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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6894 posts, RR: 77
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Background
July and August are always busy months for me at work, so I decided to book a special weekend trip as a compensation. Even though I had to restrict the trip to Saturday and Sunday, I didn't want to stay in Europe. And I wanted to get at least one widebody and/or one new airline. I focused on the Gulf region, but interesting options were limited. Etihad Airways caught my attention after a while which was offering cheap flights to a number of destinations (e.g. Doha and Bahrain). I already flew on Etihad's A330-200 some years ago, but in mid-August the magnificent A340-600 showed up on the Abu Dhabi-Munich route which was very tempting.

I was about to book a trip to Bahrain (A320, A332 twice, A346), but then I suddenly discovered something else. After rather casually entering "CAI" into the booking search engine, I found a Lufthansa combo on Expedia which not only included a PrivatAir 737-800 (Munich-Cairo), but also an EgyptAir A330-200 (Cairo-Frankfurt). Two new airlines - including a very special one - and a widebody - good flying times and a long layover at FRA = simply perfect! The combo was a bit more expensive than the Etihad option, but I didn't mind at all and quickly booked it. After receiving the booking confirmation, I immediately reserved my desired seats on Lufthansa's website.

But what would a PlaneHunter trip be without domestic flights? Due to the relatively early arrival at Cairo (13:00), I could easily make a domestic round trip before spending the night at a hotel near Cairo Airport. Of course I wanted to include a flight on EgyptAir Express so that I would get another new airline. After searching for a while, it was clear that Luxor would be the most appropriate destination for that mission. I decided to fly CAI-LXR on an EgyptAir A320 and LXR-CAI on EgyptAir Express (Embraer 170). Fares were reasonable - and since Business Class was only slightly more expensive, I secured a seat up front on the A320. By doing so, I would also be able to visit a lounge at Cairo's new Terminal 3.

Unfortunately, EgyptAir didn't accept my MasterCard for any reason when I tried to book the domestic flights on its website. The payment process finally worked fine with my VISA card. Then another problem occurred: Even though there was an option to pre-reserve seats online, it didn't work. It was simply not possible to save my choice of seats. So I wrote a short e-mail to EgyptAir with desired seat numbers. Surprisingly, I quickly received a nice reply with a confirmation of my seat requests.  thumbsup 

Finally, I reserved a room at the Novotel Cairo Airport. Due to my long layover at FRA on the return journey (more than five hours), fellow A.net member LH4532 (Daniel) and I took the chance to arrange a meeting at Terminal 2. No doubt, this weekend looked very promising...however, when I checked the reservation about three weeks prior to the trip, the system suddenly showed a 737-800 on the CAI-FRA sector instead of the A330-200 which was very disappointing.  thumbsdown  At least I was able to reserve seat 35A on Lufthansa's website. Anyway, I kept hoping for another change until departure.


Part I can be found here:
Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir (by PlaneHunter Nov 29 2011 in Trip Reports)





Saturday, August 2011
Cairo (CAI) - Luxor (LXR)
EgyptAir MS162
Scheduled times: 17:00-18:00
Actual times: 16:57-18:00
Flight duration: 00:48 (hrs)
Distance: 317 miles
Business Class, seat 10A

Airbus A320-232
SU-GCA (MSN 2073)
Delivered in 10/2003


1st flight on SU-GCA
39th A320-200 flight
40th A320 flight
72nd A32X flight
122nd airline



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After arriving on Lufthansa/PrivatAir from Munich, I passed an EgyptAir transfer desk and decided to ask for the status of my two domestic flights - I really didn't want to get stranded at Luxor in the evening. I was the one and only passenger there, so a friendly female agent immediately took care of my request. She looked a bit surprised when she saw my Cairo-Luxor-Cairo itinerary. "You are going back on the same day?", she asked. I confirmed, but didn't elaborate. Then she told me that everything was fine with both flights, replaced my self-printed OLCI boarding pass for the CAI-LXR flight by a real one and also handed out a lounge invitation card. Unfortunately, she wasn't able yet to check me in for the LXR-CAI flight. Then she directed me towards the domestic gate area, but I told her that I wanted to pass immigration first. She replied that this would also be possible in Luxor, but I preferred to do it in Cairo - just in case of a possible flight delay.

Once again, there were no lines when I changed money, bought a visa ($15) and went to the immigration counters. A female officer with a mobile phone at her ear waved at me and quickly stamped my passport. She continued speaking on the phone and therefore didn't ask me any questions. Some moments later, I stepped into the Terminal 3 main hall:



Then I passed security and went to the concourse where my flight to Luxor was scheduled to depart from. It was totally deserted:



Only few planes were active on this Saturday afternoon, so I went straight to the Elteir Lounge (domestic lounge):



The one-room lounge is quite small, but there was only a handful of other passengers around. Unfortunately, you cannot see any planes from that room:



Sandwiches, pastries and apples were available...



...as well as hot and cold (non-alcoholic) drinks:



The sandwiches with cheese and cold cuts didn't look fresh, so I just ate a few biscuits. It was nice to find Mountain Dew in the fridge, but I was shocked when I discovered lots of dirt on my can's rim. Other cans didn't look different - and the glasses in the cupboard hadn't been polished after dishwashing. That's not what you'd expect to find in a Star Alliance member's Business Class lounge!  thumbsdown  Anyway, I was thirsty and cleaned the can myself. Here's what I got:


Once again, I asked for the status of my domestic flights and the friendly female agent in the lounge confirmed that both would operate as scheduled. Then I grabbed a bottle of water and left the lounge so that I could continue spotting from the gate area.

I was glad to find large clean windows in the gate area, but those are intensely colored blue, as you can see in the next few pictures. My PrivatAir 737-800 on the way back to Munich:



Lufthansa A340-300 D-AIFD getting prepared for its return flight to Frankfurt:



Saudi Arabian 747-400 HZ-AIW and EgyptAir A320-200 SU-GCC:



bmi A321-200 G-MEDJ and EgyptAir A320-200 SU-GCA which turned out to be my plane to Luxor:



EgyptAir's A330-200 SU-GCJ, 737-800 SU-GCS in Star Alliance colors and 777-200ER SU-GBY:



About 45 minutes before departure I went to my gate, but I had to wait outside for some more time together with many other passengers because security officers hadn't started working yet. I wish these gate security checkpoints would disappear everywhere. After passing the checkpoint and a after a boarding pass check I could finally enter the gate.

SU-GCA, one of 12 active A320s in the fleet, first flew in July 2003 and was delivered three months later:



SU-GBY, can't you take over the flight to Luxor?  Wink



Boarding commenced early without any announcements - there was just an agent shouting something in Arabic while heading to the gate exit in order to open the door. Since I had taken a seat nearby, I was among the first passengers to board.

The flights attendants smiled and said hello, but didn't check boarding passes. Oriental boarding music was played which I found quite appropriate. EgyptAir's narrowbodies are equipped with "real" Business Class seats - here's my seat 10A which turned out to be quite comfortable:



Plenty of legroom for this short flight:


Even though seat comfort was fine, the seats and the whole cabin looked worn on this 2003-built plane. What I found most disappointing were the totally scratched windows which made it impossible to take clear pictures through.

