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User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2905 posts, RR: 21
Posted (14 years 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3035 times:

First of all, thanks to Ben Pritchard, Donder10 and all the others who gave me useful spotting information for SNN. And yes, Airsicknessbag, I've got Irish Euro coins for you  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

After my last FR-trip to BOH, I decided that SNN is a must-seen-airport, too. When I planned the SNN-trip, Ryanair-fares were 7€ one-way. But it took me some time to make sure that I don't have to work that weekend, and when I was finally able to book, I had to pay 69.99€ one-way:
*******139.98 EUR Adults
*********5.00 EUR Fees
*********0.00 EUR Service Charges
*********6.74 EUR Ins Levy/PSC
*********0.00 EUR UK Air Duty
*********4.35 EUR Government Tax
*********4.35 EUR Airport Tax
*********0.00 EUR Car rental
*********0.00 EUR Insurance
*******160.42 EUR Total Paid

Friday afternoon, I left home at 12:30 by car. 280km and nearly 3h later, I arrived at HHN. Scheduled time of departure is 19:10, the check-in opens two hours before, so I had some time to drive around. But there were no movements at all, just a parked An-124. Those streets at HHN are crazy, some of them are old taxiways, about 10m wide, I suddenly got the feeling that I must have taken a wrong road and that I'm on a real taxiway, the old USAF buildings around me, I somehow expected evil US soldiers coming out of the buildings and shooting me "while attempting to escape"  Big grin But nothing happened, this taxiway is now used as a public road from HHN to Trier!
The parking spaces seem to become rarer and rarer every time I visit HHN, this time I had to walk 15 minutes from my car to the terminal building.

Friday, 24May 2002
Scheduled time of departure: 19:10
Scheduled time of arrival: 20:10
EI-CSV (B737-800)

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I arrived at the terminal at 16:45, started a queue at the check-in desk, and when they opened the check-in at 17:10, I got "002" printed on my plastic boarding pass (two c/i counters were used, so "001" was probably given out at the other counter). When I asked how many passengers they expect, the lady told me that 165 passengers were booked. I went outside to watch the landing of a Hapag-Lloyd 738. Later, before I went through security check, I passed at the c/i again, and even now there was no long queue there, Ryanair manual c/i is fast, it takes less than one minute per passenger.
I was very early at the gate, got a seat close to the gate door, so after the pre-boarding of passengers with children I was the first "normal" passenger to board the aircraft and took seat 32F.
Boarding was finished at 19:05, but the captain made an announcement that due to ATC problems over the UK, we would have to wait at least 15 minutes before starting the engines. The Ryanair cabin crew used this time for a 15-minutes Ryanair commercial: Food and drinks they offer, telephone cards, duty-free stuff, blablabla... it was a German cabin crew, and about 95% of the passengers were German, but all those annoying announcements were made in English language only - strange. After 15 minutes, the captain made another announcement that it would take another 5 more minutes, so the cabin crew continued their "please visit www.ryanair.com" and "ever thought of holiday in Perpignon" announcements. At 19:31 we finally started push-back, take-off at 19:40.
It was raining when leaving HHN, it was overcast during the whole flight, and it was raining when arriving in SNN, so there was not much to see during the flight. I brought some coke and biscuits with me in my rucksack, so I didn't order anything. But compared to my (shorter) HHN-BOH flight in the afternoon, they sold quite a lot of sandwiches on this (longer) HHN-SNN flight at dinner time.
Once again I have to say that the Ryanair seat-pitch is still okay for short-haul flights. The aircraft was very new (I think EI-CSV is 4 months old) and despite the fact that they did not do any cleaning at HHN, the cabin was clean, too.
Flight time was nearly 2 hours - strong headwinds as they told us, and maybe they could not take the direct route due to those ATC problems. We landed at 20:20 and arrived at the gate at 20:28. It was raining and cold, so I decided not to do any spotting that day.
I picked up my bag and searched for a taxi. But there was no taxi, just a counter where you can order a taxi. The guy told me that the next taxi is available in about 15 minutes. I didn't want to wait that long, so I shared a taxi with two German ladies who also arrived from HHN. We stopped at a B&B just about 200m away from the Shannon Aerospace hangar. Wow! Unfortunately it was the ladies' B&B. My B&B was about 2km away.

