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Off To Sweden: AMS-CPH-LPI / Cimber, Nextjet & KLM  
User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4207 posts, RR: 51
Posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8579 times:

Off to Sweden: AMS-CPH-LPI on Cimber, Nextjet & KLM


Hi dear a.netters!

I was off flying again lately. This time up North, to catch up the for me still missing Saab 340. It is for me quite difficult to get on it in combination with just a daytrip, therefore I was delighted to see AF-KLM offering the special Flying Blue discounted tickets on the LPI flights, now available for just 6250 miles oneway. With a well timed evening departure to AMS, and my knowledge about an excisting Saab 340 service on Nextjet from Copenhagen to Örebro in Sweden, with an enroute stop at Linköping. Let's see if I can manage to get an affordable itinerary.
Well, I knew only about my free time just 3 weeks before, with most tickets at higher fares. Still I was smiling with a low fare on Cimber Sterling on their relatively 'new' route from AMS. Now my hope was also for the little ATR-42 prop but this turned out to be a flight on their CRJ-200. Definitely not my favourite type, but I'll do with it, and since these also become more rare around Europe in these days, quite welcome also.

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Credits to GC Mapper


A good friend of me preseated me on my desired seat, she works at the handking agent for Cimber Sterling in AMS. Well, online check-in is not available on this flight, so I had to be at the airport a bit early.

Thursday August 11, 2011

My alarm bell rings at 07:20, on time to help myself with a quick breakfast and I had to give some food to the cat from our neighbours. It was nearly 08:30 when I took the direct bus towards the airport. Not much later I arrived and went up to departure lounge 1, desk 6, which is were 3 counters were opened for my flight to CPH. Friendly staff here, and I was advised to be at the gate early since it was a bus-gate.

AMS Departure lounge 1


Meanwhile I noted that Martijn had blocked the seat next to me also, thanks for that! He works also for the same groundhandling agency and was able to do this for me. Really welcome on the small CRJ.

Security check was not too busy this morning, so served immediatly. Although this time, they found the need to get my bag opened for additional checks of all my camera equipment and electronics. A first for me, and it doesn't make me happy (new stricter rules again?!). Anyway, the officer was friendly, and I just had to deal with it.

A while later I got a message from Martijn; he was working on the LH flight (not really working, his A321 was basically empty), so we agreed to hae a small meet at gate B35, no problem since my own gate was B03, nearby anyway.

It’s morning rush hour. Nice to see the Air Astana 767 from Kazachstan


Many European flights on the B-gates


We had a nice talk about Martijns intention to ge on the A300 at some stage, maybe something to plan together since I would like to give it another go also.
When he had to leave to get the LH flight out I walked to my gate also, where boarding (the bus) started at 10:03.

It seems that my aircraft is arriving from CPH


Let’s go downstairs to my gate


B-gates lower level (bus-gates)


AMS-CPH
STD10:30 ATD10:27
STA11:55 ATA11:33
A/C: OY-RJJ (Bombardier CRJ-200ER)
S/N: 02A (Single class/Y)


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A total of 32 passengers on my flight, out of 50 available seats, so boarding took only minutes. The bus brought us to the remote position where the expected CRJ200 was waiting.

Welcomed by the single female flight supervisor, notmthe youngest lady around and also not too friendly this morning. She seemed to be a strict 'listen to me' character type, and some younger guys on board would experience that themselves later...
So, safety demo was done, very quickly for my liking, especially compared to my recent easyJet experience. During this demo, the FA was annoyed by sound of music coming from one of these guys on row 4, and she rudely told them to turn it off (second warning apparently). We taxied out after the flight attendant notified the cockpit crew about the situation in her cabin. Then, she seated herself on seat 1C, so I was not able to grab my camera since she would've noticed for sure. Luckily when the takeoff signal was heard she changed to the crewseat (backwards on the cockpit door).

I was able to make pictures from this moment. Lining up the runway!


KLM’s B777-200ER ‘hold short’


Takeoff was powerfull and quiet, mainly because my forward seat of course. A righthand turn "Spykerboor departure SID" was performed and we climbed to somewhat higher levels. Although, I cannot say which level we cruised, since there was no information from the front office so far.

Airborne! View in the direction of Aalsmeer


Climbing out of runway 24 on a SPYxx departure


During the cruise to CPH, the buy-on-board menu was on sale, but expensive for my liking (e.g. EUR 3.50 for coffee). Also it was urgently requested to pay by creditcard only since the amount of cash on board was very limited. Not really an issue probably, I noticed only 3 people making a purchase.

After this, nothing else happened and my sights out of the window were boring also, with only a white carpet of clouds below me for the complete duration of this flight.

Legroom on Cimber Sterlin CRJ-200


Your IFE from the seatpocket is a safety card and the magazine ‘Fly Away’


Cabin view from my seat in row 2 (forward facing)


Cabin view on the CRJ-200 from the back of the cabin facing forward


Finally during descend, some shory info from the pilots. It was the weather forecast which they better kept for themselves: rain, 13°C. Not really summer in Denmark either, so it seems.

Final approach at CPH


Landing was on runway 04R in rain, with the SQ 772 waiting for her takeoff back to Singapore. We had a smooth touchdown though despite these conditions, followed by a real short taxiing to remote stand no. 91. A bus was arriving soon after our early arrival and delivered us at the terminal within minutes.

Disembarking on the apron. Handluggage items could be picked up from the cart


OY-RJJ close-up. Bye bye!


