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IL86, IL62 Siberia Adventure + Bomb On Board?  
User currently offlineN178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1680 posts, RR: 65
Posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 22213 times:
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Across the Siberia
8 Sept 2004 to 15 Sept 2004
by Sam Chui


Highlight:


1. Flying IL86 350 seater of Siberia Airline from Beijing to Novosibirsk.
2. Flying loud Tu154B-2 aircraft to Moscow and a 30 minute final approach into Domodedovo Airport.
3. Flying Tu134A-3 aircraft from Moscow to St Petersburg
4. Flying Yak40 of Russia State Transport Company to Nizhny Novgorod.
5. Flying IL62 of VIM Airlines Moscow to Chita Sitting at the last row next to the engines!
6. Flying Tu154M and IL86 from Moscow to Beijing via Novosibirsk and include a security threat at 2am on the IL86!

This Trip Report will only feature the IL86 and IL62 leg.


Recently at a local pub in Abu Dhabi, I have a discussion with another fellow aviation enthuasist that there are very few interesting TR on the forum lately. He has stopped writing TRs all together but I prefer to buck the trend, so I digged up some old photos and determined to write the Russian flying Trip Report that I have never accomplished in 2004.
It is interesting but not surprising that a rare Russian/Soviet plane TR typically attract less appreciations than a brand new A380 or a First Class Trip Report on the forum. May be that's some reasons a few people I knew of have stopped contributing which is a sad loss.


I wasn't a great fan of Russian/Soviet airplanes until on a trip to Phuket, Thailand in Jan 2003, I witnessed a thriller, a very last minute takeoff of an IL96 of Domodedovo Airlines. I was speechless after the takeoff and thought that was a very close call! Since then I have paid special attention on soviet built airplane, their sheer good dynamic and versatile looks and their unique performances. As a photographer, Soviet built planes in western country is always regarded as special and many spotters/photographer made the trip specially for them. I have flown most western built jets and props in my life, after the Concorde to London and the B707 in Iran, I asked myself, "What's next?" Not surprisingly, Russian built airliner came to my mind and the time was approaching Autumn, I don't want to do this in the long cold and harsh winter, so I gathered my chances and decided to do it in September before had to wait summer.

I have to go to Beijing to see my family in September, and naturally I would like to do a side trip from Beijing, to Russia.


8 Sept 2004

Beijing (PEK) to Novosibirsk (OVB)
IL86 Siberia Airlines RA-86085 (in Vnukovo Airlines hybrid color scheme)
S7 864
Flight time: 4hr 25 mins
Distance: 1866 miles
Captain Smolko and FO Soloviev
FL: 10000m


The Siberia agent told me the flight has been upgraded from Tu154 to IL86 in peak summer season because of the large increase of both cargo and passenger numbers. She also told me the IL86 is similar to a B777 and I think by the sheer look of the IL86, it is an absolutly mixture of B777 body and A340 engines!!!!! Check-in was chaotic, as most passenger are Russians, many have overweighted baggage.

The IL86 was parked on the remote apron and we took a bus to the remote stand and I found the IL86 in ecstasy, as it is a hybrid machine, in Vnukovo Airlines colors, with Siberia Airlines title. All passenger have to board via the lower stair of the plane and store some of the bulky luggage downstairs near the door before proceed upstairs for boarding. The IL86 have an interesting design, have 3 doors on each side in the lower deck and is sufficient to operate in any remote conditions for passenger boarding without aerobridge or external stairs. After boarding, the cabin was very spacious, just as I predicted. Cabin seating is 3-3-3 9 seat abrest. We were slightly delayed on takeoff because of the extra cargo loadings. The IL86 is also a very gentle aircraft on takeoff, it wasn't very noisy inside, even I sat next to the engines. It climbed very slowly and many times it climb and level and climb again later when the engine gain more power.

http://www.samchuiphotos.com/Siberia04/ILW1.jpg

IL86 just airborne and Beijing airport ramp view
below.

http://www.samchuiphotos.com/Siberia04/ILW2.jpg

Very slow climbing, almost level.

http://www.samchuiphotos.com/Siberia04/ILW3.jpg

The Great Wall underneath, a clear day for flying!

