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User currently offlineG-KIRAN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2000, 736 posts, RR: 0
Posted (14 years 1 month 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7094 times:


It took me almost 5 months to write this report as I was too lazy.It was originaly about my WHOLE trip to Canada,thats SIN-NRT-YVR-YCL-YVR-NRT-SIN on JAL and AC.But for now I will just post this segment(SIN-NRT-YVR) and write up the rest when I can.

General Information
Date:15th December 2001
Airline:Japan Airlines
Duration:6hr 20min
Frequent Flyer Program:Air France Frequence Plus

Getting to the airport
Woke up at the very very early hour of 0500, I am a lazy bum!I had a really long hot water shower before calling a taxi to changi.The taxi came about 5 mins later at about 0600 and my cousin and I hopped in. We were both going to Vancouver, he was on SIA and I was stuck on JAL. The Pan Island Expressway was rather clear so we managed to get to Terminal One in about 15 mins.I leaped off,hauled out my suitcase and made my cousin pay the taxi bill when he was dropped off at T2.

Jam packed!The Indian Airlines flight to Madras and Bangalore was due to leave at the same time as mine,so every single relative was there to accompany of every single passenger.Everywhere I travel, I seem to notice something about Indians, they seem to bring everything including the kitchen sink.I went over to the flight informations board only to find that the check-in desk for my flight was not yet open and this is after 9/11 and its just under 2 hours to departure on a long haul flight with possible connections to the US!The check-in desk eventually open at 0640,but I still had to wait about 10 mins in line for the x-ray machine.Check-in went smoothly and I was cleared through all the way to YVR.However, I and several passengers on transit at NAR enroute to the US and Canada had to be screened by police officers.I was not really suprised by this,I dont look British(to some people anyway and I am trying to grow a goatee!).My couple in front of me had Indian passports,no doubt on the way to california and the police officers spent ages checking their tickets and asking them questions.I was spared this, thanks to "Her Britannic Majesties Government....".The large group behind me who sounded American who were also going to YVR were just as quick as me.

Before Boarding
I went through immigration very very quickly and headed to the shops. First stop was the computer store to check out the minus GST price of FS2002 Pro,it was around S$90 if I remember correctly.From there I moved to the book shop and completed my Bill Bryson collection by buying 'Notes from a small island'.After that I then settled down into the very comfortable chairs in the transit lounge and watched a bit of ESPN.Somehow I wish I never was living in SIN because whenever I transit any other regional airport,KLIA included, I get bored stiff.Outside the window was a QANTAS 767-300ER at gate C20 for its flight to Perth.I tried a shot through the tinted glass with my lousy Sony digital.Three months later as I am finally finishing off this trip report, I finally managed to settle on a Minolta SLR with a 100-300mm lens for just S$500, body,lens and bad included.

I went to the boarding gate(C4) around 20 mins before departure and there was a long queqe at the entrance.There was a police officer checking everyones passport and that was it.I was stopped at the x-ray due to "something bulky",it was in fact a massive pack of batteries for my digital camera.There were no seats in the lounge which was jam full with people even sitting on the floor.Boarding was called about 10 mins for those with small children and the like.So down the aerobridge I went and was greeted Japanese style which assumes that everyone is some kind of monarch, "Ohiogozaimus!Hai!", to be said while bowing until for face is parallel to the floor. My seat was 55A which as I requested at check in was just behind the wing.Next to our plane was an Air China A340. Overall the cabin interior was okay with purple seats,but not much has changed since I last flew JAL on KUL-SIN-KUL with a MD11 both ways 2 years ago.

Takeoff and climb to cruise level
We pushed back at around 0850 from gate C4. We taxied to runway 02L via taxiways WCX, Wp and W8. We taxied rather fast and on my left hand side was the construction site for the new terminal 3. After holding for a few minutes at the holding point of W8 we moved onto the runway and were cleared for takoff. Engines went straight to takeoff thrust and we shot off. Takeoff on the MD11 is great-very noisy! The pilot rotated somewhere short of the west cargo arpon. Our inital routing was on the Mersing 1A route to the VMR/Mersing VOR and from there out over the Sotuh China Sea. Our cruise level was at first 35000 feet and soon after takeoff the cabin crew came around with the usual orange and some strange Japanese nuts called ohamatsu(???).

After leveling of at 35000 feet, the pilot came on the air and when on about the usaul gossip of how glad and happy he was that we had chosen JAL...blah blah!Anyway he gave us some information on our route which from the intail departure would take us all the way to Manila and from the north towards Japan flying over the Tropic of Cancer and into Tokyo-Narita.