At CPH, I made my way upstairs to "flight transfers". My next flight on Nextjet was handled by SAS, so they could take care for check-in and my boarding pass. Online check-in was not possible for this flight. A friendly male agent took care of my request (requesting row 1 or 3, for pictures) and advised about free seating policy on my flight. I would take care about this myself I thought.

Flight Transfer Handling desks


Way back to the central area. Nice design!


During my 2 hour stay in CPH no chance to catch a lounge, but a text message with my good friend and fellow tripreporter "the FlyingFinn" (also in Denmark at that time), cleared up the login codes for free WiFi (thanks, SAS), so I was able to do some updates online.

CPH terminal


CPH terminal


After that I enjoyed some looks around in the great terminal and had a coffee with a delicious raspberry cake at Starbucks. Btw, staff was really kind, well done. Paid with my Amex, pincode Sir? Yes, I have. Great, go ahead. In the end I've to sign anyway...strange.


Boarding gate C05


Half an hour before departure time I went to my gate, C05. Nobody around but the SAS groundstaffs arrive a few minutes later. Boarding started immediately, and finally we have a load of 10+1 (infant). Not full at all, even not for a small Saab 340!
A large bus brought us to the remote parking spot where I found the expected Saab 340, a type I was looking for since a long time!

Some big ones on the ground in CPH


The Saab 340 waiting for my flight to LPI and ORB


I quickly snapped a picture and went up, in the mood for my desired seat.
I was friendly greeted by a female cabin crew and told to take a seat behind row 7, for weight and balance reasons. Not amused actually, but no choice. Except the 2 last boarders, who were allowed in the forward part of the cabin.

CPH-LPI
STD13:55 ATD13:49
STA15:05 ATA14:49
A/C: SE-LMR (Saab 340)
S/N: 07F (Single class/Y)


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Doors closed really early of course, and a safety demo was given without voice. The single FA on board showed how to use the seatbelt, oxygen mask and life vest, afterwards checking the cabin. Meanwhile the engines were fired up and running, and by own power we taxied out to runway 04R again.

Rain was still pouring down, not giving me good photo opportunaties.

Taxiing to the runway. An LX A320 from ZRH seen arriving



Takeoff was nice, a very short roll till airborne on this nearly empty aircraft. Some last views on CPH but soon we dissappeared in the low clouds. And, we would not get out anytime soon! That annoyed me a bit, knowing that the weather would be crap and the Saab 340 wouldn’t climb to real good altitudes to get out of it.

Airborne and on my way to Sweden now...



Legroom and safety card


Cabin view


During the flight a buy-on-board service was performed, although nowhere prices to be found. It wasn’t told either, at least, not in English but I think not at all. I saw 1 passenger buying coffee, and I think that the FA did a complimentary refill.

Blue sky ahead of us?


Then suddenly a moment of open sky was ahead, somewhere over Sweden. I quickly made some pictures and went up from my seat to make a few pictures from seat 01A, after an OK from the FA. During my picture taking, the FA was enjoying her time with the infant and her mother, also among the passengers. Really kind attention and the child was laughing instead of crying. Way to go!

At least much better conditions to take a picture now


Although I got really surprised when the FA took the mother and child to the cockpit, opened the door and let them in (door was open for about 5 minutes), and the flightcrew was chatting and playing a bit with the child. Of course, it’s not a big deal, but when they finished I asked the FA to have a look (during flight), but was quickly told that they were not allowed to open the cockpit during flight. Interesting isn’t it? So, I asked if it’s ok to have a look after landing, to make a picture if they were fine about it, but also that was denied, since photography of the cockpit is officially forbidden due to many electric systems there. Completely nonsense, but what can I do about it. Sorry, no pics from the frontoffice today for you...

Then, clouds returned and we started a descend to Linköping. When we got below the cloud layer, a few glimpses on the nice Swedish landscape were visible before we turned in for finals to runway 29, the airports single runway here. Touchdown was really smooth and we rolled out towards the small apron.

Approaching LPI


It was advised that the groundstay at LPI would be 10 minutes and the passengers to ORB could stay onboard. It was clear to me that the majority was leaving here though and only 2 passengers would remain on board. This flight does not accept new passengers from LPI, so it’s just an offloading airport here.

I went off, was said goodbye, made a few pictures in a relaxed way before entering the terminal building of Linköping City Airport.

The Saab 340 after I left, on the ground for a few minutes in LPI


There was actually a baggage belt immediately after entering the building, a really small area with the green and red lane to enter Sweden. After my observations there I entered Sweden and met with fellow member and tripreporter Jonas (LH4116). He still had holidays so was able to enjoy a long trainride to the city and meet up with me for a while at this airport. We had a chat and a beer (thanks for that!), in the airport bar/cafe upstairs. It’s a small place, but well kept with good views on the empty apron and unused runways. Yes, because aside from my the Nextjet flight I had and my next leg back to Amsterdam, it seems no other traffic at this airport.

Airport building from the parking area in front of it


Check-In area at LPI


We went outside to make a few pictures of my incoming Fokker 70. Next to the terminal building is a fence through which I was able to see it taxiing in after landing. After making a few pictures we went inside the building to say goodbye to eachother.
But before this, I was stopped from behind by some security guy. He talked in Swedish to me, to which I replied that I didn’t speak his language so he could speak English to me instead. This man pointed out that photography was forbidden at LPI due to the SAAB facilities at/around this airport. I told him that it was nonsense and I only pictured the KLM aircraft I was going to fly on, but he insisted about the rules and I should’ve known since it was stated on signage. It could be me, but I did not see, read or smell any signs about this, and also didn’t expect this from a free country like Sweden. Anyway, there was no choice for me left then to delete the pictures made in LPI, keeping in mind that SAAB is partly owner of the airport. I deleted only the Fokker 70 of course... Actually I was surprised that he was ok with that and left. So after this I said goodbye to Jonas and went to the small security checkpoint which was hassle free of course.