During the flight, non-alcoholic drink service was offered, followed by sales of alcohols and a hot meal. No in flight entertainment or audio programme on this flight, as there were no ear jack or screen onboard. Those items were considered luxury in Russian flights I later found out.
Some photo of in flight service and cabin interior.

http://www.samchuiphotos.com/Siberia04/ILW4.jpg

Cabin of the very spacious IL86

http://www.samchuiphotos.com/Siberia04/ILW5.jpg

The lower stair, is blocked during the flight.


http://www.samchuiphotos.com/Siberia04/ILW6.jpg

The IL86 have 2 lavatories in front, and 6 at the back
near the tail section. You can see the number of each above the door.


http://www.samchuiphotos.com/Siberia04/ILW7.jpg

Hot meal served onboard


http://www.samchuiphotos.com/Siberia04/ILW8.jpg

Another interesting feature is the fan nozzle is mounted on the seat back, not on the ceiling.




Toilet view of IL86. It stinks.....


I also met a couple from Australia, sat in front of me and we have some pleasant conversation. The nice lady helped me to translate my question of IL86 to the crew, as the crew speak only limited English. The crew informed me that the IL86 can fly from Siberia in the most harsh weather, minus 50 degrees with no problem. Usually operates under 4 cockpit crews and 12 Flight Attandants.

Not long after our conversation, the plane start to descend, over an overcasted Novosibirsk. We touched down local time 1245pm on Runway 25, and arrived 45 minutes behind schedule. It was very windy and tempature was about 7 degrees from memory. The Chaotic deplane scene is just the start sign of some nightmare...It took me more than 2 hours to clear custom because of the Russian system and (possibly bribery) there. Most of the time I was just standing in the queue while many tried to get through on a one by one basis..... I have missed my original connection but S7 airline have kindly put me on the next flight and I was able to relax in the VIP lounge among few other passengers.

http://www.samchuiphotos.com/Siberia04/ILW10.jpg

Approaching Novosibirsk, flown direct past the city.

http://www.samchuiphotos.com/Siberia04/ILW11.jpg

This is the plane I flown from Beijing to Siberia!
Seeing her resting on apron for the next duty.

http://www.samchuiphotos.com/Siberia04/ILW12.jpg

Ramp view of Novosibirsk. A few hours later, I flown on this Tu154-B2 to the capital, Moscow.

After a few days in Moscow, I did sightseeing, plane spotting in DME, flown Tu134, Yak40 to some nearby cities. With my friend Nikolai's assist, I have bought a ticket on VIM Airlines, roundtrip from Moscow to Chita onboard their IL62. I knew very little about VIM Airlines or Chita at that point.


11 Sept 2004

Moscow Domodedovo (DME) to Chita (HTA)
IL62M RA-86597
NN6109
Flight time: 6hr 10mins
Distance: 2948 miles
Captain Sargsayn and FO Golubech
FL: 11100m
POB:140


http://www.samchuiphotos.com/Siberia04/IL61.JPG

A wet evening ramp of DME.

The departure time was 20:50 in the evening. The IL62M was parked in the remote ramp. When the bus reached the plane, I got a kick as it is the red colour IL62M with heavy noise on the wet ramp awaits passenger board via stairs in Door 2L. A typical Soviet Era scene I was chasing....

http://www.samchuiphotos.com/Siberia04/IL62.JPG

Cabin View of IL62 Vim Airlines.



Bathroom at the back. Stinks as usual

Unfortunately it was a overnight flight and I took some much needed rest and only woke up before approach. I don't recall much about the takeoff roll but I remember there were many low clouds (evening thunderstorms) around and the plane was very sturdy.



