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Visiting "the Old Berlin" On KLM  
User currently offlinephotophil From Germany, joined Apr 2011, 196 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7100 times:



About one month in advance I got the chance to fly to Berlin to visit a project partner fort two days. We (my boss and me) looked into possible dates and settled on the 19th and 20th of January – a Thursday and a Friday. As I was in charge of organizing the tour (Yay!!!) I started looking in possible connections from Sweden to Berlin (TXL or SXF). There are a lot of flights from ARN, but these were either very early in the morning (so we would have no possibility to reach the airport in time) or too late so we would miss our appointment or already very expensive … so nothing out of ARN for us. So I started looking out of our hometown airport LPI. Here you can always fly KL via AMS but that is quite a detour (and maybe not the most interesting route and equipment for an aviation enthusiast like me).

But we also have that flight to CPH operated by NextJet’s Saab 340B. So I constructed a connection via CPH and then to TXL using SK. I mailed this connection to our travel agency which we have to use for our business travel orders. But they had not been able to book it … actually there was a short connection time of only 40 minutes at CPH which was not accepted by the booking system. CPH says that a minimum of 40 minutes is needed for a connection from domestic (Sweden counts as domestic) to intra-Schengen. I still don’t get it because we had those 40 minutes … but if you take the examples on CPH’s webpage you actually need to book minimum 45 minute connections to be ABOVE the 40 minute limit … grmpf

Maybe also a mistake in the booking system blocked out this possibility as NextJet had moved the flight from Terminal 2 to Terminal 3 (where also the TXL would operate) some month before. But the Amadeus booking system still showed Terminal 2. Maybe it would have been allowed to be booked if they would have had the right Terminal. I contacted NextJet afterwards and they promised to correct it … but too late for my booking … maybe next time then.

So back to KLM … it’s a detour and needs about two hours more but now it was the best solution … until we saw the prices. The Friday evening flight back home was … well … incredibly expensive. So we decided to add another night in Berlin and go back on Saturday morning. Even when considering the about 100€ for two single rooms during the extra night we still saved 500€ (!!!!) that way. The Saturday return was 300€ less per Person than the Friday evening … it seems everyone wants to leave Berlin on Fridays.

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSTXLmap.gif

In the end we had our tickets for a nice LPI-AMS-TXL route on Thursday morning and the same back on Saturday around lunchtime. Flights were scheduled to be operated by Embraer E190 for the LPI-AMS segments and by B737-700 for the AMS-TXL segments. Some weeks after the -700 were changed for the larger -800. Not very good for me … I had already logged the -800 whereas the -700 would have been a new subtype for me. At least I would get to use TXL (which is new to me) before it will be closed in June in favor of the new Berlin airport BER.

My boss picked me up early in the morning on his way to the airport where we arrived well in time. I had already done OLCI the day before and had secured a seat in the Europe Select section (even despite flying just plain economy) to have the extra bit of legroom. Security was no problem at all and there on the apron was our Brazilian lady for today.



Hmmm … what could that ladder be for leaning on the wing?



When the crew arrived …



… one of the pilots climbed that ladder to check for ice on the wings.



Meanwhile … before boarding started … I found out that LPI actually has a piano in the waiting area beside the gates.



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19th Jan 2012
KLM, KL1178
LPI-AMS
0600-0800
Embraer E190
PH-EZF
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Soon boarding began and I settled down in my seat 7A with plenty of legroom here in the forward part of the cabin … normally sold as Europe Select (kind of business for short haul on KLM). The flight was … I would guess … about 95% full … quite a good load.



It seems that the pilot had found enough ice on the wings so he announced that the plane would need deicing before we could leave. Shortly thereafter a truck arrived and both wings and the tail were sprayed.



We taxied to the other end of the runway … turned around into the north-westerly direction … and … I experienced something special. It seems that the runway at LPI is somehow quite short for this plane so the pilots increased the power of the engines BEFORE releasing the breaks. It was literally like the “kick in the ass” when they released the breaks and our plane made a jump forwards … very impressive.



I live somewhere there above the engine nacelle.



During our turn south in direction to Amsterdam I had beautiful view on Linköping at night (well – early morning)

Not so much to be seen as the whole flight was taking place in the dark. We got two drinks and a sandwich (which I skipped) and a cookie close to arrival.



Approaching AMS across some harbor area

… aaaaand touchdown



We taxied past this all white Martinair-Cargo B747 to our apron position where we were picked up by a bus.



