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MNL-HKG On A Different Airline- PAL  
User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3456 times:

Well, just got back from Hong Kong after an enjoyable weekend. Hope you enjoy the report.  Smile

Flight Number: PR318
Scheduled Push-Back Time: 10:00 AM
Real Push-Back Time: 10:10 AM
Aircraft: Boeing 747-400
Registration: N751PR
Date: May 9, 2002 (Friday)

This is a school trip, so me and my mom hopped into our car and drove to school. We then got onboard the school bus for the trip to Ninoy Aquino Int'l Airport T2.
Arrived at the new terminal at about 7:45 AM. Passed through baggage screening quickly and entered the terminal, although much better than NAIA 1, it was still not up to date with even Taipei Chiang Kai-Shek Int'l Airport T2. Lines were long, but the staff worked quickly and efficiently and got to us. We requested for a Window, but was told none was available. I then asked the seating configuration for this aircraft. The lady answered 3-4-3. Definatly a 744. We got an aisle seat and also the seat next to it.
Paid the annoying airport and departure tax and went thru Immigration. The North Wing of NAIA2 was for International flights, which had about ten gates. Our aircraft, as I guessed a majestic jumbo jet, was parked at Gate N4. I grabbed a Sausage bun and juice and then sat down to watch planes.
Remember, this is NAIA2, so much of what you see is PAL and PAL and PAL and PAL. Beside all the PAL jets, I saw a CI 742F parked on the ramp. Work on the new NAIA3 was progressing on the opposite of NAIA2. In NAIA2, we saw three 744s parked in a row. I then figured out that we were going to take the first one, registered N751PR.
Sat down and opened my book by Lee Kuan Yew, 'From Third World to First'. I managed to catch a NW 744 rotating off the runway on its flight to Japan and a SQ 772 operating SQ71 to SIN departing soon after it.
Saw several small jets depart. But then there was a sudden line for departing planes. The Cebu Pacific 757 in special colors was taxiing, flanked by sistership DC-9s, Air Philippines 732s, and Philippine Airlines 733s.
Boarding started and a loooooong line formed. We finally entered the jumbo and sat down in our seats. I got a seat next to my coaches. My mom traded seats with my friend so that he could seat with me. This flight was about 93% full.
This was my first International flight with PAL. The Crew and pilot welcomed us aboard and told us that this was going to be a 1 hr 35 min flight. I was just expecting to get served Orange Juice and Peanuts, which they served on domestic runs between Manila and Cebu.
We pushed back and soon got on the runway for take off. I just spotted a Saudi 743, a CI 738, and a CI Cargo 747. The pilot put the plane on a steady climb, announcing that we had passed FL220 for FL350. I kept repeating in my mind what he would have said in the ATC, "Manila Tower, Philippine Three-One-Eight is at FL220 for FL350.

I will leave off here because it is already almost 11 PM and there's school tomorrow. Will be continued...

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User currently offlineTrickijedi From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3266 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3292 times:

Sounds like you had an enjoyable flight. The load factors for the MNL-HKG-MNL route are usually full, which is why the Cathay Pacific flights are a good alternative. During my last routing to HKG from MNL (about a month ago), I specifically wanted to fly CX due to the loads being less and I wouldn't have to deal with the crowd, who are mostly Filipino anyway.

But when I go back in November, I will probably take PAL from HKG-MNL just for the hell of it.

What was your seat number? And how was the service?



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User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3295 times:

Thanks. I'll finish the report when I'm back from school.

User currently offlineSQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1792 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3270 times:

Can I suggest that in future, a.net members complete their trip reports before posting? Frankly, it doesn't feel good to be fully engrossed in a trip report only to find it ending abruptly and have no idea when the "sequel" will eventually be posted.


There's always a better way to fly...
User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4749 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

Gladly looking forward to the rest of your report. Please do not keep us hanging like that! Just to correct some specs here...

FL220 - FL350?? You are way out there to be at that height so you would no longer be under the control of a "Tower". Instead, you would DEFINITELY be under radar control.

FYI: 0ft - 12,000ft is denoted using "altitude", hence, it would read A090 (9000ft), or A120 (12,000ft)

Anything from 13,000ft and above is denoted using "Flight Level (FL)". Eg. 13,500ft is FL135...

There, hope you are enlightened.

Cheers
Ryan



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User currently offlineSq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3231 times:

hey...great trip report so far and cant wait to read the rest!...P.S...do you go to school at ISM?


Keep Discovering
User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6207 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3212 times:

Until now you have a good trip report, so I hope you finish it up soon.
Chepos



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User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3175 times:

hey! how did you guess that sq_ek_freak? BTW I'll finish it soon, too busy with homework and flightsim.

