the flight started at about 6 Am and as I had a priority boarding pass I was allowed to walk to the plane second.
So I made my way across the apron to my plane.


The cargo apron:



The flight:

HHNBGY
14.06.2011
6.35-7.50 ( scheduled )
6.33-7.22 ( actual )
Load: ~ 80%
Reg: EI-DCY
Seat:16F (exitrow)

Boarding was very fast and efficent this morning and luckily only one other passenger settled down in my exit row so I had a nice empty seat next to me, which is always good. I can't understand many passengers, as they book priority and then just sit down in one of the normal rows in the front, but well let them do it.
The boarding was soon finished, and we made our way to the runway which took about 5 mins with no other plane before us.







After the liftoff we made our way into the foggy german sky, but as there is always good weather above the clouds, we were soon with some sun, which always gives me some power after a night with only a little sleep. The flight itself was uneventful, just a normal FR flight with all the procedures as selling scratchcards or overprices snacks.

Knee shot:

Inflight:



The alps:




After about 40 mins in the air we already started our decent into BGY, which is quite an interesting one as the fly some steep curves to get through the alps to the airport.












At 7.22 we touched down on the runway and some 5mins afterwards we parked at a stand.


During deplaning:



Transit in BGY:

A funny fact about BGY is that they have 5 finger gates, but none of them were used, all the LCC planes parked on the apron and did bussing their passengers to the planes. Is bussing really cheaper ?




As I had plenty of time in BGY, my first stop was a little coffee bar, where I hade an italian coffee with milk and some pastry, which together cost only 2,50€, a price you wouldn't find on a german airport.


After that, I walked a bit around, also to a shopping centre which is located right next to the airport.

An reminder of HLX:


Some 90 minutes prior to the scheduled take-off time, I headed to security, where the queue was quite long, but I was through within some 10 min. The airside area in BGY impressed me, because the landside area is dark and not that modern, but the airside was all new, with nice bright colours and a lot of glass, it reminded me of LUX, as they used nearly the same wood panneling.



Airside, I sat down in a corner, close to my gate, where I had a nice view of the apron and runway.
There were some interesting airlines in this morning, such as Belle Air from Tirana, and two BlueAir flights, one of them operated by Aurela.







Aegean to Rhodos:

Who does this bird belong to? :

Aurela taking off:

DHL 757:

Carpatair:




But the leader in BGY is definately FR.
Soon my bird arrived from FCO and boarding started again about 15mins after landing.



Luckily the E170 parked far away on the apron, so we used a bus to get there, always appreciated.

Next to us parked an all white MD80, I have no idea who operated this bird.

So now it was time to board.





The flight:

BGYFCO
14.06.2011
11.10 – 12.20 ( scheduled )
11:31 – 12.19 ( actual )
Load: ~ 85%
Reg: EI-DFL
Seat: 19A

Boarding was soon finished, and interestingly there were many AZ crews on this flight as passengers, heading to FCO. I picked a seat in the back, 19A, because the chances there are way higher to get a empty seat next to you and I was right. After a short taxi to the runway we took off.



The cockpit door was opened until we reached cruising altitude, never seen that before.
Soon the inflight service started, and I opted for a coke and some coconut cookies, which tasted nice.







Later into the flight, the guy sitting in 19F started to talk to me, and we found out that we're both members of A.net, he is Tobbry and also doing a daytrip to Italy. What a nice surprise. He would have meet Markus ( or Flieger67 ) in MMX this day, but he already booked this trip.
Soon the decent into FCO started and after a flighttime of 50min, we touched down in sunny Rome.





After a quick taxi we arrived at Terminal 1 in Fiumicino.



Transit in FCO:



Tobbry and me spent the transit together and headed to a spot, not too far from both of departure gates, he was taking an Ezy flight to MXP. There we settled down and had a nice talk about aviation and previous and upcoming trips. As the connection time of mine was only about 90 minutes, we far too soon had to say goodbye, but I'm sure we will meet on some other trip again.
When I arrived at the gate for my VY flight to AGP, there were already many many people and the area was packed, mostly with students, they must have had an excursion to Rome.
The boarding started about 10 minutes late, but no problem with that as I'm not in a hurry.


The flight:

FCOAGP
14.06.2011
14.10-16.50 ( scheduled )
14.33-16.48 ( actual )
Load: ~ 90%
Reg: EC-KDT
Seat: 29A

While entering the plane I was hit by a hot air wave, for some reason the air conditioning was not turned on until we start taxiing. Many passengers started complaining about that, but nobody really had success.
TAP next to us:






Even the flight was so full, I again got an empty seat next to me which was very good as the legroom here is really tight. The cockpit did a welcome speech, but the english one had such a strong spanish accent, I hardly unterstood anything but well, I dont really neeed it.
While taxiing to the runway for departure, we had to let a E195 of Air Dolomiti to overtake us, but then it was our turn, and we were in the air, heading to Spain.

