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Two Eurohops On KL: AMS-SVG & AMS-EDI (737+F70)  
User currently offlineroberts87 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2011, 987 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 6 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6110 times:

||| Two Eurohops on KLM to Stavanger and Edinburgh |||

Hello, and welcome to my 3rd trip report.

For me it’s not always necessarily about the flying itself, hopping aboard a rare aircraft type, logging new airports, or trying out new exotic airlines. Sometimes flying is just an excuse to get away for the weekend or to visit a new or interesting destination, in the case of this trip report the Norwegian city of Stavanger and the Scottish capital Edinburgh. Both cities were visited in separate trips, but since those trips were taking almost in consecutive weekends, and both only consisted of a simple single-leg round trip on KLM from my hometown airport Amsterdam Schiphol, I decided to combine them in to one trip report. Firstly the trip to Stavanger (SVG) both out- and inbound on a Boeing 737-800, and next the trip to Edinburgh, outbound on a Boeing 737-700, and inbound on a Fokker 70. Thanks in advance for reading, and stay tuned for my next trip report. That one will be about catching an exotic airline and a rare-ish aircraft; the LA A343 between MAD and FRA.

||| Part 1: Stavanger |||

Norway had been on my to-visit list for quite a while, and when KLM’s bi-annual “World Deal Weeks” sale included several Norwegian cities I took that as an excellent opportunity to scrap Norway of that list. I like going off the beaten path every now and then, and decided not to go to the more popular destinations such as Oslo or Bergen, both to visit the city of Stavanger, mostly known for the extensive oil industry. Stavanger is Norway’s third largest city and has – besides the aforementioned oil industry – also a small historic center, with the famous wooden houses and winding streets that one associates with Norway and Scandinavia. Fares were available for around €160,- for a roundtrip, still on the expensive side, but a lot better than the usual €200,- + for flights to Norway. I booked the entire trip as a package deal on Expedia, which is also gave me a discount on the hotel.

Fast-forward to the day of the departure. I arrived at Schiphol well ahead of the departure time, around 13.00 hours. It had been a while since I arrived early at Schiphol. Living close to the airport, it’s easy to just arrive somewhere between around 1 hour and 30 minutes before departure and still have all the time in the world to check-in and proceed to security. But, with a late afternoon departure, I figured it be nice to arrive early for a change and do some strolling around at the airport.

KLM and their Skyteam friends are located in Departures Hall 2, which was quite busy when I arrived. Fortunately, I am a Flying Blue Silver / Skyteam Elite member, which allowed me to use the Business Class check-in counter, and thus avoiding the crowds. I headed towards the Business Class check in area, where two friendly agents checked my home printed boarding pass before I was allowed to proceed in. I there replaced my A4 boarding pass for a boarding pass from a machine, where I also checked the load. Not too many open seats left, only a few middle seats. I already selected seat 28A back home, so no need to worry about that. Boarding pass was printed, an no queue for the bag drop, so I was on towards security in no time.

The Economy Class check-in area in Departures Hall 2 on the left…
…and Business Class and Elite on the right


Security for Schengen departures is at a central common security checkpoint, opposed to the horrible security-at-the-gate concept that is in place at the non-Schengen gates. The queue for the checkpoint seemed rather busy for a random Saturday afternoon, so I was again happy that my Elite status allowed me to use the Priority Lane. And while I was queuing up in the small line for that Priority Lane I realized it wasn’t such a random Saturday afternoon after all. It was the first day of the ‘Krokusvakantie’, a holiday week in mid-February that all schools get the week off, and many families go on a holiday, either skiing or go somewhere sunny. That explains the crowds today.

The line wasn’t that long, and before I know it was my turn to put all my stuff on the conveyer belt, remove my shoes, my belt, well you all know the drill. A friendly female security agent today, who was laughing and joking around with all the passengers, so no complaints there.

After security I still had about 1 hour left before boarding would commence. Gate C12 would do the honors today. With still having that much time left, I decided to take a stroll to the D-gates. Part of the Schengen D-gates were refurbished in Spring 2011, and although I had been to AMS a few times after that I hadn’t been able to take a peek at it. The D gates at AMS can be used both as Schengen and as non-Schengen gates, since the pier to which the gates are connected has two levels. The lower level leads to the other non-Schengen gates, whilst the upper level leads to the other Schengen gates. The first part of the Schengen area had been refurbished into what Schiphol I believe calls an Airport Park. Lot of greens, some trees and flowers, quite a few comfortable seating area’s and the sounds of birds whistling trough the speakers. It sure seemed like a comfortable place to relax if you have a couple of hours to spare during your layover. There’s even an outside area, not to smoke or anything, but to get some fresh air.

A bit blurry I’m afraid, but the escalators lead towards the upper level for the Schengen departures, and the corridor to the right leads to passport control to continue to the non-Schengen area of Schiphol
Central area of the D gates, in the ‘Airport Park’ style. Not pictured is the comfortable and extensive seating area to the right
Outside area of the Airport Park. No smoking please
The outside area also offers a good view of the apron between the D and E gates. Lots of Delta equipment, and a KL 332 pushing back


Still time enough to spare, so I continued my stroll over the D pier. This pier basically splits in two separate piers halfway, and one of this piers has a great place to sit and relax at the end of the pier.

