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Berlin With BA Club Europe: LHR-TXL-LHR  
User currently offlineswi From UK - England, joined Dec 2010, 30 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 21177 times:


Summer is here, and I jumped at the opportunity to go on a short city break, and after some careful planning, I decided to go to Berlin which I haven’t been to for many years. My rather demanding travel partner requested a direct flight, and the cheapest ticket came up at £450 with BA, which was just around £30 more than LX. This seems to be quite a good fare seeing as I was booking just one week in advance during peak season, so I booked the flights immediately, leaving my itinerary as follows:

28.07.2011 BA 982 LHR-TXL 08:50 – 11:35

31.07.2011 BA 991 TXL-LHR 11:05 – 12:05

My previous experiences with BA have overall been poor on short haul sectors, mostly because of poor service, delays and strikes – all of which have contributed to the rather negative connotations I associate with this airline. I was filled with hope that my previous experiences were unusual in everyday business. This trip will also let me try out T5 at Heathrow for the first time.

Booking was simple through ba.com, which gets the job done quickly and easily – in spite of the constant prompts to purchase additional services including seat selection. BA charge £20 for seat selection prior to check in, even for Club Europe passengers, a service which should be free for premium classes. Interestingly, of my £450 ticket, over £100 went towards taxes and charges – something that continues to astonish me.

Welcome to my fourth trip report.

LHR and prior:

Naturally, with no opportunity to select my seat prior to check-in without paying, I checked in online as soon as it opened, twenty-four hours prior to departure. The process is very accessible and can be completed, again, quickly and easily. Boarding passes were in hand well within five minutes.

My taxi showed up at around 5:50 the morning of the flight, and the trip to LHR at this time of day is very fast. The entry into Terminal five was simple, and club world and First class check in desks are located to the right of the check-in hall, in a separate area. We proceeded to Club bag drop and were processed quickly by a friendly agent, who informed us that there was no delay as of yet and asked the standard security questions. The hall really is very spacious, and a little overwhelming at first when you take in the roof line and electronic billboards. Overall, arriving at the terminal was a very pleasant experience.

Fast track immigration and security are conveniently located to the left of the Club World check in desks and are discretely signposted. The queue was quite long for fast track, but we were handled promptly and were through security in a few minutes.

The lounge located to the right of security is dedicated solely to First class passengers, and we were directed to the other ‘Galleries’ lounge, to which we proceeded after some shopping in the main area. Compared to many airports the spaciousness of this terminal is not at all revolutionary but what is good is the efficient use of space. There are a great many stores of all variety and these cater for all budgets, and most of the major brands and designers can be found here. Although I love his restaurants, I did not try the Gordon Ramsay restaurant today, but from what I have heard it is a bit of a gimmick.

The other Galleries lounge area is very large and the Club World lounge is located on the top floor, and looks very functional. The lounge clearly caters for very many passengers, as the reception area looks like a row of immigration counters, and there are several seating areas, each of which have different atmospheres. The lounge wasn’t particularly busy when I arrived but the pace did pick up after a while, leading to very little privacy. I also noticed a large amount of dirt around the lounge – especially on the surfaces. This is surprising considering how early in the day it was.

The Lounge:



Surprisingly, there was no full English breakfast buffet as expected, but instead a buffet of cold cured meets, cheeses, etc. were on offer. There were also bacon sandwiches available and a vegetarian option of mushrooms instead of bacon as well. The beverage selection was outstanding with a massive range of alcoholic and non-alcoholic beverages which should more than cater for everyone’s tastes. There is also a large variety of international newspapers, and very fast free WiFi connectivity (the password is available from the departure boards).

We were both very comfortable, and the lounge offers unique views of runway 09R, from which aircraft were departing. The windows are in fact parallel to the runway, which begins at the midpoint of the windows. The boarding passes I had printed at home stated that boarding would close at 08:30, so we left the lounge just after eight, towards gate 9A, from which our aircraft would board.

After some more impulse purchases, we arrived at the gate at 08:15, but the screens still displayed ‘please wait’. Boarding did not begin until twenty-past, after which we boarded through the clearly marked priority lane. To board the aircraft, passengers must descend an escalator and then we passed through a very steeply slanted aerobridge with little friction, which gave me and my leather-soled shoes a hard time. We were onboard and took our seats in the rear of the Club Europe cabin in no time.

Neighboring aircraft:

28th July 2011

British Airways BA982
Departure: 08:50 (08:57)
Arrival: 11:35 (11:35)
Scheduled Duration: 1:45
Equipment: A319
Cabin: Business (65% full)

What became immediately obvious is the prominent signs of wear and tear on the seats, and this aircraft really was showing it’s age, as the leather was torn in places, the armrests and seat backs were flimsy and the seat pockets were falling apart. There were also no welcome drinks or towels offered, which really did not impress.