The route was mainly over the Mediterranean sea and then over the mainland of spain, going into AGP from the north.






Spanish mainland:

Anyone knows which airport this is? :

More Spain:





Inflight:



Tight leg room:







The flight was quite uneventful, but the views of islands in the sea was enjoying and made the time fly by very fast. About 15 minutes prior to landing, the decent started and after a flying time of 2h15 we touched down in sunny AGP and soon afterwards we were on stand.






Transit in AGP:
Firstly I wanted to head to the downtown of Malaga, but as there were massive delays in the trainsystem that day, I just stayed at the airport, which is a nice one with a lot of seating possibilities and space.
I had some coffee and just enjoyed watching planes. The most interesting service in AGP must be the helicopter shuttle to Ceuta, a spanish city within the african continent.
AGP is mainly used by holiday airlines and LCC such as FR and Ezy.
Another Vueling bird:

BA A319 to LGW in the background:

AB:

Terminal impressions:




Deserted arrival and baggage claim:


Soon enough my flight started boarding, and as I had again a priority boarding pass, I just skipped the queue and boarded the FR bird to HHN.

The flight:
14.06.2011
20.55-23.50 ( scheduled )
21.09-23.55( actual )
Load: ~ 99% only 2 seats free
Reg: EI-DPY
Seat: 16F (exitrow)

For such a long flight on FR, I hurried and picked an exitrow seat, again 16F.


The fligh turned out to be very full, and it seemed as everyone on boarded has a handluggage suitcase, and soon enought the crew got problems to store them. In the end all overhead lockers were full, and there were still about 10 cases left, so they put them in a corner in the front galley.
The crew on this flight was the nicest, I had so far on FR, they talked personnaly to many passengers and apologized for the baggage problem. The cockpit crew up front did a very detailed welcome speech and anounced the route very good: AGPBCNMRSSXBSCNHHN .
AB next to us:

While taxiing to the runway I spotted a AY 757, but the light was so poor I couldnt get it into a picture.



The flight itself was again a normal FR one, with all the things they sell onboard. I just turned on my iPod and relaxed until the landing in HHN after about 2h45 of flight time.

After landing I made my way through HHN to the carpark and after another 90min drive I was at home.

Conclusion:
The winner of the day was the AZ flight, the seats on the E-Jets are comfortable and the service was fine for the length of flight. Special thanks again to Tobias, with who I had a nice conversation.
The Vueling flight was exactly as I expected it, tight seatpitch and BoB, but for the price of 50€ for such a long sector, one can't complain.
The two FR sectors were fine, they brought me from A to B ontime and that is all I expect from them .

Upcoming next week: LUXMADFRA on a small and a big bird.

I hope you enjoyed reading it. Comments are always very appreciated.
Thank you a lot
Cheers
Johannes

11 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6600 times:

Hi Johannes,

you took a nice day trip, four sectors on one day is not bad!

Quoting Luxair747SP (Thread starter):
As I had plenty of time in BGY, my first stop was a little coffee bar, where I hade an italian coffee with milk and some pastry, which together cost only 2,50€, a price you wouldn't find on a german airport.

That's right. At some places you don't even get a regular coffee for 2,50 Euro.

Quoting Luxair747SP (Thread starter):
Who does this bird belong to? :

That could be YR-HBE, operated by Medallion Air.

Quoting Luxair747SP (Thread starter):
Upcoming next week: LUXMADFRA on a small and a big bird.

Very good. Hopefully the volcano in Chile will soon shut up!


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineinitious From Singapore, joined Dec 2008, 1066 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6377 times:

Hey Johannes!

Been awaiting your trip report on this amazing trip of yours and as expected it is a masterpiece. The Italian coffee and croissant looks interesting and with that cheap price it's certainly a good way to pass time in an airport. Glad to see you got 16F x 2 on FR and the legroom looks amazing! Wonderful views of the alps too, I shall fly over the alps should I get the chance to visit Europe next time.  

Regards,
Daniel



One way I will fly around the world!
User currently offlineLuxair747SP From Germany, joined May 2010, 510 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6361 times:

Hi PH

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
you took a nice day trip, four sectors on one day is not bad!

Thanks, yeah four sectors is fun in one day.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
That could be YR-HBE, operated by Medallion Air.

Thank you  
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
Very good. Hopefully the volcano in Chile will soon shut up!

I hope that too, but it operated quite normal the last week
Hi Daniel
Quoting initious (Reply 2):

Thank you very much

Quoting initious (Reply 2):
I shall fly over the alps should I get the chance to visit Europe next time.

