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Tatl On KL And DL - Part 3 - MSP-AMS-LPI  
User currently offlinephotophil From Germany, joined Apr 2011, 210 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10408 times:

Due to the length and the amount of pictures I devided this report in three part - this is part three

LPI-AMS on KLM Fokker70
AMS-JFK on KLM B744 (my first time B747)
JFK-CLE on Delta Connection CRJ200
CLE-MSP on Delta Connection CRJ200
MSP-AMS on Delta B763 (my first time B767)
AMS-LPI on KLM Fokker70

routing of the whole trip

This part three of the report will cover the last two legs MSP-AMS-LPI.


After arrival at Minneapolis-St.Paul I had some hours before my overnighter to Amsterdam would depart. As I got the information where to find an observation deck at MSP this was the first point to go to as long as the light was still good for spotting.

Delta, Delta, Delta ... as far as the eye can see ...

Delta B757 during takeoff

old United paint scheme - and really dirty ...

US Airwas Express E-Jet

a little bit of Sweden at MSP - Saab 340

quite a lot of traffic now - and mostly Delta in the lineup for takeoff - and there was another line beside that one fo the same RWY !!!

nice - new Airline for me!!

After some time I decided to move to some point closer to my departure gate and to look whats going on at the other side of the terminal

and another new airline for me (sorry for the reflections)

that will be mine for the MSP-AMS connection - looks like an old one - even without winglets

Well, now it became really too dark for normal shots - so I made some test with panning shots - they worked out better then expected

Delta Connection in special livery

Delta Connection E-Jet

Delta MadDog

SunCountry - another new airline for me...

Then I went for some dinner and to spend the last dollars of cash for a magazine

MSP Lindbergh Terminal inside view

There are a lot of shops and Restaurants airside - a bit old style but everything you need (and a BurgerKing with view onto the apron)

Boarding went smooth and it seems most of the people stuck to the zone-system. Soon I had my seat - this time standard economy with smaller legroom


It seemed we got one of the older B763ER - no AVOD, only the screens in the aisle - really old-school http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/MSPAMSLPI16.jpg
The meal was served about 2 hours after takeof. I opted for the chicken instead of the pasta.

It consisted of chicken, rice, some vegetables, salad, cookies, crackers, a bit of cheese. Well that was it.

Drinks were served quite often during the flight. Mostly water but you could also ask for something else.

the night comes to an end

daytime !!

crossing the irish coast

our route went across northern ireland, isle of man, liverpool and the down to AMS

WOW, thats all??? Our (not so) great breakfast...

leaving Great Britain

I love this dotty clouds  

Without any announcement we started circling for about 10 to 15 minutes what seemed to be close to the dutch coastline.

During that with the often changing light and a lot of moisture in the air (we were within these dotty clouds) I saw an effect I had never experienced before. It only showed up very briefly and I was lucky to get a shot of it. The condensing moisture above the wing generated a beatiful rainbow!!!

rainbow on our wing

crossing the dutch coastline

touch down on Polderbaan at AMS

lots of spray due to the thrust reverse ....

During deboarding at AMS I asked the crewmember at the door if a look into the cockpit would be possible. His answer was just "sure, go on" followed by a loud "YOU HAVE A VISITOR" in direction of the pilot   Great guy ... I had some nice chat with the cockpit crew and was even allowed to take a seat on the pilots chair and he made a photo of me (which I will not show here - I look horrible after 24 hours awake and many hours on the plane). He also explained why we were kept on hold outside of the coast. AMS was completely closed down for some time due to heavy thunderstorms. That also explained the amounts of water on the runways.

B767-332ER Cockpit view

Then I took my way through passport control and one more safety check towards my connecting flight to Linköping that was scheduled for about one hour later.

AMS terminal view

AMS terminal view second edition

When I reached my new gate it was nearly time for boarding and soon after the "gate open" appeared on the screen ... but nothing happend. And nothing. And nothing. Then there was an announcement from the gate agent that our flight will be delayed "due to technical reasons". What a great news for the last leg and after being travelling for such a long time. Delay was announced to be 15 minutes. Ah, thats still managable. But the they announced a delay of about one to and-and-a-half hours. OHHHHHHHhhhhhh..... So I went to grab myself a dring and a muffin for the waiting time. After about one hour delay boarding finally started. After being brought to the plane by bus and seated the captain explained that the plane had some electrical problems and they had to get another aircraft and move everything to the new plane. Thats what took them s long. Well at least we were on our way now...

nice view on AMS terminal section E, F, G and H

here you have nearly the whole terminal complex with sections (from right to left) B, C, D, E, F (G and H not visible any more)

I slept nearly the whole flight (which is only 1.5 hours).
After arrival at LPI I asked again about visiting the cockpit, and it was allowed - hurray

Fokker70 Cockpit view

This was maybe my last F70 flight for some time as the LPI-AMS route will be switched to an E-190 from end of October

nice one  http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/MSPAMSLPI01.jpg
as it had started raining the replacement crew for the return flight had gotten shelter below the wing ...  

