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Biman BG 27: JAN/11: DAC-CGP: Y Cabin/D10  
User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5090 posts, RR: 55
Posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 16084 times:

Feedback always appreciated.




I > Background:
Flying a tri-jet has become a luxury as airlines around the world retire the last of the D10, M11, L10, and 727's. For those of us who find the aircraft graceful, the few opportunities are always to be seized and enjoyed. Keeping this in mind, I decided to use a business development opportunity in Malaysia to hop over to Bangladesh and try Biman's venerable D10.

Now, as some can attest, flying a BG D10 is no easy task - between all the IROP's and gauge changes, it is always a matter of luck. Moreover, buying a BG ticket itself is quite the task - especially when the various GDS show different availability and flight operation day/time. How this airline is managed remains beyond me!

Anyways, I managed to find an Indian website which would issue Biman ticket's but only international (www.cleartrip.com - btw, I completely recommend them for any random ticketing - they are really good) and decided that given my short free time and day of week constraint (Friday only), I'd fly Biman's short DAC-CGP hop that continues on to AUH. This total domestic ticket meant I'd have someone at a BG office ticket it! I would then fly the "other" United back. The flight times made for an interesting quick turn trip, and all I needed was Biman to be on time ...

While this *might* be the first review of BG's DAC-CGP operation, there has been some great reviews of BG's D10 operations on A.Net such as:
+ Sutrakhk: Photo Report: My Trip For BG’s DC-10-30 (63 Pics) (by sutrakhk Jul 23 2010 in Trip Reports)
+ Loran: DC-10-30 Biman - Bangladesh Airlines: BG78 DAC-HKG (by Loran Dec 25 2009 in Trip Reports)
+ Airpearl: Trijets Rule OK: Biman Bangladesh DC10-30 (by Airpearl Jun 25 2008 in Trip Reports)

II > Pre-Flight:

a) Before Airport:
Biman Bangladesh Airlines is the flag carrier airline of Bangladesh. Created in February 1972, Biman enjoyed an internal monopoly in the Bangladesh aviation industry until 1996. In the decades following its founding, the airline expanded its fleet and destinations, but it was adversely affected by corruption and mishaps. At its peak, Biman operated flights to 29 international destinations as far away as New York City to the west and Tokyo to the east. The airline has suffered heavy financial losses, and has a reputation for poor service because of regular flight cancellations and delays caused by its ageing fleet.

Well, the good news is that Biman has a website. At http://biman-airlines.com/*, you can take a trip down memory lane and witness how airline websites used to be. Leave alone buying an online ticket, tracking flight schedules, or even buying them through a GDS/OTA became a challenge. I had to contact a colleague in Delhi to go to the BG office and have him buy me tickets. Of course, forget about pre-assigned seats and itinerary views, etc. But then again, the purpose of flying Biman was not to live in 2011, but to re-visit 1975.

*: Since my flight this seem to have changed as I just went and saw a rather smart website. Someone has to see if the tickets can actually be bought.

b) At Airport:
Dhaka's Shah Jalal airport (formerly known as Zia International) has two "terminals". There is the relatively modern recently refurbished terminal 1 where all international flights leave from. And then, there is terminal 2 - where domestic flights within Bangladesh depart from. It is as "old school South Asia" as it can get with the outside, and I got plenty of stares as my taxi pulled to the entrance.

Biman has these very retro counters, and a nice lady quickly checked me in and informed me to proceed to the gate immediately. Apparently, once again, I was the last to check-in. She gave me a seat in the front row - making me realize that BG must have gotten rid of the J-class cabin on these birds.

Security check was clear, and throughout the terminal I kept on getting these "what is the white man doing here" looks. It is actually quite interesting as I have stopped getting them in most Indian cities - guess with so many foreigners living there, it was inevitable. Another thing I find so cool is the genuine Bangladeshi hospitality. People are genuinely nice - they remind me a bit of the people in Calcutta. I am an outsider, but got a sense of a tragedy that the British had to divide these people. So completely unnecessary.

By the time I got to the gate, boarding had been in full swing, and I just joined the line that eventually took me to a bus. I found it rather pointless as the plane was docked at a gate - but guess passengers board through it if flying internationally (post immigration) to cities? What do our Dhaka experts think?

Anyways, the drive to the plane was awesome as I was able to truly appreciate the beauty of the D10. They sure don't make aircraft like it these days. Personally, the old Biman livery looked great and I developed this tremendous smile.

Climbing back through stairs, I entered the D10 with its magnificent folding door. The two pursers did not smile much and just pointed me to my seat. Load was around 80% in an interesting configuration - the front of the plane which housed the erstwhile JCL had all "important looking people", BG employees, and the token white guy. In the second cabin were the laborers headed to Abu-Dhabi and presumably other points in the Gulf region. Interesting form of "segregation" I thought ...

Airport - External:

(Dhaka Airport)


(Terminal 2 - not where domestic flights depart from)

*

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(The much more old school domestic terminal)


Check-in:



Airport - Internal:


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(FIDS)
What's that?