The B&B was nice. Nothing special, but really nice. I had a shower, and then I went sleeping. But can you imagine how cold it was? The heating didn't work, or maybe they switched it off during the "summer". So I decided that my pyjama is not enough, I put on an additional T-shirt and socks before going to bed. One hour later I was still cold, so I put on my pullover. At night I woke up, I was still cold, so I even put on my coat. There is a song by The Cranberries called "So cold in Ireland". I always thought that this song had a political interpretation - but now I understand the real meaning of this song.
Anyway, it was cheap (25€, compared to the airport hotel for 112€), so if you ever decide to go to SNN, take pullovers with you, and then the "Ardkeen" B&B is the place to go!

The next morning at 8 o'clock, Mr Ardkeen (if this is his name?) drove me to the airport. The time between 8 and 12 is really interesting, but as nearly everywhere in the world, the saturday afternoon is really boring. But let's start from the beginning: When I arrived, there were two British Airways 744s, one European 742 and one Air Atlanta 742, all departing to Cardiff, there was any sports event, soccer or rugby game, I have no idea. In addition to those charter flights, I also saw the scheduled traffic, of course: 3x Royal Jordanian A310, 5x Aer Lingus A330, Delta B777, Continental B757, 2x American Trans Air TriStar, just to name a few. And of course many German charter flights.
In the afternoon, I walked around to see the parked aircraft: Iberia B727 (EC-CFA), an a/w Lockheed Electra, two B707s, ... In front of the Shannon Aerospace hangar, there were some parked aircraft: an A319 in full Swissair colours (HB-IPW), a Lauda B737-300 (OE-ILF), a Lufthansa A321 (D-AIRS I think), a Lina Congo B737-200 and an ex-Dinar MD-80, on the other side of the airport there was an all-white B737-200, ex-Sabena I think. No registrations were painted on those aircraft, so if anybody happens to know the ex-registration or msn of the LinaCongo, Dinar and Sabena aircraft, any help is appreciated!

Saturday, 25May 2002
Scheduled time of departure: 20:35
Scheduled time of arrival: 23:30
EI-CSV (the same B737-800 as the day before)

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The check-in at SNN opens three hours before departure. I arrived at the c/i at 17:45, two counters were opened, a queue of about 20 passengers in front of each counter. But it went *slowly*! I had to queue for 50 minutes(!), at 18:35 I could finally check in, I got security number 43. They have two counters, and after one hour they only had 43 passengers. Once again I asked for the number of passengers booked, 187 this time. I have no idea how they managed to check the remaining 144 passengers in time, maybe they opened five additional counters, or they simply hurried up. I went to the viewing area again, and at 19:00 I went to the gate.
The aircraft from Hahn arrived on time. It's a usual procedure that a Ryanair f/a comes to the gate after the last passengers has left the aircraft, in order to tell the gate agent to start boarding. But there was no gate agent yet, the f/a was standing outside the gate and the gate door was locked. What a shame! Finally, the gate agent arrived. They had a short discussion if it's the gate agent's or the f/a's job to make the boarding announcement. After not much more than two minutes discussion, the f/a finally made his detailed boarding call: "Ladies and gentlemen, Ryanair 128 now ready for boarding."
Once again I was the first passenger to board the aircraft, once again I took seat 32F. There was an old lady taking seat 32D. I told her that the aircraft would probably become full, and the 32E seat won't remain empty. She didn't say anything, remained on her 32D seat, and whenever anybody wanted to take that seat, she gave him/her an evil eye, so indeed: the 32E seat remained free.
Boarding was completed at about 20:40, but the loaders were not yet finished. It is simply impossible to off-load the baggage of 180+ passengers and load the baggage of 187 other passengers within 25 minutes ground time. Everybody had got much baggage, including some bikes, golf equipment, etc. They were finished at 20:48, and I must say that they worked really quickly. 25 minutes ground time is simply not enough on this flight. We started push-back at 20:50, take-off at 20:54.
I was raining the whole day, but when we took off, there were suddenly no clouds at all, so there was blue sky above us, green Ireland below us, and a beautiful sunset. Flight time was only 1h 25min this time, 20 minutes after take-off it was completely night, and it was full moon. Very nice flight, I had a coke this time (1.70€ or the 150ml can), but all in all they did not sell very much in that flight.
We landed at 23:22, they made the normal announcement "Welcome to Frankfurt-Hahn, eight minutes ahead of schedule!", and we arrived at the gate at 23:26. It took about 15 minutes until I got my baggage, but on the way to the baggage reclaim we could see that they worked really quickly, it simply takes that time to offload the baggage of so many passengers. Then I walked back to my car, the street lighting didn't work which didn't really help me finding my car, and I arrived at home at 2:40.

