PlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 7099 posts, RR: 75 Posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 25128 times:
Ten years ago, while the horrors were happening on September 11, 2001, I was unsuspectingly cruising over the Atlantic in an Air France Boeing 777. I was heading to Los Angeles to spend an easygoing vacation with my good American friends. However, the vacation was over before it had really started. Shortly after my plane took off from Paris, American Airlines Flight 11 hit the North Tower of the World Trade Center. Only four hours later, when my rerouted plane touched down at Paris again, four planes had crashed, both WTC towers had collapsed and thousands of lives were lost.
I already posted a report about this failed trip five years ago, but on the occasion of the 10th anniversary of 9/11, I decided to start a new thread with an updated text and in different format. Unfortunately, I didn't frequently use my camera on my flights in these days, so you won’t find as many pictures as usual.
After visiting my American friends in Los Angeles in summer 2000 after a break of several years, I decided to go again in September 2001. Air France offered attractive fares so I took the chance and booked my flights in early June. I also chose Air France because I wanted to try the Boeing 777-200ER (after previously only flying on the non-ER variant) and Bombardier's CRJ. In order to get both British European's CRJ200 and Air France's A320, I decided to depart from Munich and return to Nuremberg. Last but not least, I chose an early departure from MUC so that I would have enough time for spotting at CDG. Sure, I was hoping to fly on an A320-100, but I knew the chance would be slim.
Tuesday, September 11, 2001
Munich (MUC) - Paris (CDG)
Air France AF1223
Scheduled times: 07:10-08:50
Distance: 425 miles
F-GFKV (MSN 227)
Delivered in 09/1991
My parents dropped me off at MUC at around 05:00 and a friendly Air France agent quickly checked me in. I had been successful in getting window seats in the rear sections on both planes and I was really looking forward to the Air France 777. On the evening before I had already found out on teletext that I wouldn't get an A320-100, but just a regular A320-200, so it didn't bother me any more when I discovered F-GFKV at the gate. We departed on time and I enjoyed the scenery enroute to CDG. Breakfast consisted of croissants, juice and coffee. We arrived at Terminal 2A slightly ahead of schedule and I started walking to Terminal 2F.
In order to be able to log as many registrations as possible, I had chosen AF's second flight to Los Angeles on that day, AF068, scheduled to depart in the early afternoon. Just as planned, there was plenty of time left and I enjoyed logging registrations of departing and arriving aircraft on the adjacent runway for the next few hours. Some minutes after 10:00, I watched AF062 (bound for LAX) leaving the gate. At this point of time, nobody had a clue yet that this plane would end up at Montreal later today...One of the most interesting planes at CDG on that day was Continental's Boeing 777-200ER N77014 in "New York 2000" colors (designed by Peter Max).
Tuesday, September 11, 2001
Paris (CDG) - Los Angeles (LAX) // returned to Paris (CDG)
Air France AF068
Actual times (estimated): 14:00-18:00
F-GSPD (s/n 187)
Built in 12/1998, delivered in 01/1999
Boarding commenced shortly after 13:00 and a bus brought us to F-GSPD, AF’s fourth 777, some 2.5 years old back then. I was quite impressed by the nice interior with comfortable blue seats. The flight was packed and the seats next to me were taken by an older French couple. They were very nice and even started talking to me in German, very well actually - it soon turned out that they were from Alsace-Lorraine.
A short delay was announced, but the flight attendant didn't give any more details. However, the reason was clear soon. On the left side of the rear Economy Class section four rows had been flattened to make room for a bed device. An older sick man was brought to the aircraft in an ambulance and it took about 20 minutes until the man had been laid down safely. He was accompanied by a younger woman taking care of him.
Two blithe hours
Finally, doors were closed and 15 minutes after leaving the parking position we lined up for takeoff. At around 14:00 CET - 08:00 local time in New York - the two GE90s noisily accelerated the heavily loaded twin for its long journey to Los Angeles. I was looking forward to the next few weeks in California and I really enjoying the flight. I tested several games and earmarked two movies for the upcoming hours. The first two hours of the flight had passed quickly and after leaving behind the westernmost British isles, lunch was about to be served. Even today it's still hard for me to imagine that within these two blithe hours previously unthinkable horrors had been happening.