Round window of IL62

http://www.samchuiphotos.com/Siberia04/IL65.JPG

We are on final descend into Chita. It feels very cold outside.

http://www.samchuiphotos.com/Siberia04/IL66.JPG

Past through some low clouds. The IL62 descend was screaming loud with power reduced from throttle. It really wake you up. We have had a very smooth landing.


http://www.samchuiphotos.com/Siberia04/IL67.JPG

The only other plane at Chita's ramp

http://www.samchuiphotos.com/Siberia04/IL68.JPG

I deplaned using stairs and had a good look of the plane in daylight.

http://www.samchuiphotos.com/Siberia04/IL69.JPG

The famous T tail and tail wheel of IL62


Among all passengers we left the airport in a small side gate and directed to the baggage claim area, and I simply head back to the terminal re-check in for the flight back to Moscow. The turnaround time was about 2hrs 30mins.


12 Sept 2004

Chita (HTA) to Moscow Domodedovo (DME) to
IL62M RA-86597
NN6110
Flight time: 6hr 30mins
Distance: 2948 miles
Captain Snport (spelling?) and Godiaev
FL: 11000m
POB 128

http://www.samchuiphotos.com/Siberia04/IL610.JPG

Back to the plane took me to Chita. I wish I have a wide angle to fit the whole plane in.

http://www.samchuiphotos.com/Siberia04/IL611.JPG

The plane was rather empty. I changed seats and grab the last row 3 seater to the right engines. It was loud and raw on takeoff -roll. I videoed the takeoff.

http://www.samchuiphotos.com/Siberia04/IL612.JPG

Airborne from Chita.

http://www.samchuiphotos.com/Siberia04/IL613.JPG

Flying across Siberia over 11000m on a clear day!

http://www.samchuiphotos.com/Siberia04/IL614.JPG

We even have inflight entertainment (LCD screen) on the IL62!

http://www.samchuiphotos.com/Siberia04/IL615.JPG

After 6hrs + , we are approaching Rwy 14 of DME. At this point it was VERY LOUD from the engine, feels like the captain have push the throttle forward and back.....It was crazyily loud to the ears and quite unbearable....but I wish I can hear this kind of noise again nowadays....

http://www.samchuiphotos.com/Siberia04/IL616.JPG

Final approach over the dense forest.

http://www.samchuiphotos.com/Siberia04/IL617.JPG

Landed safely and taxi back to VIM's remote parking bay

http://www.samchuiphotos.com/Siberia04/IL618.JPG

I got a rare chance to see the IL62 cockpit before deplane. Thanks to the friendly cockpit crew for the access. The captain explained every IL62 flight use 5 men as cockpit crew. These remain my only IL62 flights until today.


15 Sept 2004

Novosibirsk (OVB) to Beijing (PEK)
IL86 RA-86085
STD 0205
STD 0430
STA 0705
ATA 0930

It was a typical cold night in Novosibirsk. Having arrived from Moscow a few hours ago, I was eager to board the IL86 again to fly back to Beijing. Everything appeared to be in good orders, passenger boarding began at 0130 and we boarded through the lower door of IL86 and place our bags in the baggage hold and walk upstairs to the main deck. The loads were light and most passengers have their own rows of three. Before we depart, the incident began….

A dark hair Chechen looking couple suddenly demand to leave the plane. Some other passengers have witnessed they have just returned from the toilet. This is unusual as why would they want to leave the plane suddenly after toilet visit before takeoff? It wasn’t easy at all to board an Int’l flight from Russia but why suddenly they want to leave? The incident happened during a very tense period only 1 week after the Beslan Massacre resulted over 380 killed by the siege

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_hostage_crisis

The Chechen couple were taken off the plane by security forces and more security stormed onboard and hand searched every part of the plane. However passengers are getting very anxious and demand to leave the plane. At around 0200, all passengers have left the plane and returned to the terminal. Sniffer dogs were used to search whether bombs were planted. All passengers were again and again hand searched and all baggage re-screened. A few doubtful characters were taken into rooms for more questioning included a French man. Majority of the passengers are Russians and Chinese.

The Russian security forces never came back with any official explanation what have happened. The flight attendant doesn’t know either but there were many speculations that a bomb was planted onboard. I was expecting to fly out again the next day. The tension was very high in the small Int’l terminal at 3am.