Seats and Legroom:


Boarding was completed quickly and only thirteen of the twenty seats of this cabin were occupied, meaning I changed to the seat in front, which offered noticeably greater legroom as well as less visible damage to the seats. In addition, the seats on the right side of the aircraft have three, full sized seats, which meant more room between passengers. Once the door was closed and push back completed, the taxi to runway 09R took little over a minute and we were on our way very quickly.

In Flight:

After departure, announcements were made by the ISM (who served the J class cabin) about the breakfast service, which commenced immediately. I haven’t seen a Business class cabin of this size served by only one FA before, but service was very efficient and he was at all times courteous and professional. However, meal distribution did tend to be slower than usual because he was working on his own. The meal trays were distributed first, followed by juices, then tea or coffee, and then water was brought around. I the midst of this two bread/pastry runs were completed and trays were collected all within one hour. This must be overwhelming but from a service point of view I cannot fault the speed and efficiency with which tasks were carried out. The meal was standard for a regional J class flight of this length in Europe, so nothing really to report there.


I couldn’t help the feeling that everything around me was created with a ‘that will do’ attitude, whether it be the obvious discrepancy of seat width, or the shoddy maintenance, the old and damaged magazines in the seat pocket, or even the allocation of just one FA to the Business class cabin – especially surprising when I hear of the substantial increase in premium traffic across the BA European routes.

In Flight:




More announcements were made, and the duty free was brought around. After this we descended into a cloudy Berlin where we were on the ground on time with no turbulence during descent. I have never previously experienced the arrivals system in place at TXL before. When you disembark the aircraft and exit the aerobridge, passengers are immediately faced with immigration counters, followed by a baggage reclaim belt in the small hall behind the counters. One then passes through customs and is quickly on their way and out of the terminal within minutes. The one downside is that a crowd of passengers are left waiting for ten minutes in that small hall until the baggage arrives, and to be honest I would rather be walking through a terminal than waiting around for that time.

Overall a good flight, mainly due to the very good service and the use of terminal five, which appears to have improved customer experience substantially. This is also one of the few times that the priority label on by baggage has actually led to mine being one of the first bags on the belt. I don’t even get this at HKG. Taxis are conveniently located, and even better - they are mostly E-Class Mercedes-Benz sedans. The ride to our hotel in central Berlin took around fifteen minutes and cost us under twenty euros.

Our stay in Berlin was pleasant despite continuing rain, but it was soon time to leave. We checked-out of the hotel at 06:00 and proceeded to Tegel airport which, again, is a quick taxi ride and does not involve any autobahn travel. The taxi driver asked our destination and departure time, and stopped on the airport access road, where there is a large board displaying all departure information by terminal. Our flight was scheduled to leave from gate A04, so we were driven to the A terminal, which is in a circular shape and is to where we arrived three days earlier. This building really does look like an old military airbase from the outside, and not like a modern airport terminal. The taxi dropped us off near gate A06, from where we proceeded to A04.

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As previously stated, this style of airport is very new to us, so we did not know what to expect. The check in area near A04 was open, but not for BA flights. After walking for well over ten minutes, we found the British Airways Terraces lounge which is accessible by stairs or lift and is located one floor above the main area. The lounge only had one other passenger, and we were admitted by a very warm and friendly agent, who also printed out boarding passes and informed us that this aircraft has three rows in the J cabin, with six passengers.

Airport Interior:

The lounge itself is like something from the 90s, with worn, old style furniture and a very modest selection of food and beverage. There were no hot dishes, and the only cooked food available were hard boiled eggs, kept in ice. The lounge also only offers very restricted airside views and vast views of the airport bus stop. Having said that, I was impressed that BA had their own lounge at TXL, even if the internet did not work.



Restricted Air Side Views:


Time flew by and when the time got to 10:15 we left the lounge and headed for the departure gate – still A04 because we still had to check in and go through security. The layout of this airport really did fascinate me, as I have never experienced anything like it before, and I can’t figure out if the system works for long haul flights, or even flights to the USA. When we got to the check-in desks, the queues for all classes were empty, but there was an orderly line of people curving around the check-in area waiting to go through security. One thing that became apparent was that there was much need for more space due to the slow pace at which everything moved.

Once checked in we were informed that there was no fast track security, and so we joined the back of the queue that had gotten even longer now. After fifteen minutes it was my turn to go through (people were let through one by one). There was only one immigration counter followed by one x-ray machine and metal detector, which explains why the wait was so long. After this was a further wait in a waiting room that followed the security area. Boarding was called, and we proceeded to queue again to enter the aerobridge (one queue, with no priority lane).