All in all, it was a nice short trip, not as cheap as my previous Ryanair trips, but nice. But it will probably be my last Ryanair trip, because there are other cheap flights from STR to London, and I have already been to PIK, BOH and SNN, the other destinations from HHN are boring. Ryanair will have to add some additional interesting destinations from HHN, or the will have to start services to STR or FKB, otherwise this has been my last Ryanair flight.

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User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (14 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2972 times:


Thanks for that really interesting report; I did not realise SNN had so much traffic-I always thought of it as a green field with cows and occasionally, maybe, some old planes-but then I read about all these EI A330s-wow! I guess the Dublin-Shannon route must be in high demand.

It's a real shame that you don't get as much choice with low-cost airlines as those of us who live near STN...if Ryanair had a FFP, I would be a Gold card-holder already......easily  Big thumbs up

Hopefully if Easy/DBA merger goes ahead, and with further Ryanair expansion, you should have more opportunities for travel with low-cost airlines (or perhaps Lufthansa will follow BA's strategy, and offer lots of cheaper fares for advanced-booking on mid-week flights)....I am already very impressed with their response, and they are many times cheaper than Easyjet...but I don't think they can (or want) to compete with Ryanair.

Interesting times, thanks for the report, and keep travelling when possible!

User currently offlineTeahan From Ireland, joined Nov 1999, 5446 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (14 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2946 times:


Thanks for the interesting trip report! All those B747's where charters for a rugby match in Cardiff.


There is really very little demand Dublin - Shannon. It is just that small little government regulation called the "Shannon Stopover Rule".


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User currently offlineB737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2917 times:

Very nice trip report !
I just got back from London 2 hours ago and I loved it. So if you have further info on those cheap flights from STR to LHR I'd be pleased if you let me know. I'd love to go there again soon.
Nothing can beat spotting at Heathrow airport. This is an airplane heaven.


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2916 times:

Hi Ndebele!

Thanks for the very good and entertaining trip report.

Btw: I hope that we have success with our project "Jürgen Weber at Harald Schmidt".


User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2905 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (14 years 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2914 times:

Teahan, what exactly is the "Shannon Stopover Rule"? I just realized that all flights go DUB-SNN-BOS-SNN-DUB, DUB-SNN-JFK-SNN-DUB, etc. I found that very strange, this means that DUB gets hardly any Aer Lingus nonstop transatlantic flights. I thought that US-American tourists might prefer Shannon over Dublin, but then again, why would they send every A330 from SNN back to DUB? It's really strange and seems very uneconomic, can you please give us some more information about that rule?!

Captain Picard, I'm sure those Royal Jordanian A310s use SNN as the last refueling airport before crossing the Atlantic, there are surely not many Irish people travelling to Amman, or Jordanian people visiting Shannon. Those BA 744s were an exception because of the rugby game, as Teahan confirmed. Anyway, SNN between 8am and 11am is really very interesting. The rest of the day, well...

B737-700, glad to hear that you enjoyed your LHR trip. We are looking forward to read your trip report! I need to visit LHR (and LGW, too) again as soon as possible. At least once every year I want to visit those two airports, they're great, and it's already 10 months ago since my last visit. Talking about cheap flights to London: What I wanted to say is, that it is cheaper to buy a regular BA STR-LHR-STR flight than buying a cheap Ryanair flight from HHN or FDH to Stansted, driving by car those 280km to HHN or 150+ km to FDH, and then from Stansted by train and underground to LHR. Stansted is a nice airport, too - but nothing beats LHR!