Looking back at the main terminal building, the 737 in the back is the same 737 that can be seen in the front at the picture of the outdoor area of the airport park. The Fokker on the right is parked at the famous observation deck nowadays
Look of the E pier, with two KLM heavy’s and a China Airlines 747
Here you can see how the D-gates are divided into two separate piers halfway. The other smaller pier is non-Schengen only.
My destination on this stroll. At the very end are some comfortable recliner seats that offer a great view of one of the main runways. And since it’s in the very back of the airport, there’s hardly ever someone there. Two KL Fokkers pictured distance, while I am up close and personal with an OA Airbus and a KL 737
A look back towards the central building of the Schengen area. Again note the Fokker on the observation deck


After hanging out there for a little while, it was time to start heading towards the C-gates, where my flight would depart from. The C-gates are my least favorite are of Schiphol. Not too well lit, a bit crowded with many gates close together and no good views. Boarding time is printed at the boarding passes as 40 minutes before departure for all European KLM flights, but in practice boarding usually starts 30 minutes before departure. This was the case today as well. Priority boarding was enforced today, so soon myself and the other Elite passengers made their way to the airplane. My first flight of 2012 was about to begin.

Tail of my aircraft at the gate. Some construction was going on at the gates on my right


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Saturday, February 18th 2012
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines Flight KL1203
Amsterdam Schiphol Airport (AMS) – Stavanger Sola Airport (ZRH)
Boeing 737-800
Seat 28F


153rd overall flight
18th flight on KLM
5th flight on a Boeing 737-800 (30th flight on an Boeing 737)
3rd flight on a KLM Boeing 737-800 (9th flight on a KLM Boeing 737)
47th visit to AMS (23rd take-off from AMS) and 1st visit to SVG (1st landing at SVG)

Departure Time (Scheduled/Actual): 14.55 / 14.58
Arrival Time (Scheduled/Actual): 16.30 / 16.23
Block time (Scheduled / Actual): 1.35 / 1.25
Flight duration: 1 hour, 8 minutes
Mileage: 456 nm

Being one of the first on board when you’re seated in the back is always convenient. No waiting in line when other passengers are stuffing their rollaboards in the overhead bins and all that. So I was quickly seated in seat number 28F on the right side of the plane. Leg room was quite sufficient for this flight. Nothing spectacular, but nothing cramped either. The plane filled up pretty quickly, and I estimated a load of around 95% - of which 5 rows of Business class up front. Only a few middle seats in the back remained empty, unfortunately not the seat next to me. I heard many Scandinavian-like languages, so I’m guessing there were many transfer pax onboard.

When everyone was settling in the captain came on the PA (in both Dutch and English) to welcome us on board and announcing we would be ready to depart in about 5 minutes and they were just awaiting the usual final paperwork and all that. Flight time was announced as 1 hour and 5 minutes, with an early arrival in Stavanger. Departure would be to the southwest (that would be runway 24 or the ‘Kaagbaan’, for those of you that are familiar with AMS) and we would make a sharp 180 degree turn to the east and then head further up north towards Stavanger. This surprised me, as I had watched a few flights between AMS and SVG on Flightradar, and all of them turned west, directly to the North Sea and then head up north.

Anyway, a few minutes after the purser introduced herself, welcoming us all aboard in both Dutch and English. The usual bla bla followed and after the English announcement she returned in Dutch telling us that the safety demonstration would only be done in English today due to the low number of Dutch speaking passengers on board. I had never heard that before!

During the safety demonstration pushback commenced and it took us only a small time to reach the runway, as runway 24 is located pretty close to the C gates. A company Embraer 190 and a Speedbird A320 took off before us, as well as a Helvetic Air Fokker 100. I would assume that one was subbing for a Swiss flight? During the taxi I also noticed a United/Continental 777 at the KLM Maintenance area, I wonder what that was doing there?

Luggage being loaded on the flight, I could spot my bag on the left. Unfortunately the windows was a bit blurry, so the inflight pictures don’t have a terrific quality.
Taxing towards the runway. Taking off ahead of us the Helvetic F100
Take-off! Heading out past one of the two cargo aprons at AMS, visible are SQ, LA and MU
Flying over the town of Hoofddorp


Shortly after take-off we made our promised turn to the east, and then further to the North. Not much to see though, as it was mostly overcast. So not much to see today, except for a crisp blue sky and a thick cloud layer below us for most of the flight time. After a little while the crew sprang into action to begin the on board service, which was standard KLM-service for these intra-European flights: three FA’s working the economy class section, two working their way up to the back from the front, and one FA starting in the back. As I was seated in the back, the single (male) FA served me – the usual stuff on KLM flights less than 100 minutes: savory or sweet. Savory today was a pack of pretzels, whilst the sweet was a granola bar, for which I opted. I chose a cup of coffee next to it, no extra drink (such as a cup of water or juice) was offered, which had been the case on my two previous KLM flights (CDG-AMS and AMS-ZRH). I guess it must depend on the mood of the FA’s. Interesting note: the FA addressed me in Dutch even though it was announced earlier that most passengers were non-Dutch. I guess I must have looked like a Dutch man  A delicious treat and a delicious hot drink, selected for me


After about 45 minutes the weather below turned into partly overcast, and some of the North Sea was visible. We also began our descent around that time. The captain came on the PA once again to announce the remaining flight time (20 minutes), the direction in which we would be landing (to the south) and the weather forecast (about 3 degrees, with some strong rain and snow showers every now and then). Now I was excited that the landing would be to the south, as this would mean a downwind approach, and when I tracked flights into Stavanger on Flightradar I noticed that this would mean a great approach past the Norwegian coast. I was not disappointed.

First sight of Norway
The Norwegian coast, with Stavanger Airport partly visible in the middle
Making a 180 degree turn
A small town and harbor visible


Touchdown was perfect, with some heavy breaking action to vacate the runway halfway. Not much action at the airport this afternoon, with a WF Dash 100, two SK 737’s, a SK CRJ900 and – to my surprise – a Air Europa 738. Some kind of charter perhaps? It wasn’t listed on the departures or arrivals board. Unfortunately the window came pretty condensed at this point so I was not able to take some pictures.

