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Blue1 Vs Norwegian! HEL-OUL/RVN-HEL  
User currently offline717Flyer From Finland, joined Jun 2011, 303 posts, RR: 10
Posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9943 times:

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Hi all,
and welcome to my fourth trip report. In case you missed my last trip report featuring the Boeing 717 and Blue1's new route to Edinburgh, you are welcome to view it here: Edinburgh, Blue1 And The Boeing 717! HEL-EDI-HEL (by 717Flyer Jul 9 2011 in Trip Reports)

I can also add that the eyecatcher picture above is an older one, we don't have snow in Lapland during the summer...

Now you're welcome to follow me on my newest adventure, starting halfway into July this year.



Background

I have some relatives living close to Rovaniemi in Lapland that I try to visit always when I get a chance. The natural choice is therefore of course to fly to RVN, but I always try to come up with something new.
The choice of direct flights HEL-RVN is restricted to Finnair and Norwegian Air Shuttle. Blue1 also used to operate the route during the winter season, though it is now unclear if they will continue to operate the route the upcoming winter.

The last time visiting Lapland was this easter (see report here: Atlantic And Norwegian Rides To Lapland (by 717Flyer Jun 5 2011 in Trip Reports) ) I flew HEL-RVN with Blue1 (operated by Atlantic Airways) and returning RVN-HEL on Norwegian. Now, DY is of course the cheapest option, offering one way tickets starting at 36 EUR.
As Norwegian announced a sale in May where they sold flights on this route for only 25 EUR I of course went ahead to book a ticket. Those cheapest tickets were only available on Tuesdays, which was no problem, so I booked a RVN-HEL ticket for the beginning of August. Without any seat assignments, hotels, car rentals, suitcases, dishwashers and hair dryers (I guess you got the point) - I really ended up paying only 25 EUR for the ticket. Now that's a bargain!

Definitely wanting to log at least something new, no matter if it being an airport, airline or aircraft type I soon discovered the idea of flying to Oulu on the outbound journey. I am embarrassed to confess that although passing the city many times I have never before used that airport. The options were either DY or KF, 36 EUR vs 41 EUR, the 737-800 vs the 717. The choice was clear - and I booked an afternoon flight with Blue1 for a Thursday in July.

Finally, to fill out the gap, a train ticket from Oulu to Rovaniemi on one of the InterCity trains costed my wallet another 17 EUR.

Here's the routing, made possible by Great Circle Mapper:


Now that's enough of planning - let's go and answer the question: Who wins, Blue1 or Norwegian?

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User currently offline717Flyer From Finland, joined Jun 2011, 303 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9967 times:

The afternoon before my flight, some 22 hours before departure, I got a text message from Blue1 saying that check in was now open for my flight. Instead of checking in with the mobile phone I logged onto their website and onto the online check in section.

The procedure is easy, and I was relieved to see the seat map of the Boeing 717 showing. There was many available seats, perhaps indicating a low load on tomorrows flight. I picked 8A:


Soon I had also printed my boarding pass.
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Thursday 21.7.2011

A departure at 13.40 meant no wakeup at all, just a good sleep until 9.00. My journey to the airport begun at about 11.30, first the train, then the airport bus. I stepped into a (completely) empty Terminal 1 at 12.30, 1 hour 10 minutes before departure.
Of course wanting to take advantage of the free baggage allowance, I decide to check in my bag.

"Hello"
"Hello, where are you flying today?"
"I'm off to Oulu today, first time flying there.
"Good choice, that's my hometown"
"That's nice"
"Alright your bag is checked in, boarding at 13.15 from gate 13, the flight is on time and the seat you have selected, 8A"
"Thank you"
"Enjoy the flight"
Done in one minute.

No overweight, no companion, no queuing, just up the stairs immediately. Not a single person in line for security - I'm through in a minute and find my gate (gate 13) right opposite the exit from security control. As I sit down there I see from my watch it took exactly five minutes (!) of my precious time to clear all airport "facilities".

I decide to go for a little walk, finding almost all jetways empty this time in the early afternoon. Soon I see a Finnair Embraer 170 in the new colours - no photo of it - as there is nothing to photograph there. I miss the old colour scheme already (even if it is still around)...
However I quickly cheer up by the view of this Lufty Airbus A320:
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You got to thank Lufthansa for writing the aircraft type and name so clearly, surely makes the job of an aircraft spotter much, much easier.

And here comes one that sure always get landing and takeoff clearance as the first one, who could have OH-ATC waiting?
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As I return to my gate, I wonder which one of the eight 717s currently in service with Blue1 will be my ride. I know that my aircraft is either coming in from LHR at 13.00 or from TXL at 13.10. Soon, already at 12.30 I see OH-BLI pulling in from the land of doubledeckers, 30 minutes early, impressive. It however parks at the nearby gate 12 instead.

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Almost there:
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As I confessed in an earlier report of mine, I have a weakness for muffins. Not only that, I am VERY curious of load factors on different flights (first of all kudos to AY and BT for publishing load factors for some flights on Amadeus!), alright I take a pen and a piece of paper in my hand, drawing a line for every deboarding passenger from the LHR flight.
I end up with 110 passengers plus 4 infants. That's a load factor of 92 %, not bad.

A funny detail is when I see the cabin crew deboarding from the flight. They spot the huge queue for passport control and happily run past and wave at some passengers as they enter their own priority line. After clearing they continue to hurry - either they want home badly or then there is another flight waiting for them. I suspect the first.

Soon, I get other things to think about as I see this: well, hello:
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OH-BLG, as expected, pulls in at my gate at 12.45. 25 minutes early - what's up with KF that is (in)famous for its delays?
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Of course, I count deboarding passengers once again, this time I end up with 97 pax (load 81 %).
Yet another good load, I guess it is the summer holidays that get people flying on these routes that are going to be shut down in August or September.

Only 10 minutes after the last passenger has disembarked, boarding starts. Quite efficient if you ask me. Also no crew change. I enter the plane at 13.05 while my boarding pass states that boarding time is 13.15. Jeez, they really want to get us moving early!

Flight Information
Airline: Blue1
Flight number: KF223
Equipment: Boeing 717
Reg: OH-BLG, 'Blue Flow' / 'Sininen Virta'
Departure: Scheduled/Actual: 13:40/13:31
Arrival: Scheduled/Actual: 14:45/14:29
Seat: : 8A, window
Load factor : 99 %

OH-BLG is of course a new reg for me and it is my fourth time on the Boeing 717.

As I enter the aircraft, I spot our male purser at the door. He's a familiar face for me - I remember him from the last Blue1 MD-90 flight ZRH-HEL in November last year. Best of all is that he's full of energy. "Come on there, don't be shy, good afternoon, hi you, welcome onboard". Not a single person gets the same greeting.
Behind him is another much more calm male crew member, greeting everyone in a more, well, standard manner.

Cabin crew is three male, one female - something new for me, the other times flying the 717 there's always been only three cabin crew.

Here's a view of our beautiful neighbour:
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I hope our gate number will not affect the safety on our flight:
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Soon everyone have taken their seats. I look around and find one row of Blue1 Premium completely empty and the other cabin approx. 40 % full.
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Such a low load factor would for sure have been nice for us passengers (not so nice for Blue1) but that hope (or desperation for that case) comes to an end with our energetic purser saying something as "Where's everyone? We've got full house today".
And indeed, after a wait of a couple of minutes there's a new line of passengers in the aisle. Some of them have tax free bags from Larnaca Airport (self-built connection - hey, that's more like it!) and soon every single seat is taken in economy with one empty seats in Premium, that's a load of 99 %.

Our captain Karhila welcomes us onboard in his announcement and states the flight time as a quick 50 minutes. Finally he asks us to enjoy the flight together with "our magnificent cabin crew". Well - best to do as he says.

After manual safety demonstration, we push back already at 13.31, nine minutes early.

SE-MDI, ATR 72 of Blue1 (Golden Air), preparing for departure to TLL:
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Bye, mate:
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OH-LBR, Boeing 757 bound for Málaga, carrying some frustrated passengers - hey, their flight was only four and a half hours delayed:
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We take off from runway 22R one minute ahead of scheduled departure time:
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Anyone in need of a car:
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Soon we come into some clouds
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I notice the new issue of Blue1 Dream magazine in the seat pocket. I read through some features in it and decide to nick the copy with me (hey - it's written there that 'You're free copy'.) And it's nice to have it in my collection, too.


Service is free soft drinks. Soon our purser reaches my row.
"And what's this gentleman in mood for today?"
"Coffee, please"
"And that comes with what?"
"Coffee, sugar, and wisdom words"

He understands my joke and cracks a smile. "You won't get that on other airlines" is his reply.