A nice female flight attendant offered a pre-departure drink and I asked for orange juice. She replied that only apple, guava and mango juices were available and I opted for guava. Some moments later, another female flight attendant gave me a glass and a bottle of water:


I was wondering about that, but the other flight attendant soon returned with my guava juice - so it became clear that the water had been served additionally. Unfortunately, the juice was not chilled:



Inflight magazine and combined A320/A321 safety card:



Most interesting pages for enthusiasts:



Judging from the immense passenger flow, Economy Class was packed. However, only two people - including myself - were seated in Business Class. My impression was that the other passenger was an EgyptAir employee, but I could be wrong.

"Welcome on this Boeing 73...er...Airbus 320...", a flight attendant (purser?) said in her welcome speech - well, we all have bad days.  Wink According to her, the flying time would be 1 hour and 10 minutes. Shortly afterwards, the (relatively young) captain and a technical staff member showed up and checked something on the ceiling near the Business and Economy Class divider. They soon disappeared again and I don't know what exactly they had looked at - probably a malfunctioning light or sign.

Shortly after I had boarded, a flight attendant had placed a trolley on the floor between rows 8 and 9 on the opposite side - and when the plane was about to leave the gate, I noticed that it was still there. And yes, it would remain there during takeoff - at least it would be removed before landing:



Before pushback, screens were folded out and verses from the Koran sounded through the cabin:



We left the gate three minutes ahead of schedule - engine and wingtip view through scratched window:



I was still hoping to find an EgyptAir A330-200 at my gate on the next day - most preferably SU-GCK in Star Alliance colors:



Safety video showing an A300:


What caught my attention was the remark that electronic devices including cameras "have direct effect on systems...".

The plane taxied to runway 05C without stopping and already started its powerful takeoff run before reaching the centerline - taking decent pictures was impossible because I was facing the sun:



As soon as the seatbelt signs had been switched off, I took some more cabin pictures:



There were 16 Business Class seats on this A320:



Exactly nine minutes after takeoff, a flight attendant offered another drink. This time I ordered mango juice - and some moments later I got this (non-chilled) carton:


The mango juice was too sweet for my taste and I was hoping to get a decent small snack. According to an announcement by the captain, descent would already commence in 15 minutes - but that was still enough time for a small snack in my opinion. Actually I even smelled food being heated up - but I didn't get anything which was a bit disappointing. Probably the crew members had warmed up their own meals...well, they must have been busy - either with eating or chatting - because they didn't show up any more for the rest of the flight. There was only one exception when a flight attendant brought a wet towel.

The scenery would have looked great through an unscratched window:



A comic TV feature was shown on the screens which didn't bother me per se, but the volume was too loud:



Nobody picked up the empty juice carton and the wet towel...


...and nobody showed up for a seat belt check. After landing I would find out that I really had forgotten to fasten my seat belt again after my short cabin picture excursion.  Yeah sure

Final approach:






We touched down after a flying time of 48 minutes and taxied to a remote parking position quite far from the terminal building. I didn't see another aircraft anywhere.

Of course I took some more pictures of the plane in the beautiful evening light:



The Horus on the fuselage looks really pretty, doesn't it?




Luxor Airport
After leaving the bus, I went straight to the exit and watched out for a sign which would show me the way to the departure hall. Unfortunately, I didn't see anything like that, so I asked an officer (police, military or whatever) who was sitting on a chair and watching the arriving passengers. However, he just started rubbing his fingers without saying anything. "Money? Keep on dreaming!", I thought, left the building and tried to find the right direction myself.

I had to walk around two corners of the building until I finally found an entrance to the departure hall. The whole area outside was deserted which I found a bit strange. When I arrived at the security checkpoints, an officer asked for my ticket. I showed him my printout, but when he read "Cairo", he shook his head, said something like "international" and directed me towards the exit. So I went outside again, walked some more steps and entered the domestic side of the hall. There were identical checkpoints on the domestic side and I soon realized that both international and domestic passengers would end up in the same check-in hall after passing security...  Yeah sure

Anyway, a group of three officers was hanging around in front of the domestic checkpoints and all of them looked quite bored. "Passport", one of them loudly said, followed by "ticket". Some moments later, one of the officers shouted something in Arabic to a guy sitting behind the check-in desks. The guy shouted back and the officer turned towards me and said: "Two hours!" I quickly understood - it wasn't possible to check in more than two hours before departure. Therefore, I wasn't allowed to enter the check-in hall.  Yeah sure One of the officers pointed towards the international side and said "cafeteria", but I decided to sit down on a chair near the checkpoints. As soon as the officers went outside to smoke, I took a picture of that area:






Saturday, August 2011
Luxor (LXR) - Cairo (CAI)
EgyptAir Express MS368
Scheduled times: 20:55-22:05
Actual times: 20:53-22:07
Flight duration: 00:57 (hrs)
Distance: 317 miles
Economy Class, seat 36A

Embraer 170
SU-GCY (MSN 17000185)
Delivered in 09/2007


1st flight on SU-GCY
4th Embraer 170 flight
8th E-Jet flight
123rd airline



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Finally, exactly two hours before departure, I passed security and a friendly EgyptAir agent handed out my boarding pass. I asked whether the flight would depart on time and he confirmed. The whole check-in area was deserted - and so was the gate area:



These chairs weren't comfortable at all:


Most shops were closed which wasn't surprising. However, within the next 90 minutes, some dozens of people showed up, so the flight wouldn't operate empty.

My Embraer 170 arrived on time, but I couldn't see much in the darkness through the windows. After the bus ride, I was finally able to identify the aircraft: it was SU-GCY - delivered in September 2007 and still wearing the old tail colors:



The young female flight attendants, wearing different uniforms than their mainline colleagues, appeared rather indifferent. The leather seats were comfortable and I really like the combination of colors...



...but the seats were worn and partly dirty. Legroom was sufficient for this short leg:



Safety instructions:



The load factor (60-70 percent) turned out to be better than expected after the arrival of a second bus. Most importantly, the seat next to me remained empty. Apart from a standard welcome message by a flight attendant, I didn't hear any other announcements. The guys on the flight deck would keep silent all the time.

We left the parking position two minutes ahead of schedule...


...taxied to the runway without stopping and climbed into the night sky after a powerful takeoff run.

Only cold drinks were served on this hop to Cairo and I ordered a lemon soda:



Cabin shot:


The cabin was worn in general, but the rear lavatory's condition was even worse. The tapware in particular was totally battered - and I was shocked when I opened the toilet lid. I don't know if another passenger had intensively used the toilet since departure or if it hadn't been cleaned before the flight. It looked and smelled disgusting...  Embarrassment
Last but not least, there were only a few pieces of soap instead of a liquid soap container.  thumbsdown 

We touched down after a flying time of 57 minutes and taxied to a remote parking position. There were some 20 other EgyptAir and EgyptAir Express planes around, so I could log a few more registrations during the following bus ride. Last shot of SU-GCY:


After booking my room at the Novotel Cairo Airport, I had transmitted my flight data for the free pick-up service. The hotel then offered to send a representative to the arrivals area and I agreed. When I entered the terminal building after the bus ride, I was positively surprised to find a Novotel representative with my name on a sign already waiting here in the gate area - that was a very good service! The young man was very friendly and even spoke German - so we had an interesting conversation while walking to the shuttle pick-up zone. After a 3 minute ride, I arrived at the hotel door.