When I arrived in the waiting lounge, which is small too, I saw ‘my’ Saab 340 on her way back to CPH. Plus the F70 on the apron. Of course I felt free to picture these moments again, and did not experience any troubles. In the lounge were about 35 passengers for the KLM flight to Amsterdam. Not a good load at all, but at least, good for me since it gives me a more comfortable flight.

Not so many people for my flight to AMS


Boarding was announced for Elite passengers at 16:50, well on time. Boardingpass was checked and then I was free to go and walk to the aircraft. Onboard I was friendly greeted by a female flightattendant and halfway by another one.
I noticed that there are no newspapers for me during boarding.

Boarding my Fokker 70 for AMS


Boarding of the other passengers went quick also and meanwhile I explored my seat in row 16. It’s the best seat for an aviation geek, just in between the engine and the wings. Legroom was just ok, not great but good enough for shorter flights. Cabin layout is as on all these Fokkers in a 2-3 seating. The KLM interior was in a well kept condition, seats were of blue cloth with blue leather headrest covers.

LPI-AMS
STD17:10 ATD17:20
STA19:00 ATA19:06
A/C: PH-KZB (Fokker 70)
S/N: 16A (Economy class/Y)


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Around the expected departure time we got welcomed by the crew informing us about a delay caused by ATC. Our arrival in Amsterdam would be in a busy moment and therefore we could not leave on our schedule (interesting... with 2 arrival runways in use at AMS). According my knowledge, this explanation could not be correct. Especially since we were ready on time. Anyway, about 10 minutes delay was announced.
Doors were closed and meanwhile the crew performed the safety demo, so these 10 minutes passed quickly enough and engines were started at 17:20 as promised. And, that means that it got quite noisy around my seat (if you want a quiet cabin, make sure to be seated as much forward as possible!). We taxied out and about 20 seconds later we arrived at runway 11 for takeoff. The cockpit crew advised the cabin to be seated now, and just seconds later we started our takeoff roll on the 2,120 meters long runway.

Goodbye to Linköping


Airborne from runway 11


Takeoff was as expected interesting again and after we were airborne, a sharp righthand turn was performed to get headed to the Southwest. We climbed further to 34,000 feet for our cruise. This was informed by the captain just after takeoff. Also our flight would take 1 hour and 35 minutes.


Turning right...


... and above the clouds


When we levelled off, the crew performed their service, and handed out a ‘trattoria’ sandwich pack, plus offered drinks. I got a white wine and some mineral water. The sandwiches were a bit dry taste, one was with chicken filet, the other with egg-salad. Nothing really ‘special’ to be honest.

Sandwich mealservice as usual on KLM’s European flights


The flight continued over Sweden and Denmark, both covered by thick layer of clouds. Since I was a bit thirsty, I notified the crew and requested a coke, delivered to me in a small 150ml
can.

Seat 16A is the best one in the house tonight!


In the seatpocket the ‘Holland Herald’ magazine



My seat and legroom (seat 16A)


Cabin View on PH-KZB


About 45 minutes before landing another service round was done, with coffee and tea. Also the small caramel biscuit was handed out. I was very surprised though, to see that the crew did not bother to ask me for cofee or tea. They just placed the cookie on my table. Why did they do this to me? Because I had the coke before and they judged that I was not worth it to receive another drink? Anyway, it was interesting to see this mistake, and I found it very unprofessional.

Another info came from the flightdeck, informing about the weather in Amsterdam. According the captain this was less good then in Linköping. Temperature was 17ºC, low clouds and visibility and light rain. Not something I want in August, but it seems routine for our region this year. The crew expected arrival with ‘only’ 5 minutes delay, and landing would be on runway 18C.

Approaching to Amsterdam. Hello clouds again!


Approach was already in progress when the cabincrew was advised to prepare for landing. Still, I didn’t see anything but clouds. Landing was a few minutes later indeed, on the expected runway 18C. This meant that taxitime would be short, and indeed a few minutes later we parked on B53, a remote position on the commuter apron.

Landed! Back at AMS...


A bus was standing by and drove us to the arrivals hall, very convenient actually and just minutes later I was out of the building (I had no luggage with me of course).

All together I can conclude this day to be a successfull one. Cimber Air was OK, they did the job to bring me to CPH for a good price, and flying the CR2 is interesting but not very pleasant either. Crew could’ve been friendler on Cimber.
NextJet was main goal and achieved to score the Saab 340 now. A good flight, and I really like these aircraft. I was just unlucky with the weather so not really good for pictures. Maybe I should try to book another flight on this type some day (and I think I will).
KLM was very reasonable, thank you for the good campaign offer. Thanks to them I was able to make this trip fitting in one day. I missed newspapers on KLM, also I missed coffee/tea. Don’t forget to ask me next time, because I think it does not fit the product they want to offer.
The sandwiches look good in the package, but tasted a bit dry. Maybe it’s time for an update on your European catering? I’ve seen enough ‘trattoria’ with KLM now, and prefer LH’s variating catering concept much more these days.

Next: another Scandinavian story, this time to Norway with some less interesting metal but interesting route for me. Now, I can only hope for better weather!

Thanks for reading and you know, your comments are mostly welcome and appreciated.

Have a good flight!