We got our self some extra breakfast and the proceeded to our next gate for the flight to Berlin Tegel which would leave quite from the end of pier D – which is a surprisingly long walk for AMS. There were already quite a lot of people waiting.



PH-BXV … a B737-800 … will operate our flight to Berlin today



Hello Robin – nice to meet you  

Here the funny part of the boarding began. They had the announcements for that flight on recordings … but it seems the playback had some problems. It is difficult to get it down written but you can maybe image like this:
“D-d-d-ear passengers. We wou-ou-ou-ould like to welcome-me-me-me our business-ss-ss-ss as well as our Flying Bl-bl-bl-blue Elite and Elite Plu-lu-lu-lus members ….” Somehow the playback got stuck every second or so. Most people looked up … looked at the others … and started smiling  

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19th Jan 2012
KLM, KL1823
AMS-TXL
0955-1115
Boeing B737-800 (Winglets)
PH-BXV
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Soon we boarded the plane and I took my seat. This time it would be 23A … quite far in back in the standard economy section with a smaller but still sufficient legroom.



My seat neighbor asked the staff about the load and she said the flight was completely full. That is maybe also a reason why this flight had been upgraded from a -700 to a -800. As a nice surprise an IranAir Airbus taxied into its parking position directly beside us.



We took off in southerly direction so we had to make a left turn towards Berlin …



… and I got a decent view back to AMS



At least above the clouds there was some sun as our pilot announced not very good weather for Berlin.



We had the approach from the east … I had a seat on the left side … but due to the clouds and fog the views down on Berlin were quite limited.



My first … and most likely last … touchdown at Tegel Airport in Berlin.



We taxied down to gate A14 at the hexagonal shaped Terminal A.



A last shot of the cabin during disembarking …



… and a rather dry welcome to Germany



We had to wait quite long at the baggage belt as my suitcase was – of course – one of the last to arrive.



Actually the terminal looks quite nice … but not very roomy due to its thin circle design.



I convinced my Swedish colleague to go to ESS-Bahn for some lunch before we hop on the Bus. This has to be when visiting one of the Berlin Airports … and he really liked his Currywurst  

We even had a look onto our plane that was just made ready for its flight back to AMS.



We had some quite busy time with our project partner but on Friday afternoon we had enough spare to go downtown and have a look around the city.

National Gallery


Cathedral and TV-Tower


Brandenburger Tor


Reichstag (Parlament)


Potsdamer Platz


On Saturday morning we went back to Tegel airport to check in for our flights back home. I had already tried to do the online check-in the day before but the system only allowed me to check in for the TXL-AMS flight. The following AMS-LPI segment was somehow not accessible so I needed the guys at the desk. They printed out my boarding pass for the first segment (with the seat I had selected the day before) and the she commented that I was already checked in for the second part (again on the same seat 7A I had two days before). I have no idea where that came from as I was not even able to see anything about that flight online. But I did not complain about it (a window in the Europe Select part of the plane   ) and we could proceed.



We decided to try out the visitor terrace on the roof. You have to pay 2€ for access and the go through some small security checkpoint as the terrace is very open to the apron area. But the views from up there are great so I tried to catch some Berlin-style traffic.

Berlin – of course – needs Air Berlin



Berlin has a lot of Air Berlin



Did I mention that there were many planes from Air Berlin?  

OK … now back to the interesting stuff … of course there was not only Air Berlin but also some other carriers around.

Czech Airlines ATR in special Skyteam livery



I think it is one of the Netherland’s Government Jets (Fokker)



Contact Air Fokker 100



Austrian Airlines B738



Some SWISS for Jonas  

Some Brussels for Marc



Then our plane arrived on its flight from AMS so it was my time to go back down. My boss had already left earlier … he wanted to go back to the ESS-Bahn to get another Currywurst  

So I went back along the ring to the stairs …



… and took some photo for our FlyingFinn (Finncomm Airlines – should now operate as FlyBe Nordic)



Our plane was not at the gate but it had got an apron parking position beside … what else … an Air Berlin.



A bit strange as the gate A14 was empty (but would be filled by an AirFrance not much later)



Well … we got on to our bus and were carried out to the plane to board via some covered stairs.