31th July 2011

British Airways BA991
Departure: 11:05 (11:00)
Arrival: 12:05 (11:35)
Scheduled Duration: 2:00
Equipment: A319
Cabin: Business (75% full)

Once onboard, we were greeted by a friendly FA and took our seats at the rear of the three row cabin. Already, I noticed slightly more legroom to the previous A319 as well as significantly less wear and tear throughout the cabin interior. Boarding took a while and the Y cabin was almost completely full. Again, no beverages prior to takeoff. There was a BD flight scheduled five minutes before us and leaving from gate A05, but we were pushed back before them, blocking their path. We were soon on the move towards the runway and took off ahead of schedule.

In Flight:




IFE screens dropped down, and displayed the airshow throughout the flight. A cold, ‘extended breakfast’ was served prior to takeoff, and consisted of ham, cheese, relishes and grapes, all on the same plate with salad. The quality of the food and effort was frankly poor, even for a flight of this length. Service, like the previous flight was flawless, and the FA serving J class was very professional and attentive.



After the meal, there was vey little to do except stare out of the window, and in doing this I noticed an EK 773 pass us at the same altitude, travelling in the opposite direction. This was closely followed by a BD A320, with both aircraft passing two fast for me to take a photograph. I had noticed that throughout the flight we were nearing LHR very fast, and unsurprisingly the Captain announced that we were making excellent progress through to London, but we were told that we would have to wait to land and find a gate. This was then followed by another announcement that stated that LHR had changed their mind, and we would be landing within ten minutes. We began descent and soon passed the mouth of the Thames, following it until it reached London. There was a right turn at King’s Cross station, and another as we passed the Houses of Parliament. We saw most of the sights in London, and continued to descend and land into LHR in a straight line.

Wind Farms on Descent:





Taxi to Terminal 5A was quick and we were given a gate immediately. Arriving into Terminal 5 is no more enjoyable that any of the other terminals. After travelling to the immigration halls, fast track was closed – but just until we had reached the middle of the other queue. There is a further walk to the baggage reclaim, which was followed by a long wait for my bag which didn’t arrive until most of the other bags had.

Landing and Taxi:





Overall, I feel disappointed with my experience with BA and I’m left with the feeling that I received poor value for money. The cabins are tired, legroom and seat width were inconsistent, and meals demonstrate a lack of enthusiasm from the airline. The reason I weight this so heavily is because on a flight of this length there is very little else to rate, which makes me wonder why BA is so popular with frequent business travellers in Europe. Having said that, I am very happy with the overall Terminal 5 experience and the excellent onboard service from the FAs.

I can’t think of much more to say, so I shall end this TR there. As always, comments and suggestions are welcome, and thank you for reading.

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User currently offlineBurj From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 903 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 20785 times:

Cool trip report!

It is interesting to see the meals served because most domestic U.S. first class flights of that short duration have no meals or maybe a cold meal, a bowl of cereal or a cold chicken wrap or something....

I agree about TXL, it does look almost like an old high school where they converted the large classroom into gates where instead of doors they have individual single security checks...

User currently offlineMSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2474 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 20293 times:

Nice trip report, like the diversity of traffic in LHR you managed to spot.

Next trip report: Well worn A330s and Hassle free MUC transfer
User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1421 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 19997 times:

Great pics and report.

Just to clear a few things up re: Club Europe.

On your particular flights, regardless of which row you were in (in club), the seat pitch is exactly the same.

Boarding drinks and hot towels before take-off are not standard on CE, so no matter where you fly in Europe with BA, you will never recieve a pre take off drink. The vast majority of crew on the BA european routes would gladly get you a juice/water prior to take off if you ask them, but bare in mind, this is not a standard. As far as I know, other European carriers such as KLM, Air France, Lufthansa and IBERIA do not offer pre take-off drinks either.

Crewing numbers are allocated according to the booked load, and the A319 regularly goes out with 3 crew, sometimes 4. The on-board manager will allocate the crew where they are needed most. If Euro Traveller is full, and there is, for example, fewer than around 15 in Club Europe, on a short flight, the crew are of more use 'down the back'. Most on-board managers are perfectly capable of serving alone in Club Europe, and from your report, they proved this.

The 'extended breakfast' is an effort to provide something along the lines of a 'brunch' service. It is usually too late for a hot breakfast and too early for a full lunch.

One thing I agree on however, is the condition of the Highlife and Highlife Shop brochures, this is not always up to the standard that it should be.

To summarise, in very difficult operating conditions, for a short haul business class service, BA still manages more than many, especially when compared with airlines in the states, and even compared to many of the European national carriers.

Kind Regards


User currently offlineswi From UK - England, joined Dec 2010, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 19455 times:

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 3):
As far as I know, other European carriers such as KLM, Air France, Lufthansa and IBERIA do not offer pre take-off drinks either.