... and my next trip was to the supermarket for some dinner and my next breakfast ... and into my bed after being awake for abou 30 hours...

If I now have to compare KLM and Delta I would prefer KLM. Even if I found the DL staff more friendly, the equipment and also the food were a lot better on KLM.

Thanks for reading!



Other Trip Reports by photophil:

Tatl On KL And DL - Part 1 - LPI-AMS-JFK (by photophil Sep 24 2011 in Trip Reports)
Tatl On KL And DL - Part 2 - JFK-CLE-MSP (by photophil Sep 25 2011 in Trip Reports)
Two T-Tails Across The Baltic Sea - ARN-HEL-ARN (by photophil Sep 24 2011 in Trip Reports)
LPI-AMS-CDG On KLM And AirFrance (long) (by photophil Jul 4 2011 in Trip Reports)
CDG-AMS-LPI On AirFrance And KLM (by photophil Jul 5 2011 in Trip Reports)
MUC-AMS-LPI And Back On KLM (by photophil Jul 11 2011 in Trip Reports)
NUE-ZRH-NCE And Back By Swiss (by photophil Jul 4 2011 in Trip Reports)

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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6801 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10121 times:

Hi Phil!

Nice conclusion of your trip.

Dinner looks nice on DL but breakfast looks tiny ! That was it ??? Too bad you did not have a PTV on the DL 763 that makes a big diffrence for me when it comes to enjoying the flight.

I still have a to get used to that KL Cityhopper flies to LPI........Nice that people from Linkoping have such easy access to the world with connections thru AMS.


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User currently offlinemplsjefe From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9792 times:

Great report!

The A333 service is much more civilized from MSP to AMS than the 763 (much newer and nicer bird with AVOD and always seems to have a happier crew; also 2 of these per day than the one 763); I would recommend you try that in the future.

Also, the next time you are at MSP and have time, go out through security and head to the top of the closest parking ramp (about 8 stories up) and you can see all the action on all 4 runways and get a great view of downtown Minneapolis . . . although it can be windy and I would avoid this if it is very cold (dec-march), unless you are dressed appropriately.  


User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3677 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9567 times:

Nice set of report!

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
Delta, Delta, Delta ... as far as the eye can see ...

Yeah, lots of Delta in MSP! Kinda boring after a while.

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
Well, now it became really too dark for normal shots - so I made some test with panning shots - they worked out better then expected

Awesome photos - look great!

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
WOW, thats all??? Our (not so) great breakfast...

Better than the breakfast served on US CLT-LGW

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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6215 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9418 times:

That's the problem with KLM connections onward from AMS....
I LOVE KLM, and I LOVE the Fokker 70/100, but ALL of my Fokker flights to/from AMS have been delayed for mechanical. Except the single one that left on time..... only to turn around halfway to BRS with a technical fault.
So, as much as I enjoy both KL and the Fokkers, I avoid them now, because I like to reach my destination on time.

User currently offlineMSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2474 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9253 times:


Nice ending of your US trip report series. As I used to fly alot Delta Transatlantic so this review brings back some memories.

Like the spotting pics in MSP as well.


Next trip report: Well worn A330s and Hassle free MUC transfer
User currently offlinephotophil From Germany, joined Apr 2011, 210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 8652 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 1):
That was it ???

jep, that's all folks ....

Quoting The777Man (Reply 1):
I still have a to get used to that KL Cityhopper flies to LPI........Nice that people from Linkoping have such easy access to the world with connections thru AMS.

Yes, we only have two destinations here: AMS on KL F70 and CPH on NextJet Saab 340

Quoting mplsjefe (Reply 2):
The A333 service is much more civilized from MSP to AMS than the 763

maybe ... but I wanted to have the 767 ... I had never been on one before

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 3):
Awesome photos - look great!


Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 3):
Better than the breakfast served on US CLT-LGW

there can be even less then that  Wow!
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 4):
but ALL of my Fokker flights to/from AMS have been delayed for mechanical.

WOW, for me it was the first delay on six flights on that route

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 5):

Like the spotting pics in MSP as well.



User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4579 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8450 times:

Great report from the first part to the final part. Thanks for sharing. you seem to have had an excellent trip, and excellent time spotting. your photos were very well done and I enjoyed the commentary. You were lucky to have such "great" meals on DL. My experience has not been so fortunate. I had the choice of beef something and chicken whatever and I and my seat mate had chosen the beef because I found the chicken to be over cooked last time I had it. I could not finish the beef dish as it tasted horrible, matter how much i tried to salt it up and pepper it. I asked if I could change to the chicken and the F/A said that they were out of the chicken dish, but she brought me a sandwich from the business class section and I thought that was really something else that they would do that for you. Anyway enough bout me, great report. I am looking forward to your next journey and report.


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User currently offline767747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2094 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8055 times:
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Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 3):
Yeah, lots of Delta in MSP! Kinda boring after a while.

Yes sir ! I live here, and I get bored of seeing nothing but Delta !  

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