User currently offlineB737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (14 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2855 times:

Ok, the report is up now.  Big thumbs up http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/20795/

User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (14 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2851 times:

So you like snn? i do, its a unique airport! u where lucky to be there on the rugby charters day!

that LinaCongo 732 was there when i went!


User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6383 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (14 years 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2829 times:

Very interesting trip report and detailed trip report.

Fly the Flag!!!!
User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2905 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (14 years 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2822 times:

And here's a great picture taken at Cardiff, taken the same day I was at SNN. Steve Hall, if you read this: I was lucky enough to see all these aircraft taking off at SNN a few hours before  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Btw did you ever see passengers boarding through a starboard door?

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But even without those rugby charters - SNN is still a great airport, all in all I have seen 52 different aircraft between 8:30 and 20:30, most of which were really interesting aircraft! SNN is much larger than I expected. I can only recommend it, especially in the morning hours.

LGW, so the Lina Congo is in long-term storage? I didn't know that. Looked like it had arrived yesterday. No parts were missing, in fact not even the cockpit windows were covered with that aluminium/tin foil (as you see it on most MHV/VCV/MZJ pics).

User currently offlineTeahan From Ireland, joined Nov 1999, 5446 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (14 years 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2797 times:


The Shannon stopover rule states that airlines must operate an equal number of transatlantic flights to/from both DUB and SNN. The rule was introduced by the government to protect the West of Ireland after Shannon ceased being a mandatory refuelling stop due to the increasing range of modern aircraft. There are rumours that Delta may pull out unless this rule is scrapped in the immediate future and it is believed that it is the reason why so many US airlines such as AA don’t serve Ireland at all.

It really should be scrapped but as you know, politics…

I’d say you were quite lucky to be in SNN on that exact day. Sometimes SNN can simply be unbelievably monotonous.


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User currently offlineMcmahonsmr From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (14 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

The Minister for Public Enterprise has just lost her seat in an election and god please maybe the SNN stop will end!!!! I would love to be able to fly AA to the US from DUB rather than have to go to LHR and get the AA flight!!


User currently offlineSpotterboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (14 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2708 times:

Very nice man !!!

Compliments to u !!

User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2905 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (13 years 12 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

Yes, it seems that I was really lucky to visit SNN that exact day. Btw, is "Shannon Stopover Rule" the official name of that law? I can't imagine that a law says that airlines have to make a stopover at SNN, if an airline serves SNN with one flight and DUB with another flight, would that make a difference? When at SNN, I saw many US-American tourists waiting for their flight, SNN seems to be the tourism airport of Ireland. What if AA (or any other US-American airline) decides to fly DFW-SNN-DFW twice a week for touristic purposes, and DFW-DUB-DFW twice a week for business purposes?

User currently offlineCap'n Dan From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (13 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2631 times:

Is HHN really 280 km from downtown Frankfurt? Yikes!

User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1828 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (13 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2621 times:

Hahn is about 110 km from Frankfurt.
A Ryanair bus service links Frankfurt downtown and FRA Main airport to Hahn in 1 hour and 45 minutes.

User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2905 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (13 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

HHN is not 280km from downtown Frankfurt. But it's 280km from downtown Stuttgart (where I live).

User currently offlineCap'n Dan From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (13 years 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2594 times:

Airblue: It takes 1h45min to drive 110 km? Some autobahn...

User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2905 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (13 years 12 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

I'm really not a professional photographer, I usually just write down the registrations. But here's a pic I just tried to upload, I couldn't resist to take this one. The photo was taken during boarding on the flight from HHN to BOH, back in March. As all my other attempted uploads, this shot will most likely be rejected, too. So enjoy it as long as it is in the upload queue: http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/Ryan738.JPG

User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1828 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (13 years 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

Cap'n Dan,

yes the journey Frankfurt - Hahn is scheduled in 1 hour and 45 minutes.
Exactly it follows this timetable:

Frankfurt downtown-Frankfurt Main Airport in 15 minutes, then FRA- Hahn (non-stop) in 1 hour and 30 minutes.
You could check the timetable on Ryanair web site.

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