(Post Security @ DAC)
NONE
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Scenes of the tarmac:

NONE



Lounge

NONE



Boarding:


(Gate Area)
NONE

(Boarding: One goes through these stairs to a bus taking them to the plane where they go back up)


III> In-Flight:

a) Service Schedule + Impressions:
While on the ground, I was surprised to receive pre-departure drink of water, juice, and a candy. Nothing offered during the flight.

b) Aircraft + Seats:
The sole reason of taking this flight was to experience Biman and her D10 once last time. It completely "hit the spot". The aircraft remains majestic and the sound of the engine was intoxicating. Stepping into the cabin immediately transports one thirty years back. Biman still has the very colorful 1970's inside that reminds me of the U.S. airline from that era (can anyone remember who it was?). I also thought it looked a bit like Swiss' SFO 340.

The seat controls and surroundings were a riot - the dingy lighting contributed to that entire sense that I was in 1974. As with any aircraft during this time, the seats continued to be extremely comfortable with generous recline and decent pitch. The other interesting thing was that the fake JCL cabin where I was seated had 2-4-2 layout, while the rest of the plane had a 2-5-2 layout. Can someone please confirm whether these were the original ones and if it changed, when?

Finally, as to be expected, the bathrooms continued the generally dingy trend.

Aircraft:
(The gorgeous DC-10 still looks splendid, and I am a fan of BG's old logo - classy )


Views from Aircraft:

(JL? What is it doing in DAC?)


General Seat Views + Seat Legroom

(Seat)

*
(Front of seat)

*
(Seat controls: love these old dials)

*

*
(Legroom: above average)


Seat Recline + Angle View:

(Extremely generous recline)

*

*


Cabin:

(The front part)

*
(The back part)

*


(Blanket ++: Remarkably clean)


(Bathroom)
*

*
(Amenities)
NONE
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(Panel)

*

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(I miss these window work - Air India has them as well!)


c) Meal + Beverage:
After the pre-take off combination of water, juice, and candy, I actually hoped/thought we would get a small meal on the flight. Sadly, this was not to be - and the entire flight had the crew give us nothing, or do any water run. To be fair, a flight of 142 miles, I was not utterly disappointed.

(Take off drinks and candy)

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d) Inflight Entertainment:
While Biman's aircraft came equipped with awesome 1970's IFE complete with the
cool dial", this must be saved for the CGP-AUH segment as I got to see nothing of that. I was hoping for an in-flight magazine, but was disappointed to find there were none. I do wonder if Biman has any of these magazines, or, were they saved for the "flagship" flights.

(IFE Screen)


(“In-flight magazines”, Boarding Passes, etc.: @ CGP, the boarding passes were in handwritten stock - I "stole" a few ... and will now make my own boarding passes)


e) Crew:
The very maternal Biman ladies were nowhere to be seen after the first greeting and distribution of juices. I got a sense that they don't particularly like these Gulf flights - what was interesting was that they were extremely nice to the "important" looking people who also populated the fellow pseudo- JCL cabin. I did not recognize them, but got an impression that they were Biman bigwigs, or other important people.

IV> Post-Flight:
Landing in CGP was smooth, and having no luggage meant I was landside in 5 minutes.

(@ CGP)


V> Impressions + Scores:
Biman is one of those "basket-case" airlines which have provided ample entertainment to A.Net readers and airline observers over the years. Their unending aircraft delivery and restructuring saga is legendary. This trip was not about all that - it was to sample the DC-10 one final time. It did not let me down. It is a majestic bird and I had an awesome time.

As a service provider, Biman leaves much to be desired. It is decades behind its peers in anything remotely interesting - no IFE, no magazines, no F&B service (this I can overlook), no online booking engine, etc. are completely sad in 2010-11. While other state owned airlines can be this poor, at least their crew is usually very good. Take Iran Air as an example. Biman does not even have that - and it is sad really as Bangladeshis are VERY kind and hospitable people.

While a DAC-CGP segment does not give enough time to judge, if I had the choice, and was interested in flying for other purposes, I'd look elsewhere. A thumps down for BG - an airline I would not go out looking to fly.



VI> Other Trip Reports:

PREMIUM:
9.27: JET AIRWAYS **FIRST** (110): LHR-BOM: 10/2010
9.27: THAI AIRWAYS **FIRST** (108): BKK-LHR: 07/2010
8.66: Brussels Airlines (93): FIH-BRU: 01/2010
8.64: Turkish Airlines (59): JFK-IST: 11/2008
8.63: Jet Airways (88): JFK-BRU: 10/2009
8.61: Air Canada (49): YYZ-SCL: 06/2008
8.54: Turkish Airlines (77): GRU-DKR-IST: 04/2009
8.36: Kingfisher (98): BOM-HKG: 01/2010
8.30: Jet Airways (74): KWI-BOM: 04/2009
8.23: United Airlines (72): SFO-SYD: 03/2009
8.11: Aeroflot (33): MOW-DEL: 09/2007
8.05: Air India (80): CCU-JFK: 06/2009
8.04: Korean Air (40): NRT-ICN: 10/2007
8.02: Delta Airlines (24): JFK-CDG: 08/2007
7.82: UNITED AIRLINES **FIRST** (110): SFO-ICN: 10/2010
7.82: Singapore Airlines (06): EWR-SIN: 09/2006
7.66: Sri Lankan (104): DEL-CMB: 07/2010
7.64: Royal Jordanian (91): AMM-YUL: 12/2009
7.61: China Southern (103): LOS-DXB: 04/2010
7.57: Pakistan Airlines (102): ORD-BCN: 06/2010
7.46: LAN (55): YYZ-JFK: 09/2008
7.38: AMERICAN AIRLINES **FIRST** (112): LHR-JFK: 10/2010
7.38: CATHAY PACIFIC **FIRST** (109): HKG-LHR: 10/2010
7.25: Iran Air (88): BOM-IKA: 12/2009
7.23: Air Pacific (120): NAN-APW-HNL: 01/2011
7.23: Virgin Atlantic (81): BOS-LHR: 07/2009
7.14: Swiss (52): SCL-GRU: 06/2008
7.11: Aer Lingus (105): MAD-IAD: 05/2010
7.11: Austrian (79): VIE-JFK: 06/2009
7.07: Privatair (84): BOM-FRA: 08/2009
7.02: Qatar (68): DOH-JFK: 01/2009
6.96: Etihad (61): JFK-AUH: 12/2008
6.93: Delta Airlines (18): SEA-JFK: 11/2006
6.84: ConViasa (65): CCS-DAM: 01/2009
6.82: Air Burkina (106): BKO-OUA: 06/2010
6.81: Air Canada (17): ICN-YYZ: 10/2006
6.75: Afriqiyah + Libyan (113): CAI-TIP: 11/2010
6.70: KLM (32): EBB-AMS: 08/2007
6.52: Emirates (99): LHR-DXB: 02/2010
6.39: South African (97): EZE-JNB: 01/2010
6.36: Privatair (60): MUC-BOS: 12/2008
6.29: TAM Brasil (96): POA-EZE: 02/2010
6.25: Korean Air (45): NAN-ICN: 10/2007
6.21: Iberia (87): BOS-MAD: 10/2009
6.11: A SKY (107): OUA-COO: 06/2010
6.11: TAP Portugal (53): GRU-OPO: 06/2008
6.00: Gulf Air (75): BOM-BAH: 04/2009
5.88: African Express (89): DXB-NBO: 11/2009
5.75: Singapore Airlines (16): CCU-SIN: 10/2006
5.64: SATA Azores (101): BOS-PDL: 04/2010
5.64: NorthWest (46): ICN-NRT-SEA: 10/2007
5.54: Ethiopian Airlines (95): ADD-BOM: 01/2010
5.46: Icelandair (83): KEF-BOS: 08/2009
5.39: LOT (54): WAW-JFK: 06/2008
5.21: Egypt Air (73): CAI-IST: 02/2009
5.11: Tunisair (115): TUN-ORY: 12/2010
5.07: TACA (66): JFK-SAP: 01/2009
4.89: TAAG Angola (117): TMS-LAD: 12/2010
4.42: Air France: CDG-JNB (25): 08/2007

ECONOMY: Long + Medium:
9.26: Air India (48): JFK-DEL: 02/2008
7.38: Avianca (01): BOG-LIM: 07/2006
7.07: Sri Lankan (62): KWI-CMB: 12/2008
7.00: LAN (94): IPC-SCL: 01/2010
6.81: STP Airways/Euro Atlantic (116): LIS-TMS: 12/2010
6.41: Avianca (78): JFK-BOG: 05/2009
6.41: American Airlines (58): LHR-BOS: 11/2008
6.39: Condor (85): SEZ-FRA: 09/2009
6.26: Jet Blue (21): CUN-JFK: 02/2007
6.11: Caribbean Airlines (119): POS-FLL: 01/2011
6.06: Air Canada (04): YYZ-YVR: 09/2006
5.89: USA 3000 (19): PUJ-BDL: 01/2007
5.85: Spanair (69): MAD-LPA: 02/2009
5.79: Air New Zealand (42): RAR-NAN: 10/2007
5.52: Aerolineas (86): USH-AEP: 10/2009
5.46: TAP Air Portugal (23): OSL-LIS: 05/2007
5.19: Air Europa (70): LPA-MAD: 02/2009
5.16: Iberia (71): MAD-BOS: 02/2009
5.11: Air China (82): FRA-PEK: 08/2009