Just some simple engine close up … It was a good chance and I wanted to do it … that’s why  

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21st Jan 2012
KLM, KL1824
TXL-AMS
1205-1335
Boeing B737-800 (Winglets)
PH-BXY
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As I had selected a seat up in the front of the cabin (06A) I was able to enjoy the large legroom of the Europe Select cabin.

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSTXL540.jpg

I was even able to fully stretch my legs without any problems … very nice



There was an announcement that also this flight is fully booked and we need to somehow arrange ourself with the luggage. Another bus arrived and unloaded the next bunch of passengers.



As the curtains were still open we were able to see that the few real Europe Select passengers were offered with newspapers. One guy in row 4 (the first after the divider) asked if he could also have a newspaper but the stewardess declined as this service is only offered to the Europe Select. He really started to argue with the staff about getting a newspaper but they were quite strict about it (but stayed friendly all the time). In the end he begged to one of the passengers to hand him down one of the newspapers. Not really a nice move I would say …

Bye bye Berlin



Again some nice weather … but only above the clouds



Service was a selection of drinks and some snacks for everyone (I got myself some nacho chips).

Can someone please tell me why a plane without any entertainment system needs an electronics box under the seats ???????



We approached Amsterdam from the north passing over some small harbor



Final approach into AMS … seconds before touchdown and crossing the path of another RWY



I asked for … and was granted … a visit in the cockpit. There I had some quite short (as I had to get the next flight) but very nice talk with one of the pilots about the differences of Airbus and Boeing (as I had been flying an Airbus Simulator some weeks before – see my last report). Thanks for that  

Our bird parked on one of the C-gates.



I just had a couple of minutes before our next flight would begin boarding but I was still able to get this little beauty – I am already booked for a flight on that type (Do328-100) for march.



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21st Jan 2012
KLM, KL1179
AMS-LPI
1435-1620
Embraer E190
PH-EZA
=======================================================

This time the flight to LPI would leave from one of the positions close to the pier (a first for me on that flight … so far we always got a bus).



Boarding the next E-Jet



OK … I could maybe skip that photo … I had been on the very same seat (07A) two days before … just on a different registration.



At least Martinair Cargo seems still to be active after they cancelled passenger operations



We took off in southerly direction and had to make a sharp turn to the left to change for north-east to Sweden … that gave me a nice overview of AMS airport … just the outermost Polderbaan is missing on that photo.



I again skipped the offered sandwich but got myself two drinks – a coke and some orange juice – which nicely formed the colors of the German flag (black-red-gold) on my table. We were even offered a third drink later during the trip.



As we had been leaving 10 minutes early (boarding was very fast due to a very light load of only about 50%) and some tailwind during the ride the flight was very short and we soon arrived at LPI.



I somehow think that there is some second hand market for airport equipment somewhere …   … how did I got that idea?????



I asked … again … about a visit to the cockpit and … again … I was allowed to enter and had some chat about the comparison of an E-Jet and the B737 from the passengers view as the pilot seemed to be interested in that. Just for you: I opted for the E-Jet … I like the seats better as they are a bit wider than on the Boeing.



Good bye little Jet   have a safe trip home



Some Saab 340 model hanging above the baggage belt … well … the airport at Linköping is owned by Saab so they do some PR there  

I hope you enjoyed reading of my little trip to Berlin. In the end I can only say it was nice to get at least to one of the old Berlin airports before they will be closed in June. KLM delivered four really nice flights and I really enjoyed them. I had the luck to end up in Europe Select seating part on three of these flights so I can not at all complain about legroom on this trip. The crews were mostly friendly and delivered some really nice service sometimes even a bit about the typical with doing a third drink for everyone and such. The flight crews on the return flight were great and both allowed me to visit the flight deck and take photos … thanks guys  

PHILIP

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My old reports:

MUC-AMS-LPI And Back On KLM (by photophil Jul 11 2011 in Trip Reports)
NUE-ZRH-NCE And Back By Swiss (by photophil Jul 4 2011 in Trip Reports)
LPI-AMS-CDG On KLM And AirFrance (long) (by photophil Jul 4 2011 in Trip Reports)
CDG-AMS-LPI On AirFrance And KLM (by photophil Jul 5 2011 in Trip Reports)
Tatl On KL And DL - Part 1 - LPI-AMS-JFK (by photophil Sep 24 2011 in Trip Reports)
Tatl On KL And DL - Part 2 - JFK-CLE-MSP (by photophil Sep 25 2011 in Trip Reports)
Tatl On KL And DL - Part 3 - MSP-AMS-LPI (by photophil Sep 25 2011 in Trip Reports)
Two T-Tails Across The Baltic Sea - ARN-HEL-ARN (by photophil Sep 24 2011 in Trip Reports)
The Non-Trip-Trip-Report ... MUC Behind The Scenes (by photophil Dec 14 2011 in Trip Reports)
SK MD-82 Between CPH And MUC And A Jump To Kai Tak (by photophil Jan 9 2012 in Trip Reports)


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User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7026 times:

Hi Philip!