Here it is, coffee with wisdom words.
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Finally he asks me if I want something else, he explains this is the last chance to get something.
"Perhaps a glass of water?"
"Sure, if you say so".

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Disclaimer: : The muffin pictured on the photo above is not part of the free service on any Blue1 or SAS Group airline.

Our captain is once again on the speakers. We are starting our descent, landing expected in 20 minutes, weather in Oulu sunny and + 20 C.

Land comes into sight:
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The river of Oulujoki:
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Someone's been digging:
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Soon the island of Hailuoto comes into sight
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The island, that has a population of around 1 000, is connected to the mainland via a ferry service. Here's proof:
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Did you know that during the winter there's also an official ice road to Hailuoto?

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I'd love to live in that house - good view of approaching aircraft:
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The terminal building:
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A somewhat bumpy landing at runway 12 is followed by applause from some of the passengers.

Then follows an announcement
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Oulu where we have landed early.
Some part of me is prepared to hear the classic "Yet another flight arrives on time" song, but soon I am brought back to reality by the powerful sound of the 717 engines. Hey - I'm not flying on Ryanair - I'm on Blue1. And so the announcement continues:
I would like to warn you that the stairs may be extremely slippery, so please be careful when exiting the aircraft. Thank you for choosing Blue1 for your flight today, have a good day and looking forward to welcoming you onboard soon

No diversion this time, we really are in Oulu:
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Mirror, mirror on the wall, who in the land is fairest of all?"
"You, the Boeing 717, of course"


We reach our parking position (no jetways in Oulu, whee for photography) at 14.31, 14 minutes early, exactly one hour after leaving our gate in Helsinki.
Everyone jumps up as the seat belt sign and so there is a bit of a queue waiting for doors to be opened and the queue to get moving and I have some time to chat with our purser.
"You were on the last MD-90 flight to Zurich, weren't you?" is my question to him.
"I was, and without further questions I'm pretty sure you were too".
"That's true".
I show him my camera and add that "I need to prepare my camera to take some shots of this beautiful plane"
"Yes, please do so. As an extra you can get the crew for the return flight standing in front of the nose"
Soon the queue starts moving and I tell him thanks and goodbye.
"Bye bye, and remember those stairs, can be slippery".

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The return flights crew is involved in a lively chat with the ground agent, you can hear some loud chuckle from them.
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A last look before heading to arrivals
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I'm surprised by how small the airport is, specially the arrivals area, with only one luggage belt. It is alright now with only my flight arriving, but during rush hour with Finnair, Blue1 and Norwegian all arriving within 15 minutes it isn't that comfortable here...
Thanks to our early arrival (cheers, KF!), I manage to hop on an earlier bus to the city. The bus line 19 has departures every 30 minutes and instead of having to wait until 15.20 I'm on the 14.50 bus instead. The fare for the 15 kilometers ride is a bit pricey at 4,40 EUR - but hey, it's cheaper than taking a taxi.
The bus is awfully slow but as a silver lining we get a free tour of all possible suburban areas around Oulu and Oulunsalo.

Cabin view:
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I leave the bus after a ride of about 35 minutes and start my walk down to the central square, that is surrounded by beautiful old wooden houses:
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Being a bit hungry I decide it is time for some food and some delicious reindeer stew fills up nicely, even though I'm still too South to eat reindeer...
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Soon it starts raining, here are some last shots of the square.
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You'd better behave, otherwise Toripolliisi , in English something in style with Bobby of the market , will come and get you:


Quite nasty what some people have on their balconies:
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I reach the train station after a nice walk of 15 minutes. The ride from Oulu to Rovaniemi takes roughly 2 hours.
We reach Rovaniemi bang on time at 20.06.
A cabin view of the upper floor of the Intercity train:
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Lapland

I've seen much of Lapland during my travels and even though many of the cities, like Kemi (Markus and P., there you heard it once again) are not very special it is inbetween the cities you find small villages and stunning views.
My relatives live in a small village about one hour's drive away from Rovaniemi and during my two weeks there I managed to do some sightseeing by car, below is some of the lovely scenery I saw on the way.


Kattilakoski, close to which the most Northern gourmet restaurant in Sweden is located:
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My private beach:
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User currently offline717Flyer From Finland, joined Jun 2011, 303 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9945 times:

A magnificent place to cut the post in half, here we continue:

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Tuesday 9.8.2011

A departure at 11.50 means a relatively human wake up time at 8.30. As it is time to say goodbye to family and friend, it, as always, feels I had only been there for a number of days, already forced to leave. Anyway I promise to be back in a couple of months.
After a car drive of a little bit under an hour, I step outside Rovaniemi Airport at around 10.30, again a little bit too early.

As I start my walk inside the departures area, I have two things on my mind. First of all, hoping the flight will be on time, remembering a 3 hours delay on the very same flight two days ago. Secondly, I hope to get window seat as no online checkin was available (thank you, Norwegian!) and I wasn't in the mood of paying 7 EUR for a normal window seat - all interesting seats (eg. row 2) were blocked or already taken.

A couple of passengers ahead of me in the queue and after about five minutes (of listening to their "why-would-I-have-paid-for-my-baggage-I-won't-do-it-now-either" argument with the check-in agent and "I-pay-it-now-but-will-never-fly-this-airline-ago arguments it is my turn.

"Hello, do you have something to check in?"
"I can take this as carry on, can't I?"
"Yes, yes"
"Then, could it be possible to have a window seat behind the wing?"
"No".
"Excuse me?"
"Here is your boarding pass, boarding at 11.25, be there then"
"By the way, is the inbound flight arriving on time?"
"I don't know, ask the information desk".

Of course I was well aware of the inbound flight arriving on time (I had checked the arrivals monitor when entering the airport building) - but I wanted to see how customer service minded she was (or wasn't). This was clearly the most unpleasant checkin experience I remember, specially compared to the one in Helsinki a number of weeks earlier. I guess the check-in experience should also be a part of the whole "airline experience" and thus my first remark for Norwegian in this duel wasn't really positive. And after all - my bag does feature a big sticker with "Blue1" on it. Perhaps that got the checkin agent unwilling to give service.... (ha-ha-ha)

To be positive, I got just what I wanted. Seat 24A is very good for me, though I'm sure it wasn't because of the checkin agent. The checkin system just knows what kind of seats to assign 717Flyer. I felt like turning back and saying "Hey thanks, I got just what I wanted" but I leave it.

Not many departures at this time:
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The departures area:
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This is (of course) the only flight leaving from Rovaniemi Airport at this time and thus, security control opens 1 hour ahead of departure. I'm through without any problems, take a coffee from the nearby cafe and sit down at gate 5.

Those painted animals are cute, even though they make photography very limited:
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Around 11.20 I see our 737-800 landing on time. It is LN-DYM, a new reg for me, carrying Norwegian writer André Bjerke on its tail.
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Boarding starts 10 minutes after the arrival of the inbound flight, it almost seems to be a fight to get to board first. I could understand that on easyJet or Ryanair - but why on earth as we have assigned seating?
Unfortunately, the receipt-like boarding pass is taken by the agent and all I get back is a small piece of paper with my seat, my destination and my name. Not nice for my collection..

Of course we need to wait in the jetway:
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I manage to see a glimpse of the load sheet, 170 passengers on todays flight (out of 189), a load of 89 %.

Flight Information
Airline: Norwegian Air Shuttle
Flight number: DY 5623
Equipment: Boeing 737-800
Reg: LN-DYM
Departure: Scheduled/Actual: 11:50/11:56
Arrival: Scheduled/Actual: 13:10/13:13
Seat: 24A, window
Load factor : 89 %

There's no one standing at the front door when I enter the aircraft, but as I pass the first exit row I get a friendly greeting (albeit with an Estonian accent).

Here we are, entering the new Boeing Sky Interior (note the size and form of the overhead compartments):
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Wing view:
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Legroom is alright:
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There's also a new issue of the not-so-clever-named in-flight magazine Norwegian . What's interesting is the "Value: EUR 6/NOK 49" stated in the upper corner of the magazine - hey, I'm going to nick it no matter of its value.
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I am positively surprised by the "Please take your seat, do not block the aisle" announcement however as I hear it for the fourth time, it's not that funny anymore..

Our purser is from Sweden, the rest of our crew being Estonians. The welcome announcement, stating flight time as 1 hour 10 minutes, isn't made by our purser, but one of the Estonian crew members. Interestingly, that is the only announcement in Finnish during the whole flight, the other announcements made in Swedish and English by the purser.

Boarding completed is announced at 11.51.