Suddenly, the IFE program was interrupted and the captain made an announcement. I didn't understand much of what he said in French - but I noticed that two flight attendants in the aisle looked confused and concerned. Then my two neighbors started talking to each other - and they didn't seem to feel comfortable either. And then the captain repeated his announcement in English. I can only remember perceiving the key sentence: "We have to turn back to Paris, because American airspace is closed."
In the first moment I was just totally irritated. Can this be true? I started talking to my neighbor and he said: "No, the captain must be joking." I cannot remember how long I talked to him without looking out of the window, but when I checked the map on the PTV again, I suddenly realized that the little aircraft symbol was already pointing towards Paris. Unbelievable, but true: I hadn't felt the aircraft turning - so intensively I must have been under the impression of the captain's unsettling announcement.
I was somehow refusing to believe that we would really return to Paris until I saw this - fuel dump!
Slowly shrinking after a few minutes:
The captain later announced that 40000 liters of kerosene had to be dumped. There's no doubt that the largest scale fuel dumping in history occurred on that day considering the high number of transatlantic flights.
Our estimated arrival time at CDG was 18:00, almost two hours to go. Most people in our section were intensively talking to each other and I guess many of them were speculating about the reason for the airspace closure. "What the hell could cause such a drastic measure?", my neighbors and I were asking ourselves. I considered both a military strike and a widespread natural disaster to be very unlikely. I remembered there had been a slight earthquake in California two days before and I was for a moment thinking of the long-predicted "Big One" - but that wouldn't have affected the whole country, of course. I soon noticed that the IFE news channel had been disabled - what I found quite odd. Some time later I suddenly heard a French man saying something like "Twin Towers boom..." - probably he had made a phone call. I immediately draw the conclusion that the WTC must have been somehow affected, but I in no way I thought about anything similar to what was actually happening...
Then I started thinking about my trip. What would happen in Paris? When would I be able to continue the journey? I thought of my two heavy suitcases and how difficult it would be to move all the stuff around. I went to the galley and asked a young male flight attendant whether he knew what would happen in Paris after landing. "I wish I could answer your question, but I just don't know either", he replied. The flight attendants continued serving lunch, but I certainly didn't enjoy my meal. I guess most passengers had similar feelings and thoughts - the atmosphere on board was tense.
At around 18:00, F-GSPD commenced its final approach to CDG and touched down very hard - it seemed that thrust reversers and brakes were fully deployed. We taxied to a gate at Terminal 2F and I noticed that planes of American carriers were surrounded by police cars and guards of different kinds. I was still hoping that we would be able to depart again later in the day - but then cargo doors were opened and the aircraft was unloaded. According to an announcement, passengers should follow Air France staff in the terminal. With so many aircraft obviously being in the same situation, I was expecting to find chaos in the Terminal - and that turned out to be true some minutes later.
Helping each other
Since I had had a bad experience with AF's ground staff on a trip in 1999, I wasn't really optimistic that the airline would handle the chaos properly. Therefore, I decided to stay together with my seat neighbors. It was the right decision: three flights had been assigned to our baggage carousel - and it would have been a serious problem to keep an eye on one case while trying to catch the other. So we kept looking after each other's stuff until all our luggage had arrived.
Then we were guided to the check-in area where masses of people were hanging around with their luggage. On a positive side, uncountable Air France employees were present – some of them must have been called in on short notice because they wore regular clothes with company IDs attached.
Endless queues had formed in front of the Air France counters and the only option was to wait. Two Germans showed up in the queue next to me and I started talking to them. They were from Stuttgart and had been on the Air France flight to San Francisco. I asked them about the reason for the airspace closure and I remember one of them saying: "Allegedly, three aircraft have crashed in Los Angeles." I was quite shocked by hearing that and couldn't believe it.