At 4am, we were taken back to re-board the same plane. The Chinese passengers refused as they seemed more worried about whether the search was conducted properly. The Russians, were showing much more confident and good faith in their own security forces and told the Chinese passenger not to worry. I was very tired and decided to fly regardless what have happened.

We took off just before dawn, and the IL86 is such a beast, we made a very loud roar and low climb out of Novosibirsk Airport outskirts. There were a lot of turbulence near Mongolia and all the way to Beijing. It seems we were flying into a low pressure weather system with very high ceilings of cloud coverage. The IL86 vibrated badly and we dropped a few times. The fun of flying was now totally gone and among many passengers we wish to get off the plane ASAP.

http://www.samchuiphotos.com/Siberia04/ILW13.jpg

One last cabin shot


At 0925, our flight landed safely in Beijing on Rwy36R. It was such a relieve and many happy faces appeared among the Chinese passengers as they have arrived home safely. I have never found out what’ve exactly happened. The Chechen looking couple never boarded the plane again. Nevertheless, I survived the incident. I believe if the security police really found a bomb, we would not travel on the same plane again that night. Who knows?......

http://www.samchuiphotos.com/Siberia04/ILW14.jpg

Our plane landed safely in Beijing.


This concludes the Trip Report. I hope you have enjoyed reading it.


Sam Chui

33 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlinesultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1697 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 22057 times:
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Hello Sam,

I am very glad you dug out this 'old collection' of photos and made up that unfinished report. It is really amazing to see how old Soviet birds actually look and feel. It really must've been a fantastic experience to fly in them. And the last story for sure is quite scary. I think today these are much less likely to happen with all the tight security measures and so.

Quoting N178UA (Thread starter):
We even have inflight entertainment (LCD screen) on the IL62!

Fantastic!

Quoting N178UA (Thread starter):
The captain explained every IL62 flight use 5 men as cockpit crew.

5 cockpit crew, that must've cost the carrier a fortune in pilot's wages  

Quoting N178UA (Thread starter):
It is interesting but not surprising that a rare Russian/Soviet plane TR typically attract less appreciations than a brand new A380 or a First Class Trip Report on the forum. May be that's some reasons a few people I knew of have stopped contributing which is a sad loss.

I'm sorry to hear you feel that way. As for me, almost every report gets it's fair share of attention and read and reply. I think some people see this forum more as a blog: they just read the story and click on to the next, without replying. That's not the way a forum works: it requires input from both sides: reader and writer to make it interesting. Just my opinion...

   Sultanils



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26935 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 21854 times:

Very enjoyable trip back in history. Love those old jets. Shame they are all but disappeared .

Many thanks for the read.


OA260  


User currently offlineAA94 From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 21811 times:

Nice trip report! I don't consider myself a luxury/snobby flier, and I love a good adventure, but riding in one of these planes isn't on my bucket list. But glad you had fun in spite of everything else! Those planes definitely seem like they are stuck in the Soviet era.

-AA94



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User currently offlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2417 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 21602 times:

Quoting N178UA (Thread starter):
Moscow Domodedovo (DME) to Chita (HTA)
IL62M RA-86597
NN6109
Quoting N178UA (Thread starter):
I got a kick as it is the red colour IL62M with heavy noise on the wet ramp awaits passenger board via stairs in Door 2L. A typical Soviet Era scene I was chasing....
Quoting N178UA (Thread starter):
The turnaround time was about 2hrs 30mins.
Quoting N178UA (Thread starter):
Chita (HTA) to Moscow Domodedovo (DME) to
IL62M RA-86597
NN6110
Quoting N178UA (Thread starter):
We even have inflight entertainment (LCD screen) on the IL62!



Same aircraft, same airline, same registration- but 2:30hrs difference... Where does suddenly the LCD screens comes from?!


User currently offlineBAViscount From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2338 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 21584 times:

Quoting N178UA (Thread starter):
It is interesting but not surprising that a rare Russian/Soviet plane TR typically attract less appreciations than a brand new A380 or a First Class Trip Report on the forum. May be that's some reasons a few people I knew of have stopped contributing which is a sad loss.