This is what I meant by the following:

Quoting swi (Thread starter):
I couldn’t help the feeling that everything around me was created with a ‘that will do’ attitude

What I meant to say was that my experience was uninspiring and, from my experience, other European carriers sum up better than BA did on these flights when considering intra-European services of a similar length.

User currently offlinePs76 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 19157 times:


Just wanted to say many thanks for the report. Sorry you didn't have the best time with your flights but glad you found some parts you enjoyed and stuff. The price looked quite expensive though and to only get a cold meal on the way back might have been a bit dissappointing. But nice report anyway and some nice pics from inside the airplanes.

Many thanks,


User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8743 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 18856 times:
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Interesting read.

Quoting swi (Thread starter):
I also noticed a large amount of dirt around the lounge – especially on the surfaces. This is surprising considering how early in the day it was

- I travel through the lounges almost weekly, bar the toilet doors looking worn around the locks, the lounges are in excellent condition as far as I can see.

Quoting swi (Thread starter):
To board the aircraft, passengers must descend an escalator and then we passed through a very steeply slanted aerobridge with little friction, which gave me and my leather-soled shoes a hard time.

- Must be your shoes, never found anything wrong with the airbridges.

Quoting swi (Thread starter):
There were also no welcome drinks or towels offered, which really did not impress.

- CE service does not offer welcome drinks, bar LX with their bottle of water, I am not aware of any carrier that does this on european flights. The hot towel's have recently been reintroduced, you should have been offered one.

Quoting swi (Thread starter):
A cold, ‘extended breakfast’ was served prior to takeoff, and consisted of ham, cheese, relishes and grapes, all on the same plate with salad. The quality of the food and effort was frankly poor, even for a flight of this length.

- Hopefully it was served after takeoff! - The food looks looks ok to me, actually a nice change from the usual hot breakfast.

Re-reading your text again, I get the feeling you set your expectations quite high, you obviously don't travel very often so expected more than you got and feel dissapointed, to me a regular flyer, all looks fine.



User currently offlineDeparturex From Germany, joined Aug 2011, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 18735 times:


a very nice trip report. I flew BA Club Europe two years ago Stuttgart - London and back. At that time hot towels were still offered before take off - a nice gesture instead of serving a welcome drink. Sad to hear that this service feature has been dropped. The trays two years ago nearly featured the same kind of food - however full size trays were served on my routes instead of the medium sized trays pictured by you. So I think the presentation of the food was also slighty better two years ago. But perhaps this also differs because Stuttgart is another route than Berlin - altough the two routes are very comparable. I also completely agree with your opinion on the crew: they very very friendly and helpful on my flights too.



User currently offlineswi From UK - England, joined Dec 2010, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 18631 times:

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 6):
the lounges are in excellent condition as far as I can see

I agree that the lounge is in very good condition with no real visible signs of wear and tear. However, there was mess, such as uncollected plates, food remains and glasses left on the tables when I was there.

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 6):
Hopefully it was served after takeoff!

I am sorry about that - a simple typing error.

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 6):
I get the feeling you set your expectations quite high, you obviously don't travel very often so expected more than you got and feel disappointed, to me a regular flyer, all looks fine.

For your information I do travel quite often, however I admit that much of my travel is either long haul or within Asia, which means that my expectations are higher than someone who travels more on short-haul European flights. I wrote this report for the simple reason that I wanted to share my experience with others, and not because I wanted to portray BA in a negative light. However, my negative comments arise from my opinion, that in Europe, for flights of this length in J class I would expect better value for money. J class tickets are not cheap, and if I am not happy with anything I have the right to bring it up.

User currently offlinebriboy From Canada, joined Jul 2001, 381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 18598 times:

TXL was designed before the need for heavy security. The idea was that you walked pretty much unimpeded from car, to check-in, to gate.

The 1970s spate of high-jackings and bombings changed it all, making airports like this obsolete.

Other examples of this kind of airport are the old YYZ terminal one:

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Kansas City MCI:

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User currently offlineswi From UK - England, joined Dec 2010, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 18543 times:

Quoting briboy (Reply 9):
Other examples of this kind of airport

Thank you for the information  
I had no idea that so many other large airports had this layout.

User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 18506 times:

Quoting swi (Thread starter):

A very honest account of your flights there. I did enjoy seeing the pictures, and hearing especially about your experience on the return flight with at gate security, a very different way of doing things indeed.

The only comment I would make is that, being used to Asian airlines and their internal flights (As well as Long Haul) you did not think British Airways was up to scratch on the route that you flew. I can only say that I hope you try BA again, and see that it is consistent service that they offer on these routes, and is on a par with (And sometime better then) quiet a few European airlines. Service offerings have changed the past few years, and are hopefully going to start improving now with IAG and the airline now being back in profit.

Thanks for the TR

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