After a short taxi we arrived at our (finger) gate, and the usual rush to exit the aircraft began. The other passengers and I made our way through the departures area – which reminded me of CPH, both in signage and the wooden floor – towards the arrivals hall. No connecting passengers I think, it seemed most if not all passengers ended their journey at Stavanger. At Stavanger I once experienced the ease of flying into smaller regional airports. The walk to the arrivals hall took no more than 2 minutes, and after about 5 minutes the first luggage appeared on the belt. It seems that priority baggage sometimes does work, as all priority tagged bags – including mine – appeared first.

It was now around 16.40, and the next airport bus towards Stavanger wouldn’t depart until 17.00, so I had some time to look around. In the departures hall check-in for the return flight to AMS (departure 17.25) was still under way, so I decided to inquire at what time check in would close the next day, as the airport bus the next day didn’t have a very convenient timetable: I could either arrive 2 hours before departure (which seemed way too early at a small airport), or 1 hour before departure (which could be cutting it close). The friendly – and cute, I must say – girl at check in informed me that check-in wouldn’t close until 30 minutes before departure, so arriving 1 hour ahead of departure time would not be a problem. Then I withdrew some Norwegian Krones from an ATM and made my way to the bus, for which I paid a pretty expensive fare, we are in expensive Norway after all (150 NOK).

My bird after arrival
Domestic arrivals hall, with some kind of artwork
Main arrivals hall, with some car (I forgot the brand) on display
Yes, it’s Stavanger, lufthavn Sola. The bus on the right is the airport bus towards downtown
Umbrella’s. I read somewhere that this part Norway has over 200 rainy days a year, so they could come in hand. I obviously don’t speak Norwegian, so anyone knows what it says? Free to use on the airport grounds or something?


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In Stavanger

The bus ride to downtown Stavanger only took about 20-25 minutes, and was a nice ride through the Norwegian countryside. The bus makes about 5 stops in the city, and I missed my stop, which meant I had to walk back a bit. And off course it starting raining while I was walking. And I don’t mean just a little bit of rain, but the kind of rain that gets you like pretty much soaked.

I checked in into my hotel, the Best Western Havly Hotel. Check in was quick and efficient, although it could have been a bit more inviting. I had to inquire about the wifi, breakfast and the direction to my room myself, and I find it to be a bit more welcoming if those kinds of things are told without asking.

After that, I made a small walking tour through Stavanger. The downtown area was actually smaller than I thought, but it was nice nonetheless. Quite a few modern building, big ships at their docks, but also a nice old town with those colorful wooden building you would expect in Norway.

Hotel room
Some impressions of Stavanger
And the bus that took me back to the airport the next morning


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Sunday, February 19th 2012
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines Flight KL1200
Stavanger Sola Airport (SVG) – Amsterdam Airport Schiphol (AMS)
Boeing 737-800
Seat 3A


154th overall flight
19th flight on KLM
6th flight on a Boeing 737-800 (31st flight on an Boeing 737)
4th flight on a KLM Boeing 737-800 (10th flight on a KLM Boeing 737)
2nd visit to SVG (1st take-off from SVG) and 48th visit to AMS (25th landing at AMS)

Departure Time (Scheduled/Actual): 12:00 / 11:57
Arrival Time (Scheduled/Actual): 13:30 / 13:25
Block time (Scheduled / Actual): 1.30 / 1.28
Flight duration: 1 hour, 3 minutes
Mileage: 456 nm

The bus ride to the airport took about 25 minutes again. The weather was a lot better today, partly cloudy with a nice blue sky and some sunshine. After arriving at the airport I made my way towards the departures hall and the check-in desks that were open for the KLM flight. And it seemed as most other passengers from the bus were also headed there.

I had already checked in online before, and even though I was checking in about 29 hours before departure most windows seats on the left side (the side I preferred for today’s flight) of the plane were already taken. Must be a good load today. I picked the only reaming seat on that side, 3A, although I normally prefer a seat in the back. I took a quick look at the check-in machines to see if another seats was available today, but no, only 2 seats in the entire plane remained open now. Two check-in desks were open for those travelling with checked luggage, one for economy and for business/elite. I joined the queue for the latter, as it was shorter, although it took quite a while to check the 5 bags of the family in front of me.

Departures hall


I then headed towards a money exchange office where I wanted to exchange my remaining Norwegian Krones into British pounds, for the next trip. A friend young fellow at the office told me that the administration fee was ridiculously high, and I would probably get a better rate if I exchanged the Krones in the UK. He then offered to change my smaller notes and coins into one big note, so I would have any troubles with getting the smaller currencies accepted. Great service!

Another friendly fellow at security. “Travelling to Amsterdam, young man?” (Again, do I look Dutch?). “Nothing to hide from me today?.” And I was trough security in a breeze, and I was directed into the international departures hall. Not all that busy, as the KLM flight was the only flight leaving from the international area around that time. Large windows gave a good view of the apron, where I watched a SK 737 and a WF Dash 100 being de-iced.

Boarding commenced about 30 minutes before departure, and a huge line queued up. I decided to wait until most people were on board, as Iw as enjoying the view outside. This also gave me the chance to see the BD flight land, which was – as I hoped – an Embraer Jungle Jet. I also noticed, that arrivals and departure were to the North today, so I guess the winds had changed since the day before. When most people were on board, I joined the queue and made my way towards the plane. When I passed the departures board of this gate, I realized I was boarding flight KL1200, that departed at 12.00 hours. How appropriate.