About 2 hours after takeoff we were served brunch, I cant remember what the choices were but I went for something called Beef Beaujolais which was....wait for it....disgusting! My tray had apart from the beef, sobe noodles, orange jelly,yoghurt and bread. After spending sometime figuring out how to deep my sobe into the sauce etc I was fed up and moved onto the beef. Its texture on my tongue felt like slime and tasted like nothing. So I spent most of my time eating the sauce and the pasta that came with it. The dessert and yogurt were excellent.For some reason I always love the dessert offered on planes,although I cant say the same about the main course.

After the meal some Japanese programs were shown in the main screen,while I just listened to the various music channels.On paper the line up for the modern pop channel did not look good,there was only one song I like while the rest I either hated on had never heard of.But some of them were so good that I would kill if I could get the JAL entertainment guides that gives me the names!I spent the next few hours reading 'It does not take a hero' by Norman Scwarzhkopf and sleeping.Overall I found the seating pitch to be fine,after all I am used to bumming it around on long hauls in economy.

By the time I woke up we were about 1 hour away from Tokyo and the cabin crew were busy serving a snack which consisted of a sandwich,more Japanese peanuts and yoghurt.You should know the rest....I only took the yoghurt and the peanuts!

Descent and Landing
We started our descent from 37000 feet.Below there were a few container ships and funny white marks on the sea.These turned out to be foam from the waves-must be hell down there!As we approached the coast Mount Fuji was clearly visible in the distance.We were on a Venus south arrival which involved us coming straight in on the 336 radial of the NRE VOR beforelanding on runway 34.

Visibilty around Tokyo was very very high at least 50 miles.I could see central Tokyo in the distance with a few rain clouds give it a shower.Narita is located away from central Tokyo so the approach was rather interesting with burnt brown fields of dont know what.

A few miles from the threshold the flaps and gear were fully lowered.One thing I have notice about MD11 flaps is that their not slated like those found on some boeing aircraft.The landed very softly miles away from the piano keys so the pilot had to apply maximum reverse thrust which threw a few unsuspecting passengers forward.He then braked heavily and pulled off the runway via A2 onto taxiway A.

The first thing a newcomer notices about Narita is that it looks more like an airport in America.I saw about 5 United aircraft and close to 8 Northwest aircraft at the terminals and that excludes those that were parked else where!We pulled in towards terminal 1 and parked in front of the JAL cargo terminal in bay 202.I dont know why but maybe there were no gates free at terminal two.I was the last off the plane and went down the stairs to the waiting bus.

General Information
Date:15th December 2001
Airline:Japan Airlines
To:Vancouver Intl
Duration:8hr 30min
Frequent Flyer Program:Air France Frequence Plus

In Transit
The bus took us through some roads which reminded me somewhat of Heathrow.After a while the bus pulled up somewhere and I got out and went up some stairs to what seemed to be a transit lounge.From there there was a security check before I could enter the main concourse.The queue for the security check was very long.I was in line for around 20 minutes and my batteries caught the attention of the operator again.So I had to get them out of my bag and explain to the very polite officer what they were for.After the check I went though a short passage way and entered the main concourse of terminal 2.Now I only had slightly more than an hour to spare before my flight departed,so I headed straight down to gate B74 where my flight was due to leave.

From the main concourse there is a ramp that leads down to the holding lounge which was-very full.I managed to find some space on the ledge by the window has there was once again no free seats for me to sit in.In front of me was a 747-300 and next to that was another 747-300,but this time in the Reso'cha livery.The large group of Americans from Singapore were also there,if you cant remember look back near the top of this post.Three adults and 5 children at the most younger than 8.For all my travels they have to be the most well behaved kids I have ever seen.Soon an anouncement came on the intercom saying that all passengers should have their passports ready for checking in accordance to Canadian laws.Some officers started going around with marker pens and started to check the boarding passes and passports of the passengers.When one of them came to me she asked for my boarding pass and passport very very politly.Without a doubt despite the language barrier,I must say that the Japanese ground crew in general are the most helpful and polite in the world-the worst being those who work at Kuala Lumpur International Airport!Upon seeing that I ahd a Singapore boarding pass she promptly got me a new JAL card.After flicking through my passport,she marked my boarding pass with her highlighter and moved on.