Sure, we can do that, FR is cheap haha


User currently offlinetobbry From Sweden, joined May 2008, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5810 times:

Great report! The first time I'm in a trip report  . My EZY flight went smooth and the LH flight back to ARN was even smoother.

See you soon again on a random flight  


User currently offlineLazialeMKD From French Polynesia, joined Oct 2009, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5641 times:

Hello there -
Great report and lots of pics.
That plane you asked for belongs to Albanian Airlines:

Thanks for sharing


User currently offlineakhmad From Netherlands, joined Sep 2005, 2486 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4900 times:

Wow Johannes,

What an exciting itinerary you put together with FR, AZ and VY. Well done!

Quoting Luxair747SP (Thread starter):
It all began on a rainy day three weeks ago, when i was bored and browsed through some flight. Suddenly I found a Ryanair fare inclusive priority boarding for only 10€ to BGY,

How did you pay the ticket? I have to ask this question because FR has been sentenced by Dutch Higher Court for a hidden credit card fee of € 50.

Quoting Luxair747SP (Thread starter):
I can't understand many passengers, as they book priority and then just sit down in one of the normal rows in the front, but well let them do it.

You do not have to understand. Just keep the people acting that away, I would say.

Quoting Luxair747SP (Thread starter):
Inflight:

What a coincidence that FR magazine portrays BGY.

Quoting Luxair747SP (Thread starter):
Is bussing really cheaper ?

All I know is that it is more exciting for people like us, A.netters. 


Quoting Luxair747SP (Thread starter):
which together cost only 2,50€, a price you wouldn't find on a german airport.

It reminds me of a jug of beer I ordered at BCN last year. € 2.75!

Quoting Luxair747SP (Thread starter):
Aurela.

Aurela is supposed to be the first Lithuanian airline being awarded Airworthiness Management Organization Approval Certificate.

Quoting Luxair747SP (Thread starter):
because the chances there are way higher to get a empty seat next to you and I was right.

Were you not inspired by someone?   


Quoting Luxair747SP (Thread starter):
Later into the flight, the guy sitting in 19F started to talk to me, and we found out that we're both members of A.net, he is Tobbry and also doing a daytrip to Italy. What a nice surprise. He would have meet Markus ( or Flieger67 ) in MMX this day, but he already booked this trip.

Pity for Markus. But luckily, all of us will come together next month!  


Quoting Luxair747SP (Thread starter):
I again got an empty seat next to me which was very good as the legroom here is really tight.

It is worth paying more for extra legroom on board of VY.

Quoting Luxair747SP (Thread starter):
Inflight:

Nice to know you did not get any trouble for taking picture on board of VY. My experience last year was sadly the opposite.

Quoting Luxair747SP (Thread starter):
The crew on this flight was the nicest, I had so far on FR, they talked personnaly to many passengers and apologized for the baggage problem. The cockpit crew up front did a very detailed welcome speech and anounced the route very good: AGPBCNMRSSXBSCNHHN .

That is what I call A.net minded service!   

Thanks for sharing and looking forward to your next trip.

Cheers,
Suryo

[Edited 2011-06-17 11:23:34]


Friends forever
User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From UK - England, joined Sep 2003, 5173 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4608 times:

Hi Johannes,

really good to follow you re story while siiting in the LH SEN lounge MUC waiting for the flight to Lvov.

Its a small world, isnt it, I hope Tobias find a way to the meeting at FRA next month.

Good pictures and it seems that is perfectly the best to make out of a bad weather day in Germany.

Greetings,
Markus(FLIEGER67)



Next: London City connections!.
User currently offlineluxair747SP From Germany, joined May 2010, 510 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4113 times:

Hi Tobias

Quoting tobbry (Reply 4):
Great report! The first time I'm in a trip report

Thank you  
Quoting tobbry (Reply 4):
My EZY flight went smooth and the LH flight back to ARN was even smoother.

Thats good to know.

Hi Laziale

Quoting LazialeMKD (Reply 5):
Great report and lots of pics.

Thanks 
Quoting LazialeMKD (Reply 5):
That plane you asked for belongs to Albanian Airlines:

Thank you for the information, for sure an interesting ride that should be

Hi Suryo,
thanks for your kind words 
Quoting akhmad (Reply 6):
What an exciting itinerary you put together with FR, AZ and VY. Well done!

Thank you a lot

Quoting akhmad (Reply 6):
How did you pay the ticket? I have to ask this question because FR has been sentenced by Dutch Higher Court for a hidden credit card fee of € 50.

I paid via credit card, and the fee was about 2€ so totally fine for me

Quoting akhmad (Reply 6):
What a coincidence that FR magazine portrays BGY.

Yes, same thought here

Quoting akhmad (Reply 6):
Aurela is supposed to be the first Lithuanian airline being awarded Airworthiness Management Organization Approval Certificate.