ECONOMY: Short
8.56: Paramount Airways (38): BLR-MAA: 09/2007
8.56: Kingfisher (64): HYD-CCU: 12/2008
8.24: Kingfisher (14): IXA-GAU: 10/2006
7.87: Indian (34): BOM-MAA: 09/2007
7.72: Alliance Air (13): CCU-IXA: 10/2006
7.57: Indian Airlines (10): DEL-CCU: 09/2006
7.23: West Jet (03): YYC-YVR: 09/2006
7.15: JetLite (37): BOM-GOI: 09/2007
6.98: Air Koryo (100): PEK-FNJ: 04/2010
6.70: Spice Jet (09): CCU-DEL: 09/2006
6.63: Air Fiji (44): NAN-SUV: 10/2007
6.63: Jazeera (67): DAM-KWI: 01/2009
6.58: Air Tran (02): EWR-MDW: 08/2006
6.48: Air India Express (63): CMB-MAA: 12/2008
6.44: CO Micronesia (39): ROR-YAP: 10/2007
6.41: Pacific Sun (43): NAN-SUV: 10/2007
6.37: Skybus (47): SWF-CMH: 02/2008
6.33: Kenya Airways (29): NBO-BJM: 08/2007
6.33: Sky Europe (56): LTN-BTS: 10/2008
6.31: Indigo (15): GAU-CCU: 10/2006
6.31: easyJet (57): BUD-LTN: 11/2008
6.22: Air Link Swazi (28): MTS-JNB: 08/2007
6.22: Air India (36): HYD-BOM: 09/2007
6.13: Adam Air (07): SIN-CGK: 09/2006
6.13: Air Rarotonga (41): RAR-AIT: 10/2007
6.04: Suriname Airways (118): PBM-POS: 01/2011
6.00: Transairways (27): INH-MPM: 08/2007
5.95: Air Canada (05): ALB-YYZ: 09/2006
5.85: SAS Norge (22): OSL-AES: 05/2007
5.81: LAM Mozambique (26): JNB-MPM: 08/2007
5.69: Air Deccan (12): IXZ-CCU: 10/2006
5.67: Rwanda Air Exp (30): KGL-NBO: 08/2007
5.52: Sevenair (114): TOE-TUN: 11/2010
5.37: Felix Airways (92): SCT-SAH: 12/2009
5.11: Aero Republica (76): BOG-CCS: 04/2009
5.07: Go Air (35): MAA-HYD: 09/2007
5.04: BIMAN (121): 01/2011
5.00: Sky Airline (51): IQQ-SCL: 06/2008
4.96: Valuair (08): CGK-SIN: 09/2006
4.78: Air Comet Chile (50): SCL-IQQ: 06/2008
4.74: Fly 540 (31): MYD-LAU: 08/2007
4.33: Viva Aerobus (20): ELP-MTY: 02/2007
4.11: Air Sahara (11): CCU-BOM: 09/2006

(Note on Codes: Y – Economy, J – Business, F – First :: I/D – International/Domestic :: SR/MR/LR – Short/Medium/Long Haul)
(Note on Date: Dates are modified to be +/- 3 days from actual flight date to not reveal actual flight pattern)

VII> Other Pictures:

(Pictures taken at DAC)
(8U Bird - wonder what it was doing here - this is after DAC was stopped - and I flew this very aircraft on CAI-TIP - life is strange indeed)

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(An odd bird)

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(What's this? PlaneHunter?)

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(Goodbye Dhaka!: Aami aabar firbo ...)


[Edited 2011-11-19 17:24:32]


Live, and let live.
51 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4175 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 15867 times:

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
I am an outsider, but got a sense of a tragedy that the British had to divide these people. So completely unnecessary.

Hmmmm... I guess we are in good company......  
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Well, the good news is that Biman has a website. At http://biman-airlines.com/*, you can take a trip down memory lane and witness how airline websites used to be.

I just clicked on the new website. Check out the inflight services section - it's a riot!

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
and all I needed was Biman to be on time

Famous last words.....  
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Biman still has the very colorful 1970's inside that reminds me of the U.S. airline from that era (can anyone remember who it was?)

I'm gonna guess Branniff?  

Great report again, a pleasure to read. I look forward to your next!



Flown EI,FR,RE,EIR,VE,SI,TLA,BA,BE,BD,VX,MON,AF,YS,WX,KL,SK,LH,OK,OS,LX,IB,LTU,HLX,4U,SU,CO,DL,UA,AC,PR,MH,SQ,QF, EY, EK
User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6568 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 15793 times:

Hi Alex!

Thanks for another very interesting and great trip report! Nice that you were able to get on a DC-10 again and the seats looks so very 1970s! TG had some very old seats on their A300s as well; flew on HS-TAB a few years ago and it was very colorful as well.

I agree with you on the livery; very nice and great logo.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
(Seat controls: love these old dials



They are basically the same as on AA's 763 that I flew in July 2010 DFW-SCL. No, I'm not kidding........

Thanks also for the insight to DAC which looks vary basic. I plan to fly BG's 77W sometime in 2012 so we'll see how that turns out.......

Thanks again and looking forward to your next report!

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlineaflyingkiwi From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 15781 times:

Hi Abrelosojos,

Great report, I always enjoy the reports featuring retro airliners like the DC-10. Shame that BG's product wasn't to your liking..

Thanks,
aflyingkiwi


User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5090 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 15744 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 1):
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
I am an outsider, but got a sense of a tragedy that the British had to divide these people. So completely unnecessary.

Hmmmm... I guess we are in good company......  

= Haha (sadly). I have feeling many people around the world would sadly agree with the sentiment.

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 1):
I just clicked on the new website. Check out the inflight services section - it's a riot!

= I don't get it. I am just seeing an in-flight menu?

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 1):
Famous last words.....  

= I was tempted to continue all the way to AUH as the flight ran relatively on time.

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 1):
I'm gonna guess Branniff?  

Great report again, a pleasure to read. I look forward to your next!

= Thanks for the kind words. Was it really Braniff? I think it was someone else - Hawaiian? Eastern or Continental D10's?

Quoting The777Man (Reply 2):

Thanks for another very interesting and great trip report! Nice that you were able to get on a DC-10 again and the seats looks so very 1970s! TG had some very old seats on their A300s as well; flew on HS-TAB a few years ago and it was very colorful as well.