Eric


"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
44 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26509 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8541 times:

Hey Eric,
Great report and lovely photos as usual. Nice routing also . That SK A340 pic makes me want to take a long haul with them   .

Real pain when security take out all your stuff but what can you do !


Look forward to the Norway report.

Regards

Philip  



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User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3760 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8410 times:

Cool report!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
It could be me, but I did not see, read or smell any signs about this, and also didn’t expect this from a free country like Sweden.

I agree that signs should be posted in more visible and obvious areas if they expect such a rule to be followed. But LPI is the location of the JAS 39 Gripen's assembly, and though I have no idea whatsoever what kind of classified bits of whatever that entails (if any), a ban on photography of the airfield doesn't seem all that unlikely nor unreasonable.

Thanks for a good read.

Cheers
Mats



Sure, we're concerned for our lives. Just not as concerned as saving 9 bucks on a roundtrip to Ft. Myers.
User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4207 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8365 times:

Hi guys,

thanks for reading and your reply  
Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
Great report and lovely photos as usual. Nice routing also .

Somewhat different this time... so I thought

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
That SK A340 pic makes me want to take a long haul with them

Oh yes, me too. I love A340's and longhaul on SAS is also for me quite interesting.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
Look forward to the Norway report.

I'm off in a few hours, report online next week, hopefully!

Quoting Doona (Reply 2):
Cool report!

Thanks Mats.

Quoting Doona (Reply 2):
But LPI is the location of the JAS 39 Gripen's assembly, and though I have no idea whatsoever what kind of classified bits of whatever that entails (if any), a ban on photography of the airfield doesn't seem all that unlikely nor unreasonable.

Thanks for this good informations. I actually didn't check it myself what happened at this airport. Upon landing I noticed a Swedish Airforce Gulfstream and military SF340 parked further away, but that was completely out of sight from the passenger area. I think they shouldn't be too strict to passengers though, since you really can't see something special from that area except the Fokker 70 I had on picture (even zoomed in). On the other hand -when signage is clear stated- I will try to obey those rules of course. But as said, they should mark it in a better way then.

Regards
Eric



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1709 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8250 times:

Hey Eric, nice that you managed to get the report up so fast!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I was delighted to see AF-KLM offering the special Flying Blue discounted tickets on the LPI flights, now available for just 6250 miles oneway.

That's a great offer! How much did you pay in taxes?

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Although this time, they found the need to get my bag opened for additional checks of all my camera equipment and electronics.

Yeah, that has happened to me a couple of times, don't like it a bit!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
During this demo, the FA was annoyed by sound of music coming from one of these guys on row 4, and she rudely told them to turn it off (second warning apparently).

Lol, they had their speakers on? Now that's really annoying, so the FA clearly did a good job  
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
During the cruise to CPH, the buy-on-board menu was on sale, but expensive for my liking (e.g. EUR 3.50 for coffee).

Bad to hear QI going BOB, perhaps it must've had something to do with their SAS partnership.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Paid with my Amex, pincode Sir? Yes, I have. Great, go ahead. In the end I've to sign anyway...strange.

Why did they ask for both your pin-code and signature? Something I've never experienced either.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
and finally we have a load of 10+1 (infant).
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Really kind attention and the child was laughing instead of crying. Way to go!

Nice that the crew did a good job by not letting this child screwing up your SF340 experience.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Of course, it’s not a big deal, but when they finished I asked the FA to have a look (during flight), but was quickly told that they were not allowed to open the cockpit during flight. Interesting isn’t it?

Hmm, now I'm starting to believe she did not do a good job. A child is a much bigger hazard to the safety then a camera...

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
He still had holidays so was able to enjoy a long trainride to the city and meet up with me for a while at this airport.

Hehe, yes that whole trip with the trainrides, etc took longer than all your flights. If it wasn't for the holidays I would've called this a waste of time  
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
We had a chat and a beer (thanks for that!), in the airport bar/cafe upstairs.

It's only fair since you paid for dinner last time   Hope you and P didn't make a bet or something this time 
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
It could be me, but I did not see, read or smell any signs about this, and also didn’t expect this from a free country like Sweden.

I only saw a sign at the entrance to the airport, by the parking lot, a.k.a construction site. Didn't pay much attention for it since I thought it was for the site.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
The sandwiches were a bit dry taste, one was with chicken filet, the other with egg-salad. Nothing really ‘special’ to be honest.

Looks pretty generous to me, at least better then the overpriced BOB you had on your earlier flights.  
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I was very surprised though, to see that the crew did not bother to ask me for cofee or tea. They just placed the cookie on my table. Why did they do this to me?

This happened to men also when I flew back from AMS back in 09, we had requested two extra bottles of wine, but when the coffee round was done they didn't serve us any coffee either, only the cookie. I think this must be standard procedure on KLM, bad IMHO.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
The sandwiches look good in the package, but tasted a bit dry. Maybe it’s time for an update on your European catering? I’ve seen enough ‘trattoria’ with KLM now,

Ah, yes the trattoria have been around since 10 years back. I remember back in the days when they served full hot meals + a pre-arrival ice cream on ARN-AMS back in the 90's  

Thanks for sharing!
//Jonas



SAS Plus is Business Class made faux!
User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8151 times:

Hi Eric,

great tripreport about your trip to Sweden!

I haven't tried the Saab 340 but i have flown the Saab 2000, nice little aircraft, to bad Saab is out of the commercial airliner business.

I've never been to LPI, but somehow I imagined it would be smaller. Seems like a nice regional airport though judging by your pictures.