When I entered the plane most people were already seated or getting seated. It indeed seemed a near-100% load. Only 2 rows of business class today. Off course the other 5 seats in my row were also taken, by a Dutch women at the aisle and a Spanish (at least I think, he was reading El Pais) gentleman in the middle seat. While I took my seat, the BD bird parked at the gate next to us.

De-icing in progress on the SK 737. A WF bird is awaiting its turn
View of the spacious departures area. As I wrote earlier, it reminded me of CPH
Today’s flight
BD Jungle Jet next to us


No welcome from the cockpit today, but the flight time was announced by the purser as 1 hour and 15 minutes. Manual safety demo again, this time in both Dutch and English. A short taxi, and no de-icing. I guess the WF and SK birds that I saw being de-iced earlier probably had a longer turnaround in SVG then the 50 minutes the KLM flight had. The captain seemed eager to get home, as we made a powerful take off roll that seemed to commence on the taxiway already. A departure to the North would mean we would again be making a 180 degree turn, and a flight along the coastline. And, I was again not disappointed by the views.

Powerful take-off, with view of part of the airport
Same harbor and town as yesterday, but more snow visible as it had been snowing past night
Banking to the West
And heading North. Note the runways on the right
Snow covered grounds
And then nothing but water
Leg room shot taken on stand. The first few rows have extra legroom as they can be used as business class rows


On-board service was similar as the day before. With the same granola bar, the same coffee and again not a second drink that was offered. But it was all delivered with a smile, as usual on KLM. Most of the flight remained uneventful, and again after about an hour of flying word from the cockpit came. This time from the FO, who told us that we would shortly began our descent, which would be mostly over the North Sea, before we would making a 180 degree turn and land in Northerly direction on the middle runway. Now this surprised me, as this runway (36C, the Zwanenburgbaan) is hardly ever used for landings to the North. It would be a first for me, at least.

Shoreline approaching
Typical Dutch countryside, welcome home. The airport could be visible in the fair distance – not visible on picture
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Flying over the town of De Kaag


Now I would have sworn I had also had a picture of the actual landing, but it seems I deleted it by accident. Anyway, the landing was excellent, as I hardly noticed it. The taxi to the gate was pretty long, and I was seated on the wrong side of the airplane to actually see something of the airport. Arrival at the stand was about 10 minutes early, and we actually had to wait a few minutes for the gate to be ready. Being in the front meant I was able to leave the aircraft as one of the first, and I slowly walked towards the arrivals hall. Checked baggage usually takes around 20-30 minutes to be delivered here at AMS, so I had all the time in the world. And indeed, it took 25 minutes for the bags to be delivered. Only about 10 people were waiting at the belt, so I guess most other passengers were connecting. I gathered my bag and made my to the excellent (and affordable) bus network at Schiphol.

See you in two weeks KLM!


[Edited 2012-03-16 14:10:11]

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User currently offlineroberts87 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2011, 987 posts, RR: 0
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||| Part 2: Edinburgh |||

Edinburgh is one of my favorite cities in Europe that I’ve visited so far. The atmosphere, the feeling, the old city, the wonderful surroundings, it really got to me the first time I visited back in March 2009. Since then I had been there once more, a stay that was extended a little longer (4 days) due to the snow-misery that got Britain by surprise in the last week of November 2010. The big freeze, I believe the media called it. Anyway, going back to Edinburgh was on my to-do list for 2012, so when I received an email from KLM notifying me that EDI was one of their Superfly cities in February and March (€79 return trips ex-AMS) I immediately picked up my calendar to see what weekend I could get away. One weekend in particular suited my schedule, and the flights on that weekend were perfect: a nice afternoon arrival in Edinburgh, and a midday departure back to AMS. A nice bonus would be that the return flight would be operated by a Fokker 70. I think you can all understand that the flights were booked without hesitation.

Saturday, February March 3rd 2012
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines Flight KL1285
Amsterdam Schiphol Airport (AMS) – Edinburgh Airport (EDI)
Boeing 737-700
Seat 3A


155th overall flight
20th flight on KLM
12th flight on a Boeing 737-700 (32nd flight on an Boeing 737)
3rd flight on a KLM Boeing 737-700 (11th flight on a KLM Boeing 737)
49th visit to AMS (24th take-off from AMS) and 3rd visit to EDI (3rd landing at EDI)

Departure Time (Scheduled/Actual): 15.20 / 15.10
Arrival Time (Scheduled/Actual): 15.50 / 15.25
Block time (Scheduled / Actual): 1.30 / 1.15
Flight duration: 1 hour exact
Mileage: 415 nm

Unlike my previous visit to Schiphol two weeks earlier there were less crowds at the check-in area. Once again no queue at all for the Premium check-in area, where my bag was checked friendly and efficiently. The girl at check in had a badge saying she was a trainee, and she was closely monitored by a supervisor. She must have been a bit nervous or something, because our conversation started in Dutch, but after she checked my bag handed me back my boarding pass she did the entire “your gate is… boarding starts at… “ speech in English. I decided not to embarrass her by replying in Dutch, but just said thank you and made my way to the passport control.

Security for the non-Schengen destination at AMS is done at the gate, which means you only have to pass through passport control to enter the departures area. I believe this has something to do with the need to re-screen arriving passenger from outside the EU, and arriving passengers aren’t separated from departing passengers after arrival – they are immediately released into the departures area. As I arrived only about 1 hour and 15 minutes before departure I decided to immediately proceed towards the D-Pier. This time the non-Schengen area off course, the lower level of the Pier I described extensively in the report above. Now, there used be a very nice rest and viewing area at the end of the non-Schengen D-pier – similar to the one I mentioned above - as well, but this one is now behind a centralized security checkpoint at the end of the D-Piers, where – as a trial – there is now a centralized checkpoint for 5 or 6 gates.