= Funny. I did it too! BKK-DAC interestingly enough.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 2):
They are basically the same as on AA's 763 that I flew in July 2010 DFW-SCL. No, I'm not kidding........

= Seriously?

Quoting The777Man (Reply 2):

Thanks also for the insight to DAC which looks vary basic. I plan to fly BG's 77W sometime in 2012 so we'll see how that turns out.......

= What's the plan for the BG flight? I might join! BTW, did my friend at WS ever get back to you? I have been very busy and I know he has too. Let me know.

Quoting aflyingkiwi (Reply 3):
Hi Abrelosojos,

Great report, I always enjoy the reports featuring retro airliners like the DC-10. Shame that BG's product wasn't to your liking..

Thanks,
aflyingkiwi

= Perhaps a longer flight would enable me to sample the in-flight product better?

Thanks a lot for stopping by.

Saludos,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6568 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 15651 times:

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 4):
= Seriously?



Seriously.

N392AN DFW-SCL last year in July. I never knew the 763s had those kind of dials; I thought that was only on DC-10s and L-1011s.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 4):
= What's the plan for the BG flight? I might join! BTW, did my friend at WS ever get back to you? I have been very busy and I know he has too. Let me know.



I'm in the early planning stages right now but it looks like they fly KUL-DAC, DAC-FCO and DAC-LHR with some flights continue to MXP and MAN. I guess I'm really looking at either FCO, LHR or KUL. Perhaps in May or later ?

I haven't heard anything from your friend yet.

I had my kidney transplant almost six weeks ago but doing great. Still get tired a bit easily but looking forward to make many more trips soon.

Let me know if May sounds okay or perhaps later in the year ?

Take Care

THe777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4175 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 15449 times:

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 4):
= I don't get it. I am just seeing an in-flight menu?

Sorry, I should have explained better. They rave about their high standards in the intro, and then tell us desert is canned peaches...  
Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 4):
Was it really Braniff? I think it was someone else - Hawaiian? Eastern or Continental D10's?

Ah, so you meant DC-10 operators in particular? I'd guess it would have to be Hawaiian in that case!  



Flown EI,FR,RE,EIR,VE,SI,TLA,BA,BE,BD,VX,MON,AF,YS,WX,KL,SK,LH,OK,OS,LX,IB,LTU,HLX,4U,SU,CO,DL,UA,AC,PR,MH,SQ,QF, EY, EK
User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6430 posts, RR: 38
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 15164 times:

Hi A.,

Nice report of a not very well covered airline. I'd love to jump on a DC 10 but it seems like getting one would take quite some effort, as you have explained; but also the safety of the aircraft somewhat discourages me!

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
As a service provider, Biman leaves much to be desired. It is decades behind its peers in anything remotely interesting - no IFE, no magazines, no F&B service (this I can overlook)

I suppose I lay a challenge for you to test out their 77W for us!


Cheers,
Nicholas



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6807 posts, RR: 77
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 15137 times:

Hi A.,

great report about Biman's DC-10! I really like the seat design, hopefully we will see something similar on the 77Ws!

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
The other interesting thing was that the fake JCL cabin where I was seated had 2-4-2 layout, while the rest of the plane had a 2-5-2 layout.

Nice!

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
(The gorgeous DC-10 still looks splendid, and I am a fan of BG's old logo - classy

It seems Biman decided to switch back to the old colors - or at least to a very similar scheme:


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Photo © Gianluca Mantellini




However, I also like the modern scheme on the 738s and an A310:


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Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
JL? What is it doing in DAC?

Must be a charter flight.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
What's this? PlaneHunter?

The white DC-10 could be a derelict Biman frame (S2-ACS).

As for the L-1011 - it looks like a former Sky Capital Airlines L-1011-200, once registered S2-AKB. Allegedly, it was transferred to a private user in Guinea as 3X-GFP in July 2011. Here's a picture from 2005 after it had been transferred from Aerolift (9Q-CVN) to Almiron Aviation (5X-AAL):


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PH



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User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5090 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 15083 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 5):
Seriously.

N392AN DFW-SCL last year in July. I never knew the 763s had those kind of dials; I thought that was only on DC-10s and L-1011s.

= Wow. I had no idea they would send that old of a bird to SCL. Also, I have seen those dials in the A300/310 variety.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 5):

I'm in the early planning stages right now but it looks like they fly KUL-DAC, DAC-FCO and DAC-LHR with some flights continue to MXP and MAN. I guess I'm really looking at either FCO, LHR or KUL. Perhaps in May or later ?

= Sounds tempting. I might be able to join. I have plans to be in BEY for a long weekend, but May looks good in general. Does UA have a staff agreement with BG?

Quoting The777Man (Reply 5):
I haven't heard anything from your friend yet.

= I will pester him again. I know he has been busy with seasonal planning. He will go places in aviation.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 5):
I had my kidney transplant almost six weeks ago but doing great. Still get tired a bit easily but looking forward to make many more trips soon.

= You are so brave! Congratulations once again.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 5):
Let me know if May sounds okay or perhaps later in the year ?

= Will get back to you by end of the year. Hope that works.

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 6):
Sorry, I should have explained better. They rave about their high standards in the intro, and then tell us desert is canned peaches...  