Nice tripreport once again!
Nice that you too got to experience TXL before it's too late. The viewing terrace and S-bahn is for sure two gems.

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
I had already logged the -800 whereas the -700 would have been a new subtype for me

Yeah, the -700 is comparably rare here in Europe, only logged it myself once, and that was recently.

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
The flight was … I would guess … about 95% full … quite a good load.

Wow, I can understand why KL upgauged this route from the F70 to the E90.

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
During our turn south in direction to Amsterdam I had beautiful view on Linköping at night (well – early morning)

Some really nice shots in the dark there.

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
Czech Airlines ATR in special Skyteam livery

Looking cute!

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
I just had a couple of minutes before our next flight would begin boarding but I was still able to get this little beauty – I am already booked for a flight on that type (Do328-100) for march.

Another cute bird, would love to fly one. I kind of like the SkyWork livery too.

Martin


User currently offlinesignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 2992 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6921 times:

Nice report Philip, thanks!

There are a few KL reports gong round at the moment, which is nice as KL is usually my preferred airline, 2nd only in my log to FR!

I've still yet to bag one of their Embraers, perhaps the usual F70 will be subbed for one soon on my local route.

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
PH-BXV … a B737-800 … will operate our flight to Berlin today
Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
Hello Robin – nice to meet you

now I *have* to fly that frame!  

Good to see your boss enjoying the Ess-bahn Currywurst!

Thanks again for the report!

signol



Flights booked: none :(
User currently offline767747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1911 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6742 times:
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Good report!

I like your views of the flights with KLM. I've been to Berlin, and your photos brought back many memories! We had a wonderful time visiting the city.

I love the 737-800 in the KLM livery - looks very striking; especially those wing-lets!

Thanks for sharing,

Matthew (767747)


User currently offlineakhmad From Netherlands, joined Sep 2005, 2438 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days ago) and read 6378 times:

Hi Phil,

Thank you for this wonderful insight review of Berlin including your city sightseeing part and ESS-Bahn. I was in two minds whether I should travel through SXF or TXL next June. Your report makes my decision-making easier.  


Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
I found out that LPI actually has a piano in the waiting area beside the gates.

Can anyone just sit and play the piano?

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
It seems that the runway at LPI is somehow quite short for this plane

Not really. 2,130 meters compared to E-jet heaven LCY with its 1,508.

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
so the pilots increased the power of the engines BEFORE releasing the breaks. It was literally like the “kick in the ass” when they released the breaks and our plane made a jump forwards

What a thrilling takeoff experience.

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
but it seems the playback had some problems.

Some humors beforehand can be cheering. 


Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
I think it is one of the Netherland’s Government Jets (Fokker)

Correct.

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
In the end he begged to one of the passengers to hand him down one of the newspapers. Not really a nice move I would say …

I would have been embarrassed.

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
over some small harbor

Of a place called Huizen.

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
one of the pilots

A good looking chap.

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
I like the seats better as they are a bit wider than on the Boeing

I can only agree with you.


Thanks again.

Best wishes,
Suryo



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User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4253 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days ago) and read 6329 times:

Hi Phil.

nice report on KLM. Good to score the Embraer. I missed it (again!) yesterday, subbed by a Fokker 100 this time. Well, nothing really to complain, the Embraer will be around for some time.

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
The Friday evening flight back home was … well … incredibly expensive. So we decided to add another night in Berlin and go back on Saturday morning. Even when considering the about 100€ for two single rooms during the extra night we still saved 500€ (!!!!) that way. The Saturday return was 300€ less per Person than the Friday evening … it seems everyone wants to leave Berlin on Fridays.

Does your boss also pay the salary for the extra time spend with him on 'business trip'?

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
Hmmm … what could that ladder be for leaning on the wing?