It is a shame. Unfortunately we've lost many great TR writers over the years, or many have just stopped writing them. It seems that most people's TR expectations have changed lately. I've written a few myself and although I would never include myself among the "greats", I personally just don't feel inclined to write them any more. Although of course trip reports are different things to different people - we all have different tastes!

Quoting N178UA (Thread starter):
All passenger have to board via the lower stair of the plane and store some of the bulky luggage downstairs near the door before proceed upstairs for boarding.

I've always been curious about that downstairs storage area - did you by any chance manage to take any photos of it?

Quoting N178UA (Thread starter):
Cabin View of IL62 Vim Airlines.

It almost looks like it has mood lighting! 

Many thanks for this fascinating report - Russian civil aviation has always fascinated me since I was a lad. It's just a shame that a lot of Russian airlines seem to have Western fleets these days (although good for the Western economy of course!).

Keep 'em coming!

Cheers.

Andy.

[Edited 2011-08-19 15:23:24]


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User currently offlineSirThomas From UK - England, joined Jul 2009, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 21432 times:

Great read, I love to read about the older russian birds. Too many boring reports on modern Boeings and Airbus'.. Anyone can ride them from their local airport!  

Good pictures too, I take my hat off to you Sir!

Tom

I'm just sad that we can't ride the IL-62 any more... The TR title had my hopes up for a minute there! 



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User currently offlined3funct From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 21426 times:

Thanks for the TR - I enjoy reading these journeys, personally however I dont think I could bring myself to board such an old plane, I was brought up in the age of 777 and A380s 

User currently offlineaidansnn From Ireland, joined Jun 2010, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 20569 times:

Thanks for a fascinating report! Many would consider you a brave man for flying such aircraft. That last story is indeed quite unsettling!

Quoting N178UA (Thread starter):
At this point it was VERY LOUD from the engine, feels like the captain have push the throttle forward and back.....It was crazyily loud to the ears and quite unbearable....but I wish I can hear this kind of noise again nowadays....

I did a quick search after reading this TR to see if I could experience what you were referring to, and came across the following video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK6UxULlgcM
Regular flyers of the IL62 must have suffered tremendous hearing difficulties!

Aidan


User currently offlineQuokka From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 20457 times:

Hi Sam,

Quoting N178UA (Thread starter):
Recently at a local pub in Abu Dhabi, I have a discussion with another fellow aviation enthusiast that there are very few interesting TR on the forum lately. He has stopped writing TRs all together but I prefer to buck the trend, so I digged up some old photos and determined to write the Russian flying Trip Report that I have never accomplished in 2004.
It is interesting but not surprising that a rare Russian/Soviet plane TR typically attract less appreciations than a brand new A380 or a First Class Trip Report on the forum. May be that's some reasons a few people I knew of have stopped contributing which is a sad loss.

Thanks for posting a report on aircraft types and carriers not normally commented on. Odd about the Chechen couple wanting to leave and I am not surprised that it caused a security incident. I wonder what became of them. Perhaps it was the appalling condition of the toilets that prompted their departure.  

I admit that due to pressures of time I sometimes skip over some of the reports that are posted and look for the more "interesting" ones, by which I mean airlines or destinations that are not usually covered. I have enjoyed recent reports by Abrelosojos because he has ended up in some very uncomfortable situations. Another example is the report about you and Ronerone going on a trip to Iran which was interesting because it added that element of the unknown. You were spirited away in the middle of the night and not knowing what was going on. Mind you, I don't always comment because I don't always know what to say that may be constructive and "great TR" sometimes doesn't feel enough.

But I appreciate that it can remain difficult to write reports on normal flights were nothing much happens without running the risk of "same as, same as". Still it is a shame when a writer of calibre, who is both well informed and can inject humour, decides to write no more.


