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SA2011 Take 1: Norwich-Durban With Toddler And Inf  
User currently offlinesignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 2985 posts, RR: 8
Posted (2 years 5 months 9 hours ago) and read 7359 times:

SA2011 take 1: Norwich-Durban with toddler and infant

Background.

Rewind to January 2011, it was time to start planning our annual trip to visit the in-laws in South Africa. This year we would be there for Christmas, but to make things interesting, my wife's brother had just proposed to his girlfriend, and set a date for the wedding at the beginning of November. What should we do? Go to the wedding and forego Christmas? Or leave the wedding and head for Christmas as planned? None of this was made any easier by the fact that my wife was at this point pregnant, due to give birth in September, 6 weeks before the wedding. In the end, the plan was decided: we would fly out on the 2nd November in time for the wedding on the 5th. We would stay in SA until after Christmas, my wife being on maternity leave the whole time. Then, I would purchase for myself a ticket back from SA to the UK to return to work, before heading back south just before Christmas. We would be apart for a month, but at least my wife would have her parents on the spot to help her look after a toddler of 2 1/2 and a small baby.

Baby Amy was born on the 12th September, as planned by C-section, and after some drama relating to anti-DVT medicine and flowing blood failing to heal the wound, my wife came home with Amy. This was the start of the marathon, as her birth needed to be registered, passport photos taken, countersigned, and the passport application sent off and received within the remaining 5 weeks before departure. In the end, all was well and Amy had her little red book permitting international travel in plenty of time.

Eventually, the day came to depart. We booked a taxi to take us the 10 minutes from home to the airport, arriving before the checkin desks even opened. Soon, a queue formed behind us, and the staff came to man the desks.


Our large pile of luggage, wife, baby in Baby Bjorn covered in blanket, and toddler sitting in pushchair.

We soon had our boarding passes, though to Johannesburg, bought our "Airport Development Fee" tickets (£5, doubling in January to £10) and proceeded to security. We were among the first to get here, and we've flown several times before with Matthew so we had our proceedure prepared. Tam went through first carrying Amy and holding Matthew's hand, whilst I folded the pushchair to go through the x-ray, put our other hand luggage on the belt (including the rucksack with 2 laptops in it) and prepared the bag with the baby food and drink to taste. Unfortunately by this time Matthew had wiggled his hand out of Tam's and ran back through the metal detector to me. This was enough to trigger proceedures making him the subject of extra search, but getting him to stand still without crying was hard, especially for Tam holding Amy as the Baby Bjorn carrier also had to go through the x-ray. In the confusion I forgot to take my phone out of my pocket, so I had to be patted down and waved with the wand as well. Through to testing the food and drink, Matt's kiddie juice bottles had to be thrown out, but we were allowed to keep the juice itself if I tasted it and we decanted it into a baby bottle! Eventually we were through, but then we were told we could have been moved to a private room for screening - this would have been fine, and not held up the people behind us so much.

Through into the departure lounge, we tried to give Matt his breakfast of cereal and powdered formula milk, but he was still unhappy - he ended up eating 2 yoghurts instead. It was almost time to board, and when boarding was called we joined the massive queue. People requiring extra assistance were called forward first, but by the time we had gathered our things, general boarding was well underway. We left the pushchair folded at the foot of the steps and climbed up into the "big blue plane" (a Fokker F70!)

02/11/2011
NWI-AMS
KL1502
PH-KZL


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We had seats ACD near the back, the 2 on the left of the aisle and one accross the aisle which I had. We had hoped to be able to move to seats on the 2 side behind each other, but the flight was close to full so there were no seats. Normally this is a very short flight (I've done it in 25 mins before) so as soon as we took off, the crew sprang into action distributing cups of orange juice and a biscuit each. Matthew was accross the aisle from me so I opened his juice for him, he's never had this type of cup before with the foil lid, but managed to drink it all without spilling it! By this time we were over the Dutch coast covered in cloud, and we were put into a holding pattern. A few circles later and we came in to land on the Polderbaan, followed by a 15 minute drive to the CityHopper apron. The steps were brought in, the passengers descended into busses - our pushchair was waiting for us, so I picked it up and carried it to the 2nd bus. Tam and Amy got one of the few seats, and we moved to the main terminal.