I get a seat mate in the middle seat and a faither with an infant in the aisle. Soon one of the Estonian crew members comes up to him.
"We need to reseat you!"
"Why?"
"We r-e-s-e-a-t you!"
"Alright, I understand, but why? I want to keep an aisle seat"
(causes some quick text to another Estonian crew member, a look at the father inbetween. All I understand is English words such as "overwing" and "limit".)

As there's a quiet moment, I tell her that "Hey, you can reseat me too, but then I'd prefer business class".
She doesn't understand my joke - just stares at me, "Norwegian has no business class, I'm not reseating you".
Anyway, after further discussion the father moves up front to another row.

Departure airport and airline:
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We push back five minutes late at 11.55, no reason is given for the delay. A funny detail is the lady that gets up, heads for the toilet just as we are about to enter runway, anyway the FAs direct her back to her seat.
Meanwhile, in the row behind me, a mother is sitting together with her two boys. They have an argument going on - both of the boys wanting to sit in the middle seat. I feel like telling them something about the importance of having a window seat, but, oh well..

The weather is rainy and there's no views at all during our take off from runway 21:
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View from my seat:
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Norwegian has of course taken big efforts in order to provide their customers with the best level of culinary experiences. DISCLAIMER: The statement above was made in order to ensure that the modern, safe and cheap airline Norwegian does not get seen in an all too negative way in this trip report. .

Service is BOB, nothing for free and the trolley soon comes down the aisle. It is interesting to see that they do not ask passengers in every row if they would like to purchase something (that's the way they do it on some other airlines) - alright, in order to order something one must ask them to stop. I don't feel like a cup of coffee, just having drunk one at the airport cafe, however I did spot they have a muffin on sale (whee!), which I ask for. Our purser starts a frantic search in the trolley, but doesn't find a muffin. She's deeply sorry, but no muffin.

Mmmmh, nothing:
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There's no enroute information, but our captain Schoultz (definitely not Finnish) is on the speakers as we are beginning our descent. Gate arrival expected in 20 minutes, weather in Helsinki windy, + 17 C with rain showers.

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Captain, captain, you're going to fast, slow down!
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Not all too beautiful scenery during landing:
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Somewhere over Tuusula:
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Moments to touchdown on runway 15.
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Brakes:
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I'm going to miss you, Finncomm:
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Everything comes to an end, so does this trip. Here's OH-BLG that I began my journey with, ironically again preparing departure on KF223 to Oulu...
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Here we pass by a Boeing 757 of Air Finland, quite a stylish livery if you ask me:
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We park at gate 27 at 13.13, three minutes late, next to our mate LN-DYL:
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I thank the purser as I exit the aircraft.

A last view of my Norwegian ride:
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With no bags to wait for, I'm at the bus stop in a matter of minutes and jump on the first one home. Yet another wonderful trip had come to an end.


Conclusion

First of all, I am very happy of the decision I made. Oulu truly is a very beautiful city and was definitely worth a visit. Such a shame I did not have time to spend more time there. But I'll be back again soon, of course in addition to some nice flying.
I have always loved Lapland (after all that's where my father was born) and it will always remain near my heart so no words to explain my feelings for those small villages, my relatives and the relaxed lifestyle.

Then we come to the duel, DY vs KF.

Blue1 did well. An on time flight (way to go, KF!) on the best aircraft in our world - the Boeing 717. That of course is enough to make me happy, but as a Finn the very good coffee also cheered me up. What made me stay awake best of all was still the crew. I do not know if KF really has such fantastic flight attendants or if I have had the luck to get all the 'best ones'. They always make me disembark with a smile on my face.
The only negative fact I can come up with is the fare that was slightly higher than on Norwegian.

First of all, Norwegian Air Shuttle (to write the whole name) did a perfect job thinking of the sum I paid for my ticket. An (almost) on time flight on a new (though not so clean) aircraft for 25 EUR - I can not say anything bad about them. Still, a flight sold as Norwegian with mostly Estonian crew is not for my liking - service on this flight was non-existing with a feel of the crew waiting eagerly of getting home.
A positive fact when flying Norwegian is the free wireless internet connection that is available on some (though not even close to all) aircraft. On the other hand the fact that no online check in is available is on the negative side.

Who is nr. 1?
It's up to you - please leave leave your opinion in this matter!
All other questions and comments are also most welcome.

Regards,
717Flyer

PS. Only one day at home before my birthday. Why are you telling us that, maybe you wonder. Well, because its time for some birthday flying. HEL-AMS-CPH-HEL - hopefully catching a new airline and two new aircraft types for my own log. I can reveal already here that everything didn't go completely according to plans...
Stay tuned!

My earlier trip reports
Atlantic And Norwegian Rides To Lapland (by 717Flyer Jun 5 2011 in Trip Reports)
Lake Geneva On The MD80? HEL-CPH-GVA-CPH-HEL (by 717Flyer Jun 20 2011 in Trip Reports)
Edinburgh, Blue1 And The Boeing 717! HEL-EDI-HEL (by 717Flyer Jul 9 2011 in Trip Reports)


User currently offlineFlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1706 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9830 times:

Hi 717,

Good stuff, a nice comparison between the two underdogs on the Finnish domestic market! Some great shots of Lapland there as well - it can be quite a magical place during the summer, I just have a hard time dealing with the "Lappish Air Force" (or swarms of blood sucking mosquitoes for those of you unfamiliar with this joke) buzzing around you.

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
I really ended up paying only 25 EUR for the ticket. Now that's a bargain!

Not bad at all. No wonder VR has been reporting declining passenger numbers between Helsinki and Oulu/Rovaniemi. Although I miss the 1 EUR special fares they had when they first started flying to HEL - that flight to ARN remains the cheapest flight I've ever bought!

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 1):
A departure at 13.40 meant no wakeup at all, just a good sleep until 9.00.

But you still woke up?

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 1):
You got to thank Lufthansa for writing the aircraft type and name so clearly, surely makes the job of an aircraft spotter much, much easier.

Then again any self respecting spotter should know planes by heart, not needing to resort to some written help.

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 1):
Soon, already at 12.30 I see OH-BLI pulling in from the land of doubledeckers, 30 minutes early, impressive. It however parks at the nearby gate 12 instead.

Yep, the only non-Schengen capable gate at T1.

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 1):
I end up with 110 passengers plus 4 infants. That's a load factor of 92 %, not bad.

Hmm, I have a suspicion that the Heathrow flights have always had very good loads. The problem of course is that pretty much all of it is in economy, and thus the yields aren't that good for an expensive airport like LHR. I wonder how much connecting traffic they actually carry (or carried) on these flights.

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 1):
After clearing they continue to hurry - either they want home badly or then there is another flight waiting for them. I suspect the first.

Hmm. This is the flight that overnights at LHR, right? I once chat with a 717 crew (can't remember which flight it was, but I suspect it might've been KAO-HEL?) where the crew mentioned that they started their day at LHR and operated that flight to HEL before operating the domestic roundtrip.

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 1):
what's up with KF that is (in)famous for its delays?

Maybe they are going away with the Avros?

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 1):
Reg: OH-BLG, 'Blue Flow' / 'Sininen Virta'

It's actually "Sinen Virta":

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Bodo_08_2011/Oslo_Departure_9.jpg

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 1):
Some of them have tax free bags from Larnaca Airport (self-built connection - hey, that's more like it!) and soon every single seat is taken in economy with one empty seats in Premium, that's a load of 99 %.

Some tour operators sell connecting domestic flights for a special price, might be a case of those as well.

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 1):
OH-LBR, Boeing 757 bound for Málaga, carrying some frustrated passengers - hey, their flight was only four and a half hours delayed:

More like some very drunken pax, I bet.

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 1):
The river of Oulujoki:

Sorry, but I very much doubt that is Oulujoki as you had the normal approach from the south and then over the sea - Oulujoki flows right through the city, i.e. northeast from the airport. That looks like Siikajoki to me (remember the good old "Rivers of Bothnia" from elementary school?).

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 1):
I'm surprised by how small the airport is, specially the arrivals area, with only one luggage belt. It is alright now with only my flight arriving, but during rush hour with Finnair, Blue1 and Norwegian all arriving within 15 minutes it isn't that comfortable here...

Well, that's why they are building the new terminal extension. Although I don't think that promised BT hub will ever become a reality...

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 1):
The bus is awfully slow but as a silver lining we get a free tour of all possible suburban areas around Oulu and Oulunsalo.

Plus there's free wifi in the bus!

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 1):
"Then, could it be possible to have a window seat behind the wing?"
"No".
"Excuse me?"