Checking for ice contamination on the wings. But you found out yourself already  
Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
It seems that the runway at LPI is somehow quite short for this plane so the pilots increased the power of the engines BEFORE releasing the breaks. It was literally like the “kick in the ass” when they released the breaks and our plane made a jump forwards … very impressiv

LCY-style takeoff it seems, but as Suryo already stated, there is definitely no need to do so.

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
My seat neighbor asked the staff about the load and she said the flight was completely full. That is maybe also a reason why this flight had been upgraded from a -700 to a -800.

Here the flexibility of KLM comes again. The diverse 737 fleet makes them flexible. Never count on receiving the 737-type shown upon booking. I have had so many occassions myself; from 733 to 738 v.v., 73W becomes 739 etc. That's one of the reasons that KLM is doing quite good themselves.

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
I think it is one of the Netherland’s Government Jets

Our one and only one. We also have a Gulfstream but in plain colours.

btw, row 7 on the Embraer is not 'standard Europe select' imho. Plus, afaik all rows on the Embraer have similar seatpitch, can you confirm? On the 737's all rows up to the emergency exit have more seatpitch indeed, but that is similar to many other airlines.

Good pics, but I miss a cabin-view and the catering but get so many legroom haha  

Eric



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineroberts87 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2011, 959 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6174 times:

Thanks for posting!
It seems KL delivered their usual product.
And great that you had the chance to spend some free time in Berlin, after work!

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
The Saturday return was 300€ less per Person than the Friday evening … it seems everyone wants to leave Berlin on Fridays.

Well, I wouldn't mind spending a weekend in Berlin  
Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
Meanwhile … before boarding started … I found out that LPI actually has a piano in the waiting area beside the gates

That's nice. Can everyone just play it?

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
Soon boarding began and I settled down in my seat 7A with plenty of legroom here in the forward part of the cabin … normally sold as Europe Select (kind of business for short haul on KLM). The flight was … I would guess … about 95% full … quite a good load.

Nowadays they call it Europe Business Class, as they have improved the product by starting to block the middle seats in 737's and offering an enhanced meal service.

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
I think it is one of the Netherland’s Government Jets (Fokker)

It is! There was a big fuss about that flight to Berlin this weekend. One of our Secretaries of State brought his girlfriend along in the Government Jet without asking permission. Or something. Yes we do like to make fuss about things in Holland.

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 1):

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
I had already logged the -800 whereas the -700 would have been a new subtype for me

Yeah, the -700 is comparably rare here in Europe, only logged it myself once, and that was recently.

Unless you live in the Netherlands. It's my most logged version of the 737, a whole bunch of KL and HV 737-700's.


User currently offline717Flyer From Finland, joined Jun 2011, 303 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6123 times:

Hi Phil,

Thanks for a nice report! It seems like KLM is a reliable carrier offering quite a good product.

Shame you did not manage to catch the Nextjet/SAS combo you had planned. So who paid for the flights and the costs for the extra time in Berlin? After all it is a really nice city and I wouldn't mind spending some extra time there.

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
Meanwhile … before boarding started … I found out that LPI actually has a piano in the waiting area beside the gates

...so that smooth tunes can be played when a flight is boarding?

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
We got two drinks and a sandwich (which I skipped) and a cookie close to arrival.

Come on, I'm hungry, why did you not document them? The duties of being a trip reporter.. 
Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
she commented that I was already checked in for the second part (again on the same seat 7A I had two days before). I have no idea where that came from as I was not even able to see anything about that flight online

That could be called proactive service by KLM! Perhaps they can start offering an automated check in just as Southwest Airlines has their "EarlyBird Check-in".

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
… and took some photo for our FlyingFinn (Finncomm Airlines – should now operate as FlyBe Nordic)

Interesting, Finnair has been outsourcing quite a number of routes to Flybe, apparently GVA and TXL are operated by Flybe only. Now it is rumoured that Finnair will temporarily lease some of its own Embraers to Estonian Air. But we will see.

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
One guy in row 4 (the first after the divider) asked if he could also have a newspaper but the stewardess declined as this service is only offered to the Europe Select. He really started to argue with the staff about getting a newspaper but they were quite strict about it (but stayed friendly all the time). In the end he begged to one of the passengers to hand him down one of the newspapers. Not really a nice move I would say …

That is not very nice behaviour of the passengers, on the other hand I do not think it would have cost KLM very much extra to give the passenger a newspaper. But sure, rules are rules.