02/11/2011
AMS-JNB
KL591
PH-BQA


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In previous years, on arrival at AMS we've had an hour or two to visit the baby room, feed children and let them have a sleep before heading to the JNB gate, however this time we needed to go straight there, despite the inbound being only about 15 mins late. Bizarre, perhaps the JNB flight time was brought forward this year. Anyway, we headed to the gate, this time at a G gate instead of the usual F pier. People were already heading through security into the holding room. This time, though, security was a breeze (despite having to throw away the bottles of water we'd bought in Norwich - d'oh, should have drunk them!) and we were soon waiting to board. After a few minutes of looking out of the window at the plane, families were called to board, of which there were a few. Looking at our seats, we were allocated 36ABC, standard seats by a window, despite me emailing a few weeks before to request the baby bassinet location, and that email being confirmed by reply. Still, we sat down and arranged our things. A stewardess saw us, and said that she would see if we could move to the bulkhead seat, so Amy could use the bassinet - we were very thankful at this, and a few minutes later she beckoned us forward.

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Matty studying the safety card.

We moved, and brought all our bags to the locker over the centre seats (one side was taken by the demo lifejacket and a stack of blankets). Total load was probably around 65%.


The obligatory legroom shot.

Takeoff was on one of the nearer runways, and was surprisingly gentle. Once the seatbelt signs had been switched off, we got Matthew the first of his toy bags. We had arranged about 10 small cloth bags, each with a few small toys or activities in, so that periodically we could get one out and entertain him for a while. I forget the order, but some contained small jigsaw puzzles, others finger puppets, some pipe cleaners, Bob the Builder character toys (his current favourite) and some wind-up jumping toys, and books. By this time the crew started distributing the special meals, of which Tam and Matthew both had gluten free meals. Tam took hers and ate (by now Amy was fast asleep in the bassinet) whilst I fed Matthew. The main meal consisted of chicken pieces in mushy peas, with mashed potato, with a salad and fruit salad, and some GF bread. Being the carnivore he is, Matt ate all his chicken, and nothing else. Not even would he eat the fruit salad, even though he normally likes fruit, so I gave him some rice cakes and raisins. Soon enough, my own meal arrived, which was almost identical but the chicken was in a curry sauce with rice. Very impressive, despite its small size.

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Amy sleeping soundly in the bassinet

The crew came round and took the rubbish away, by which time it was Matt's normal afternoon sleep time. At home, he would sleep from anything between 20 mins to 3 hours after lunch, so we were hoping for a long one   We got his sleeping bag and put him in it, gave him his dummy and bear (he only has these for sleeping now) and thought how to arrange him... By which time he had put his head on the seat and fallen asleep!


Matt's unusual sleeping position

He stayed there for about 1/2 an hour, before stirring, so I was worried that was all the sleep he would have, but he seemed still drowsy so we laid him on the seat curled up, the seatbelt around his bottom to stop him falling to the floor, and he slept for another 2 hours. Result   During this time Tam watched a film on the IFE and I took a walk around.


View of the rear cabin on the 772.


Wing view, over the Sahara somewhere.

There was a small tray set up near the rear galley with some drinks and snacks for people to take if they liked, mini Mars bars, sweets, ice creams, juices, fizzy drinks and water.
Matt then woke and had some of these sweets, and watched some of the children's programmes on the IFE, interestingly he was quite happy with the headset, unlike last year when he refused to use it and watched in silence. This time he had leaned to put up with the minor discomfort to have the benefit of the music and talking! Also around this time a snack was handed out, bread with jam for the GF meal, and a cheese sandwich for normal meal, along with ice cream. The icecream was coffee flavoured, which I hate, and also had biscuit pieces in, so none of us could have it. I was somewhat disappointed in the sandwich, it was nice enough but what a reduction in service from 12 months before when the 2nd meal was an actual meal.

Another few hours later, and another service began. This time it was another full meal (my fears over the sandwich evaporated!) Again, the GF meals came first, a vegetable risotto. Tam ate and enjoyed hers, but Matt didn't want any of his at all. Thankfully we'd brought some Marmite crackers for him, he usually has a light meal at tea time of crackers or sandwich, which he ate happily, but still he refused all the other items, including the yoghurt that he normally likes. I ate his risotto, and yes it was very nice! Then my own meal came, a piece of pizza with the same accompanying items. It too was nice, small, but then ok as I'd eaten Matt's.


The 2nd gluten free meal.