Martin


User currently offlineBAViscount From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2338 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8122 times:

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
It is for me quite difficult to get on it in combination with just a daytrip, therefore I was delighted to see AF-KLM offering the special Flying Blue discounted tickets on the LPI flights, now available for just 6250 miles oneway.

Is there anywhere left in the world that KL doesn't fly to?! I've lost track of the number of trip reports I've read, to some of the most remote and far-flung corners of the earth and nine times out of ten there'll be a photo of a KLM aircraft on the tarmac!! 

Nice report, good that you finally got to catch the SAAB!

Cheers.

Andy.



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User currently offline767747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1882 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8028 times:
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Nice report, Eric!

My girlfriend and I are headed to CPH in a few weeks, so it was nice to see your report about that airport. We're looking forward to our trip very much.

Cimber Air looks like a nice little airline !

Thanks for sharing!

Matthew


User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4207 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8009 times:

Hi guys thanks for you your replies!

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
nice that you managed to get the report up so fast!

You know, I've more coming up and I have to speed it up a bit now...

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
How much did you pay in taxes?

About 50 euro's iirc.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
Lol, they had their speakers on?

Bad earplugs, and volume too loud.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
Bad to hear QI going BOB, perhaps it must've had something to do with their SAS partnership

Last year, QI was already BOB. I think they do good business especially on their 737 flights to the sunny destinations

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
Why did they ask for both your pin-code and signature? Something I've never experienced either.

Happened to me before in Greece I think. Don't know why. I don't care either to be honest 
Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
A child is a much bigger hazard to the safety then a camera...

Exactly my opinion

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
Hehe, yes that whole trip with the trainrides, etc took longer than all your flights. If it wasn't for the holidays I would've called this a waste of time

It's never a waste of time to have an a.net meet with me  
Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
Hope you and P didn't make a bet or something this time

Did we  
Quoting deltamartin (Reply 5):
I only saw a sign at the entrance to the airport, by the parking lot, a.k.a construction site. Didn't pay much attention for it since I thought it was for the site.

So, I couldn't see this signage since I didn't enter the airport (I never left actually). But there was no room for discussion anyway... Who cares. It's an interesting thing to note for future travellers.

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 5):
I haven't tried the Saab 340 but i have flown the Saab 2000, nice little aircraft, to bad Saab is out of the commercial airliner business.

Indeed very sad. SAAB props always had a special place with me for some reason, and I like the design, plus the SF340 is an interesting plane with about 30 seats (not a lot competition). Saab 2000 done here as well, on Crossair many years ago.

Quoting BAViscount (Reply 6):
Is there anywhere left in the world that KL doesn't fly to?!

Uhh, yes I can tell you many. But indeed, KLM has an interesting network to Scandinavia. Also Norwegian airports see a lot of Dutch blue metal.

Quoting 767747 (Reply 7):
My girlfriend and I are headed to CPH in a few weeks, so it was nice to see your report about that airport. We're looking forward to our trip very much.

Looking forward to the tripreport!

Quoting 767747 (Reply 7):
Cimber Air looks like a nice little airline !

Indeed they are. Also operating ATR42/72's and a few B737-700's for longer sectors to the Med.

Regards
Eric



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlinewheretonext From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7967 times:

Hey Eric!

Great trip report! I'm envious of your Fokker experience... they are becoming increasingly rare to take a ride on. Cimber's nondescript livery makes that CRJ2 look like a private jet from the outside.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Cabin view on the CRJ-200 from the back of the cabin facing forward

It's true what they say about cameras. It adds 10 pounds to people... and makes the CRJ twice as big  

I enjoyed reading! Thanks for writing!

-Matt



Next Adventure: TBD
User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6408 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7867 times:

Hi Eric!

Very nice report with nice pictues ! The CRJ looks very wide with your fish-eye lens! I'm not a fan of the CRJ-200 either but at least the flight wasn't too long. Perhaps a new airline for you flying QI.

The Saab 340 is okay for a small aircraft and even better that it wasn't too full. I flew BMA-VBY-BNA in 1990 on a SF3 with Skyways so a long time ago.

LPI looks like a nice small airport and I'm very surprised that WA flies there! Very impressive to get two sandwiches for free and they look very good. Very amazing with a second serivce on that relatively short flight but too bad they didn;t offer you coffee or tea. Legroom looks REALLY tight, almost like the old F.29s on Linjeflyg (LF).

Nice also to meet up with another A.netter at LPI. Doesn't happen too often to me here.

All in all. looks like a very nice day trip where you made another aircraft type and met up with a friend.

Looking forward to your next report!

The777Man

[Edited 2011-08-16 00:14:45]


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User currently onlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2359 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7823 times:

Hi, nice TR!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
This time up North, to catch up the for me still missing Saab 340. It is for me quite difficult to get on it in combination with just a daytrip,



Unbelievable, are you serious?!  
Just kidding, but the only reason to go north (at least for me) is to fly Nextjet's ATP... Have you already scored this a/c type?!
Well, off-topic, but in the past OLT flew from Hamburg to Bremen vv. twice daily on Saab340/Saab200- a ride of only 25minutes!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Cimber Sterling on their relatively 'new' route from AMS.



Very, very strange! ThanX for this info! I only associated the CI CRJ ops with code share SAS flights e.g. to HAM. Never thought that CI operates the CRJ on their "own" on European routes... Lesson learned!


User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4207 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7719 times:

Hello from TRD right now!

Quoting wheretonext (Reply 9):
Great trip report! I'm envious of your Fokker experience... they are becoming increasingly rare to take a ride on.

Thanks! Yes the F70's are becoming rare but still easy to catch on KLM.