Another 10 minutes went by before one of the ground staff hung two cards,one saying "Economy" while the other said "Seasons" on some hooks above the jetway.We were then asked to form two lines.In theory it works,but in practice when you have only a handful and seasons passengers and over 300 economy class passengers,its not so good.So in the end it was the traditional method of those with children and Seasons passengers first,followed by the rest according to row numbers.

So I finally managed to squeeze through only to be pulled over for another security check which was taking place at the entrance to the jetway,of all places.I went through the full body check with that neeper thingy and had my hand luggage rummaged through plus I had some questions fired at me which included,"Are you carrying a knife or any other sharp objects?

So I went down the jet way and was greeted in typical JAL fashion with the bow and all.The aircraft like the MD11 looked dated,well what would you expcet when its a dash 300.The walls had a creamy tinge with palm tree motifs.My seat was blue with faded yellow flowers.Hmmm the 1970s look and here we are in the year 2001.The seat ptich remind me of SIA economy on the 747.I could hardly lift one leg up with ramming my shin into the seat in front of me and kneeing my neighbour.So in this case I had to adpt and improvise.By moving my hand luggage out from under the seat in front of me,I put the foot rest up and streched my legs out and placed my luggage directly under my knees.

Takeoff and climb to cruise level
We pushed back right on schedule and outside it was pitch black.The Japanese are reall y pro when it comes to sending planes off.They line up outside the aircraft,bow(yes you guessed it) and wave as the plane taxies away.From the terminal two area we taxied all the way down taxiway oscar and then onto tango,charlie and finally alpha.We joined a line of around 3 planes,all wide-bodies waiting to take off.

After around 10mins of bumming around,we finally got clearence to take off from runway 34.A massive roar came from the P&Ws as we pushed down the runway.It was a very long take off run and we used up almost 80% of the runway before we finally rotated.Our initial route involved a right turn after a few thousand feet towards what seemed to be the Choshi VOR,judging by the river that we crossed.That meant that we were down a Choshi 6 departure.From Choshi we left the coast and continued into the darkness.

The captain came on the intercom again to welcome us on board and he gave us some deatils of our flight,of which the only thing I could make out was the altitude which was 39000 feet.After that the cabin crew came along with the Japanese nuts and the ususal juice and coffee.Following that came dinner,I went for the noodles in a vegatable starch sauce.No prizes for guessing,but it was awful once again.So instead I juts tucked into the dessert,bread and salad that was also provided.

After dinner they dimmed the lights and started 'Legally Blond' on the main screen.The film was really goo and it was the only entertainment highlight of my whole SIN-NRT-YVR-NRT-SIN trip on JAL.After that I just went to sleep as there was nothing to do.Like in the MD11s I found the seat quite comfortable although I felt should recline more.

After sleeping for around 6 hours I woke up as the sun came over the horizon with total cloud cover below.Thanks to a certain major storm that it the Vancouver area the day before I arrived i deprived of seeing any scenary at all.Shortly after ward we were served a sala with yoghurt and the like.For once I like everything that they served me on JAL!

Descent and Landing
The captain came online again telling everyone about the weather conditions on the ground and I managed to hear a couple of gasps behind me while he was telling us about gale force winds the night before and the heavy turbulence and crosswinds that we were to expcet during our descent.So down we went into the couds with the plane rocking up,down,left,right,centre,inverse and inside out.This countinued for over 15 minutes non-stop and I managed to get a glimpse of the ground through a break in the clouds.Assuming our general direction of travel from Tokyo I guess that it must have been some part of Vancouver Island that I had seen.

From there it was another 5 miuntes before we finally broke clear of the clouds with several vortexs streaming from the wings.The scene was totally British-dull skys,dull everything with the straits of Juan De Fuca below looking very unplesant.We finally touched down on a soaked 08L and the captain applied a short blast of reverse thrust.We taxied off the runway on taxiway M5 and then followed taxiway M towards the green house terminal.I saw the blue and yellow fin of a SIA A340 sticking out from behind the upper deck of an Air Canada 747-400,annoucing that my cousin had arrived.

We parked next to a China Airlines 747-400 which had arrived just before us.Everyone promptly got up,grabbed their bags and stood there for the full 5 minutes that it took for them to get the doors open.I just sat in my seat,grabbed the inflight magazine,put it in my bag and watched an Air Canada A320-200 abort its landing and go around.