By now it was almost time to land. The crew came and picked up the remains of the meals, and everything was stowed. Landing seemed to take an age, but we couldn't see much as the windows were so far away. Tam said to me "how much further?" just as we landed with a bump. Almost no ear popping, but then JNB is at a high altitude. We were amongst the last off, picked up the pushchair in the airbridge, and headed to passport control. Between us we were 2 South African passport holders (Tam and Matt, both dual) and 2 British only (myself and Amy, whose SA citizenship we will sort out on our return) we headed to the SA passport queue, only to be waved to the Crew and Diplomatic queue - probably because of the baby. We were all stamped in in moments, and headed to the baggage reclaim. We had just arrived when our bags started arriving. Good timing! (we had brought a car seat, and were meeting Tam's uncle at the airport with our other car seat, so both children could be strapped in securely. The infant baggage allowance is only 10kg, no extra car seat, so the day before I'd been off to buy a large bag that the car seat would fit in, so we could then pack more clothes etc around it.). We were out into arrivals in no time, and couldn't see Tam's uncle anyway. A quick phone call revealed he was there, we just hadn't seen him, so we easily met up.

When we originally booked the trip, we were going to stay with Tam's brother and family in Centurion, near Pretoria, so the next day's flight I booked from Lanseria, Johannesburg's 2nd airport, on the other side of the city but equidistant from my brother-in-law's house. However, he and family had gone down to Durban a few days previously. They had still offered their house, but it would involve picking up keys from his wife's parents, and all that that entails with extra house visits, and it was already almost 11pm, very late for Matt. So we arranged to stay with Tam's uncle in Benoni, very near JNB but a lot further from Lanseria. We headed to the rental offices to pick up our car. It was a VW Polo, more Golf sized for UK readers, but was still a push to fit everything in, but we made it - 4 people, 3 large cases, 2 car seats, 4 hand luggage bags and a double pushchair! We headed to Tam's uncle's house, 10 minutes away, and when we got there, put the children to bed and crashed ourselves, especially as he was leaving at 9am (7am UK time! bearing in mind it was now gone midnight) the following morning to go to Durban himself.

We were woken up at our request, showered, got the children up, and packed the car, as Tam's uncle too locked the house and headed back to JNB. We started our jouney to Lanseria, via Sandton City shopping centre for drinks, snacks, and some local Pay-as-you-go SIM cards for our phones, so we could use the cheap calling and mobile internet (and sat-nav) functionality without costing a bomb. The road from Sandton to Lanseria is not exactly a motorway, but it is well signed from the N1 Johannesburg orbital motorway, and I had a mental map anyway, so we we eventually arrived, and left the car. Checkin was a breeze, and Kulula even cable-tied our bags closed, for security.

30/11/2011
HLA-DUR
MN515
ZS-OAP


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We went through security here, easy as Amsterdam (why is it only UK regional airports that are so pedantic?) into the departure lounge with its single gate - our gate was downstairs (or rather, down a very slow, but interior door-less lift). On the apron was a BA liveried ATR, and some biz jets, until we spotted an arrival - the Europcar logojet Kulula has. I'd been on it once before (not surprising as Kulula only have 7 planes), making it only the 2nd aircraft I've been on more than once (since I started noting regs).

ZS-OAP on the apron

There were good views of the apron, only it is a shame the there's not much traffic to watch! We watched the incoming passengers disembark, and soon it was time for us to board. As before, we left the pushchair at the foot of the steps, and boarded by the rear stairs. This flight was quite uneventful, calm. We bought some drinks and biltong from the BOB, with which Matt re-acquainted himself with the dried meat, and also played with some more of the toy-bags - plasticine this time, and a sticker book. Load was probably around 80%, flight was on time, and our bags came off the carousel together at Durban. We headed to the car rental offices here to pick up our car for the weekend, this time something a bit bigger, a Hyandai i35 SUV.

Overall these flights were satisfactory, shame about the pre-booked bassinet not being allocated - for the return I will make sure to phone them, and also check at checkin. Food on board KL was very good, free, but portion size could be improved. Kulula's BOB offerings are ok, despite being branded Woolworths, a department store food hall.

Here are a few pictures from our time in South Africa, before I headed back to th UK alone:
http://signol.blogspot.com/2011/11/sa2011-take-1-in-south-africa.html

Thanks for reading, comments always welcome!

signol

[Edited 2011-11-26 06:45:08]


Flights booked: none :(
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User currently offlineakhmad From Netherlands, joined Sep 2005, 2433 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 8 hours ago) and read 7190 times:

Hi signol,

Have you ever considered to write a travel book? Your report is very informative. If someone would ask me how to prepare himself and his toddler for long-haul flight, I would certainly recommend your report as guidance.  

Visiting families on the other side of the continents is always great. I am glad to know that you, Tam, Matthew and Amy were well taken care of by KL and made it safe and sound in South Africa.