User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3180 times:

Okay have some time so,

Forgot to report about seats. The seats were really soft and comfortable, with the BEST back support I've ever experinced, beating SQ, CX, and BR. Legroom was also enough, more than either of those three airlines.
Fell asleep after the pilot made the climbing announcement for thirty minutes.
Awoke and found my breakfast on my tray table, with the F/A serving my friend. I then asked for a cup of coke, which they had none but instead politely offered Pepsi (Why are so many airlines switching to Pepsi?). I accepted the offer and uncovered the hot foil that covered the main dish.
Food turned out to be Chicken, Pork, and rice in hot sauce (not the spicy kind, but the burning kind). The rice and chicken were delicous so I gobbled them up quickly. Big grin I luv eating. The pork was too hard and tasteless. They served the meal with plastic cutery. I took off the lid of the container that held the dessert. Turned out to be Vanila Cream Cake. It was quite yummy and sweet, and I quickly finished it up.
There was only bread and butter left, which I ate. The bread sadly was not good, too hard and dry compared to the bun SQ serves.
The crew pushed the cart again for drinks, which I opted for a 7-Up because I had already gulped down my Pepsi. I then drank it all in a couple sips and opened my book by Lee Kuan Yew once again.
I was surprised when a steward came around offering second serving on main course. First airline to have ever done it!  Smile
I kept reading my book until it was time to descend. Very soon I could see Hong Kong and several of its buildings. Pilot lowered flaps and landing gear that made the plane shudder a bit.
On finals, I spotted the terminal and a HKG hanger. The plane hit the runway HARD! I imagined a huge cloud of dust erupting from the wheels.
We quickly taxiied off the runway and I began my spotting. I saw dozens of Mainland China jets, ranging from China Southern to China Southeast and MD-80s to A320s. Spotted the CO 772 parked along with other Cathay jets on the ramp. Passed a couple Cathay and Dragonair jets, flanked by People's Republic of China planes. Finally found a parking slot and the plane skidded to a halt.
Got off the plane where I saw a KE 744 and a BR 744E taxiing after landing. A China Southern A320 was on finals.
We got to the immigration lines that were LONG! But there were about three lines, with at least six officers serving a line. The officers were no longer young and had glasses as they were in June 2001, but a mixture of old and young, male and female. They worked as fast and efficiently as Changi staff and we passed through quite quickly (Unlike NAIA!).
Grabbed our baggage and hopped on a bus bound for our hotel.

Return trip will be soon, much longer and much more interesting.  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineTrickijedi From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3266 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3151 times:

PAL is a great airline isn't it?  Big thumbs up


Its better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than be in the air wishing you were on the ground. Fly safe!
User currently offlineCaptain.md-11 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3142 times:

Nice report, I get jealous of you guys living in Asia, a flight just over an hour on a 744  Wow! I'd be on a 737 over here!
Certainly in Europe FL start as soon as the transition layer is passed (the level that you transfer to ISA 1013.2mb) In the U.K. it is normally around 3000ft and in America 18,000ft I believe.Anything below this level is reported as an altitude.
Safe flying  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6207 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3126 times:

"Why are so many airlines switching to Pepsi:"- Cause it's much better than COKE. I hope you enjoyed Hong Kong it seems like a wonderful city.
Chepos





Fly the Flag!!!!
User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4749 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3120 times:

MD11...

Looks like ATC practices differ from country to country? Why does the transition altitude differ so?



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User currently offlineCaptain.md-11 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3118 times:

They certainly do, the differences between practices in the U.S.A. and Europe is quite amazing! For example having transition levels roughly 15,000ft apart! I don't really know why this is, I could take a guess however It most likely would be wrong.A question for the tech guys maybe?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


Twins,twins, everywhere.... but where are the three holers?
User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3119 times:

Thanks for the comments!  Smile For your info non-asian guys, the last time I flew on a narrowbody was back in 1998/9!  Big thumbs up I fly widebodies at least four or five times a year.

User currently offlineSq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3112 times:

so you are from ISM!!...I was guessing because I used to go there and I'll be reutrning there for the 2002-2003 school year. What grade are you in!?!


Keep Discovering
User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3101 times:

Don't wanna reveal... Big grin

User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 3070 times:

Im jealous about all your widebody flights 9V-SVE...Ive flown mostly narrowbodies...only 6 widebody flights in my life (2x NZ 744, AN 762, US 330, 762, UA DC-10)...take me into your home.......please?????????  Smile

Greg



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User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3063 times:

Thats one of the best things about Asia!  Big thumbs up

User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4749 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3064 times:

USAF Hummer,

The traffic in Asia is tremendous for a region smaller than US, but so many countries within (SE Asia). Hence, other than the shuttle flights between SIN-KUL (734, 772 and A310), the rest of the short hops to popular destinations like BKK, JKT, HKG, TPE all use equipment from A300s to 744s, depending on the airline. SIN-TPE flight time is almost similar to LAX-JFK.