New Starbucks in the D Pier
Long walkway in the D Pier. At the end is the new centralized security checkpoint
Not to many flights leaving from gates D16 trough D31 this afternoon
Queue before gate D10, where my flight would leave from
The 737-700 that would be operating today’s flight. Picture taken post-security


The security at the gate concept is not really standardized at AMS. Some gates have a separate line for Premium passengers, some gates have a sign that welcomes Premium pax to the front of the line, some gates have no Premium facilities at all. The latter was the case at gate D10, and as you can see in the picture above there was a quite a queue already. I decided to just wait in a seating area nearby until the line was less long. We’re all getting on the same plane after all.

After a little while I went through security and at the point boarding had already begun. I had picked an A-seat for this flight, as I noticed on Flightradar that landings were to the east, and an A seat would give splendid views over the city and the Firth of Forth. I missed this view on my two previous visits, I was seated on a F-seat the first time, and landings were to the West on the second occasion. Similar to my return flight from Stavanger, a lot of A-seats were already taken during OLCI, so I settled for 3A again.

Only 1,5 row of Business Class in this flight today (there are no seats 1A-C on this plane), so I was seated immediately after the C Class cabin. A healthy load today, with many seats taken, including the two next to me. However, seats D and E remained empty, and my neighbor moved to seat 3D after the ‘boarding is now complete’ call. And after that, the gentleman in seat 3C changed to somewhere in the back as well, so suddenly I had three seats to myself. The female captain welcomed us all aboard, and announced a flight time of a little over an hour. Although she spoke fluently in Dutch and English, she did have a heavy German accent. Pushbacks was almost 15 minutes early, and the departure was once again from runway 24, which means a short taxi. During taxi the safety demo was shown on the overhead LCD-screens. Currently only the 737-700’s have these overhead screens. With only a company Embraer 190 ahead of us, we were in the air almost 10 minutes ahead of the scheduled departure time. Good job KLM!

Again increased legroom. Space enough for my bag and an IFE-box.
Business Class section. Three seats in row 1, the usual six in row 2.
Pushing back. Bigger brother next to us.
Taking off in cloudy weather


The flight itself passed by pretty quickly. Halfway above the North Sea some of the clouds passed away, offering some great views of the British coastline. Service was exactly the same as the earlier flights, a granola bar and a coffee. My request for a glass of water (due to the security at the gate it’s impossible to bring along a bottle of water) was granted with a bright smile.

After about 40 minutes of flying the first officer came on the PA to announce that we would shortly begin our descent, which meant that we would be arriving “well ahead of schedule”. Landing was – as expected and to my delight - towards the east, and weather in Edinburgh was “typically Scottish”: cloudy, raining with heavy winds, which could mean that the last 10 minutes of our flight could be pretty bumpy. In the end not that many bumps, and the view I had hoped for was indeed terrific. Landing on Scottish soil was on 15.25 local time, about 30 minutes early. In fact, the ground staff wasn’t even expecting us, so when we arrived at the gate the captain announced that we would be waiting for a few minutes for someone to operate the jetbridge.

Brilliant view of the British coastline
Taken during descent. That’s Scotland down there
Descending over the Firth of Forth. Edinburgh on the left
Turning 90 degrees
Edinburgh visible. Arthur’s Seat – the volcano – is also very recognizable
Edinburgh again
All right, Edinburgh once more
After landing, taxing towards the very last jetbridge. The iconic control tower is also visible
Taxiing in. Easy and British also visible
See, no one there to operate the jetbridge


Well, after a few minutes someone did appear to operate the jetbrigde. Since I was seated so close to the exit, I was out in no time, and I was also among the first to arrive at passport control. So no queue there, and I was on to collect my bags which appeared pretty quickly. From there on to the very frequent and efficient airport shuttle bus to the city center and I was on my way to the great city of Edinburgh again!

Sunday, March 4th
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines Flight KL1282 (operated by KLM Cityhopper)
Edinburgh Airport (EDI) – Amsterdam Airport Schiphol (AMS)
Fokker 70
Seat 15A


156th overall flight
21st flight on KLM
2nd flight on a Fokker 70 (3rd flight on a Fokker 70/100)
2nd flight on a KLM Fokker 70 (2nd flight on a KLM Fokker 70/100)
4th visit to EDI (1st take-off from EDI) and 50th visit to AMS (26th landing at AMS)

Departure Time (Scheduled/Actual): 13.45 / 14.00
Arrival Time (Scheduled/Actual): 16.15 / 16.31
Block time (Scheduled / Actual): 1.25 / 1.31
Flight duration: 1 hour, 10 minutes
Mileage: 415 nm

The time spent in Edinburgh was brief but great, so I felt sad (and a little hung over from to many drinks – I was in Scotland after all) to be leaving already on Sunday morning. As I had been to Edinburg before, I had elected not taken any pictures of the city itself, so nothing to share   But, I’ll definitely be coming back, that’s for sure. I made my way back to the Waverely Station, to catch the airport bus back to EDI.

Now, although I had been to Edinburgh twice, I had never flown out of EDI before. On my first trip I took a trip to the Scottish Highlands and it was more convenient to fly back from GLA. On my second trip, the Big Freeze happened, and EDI was closed for a few days, and I ended up being rebooked from GLA. So, this would be my first time seeing the airside area of EDI, which was remodeled not too long ago, if I’m not mistaken.

Check-in was quick. One area here for KL, AF and Cityjet. Two lines, one for economy (two desks) and one Premium (with one desk). There were only self-service kiosks in the economy line, but there was a small queue there, so I proceeded to the empty Premium desk where a friendly fellow checked my bag and printed my boarding pass. Security looked busy at first, but in the end it took about 10 minutes to get through, after which I was released into the duty free store, I mean departures hall.