= Oh yes. Haha. Also, did you notice that the section only had a menu?

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 6):
Ah, so you meant DC-10 operators in particular? I'd guess it would have to be Hawaiian in that case!  

= Or maybe, CO flight to HNL?

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 7):

Nice report of a not very well covered airline. I'd love to jump on a DC 10 but it seems like getting one would take quite some effort, as you have explained; but also the safety of the aircraft somewhat discourages me!

= Oh come on Nicholas, you'll be fine.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 7):

I suppose I lay a challenge for you to test out their 77W for us!

= Haha. That is The777Man's to do  . BTW, I get to travel your beloved NZ soon ... am on LAX-AKL-RAR-AKL flights in 3 weeks.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
great report about Biman's DC-10! I really like the seat design, hopefully we will see something similar on the 77Ws!

= I hope so too.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):

It seems Biman decided to switch back to the old colors - or at least to a very similar scheme:

= See, I like the new new ones. The green was too much for me.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
As for the L-1011 - it looks like a former Sky Capital Airlines L-1011-200, once registered S2-AKB. Allegedly, it was transferred to a private user in Guinea as 3X-GFP in July 2011. Here's a picture from 2005 after it had been transferred from Aerolift (9Q-CVN) to Almiron Aviation (5X-AAL):

= I knew I could count on you for this!

Thanks all for the comments.

Saludos,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 42
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 14967 times:

Great stuff a. !

I recall seeing better J seats on my friend Sam Chui's report (N178UA). He went all the way to FCO though, some ridiculously cheap fare BKK-DAC-DXB-FCO. That ticket he showed me a while ago reminds me of the 70s without seeing the actual D10!

I just flew PK A310 HKG-BKK, too bad no hospitality aspect with BG, the PIA crew and all pax were just great, felt very welcome indeed although I think I was the only non-Pakistani onboard. They may have housed Osama in that country and PIA 747s banned by the EU, but I'd fly PIA in a heartbeat again.

I think HS-TAA, the antique of the antique of TG'sA300 fleet has been chopped up. Flew her DMK-KKC, DMK-UTH and HKT-DMK. It was one of the few A300s based at DMK during their stint of dual ops BKK/DMK back then. Yellow/red seats, pink toilets, flowers on the wall panels, you name it. More retro than this PK A310.

Regards,

Lari



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6430 posts, RR: 38
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 14862 times:

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 9):
Oh come on Nicholas, you'll be fine.

Haha. I don't quite have the time (or budget) to fit that in.. Who knows if I'll be able to within the next year; or before they retire them.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 9):
BTW, I get to travel your beloved NZ soon ... am on LAX-AKL-RAR-AKL flights in 3 weeks.

Hope you enjoy it/hope they don't let you down! And please write something about the flights!



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineMSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2474 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14642 times:

Hi A.

Nice trip report, enjoyed reading it. Didn't BG used to have a real J-class?
Besides that, I'm glad to see that BG kept the original design, looks so nostalgic

Greetings
Marc



Next trip report: Well worn A330s and Hassle free MUC transfer
User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6568 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 14125 times:

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 9):
Does UA have a staff agreement with BG?



No. I have to buy a ticket.....I live very close to Little Bangladesh in Los Angeles (yes, there is such a thing, only about 5 blcoks) so hopefully I can find a cheap ticket.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 9):
= You are so brave! Congratulations once again.



Thanks ! I'm very happy and it has worked out great!

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 9):
= Will get back to you by end of the year. Hope that works.



Yes, no problem. No hurry.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 9):
= Haha. That is The777Man's to do



For sure, I will fly Biman's 77W next year.  

The777Man



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User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5090 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 14021 times:

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 10):
I just flew PK A310 HKG-BKK, too bad no hospitality aspect with BG, the PIA crew and all pax were just great, felt very welcome indeed although I think I was the only non-Pakistani onboard. They may have housed Osama in that country and PIA 747s banned by the EU, but I'd fly PIA in a heartbeat again.

= Lari, I absolutely agree. Were you able to read my ORD-BCN report on PK? I also mentioned how hospitable the PK crew were. I was actually surprised about how poor BG crew were ... but then again, perhaps it was due to the nature of the flight.

BTW, do you live in Philippines?

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 10):
I think HS-TAA, the antique of the antique of TG'sA300 fleet has been chopped up. Flew her DMK-KKC, DMK-UTH and HKT-DMK. It was one of the few A300s based at DMK during their stint of dual ops BKK/DMK back then. Yellow/red seats, pink toilets, flowers on the wall panels, you name it. More retro than this PK A310.

= Do you have any pictures?

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 11):
Hope you enjoy it/hope they don't let you down! And please write something about the flights!

= N, sadly, these are for work ... and you know that I don't write reports from those flights.

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 12):
Hi A.

Nice trip report, enjoyed reading it. Didn't BG used to have a real J-class?
Besides that, I'm glad to see that BG kept the original design, looks so nostalgic

Greetings
Marc

= Marc, that's what I thought. Any idea when they moved this all to Y?

Saludos,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineN178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1680 posts, RR: 65
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 13962 times:
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Nice ones A.