User currently offlineN178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1680 posts, RR: 65
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 20200 times:
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Thanks for all the feedback. Regarding my comments about Soviet/Russian airplanes TR vs A380 or a new product, I have written both the former and latter TR in the forum here. It is a known fact that most favours the new products TR. I suppose one have to fly the Russian/Soviet jet to gain an appreciation of them. Many here haven't got the opportunity. I admire people go out of their way to get on these flights and bring back their trip to share. It was always a pleasure to read them. One of the finest example would be this one:

To The Horn Of Africa By Ilyushin 18 [pics/videos] (by UK_Dispatcher Dec 13 2009 in Trip Reports)

Of course, this is each to your own. Everyone have their own preferences and there is no right/wrong here. But I just want to point out more respect should be shown to those rare type, hard to get TRs.

Quoting debonair (Reply 4):
Same aircraft, same airline, same registration- but 2:30hrs difference... Where does suddenly the LCD screens comes from?!

I think the outbound sector everyone fell asleep, so no movie was shown. The LCD screen didn't drop and fold down  

I don't have a photo but it is a very small area with one stairway leading to the main deck, and a few baggage racks for passenger to store their carry on baggage. There are also the usual overhead bin on each side of the main cabin but not fitted in the middle.

Quoting BAViscount (Reply 5):
I've always been curious about that downstairs storage area - did you by any chance manage to take any photos of it?
Quoting aidansnn (Reply 8):
Regular flyers of the IL62 must have suffered tremendous hearing difficulties!

Great Video. Yes, I think so too.

Quoting Quokka (Reply 9):
But I appreciate that it can remain difficult to write reports on normal flights were nothing much happens without running the risk of "same as, same as".

It is a VERY difficult task to write something on an ordinary or normal flights. Again, it is everyone's freedom to post whatever they think is worth. Personally I would not post something if they are not worthwhiile. I do not read most of the European/US domestic TR given that I am not interested in them at all. Having said that, it doesn't infer they are bad quality. I get that someone may do the same as they are not interested in Russian/Soviet planes. It is a personal preferences.

Sam


User currently offlinethegivenone From Austria, joined Jan 2008, 192 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 20156 times:

Excellent report N178UA! I too am grateful that you took the time to dig out some old material and put together a report that shares insights an aviation sector that I am very unfamiliar with (Russian/Soviet aviation).

Awesome stuff!


User currently offlineVSZ From Mexico, joined Jul 2011, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 19633 times:

Sam:

I love this kind of reports, the 380 first class i think are boring,
i allways have been curios about flying in the tu-134 and i did not find any good one

i hope you can post the tu-134 leg

Regards


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6557 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 19431 times:

Hi Sam!

Thanks for a very nice and interesting reprort! You did that trip at the right time as now most of those aircraft types are gone or almost impossible to fly on.

I agree with you somewhat that there are a lot reports that are not so interesting reports but there are a lot more reports posted nowadays as well. I agree with you that the report you posted a link to (IL-18 to horn of Africa) is a gem from the last few years.

The777Man



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User currently offline9w748capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 19419 times:

Thanks for posting this Sam! It really is too bad that former TR writers have stopped posting. I hadn't noticed this - I don't have as much time to browse these forums as I used to but that's really too bad. I also would much rather read about new/different exotic aircrafts and destinations than the stock JFK-DXB in F on EK - woohoo. Russian metal is by default interesting and exotic so thank you again! That last leg seems quite scary indeed - I am a bit surprised that so many pax did continue onboard. That's certainly the type of thing that has happened in Russia several times. If I was in your shoes I would have thought long and hard about not continuing and booking a different flight. Just makes you remember how precious life really is. Glad you made it home safely.

User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1957 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 19348 times:

Awesome!

First thing I've read in a while that didn't seem somewhat routine!


User currently offlineMSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2474 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 18999 times:

Hi Sam


Nice trip report enjoyed reading it. Thanks for sharing this rather exotic report with us. Quite a scare you had on the OVB-PEK leg. Glad you made it in safely.


Greetings
Marc



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User currently offlineN178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1680 posts, RR: 65
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 18575 times:
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Quoting VSZ (Reply 12):
i hope you can post the tu-134 leg

Will post a few pictures from the flights. The Tu-134 is simply a figher jet converted civilian plane. On one of my Aeroflots SVO-LED flights in the summer evenings, I remember we were flying like a stealth fighter jet dodging thunderstorm cells swiftly.....amazing manevuer capability.