Yeah, I had this same crap there back in May, although the agent was a bit more friendlier and explained that the system somehow preassigns seats and they have no power for changing those. That is a bit worrying though, I did end up with a window seat back then, but with the kind of load factors you and me experienced you might just as well not. OUL at least has self service kiosks where you can pick your seat just fine (including 1F  ).

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 1):
As there's a quiet moment, I tell her that "Hey, you can reseat me too, but then I'd prefer business class".
She doesn't understand my joke - just stares at me, "Norwegian has no business class, I'm not reseating you".

You should sometimes be careful with these kind of jokes.

Actually reminds me of an AB DUS-HEL flight a couple of years ago when a somewhat drunk Finnish guy in front of me at the boarding queue got handed a new boarding pass (so a seat change) for row 1 - he said loudly something like "Now I got really lucky, BUSINESS CLASS! Thank you!!!". I didn't have the heart to tell him that he just got some extra legroom and that's it...

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 2):
on the best aircraft in our world - the Boeing 717.

Sorry mate, you made a typo. Obviously you meant "777", didn't you?

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 2):
What made me stay awake best of all was still the crew. I do not know if KF really has such fantastic flight attendants or i

Yeah, I've found the KF cabin crew to be very good, friendly, courteous and just generally nice.

I miss that one Avro captain though, who usually told all kinds of funny stories with his announcements.


User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4269 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9803 times:

Hi!

great report, really nice mix to compare for a domestic Finnish run.

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
Disclaimer: : The muffin pictured on the photo above is not part of the free service on any Blue1 or SAS Group airline.

Oh good to mention that. Some members would become freaking mad when they would've thought that it was part of the deal!

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
I would like to warn you that the stairs may be extremely slippery, so please be careful when exiting the aircraft

Or just stay onboard with us  
Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
The bus is awfully slow but as a silver lining we get a free tour of all possible suburban areas around Oulu and Oulunsalo.

That's why you pay over 4 euro's... it's all about distance I think. Same here in the Netherlands. Pay per distance.

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 2):
"Then, could it be possible to have a window seat behind the wing?"
"No".
"Excuse me?"
"Here is your boarding pass, boarding at 11.25, be there then"
"By the way, is the inbound flight arriving on time?"
"I don't know, ask the information desk".

Really unprofessional attitude of this groundstaff. Maybe it's time to send her back to school? Or send her home!

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 2):
Here we are, entering the new Boeing Sky Interior (note the size and form of the overhead compartments):

Really nice. Hope to be on such an aircraft also soon.

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 2):
Soon one of the Estonian crew members comes up to him.
"We need to reseat you!"
"Why?"
"We r-e-s-e-a-t you!"

No way for me. First crew have to explain me why. If it's an assigned seat and they have the need to reseat, I assume errors had been made during check-in.

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 2):
A positive fact when flying Norwegian is the free wireless internet connection that is available on some (though not even close to all) aircraft.

I think they'll start soon charging for this service... it won't continue to be free of course.

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 2):
Who is nr. 1?
It's up to you - please leave leave your opinion in this matter!

In this story, I would say Blue1, but mostly because the 717 and then the free service. Still, DY was cheaper and also done ok for me on this short flight. I had a good experience so far on DY, but we'll see again on Tuesday when I've another flight with them booked.

Regards
Eric



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9646 times:

Hi 717Flyer!

Nice report with nice pictures ! Lapland looks nice in the summer and it reminds me of the summers I used to spend with realtives near Pitea in Northern Sweden. We would fly to LLA on a SK DC-8-41 and spend about two weeks before going back home.

Oulea looks nice and the lunch you bought looks great too! I love reindeer meet!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 3):
Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 1):
You got to thank Lufthansa for writing the aircraft type and name so clearly, surely makes the job of an aircraft spotter much, much easier.

Then again any self respecting spotter should know planes by heart, not needing to resort to some written help.

I know you fly a lot FlyinFinn but didn't know you knew the names of the aircraft by heart of all the LH fleet. A test for you; What;s the name of D-AIRE ? If you get it right without looking it up I'll buy you a beer whenever we meet up.

To me, it KF was the winner here with better service but more importantly more firendly and personable crew. Nice that you got another new registation especially on KF since you've been on their 717s before.

Looking forrward to your next report!

The777Man

[Edited 2011-08-14 12:00:46]


Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlinesultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1721 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9564 times:
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Hello 717Flyer,

Thanks for this interesting comparison, written with good humour and accompanied with nice pics. That's what I like   Thanks for mouthwatering me again with another B717 report as well, as I am getting very anxious on logging this bird at the end of this week!


Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
for only 25 EUR

Good price that is, but it added up to...? accounting for cc payment, service fees,...?

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
The choice was clear - and I booked an afternoon flight with Blue1

Excellent choice and I wouldn't have expected anything else.

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
I picked 8A

Are the windows aligned with the seats or not? You know I definitely need a good window seat with a properly aligned window. I already know that window last row has no window and I don't want to go through that sh... again!

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
who could have OH-ATC waiting?

Kept my simple mind busy for some time, but now I got the message   

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
alright I take a pen and a piece of paper in my hand, drawing a line for every deboarding passenger from the LHR flight.

Oh my, are you that obsessed with LF's?

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
Cabin crew is three male, one female - something new for me, the other times flying the 717 there's always been only three cabin crew.

Perhaps they had a trainee on board?

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
ATR 72 of Blue1 (Golden Air), preparing for departure to TLL:

I was supposed to take this one but KF decided at last notice to cancel this codeshared route leaving me with only BRU-HEL and another problem to be solved...

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
He understands my joke and cracks a smile. "You won't get that on other airlines" is his reply.

Nice F/A you encountered there!

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
Did you know that during the winter there's also an official ice road to Hailuoto?

Really? Must be exciting to drive on.

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
My private beach:

Judging by the footsteps in the sand you did take a swim now did you?

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
but why on earth as we have assigned seating?

Some people...

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
I have always loved Lapland (after all that's where my father was born) and it will always remain near my heart so no words to explain my feelings for those small villages, my relatives and the relaxed lifestyle.

I can totally understand, your pics show this beautiful area. One I hope to visit someday...

   Sultanils



In thrust we trust.
User currently offlineFlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1706 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9528 times:

Hi Lars,

Quoting The777Man (Reply 5):
I know you fly a lot FlyinFinn but didn't know you knew the names of the aircraft by heart of all the LH fleet. A test for you; What;s the name of D-AIRE ? I you get it right without looking it up I'll buy you a beer whenever we meet up.

Heh, I didn't actually notice that the OP mentioned the name as well - I just read it as the plane type. Yeah, sorry 'bout that  .

Hi Nils,

Quoting sultanils (Reply 6):
Are the windows aligned with the seats or not? You know I definitely need a good window seat with a properly aligned window. I already know that window last row has no window and I don't want to go through that sh... again!

Just pick something as far front as possible - the rows after the wings have horrible legroom, the ones up front less so.

No disaligned windows AFAIK, so any seat should do. For flying to HEL you want an F seat, with the usual approach patterns and routes you will most likely see the city on that side and if landing on 15 as expected the airport itself during finals.

Looking forward to Friday!


User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5100 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9347 times:

Thanks for an interesting report.

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
I can also add that the eyecatcher picture above is an older one, we don't have snow in Lapland during the summer...

= Haha. I was beginning to wonder ...

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
Being a bit hungry I decide it is time for some food and some delicious reindeer stew fills up nicely, even though I'm still too South to eat reindeer...

= Wow. Is that normal everyday food? How do you guys stay fit? Feel free to share some tips!

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
"Hello, do you have something to check in?"
"I can take this as carry on, can't I?"
"Yes, yes"
"Then, could it be possible to have a window seat behind the wing?"
"No".
"Excuse me?"
"Here is your boarding pass, boarding at 11.25, be there then"
"By the way, is the inbound flight arriving on time?"
"I don't know, ask the information desk".

= Really poor.

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
There's no one standing at the front door when I enter the aircraft, but as I pass the first exit row I get a friendly greeting (albeit with an Estonian accent).

= I was wondering if you had something against Estonians ... but then you answered:

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
Still, a flight sold as Norwegian with mostly Estonian crew is not for my liking

= Why does it matter if the crew was Estonian and Swedes? I would think IF they gave you good service national origin would not matter ...

Saludos,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offline717Flyer From Finland, joined Jun 2011, 303 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8928 times:

Hi P, Eric, The777Man, Nils, Alex,
thank you all for stopping by and leaving a comment.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 3):
But you still woke up?

Well, obviously, otherwise there wouldn't have been any flight to report about in this trip report..