Quoting wheretonext (Reply 9):
Cimber's nondescript livery makes that CRJ2 look like a private jet from the outside.

Haha, not really from the inside then  
Quoting The777Man (Reply 10):
Very nice report with nice pictues ! The CRJ looks very wide with your fish-eye lens! I'm not a fan of the CRJ-200 either but at least the flight wasn't too long. Perhaps a new airline for you flying QI.

Thank you. QI was not a new airline for me, I flew them last year from Bornholm to Copenhagen on the ATR-72.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 10):
I flew BMA-VBY-BNA in 1990 on a SF3 with Skyways so a long time ago.

Really interesting. BMA is an airport I want to use in the future also.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 10):
Very impressive to get two sandwiches for free and they look very good. Very amazing with a second serivce on that relatively short flight but too bad they didn;t offer you coffee or tea

KLM service is well kept with interesting items indeed.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 10):
Legroom looks REALLY tight, almost like the old F.29s on Linjeflyg (LF).

F28's I assume? That would be nice to get a ride on too!

Quoting debonair (Reply 11):
Unbelievable, are you serious?

Ah yes, almost haha. It's rather difficult then, but BE could've been an option also.

Quoting debonair (Reply 11):
Just kidding, but the only reason to go north (at least for me) is to fly Nextjet's ATP... Have you already scored this a/c type?!

Not yet logged, but it's on my planning table indeed, probably during this winter.

Quoting debonair (Reply 11):
I only associated the CI CRJ ops with code share SAS flights e.g. to HAM. Never thought that CI operates the CRJ on their "own" on European routes... Lesson learned!

The flights to AMS also see the ATR-72 regularly, sometimes ATR-42 on weekends flights. And often competitive fares with SK and DY!

Regards
Eric



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3037 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7683 times:

Nice report!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Although I got really surprised when the FA took the mother and child to the cockpit, opened the door and let them in (door was open for about 5 minutes), and the flightcrew was chatting and playing a bit with the child. Of course, it’s not a big deal, but when they finished I asked the FA to have a look (during flight), but was quickly told that they were not allowed to open the cockpit during flight. Interesting isn’t it? So, I asked if it’s ok to have a look after landing, to make a picture if they were fine about it, but also that was denied, since photography of the cockpit is officially forbidden due to many electric systems there. Completely nonsense, but what can I do about it. Sorry, no pics from the frontoffice today for you...

I hope you pointed out the hypocriticalness of the situation!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Not so many people for my flight to AMS

Looks like a nice waiting area in LPI.



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User currently offlinephotophil From Germany, joined Apr 2011, 196 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7639 times:

Ha, at least one other TR about Linköping. the i am no longer the only one  

I live in Linköping so you will still get some more reports about that on ein future. (You can also have a look on the reports I already posted here somewhere)

Concerning the destinations: There are only these two flights offered from LPI: CPH by nextJet and AMS operated by KLM. But be happy that you still got the F70. From October on KLM will operate this route with E190.

PHILIP



300-310-319-320-321-332-342-343-388-717-734-735-736-73H-738-744-74M-752-76E-77W-F70-100-E70-E75-E90-E95-AT4-AT7-CR2-CR9-
User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4207 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7593 times:

Hi again and thanks for reading!

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 13):
I hope you pointed out the hypocriticalness of the situation!

No, making an argument about this onboard and during a flight could make it a bigger issue, for me it wasn't a big deal, but it would've been a nice extra.

Quoting photophil (Reply 14):
Ha, at least one other TR about Linköping. the i am no longer the only one

Yah I do remember your report, I just had to make this trip after reading it 
Quoting photophil (Reply 14):
I live in Linköping so you will still get some more reports about that on ein future.

Looking forward to that, although not much variety it seems  
Quoting photophil (Reply 14):
There are only these two flights offered from LPI: CPH by nextJet and AMS operated by KLM. But be happy that you still got the F70. From October on KLM will operate this route with E190.

For me, the E90 would've been nice also, since I love those Ejets. But the F70 is a bit more special these days, for me not 'new' either. I prefer to have some more Saab flights though.

Regards
Eric



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlinephotophil From Germany, joined Apr 2011, 196 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7522 times:

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 15):
Yah I do remember your report, I just had to make this trip after reading it

and now its my fault ... 
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 15):
Looking forward to that, although not much variety it seems

depends on the connection flights. But yes - the variety here from LPI is small

PHILIP



300-310-319-320-321-332-342-343-388-717-734-735-736-73H-738-744-74M-752-76E-77W-F70-100-E70-E75-E90-E95-AT4-AT7-CR2-CR9-
User currently offlineamsspot From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7495 times:

Hoi Eric!

Great review and beautiful pictures. I like your Fokker 70 shots best.
I found it really nice to read about you Nextjet Saab 340 experience as I will be flying that plane next week from Bromma to Östersund. Shame you were not able to get a seat on one of the front rows. Are these rows really the best for photographing? And what is the noise like? Also, where was the flight attendant seated during take off and landing?

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 12):
Quoting debonair (Reply 11):
Just kidding, but the only reason to go north (at least for me) is to fly Nextjet's ATP... Have you already scored this a/c type?!

Not yet logged, but it's on my planning table indeed, probably during this winter.

See you this winter in Lapland. :-P

Best regards,
Miles

[Edited 2011-08-16 06:40:36]

User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4207 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7421 times:

Hoi Miles,

Quoting amsspot (Reply 17):
Great review and beautiful pictures. I like your Fokker 70 shots best.

Thanks!