Spacious departures area.
Big windows, comfortable seats and Speedbird 321 to London Heathrow
Empty regional departures area
Three different Flybe birds, and a Ryanair 738 in the distance
International departures area. Less modern and fancy then the main area


Now you have to understand that the Fokker 70 and I have very difficult relationship. I’ve scheduled a date with this bird for four times in the past 2,5 years but she bailed on me on three occasions. Allow me to summarize:
- CDG-BES: the scheduled F100 was subbed by a CRJ700 about a month before departure
- LHR-AMS: due to a delayed flight I arrived in London too late to catch this flight, and ended up on a Boeing 737-700
- EDI-AMS-DUS: this would be return flight from the aforementioned trip that had some snow troubles; as I said, I ended up flying back from GLA and because my train ticket from DUS back to AMS was long expired KL was kind enough to allow me to skip the entire DUS segment (that would have been operated by a F70). Fortunately I did get the scheduled Fokker 70 on the DUS-AMS(-EDI) flight a few days earlier.

Therefore, I was slightly relieved to see this standing at the gate:


I selected seat 15A during OLCI. This time there were plenty of seats available during check-in. Row 15 is a great seat in the Fokker, just after the wing, but before the engine. About 30 minutes before departure – boarding time – an announcement was made that due to “operational problems” boarding would be delayed to 13.45 for a 14.00 hour departure. In English: a 15 minute delay because of technical problems. I believe they tend to be quite common with the Fokkers. So I just made another stroll through the terminal, watched the zoo that is the boarding process of an Easyjet to Milan Malpensa and ended up back at Gate 1, where the KL flight would depart from.

At 13.45 boarding indeed commenced. There was a family with two babies and one kid aged about four waiting near the counter to pre-board. As soon as the door to the gate opened the young kid ran into the jetbridge. I guess he must have been just as excited to get on the Fokker 70 as I was   The gate agent let him go and quickly scanned the boarding pass that the kid’s mother presented to her.

This time I was among the first to get on board, and made way to the back of the good old Fokker. Positive side of a small delay is that most people tend to remain near the gate, so everyone was on board quite quickly. Again, a healthy load, about 90% I’d say, but fortunately the seat next to me remained open. During boarding the captain came on the PA apologizing for the delay, and explaining to us that a technical problem had come up with the engine after arrival, and that a systems reset had to be done. Judging by their names and accent I’d say the cockpit crew was Dutch, but it appeared that the cabin crew was British, a former KLM UK crew. Although the purser did spoke Dutch – and made all the pre-written announcement in Dutch – she spoke with such a heavy accent that you could hardly understand it… and it just sounded plain simple ridiculous. If you can’t do it a way that people can actually understand it, then don’t do it all.

We pushed back at 14.00 hours, only a 15 minute delay in the end and taxied towards the runway, from where we would depart to the East. No aircrafts ahead of us, but we did had to wait for an Aer Arran ATR to land. Then the two engines came to life, and we a great powerful take off. We proceeded towards the East for quite a long time, before turning Southwest towards the Netherlands, probably to avoid some very disturbing clouds that were visible from the ground.

Easyjet next to us, as we are pushing back in the rain
Holding short of the runway while a Aer Arran ATR is landing. One of MOL’s 738’s is following us. Also some very disturbing clouds in the distance
Take-off, towards those disturbing clouds
Coming above the clouds, great view here. Some snow is visible
Leveling off, and banking towards the East. Some more snow


The climb out was quite bumpy, and it also took a little longer than usual before the fasten seatbelts signs were turned off. Just after the crew began their service we again encountered some heavy turbulence prompting the captain to turn the fasten seatbelt sign back on. After reaching a higher altitude and leveling off there, the ride became rather smooth. The flight itself was again rather uneventful (with another cup of coffee and another granola bar), with hardly any views besides a thick cloud layer. As usual, twenty minutes before landing word from the cockpit came, telling us that we would be landing on the remote runway, which meant that we would arrive about 20 minutes late.

Descent began, and we went through a big grey cloud layer for quite some time, clearing them just before the Dutch coastline. We performed the usual approach for flights from the UK landing on the Polderbaan, and then had a very smooth landing with a long roll out, exiting the runway at the 3rd intersection, not the second - or even first – that the Fokkers sometimes do.

Dutch coastline is sight. No weather to be out on the beach today
Typical Dutch landscape North of Amsterdam, and also in the far bottom the highway I’ll be driving on to get back home
Final approach, with the Amsterdam harbor also pictured, and the city in the far back
Touchdown!
Approaching the regional appron, most of the time occupied by Cityhopper flights, with the occasional AF Regional bird thrown in the mix
Maintenance dude is checking out the engine, perhaps another check is required after all?


If things go according to plan, I should find myself on yet another Fokker 70 this month, between FRA and AMS. Unless she bails on me again, off course   Thanks for reading… comments are most appreciated!


User currently offlineroberts87 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2011, 987 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6113 times:

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
…and Business Class and Elite on the right

Folks, how the heck do I get all those titles to get to the next line? Even if I add a whole bunch of empty lines they just keep on bouncing back to straight after the picture...      


User currently offlinewin1290 From Thailand, joined Jan 2012, 280 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6020 times:

Hi Roberts87,

Thanks for the trip report! very nice photos! I have a, very much looked forward to, flight with KLM's Fokker 70 tomorrow and hopefully it doesn't change to another aircraft. Thanks for sharing and I look forward to reading your next trip report.