Novotel Cairo Airport
While the hotel lobby looks nice, many other parts of the building show their age. The receptionists were very friendly and helpful and quickly checked me in. The room was a bit worn down as well, but okay on the whole:


The breakfast buffet on the next morning was alright, but nothing to write home about. I wasn't overly impressed by the hotel in general, but I guess I would choose it again because it's the closest to the airport. That's a lovely front view, isn't it?  Wink



[Edited 2011-12-31 06:38:04]


Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6894 posts, RR: 77
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:


Sunday, August 2011
Cairo (CAI) - Frankfurt (FRA)
EgyptAir MS785
Scheduled times: 09:45-14:10
Actual times: 10:03-14:44
Flight duration: 03:58 (hrs)
Distance: 1817 miles
Business Class, seat 11A

Boeing 737-866
SU-GCR (s/n 2826)
Delivered in 03/2009


1st flight on SU-GCR
24th 737-800 flight
34th 737 NG flight
60th 737 flight



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After taking the hotel shuttle to Terminal 3 more than two hours before departure, I went straight to the check-in area. During the online check-in process for my Lufthansa/PrivatAir flight on Friday I had already received the boarding pass for the Cairo-Frankfurt flight on EgyptAir (LH flight number) - more than 40 hours before departure. Usually you cannot check in for Lufthansa flights more than 23 hours before departure. I found that very odd, so I decided to let an agent check my status and seat number 35A again. Additionally, I asked for a possible aircraft change. The friendly agent confirmed that I was already checked in and he quickly issued a real boarding pass. Unfortunately, he also told me that the aircraft type hadn't changed...  thumbsdown 

I immediately passed security so that I could to log as many registrations as possible until departure. However, spotting options weren't good in that international part of Terminal 3. I couldn't find an area offering good runway/apron views, security checkpoints prevented access to the gates. So I took a seat in one of the crowded corridors and killed the time by reading.

As soon as my gate was opened, I passed security and took a seat near a window. The gate exit gave access to two different jet bridges, so I first thought SU-GDA would be my plane...


...but I soon realized that sister ship SU-GCR would operate flight MS785 to Frankfurt today. It's one of 17 Boeing 737-800s in the fleet and was delivered in March 2009.

When boarding was about to commence, a young female EgyptAir agent showed up in my corner, looked around and called my last name. I was very surprised about that and started wondering what was going on. After I had made myself known, she asked for my boarding pass, took it, crossed out "35A" and wrote down "11A" next to it. "You have seat 11A now", she said.  alert 
Of course I wasn't amused. "What's the reason for that? Aircraft change?", I asked. "No, boarding issues", she just replied with a smile and disappeared. Now I was really annoyed - I had not only lost the desired A330, but also the pre-selected seat in the second last row. I don't like sitting in forward Economy Class sections at all and therefore I wasn't looking forward to that flight any more.  Embarrassment

Boarding commenced and I made my way to SU-GCR...


...but while being stuck in queue near the door I suddenly remembered that row numbering in the A320 Business Class section started at 8. Would it be similar on the company's 737-800s?  hot  I was feeling very excited now and couldn't wait to step on board.

I received a friendly welcome by a female flight attendant, but she didn't check my boarding pass. As soon as I entered the Business Class section, I immediately checked the row numbers and I couldn't believe what I saw: 8...9...10...and 11. My new seat 11A was located in the fourth row of Business Class! What a great surprise!  bigthumbsup 

In contrast to most European carriers, EgyptAir chose "real" Business Class seats for these birds...



...and those are even equipped with seat back screens:



The seat was a bit hard, but still comfortable - and there was plenty of legroom. Perfect for the next five hours!



Parked next to us was A321-200 SU-GBW:



The window was in much better condition this time:



Only few passengers took a seat in Business Class, while the flow of Economy Class passengers seemed to be endless. While all these people kept passing, I started wondering why EgyptAir decided to upgrade me considering that I paid a low fare for my flights and don't have any status. I guess they really had some boarding issues - probably they tried to sit together a family and needed to re-seat someone travelling alone. But why did they pick me? Probably because I had checked in so early? Probably because they checked my itinerary and therefore assumed that I'm not a normal passenger? Probably because the guy in the A320 Business Class section on the day before was an influential EgyptAir employee who - after seeing me taking pictures of everything - assumed I would test the product? I guess I will never find out. Anyway, I had to go back to "work".  Wink

The audio/video on-demand IFE system offers a choice of 19 movies in various languages, 11 games, 17 music CDs and information features. Main menu:



Touchscreen navigation is impractical due to the distance between seat and screen, but there's also a handset:



An IFE guide can be found in the inflight magazine:



Now it didn’t bother me any more to be on a 737:



"Would you like to have a drink?", a friendly young female flight attendant asked. She offered guava and apple juice as well as water and I ordered guava juice again. Unfortunately, just like on the A320, the juice wasn't chilled:


By the way - EgyptAir is a "dry" airline, but I wouldn't have ordered an alcoholic drink on that day anyway.

Shortly after serving pre-departure drinks, the young female flight attendant distributed hot towels - but this time those were soon re-collected again. Then she offered newspapers and handed out headphones:





Even though the scheduled departure time had already passed, the main door was still open. Suddenly the captain and a mechanic showed up and the latter checked something on the floor or at the window seat in the first Business Class row. I asked the young female flight attendant how long the flight would be delayed. "25 minutes, but I will check again", she replied and went back to the galley. She didn't come back, but the mechanic soon disappeared and the door was finally closed. By the way - the aisle seat next to me as well as both seats in the opposite row had remained empty - that's what I call privacy!  thumbsup 

We left the gate 18 minutes behind schedule and verses from the Koran sounded through the cabin:



The captain spoke a few words after the safety video and announced a flying time of 4 hours and 30 minutes. Then we spent some time on the taxiway, because it was quite busy in the morning. Two airlines, four different color schemes:



We finally turned onto runway 05R more than 20 minutes after leaving the gate...



...and lifted off after a powerful and long takeoff roll. I really enjoyed the scenery:





Highway and 737 shadow:



Wide left turn almost completed:



Nice amenity kits were distributed by the friendly male purser shortly after takeoff:



The kit contained more than you need on such a flight - just too bad that the toilet water had already evaporated:



As usual, I skipped the other IFE options and watched the airshow most of the time:







Nice little clouds over the Mediterranean Sea:



The young female flight attendant offered another drink and due to the lack of ginger ale, I ordered 7 Up with ice:



Relax mode with airshow and music from my MP3 player:



Our flight path led over Crete:



Southern coastline and mountains:



This is the Hellenic Air Force Base of Kastelli from which the military operates F-16 Fighting Falcon jets:


Since 1986 there have been plans to build a replacement for Heraklion International Airport on the south western side of the air base.