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 3):
Then again any self respecting spotter should know planes by heart, not needing to resort to some written help.

Now you're hurting my feelings! It is clear as water for me (and other A.nutters) to see the difference between different aircraft of the same aircraft family, but what I meant with my statement was that the clearly stated name makes it easier to get track of the aircraft.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 3):
I wonder how much connecting traffic they actually carry (or carried) on these flights.

Well, they do have code share with CO (connections to EWR) and BD (MAN,ABE, Middle East) on the flights to London, though I do not think they got enough connecting traffic to keep the route profitable also in the middle of the week. I do remember one friend of mine travelling to HEL-LHR-MAN on KF and BD for quite an acceptable price.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 3):
This is the flight that overnights at LHR, right? I once chat with a 717 crew (can't remember which flight it was, but I suspect it might've been KAO-HEL?) where the crew mentioned that they started their day at LHR and operated that flight to HEL before operating the domestic roundtrip.

Yes, I'm talking about the overnight flight. Interestingly enough, in the reduced summer timetable the 13.40 departure to Oulu was the only departure at that time and was operated by the crew arriving from TXL.
Earlier in spring I remember seeing the 13.40 Oulu flight being pushed back because of the LHR flight arriving late.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 3):
It's actually "Sinen Virta"

Thanks for correcting me, alright it wasn't a completely direct translation, interesting.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 3):
Well, that's why they are building the new terminal extension. Although I don't think that promised BT hub will ever become a reality...

Also the axing of the (RIX-)OUL-TOS route was a show of that their ambitious plans for OUL perhaps were a bit too ambitious. Did you manage to fly on the OUL-TOS route when it still lasted?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 3):
Sorry mate, you made a typo. Obviously you meant "777", didn't you?

Perhaps I meant 747, I don't know, but triple seven, well I still need to log more flights on it to be able to comment.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 4):
great report, really nice mix to compare for a domestic Finnish run.

It all started from the idea of never flying the same airline twice (courtesy of PH) and, well, nice that you liked it.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 4):
I think they'll start soon charging for this service... it won't continue to be free of course.

That's true. Now I am eagerly waiting for SK to install wireless internet on some of their aircraft too, what do you think, will they charge for it?

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 4):
In this story, I would say Blue1, but mostly because the 717 and then the free service. Still, DY was cheaper and also done ok for me on this short flight. I had a good experience so far on DY, but we'll see again on Tuesday when I've another flight with them booked.

Yes, from my point of view Norwegian would perhaps be the choice for regular travellers because of very low prices, good publicity and new aircraft. On the other hand Blue1 has more to give to someone who cares about the flight, giving an interesting aircraft, nice crews, coffee…
Anyway it is good to see competition also on the domestic market in Finland, not long ago I was forced to travel with AY..
Also looking forward to your upcoming trip!

Quoting The777Man (Reply 5):
Nice report with nice pictures !

Thank you, you're most welcome!

Quoting The777Man (Reply 5):
Lapland looks nice in the summer and it reminds me of the summers I used to spend with realtives near Pitea in Northern Sweden. We would fly to LLA on a SK DC-8-41 and spend about two weeks before going back home.

Ah, those good old times. As I was very young, too young to understand the importance of a certain aircraft, I just loved flying and flew to RVN every summer and Christmas. Looking at old photo albums I have flown with the DC-9 and MD-80 while still in service with Finnair.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 5):
I know you fly a lot FlyinFinn but didn't know you knew the names of the aircraft by heart of all the LH fleet. A test for you; What;s the name of D-AIRE ? If you get it right without looking it up I'll buy you a beer whenever we meet up.

  
First of all, as I praised Lufthansa for writing the aircraft type so clearly I surely did not mean I couldn't figure out myself whether it is an A319, A320 or A321. I just said it in general, not everyone is so "plane-mad" as we A.nutters are.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 5):
To me, it KF was the winner here with better service but more importantly more firendly and personable crew. Nice that you got another new registation especially on KF since you've been on their 717s before.

I can only agree. Now I'm hoping to get on one of the newest 717s - until now I've logged flights on four of the nine ones currently in service.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 5):
Looking forrward to your next report!

Thanks, should be online later this week, stay tuned!

Quoting sultanils (Reply 6):
Thanks for this interesting comparison

You're welcome, thanks for your reply!  
Quoting sultanils (Reply 6):
Thanks for mouthwatering me again with another B717 report as well, as I am getting very anxious on logging this bird at the end of this week!

This is getting interesting - it looks like we're getting many reports about Finland and the B717 in the nearest future. I really hope you're going to enjoy Finland, and I want a VERY detailed report.   

Quoting sultanils (Reply 6):
Good price that is, but it added up to...? accounting for cc payment, service fees,...?

Normally I pay all my flights with a credit card (and so I get EuroBonus points for everything I buy), however, as the amount was so small and the credit card fee so large compared to the total amount I paid by debit card.THat way, the grand total was that very 25 EUR.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 6):
Are the windows aligned with the seats or not? You know I definitely need a good window seat with a properly aligned window. I already know that window last row has no window and I don't want to go through that sh... again!

As per the information I've got you can pick any row (except the last one). Thinking of the better leg room up in front, that's what I'd recommend. And do remember to check out Optiontown for a cheap upgrade to Premium!

Quoting sultanils (Reply 6):
Kept my simple mind busy for some time, but now I got the message   

Well, it is my mission to give my readers something to think about!  
Quoting sultanils (Reply 6):
Oh my, are you that obsessed with LF's?

Well, not in general, but I am specially curious about the LFs on the routes KF is axing /has already axed, wanting to see how full/empty they are going.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 6):
Perhaps they had a trainee on board?

On the other hand there was only two cabin crew members waiting outside in OUL so perhaps one of the four ones on the outbound flight was continuing on duty back to HEL.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 6):
I was supposed to take this one but KF decided at last notice to cancel this codeshared route leaving me with only BRU-HEL and another problem to be solved..

Did you book TLL-BRU-HEL or on two separate bookings?

Quoting sultanils (Reply 6):
Nice F/A you encountered there!

Well, I've encountered many other nice ones too (one is featured in my upcoming Amsterdam TR...)

Quoting sultanils (Reply 6):
Judging by the footsteps in the sand you did take a swim now did you?

It is wonderful to see that someone is looking so closely!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 7):
Yeah, sorry 'bout that  .

I forgive you   

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 7):
Looking forward to Friday!

Oh, so you're having a meet? Hopefully you will have a nice time!  
Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 8):
Thanks for an interesting report.

Thank you, you're welcome.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 8):
Wow. Is that normal everyday food? How do you guys stay fit? Feel free to share some tips!

No, I do not see reindeer meat as everyday food. First of all it is such an delicacy, and secondly, it isn't exactly cheap either. What is a more "everyday" option is deer which is also significantly cheaper than reindeer.
Alright, if you eat reindeer a maximum of once a week it shouldn't be any problems of staying fit. During my time in Lapland I did ride a bike a lot, about 30 kilometers every day.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 8):
Really poor.

Sure not nice customer service, and if it is so that they cannot change the seats the system has assigned, then the least the agent could have done would have been to explain the whole deal to me!

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 8):
I was wondering if you had something against Estonians ... but then you answered:

 
Now I'm deeply sorry. Let me make this clear. I have nothing whatsoever against Estonians, they're close friends to us Finns, just on the other side of the gulf!

Therefore my comment on the cabin crew on Norwegian was just my way of noticing that the Swedish and Norwegian cabin crew flying for DY (eg. from ARN and OSL) have been much more cheerful and friendly. As also discussed on the forums here, the hired Estonian FAs working for Norwegian in Finland haven't got very nice job contracts. Alright, I sympathize with them and understand their "less-enthusiastic" approach to their job.

Regards
717Flyer


User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8793 times:

Hi 717Flyer!

Well written tripreport, I had a great time reading it.

Kinda boring that most of the cabincrew on DY's HEL base are estonian, is this temporary or permanent?
The flight on KF looked really nice, i wish their mothercompany SK would give sodas for free too...
The flight on DY looked decent, really nice price and a new fresh aircraft, can't wait to try the SKYinterior myself.

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
Here's a view of our beautiful neighbour:

Agreed, the 717 is a beautiful aircraft and the KF livery is one of the most beautiful liverys out there.

Martin


User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 941 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 8737 times:

Thanks for TR!

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
Mirror, mirror on the wall, who in the land is fairest of all?"
"You, the Boeing 717, of course"

 
Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 9):
Therefore my comment on the cabin crew on Norwegian was just my way of noticing that the Swedish and Norwegian cabin crew flying for DY (eg. from ARN and OSL) have been much more cheerful and friendly.