The international terminal of Vancouver is very nice and I like the waterfall that leads to immigration.At the immigration counter I was aked a very long list of question ranging from what I do to if I have a criminal record to what am I doing here in Canada.I was expecting this so I had a neatly typed out list of my various destinations such Banff and Tofino.My bags were already waiting and I picked them up and headed outside and stood next to the gaint totem poles that are in the international arrivals area to wait for my cousin.

Overall I found that JAL was an OK airline to fly with apart from the food.Hopefully if I ever get of my butt than I might post the trip on AC and the return leg back to SIN.After that I will post a report about my upcoming trip to FCO and CDG on AF on the 23rd of may.

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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4785 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (14 years 1 month 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6779 times:

Excellent read! I have flown JAL on trans-Pacific flights many times before and I must say they are good! SIN to HNL, SFO, LAX, YVR... That was way back when I was still in school...

Narita, as far as I am concerned, is a drab. That satellite terminal where the flights depart from is a mess! The lack of a PA system makes boarding a chore, with agents shouting at the top of their voices! Read my report on NW ORD-DTW-NRT-SIN... you'll know what I mean. It just seems so 3rd world! But wait - its Japan! The most developed country in Asia! I place NRT next to Detroit, Jakarta, HKG (Kai Tak), Subang, Oakland... as one of the yuckiest airports I have ever been to.

JAL has the 747-300s, not the -200SUDs. FYI... Other than KLM, I cannot think of another airline that has that model. Comments anyone?

Before I end, I must agree with you abt KLIA. They have one of the rudest ground / immigration staff I have ever seen. Sometimes I wonder why they even bother turning up for work??

U get 5 stars from me... Smile

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User currently offlineJ-bird From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (14 years 1 month 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6724 times:

Great report... I was just thinking that I hadn't seen anything from JAL/Tokyo for a while and there your report popped up.

Your flight with JAL sounds similar to my recent experiences - an earnest crew let down by a slightly tired product, at least on "non-elite" routes like NRT-YVR. I flew NRT-LHR last year and the perks were a little better (744, on demand games in economy etc.) but the service was stiff. Perhaps it was because it was just post-9/11?

Anyway, great report.


User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2435 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (14 years 1 month 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6704 times:

The Indian Airlines flight to Madras and Bangalore was due to leave at the same time as mine,so every single relative was there to accompany of every single passenger.Everywhere I travel, I seem to notice something about Indians, they seem to bring everything including the kitchen sink.

True... however, an even larger problem on the SIN-India runs (especially SIN-MAA, and to a lesser extend SIN-BLR) is the prevalence of 'carriers' among passengers. These are people who travel with smuggled goods (which are sometimes conterfeit) bought on the cheap in BKK/KUL/SIN and try to sell it at a premium in India.

The carriers get paid a decent fee by the smuggling groups, to take along all the stuff in their luggage, and hopefully avoid customs confiscation at their point of entry in India. I guess these guys are oblivious to the fact that, post-economic reforms, they can buy such stuff legally in India at comparable prices instead of bringing their countrymen a bad rep with this racket.

In any case, I personally cleared SIN immigration/customs 6 times last year flying India-US without the least bit of a hassle, despite my Indian passport. But then all I had on me was a backpack and a paperback or two  Smile

User currently offlineSQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1827 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (14 years 1 month 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6654 times:

Don't mean to poke fun at any race here, but I have an honest question that I want to ask any Indians out there...

I worked at the airport for a couple of years, and 9 out of 10 Indians that I came across will have excess baggage regardless of the destination they are flying to. And they will always tell you they can't pay for the excess baggage (actually some of them will refuse to pay a dime and start hurling verbal abuses at the airline accusing the airline of racial discrimination etc just so that they airline will waive the charges. Some Indian ladies have the ability to cry at will too! Have always been amazed at their ability to do that, seriously). Do note that these are not Indians that are poor...they are well educated English speaking Indians...

I am always curious what they pack inside their bags that make them so very heavy? Hope Indians in this forum will not take my post negatively... I am just trying to understand them better.

Anyone care to enlighten me?

There's always a better way to fly...
User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4785 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (14 years 1 month 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6644 times:

They might be carrying another pax in their luggage? Hahahaha... sorry bad joke

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User currently offlineCorsairf/a From France, joined Oct 2000, 373 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (14 years 1 month 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6633 times:

AF got two B747-300 (SUD) in their fleet inherated from UTA.