We passed Heraklion International Airport one minute later:



More than an hour had already passed and I started wondering when lunch would be served. 15 minutes later I noticed that the flight attendants had become busy in the galley, so I was expecting to get something soon. More than 1.5 hours after takeoff, the purser set my table:



Here's the Horus again:



The young female flight attendant soon served a nice tray with a variety of appetizers. Most items tasted quite good, some others didn't:



After I had finished the first course, the young female flight attendant came back with a trolley and offered a choice between fish, chicken and beef. I decided to try the latter:


No doubt, the main course wasn't an optical delight - and I wasn't overly impressed by the quality either. The meat had been cooked a bit too long...


...and the sauce tasted bland and could have been warmer. The vegetables had also been cooked too long and the mashed potatoes were sticky. I was hungry and ate everything, but I wouldn't be happy to get such a main course in a restaurant.

Finally, the young female flight attendant showed up with the dessert trolley and offered a choice between Baklava (sweet pastry with nuts and honey) and a small chocolate mousse cake. "Would you like to have this or that?", she asked with a smile. "I'd like to try both!", I replied. "Er...yes", she said and seemed to be slightly irritated. Well, did she seriously assume I'd be satisfied with one small dessert?  Wink
After she had handed out the two plates to me, she returned to the galley to refill her almost empty trolley so that she could offer the last remaining Business Class passenger a choice as well...I guess that's the reason why she had reacted a bit hesitantly to my request.

Anyway, here's what I got, together with coffee:



Very pretty cup and saucer:


Both the pieces of Baklava and the cake tasted quite good - but I guess many people would find all that too sweet. The coffee wasn't bad either. No doubt, I was full after that meal. Now it was time to recline the seat for a while.  Wink


Meanwhile we were cruising over Croatia. This is Zagreb Airport:



Cabin picture time - I really like these color tones:


Our plane was equipped with 24 Business Class seats - but there was only a handful of passengers in that section.

Luckily, the lavatory was clean and in good condition on this flight. Various care products:



Only 40 more minutes to go:



Descent commenced and we soon plunged into thick clouds:



Final approach from the east over the Main River - in the middle of the picture you can see the coal-fired thermal power station in Großkrotzenburg:



We touched down after a flying time of 3 hours and 58 minutes...



...and taxied to a gate at Terminal 1B where we arrived 34 minutes behind schedule. I quickly sent a message to Daniel and told him that it would take me about 20 more minutes to reach our meeting point at Terminal 2.

Lufthansa A340-600 D-AIHK was parked next to us, in the background you can see a Lufthansa A380 and an Omni International 767-300ER:



Thank you for the upgrade, EgyptAir!



I thanked the purser for the good service and quickly left the plane. Two more pictures of this nice 737:




Luckily, there weren't any queues at passport control this time. I quickly checked in for my Lufthansa flight to Munich and then took the Skytrain to Terminal 2.


Frankfurt Spotting
It was nice to meet Daniel so soon again - unlike at the A.net meeting in July, we had much more time to talk on this afternoon. Of course we went to the observation deck and enjoyed spotting for a couple of hours.

Daniel kindly sent me some of his pictures for this report. SriLankan A340-300 4R-ADC:

Picture by LH4532


Condor 767-300ER D-ABUH with "Peanuts" stickers:

Picture by LH4532


TUIfly 737-800 D-AHFZ in "ARD Fernsehlotterie" (public TV lottery) colors, appropriately named "GlücksbringAIR" ("Glücksbringer" = "lucky charm"):

Picture by LH4532


Saudi Arabian A320-200 HZ-ASD:

Picture by LH4532


Air China Cargo 747-400F:

Picture by LH4532


JAL's JA731J in "Sky Eco" colors and with "COP10" markings (10th session of the UNCCD Conference of Parties) is the second-built 777-300ER:

Picture by LH4532


Air Transat A330-200 C-GITS:

Picture by LH4532


I was glad to see Lufthansa's A380 D-AIMF "Zürich" again which flew me from Johannesburg to Frankfurt in May (report can be found here):


After almost three hours it was time to leave the observation deck. Daniel accompanied me to Terminal 1A, we said goodbye and I headed to my gate. A321-100 D-AIRO "Konstanz" - a new registration for me - operated flight LH120 to Munich on this evening. It was my 11th A321 flight – and, just as expected, a totally eventless one.



Conclusion
I really enjoyed EgyptAir's international Business Class product on the 737-800 flight - comfortable seating, nice IFE, friendly service and plenty of food. However, main course quality and presentation were a letdown. The Business Class product on the A320 domestic flight was okay in general. Seating comfort was good and I got three drinks, but a snack would have been nice. However, the Business Class fare was only slightly more expensive than the Economy Class fare. There's not much to say about the domestic Economy Class product on the E-Jet. I had a comfortable seat and got a free drink which was fine. However, what I found irritating were the safety issues on the A320 flight. And I can only wonder about the condition of the A320 and E-Jet interiors - there's a lot of room for improvement. Last but not least - the domestic lounge at Cairo is not a good advert for this Star Alliance member either.

As for the trip in general: I flew on three new interesting carriers, passed through two new airports, logged a total of 56 new registrations and had a nice meeting with Daniel. I didn't get the desired EgyptAir A330, but the upgrade to Business Class was a perfect compensation. No doubt, this was a great weekend!  thumbsup 


Best Regards,
PlaneHunter



P.S.: Just in case you missed them - my previous trip reports:
Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
1 Day, 2 Highlights: Big A.net Meeting & LAN A340
Imperfect Giant: CPT-JNB-FRA On SA A332 & LH A380
BA Vs. LCC, African Way: JNB-DUR-CPT, Comair/Mango
Africa's Best Airline? FRA-JNB On SAA A340-600
Fuel Dump & Return To CDG: Enroute To LAX On 9/11
Greek Quality: Aegean, Olympic & Istanbul Spotting
Exploring A Virgin: VS A343/A346 & Dubai Delights
Superb Stübli & Crew: LAS-LAX-ZRH-MUC, LX J Class
Grand Canyon & More: Scenic Flight On Dornier 228
San Francisco Sunshine...and A Frontier Fiasco
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2 Hours In Paradise: Hamilton Island (JQ/DJ)
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Testing Qantas: SYD-MEL-SYD-BNE (B738, B763, A332)
Going Down Under: MUC-DXB-SYD On EK A332 & A345
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Weekend Transatlantic Trip (2): US A321 & B762
Transatlantic For A Weekend (1): MUC-DCA On US


[Edited 2011-12-31 06:39:50]


Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineakhmad From Netherlands, joined Sep 2005, 2487 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Hi PH,

I was wondering whether your Christmas gifts would make it before the New Year’s Eve. I have been waiting for your MS premium experience (and many others ) to come.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Then she directed me towards the domestic gate area, but I told her that I wanted to pass immigration first. She replied that this would also be possible in Luxor,

Nice of her to point it out. GA has similar procedure as well in CGK and DPS.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Unfortunately, you cannot see any planes from that room:

But I can see your roll-aboard.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Here's what I got:

Mountain Dew? How did it taste?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
SU-GBY, can't you take over the flight to Luxor?   

SU-GBY only speaks Arabic, I am afraid. She did not understand you.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I opted for guava

It was not chilled, but still a nice choice!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
a flight attendant had placed a trolley on the floor between rows 8 and 9 on the opposite side - and when the plane was about to leave the gate, I noticed that it was still there. And yes, it would remain there during takeoff - at least it would be removed before landing

Why did the attendant do that?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
What caught my attention was the remark that electronic devices including cameras "have direct effect on systems...".