It seems the main problem with the Estonian crews are their language skills. There could be some cultural differences too, comparing to the super polite Swedes also Finns sound a bit rude sometimes...

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 9):
Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 8):
Wow. Is that normal everyday food? How do you guys stay fit? Feel free to share some tips!
Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 9):
No, I do not see reindeer meat as everyday food. First of all it is such an delicacy, and secondly, it isn't exactly cheap either. What is a more "everyday" option is deer which is also significantly cheaper than reindeer. Alright, if you eat reindeer a maximum of once a week it shouldn't be any problems of staying fit.

Reindeer meat is health food actually, very low fat and nutritious. Reindeer is about the only red meet I eat occasionally, I like the idea these Rudolphs are running semi-wild in the clean arctic nature. But as said, reindeer isn't everyday food outside Lapland, not the cheapest choice really.


User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5100 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8691 times:

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 9):
No, I do not see reindeer meat as everyday food. First of all it is such an delicacy, and secondly, it isn't exactly cheap either. What is a more "everyday" option is deer which is also significantly cheaper than reindeer.
Alright, if you eat reindeer a maximum of once a week it shouldn't be any problems of staying fit. During my time in Lapland I did ride a bike a lot, about 30 kilometers every day.

= I guess if you bike 30K/day, you could get away with eating almost anything  . Wow. This is why I love A.Net. I can learn so much about other parts of the world. Thanks for this. I must eat reindeer meat the next time I am in Finland, and make it to Lapland.

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 9):
Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 8):
I was wondering if you had something against Estonians ... but then you answered:


Now I'm deeply sorry. Let me make this clear. I have nothing whatsoever against Estonians, they're close friends to us Finns, just on the other side of the gulf!

Therefore my comment on the cabin crew on Norwegian was just my way of noticing that the Swedish and Norwegian cabin crew flying for DY (eg. from ARN and OSL) have been much more cheerful and friendly. As also discussed on the forums here, the hired Estonian FAs working for Norwegian in Finland haven't got very nice job contracts. Alright, I sympathize with them and understand their "less-enthusiastic" approach to their job.

= Interesting. Thanks for expanding on your observations. I never got why 2 people doing the same job side by side should be paid different salaries ... especially in Europe where things are supposed to be more "fair" ... your observations make sense.

Quoting HELyes (Reply 11):

It seems the main problem with the Estonian crews are their language skills. There could be some cultural differences too, comparing to the super polite Swedes also Finns sound a bit rude sometimes...

= I have been to Finland several times and find them reserved - but I wouldn't say rude. But I guess to someone from other parts, it might be construed as such?

Quoting HELyes (Reply 11):

Reindeer meat is health food actually, very low fat and nutritious. Reindeer is about the only red meet I eat occasionally, I like the idea these Rudolphs are running semi-wild in the clean arctic nature. But as said, reindeer isn't everyday food outside Lapland, not the cheapest choice really.

= Haha. Fair enough.

Saludos,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlinesultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1721 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8666 times:
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Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 9):
I really hope you're going to enjoy Finland, and I want a VERY detailed report.

I will do my uttermost best (as usual)  

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 9):
Did you book TLL-BRU-HEL or on two separate bookings?

That's a long story acctually. I wanted to do another trip to/from HEL. Searching for fares yielded a BRU-HEL-TLL on Blue1 which was actually cheaper than BRU-HEL alone. So I booked that straight away. Then I wanted to book TLL-BRU on the OV CR9 but I was too late and the bargain price of € 79 dissapeared suddenly. So I chose another option: onwards from HEL to BRU via RIX on BT. Then I'd just not fly the HEL-TLL segment (which actually was interesting as well because operated by Golden Air on the AT42). Then after booking the BT flights I was all set but a few weeks ago Blue1 decided to get rid of the HEL-TLL flight (which by now was still my route 'in theory') and I got an email with a rerouting via CPH to TLL. Not good at all. But after a quick call to the Blue1 service center they rebooked me free of charge on the BRU-HEL service, so I got what I wanted. Is it a bit clear?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 7):
Just pick something as far front as possible - the rows after the wings have horrible legroom, the ones up front less so.

No disaligned windows AFAIK, so any seat should do. For flying to HEL you want an F seat, with the usual approach patterns and routes you will most likely see the city on that side and if landing on 15 as expected the airport itself during finals.

Looking forward to Friday!

Thanks for the info P and see you on Friday.



In thrust we trust.
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6811 posts, RR: 77
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8586 times:

Hi 717Flyer,

nice report with good pictures! I have flown on both carriers, but I like Blue1 better. Your report confirms that.

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 1):
You got to thank Lufthansa for writing the aircraft type and name so clearly, surely makes the job of an aircraft spotter much, much easier.

  

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
The muffin pictured on the photo above is not part of the free service on any Blue1 or SAS Group airline.

How much did it cost?

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 2):
I get a seat mate in the middle seat and a faither with an infant in the aisle. Soon one of the Estonian crew members comes up to him.
"We need to reseat you!"
"Why?"
"We r-e-s-e-a-t you!"
"Alright, I understand, but why? I want to keep an aisle seat"
(causes some quick text to another Estonian crew member, a look at the father inbetween. All I understand is English words such as "overwing" and "limit".)

As there's a quiet moment, I tell her that "Hey, you can reseat me too, but then I'd prefer business class".
She doesn't understand my joke - just stares at me, "Norwegian has no business class, I'm not reseating you".
Anyway, after further discussion the father moves up front to another row.

That's bad to hear, I hate FAs treating passengers like cattle.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineinfodesk From Switzerland, joined May 2006, 1459 posts, RR: 33
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8509 times:

Hi 717Flyer,

What a great TR. You've really made me chuckle........

You might have got a great fare on DY, but I'd far rather pay the extra to get the better service. Sounds like you had a truly fantastic crew on KF with a good sense of humour, makes for such a memorable experience.

Nice to see some photos of the Finnish countryside. That shot of your private beach should be sold to the Finnish Tourist Board to put in their brochures.

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
I really ended up paying only 25 EUR for the ticket. Now that's a bargain!

Funny how in the expensive Nordic countries you can get such damn good fares.

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
Only 10 minutes after the last passenger has disembarked, boarding starts. Quite efficient if you ask me. Also no crew change. I enter the plane at 13.05 while my boarding pass states that boarding time is 13.15. Jeez, they really want to get us moving early!

Impressive. That's a boarding procedure worthy of ezy & co.

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
Did you know that during the winter there's also an official ice road to Hailuoto?

Wow, bet it would be cool (oh dear, no pun intended) to drive along that.

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
"By the way, is the inbound flight arriving on time?"
"I don't know, ask the information desk".

Blimey, what fantastic customer service. Still, at least you did get a window seat.

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
As there's a quiet moment, I tell her that "Hey, you can reseat me too, but then I'd prefer business class".
She doesn't understand my joke - just stares at me, "Norwegian has no business class, I'm not reseating you".

This is really funny. Shame she didn't get it.

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
Service is BOB, nothing for free and the trolley soon comes down the aisle. It is interesting to see that they do not ask passengers in every row if they would like to purchase something (that's the way they do it on some other airlines) - alright, in order to order something one must ask them to stop. I don't feel like a cup of coffee, just having drunk one at the airport cafe, however I did spot they have a muffin on sale (whee!), which I ask for. Our purser starts a frantic search in the trolley, but doesn't find a muffin. She's deeply sorry, but no muffin.

So you could call it the BOB lottery service. What a shame about your muffin, but I do like the photo of the empty table  
Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
Only one day at home before my birthday. Why are you telling us that, maybe you wonder. Well, because its time for some birthday flying.

Nah, I don't believe a word if it. You're only telling us it's your birthday because you want some muffins...........  

Happy flying & happy birthday    (a.net's very own muffin)
Infodesk   



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User currently offlineDeparturex From Germany, joined Aug 2011, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8474 times:

Hi 717Flyer,

thanks for sharing this interesting report with us. I think after reading the report I would prefer Blue 1 because of the 717, the nice service and the funny and charming crew!

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 1):
Soon I see a Finnair Embraer 170 in the new colours - no photo of it - as there is nothing to photograph there. I miss the old colour scheme already (even if it is still around)...

I totally agree with you. I simply can't understand who in the world decided to change Finnair's color scheme from the former really beautiful one with the blue tail to this new totally uninspiring white one. It always looks to me like an aircraft chartered in for some time and not painted completely   !

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
Here we are, entering the new Boeing Sky Interior (note the size and form of the overhead compartments)

You're really lucky to already have gotten on a Boeing with the new Sky interior!! It looks really nice in my opinion.