Quoting amsspot (Reply 17):
I found it really nice to read about you Nextjet Saab 340 experience as I will be flying that plane next week from Bromma to Östersund. Shame you were not able to get a seat on one of the front rows. Are these rows really the best for photographing? And what is the noise like? Also, where was the flight attendant seated during take off and landing?

Interesting! It seems that I was not the only one looking after this type. NextJet has free seating on the SF3. F/A is opposite of row 1, so no photography during the critical flight phases from those seats. Row 2 has no or a misaligned window, don't take it.
As on my flight, maybe you have to take specific seats on orders from the crew, due weight and balance reasons.Then basically all window seats are fine, righthand side more room for your stuff. Move yourself a bit during the flight to make a few good pics.

Quoting amsspot (Reply 17):
See you this winter in Lapland. :-P

Afaik, they don't fly to Finland with the ATP   Did you already fix some schedules?

Regards
Eric



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineamsspot From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7379 times:

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 18):
F/A is opposite of row 1, so no photography during the critical flight phases from those seats. Row 2 has no or a misaligned window, don't take it.

Thanks for the information. Really good to know. I guess the Saab is awesome and I will definately post a trip report on here.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 18):
Afaik, they don't fly to Finland with the ATP Did you already fix some schedules?

Correct, but they DO fly to Swedish Lapland with the ATP. Gällivare Airport gets their ATP twide daily. I've not booked anything yet, I may do so when I get back. Who knows..

Miles


User currently offlineinfodesk From Switzerland, joined May 2006, 1424 posts, RR: 33
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7344 times:

Hi Eric,

Wow, you got this one up quickly.

A really nice combination of more unusual airlines/aircraft and a successful day of flying for you.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Although I got really surprised when the FA took the mother and child to the cockpit, opened the door and let them in (door was open for about 5 minutes), and the flightcrew was chatting and playing a bit with the child. Of course, it’s not a big deal, but when they finished I asked the FA to have a look (during flight), but was quickly told that they were not allowed to open the cockpit during flight. Interesting isn’t it? So, I asked if it’s ok to have a look after landing, to make a picture if they were fine about it, but also that was denied, since photography of the cockpit is officially forbidden due to many electric systems there. Completely nonsense, but what can I do about it. Sorry, no pics from the frontoffice today for you...

I find that very difficult to accept. If the cockpit door was opened for the kid, then no reason not to open it for you. Unless the crew member knew the passenger, as you say she spent a lot of time with them, maybe they were getting the VIP treatment.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
and prefer LH’s variating catering concept much more these days

I wasn't overly impressed with LH on my recent flight. A very small roll with limp lettuce, no choice, only meat available, LX do this much better. I'm positively surprised at what you got on KLM, I had an idea their onboard service wasn't that generous.

Pity about the security issue, at least you only had to delete one picture, imagine if he'd checked the camera.

Happy flying
Infodesk   



"Do nothing in haste, look well to each step and from the beginning think what may be the end" - Edward Whymper
User currently offline717Flyer From Finland, joined Jun 2011, 303 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7323 times:

Hi Eric!

I very much enjoyed your trip report, high quality pictures and all necessary details, but one thing caught my attention!

You're kidding me - I flew AMS-CPH Cimber on that very same aircraft one day after you (on Friday). Not only that, but I was at the Panorama Terrace and presumably arrived there minutes after you left (or perhaps we even were there at the same time....) on Thursday 11th (after having arrived on the Blue1 morning flight from HEL). I even got a photo of OY-RJJ leaving with you onboard (you will find it in my upcoming TR).
I'm sorry I wasn't aware of your travel plans, otherwise we could've had a quick meet there.  
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Let’s go downstairs to my gate

Looks familiar!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I told him that it was nonsense and I only pictured the KLM aircraft I was going to fly on,

Life of an aircraft spotter isn't always easy.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Seat 16A is the best one in the house tonight!

Talk about a wonderful wing view!

Regards
717Flyer


User currently offlineDeparturex From Germany, joined Aug 2011, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7296 times:

Hi Eric,

really an interesting trip report. Sadly I also still haven' t flown on a Saab turboprop so far. I really often regret not having flown on one of Crossair's or later Swiss' Saab 340 or 2000 before they got rid of them   .

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
And, that means that it got quite noisy around my seat (if you want a quiet cabin, make sure to be seated as much forward as possible!).

It may be noisier in the back of the cabin but the pictures of the wing also featuring parts of the tail engine really make up for it - those are fascinating each time.

Greetings
Departurex


User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4207 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7161 times:

Hi guys and girl  
Thank you for your replies and let me answer on some of them...

Quoting amsspot (Reply 19):
Gällivare Airport gets their ATP twide daily. I've not booked anything yet, I may do so when I get back.

Indeed I noticed this destination also, but it seems quite difficult to make a daytrip of it. I need more time to check all these schedules, and also it's a problem that Nextjet basically doesn't fly on Saturdays.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 20):
Wow, you got this one up quickly.

Thanks. Indeed, because I just got home from another day of flying around, which also needs a report. If I don't speed it up, I'll create a huge backlog soon  
Quoting infodesk (Reply 20):
A really nice combination of more unusual airlines/aircraft and a successful day of flying for you

Indeed, and 3 new registrations logged also.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 20):
I find that very difficult to accept. If the cockpit door was opened for the kid, then no reason not to open it for you. Unless the crew member knew the passenger, as you say she spent a lot of time with them, maybe they were getting the VIP treatment.