You know better.   


Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The Horus on the fuselage looks really pretty, doesn't it?

  


Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I soon realized that both international and domestic passengers would end up in the same check-in hall after passing security...   

So why bother separating international and domestic passengers?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
That's a lovely front view, isn't it?  

Definitely. Did you consult TripAdvisor about this?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
My new seat 11A was located in the fourth row of Business Class! What a great surprise!   

That’s why the gate agent replied to your question with a smirk.   


Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
But why did they pick me? Probably because I had checked in so early? Probably because they checked my itinerary and therefore assumed that I'm not a normal passenger? Probably because the guy in the A320 Business Class section on the day before was an influential EgyptAir employee who - after seeing me taking pictures of everything - assumed I would test the product?

Is it not great to philosophize why you were upgraded. 


Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
verses from the Koran sounded through the cabin

I cannot remember hearing the Koran verses while on board of MS 738 that time.


PH, I wish you the very best for New Year 2012. Loads of joy of flying and inspirations.

It was great to meet you in person. Our meeting was the first, but certainly not the last.  

Cheers,   
Suryo



Friends forever
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6894 posts, RR: 77
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting akhmad (Reply 2):

I was wondering whether your Christmas gifts would make it before the New Year’s Eve. I have been waiting for your MS premium experience (and many others ) to come.

Many thanks for your comments, Suryo! I know the report arrived here more delayed than planned, but I have been very busy recently.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 2):
But I can see your roll-aboard.

  

Quoting akhmad (Reply 2):
Mountain Dew? How did it taste?

Very sweet...but it's nice to drink it once in a while.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 2):
SU-GBY only speaks Arabic, I am afraid. She did not understand you.

Yes, unfortunately...  

Quoting akhmad (Reply 2):
It was not chilled, but still a nice choice!

Absolutely, quite different from the common stuff.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 2):
Why did the attendant do that?

Good question. I don't think the bins were full - probably it was too large?

Quoting akhmad (Reply 2):
So why bother separating international and domestic passengers?

Yes, that's what I asked myself, too.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 2):
Did you consult TripAdvisor about this?

No, not yet.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 2):
That’s why the gate agent replied to your question with a smirk.

Yes, probably. But she could have told me about the upgrade!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 2):
Is it not great to philosophize why you were upgraded.

  

Quoting akhmad (Reply 2):
I cannot remember hearing the Koran verses while on board of MS 738 that time.

That's interesting. Was that plane already equipped with IFE?

Quoting akhmad (Reply 2):
PH, I wish you the very best for New Year 2012. Loads of joy of flying and inspirations.

I also wish you all the best, Suryo! I have many ideas for 2012...

Quoting akhmad (Reply 2):
It was great to meet you in person. Our meeting was the first, but certainly not the last.

I can only agree. I'm sure there will be many more meetings!


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineroberts87 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2011, 1014 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Ah, I remember reading your inbound trip a little while ago, good to read about these flights now too.
Too bad you missed the A332, but I guess the upgrade made up for that. Thanks for posting!


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6894 posts, RR: 77
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 4):
Ah, I remember reading your inbound trip a little while ago, good to read about these flights now too.
Too bad you missed the A332, but I guess the upgrade made up for that. Thanks for posting!

Hi Robert, thanks for your feedback! The upgrade was indeed a perfect compensation for the loss of the A332.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offline767747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1960 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Great report, PlaneHunter! Happy New Year!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The sandwiches with cheese and cold cuts didn't look fresh, so I just ate a few biscuits. It was nice to find Mountain Dew in the fridge, but I was shocked when I discovered lots of dirt on my can's rim. Other cans didn't look different - and the glasses in the cupboard hadn't been polished after dishwashing. That's not what you'd expect to find in a Star Alliance member's Business Class lounge! thumbsdown Anyway, I was thirsty and cleaned the can myself. Here's what I got:

Very strange. What did they do with the cans? Drop them outside the airport in dirt when bringing them into the lounge?!  
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Only few passengers took a seat in Business Class, while the flow of Economy Class passengers seemed to be endless. While all these people kept passing, I started wondering why EgyptAir decided to upgrade me considering that I paid a low fare for my flights and don't have any status. I guess they really had some boarding issues - probably they tried to sit together a family and needed to re-seat someone travelling alone. But why did they pick me? Probably because I had checked in so early? Probably because they checked my itinerary and therefore assumed that I'm not a normal passenger? Probably because the guy in the A320 Business Class section on the day before was an influential EgyptAir employee who - after seeing me taking pictures of everything - assumed I would test the product? I guess I will never find out. Anyway, I had to go back to "work". Wink

How wonderful you got the upgrade! This is something most of us think about when it happens to us - why me?! I've been upgraded a few times recently, and its been due to various reasons; once was simply because I think the agent was in a great mood!

Your trip with Egyptair brought back some memories; while it was so long ago that I traveled with them, (1997) that old livery was what I remember, with the horus on the tail. I also remember the service being a little strange, and our flights were delayed with no comment at all from the flight deck.

Looking forward to your next trip!

Matthew (767747)


User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Hi PH!

Nice to see this tripreport up, I have been looking forward to it! Great piece as usual!
EgyptAir looks decent, some nice and some letdowns. Too bad about that equipment downgrade, but as you said, the upgrade was a rather nice comensation!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
It was totally deserted:

CAI looks like a rather nice airport, based on your pictures.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
here's my seat 10A which turned out to be quite comfortable:

Does indeed look rather comfortable for a short domestic hop!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Most interesting pages for enthusiasts:

Indeed. I hate it when airlines don't have that kind of pages in their in-flight magazine.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
After the bus ride, I was finally able to identify the aircraft: it was SU-GCY - delivered in September 2007 and still wearing the old tail colors:

Nice looking livery.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
My new seat 11A was located in the fourth row of Business Class! What a great surprise!

Nice! Congrats!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
As usual, I skipped the other IFE options and watched the airshow most of the time:

Looks like a modern and nice airshow.

Martin


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6894 posts, RR: 77
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting 767747 (Reply 6):
Great report, PlaneHunter! Happy New Year!

Hi Matthew, many thanks for your comments! I also wish you a Happy New Year!

Quoting 767747 (Reply 6):
Very strange. What did they do with the cans? Drop them outside the airport in dirt when bringing them into the lounge?!

Probably the cans got dirty during transport. Only clean stuff should make it into a fridge!

Quoting 767747 (Reply 6):
I've been upgraded a few times recently, and its been due to various reasons;

Good to hear!

Quoting 767747 (Reply 6):
once was simply because I think the agent was in a great mood!

Nice - I'd like to have those agents all the time!  

Quoting 767747 (Reply 6):
Your trip with Egyptair brought back some memories; while it was so long ago that I traveled with them, (1997)

Sounds interesting! Which types did you get on?

Quoting 767747 (Reply 6):
I also remember the service being a little strange, and our flights were delayed with no comment at all from the flight deck.

Well, I guess MS is always good for a surprise.  