Best wishes,
Suryo



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6658 posts, RR: 78
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 7171 times:

Hi signol,

interesting report about your latest SA trip. Good to hear you were satisfied with KLM. I agree, portions could be bigger. There's such a big difference between KL and AF long-haul meals. Btw - you can be glad that you flew on a 772 (3-3-3 configuation). The 77Ws' (3-4-3) could be called "slave ships" - I felt very cramped on a recent flight. EK and others with 3-4-3 offer plenty of legroom as a kind of compensation, KL doesn't.

Quoting signol (Thread starter):
Baby Amy was born on the 12th September, as planned by C-section, and after some drama relating to anti-DVT medicine and flowing blood failing to heal the wound, my wife came home with Amy. This was the start of the marathon, as her birth needed to be registered, passport photos taken, countersigned, and the passport application sent off and received within the remaining 5 weeks before departure. In the end, all was well and Amy had her little red book permitting international travel in plenty of time.

Good to hear everything was fine in the end.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlinesignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 2985 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 7059 times:

Quoting akhmad (Reply 1):

Hi Suryo,

Thank you for your kind words!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 1):
Have you ever considered to write a travel book?

If I can scrape together enough material from my TR archive, perhaps, but it will need a lot of work, time that I don't really have with the two children! Perhaps once they are older and at school  
Quoting akhmad (Reply 1):
I would certainly recommend your report as guidance

Thank you, though most of the planning and packing was done by my wife - it is a skill she has!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):

Hi Planehunter,

Thank you for your comments as well.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
I agree, portions could be bigger. There's such a big difference between KL and AF long-haul meals

Our return is booked with AF, JNB-CDG-AMS-NWI, so it will be interesting to compare. I did fly AF last year to AUH, but I slept through most of the flight and didn't take many pictures at all!
Autumn Travels Part 2: Abu Dhabi For F1GP (by signol Nov 28 2010 in Trip Reports)

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
772 (3-3-3 configuation)

Good to know, a few years ago we flew on the 747 full pax:
NWI To New DUR Inc KL, KQ, 1T And SA (by signol Oct 30 2010 in Trip Reports)
That too was tight, but at least the plane was wider!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
Good to hear everything was fine in the end.

Thanks, all is ok now. My wife works for the NHS, so is very knowledgable in processes, and apparently NICE (National Institute of Clinical Excellence) are auditing these new drugs - she will be feeding back her thoughts to them.

Thanks again

signol



Flights booked: none :(
User currently offlineZS-SAZ From South Africa, joined Jul 2001, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 7054 times:

Nice report. I seem to remember reading your previous report from last year this time, which I also enjoyed...

Good to have a report out of HLA, as I don't believe there has been one yet - or at least not one that I have seen. It's an interesting airport, not particularly established I suppose in terms of scheduled air traffic, but I have no doubt that it will continue to grow in size. Already it has grown considerably, with Mango and BA starting flights from HLA in the past year.


User currently offlinesignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 2985 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 7002 times:

Quoting ZS-SAZ (Reply 4):

Hi ZS-SAZ,

Quoting ZS-SAZ (Reply 4):
previous report from last year this time

Yes, we head to SA more or less annually  
Quoting ZS-SAZ (Reply 4):
HLA, as I don't believe there has been one yet

I think there's been one before, that I remember reading:
HLA To CPT On Kulula (by Flymad Mar 30 2009 in Trip Reports)

Quoting ZS-SAZ (Reply 4):
HLA

It is a good airport, with plenty of expansion opportunities to expand, however the problem lies with ground transport to Johannesburg... We had to route through Fourways:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=...tx6_Ib34DQ&vpsrc=0&mra=ls&t=m&z=12

Whereas from Pretoria, it is an easy and fast road down the N14.

Thanks

signol



Flights booked: none :(
User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months ago) and read 6529 times:

Hi signol!

Nice report!

Looks like you had a couple of nice flights with KLM.
Your baby looked very comfortable in that bassinet.  
The 772 sure looks great in the KL colors!

Thanks for posting!

Martin


User currently offline9MMRD From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6278 times:

Hello Signol,

Impressive, informative and interesting report!

KLM looks like a decent airline, and I would die to fly them. Too bad no one flies to Perth Airport. The closest I ever have been to flying KLM is on the KLM codeshare with MAS on PER-KUL. :P

Amazing how you guys had three meals, and how attentive the cabin crew were. Too bad the coffee ice-cream wasn't your cup of tea (no pun intended), I would have loved it.