That could be right indeed. It was interesting that this lady was also allowed to sit whereever she liked, where other people had to sit behind row 7.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 20):
I wasn't overly impressed with LH on my recent flight. A very small roll with limp lettuce, no choice, only meat available,

Now you mention it, I recently read some other complaints also (e.g. the HEL flights with only a sandwich). It seems there is a lot of difference, kind of surprise party on LH.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 20):
I'm positively surprised at what you got on KLM, I had an idea their onboard service wasn't that generous.

I admit, the package and contents are very good looking, but this time the sandwiches didn't taste really fresh anymore. Sometimes they do, of course. But I get this concept already for so many years, that it might be time for refresher...

And to look forward, I had a very good catering on KLM today, which will be featured in my next tripreport.

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 21):
I very much enjoyed your trip report, high quality pictures and all necessary details

Thanks!

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 21):
You're kidding me - I flew AMS-CPH Cimber on that very same aircraft one day after you (on Friday).

No! That's really special actually.

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 21):
Not only that, but I was at the Panorama Terrace and presumably arrived there minutes after you left (or perhaps we even were there at the same time....) on Thursday 11th (after having arrived on the Blue1 morning flight from HEL).

And, you landed directly in front of the Cimber Air on Thursday, taxied in front. Your B717 was in Star Alliance livery and parked on C8 or C10 if I remember correctly. Not sure if I made a picture of it, because I was on my way back to the busgates after a chat with Martijn.

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 21):
I even got a photo of OY-RJJ leaving with you onboard (you will find it in my upcoming
TR).

Looking forward to it! Did you come for spotting? Or another reason for this trip?

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 21):
I'm sorry I wasn't aware of your travel plans, otherwise we could've had a quick meet there.

Sure we could've done that! Let's keep in touch for future travels.

Quoting Departurex (Reply 22):
really an interesting trip report. Sadly I also still haven' t flown on a Saab turboprop so far.

Thank you. So, maybe it's an idea to get on one. Several option available, like the Nextjet in Scandinavia (and a few other operators), also in the UK you can take FlyBE. Estonian Air operates them from TLL (also to ARN), good fares are available on them. So, still a good chance to do it!

Regards
Eric



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User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1801 posts, RR: 42
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7133 times:
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Hey Eric! Great report as usual. It was nice meeting you again. The S340 is something I should try sometime as well! Let me know if you find any good deals on the A300!

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25 PlaneHunter : Hi Eric, great report with very good pictures! Congratulations on getting on the Saab 340 which is a really nice plane. Good to read about Nextjet, to
26 aerocabin : Hi Eric, Thanks for the very interesting TR! LPI looks like a very cute airport! I'd love to visit there one day. Looking forward to reading your Norw
27 Post contains images burj : Cool trip report! Am I the only one who found it amusing that your Next JET flight was in fact NOT on a jet aircraft? That is great that you got an em
28 photophil : actually ther is only one single jet in the fleet of NextJet. All the other ones are prop's. And this one is a small Cessna Citation Bravo PHILIP
29 Post contains images sultanils : Hi there Eric, Finally found the time to read your story. A good trip you had with a nice variety of aircraft: no Boeing or Airbus involved, now that'
30 Post contains images airbuseric : Hi guys, thank for you for the latest replies on my TR. Thanks! Indeed, nice to have a quick talk in this way. I'm around next week again Yeah, sure I
31 Post contains images akhmad : Hi Eric, Sorry for my late reply. Nevertheless, it is great to see that you are flying out and about again, and of course bringing us back beautiful p
32 Post contains images airbuseric : Hi, Suryo! No problem, you know! Good to see you here again with a reply. I'll do my best to entertain you during this rainy summer Then is airline/ro
33 Post contains images FlyingFinn76 : Hi Eric, Finally had time to comment on your report - it's been a busy week so far with more flying tomorrow... Good that you managed to finally score
34 MSS658 : Hi Eric Thanks for sharing this report with me, glad you had 2 seats on your AMS-CPH flight, glad that you had a nice flight as well on the CPH-LPI to
35 Post contains images Parton87 : Hello Eric! Thanks for the report. Nice to see a report with some Swedish views As I said on Facebook I have been looking on the nextjet route but all
36 FLIEGER67 : Hoi, Eric, Congrats, I know, not that easy to catch this one. Good quality pictures and also story, well done. Tell me more!. Greetings, Markus(FLIEGE
37 Post contains images SloAir : Hi Eric, a lot of travel around Scandinavia for you these days I'm headed there next month and I'm looking forward to it, if I'll be lucky and there w
38 Post contains images airbuseric : Hi all, back home after some flying again, let's see your replies! Don't tell me about it... It's more difficult to put it into a daytrip including a
39 Palmjet : Hi Eric Lovely report - I read it some time ago but did not get around to posting a response. Sorry! I think this is poor too. From a consistency poin
40 OlafW : Hi Eric thanks for the interesting report. Didn't know that KLM fly to Linköping - actually didn't even know there is an airport... About you mention
41 ba319-131 : Hi Eric, Good read, thanks for sharing. Good selection of equipment too, not a Airbus or Boeing flown, quite amazing for a 3 plane trip. - I've only f
42 Parton87 : Hello Eric! Well maybe some day I try it. Something different from my usual JZ F50 flights from KSD. I know some SAAB 2000 models have oxygen mask so
43 Post contains images airbuseric : Hi guys, thanks again for your replies! No probs! I appreciate your feedback Indeed a good reason to go ahead with the reservation also from my point
44 Post contains images Parton87 : Why not try a JZ flight to KSD from ARN or CPH? It would be nice to meet you and I can show you around in the province of Värmland and KSD. Both OSL
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