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 7):
Nice to see this tripreport up, I have been looking forward to it! Great piece as usual!

Hi Martin, thank you for your feedback!

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 7):
Too bad about that equipment downgrade, but as you said, the upgrade was a rather nice comensation!

  

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 7):
CAI looks like a rather nice airport, based on your pictures.

Yes, the new Terminal 3 is not bad - but there's room for improvement.

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 7):
Nice looking livery.

Really? I have never been a fan of the old livery. The new one looks striking IMO.

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 7):
Nice! Congrats!

Thanks!


PH

[Edited 2011-12-31 08:34:15]


Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineakhmad From Netherlands, joined Sep 2005, 2487 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 3):
But she could have told me about the upgrade!

Perhaps she would have until she became aware that she was talking to the legendary PH and hence wanted to surprise you. 


Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 3):
Was that plane already equipped with IFE?

I have to correct myself. The verses from the Koran were indeed read out.



Friends forever
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6894 posts, RR: 77
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting akhmad (Reply 9):

Perhaps she would have until she became aware that she was talking to the legendary PH and hence wanted to surprise you.

Good one!   

Quoting akhmad (Reply 9):
I have to correct myself. The verses from the Koran were indeed read out.

Ah, okay. I guess it's standard on planes with IFE.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8576 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Hi PH,

Great read, nice bunch of pictures too, thanks for sharing.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
bought a visa ($15) and went to the immigration counters. A female officer with a mobile phone at her ear waved at me and quickly stamped my passport. She continued speaking on the phone and therefore didn't ask me any questions

- Never seen that before ever, quite unprofessional.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I was shocked when I discovered lots of dirt on my can's rim. Other cans didn't look different - and the glasses in the cupboard hadn't been polished after dishwashing. That's not what you'd expect to find in a Star Alliance member's Business Class lounge!

- Sounds a bit grotty, not what you expect in a Business Class lounge.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I was glad to find large clean windows in the gate area, but those are intensely colored blue, as you can see in the next few pictures

- Indeed, the blue tint is quite evident, something I found myself in Brazil earlier in the year.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Safety video showing an A300

- Hmm, quite generic then......

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
What caught my attention was the remark that electronic devices including cameras "have direct effect on systems...".

- I think the airlines should have a common standard and text/video with regard to electronic devices.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Exactly nine minutes after takeoff, a flight attendant offered another drink. This time I ordered mango juice - and some moments later I got this (non-chilled) carton:

- Quite un business class like. even on a domestic flight.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I wasn't overly impressed by the hotel in general, but I guess I would choose it again because it's the closest to the airport. That's a lovely front view, isn't it?  

- Yikes, looks a bit grotty from the outside.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I immediately passed security so that I could to log as many registrations as possible until departure. However, spotting options weren't good in that international part of Terminal 3. I couldn't find an area offering good runway/apron views, security checkpoints prevented access to the gates. So I took a seat in one of the crowded corridors and killed the time by reading.

- Nothing worse than lack of viewing facilities when airside.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
My new seat 11A was located in the fourth row of Business Class! What a great surprise!

- Result!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I was hungry and ate everything, but I wouldn't be happy to get such a main course in a restaurant

- Got to be honest, not a great looking meal presentation wise.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Our plane was equipped with 24 Business Class seats - but there was only a handful of passengers in that section.

- I think 24 seats is a little too many IMO, I'm sure they could reduce the J seats for more Y.

Cheers

Mark



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User currently offlineinfodesk From Switzerland, joined May 2006, 1464 posts, RR: 33
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Hi PH,

Thanks for this insight into Egyptair. The domestic flights didn't create such a good impression, but at least they redeemed themselves with the lovely surprise upgrade on the FRA leg. The meal was very generous indeed, shame not all of it tasted as good as it looked.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
It was nice to find Mountain Dew in the fridge, but I was shocked when I discovered lots of dirt on my can's rim.

Not heard of this one before, is it orange based?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Of course I wasn't amused. "What's the reason for that? Aircraft change?", I asked. "No, boarding issues", she just replied with a smile and disappeared. Now I was really annoyed - I had not only lost the desired A330, but also the pre-selected seat in the second last row.

I can understand your annoyance, I would have been just the same. Still, at least there was a happy end.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
While all these people kept passing, I started wondering why EgyptAir decided to upgrade me considering that I paid a low fare for my flights and don't have any status

So there's hope for others on this forum like me! Was Y completely full?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
"I'd like to try both!", I replied. "Er...yes", she

That's the spirit. Make the most of the upgrade!

Alles Gute für das neue Jahr,

Happy flying
Infodesk   



"Do nothing in haste, look well to each step and from the beginning think what may be the end" - Edward Whymper
User currently offlinelukeyboy95 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 1128 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Well done PH on another sterling report... I particularly enjoyed this one.




Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
. By doing so, I would also be able to visit a lounge at Cairo's new Terminal 3.

This seemed like a good plan untill I saw the disappointing offerings that transpired... no booze!?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Then I passed security and went to the concourse where my flight to Luxor was scheduled to depart from. It was totally deserted:

The terminal looks nice, clean and under capacity.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Economy Class was packed.

Interesting, did you get a passenger profile idea? Mostly Egyptians, or alot of tourists. This should be a really busy tourist corridor, but sadly the downturn may have affected this.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Probably the crew members had warmed up their own meals...well, they must have been busy - either with eating or chatting - because they didn't show up any more for the rest of the flight. There was only one exception when a flight attendant brought a wet towel.

har har. Very naughty... giving you false hope. Sounds terrible. I suppose Egyptair have chosen their model somewhere between a low-cost and full-service airline, but don't exactly take huge pride in the soft-product. I have never felt the inkling to try them for that reason. I could imagine 'disinterested' being a key word.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
But why did they pick me?

Because you write bloody good trip reports of course.

Enjoyed this report to Arab Africa. Well done. I find Egyptair totally uninspiring, but I liked the livery and the routing. Cairo looks impressive. Only sad that window was scratched so badly in inbound to LUXOR as the views of the green corridor around the Nile are staggering.

Cheers PH

and a happy New Year,

Luke



Breaking down the stereotypes - one by one
User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
Really? I have never been a fan of the old livery. The new one looks striking IMO.

I agree that the new one is great aswell! Just thought the Embraer looked great in that livery.  

Martin


User currently offlineLuxair747SP From Germany, joined May 2010, 511 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Hi PH,

a nice report to finish 2011.
The international C class product on Egypt indeed looks quite promising, also the seats.
The domestic flights seemed to be standard, maybe they want that the Bizclass passengers eat in the lounge before the flight?

Thanks a lot for sharing and a " guten Rutsch"
Cheers Johannes


User currently offlineaflyingkiwi From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Hi PH,

Thanks for the great New Year's Day treat!

Egyptair's product doesn't seem too bad. I'm quite impressed that they haven't adopted the euro-style business class but I guess some of those sectors to Europe can be quite long. It's also good to see that they offered a full 3 couse hot meal on that flight. The domestic flights seemed to be pretty much what you'd expect for a 1 hour flight.

Thanks for sharing & cheers to a Happy 2012!  