Two hours must have passed before I arrived at the counter. I was still full of hope that I would be sent to a hotel and could simply take another flight to LAX on the next day or two days later. But then I started to realize that the hotels would be filled with Americans currently unable to return home. The agent behind the counter said that it was totally unclear when American airspace would be reopened again. "This could happen in two days, but it could also happen in ten days", he said. "What we can offer is a return flight to Germany - the alternative is to wait for the next available flight on your own expense." I quickly decided to fly home because I didn't want to take the risk of being stranded for days.
The final destination on my original itinerary was Nuremberg, but the last flight there had already departed. So the agent offered one of a few remaining seats on the last evening flight to Munich - and of course I agreed. After receiving the new ticket, I was really glad that I could escape from the chaos in the check-in hall. The French couple had in the meantime been looking after my two suitcases. I said thanks and goodbye and started rushing to Terminal 2A where my flight to Munich would depart in about 45 minutes. A very friendly agent quickly checked me in and then I needed to call home to arrange pickup. Unfortunately, I had decided to leave my mobile phone at home and I neither had any Francs nor a calling card. So I went to a counter again, quickly explained my situation and asked where I could get a telephone card. However, a very friendly female agent gave me her personal calling card and even explained how to use it.
Learning the truth
First of all, I called my parents, but couldn't reach them. Then I called my brother and luckily he answered after a while. "Where are you?", he asked with a slightly concerned voice. "Have you heard what happened?", he asked. "No, not really.", I replied. Then he told me the unthinkable: "The World Trade Center has collapsed after planes crashed into each tower - and another one crashed into the Pentagon!"
I immediately felt paralyzed and wasn't able to say anything. It took me a few moments to recover and I finally told him that I would arrive at Munich in about two hours. He promised to pick me up and I made my way to the gate.
Tuesday, September 11, 2001
Paris (CDG) - Munich (MUC)
Air France AF1222
Scheduled times: 21:15-22:45
Distance: 425 miles
F-GFKQ (MSN 002)
Built in 04/1987, delivered in 02/1991
A320-100, and not just that...
On the way to the gate I was still struggling to process the horrendous news. For the first time in my life, I was totally uninterested in the upcoming aircraft. After entering the gate area, I realized that the flight was delayed by 30 minutes, obviously due to an aircraft change. An A320 was parked at the gate - with cargo doors being closed and the jet bridge not being attached to it. I was expecting that it would be towed away, but soon some ground staff members started working on it. Just for statistics, I went to the window in order to check the registration. I identified "KQ" on the nose gear door...and much slower than usual I started thinking...F-GFKQ...that sounded somehow familiar, I was quite sure that it wasn’t a regular A320. Then I checked the wingtips - and winglets were indeed missing: it was a -100 series aircraft. Finally, I remembered that "KQ" was the second A320 frame ever built - and the oldest one in active service (MSN 001 has never left Airbus). I couldn't believe that I would fly on that very special and much desired aircraft on such a disastrous day - I definitely couldn't enjoy it at all. Of course, at a much later date, I was glad about being able to add it to my log. However, F-GFKQ will always be connected with that sad day.
The flight itself was rather eventless. It was very quiet in the cabin, most likely because most passengers had already heard the news. After eating a quite generous dinner (by today's standards), I tried to get some sleep. Later at MUC, I was glad that my cases had arrived as well. My brother picked me up and drove me home after that very uncommon daytrip. We listened to the radio news all the time and still couldn't believe what we heard.
Diversion to Montreal
As soon as I arrived at home, I called my American friends who had contacted Air France several times in order to check my flight's status. They already knew that my flight had returned to Paris and they had also been told that AF062 - the first flight bound for LAX - had diverted to Montreal...so I was really glad that I had chosen AF068.
On the next morning I called Air France and a friendly agent told me that I had the choice between a full refund and an alternative flight. Initially, I booked another flight which would leave seven days later - because I really wanted to visit my American friends. However, after carefully analyzing the situation, I realized that I wouldn't be able to spend an easygoing and enjoyable vacation in the United States shortly after 9/11. I finally decided to cancel my plans and accepted the refund. I postponed my trip to September 2002 and it turned out to be the right decision.