You have adorable kids! Congratulations on having Amy all ready to fly at a young age! Bet Matt and Amy will become cute jetsetter siblings around the world. South Africa looks interesting, remind me to hop on SAA from PER to JNB. :P

9MMRD



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User currently offlinesultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1582 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6092 times:
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Hello signol,

I very much liked this story involving travel with children. It sure is something different from travelling alone. Having a son the same age as yours I recognize quite some things being the same: not wanting to eat, do this , don't do that,... Very amusing but I can imagine it being stressful at times when on an aircraft. Too bad you have no more pics of the Kulula flight but I guess you had other things to keep you busy  

Quoting signol (Thread starter):
Airport Development Fee

They really have fees for everything   

Quoting signol (Thread starter):
Matt's kiddie juice bottles had to be thrown out, but we were allowed to keep the juice itself if I tasted it and we decanted it into a baby bottle

What kind of rule is that? What's the purpose in kepping the contents but throwing the package away?

Quoting signol (Thread starter):
Matty studying the safety card.

You can't start early enough with these important things  

Quoting signol (Thread starter):
Amy sleeping soundly in the bassinet

So that's a bassinet? Never seen that before. Is the baby strapped in then?

Sultanils



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User currently offlineMSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2472 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5870 times:

Hi
Nice trip report, thanks for sharing it with us! Travelling with children is indeed a hassle (been a child myself on an airplane as well...). Glad you made it all nice and well in Durban!

Quoting signol (Thread starter):
02/11/2011
NWI-AMS
KL1502
PH-KZL

Haaah, PH-KZL! I flew it back in 2006 from BRU to AMS!


Greetings
Marc



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User currently offlineJL418 From Italy, joined Jun 2009, 493 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5667 times:

Hi Signol,

Thanks for posting, it was nice to read of your family travelling south! I wished there were more window views pictures but I guess that keeping an eye on two toddlers while doing some photoshooting session would mean to stretch the margin of the envelope a little bit too far.

Quoting signol (Thread starter):
Baby Amy was born on the 12th September, as planned by C-section, and after some drama relating to anti-DVT medicine and flowing blood failing to heal the wound, my wife came home with Amy. This was the start of the marathon, as her birth needed to be registered, passport photos taken, countersigned, and the passport application sent off and received within the remaining 5 weeks before departure. In the end, all was well and Amy had her little red book permitting international travel in plenty of time.

Congratulations! Amy is indeed a great name, all my best for her and for your family. Good to see that she's flying even before being able to crawl, seems that we'll have some new A.net recruits in some years time.

Quoting signol (Thread starter):
Through to testing the food and drink, Matt's kiddie juice bottles had to be thrown out, but we were allowed to keep the juice itself if I tasted it and we decanted it into a baby bottle! Eventually we were through, but then we were told we could have been moved to a private room for screening - this would have been fine, and not held up the people behind us so much

How bad is that? Honestly, 10 years ago we let 19 people boarding despite holding paper cutters and several beeps at metal detector and now even kids and their belongings are treated as possible security threats.

Quoting signol (Thread starter):
Through into the departure lounge, we tried to give Matt his breakfast of cereal and powdered formula milk, but he was still unhappy - he ended up eating 2 yoghurts instead.

Good boy! Two yoghurts a day and fruit as well, that's the way to go!

Quoting signol (Thread starter):
Looking at our seats, we were allocated 36ABC, standard seats by a window, despite me emailing a few weeks before to request the baby bassinet location, and that email being confirmed by reply. Still, we sat down and arranged our things. A stewardess saw us, and said that she would see if we could move to the bulkhead seat, so Amy could use the bassinet - we were very thankful at this, and a few minutes later she beckoned us forward.

Well, there's no service as face-to-face human interaction, kudos to KLM!

Hope to read from you again!

Fabrizio

Quoting signol (Thread starter):
Amy sleeping soundly in the bassinet


User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 5023 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5667 times:

Hi, R.,

what a real good read. Thank you.
Sure not that easy to travel with all that kid´s stuff.
The guys complaining at security should do it by yourself.

Quoting signol (Thread starter):

Baby Amy was born on the 12th September, as planned by C-section, and after some drama relating to anti-DVT medicine and flowing blood failing to heal the wound, my wife came home with Amy. This was the start of the marathon, as her birth needed to be registered, passport photos taken, countersigned, and the passport application sent off and received within the remaining 5 weeks before departure. In the end, all was well and Amy had her little red book permitting international travel in plenty of time.