Thanks for that piece of information, did not know that.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 6):
Thanks for sharing and looking forward to your next trip.

Thanks too for you feedback, next trip will come this week

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 7):
really good to follow you re story while siiting in the LH SEN lounge MUC waiting for the flight to Lvov.

Hi Markus, thanks. Hope you had a good time with LH

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 7):
ts a small world, isnt it, I hope Tobias find a way to the meeting at FRA next month.

Yeah world is really small, and I hope he will make it  
Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 7):
Good pictures and it seems that is perfectly the best to make out of a bad weather day in Germany.

Thanks again


User currently offlineFlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1706 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3879 times:

Hi Johannes,

That's a very nice daytrip - you certainly covered quite a lot of miles with a decent selection of airlines and a good fare as well.

Quoting Luxair747SP (Thread starter):
A funny fact about BGY is that they have 5 finger gates, but none of them were used, all the LCC planes parked on the apron and did bussing their passengers to the planes. Is bussing really cheaper ?

Well, it is usually much faster at least since both the front and back doors can be used, I'm pretty sure that's the main reason.

Quoting Luxair747SP (Thread starter):
As I had plenty of time in BGY, my first stop was a little coffee bar, where I hade an italian coffee with milk and some pastry, which together cost only 2,50€, a price you wouldn't find on a german airport.

Try a Finnish airport one day...

Quoting Luxair747SP (Thread starter):
Aegean to Rhodos:

Why is it in Bulgarian register?!

Quoting Luxair747SP (Thread starter):
Who does this bird belong to? :

I would say Medallion Air as well.

Quoting Luxair747SP (Thread starter):
Later into the flight, the guy sitting in 19F started to talk to me, and we found out that we're both members of A.net, he is Tobbry and also doing a daytrip to Italy. What a nice surprise. He would have meet Markus ( or Flieger67 ) in MMX this day, but he already booked this trip.

Well, that's a very nice coincidence! Imagine that!

Quoting Luxair747SP (Thread starter):
Tobbry and me spent the transit together and headed to a spot, not too far from both of departure gates, he was taking an Ezy flight to MXP.

You didn't get any crap from security, did you? Security in many Italian airports, including Fiumicino are quite notorious for not having much tolerance nor understanding for spotting.

Quoting Luxair747SP (Thread starter):
Inflight:

Are you sure - looks quite empty for that?  
Quoting Luxair747SP (Thread starter):
Firstly I wanted to head to the downtown of Malaga, but as there were massive delays in the trainsystem that day, I just stayed at the airport, which is a nice one with a lot of seating possibilities and space.

Hmm, wonder if they had some more demonstrators blocking the trains that day as well...


User currently offlineLuftfahrer From Germany, joined Mar 2009, 1034 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3596 times:

Hi Johannes,

great report of your day trip! It looks like everything worked out pretty well on this triangular routing.  
Quoting Luxair747SP (Thread starter):
I can't understand many passengers, as they book priority and then just sit down in one of the normal rows in the front

Perhaps they don't know about the perks of the exit row seats?

Quoting Luxair747SP (Thread starter):
all the LCC planes parked on the apron and did bussing their passengers to the planes.

I prefer walking/bussing to/from the aircraft to boarding through jetways. Reminds me of an experience in Italy as well: The aircraft blocked off about 30 meters away from the terminal, yet they sent a bus. Most passengers took it with a laugh.

Quoting Luxair747SP (Thread starter):
italian coffee with milk and some pastry, which together cost only 2,50€, a price you wouldn't find on a german airport.

Never! I have often heard that coffee is pretty cheap in Italy.

Quoting Luxair747SP (Thread starter):
An reminder of HLX

It's been a while since their demise...

Quoting Luxair747SP (Thread starter):
The cockpit door was opened until we reached cruising altitude, never seen that before.

I have heard that was pretty common pre-9/11. Amazing it still happens. I sure would have picked an aisle seat and bent over into the aisle to see what was going on up front. 

Thanks for sharing!

Best regards,
Marius



'He resembled a pilot, which to a seaman is trustworthiness personified.' Joseph Conrad
User currently offlineSultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1746 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3504 times:
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Hi Johannes,

Nice story on your trip down south. Lovely pics of the Alps in bright sunshine, that's always a bonus!
A nice & cheap day of flying, that's the way to go   

Quoting Luxair747SP (Thread starter):
There were some interesting airlines in this morning, such as Belle Air from Tirana, and two BlueAir flights, one of them operated by Aurela.

Nice lineup!

Quoting Luxair747SP (Thread starter):
The cockpit door was opened until we reached cruising altitude, never seen that before.

Any idea why it was?

Bye,
(Sulta)Nils



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