My failed trip and all the experiences on 9/11 will stay forever in my memory. However, while I got away with a nerve-wracking daytrip, thousands of other people have never returned home. Let us never forget the innocent people who lost their lives on 9/11 - and all those who have been suffering from the horrible events and the consequences ever since.
JL418 From Italy, joined Jun 2009, 493 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 24843 times:
Thanks a lot for this TR. I remember the previous version but I agree that another one was necessary. Your words have made me remember that day when, still a high school boy waiting to begin the next academic year - I sat on the sofa with the idea of watching some sports on Tv... and instead I found only news updates. I recall my mother coming back from work and then sitting with me for a long, long time. I hope we'll never experience anything like that anymore, neither us glued at TVs nor you on your plane nor families waiting for their loved ones.
infodesk From Switzerland, joined May 2006, 1497 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 24614 times:
I have tears in my eyes & goosebumps on my arms.
I remember reading your original post but today, 10 years later, it has much more impact. It must have been such a surreal situation to be in and little did you know during that flight what tragedy was unfolding.
May all the victims rest in peace.
"Do nothing in haste, look well to each step and from the beginning think what may be the end" - Edward Whymper
The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6812 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 24511 times:
Very chilling and sad report. I will never forget that day. I lived right next to LAX and it was very eerie that there were no aircraft taking off a few hours in to 9/11/01.
I too was affected by this event as were a lot of other people but in a very different way. Because of 9/11 the office where I worked was closed and I had to move to Northern Virginia. It took me 5 1/2 years before I could transfer back home. My son is still there and is more at home there than in California where he was born,
A special mention to the flight crews and passengers who perished that day. In my humble opinion, too much focus is on the people who parrished who were in the towers, not the people in the aircraft.
Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....LX and LH 777s
PlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 7099 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 24242 times:
Thanks for your comments, infodesk and Lars.
Quoting infodesk (Reply 5): It must have been such a surreal situation to be in and little did you know during that flight what tragedy was unfolding.
Quoting The777Man (Reply 6): I lived right next to LAX and it was very eerie that there were no aircraft taking off a few hours in to 9/11/01.
That must have been a very strange situation.
Quoting The777Man (Reply 6): It took me 5 1/2 years before I could transfer back home.
I'm glad you made it back to LA!
Quoting The777Man (Reply 6): A special mention to the flight crews and passengers who perished that day. In my humble opinion, too much focus is on the people who parrished who were in the towers, not the people in the aircraft.
You're right about that, I can only agree.
Thank for posting the great picture! When was it taken?
luxair747SP From Germany, joined May 2010, 533 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 23979 times:
what an intesive and I really had a shiver while reading it.
It really was touching to read the story of someone flying on that day.
Thanks a lot for sharing this very special report, and thank god, that you were able to return home safely on that day.
jchalupsky From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 23814 times:
Thank you for sharing that report. I think we all remember where we were on 9/11. On that fateful day I was standing watch on the USS Thach in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. In the middle of the night on an eerily calm ocean it was impossible to imagine the chaos happening in New York, Washington DC and Pennsylvania.
FlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1706 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 23489 times:
What a nice idea to post a remake of your classic report from that horrific day! You certainly chose an interesting day to head to the US, I bet you will remember that day forever!
Shorly before 9/11 I actually booked tickets to BOS from AF to travel in December 2001. Every single flight on that itinerary got changed due to the massive reshuffling of flights that took place after the events, including AF stopping their own (or Gill Airways actually) flights to HEL and opting to codeshare with AY from there onwards...
Quite ironic that you ended up with the coveted A321-100 series plane in the end, I guess every dark cloud does indeed have a silver lining!
malioil From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 23315 times:
Thank you for that eerie, yet very interesting trip report. I still remember the first one you wrote and it is very unique, giving us all an insight on how it must have felt being in the air on that sad tragic day.