Because there are only so many flights a day, airlines normally try to squueze as many pax as they can into the aircraft and hence it is not surprising to see several SQ/TG 744s flying between SIN-BKK (2hrs), SQ 744 SIN-HKG (3hrs), SQ/GA 744 SIN-JKT (1.5hrs), SQ 777-200/300 SIN-KUL (45mins), JKT, MNL (3.5hrs), ... etc etc, hence its not the distance but the passenger loads that determine the aircraft used.

Heck, during Chinese New Year, it is not uncommon to see MAS and SQ using their 744s between SIN and KUL.



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User currently offlineTrickijedi From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3266 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3066 times:

USAF Hummer,

In Philippine Airlines' case, there are many cities that PAL flies to within the Philippines that have unusually high passenger and/or loads thus requiring a wide-bodied plane. It's weird because I would have never thought that cities such as Davao or Cebu City would be served by an A330 and the like. And these cities are really not all that popular outside of the Philippines. Flight frequencies have also been increased for these cities. And then of course, widebodies are used for international cities like Hong Kong, Singapore, SF & LA. PAL does use 737's which are also used for the Manila-Cebu route a couple of times a day but those are mainly flown to less popular cities with minimal passenger/cargo loads. But if you fly say the Manila to Cebu route i the future, there is a good chance that you will be on either a 747-400 or an Airbus 330 for the short 55 minute, 349 mile flight. Pretty cool I think.



Its better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than be in the air wishing you were on the ground. Fly safe!
User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3052 times:

I can't believe PAL uses the A330 to Kalibo!

User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4749 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3048 times:

I am really glad that PAL is flying the skies again after the fiasco when the airline shut down. After years of turmoil and corruption, PAL (Plane Always Late) is finally PAL (Philippine Airlines) again. Great strategy to downsize and re-think the company again. As Asia's 1st airline, PAL should rightfully be kept up there flying like it should.

No country should ever be without a national carrier and it is a sad event when one goes bust (Sabena, Swissair, Pan Am, Ansett), especially when that country has only one carrier!

I just received a stack of Mabuhay in-flight mags from a friend who works at Changi Airport. Flipping through the pages, the trendy layout of the mag simply underscrores the vibrant and sunny outlook of this airline, making it truly, Asia's sunniest airline.

Fly on PAL!



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User currently offlineTrickijedi From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3266 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3036 times:

9V-SVE,
Actually PAL doesn't regularly fly the A330 from Manila to Kalibo... they actually use 737's and A320's twice a day, with an additional flight on certain times of the year. Although I'm guessing that they occassionaly swap these aircraft for larger ones due to higher passenger loads... since Kalibo is the biggest airport that's closest to Boracay Island (a very popular beach resort vacation spot). If PAL does in fact substitute its normal fleet, I don't see them doing this very often in the future however due to new alternative ways of getting to Boracay via other smaller regional carriers. For instance, Asian Spirit and Seair fly smaller planes from Manila to Caticlan, which is a smaller airport (that doesn't support 737's or A320's) that is closer to Boracay than Kalibo is. If you take PAL to Kalibo, you would have to take a 1 and a half hour bus ride to Caticlan and then get on an outrigger boat to Boracay Island. Alternatively, if you take one of the regionals mentioned above, it will take you straight to Caticlan Airport and then jump right into the boat after a very short wait at the airport. So because more and more people are opting to fly the smaller planes for the shorter trip, I don't see PAL flying regularly flying bigger aircraft or increasing their flight frequency to Kalibo.

Ryanair,
Yes, I'm glad that PAL is flying again. Admittedly, they still have a long way to go to be able to truly compete with the heavy hitters such as CX, SQ or even MAS. I really like PAL but I have to say that I have never been fond of their management system or most of their management decisions. Some of their proclamations have resulted in big-time innefficiencies and some lackluster attitude. But if it's keeping them up in the air then so be it. Good luck to them is all I can say. I'll continue flying them.

PS Their Mabuhay magazine is one of my fav in-flight mags. Very colorful indeed!



Its better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than be in the air wishing you were on the ground. Fly safe!
User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2713 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3029 times:

Great trip report!





 Smile LatinPlane


25 N751PR : That was a really good PAL trip report 9V-SVE.I'm glad that you took PAL and believe me it's easier when you arrive/depart in MNL cause PAL passengers
26 Post contains images Trickijedi : And before I forget PAL also uses the A330 (and the occasional A343)from Manila-General Santos too. They also use a 747-400 for the Manila-Genral Sant
27 9V-SVE : Yup, I've been to Borocay. Clean water! If you are riding the boat, be sure to wear short pants because the boatmen will ask you to walk to shore a fe
28 Sq_ek_freak : I actually read your report on Philippine Airlines by searching other PR reports in the archives...could you possible send those cabin pictures to me
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