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
I just had a couple of minutes before our next flight would begin boarding but I was still able to get this little beauty – I am already booked for a flight on that type (Do328-100) for march.

Wow, Skywork has got (and will apparently also in the future get) a lot of attention, mainly thanks to Airliners.net.

Regards,
717Flyer


User currently offlinereifel From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 1326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5855 times:

Thanks for sharing, indeed flying to TXL before the closure is something that needs to be done.

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
CPH says that a minimum of 40 minutes is needed for a connection from domestic (Sweden counts as domestic) to intra-Schengen. I still don’t get it because we had those 40 minutes … but if you take the examples on CPH’s webpage you actually need to book minimum 45 minute connections to be ABOVE the 40 minute limit … grmpf

I never really understood why airports are posting minimum connecting times on their websites. It's actually the airline which would say which MCT is fine for them and load in the GDS. And obviously for this particular flight combination they loaded a higher MCT. The MCT will be different from a lot of facts: Carriers, Terminals, Destinations, Origins, even aircraft types etc. Some airlines even give specific flight numbers a lower or higher MCT. There is not "ONE" MCT. There could be a different MCT for any combination of two flights. Each combination could result in another MCT.
The result are confused people, just like you. I think airport websites should delete this kind of informations from their website.


User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From France, joined Sep 2003, 5131 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5796 times:

Hey, P.,

good to follow that interesting KL intra european story.
Nice pictures and really detailed.
Sounds you had a good and also succesfull time on KL/KLC and in Berlin.
Good to see you on Skywork in March.

Greetings,
Markus(FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlineFlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1706 posts, RR: 31
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5782 times:

Hi Phil,

You certainly keep up your fast pace with your reports - which of course is good! Very nice to read your account on a visit to Berlin and especially with KLM. Berlin is pretty much my favorite city in Europe so always nice to see other people's accounts on it, even though this time you didn't really get to play a tourist too much. I'm flying through TXL in a week's time and again looking forward to it even though I'm not really going to leave the airport during that trip.

As for KLM - very appropriate as I'm going for a proper weekend visit in the beginning of March and flying TXL-AMS-HEL as my return flight, so good to have a preview of their current product. The last time I flew them was six years ago so things have changed somewhat. Plus for the BER opening weekend I'm actually flying the return segments from those flights, including the very same flight that took you to TXL.

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
I convinced my Swedish colleague to go to ESS-Bahn for some lunch before we hop on the Bus. This has to be when visiting one of the Berlin Airports … and he really liked his Currywurst

Way to go! Currywurst rocks, and that place is an excellent place to savor one.

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
Then our plane arrived on its flight from AMS so it was my time to go back down. My boss had already left earlier … he wanted to go back to the ESS-Bahn to get another Currywurst

Well done, you have manged to create another convert! Those things really are addictive!

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):

… and took some photo for our FlyingFinn (Finncomm Airlines – should now operate as FlyBe Nordic)

Thanks. It indeed looks like TXL has been downgraded to a BE E170 from the AY A319/E190 they used to send (maybe connected to the fact that RIX is now an ATR which has freed some capacity).

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
I am already booked for a flight on that type (Do328-100) for march.

Here's hoping that your flights get sorted out despite the bad news about Cirrus.


User currently offlinephotoshooter From Belgium, joined Feb 2010, 454 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5689 times:
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Hey Philip

a really nice TR you've got there!
I just adore KL's 738s  Glad to see your boss eating so much curryworsten.
I tried it back in November, it was good but I wouldn't eat two of them in a row  

Thanks for your lovely TR and keep 'em coming!

Niek/



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User currently offlineMSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2474 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5453 times:

Hi Philip

Nice report, thanks for posting. Glad you made it to TXL before it's history. KL seemed to have served you good on your trip. Did they serve anything on AMS-TXL-AMS run?

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
Some Brussels for Marc

Thanks  


Greetings
Marc



Next trip report: Well worn A330s and Hassle free MUC transfer
User currently offlinephotophil From Germany, joined Apr 2011, 196 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5374 times:

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 1):
Yeah, the -700 is comparably rare here in Europe, only logged it myself once, and that was recently.

still hope to get one ... so far KLM shows one for another flight booked in May

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 1):
Wow, I can understand why KL upgauged this route from the F70 to the E90.