I may have only been 7 when 9/11 happened, yet I still remember it like yesterday. I was in the hall downstairs when my dad and mom had their eyes glued to the news for hours. I was rummaging through a cupboard looking for something when the second plane crashed. I may have not understood the ramifications then, but today, it is so very clear. There will always be a pre-9/11 world, and a post 9/11 world in nearly everything, and of course more so in our world of aviation.
It seems that in the last decade our world has changed in so many big ways that its become almost unrecognizable. Weather it be for the best, or worst, is another matter entirely yet it is important today to recognize 9/11. First and foremost the victims, may they rest in peace, as well as the rescue crews, ATC, pilots and of course the people of the USA, and the world. But something we also need to remember is how 9/11 changed all of our lives, without fail. How on that tragic, sad day a page was turned in our history.
God bless all those who perished as well as those which risked their life to try and save another soul.
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 11): Shorly before 9/11 I actually booked tickets to BOS from AF to travel in December 2001. Every single flight on that itinerary got changed due to the massive reshuffling of flights that took place after the events, including AF stopping their own (or Gill Airways actually) flights to HEL and opting to codeshare with AY from there onwards...
Yes, I remember all these changes. I would have flown on AF 744s to and from LAX if I had taken the newly booked trip shortly after 9/11.
OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 29567 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 22085 times:
Hi very interesting to read your experience on that day . I think everyone remembers where they were. I was on a cruise ship docked in Corfu and it was such a lovely warm September day. I took a trip to Mouse Island near CFU Airport. On returning to the ship people were racing around and the echo of televisions was everywhere. My mate came running to me and told me what happened. Couldn't believe it. I think everyones lives changed a bit that day .
FLIEGER67 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 5243 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 22038 times:
good to re-read you´re 09/11 experience. That gives the right feeling for that special day in aviation and else.
Incidentally I was booked also to the States on AF these days. 09/11 was a Tuesday and I need to fly out at Thursday to SFO so if that not happened we´re in the States during the same time. You know that was impossible.
PlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 7099 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 21870 times:
Thanks for your comments, Philip and Markus.
Quoting OA260 (Reply 16): I was on a cruise ship docked in Corfu and it was such a lovely warm September day.
It was also a very nice and clear morning in New York. I remember watching a 9/11 TV documentary which started with a quote from a radio moderator about that.
Quoting OA260 (Reply 16): I think everyones lives changed a bit that day .
Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 17): Incidentally I was booked also to the States on AF these days. 09/11 was a Tuesday and I need to fly out at Thursday to SFO so if that not happened we´re in the States during the same time. You know that was impossible.
Very interesting - so did you postpone or cancel the trip?
MSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2474 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 20216 times:
Thanks for sharing this trip report, I as well needed a few times to read it before I could reply. It is still unimaginable what happened that day. This report hit my heart several times thinking about what happened.
May all victims rest in peace...
Next trip report: Well worn A330s and Hassle free MUC transfer
Sultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1947 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 19952 times:
I remember reading the original story back in the days when you first posted it. And yesterday you couldn't look at the TV and watch all these tragic events come back to life.
It's a painful tragedy which also forever changed the course of aviation in regards to fluent, painless and stressfree travel.
Things like this should never ever happen again...
workwings From United States of America, joined May 2010, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 19099 times:
Thank you so much Plane Hunter.
You are so right, the hotels at CDG were full. I was in one of them, en route to the US but having decided to spend the night of 11 September to recoup after a night flight from Africa.
We watched the televisions in the hotel lounges. I remember there was a Delta crew watching with me and we sat alternating being stunned and crying for several hours.
The next morning some of the people who had been on my Africa-CDG flight were at breakfast; everyone overwhelmed. One AF flight turned around, but had to land in Brest to refuel to get back to CDG. They were only told that US airspace was closed and all had feared a nuclear calamity of some sort.
Needless to say my trip to NY was cancelled. Most people had to wait several days for rescheduled flights.