Regards,
aflyingkiwi


User currently offlinesfflyer123 From United States of America, joined May 2010, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Thank you for posting this. This is a great TR of egypt air. I think the seats are definitely not the greatest, but the flights are not super-long, so it's not horrible. They look very much like domestic United States first class seats. The food, however, looked really good, and there seemed to be lots of it, also. Thanks for posting!

User currently offlineMSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2474 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Hi PH

Wonderfull trip report, enjoyed reading it!
Egyptair's interior colors look very warm, without being to warm!
It's funny to have row 36 on an E190. Is there any reason why MS starts numbering that high?
Good to know that you got the upgrade, the perfect compenstation for a type downgrade!
While the meal does not look that appetizing and the IFE screens look a bit far and small, it's always better than flying Y.


Greetings
Marc



Next trip report: Well worn A330s and Hassle free MUC transfer
User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From UK - England, joined Sep 2003, 5177 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Hi, PH,

that´s what I call an nice evening read. And I´ve managed it before the major fireworks today.
Well done, I like the photos above the egyptian landscape, real good.

What a pity with the downgrade, same happened to me also last year from the A332 to the B738 on the very same route.

Wish you a good change for 2012,
Markus(FLIEGER67)



Next: London City connections!.
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27228 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Hey Udo nice to read your experience on MS. Your thoughts are similar to mine. The catering main course seems to lack something but the rest is ok especially the dessert and coffee I love the cups also .

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Nice amenity kits were distributed by the friendly male purser shortly after takeoff:

Still got mine and very nice to have as a keep sake.

Nice photos as usual thanks for the insight . Look forward to your reports in 2012 . Happy New Year  

Regards

Philip  


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6894 posts, RR: 77
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 11):

Great read, nice bunch of pictures too, thanks for sharing.

Hi Mark, many thanks for your comments!

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 11):
Never seen that before ever, quite unprofessional.

Yes, I was quite surprised about that.

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 11):
Sounds a bit grotty, not what you expect in a Business Class lounge.

  

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 11):
I think the airlines should have a common standard and text/video with regard to electronic devices.

I can only agree.

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 11):
Quite un business class like. even on a domestic flight.

  

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 11):
Nothing worse than lack of viewing facilities when airside.

So true!

Quoting infodesk (Reply 12):
Thanks for this insight into Egyptair.

Hi Hannah, thanks for your reply!

Quoting infodesk (Reply 12):
The domestic flights didn't create such a good impression, but at least they redeemed themselves with the lovely surprise upgrade on the FRA leg.

  

Quoting infodesk (Reply 12):
Not heard of this one before, is it orange based?

No, it's citrus-flavored.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 12):
I can understand your annoyance, I would have been just the same. Still, at least there was a happy end.

  

Quoting infodesk (Reply 12):
So there's hope for others on this forum like me! Was Y completely full?

Yes, I think so.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 12):
That's the spirit. Make the most of the upgrade!

  

Quoting infodesk (Reply 12):
Alles Gute für das neue Jahr,

Wünsche ich Dir auch!

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 13):
Well done PH on another sterling report... I particularly enjoyed this one.

Thanks a lot, Luke! Good to hear you enjoyed reading.

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 13):
This seemed like a good plan untill I saw the disappointing offerings that transpired... no booze!?

EgytAir is a "dry" airline!

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 13):
Interesting, did you get a passenger profile idea? Mostly Egyptians, or alot of tourists. This should be a really busy tourist corridor, but sadly the downturn may have affected this.

Mostly Egyptians, I noticed just a few tourists.

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 13):

Because you write bloody good trip reports of course.

Thanks a lot!

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 13):
Enjoyed this report to Arab Africa. Well done. I find Egyptair totally uninspiring, but I liked the livery and the routing.

The livery is indeed great. And I like the fleet mix.

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 13):
Only sad that window was scratched so badly in inbound to LUXOR as the views of the green corridor around the Nile are staggering.

Yes, that's too bad!

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 13):
and a happy New Year,

Happy New Year, too!

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 14):
I agree that the new one is great aswell! Just thought the Embraer looked great in that livery.

EgyptAir Express keeps its different basic livery.

Quoting Luxair747SP (Reply 15):
a nice report to finish 2011.

Hi Johannes, thanks for your feedback!

Quoting Luxair747SP (Reply 15):
The international C class product on Egypt indeed looks quite promising, also the seats.

The seats were really nice.

Quoting Luxair747SP (Reply 15):
The domestic flights seemed to be standard, maybe they want that the Bizclass passengers eat in the lounge before the flight?

But the offerings weren't really good.

Quoting Luxair747SP (Reply 15):
Thanks a lot for sharing and a " guten Rutsch"

Frohes neues Jahr, Johannes!

Quoting aflyingkiwi (Reply 16):
Thanks for the great New Year's Day treat!
Quoting aflyingkiwi (Reply 16):
Thanks for sharing & cheers to a Happy 2012!

Hi aflyingkiwi, many thanks for your comments! I wish you a Happy New Year, too!

Quoting aflyingkiwi (Reply 16):
I'm quite impressed that they haven't adopted the euro-style business class but I guess some of those sectors to Europe can be quite long.

Yes, their 738s fly on really long routes.

Quoting aflyingkiwi (Reply 16):
It's also good to see that they offered a full 3 couse hot meal on that flight.

I didn't have to leave that plane hungry!

Quoting sfflyer123 (Reply 17):
Thank you for posting this. This is a great TR of egypt air.

Many thanks, sfflyer123!

Quoting sfflyer123 (Reply 17):
I think the seats are definitely not the greatest, but the flights are not super-long, so it's not horrible.

They were quite comfortable actually.

Quoting sfflyer123 (Reply 17):
The food, however, looked really good, and there seemed to be lots of it, also.

Yes, I cannot complain about the quantity.

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 18):
Wonderfull trip report, enjoyed reading it!

Thanks a lot, Marc!

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 18):
Egyptair's interior colors look very warm, without being to warm!

The interior on the 738 is really nice.

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 18):
It's funny to have row 36 on an E190. Is there any reason why MS starts numbering that high?

I haven't found that out yet.

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 18):
Good to know that you got the upgrade, the perfect compenstation for a type downgrade!

  

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 18):
While the meal does not look that appetizing and the IFE screens look a bit far and small, it's always better than flying Y.

No doubt about that!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 19):
that´s what I call an nice evening read. And I´ve managed it before the major fireworks today.
Well done, I like the photos above the egyptian landscape, real good.

Servus Markus, thanks for your comments!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 19):
What a pity with the downgrade, same happened to me also last year from the A332 to the B738 on the very same route.

Yes, I remember that well.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 20):
Hey Udo nice to read your experience on MS. Your thoughts are similar to mine.

Thanks for your feedback, Phil! I still remember your MS report!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 20):
Nice photos as usual thanks for the insight .

I'm glad you liked it!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 20):
Look forward to your reports in 2012 . Happy New Year

Happy New Year, too!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 20):
The catering main course seems to lack something but the rest is ok especially the dessert and coffee I love the cups also .

The cups are really beautiful.



PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineMSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2474 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 18):
Egyptair's interior colors look very warm, without being to warm!

oopss.. meaning "without being to bright" iso to warm. replying to TR's after a big NY eve dinner didn't seem the best thing to do!