What a story and congrats that it worlked finally and the family is well in SA.

Quoting signol (Thread starter):
Matty studying the safety card.

What a nice picture.

Looking for more stories soon.

Greetings,
Markus(FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3054 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5595 times:

Nice report! Travelling with kids must be such a challenge, I have no idea how my parents managed with three young kids commuting between the UK and the Far East. Were the KL crews good with the kids?

Quoting signol (Thread starter):
Matt's unusual sleeping position

Ha, looks like an interesting position. Still, if he likes it, don't move him!



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User currently offlinesignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 2985 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5373 times:

Thanks for the further comments!

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 6):
Your baby looked very comfortable in that bassinet.

Indeed, she slept like a baby! Incidently, Amy will sleep through anything, but at the same age Matthew would never sleep - too interested in everything!

Quoting 9MMRD (Reply 7):
had three meals

Indeed, but it was a 12 hour daytime flight!

Quoting 9MMRD (Reply 7):
Bet Matt and Amy will become cute jetsetter siblings around the world

Lol! I've set up a Flightmemory page for Matt - http://my.flightmemory.com/matthewthompson

Quoting sultanils (Reply 8):
Too bad you have no more pics of the Kulula flight but I guess you had other things to keep you busy

Yes, sorry. Lots of child occupation going on there!

Quoting sultanils (Reply 8):
What kind of rule is that? What's the purpose in kepping the contents but throwing the package away?

I know, crazy. Bottles are not allowed through but baby drinks are. We decanted the juice into Tommy Tippee cups with folding spouts, and they were let through.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 8):
So that's a bassinet? Never seen that before. Is the baby strapped in then?

Apparently airlines have different ones. This was a metal frame with canvas, that fixed to the wall. There was a canvas flap that zipped across the top, but in case of turbulance, you have to take the baby out and use the regular additional seat belt.

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 9):
Travelling with children is indeed a hassle

Yes, though with planning it can be made a bit easier for all involved!

Quoting JL418 (Reply 10):
I wished there were more window views pictures

Sorry, but you guessed correctly, and we also had centre seats on the 777.

Quoting JL418 (Reply 10):
Well, there's no service as face-to-face human interaction, kudos to KLM!

Indeed, we've never had bad service from KLM crews.

Quoting JL418 (Reply 10):
Hope to read from you again!

Next leg is in process... No children but more photos  
Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 11):
what a real good read. Thank you.

Thanks Markus,

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 11):
Looking for more stories soon.

As above, next leg will be out soon.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 12):
Were the KL crews good with the kids?

These flights the crew were good, but did nothing special, out of the ordinary, apart from the seating arrangements. A few years ago, the purser was exceptional, she even had some finger puppets herself to "play" with Matt!

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 12):
Ha, looks like an interesting position. Still, if he likes it, don't move him

Exactly! He slept a while, woke, then we re-arranged him and he continued to sleep!

Thanks all for your kind words!

signol



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User currently offlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 1871 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5089 times:

Hi Signol,

Another great trip report and I can only suppose it is because you have returned to the UK by yourself that you had the time to write this one so quickly! Haven't yet even got to take-off on the a.net write up of our big European adventure...

Travelling with two kids doesn't sound like quite so much fun... You forget how much hassle trying to take a baby through security is after a couple of years! The problem with Alex and security gates is that he is so fascinated by x-ray machines that he wants to return for another look.

Cheers,

allrite



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User currently offlinesignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 2985 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4951 times:

Quoting allrite (Reply 14):

Hi Allrite!

Quoting allrite (Reply 14):
Another great trip report and I can only suppose it is because you have returned to the UK by yourself that you had the time to write this one so quickly!

Thanks, and you guess correctly! I usually write them up during my break times at work, so it takes a while to get things complete.

Quoting allrite (Reply 14):
Haven't yet even got to take-off on the a.net write up of our big European adventure...

Lol, though I enjoyed your blog posts about the trip  
Quoting allrite (Reply 14):
The problem with Alex and security gates is that he is so fascinated by x-ray machines that he wants to return for another look.

Matt isn't so fascinated with them, just *everything* is so interesting! Usually we can direct his attention elsewhere by enthusing about something (eg at Lanseria watching the incoming aircraft, also a grasshopper that was just outside the window!)

Thanks again,

signol



Flights booked: none :(
User currently offlinesignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 2985 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4670 times:

My return leg is now online, here:
SA2011 Take 1: Return To UK With BA, ET, BD (by signol Dec 1 2011 in Trip Reports)

signol



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