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 14):
That last leg seems quite scary indeed - I am a bit surprised that so many pax did continue onboard. That's certainly the type of thing that has happened in Russia several times. If I was in your shoes I would have thought long and hard about not continuing and booking a different flight. Just makes you remember how precious life really is. Glad you made it home safely.

At that time, with most of the passenger opt to fly, I didn't leave with much choices. My gut feeling is OK. If they find a bomb they would definity not allow us to fly that night. The whole plane would be grounded for investigation. But the Chechen looking couple are definity acting strange...

Sam


User currently offlinePalmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1223 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 18115 times:

I really enjoy this rare report as well, particularly if it's accompanied by some amazing photography - which your report contains. Wow! Thanks for posting this. I particularly look forward to reading future instalments from this trip you took.

However -

Quote:
Everyone have their own preferences and there is no right/wrong here. But I just want to point out more respect should be shown to those rare type, hard to get TRs.

I am not sure I understand the point you are trying to make here. Trip reports serve a number of purposes for different readers. That means I totally agree with you that there is no right/wrong here. While you may have no interest in European/US domestic TR, others may have numerous reasons for why they do - particularly if they may be planning flights in the region or looking for ideas for more interesting routes to get from A to B. Many of the regular contributors here spend a great deal of time putting together their flights and then writing about them and I think that requires an equal amount of acknowledgement.

I would also point out that there have been some rare trip reports posted here, which may not necessarily involve risking life and limb in the Horn of Africa, but have their own special uniqueness from various parts of the world - I would encourage you and your AUH friend to seek these out and if inclined, provide comments/feedback.

And speaking of which, I also share Nils' sentiments on this:

Quote:
I'm sorry to hear you feel that way. As for me, almost every report gets it's fair share of attention and read and reply. I think some people see this forum more as a blog: they just read the story and click on to the next, without replying. That's not the way a forum works: it requires input from both sides: reader and writer to make it interesting. Just my opinion...

I've noticed that some creators of these incredible trip reports are happy to receive lots of comments, but they don't always respond to everyone's questions or comments - it works both ways. If you want "respect" (whatever that means) for the unique trips you take, and are happy to post a report, you should also be prepared to consider and respond to all of the comments that readers take the time to post.

Just my opinion.



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6757 posts, RR: 77
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 17984 times:

Hi Sam,

fascinating report with great pictures as usual! Even though I'm not into Russian types, I found your story highly interesting.

Quoting N178UA (Thread starter):
It is interesting but not surprising that a rare Russian/Soviet plane TR typically attract less appreciations than a brand new A380 or a First Class Trip Report on the forum.
Quoting N178UA (Thread starter):
May be that's some reasons a few people I knew of have stopped contributing which is a sad loss.

Well, a good report always attracts appreciation. Tastes are different, of course. But there may be other reasons why certain posters don't get as many replies as others. Since I joined a.net, I have noticed many posters who only write replies in their own trip reports and never reply to other threads. They expect replies, but never take the time to leave comments elsewhere. That's quite ignorant - which may lead the active posters to ignore these guys.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 1):
I think some people see this forum more as a blog: they just read the story and click on to the next, without replying. That's not the way a forum works: it requires input from both sides: reader and writer to make it interesting. Just my opinion...

Well said!


PH



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User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 926 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 17982 times:

Awesome report Sam. Very rare and unique! The VIM colourscheme reminds me of the old US national carrier, New York Air. I love how they fold the seats down too! The toilets were very scary looking!  


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User currently offlineN178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1680 posts, RR: 65
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 17979 times:
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Hi Palmjet

Quoting Palmjet (Reply 18):
I would also point out that there have been some rare trip reports posted here, which may not necessarily involve risking life and limb in the Horn of Africa, but have their own special uniqueness from various parts of the world - I would encourage you and your AUH friend to seek these out and if inclined, provide comments/feedback.