I knew at least 3 spotters just purchased ticket on BG28/27 AUH-CGP-DAC-CGP-AUH flying in 3 weeks time  

You've given a score of 9/10 on ontime performance so I take it was on-time ?

Afriqiyah used to fly Tripoli to Dhaka , a distance of 4639 miles twice a week. Lot of Bengalis working in Libya.....

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 10):
I recall seeing better J seats on my friend Sam Chui's report (N178UA). He went all the way to FCO though, some ridiculously cheap fare BKK-DAC-DXB-FCO. That ticket he showed me a while ago reminds me of the 70s without seeing the actual D10!


A shameless plug to my report   seen her still carry Maslin Executive Class. It was via JED (not DXB)

Biman Bangladesh BKK-DAC-JED-FCO A310/DC10 (by N178UA Jan 6 2007 in Trip Reports)

Cheers
Sam


User currently offlineYirina77 From Czech Republic, joined Aug 2006, 632 posts, RR: 32
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 13886 times:

Quoting N178UA (Reply 15):
I knew at least 3 spotters just purchased ticket on BG28/27 AUH-CGP-DAC-CGP-AUH flying in 3 weeks time

Haha, I´m one of the three spotters mentioned above and I´m looking forward this trip so much!
Thank you for nice report. I can´t wait to be onboard of this beauty!

Yirina



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User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5090 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 13813 times:

Quoting N178UA (Reply 15):

I knew at least 3 spotters just purchased ticket on BG28/27 AUH-CGP-DAC-CGP-AUH flying in 3 weeks time  

= Awesome! I am looking forward to reading more about it!

Quoting N178UA (Reply 15):

You've given a score of 9/10 on ontime performance so I take it was on-time ?

= Haha. Yes. All the anticipation and drama turned out to be moot as he flight was on time, and I barely made it  .

Quoting N178UA (Reply 15):
Afriqiyah used to fly Tripoli to Dhaka , a distance of 4639 miles twice a week. Lot of Bengalis working in Libya.....

= I know ... I tried to get a ticket, but could not swing a Libyan visa at that time. What was strange is that picture was taken after 8U cancelled their DAC ops.

Quoting N178UA (Reply 15):
A shameless plug to my report   seen her still carry Maslin Executive Class. It was via JED (not DXB)

Biman Bangladesh BKK-DAC-JED-FCO A310/DC10 (by N178UA Jan 6 2007 in Trip Reports)

Cheers
Sam

= Sam, what a great report. I had not read it prior.

Quoting Yirina77 (Reply 16):
Haha, I´m one of the three spotters mentioned above and I´m looking forward this trip so much!
Thank you for nice report. I can´t wait to be onboard of this beauty!

Yirina

= Yirina! Looking forward to your report. Always interesting to read reports from crew members. BTW, I have been invited to a big EK-crew party for Carnival in Brasil in 2012. You should come!!!

Saludos,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlinemxp From Italy, joined Aug 2003, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 13804 times:

Hi A.
i had the oppurtunity to fly BG last mai ended up doing DXB-DAC-KUL with 15 hours transit in DAC airport that ended to be 18 because the 738 was delayed for technical reason.
This was my first DC-10 run and i remember the seat were very cramped and fortunately the flight was half full.
Did u had problems taking shots? I did same with carefull and also in the airport i spotted very carefully

" and throughout the terminal I kept on getting these "what is the white man doing here" looks"

With me it begins in DXB when they looed at me and continues until KUL. What was my surprise in the transit hall in DAC all the kindness and genuity of this people, im used to the bangladeshi we have in Italy so it was a real good thing. And they offer me also a voucher for a lunch, even if was the spicy lunch of my life

Regards
Alberto


User currently offlineYirina77 From Czech Republic, joined Aug 2006, 632 posts, RR: 32
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 13713 times:

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 17):
= Yirina! Looking forward to your report. Always interesting to read reports from crew members. BTW, I have been invited to a big EK-crew party for Carnival in Brasil in 2012. You should come!!!

Hi Alex,
I´m airline staff, but not the crew. I work at the outstation in PRG. In the time of Carnival in Rio I´ll be on Easter Island, hopefully  
I´ll make trip report from DAC for sure!



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User currently offlineardian From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 544 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 13443 times:

Great report as usual   Thank you. I absolutely love the cabin: very retro and such a stark contrast to the cabins we see nowadays. It's too bad that carriers don't use this kind of design in the cabin anymore, e.g. nicely decorated walls/panels, bright colorful seat fabrics (MH's m&m's seats are a different story though).

User currently offlineN178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1680 posts, RR: 65
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13173 times:
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A

Did you happen to get the REGO of the BG DC-10 you flew with? Did you also fly their Fk28?


User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 42
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13155 times:

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 14):
= Lari, I absolutely agree. Were you able to read my ORD-BCN report on PK? I also mentioned how hospitable the PK crew were. I was actually surprised about how poor BG crew were ... but then again, perhaps it was due to the nature of the flight.

i recall reading that but my apologies, I'm pretty poor at commenting sometimes...

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 14):
BTW, do you live in Philippines?

I don't know where I live to tell you the truth... and I only have 1 passport unlike you.  TK66 IST-SIN-CGK/TK71 HKG-IST is as close as you get to my address. Mixed with Finland and Philippines.