Regards

Win


User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1714 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5930 times:

Hoi Robert nice report! It's been a while since we last saw something from you, and it was a nice and enjoyable read!  
Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
That one will be about catching an exotic airline and a rare-ish aircraft; the LA A343 between MAD and FRA.

Thanks for the spoiler alert, now I know what to look forward from you next time.

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
Fortunately, I am a Flying Blue Silver / Skyteam Elite member, which allowed me to use the Business Class check-in counter, and thus avoiding the crowds.

Really seems like FBS have some good perks, as opposed to Star Alliance Silver (which is really a crap crap tier). Basically it's like Gold minus the lounge access. Any plans to become FBG this year?

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
A delicious treat and a delicious hot drink, selected for me

So they didn't serve those proper Trattoria sandwiches? They always have them on the ARN route, quite disappointing if they have cut down on the service on the EU routes. Then again as much as I love KLM I will fly LH or SAS on my next trip to AMS for very obvious reasons  
Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
I obviously don’t speak Norwegian, so anyone knows what it says? Free to use on the airport grounds or something?

The sign says "Feel free to borrow an umbrella, and drop it off by the parking lot". So basically people can borrow the umbrellas only for the walk to their car, which makes sense. Then again Norway is a rich country so they can afford to give away a few extra umbrellas (and besides they're made of Petroleum too)

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
the same coffee and again not a second drink that was offered.

Didn't they even offer those delicious cookies and tea? Quite disappointing if they don't.

"Wheels Up!"
//Jonas



SAS Plus is Business Class made faux!
User currently offlinejrfspa320 From Australia, joined Sep 2005, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5722 times:

Nice report, Lucky to get a Fokker 70, still havnt flown one.
I agree Edinburgh is a great city, only been once, but loved it!


User currently offlineLFutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3339 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5677 times:

Een heel mooi verslag! Glad to see KLM was good and you got the F70! Nice pictures! now I'm awaiting the next trip report.

Met vriendelijk groetjes uit Chicago,

Leo!



Leo/ORD -- Groetjes uit de VS! -- Heeft u laatst nog met KLM gevlogen?
User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5633 times:

Hi Robert,
Great trip report.

I usually see a KLM machine when I'm in HAM but have yet to enjoy the hospitality for that airline. Nice photos of Stavanger but shame none of Edinburgh - you'll just have to go back 
Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
I must have looked like a Dutch man
Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
Again, do I look Dutch?

Maybe but

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
speech in English

maybe not.  
Quoting roberts87 (Reply 2):
Folks, how the heck do I get all those titles to get to the next line?

After inserting the link to the photo, write <br />

Thanks for sharing.


User currently offlineroberts87 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2011, 987 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5461 times:

Thanks for the replies!

Quoting win1290 (Reply 3):
Thanks for the trip report! very nice photos! I have a, very much looked forward to, flight with KLM's Fokker 70 tomorrow and hopefully it doesn't change to another aircraft.

Enjoy your flight!

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
Thanks for the spoiler alert, now I know what to look forward from you next time.

The flight takes places next week, I'm looking forward to it!

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
Really seems like FBS have some good perks, as opposed to Star Alliance Silver (which is really a crap crap tier). Basically it's like Gold minus the lounge access. Any plans to become FBG this year?

Yeah, it's basiccally Gold minus lounge acces, so it's great. Although there are some rumours that some of the perks will be taking away, because AFKL will be streamlining it with DL's tiers; and DL Silver has less perks.

And it also only requires 15 flights, so it's not that hard to reach it. Probably not FB Gold this year. I do have some flights planned both for business and pleasure, but not enough to reach Gold.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
So they didn't serve those proper Trattoria sandwiches? They always have them on the ARN route, quite disappointing if they have cut down on the service on the EU routes.

No, they only serve those sandwhiches on flights longer then 100 minutes, and EDI is 90. I think this has been the case for a few years now. Exception are mainline flights that are less then 100 minutes but depart before 9 am, they do get a sandwich too.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
Didn't they even offer those delicious cookies and tea? Quite disappointing if they don't.

O yeah, I did get a cookie and coffee. What I meant was that I wasn't offered some water or juice with it, which they did on my other 2 recent KL flights.

Quoting LFutia (Reply 6):

Een heel mooi verslag!

Bedankt!

Quoting jrfspa320 (Reply 5):

Nice report, Lucky to get a Fokker 70, still havnt flown one

Thanks! They're great little birds, catch them while you can!

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 7):
Nice photos of Stavanger but shame none of Edinburgh - you'll just have to go back

I have a whole bunch of pictures from my last 2 trips to Edinburgh, but I'll probably go back too!

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 7):
After inserting the link to the photo, write

Thanks! Unfortunately I can't edit my post now, but for the next time!


User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4269 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5358 times:

Hi Robert!
good to see the latest KLM mainline product. Surprised by no second drink run or the caramel cookie. The recent published financial loss of KL/AF group might be a reason for this sudden change.

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
Security for Schengen departures is at a central common security checkpoint, opposed to the horrible security-at-the-gate concept that is in place at the non-Schengen gates.

What's the big deal with security at the non-schengen gates? I always wonder... I prefer the security for passengers for MY flight only instead of waiting for all others. If I go to HKG on CX I don't want to wait at security for loads of people bringing tons of luggage on their AT flight to CMN, for example. I like the gate-screening concept more.

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
The line wasn’t that long, and before I know it was my turn to put all my stuff on the conveyer belt, remove my shoes, my belt, well you all know the drill.

Shoes off, in AMS? No way for me. There is no such rule in place, plus they never asked me to so.