Thanks again and I'm waiting for your further trip reports.

Regards,
Departurex


User currently offlineakhmad From Netherlands, joined Sep 2005, 2476 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8461 times:

Dear 717Flyer,

This report is exactly what I have been looking for! A comparison of Blue1 and Norwegian. Informative, well detailed and enjoyable to read! I love it!   


Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
As Norwegian announced a sale in May where they sold flights on this route for only 25 EUR I of course went ahead to book a ticket

Way to go!

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
dishwashers and hair dryers (I guess you got the point)

Yeah, you would have to pay a fortune to get those things onboard!

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
The choice was clear -

The 737-800! Oops, I mean the 717! 


Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 1):
There was many available seats, perhaps indicating a low load on tomorrows flight.

Wow, even emergency exit row seats were available!

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 1):
As I sit down there I see from my watch it took exactly five minutes (!) of my precious time to clear all airport "facilities".

Impressive!

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 1):
first of all kudos to AY and BT for publishing load factors for some flights on Amadeus!)

Really? How cool!

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 1):
OH-BLG is of course a new reg for me and it is my fourth time on the Boeing 717.

Well done!

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 1):
Some of them have tax free bags from Larnaca Airport (self-built connection - hey, that's more like it!)

Did they bring along alcohols inside the bags?

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 1):
"And what's this gentleman in mood for today?"
"Coffee, please"
"And that comes with what?"
"Coffee, sugar, and wisdom words"

He understands my joke and cracks a smile. "You won't get that on other airlines" is his reply
Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 1):
You were on the last MD-90 flight to Zurich, weren't you?" is my question to him.
"I was, and without further questions I'm pretty sure you were too".
"That's true".
I show him my camera and add that "I need to prepare my camera to take some shots of this beautiful plane"
"Yes, please do so. As an extra you can get the crew for the return flight standing in front of the nose"

What a charming purser!

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 1):
Disclaimer: : The muffin pictured on the photo above is not part of the free service on any Blue1 or SAS Group airline

I was about to ask how much did you pay for the muffin! 


Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 1):
Did you know that during the winter there's also an official ice road to Hailuoto?

I believe you!

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 1):
I decide it is time for some food and some delicious reindeer stew fills up nicely

It looks delicious!   


Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 1):
You'd better behave, otherwise Toripolliisi , in English something in style with Bobby of the market , will come and get you

OMG, would he really come to life?

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 2):
A couple of passengers ahead of me in the queue and after about five minutes (of listening to their "why-would-I-have-paid-for-my-baggage-I-won't-do-it-now-either" argument with the check-in agent and "I-pay-it-now-but-will-never-fly-this-airline-ago arguments it is my turn

Some people...   


Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 2):
I felt like turning back and saying "Hey thanks, I got just what I wanted" but I leave it.

You should have done that and see the look of the agent!

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 2):
Anyway, after further discussion the father moves up front to another row.

Were you seated at an emergency exit row?

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 2):
Here we pass by a Boeing 757 of Air Finland, quite a stylish livery if you ask me:

Beautiful livery!

Thanks a lot for sharing and looking forward to your AMS adventure!

Best wishes,
Suryo



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User currently offlineardian From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 544 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day ago) and read 8367 times:

Great report! I liked that part about the coffee with 'wisdom words'. Very witty conversation from you and the purser. I agree with everyone here about the livery of Blue1. It looks smashing on their B717's.

User currently offlineMSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2474 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8188 times:

Hi

Another scandinavian TR. Now this is really making it inviting to make a trip over there myself. Nice trip report, thanks for sharing it with us. Sorry to hear about the staff on your DY flight. Thankfully your KF leg was much better!


Greetings
Marc



Next trip report: Well worn A330s and Hassle free MUC transfer
User currently offline717Flyer From Finland, joined Jun 2011, 303 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7974 times:

Nice to see more replies!

Hi Martin!

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 10):
Well written tripreport, I had a great time reading it.

Thanks, I also had a great time writing it.  
Quoting deltamartin (Reply 10):
Kinda boring that most of the cabincrew on DY's HEL base are estonian, is this temporary or permanent?

As far as I know it is no temporary procedure, just that by hiring (instead of permanent work) non-Finnish workforce they make big savings. And who isn't after money in today's world?

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 10):
The flight on KF looked really nice, i wish their mothercompany SK would give sodas for free too..

Well, doesn't the "1" in the end of the airline name tell you that hey - we're number one, also in the SAS Group. Always one step ahead...  



Terve!

Quoting HELyes (Reply 11):
Thanks for TR!

You're most welcome!

Quoting HELyes (Reply 11):
It seems the main problem with the Estonian crews are their language skills. There could be some cultural differences too, comparing to the super polite Swedes also Finns sound a bit rude sometimes..

It is true what you say, on my last flight with Norwegian (back in April) a couple of Finns buying coffee asked if they can get a free refill, and well, it took some time for the cabin crew to understand what they were asking about.

Quoting HELyes (Reply 11):
Reindeer meat is health food actually, very low fat and nutritious. Reindeer is about the only red meet I eat occasionally, I like the idea these Rudolphs are running semi-wild in the clean arctic nature. But as said, reindeer isn't everyday food outside Lapland, not the cheapest choice really.

Yes, though I think it is plain luxury (perhaps because of the price) and thus the whole experience is ruined if you eat reindeer all too often.

Hi again Alex!

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 12):
I must eat reindeer meat the next time I am in Finland, and make it to Lapland.

Yes, be sure to visit Finland, and do let me know if you start planning, I (as well as the other Finns here) are more than happy to give some advice!

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 12):
I have been to Finland several times and find them reserved - but I wouldn't say rude. But I guess to someone from other parts, it might be construed as such?

True, we Finns are a bit reserved, but once you get to know us, then we're open as what.  

Hello Nils,

Quoting sultanils (Reply 13):
I will do my uttermost best (as usual)  

Wonderful, waiting for the story now!

Quoting sultanils (Reply 13):
That's a long story acctually. I wanted to do another trip to/from HEL. Searching for fares yielded a BRU-HEL-TLL on Blue1 which was actually cheaper than BRU-HEL alone.

If I would have noticed that, wanting to get home from Brussels, I would have gone for it without any doubts, then catching a ferry home from Estonia!

Quoting sultanils (Reply 13):
Then after booking the BT flights I was all set but a few weeks ago Blue1 decided to get rid of the HEL-TLL flight (which by now was still my route 'in theory') and I got an email with a rerouting via CPH to TLL. Not good at all. But after a quick call to the Blue1 service center they rebooked me free of charge on the BRU-HEL service, so I got what I wanted. Is it a bit clear?

Yep, clear as water! Good that getting rebooked was such a smooth procedure.

Hi PH

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 14):
nice report with good pictures! I have flown on both carriers, but I like Blue1 better. Your report confirms that.

Thank you for leaving a comment! And well, good you like the appearance of Blue1 here, they're something of my favorite carrier at the moment.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 14):
How much did it cost?

Oh come on, it's not about price, it's about the experience. And I found 2,50 EUR to be an okay price.

Hi Hannah

Quoting infodesk (Reply 15):
What a great TR. You've really made me chuckle........

Well, nice to hear that someone understands (and appreciates) my humor. Also, if I made you chuckle, then the least I can say that you made me chuckle with your wonderful comments..  
Quoting infodesk (Reply 15):
You might have got a great fare on DY, but I'd far rather pay the extra to get the better service. Sounds like you had a truly fantastic crew on KF with a good sense of humour, makes for such a memorable experience.

Of course it would have been wonderful to fly back with KF also (perhaps catching their ATR 72 operated by Golden Air) but you need to obey the rule of never flying the same airline twice. And travelling on a tight budget...

Quoting infodesk (Reply 15):
Nice to see some photos of the Finnish countryside. That shot of your private beach should be sold to the Finnish Tourist Board to put in their brochures.

Thanks   

Quoting infodesk (Reply 15):
Blimey, what fantastic customer service. Still, at least you did get a window seat.

Well, with such a wonderful service, the risk was pretty big of ending up with an aisle or a middle seat. And as Norwegian does carry full loads, it was a worrying experience waiting to see my boarding pass and what my faith was going to be, if you understand what I mean.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 15):
Nah, I don't believe a word if it. You're only telling us it's your birthday because you want some muffins...........  

Finally, SOMEONE who understands me!   

Quoting infodesk (Reply 15):
Happy flying & happy birthday    (a.net's very own muffin)

Thanks a lot, Hannah. The next report (any muffins there, what do you think?) will be online soon.

Hi 'Departurex'!

Quoting Departurex (Reply 16):
thanks for sharing this interesting report with us.