Next trip report: Well worn A330s and Hassle free MUC transfer
User currently offlineburj From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 901 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:

Very cool trip report!

That is so cool that you got upgraded...BUT....

If MS is going to have nice table tray clothes with Horus embroidered on them....they should be place with Horus facing the right way!!!

Horus would NOT be happy being upside down during your whole meal! Poor Horus!


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6894 posts, RR: 77
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 22):
oopss.. meaning "without being to bright" iso to warm. replying to TR's after a big NY eve dinner didn't seem the best thing to do!

No worries, Marc!

Quoting burj (Reply 23):
Very cool trip report!

Thanks for your feedback, burj!

Quoting burj (Reply 23):
That is so cool that you got upgraded...BUT....

It was indeed a great surprise.

Quoting burj (Reply 23):
If MS is going to have nice table tray clothes with Horus embroidered on them....they should be place with Horus facing the right way!!!

Horus would NOT be happy being upside down during your whole meal! Poor Horus!

Yeah, very good observation!   


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
25 717Flyer : Hi PH, This trip report was the first one for me to read in 2012 - and indeed it provided an excellent start to the flying year of 2012! Thanks for a
26 Post contains images 717Flyer : oops, no Luxemburg, I mean LXR, of course.
27 Post contains images PlaneHunter : Hi 717Flyer, many thanks for your nice comments! I'm glad you liked it. The difference was less than €20 one-way. Unfortunately, I didn't get any M
28 lychemsa : I love Egyptian Guava and Mango juice. Thanks for the report.
29 PlaneHunter : ...but MS should serve them chilled! Thanks for your feedback. PH
30 gabrielchew : Hi Planehunter! Strange that you can choose to either travel domestically or internationally Well, sometimes scaring people is the easiest way to get
31 Post contains images PlaneHunter : Hi Gabriel, thanks for replying! Thanks! It seems their 772s are really outdated. PH
32 Post contains images FlyingFinn76 : Hi PH, Good to see you wrapping up that short trip to Egypt. Egyptair pretty much looks like how I expected it to look - rather haphazard on the short
33 Post contains images PlaneHunter : Hi P., thanks a lot for your feedback, always highly appreciated! I think you're right. But I don't write English texts at work. Yes, that's what I h
34 Post contains images 767747 : Thanks, PlaneHunter! We flew from JFK-CAI-JFK on the 747-300, and from CAI-LXR-CAI was operated by A300's! You as well, sir! Happy New Year! Best, Mat
35 flykev : Many thanks for sharing yet another fantastic trip report with us here PlaneHunter. The domestic flights looked like they certainly left a lot to be d
36 signol : Hi Planehunter, thanks for another excellent report, concluding your Egyptian adventure! Do you mind my asking how much more? I've seen Business fares
37 PlaneHunter : Hi again! Wow, that sounds great! I guess these planes still had really classic interiors. Hi Kev, thanks a lot for your feedback! Always highly appr
38 FlyingFinn76 : Hi again, Yeah, that's true. But usually you can tell from a person's writing style whether they are accustomed to writing andhow much they do it. If
39 PlaneHunter : I can only agree! Good point! But there's still a chance for "success". However, who knows what would happen to a cheater in certain countries... PH
40 nipoel123 : Hi PH, I never was a great fan of Egypt, and your report has closed the door to Egyptair for quite a while now. If I ever go there it'll either be on
41 PlaneHunter : Hi Nick, many thanks for your comments! I think you can have bad and good experiences on MS - you just never know. Expect to read something about the
42 Post contains images LH4532 : Hello PlaneHunter , I was very happy when I saw that your TR is finally online . I have been waiting for quite a while , and I must say that it has be
43 Post contains images sultanils : Hello PH, I very much liked your follow-up report on your trip to Egypt. The service on the domestic flights looked not so good: no snack, warm drinks
44 Post contains images CaptainRed : Hi PH, thanks for this interesting report about MS and Egyptair Express. Too bad to read about that downgrade, a ride in their A330 would have been so
45 Post contains images PlaneHunter : Servus Daniel! Thanks so much for your nice comments! I'm wondering why they ask those questions... Absolutely! That's what happens when you operate
46 volvair : Hi PH, I'm finally managing to catch up on some TRs here. Great story and interesting insight int EgyptAir. A pity though you did not get on the 330,
47 The777Man : Hi PlaneHunter! Thanks for a fantastic report with amazing pictures! Your experience on EgyptAir was similar to mine; service is not so great and hard
48 TravelsUK : Thanks again for a great TR, brought back some good memories for me! I saw this aircraft when I was in transit through Doha a couple of days ago and h
49 eastafspot : Nice african installment PH, Egyptair would hate to spoil its record apparently, despite a nice gesture on the last flight, it did not make up for the
50 Post contains images PlaneHunter : Servus volvair, thanks a lot for your feedback! I'm glad you enjoyed it. Some nuts would have been fine. I didn't get any M&M miles at all! Hi La
51 Cyanide72 : Long time A.net Forum lurker and I finally decided to join up. I've always been a fan of your trip reports and I've read (and enjoyed!) almost all of
52 Post contains images Parton87 : Hello PH! Thanks for the great continuation of your trip to Egypt! Egyptair seem to be a quit good carrier exept the non-existence meal service on the
53 The777Man : Time flies....; yes it doesn't seem like it was that long ago. I'm not sure but I wouldn't be surprised if they haven't changed a thing on the 777-20
54 MaverickM11 : Why on earth does MS have a 738 w/ 24 business class seats??
55 LXM83 : Hello PlaneHunter Finally got around to reading your report, thanks for writing it up. Too bad the A330 didn't work out, but C-class was a nice compen
56 Post contains images LH4116 : Hello PH, great report! Sorry for the late reply. Seems much like the LH Business Lounge in MXP then. Suppose those tiny one-room lounges aren't ideal
57 Post contains links abrelosojos : Thanks for the report. Was interesting to compare your MS JCL experience with mine: Egypt Air MS 778: MAR/11: LHR-CAI: J Cabin (by abrelosojos Jan 14
58 hooNS90 : As always, excellent trip report and pictures! Wow, I would have been totally repulsed. If I had seen something like this in Japan, I would have faint
59 Post contains images airbuseric : Hi PH, good to see your final episode of the EgyptAir report here. Definitely an interesting read with good pictures along the way! Unexpected good se
60 Post contains images PlaneHunter : Hi Cyanide72, you made a good decision! Thanks a lot, I'm glad you enjoy my reports. Hi Robert, thanks for your feedback. I'm sure they did. No, it's
61 initious : Hi PH, Yet another wonderful TR from you! Business Class on the A320 looked pretty normal to me, guess you can't expect much from a domestic hop. Inte
62 MaverickM11 : My cynical guess is that they need(ed) all those premium seats for government officials
63 Post contains images PlaneHunter : Hi Daniel, many thanks for your comments! I'm glad you enjoyed reading. That was an appropriate compensation! Absolutely. I didn't go back, so I don'
64 canadiantree : I guess these E jets have no real business class seats :/ Considering them on a BUD-CAI leg but 3 hours is a long time in J on a Y seat.
65 PlaneHunter : No real Business Class seats on these birds, that's correct. PH
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