I did CRK-HKG-BKK-IST-HEL-IST-SIN-CGK in one go and let me tell you that kills even the most seasoned traveller in Y. But I loved the HEL security staring at my IST-issued TK boarding pass at security!

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 14):
= Do you have any pictures?

I do but all in my external hard disk back home in Finland since the laptop gave up...

Quoting N178UA (Reply 15):
It was via JED (not DXB)

Even better Sam! I forgot that stop, but staring at your 1975 Biman ticket when eating at that Marriott buffet counts as legendary!

Regards,

Lari



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6430 posts, RR: 38
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13115 times:

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 14):
sadly, these are for work ... and you know that I don't write reports from those flights.

What a shame.. Hopefully you'll soon be able to rectify that 5.79 rating from 2007..  



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2428 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12981 times:

OUTSTANDING TR...

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
I would then fly the "other" United back.

Looking fwd to this TR soon!

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
The other interesting thing was that the fake JCL cabin where I was seated had 2-4-2 layout, while the rest of the plane had a 2-5-2 layout.

Strange indeed- doesn't BG offer a "true" C-cabin on longer flights?!


25 ba319-131 : Great read Alex and a worthy reason, as if any is needed, to take another flight. It's a shame time is running out on these birds, it's almost a must
26 Post contains images N178UA : It's about time to join you somewhere in Asia to have a SPG Platinum or Marriott treat in the Club Lounge Actually you made a reply in my TR you have
27 globalflyer : Hi Alex...another fantastic TR. WOW that D10 looked ancient inside and really did take me back to the 1970s! Thanks for sharing!
28 TCASAlert : Wonderful trip report, thank you for sharing your ride on this rare bird. I would love to secure a DC10 flight, albeit maybe not with BG. The interior
29 Post contains images reifel : Hi Alex, lucky you, this thing is a time machine Must have been so much fun!
30 Post contains images flightsimboy : Another great installment from you!! I guess this flight not having a J class, you were made to fly with the rest of the cattle, though you were put i
31 Post contains images abrelosojos : = Wow. When was this? = I had no problems taking photos, and was not discreet about it. Did you have problems? = Alberto, I completely agree. The Ban
32 Post contains images sultanils : Hi Alex, What a nice story on the (in)famous Biman DC-10. I remember these old ladies lively! Some years ago while spotting at BRU – yes back in the
33 Post contains links and images ardian : The colorful chocolate candies. I believe others on this board call the MH seats 'Skittles' or 'Smarties' -like
34 flightsimboy : I stand corrected, it was East Pakistan! Pakistan itself is to the West of it!! Yes that too, and you probably heard the term "Gora" a lot in Pakista
35 Post contains images stipica : Hi Alex ! ... are you wearing hawaiian shirt to match with interior ... this is more than exotic " white man " ... thanks from "Walking Johnny"
36 mxp : Hi Alex i took the flight last 15 May during my 2 weeks holidays and knowing BG can change the aircraft i was worried a lot they put an A310 or others
37 Post contains images abrelosojos : = Sultanils, those were the DAC-DEL-BRU-JFK routings right? = AAH ... yes. = Given I lived in Pakistan, I have definitely heard of it . = Can you see
38 Post contains images ba319-131 : Hi Alex, - Yep, NW DC-10-40, UA & AA DC-10-10's, CO & BA DC-30-30's. - Not for me, but Lars is bound to be on one in the near future Cheers Ma
39 christao17 : What a fantastic trip in a time machine! Can't believe they are still flying this classic planes. Thanks for sharing the experience with us.
40 mxp : Hi Alex i paid around 300 euros if i remember correctly one way Was ana adventure booking, because i did Biman with Alternative Airlines than one day
41 akhmad : Hi Alex, I was wondering why you with your adventurous spirit never flew BG’s D10 and Bingo! There you were. What a sexy interior and what a masses
42 Post contains images sultanils : Indeed, but I'm not sure about the stop at DEL... Sultanils
43 rajrs : Excellent as usual. I always enjoy your reports. I am not a frequent flyer but your reports gives me actual experience of flying. Always waiting for y
44 Post contains images PlaneHunter : Pink toilet? I'd like to see a picture! You should really resume writing reports! Two of them should be still active - but you never know. PH
45 signol : Hello there, great to read of another classis still flying (just!) Albeit on a very short route. Excellent report, thanks! signol
46 Viper911 : Great trip report abrelosojos, nice to see such a good and meticulous report of not a common carrier and airplane. I got only 1 remark, i must say tha
47 MHTripple7 : Really enjoyed this trip report, Alex! A special flight for sure, and I'm surprised to see that it operated on-time. However unlike most a.netters, I
48 kiramakora : Alex, As usual. Wonderful trip report. I go to Bangladesh pretty often and am also always impressed by the hospitality of the people. Post your United
49 777way : East Pakistan you meant, as for independance maybe they did not need to break off from India but West Pakistan most cetainly did, and it was even goo
50 Post contains images flightsimboy : I already corrected the statement earlier. There are lots of incidents such as these, and not just restricted to PIA. Other reputable carriers have t
51 717Flyer : Hi Alex, The Biman DC-10 is almost a flying legend, so I'm really looking forward to this story. I can't see any pictures though - I just get the "ban
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