You're most welcome!

Quoting Departurex (Reply 16):
I think after reading the report I would prefer Blue 1 because of the 717, the nice service and the funny and charming crew!

I can completely agree with you on this. Blue1 has always operated some less-known aircraft types with nice and personal crews, so thumbs up for them!

Quoting Departurex (Reply 16):
It always looks to me like an aircraft chartered in for some time and not painted completely

Well, perhaps Finnair is preparing to cease its operations and thus it will be easy to repaint the aircraft in the livery of another airline?  
Quoting Departurex (Reply 16):
Thanks again and I'm waiting for your further trip reports.

My next installment should be online soon.

Dear Suryo

Quoting akhmad (Reply 17):
This report is exactly what I have been looking for! A comparison of Blue1 and Norwegian. Informative, well detailed and enjoyable to read! I love it!   

Thank you for stopping by, always nice to hear some nice comments.  
Quoting akhmad (Reply 17):
Yeah, you would have to pay a fortune to get those things onboard!

...and some airlines wouldn't mind trying to sell them during the online booking process!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 17):
Did they bring along alcohols inside the bags?

What else than alcohol would Finns returning from a holiday be carrying?
No, just joking, but they really did carry alcohol in addition to some "more healthy" things.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 17):
OMG, would he really come to life?

Well, if you believe hard enough, then who knows?

Quoting akhmad (Reply 17):
You should have done that and see the look of the agent!

On the other hand, if the agent was having a bad day, not being all too excited about her job, who would I have been to leave her such a comment? After all we Finns are very discrete people.  
Quoting akhmad (Reply 17):
Were you seated at an emergency exit row?

That's the most interesting part as I wasn't. Row 24 is a completely regular row, still DY seems to have some kind of restrictions of how many infants can be sitting in the over wing section of the aircraft or close to the emergency exits.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 17):
Beautiful livery!

Yes, but not as beautiful as the one of Blue1...  
Quoting akhmad (Reply 17):
Thanks a lot for sharing and looking forward to your AMS adventure!

The Amsterdam story is on the production line at the moment, should be available soon, you know.
Thanks again for your comments!


Hello Ardian,

Quoting ardian (Reply 18):
Great report!

Thank you for stopping by

Quoting ardian (Reply 18):
I agree with everyone here about the livery of Blue1. It looks smashing on their B717's.

That's true and the fact that every aircraft has its own color scheme is a brilliant idea if you ask me.
The worst thing I've heard them being called is "flying banknotes". I guess you could also see them as that?

Hi Marc,

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 19):
Another scandinavian TR. Now this is really making it inviting to make a trip over there myself.

That's a good idea, be sure to fit in Finland too! And when you're coming (I'm sure you will  ), do let me know.

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 19):
Nice trip report, thanks for sharing it with us.

You're most welcome, thank you for leaving a comment.

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 19):
Sorry to hear about the staff on your DY flight. Thankfully your KF leg was much better!

Even though I wasn't impressed by the service on DY I can not blame them, after all I paid only 25 EUR and thus I have nothing to complain about.

Regards
717Flyer


User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 5170 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7659 times:

Hi, R.,

what a great read.
Both airports are on my map, sure a couple of years ago, so really interesting to follow.

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):

I've seen much of Lapland during my travels and even though many of the cities, like Kemi (Markus and P., there you heard it once again)

Kemi, that sounds interesting, I should go there sometimes!.

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
S. Only one day at home before my birthday. Why are you telling us that, maybe you wonder. Well, because its time for some birthday flying. HEL-AMS-CPH-HEL - hopefully catching a new airline and two new aircraft types for my own log. I can reveal already here that everything didn't go completely according to plans...

Hey, looking forward to that experience.

And well, with both airlines done only a couple of weeks ago, count me in for Blue 1!.

Greetings,
Markus(FLIEGER67)



Next: Capital travel on schedule!.
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6811 posts, RR: 77
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7578 times:

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 20):
Oh come on, it's not about price, it's about the experience. And I found 2,50 EUR to be an okay price.

Yes, of course. That's why I often buy something even if I'm not really hungry. But it's interesting to know what all these carriers charge.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7546 times:
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First of all thanks for interesting report!

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
"We need to reseat you!"
"Why?"
"We r-e-s-e-a-t you!"
"Alright, I understand, but why? I want to keep an aisle seat"
(causes some quick text to another Estonian crew member, a look at the father inbetween. All I understand is English words such as "overwing" and "limit".)
I guess the cabin crew limited english skills would work well during an emergency  Wow!
Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
Who is nr. 1?
It's up to you - please leave leave your opinion in this matter!

For me as an MD fan, it have to be KF just because of the MD95 (B717) 
Though even without the MD I still think KF looks like the better airline here and I really look forward to my first flights with them this October  



2-3-2 is NOT a premium configuration
User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1714 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7446 times:

Hey 717Flyer, thanks for the interesting report.

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
There was many available seats, perhaps indicating a low load on tomorrows flight. I picked 8A:

Interesting that you picked 8A when 2A was available, didn't know that premium was offered on domestics either.

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
You got to thank Lufthansa for writing the aircraft type and name so clearly, surely makes the job of an aircraft spotter much, much easier.

Hehe, well spotting an A320 is a child's play anyway  .

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
"Come on there, don't be shy, good afternoon, hi you, welcome onboard". Not a single person gets the same greeting.

Now that's the way you want to be greeted when entering the aircraft. Much better then my recent experience on AF.

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
Service is free soft drinks. Soon our purser reaches my row.

Soft drinks, seriously? Did that include coke, fanta, etc or only water and OJ? Seems like the service on KF just keep getting better and better .

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
The muffin pictured on the photo above is not part of the free service on any Blue1 or SAS Group airline.

Interesting, so was this muffin purchased from the BOB or provided for free as a kind gesture from the jolly purser?

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
"Then, could it be possible to have a window seat behind the wing?"
"No".
"Excuse me?"
"Here is your boarding pass, boarding at 11.25, be there then"

That has happened to me too a couple of times when flying DY. For some reason the staff are very reluctant to granting seat requests. Either plain silliness or maybe they want people to purchase their seat assignments in advance.

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
Here we are, entering the new Boeing Sky Interior (note the size and form of the overhead compartments):

Sky interior looks really nice. I'm not a big fan of the 737, mainly due to its dull interior (don't like the square shape of the windows). But I must say with this new interior I'd might start liking this type more.

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
What's interesting is the "Value: EUR 6/NOK 49" stated in the upper corner of the magazine - hey, I'm going to nick it no matter of its value.

Huh, doubt there's that much value to that piece of poorly written piece of litterature. Wonder if they crew would've forced you to pay that price if they noticed you nicking it  .

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
She doesn't understand my joke - just stares at me, "Norwegian has no business class, I'm not reseating you".

Jeez, can't they understand a little sarcasm...

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
Our purser starts a frantic search in the trolley, but doesn't find a muffin. She's deeply sorry, but no muffin.

That's too bad since the muffins on DY are really good.

Quoting 717Flyer (Thread starter):
Who is nr. 1?
It's up to you - please leave leave your opinion in this matter!

I must say actually that KF are the clear winner in this battle. With the fare difference not being too big between them and DY, those extra € are money well spent since KF offer much better value for the money. To me it seems like KF are top of the line when it comes to service, in the SAS Group. I wouldn't actually mind trying them out soon on ARN-HEL, since fares are really cheap. Also a good chance to catch the B717  

Thanks for sharing
//Jonas



SAS Plus is Business Class made faux!
25 Post contains images 717Flyer : Another portion of replies, thank you guys! Hi all, you're most welcome, glad you liked the report! Well, I guess the only way to understand it is to
26 Post contains images OA260 : Hey great report and thanks for the seat map pic love those I keep seeing these B717 reports and I really am envious Need to get on one . Regards OA26
27 Post contains images 717Flyer : Hi OA260, thanks for your comments! You're not alone - I do like seat maps too. It's such a shame there's no decent B717 seat map online, but hopefull
28 PlaneHunter : Of course - don't get me wrong. I'm only interested in the price so that I can find out whether the BOB offerings are expensive or cheap in compariso
29 Post contains images 717Flyer : Apparently you didn't understand my joke. Of course I understand you're interested in the price level (I would be too) - but flying on the 717, high
30 parton87 : Hello 717Flyer! Thanks for the story. Nice to see a comparison between DY/KF and KF definitely looks like the winner there! I agree! :D My experience
31 Post contains images 717Flyer : Hi Robert, nice to see your comments! You're most welcome! My opinion also. Nice! When was your last 717 experience? Regards, 717Flyer
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