What's your point on the above? I am lost. I value a rare TR and if I am interested in a TR, of course I ask questions, give comments and provide my feedback. If I am not interested, then I don't view and comment. I keep it quiet. I have acknowledged that there are trip reports I am not interested which that doesn't mean everyone else feels the same. My whole point of this, is I feel there are more appreciations on a new product, or a new type of plane than the older jets as a whole in the forum. Again no rights or wrong. Each to your own.

Quoting Palmjet (Reply 18):
I've noticed that some creators of these incredible trip reports are happy to receive lots of comments, but they don't always respond to everyone's questions or comments - it works both ways. If you want "respect" (whatever that means) for the unique trips you take, and are happy to post a report, you should also be prepared to consider and respond to all of the comments that readers take the time to post.

I can't comments on other creators here. I always try to accomadate the questions on my TR.

Sam


User currently offlinePalmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1223 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 17957 times:

My point was in response to your original post, in which you expressed a view that there are "very few interesting TR on this forum lately" and the suggestion that rare trip reports somehow deserve more respect/appreciation.

That's completely fine and it's your opinion.

If the report is good and well put together and the original poster is a regular contributor to other TRs posted, it will naturally attract attention, irrespective of how rare the airline or route(s) is or what type of aircraft is operating the flight.

I think PH sums it up well -

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Well, a good report always attracts appreciation.

Cheers



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User currently offlineN178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1680 posts, RR: 65
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 17957 times:
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Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 19):
Well, a good report always attracts appreciation. Tastes are different, of course. But there may be other reasons why certain posters don't get as many replies as others. Since I joined a.net, I have noticed many posters who only write replies in their own trip reports and never reply to other threads. They expect replies, but never take the time to leave comments elsewhere. That's quite ignorant - which may lead the active posters to ignore these guys.

Hi PH!

I think this is very normal and there isn't right/wrong doing here. For myself, I respond well to my own TR and occasionally I reply to a few TR of others mostly when I want to ask a question or comment on an interesting subject. I respect in what you're saying but I don't agree people without reply on others are being ignorant.

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 20):
The VIM colourscheme reminds me of the old US national carrier, New York Air

Damn Right on that one! I have long forgot about New York Air, thanks for reminding me  

Sam


User currently offlineN178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1680 posts, RR: 65
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 17953 times:
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Quoting Palmjet (Reply 22):
If the report is good and well put together and the original poster is a regular contributor to other TRs posted, it will naturally attract attention, irrespective of how rare the airline or route(s) is or what type of aircraft is operating the flight.

Not really. I've noticed that the attentions/no of views/comments on the A380 First Class always win out to a dodggy Tu154 or Yak40 TR  

Nothing wrong with this though, I can see how natually a new A380 product attracts much more attention. But imagine if many trip reporters now dig up their older flights and post on here, that would be wonderful  


25 Post contains images Palmjet : I really love Russian aircraft too so your reports featuring these beauties are always treasured. Thank you!. However, for me at least it's been good
26 OlafW : Sam, thanks a lot for a great report! Also great pictures without too many similar view. I appreciate that. I must say, I envy you that you got to rid
27 Post contains images SirThomas : This is quite true, and I know how much of an effort it now is to fly one. I have literally just found evidence that they are using the IL-18 more fr
28 Post contains images American 767 : Nice report. I enjoyed reading it, thanks for sharing. I don't read every trip report but this one was really worth reading! And every word! By readin
29 UK_Dispatcher : Hi Sam, Many thanks for going retro and posting this one. It certainly made a nice change to all the here and now reports which have made me visit thi
30 IL62Mdakar : Hi Sam, Thanks for this amazing report from Russia. You definitely went to Russia at the right time when the good old Russian planes were still around
31 Post contains images N178UA : Thanks for the reply I would love to see that TR with some pictures. Have you posted ? This is so ain't Russia..... I am glad you still made 2 legs o
32 Post contains links and images IL62Mdakar : That trip was long before I started writing reports or joined a.net. Also before the digital age, at least for me, so there aren't that many photos.
33 Post contains images tk747 : Thanks for posting it was a very enjoyable read. Its so sad now to think that its not possible to fly on these birds anymore. I was just in Russia and
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