They seem to do good business on this route ... LPI had a growth of +12% in passengers last year

Quoting 767747 (Reply 3):
I like your views of the flights with KLM. I've been to Berlin, and your photos brought back many memories! We had a wonderful time visiting the city.

I think it's always worth a visit.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 4):
Can anyone just sit and play the piano?

I have never seen one and have not tried it myself

Quoting akhmad (Reply 4):
Not really. 2,130 meters compared to E-jet heaven LCY with its 1,508.

as it is also used for the test flights of all SAAB planes it should be quite long (but I didn't had the numbers)

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 5):
Does your boss also pay the salary for the extra time spend with him on 'business trip'?

well ... not directly ... but maybe I get some time off another day

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 5):
btw, row 7 on the Embraer is not 'standard Europe select' imho. Plus, afaik all rows on the Embraer have similar seatpitch, can you confirm? On the 737's all rows up to the emergency exit have more seatpitch indeed, but that is similar to many other airlines.

according to seatguru the front (until row 9) has a bit (1 inch) more legroom than the back

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 5):
Good pics, but I miss a cabin-view and the catering but get so many legroom haha

sorry, next time more food photos for you  
Quoting roberts87 (Reply 6):
That's nice. Can everyone just play it?

no idea ...

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 6):
It is! There was a big fuss about that flight to Berlin this weekend. One of our Secretaries of State brought his girlfriend along in the Government Jet without asking permission. Or something. Yes we do like to make fuss about things in Holland.

OK ... that seems to be exactly the flight I have seen ... the photo was taken yesterday (saturday)

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 7):
Come on, I'm hungry, why did you not document them? The duties of being a trip reporter..

soooooorrry ... I will do better next time  
Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 7):
That is not very nice behaviour of the passengers, on the other hand I do not think it would have cost KLM very much extra to give the passenger a newspaper. But sure, rules are rules.

her reason was, that she then would have to supply all other 160 economy passengers too ... so why give him something extra ... and I can understand her

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 9):
Good to see you on Skywork in March.

I am booked on a Cirrus Do328 ... just hope they will restart their service

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 10):
I'm flying through TXL in a week's time and again looking forward to it even though I'm not really going to leave the airport during that trip.

but maybe enough time to catch a Currywurst?  
Quoting photoshooter (Reply 11):
I tried it back in November, it was good but I wouldn't eat two of them in a row

well, he had two days between them ... one at arrival and one at departure

Thanks for all the comments so far ... 12 replys in one day ... great  

PHILIP



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User currently offlinesultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1650 posts, RR: 30
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5153 times:
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Yo Phil!,

You guys tell me I’m fast but you’re as well. You flew only a couple of days ago and your report is already online. It’s good stuff, nice photos and story. I’ve never been to TXL either, my first and last time will most probably be in June going to the BER meet.

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
but if you take the examples on CPH’s webpage you actually need to book minimum 45 minute connections to be ABOVE the 40 minute limit

So if that’s how they do it they should just state 45’ iso 40’, easy as that.

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
The Saturday return was 300€ less per Person than the Friday evening … it seems everyone wants to leave Berlin on Fridays.

Quite understandable: Fri evening is more expensive than Sat morning. Same as Sun evening and Mon morning  

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
he flight was … I would guess … about 95% full … quite a good load.

Good business for KLM in that small airport of LPI.

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
proceeded to our next gate for the flight to Berlin Tegel which would leave quite from the end of pier D

I though the D-pier was only for non-Schengen flights or am I missing something here?

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
Czech Airlines ATR in special Skyteam livery

Wow, cool to see a smaal ATR with a special scheme, that’s quite rare.

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
of the German flag (black-red-gold) on my table

Or the Belgian flag if you change the Coke and OJ  

Sultanils



In thrust we trust.
User currently offlinephotophil From Germany, joined Apr 2011, 196 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5121 times:

Quoting sultanils (Reply 14):
You flew only a couple of days ago and your report is already online.

Actually it was something like 5 hours between the last touch-down and putting it online ... but I will be quite busy this week so it was the best way to get it done soon ...

Quoting sultanils (Reply 14):
I though the D-pier was only for non-Schengen flights or am I missing something here?

Parts of pier D have two levels ... non-Schengen on the "ground floor" and Schengen upstairs ... which then connect back to the same jetbridges

Quoting sultanils (Reply 14):
Wow, cool to see a small ATR with a special scheme, that’s quite rare.

I was also quite surprised to see a Skyteam livery on that one

PHILIP



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