User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2435 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (14 years 1 month 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6632 times:

SQ772: Maybe we Indians as a people are incapable of packing light  Smile You'll see the same in railway stations around the country as well. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that people until recently, did not travel much. Even if they did, it was usually for extended durations of a month+ . Therefore they usually pack a lot. I guess they end up erring on the conservative side and packing a lot more than needed on every occasion. Just a guess... I don't know for sure. I get pretty exasperated with big-packers myself.

As far as the histrionics over avoiding excess baggage fees go - those who try such things deserve to be called cheap, because thats what they are. I always pack light - my summer/winter trips home involved just one 22' rollaboard-style suitcase (which I usually checkin anyway) and a backpack. I've been asked "that's all you're checking in ?" more than once at SFO/LAX checkin before an SFO/LAX-SIN-MAA/BLR flight.

G-KIRAN: sorry for taking your trip report thread in another direction. Your TR was a pretty fun read. I've always wanted to try JAL sometime.

User currently offlineSQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1827 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (14 years 1 month 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6585 times:

Ryanair..hahah bad joke with a high chance of getting flamed later...

I have actually seen some of them removing things from their luggage...and you'll be amazed to see the amount of gifts they claim to be bringing for their relatives overseas! Indians must be the most generous people around!!!

But lotsa times, I see lotsa Saris, pots and pans inside... are Saris that heavy? Saris I can understand, but bringing pots and pans to the USA??!! Anyway, every race has their own idiosyncracies...

There's always a better way to fly...
User currently offlineG-KIRAN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2000, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (14 years 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6576 times:

Thanks for the comments!

User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4785 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (14 years 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6566 times:

Disclaimer: the sensitive issue of race... err... is not meant to be offensive. Just a casual observation.

Well... while we are on the case of Indians, many of them work overseas and when they return to their homeland, they are considered their pride and joy of the village. You can imagine the proud feeling of "I've made it" that particular person is feeling.

Hence, showing their prosperity by buying gifts is not uncommon. Hi-fi sets, pots / pans, even the occassional earthern pots. These people do not travel very often so I can imagine their relatives must be so proud of them, coming home from greener pastures!  Smile

But you can imagine the antics they pull on the S'pore-India sectors! The stories below were told to me by friends working as cabin crew in SIA, and another Indian friend of mine who travels rather frequently between Singapore and Kerala (an Indian state).

Story no.1
This Indian man was shouting at the top of his voice on a SIA A310 fm SIN to Madras (Chennai) some time back. "Excuse me, Miss! Excuse me, Miss!"... Wanting anything possible from a pack of cards to pillow and blankets, much to the annoyance of his fellow pax around him. A sympathetic stewardess ambled down the aisle towards him and silently said...

"Sir, you don't have to shout. Just press this button (she fingered the crew-call button on his armrest) and I will come to you"

So then, after the stewardess walked away, he kneeled down next to his armrest, pressed the crew-call button and whispered into it "Excuse me, Miss."
Story no.2
I had a friend working on a SIN-MAA flight who had to answer to some frantic passengers in the Y Class cabin. A group of pax took out their earthern pot and tried to light a fire, wanting to start cooking supper.
Story no.3
I had a Indian friend who was returning to Kerala from SIN and so she boarded an SIA A310 to MAA. As she settled down on her seat, she noticed another Indian man getting very impatient with a stewardess...

"Miss, I want a peticoat!"

Our poor stewardess didn't understand what the man was trying to say because he kept insisting on a peticoat. Meanwhile, he kept repeating the word "peticoat" like a broken record.

My friend decided to help the poor chap and spoke to him in Malayalee... it was then she found out that the man was cold, and all he wanted was a blanket
Story no.4
On this same flight, the cabin crew started handing out towels before pushback. The pax next to my friend promptly took the rolled up towel and started to chew on it, thinking it was a bread roll.

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User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6383 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (14 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6549 times:

Great trip report G-Kiran, very detailed and interesting. I must say not only Indians like to overpack and take as much things as possible you should see flights going and coming from Latin America . On my flight coming home this past Thursday from MCO to SJU this man was carying some plants on board, and when we Latinos go back to the U.S. we like to take food, fruits and vegetables from our respective countries.

Fly the Flag!!!!
User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1805 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (14 years 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6468 times:

Great Report !! Hope you had fun at YVR . I was there a couple of years ago , the airport is very nice but i dont really like spotting planes at the airport . Fortunately for me I stayed near the airport which is opposite my hotel ( Radisson hotel ) . I can spot planes in bright day light .

I hope to go back to Vancouver one day .


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