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
while I am up close and personal with an OA Airbus

Soon history, OA will stop operating to AMS

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
we would make a sharp 180 degree turn to the east and then head further up north towards Stavanger. This surprised me, as I had watched a few flights between AMS and SVG on Flightradar, and all of them turned west, directly to the North Sea and then head up north.

Not really 180°, but I know the meaning; left turns are Andik-departure routes, and you did a 'Spykerbook-departure'. This differs from time to time, depending on runway usage. I'm pretty sure during your departure also runway 18L was in use for departure, hence this departure route.

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
she returned in Dutch telling us that the safety demonstration would only be done in English today due to the low number of Dutch speaking passengers on board. I had never heard that before!

Yes, this happened to me once on KLM also quite recently. Interesting indeed

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
I chose a cup of coffee next to it, no extra drink

Hmm.. not common afaik. Missing the second offer.

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
It seems that priority baggage sometimes does work, as all priority tagged bags – including mine – appeared first.

It doesn't work in AMS (for KL), but elsewhere usual ok it seems

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 1):
Edinburgh is one of my favorite cities in Europe that I’ve visited so far. The atmosphere, the feeling, the old city, the wonderful surroundings,

Something to visit for me, never been there

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 1):
New Starbucks in the D Pier

It's not really new anymore. This facitlity was already open more then 1 year ago

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 1):
Similar to my return flight from Stavanger, a lot of A-seats were already taken during OLCI, so I settled for 3A again.

These seats are not always available to everybody, you're Silver Elite which makes them available at last moment, most probably. I am usually able to select them.

Good story about the 2 trips, shame about the cloudy weather... I'll see what KLM offers to me in 2 weeks again.

Regards
Eric



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 928 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

Hey Robert. Great reports. SVG looks like a nice little town. I actually have not ever visited EDI but have heard it is a great city with a lot of "haunted" history! Thanks for sharing! Cheers, Will


Landing on every Continent almost on an annual basis!
User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 5169 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5055 times:

Hi, Robert,

that was for sure a good read.

Been to Stavanger myself, a nice reminder with you´re pictures and also EDI, good to see that terminal inside again.
KL sounds like ok on you´re flights.
I should do also some more KL flights the next time to keep up the AF Gold Elite level, hopefully.

Greetings,
Markus(FLIEGER67)



Next: Capital travel on schedule!.
User currently offlineSultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1715 posts, RR: 30
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5034 times:
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Hi Robert,

Nice report with excellent quality pics. Some minor detail on the pics: maybe post them a bit larger next time (about 640px on the largest side), makes all the difference with HQ pics   Congrats on finally scoring your F70 this time. I logged my KL example as well not too long ago. They're pretty nice machinery indeed, if they don't go tech...

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
A delicious treat and a delicious hot drink, selected for me

Modesty is a highly appreciated quality of the Dutch 

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
Now this surprised me, as this runway (36C, the Zwanenburgbaan) is hardly ever used for landings to the North.

Have a look on flightradar24, it does happen quite some times actually.

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
I believe they tend to be quite common with the Fokkers.

I guess Italian cars are even more reliable   

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 2):
Folks, how the heck do I get all those titles to get to the next line? Even if I add a whole bunch of empty lines they just keep on bouncing back to straight after the picture...

Insert 1 or 2 line breaks by adding "<br>" directly after the pic in question. The same goes for smileys, which are pics as well.

Sultanils



In thrust we trust.
User currently offlineroberts87 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2011, 987 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4831 times:

Thanks for the additional comments!

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 9):
What's the big deal with security at the non-schengen gates?

My beef with the security at the gate is the lack of seating (this is better in the E-F gates) after security, and the chaos that ensues when waiting, it's just all a bit disorderly. Especially if it's packed BA A321 or something. It might be psychological, but I'm always trough security quicker for the non-Schengen gates.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 9):
Not really 180°, but I know the meaning; left turns are Andik-departure routes, and you did a 'Spykerbook-departure'. This differs from time to time, depending on runway usage. I'm pretty sure during your departure also runway 18L was in use for departure, hence this departure route.

Makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 9):
It's not really new anymore. This facitlity was already open more then 1 year ago

It's been a while since I was at the D-gates  
Quoting globalflyer (Reply 10):

Hey Robert. Great reports.

Thank you!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 11):
that was for sure a good read.

Thanks!

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 12):
Some minor detail on the pics: maybe post them a bit larger next time (about 640px on the largest side), makes all the difference with HQ pics

Well, the photo's were taken by cameraphone, they are a bit sharper if I post them small  
Quoting Sultanils (Reply 12):
Have a look on flightradar24, it does happen quite some times actually.

It does? I used to drive past Schiphol like 2 or 3 times a week, hardly ever saw it. Perhaps I was just passing by at the wrong time.


User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4723 times:

Hi Robert!

Again a nice report.
Good idea to catch the F70, I should also try to catch a F70 and/or a F100 before they are gone.
Looks like KL treated you well, their service seems very stable!

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
Firstly the trip to Stavanger (SVG) both out- and inbound on a Boeing 737-800

Wow, interesting, I didn't know they sent that large aircraft to SVG.

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
The D gates at AMS can be used both as Schengen and as non-Schengen gates, since the pier to which the gates are connected has two levels. The lower level leads to the other non-Schengen gates, whilst the upper level leads to the other Schengen gates.

ARN's F-pier has a similar concept. I think it's a good idea.

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
the safety demonstration would only be done in English today due to the low number of Dutch speaking passengers on board. I had never heard that before!

Once on a Swedish domestic flight (ARN-KRN) they did the safety demo in English, I was very surprised. They did repeat the important parts in Swedish but all major announcements were first said in English.

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
and – to my surprise – a Air Europa 738. Some kind of charter perhaps?

Most likely a charter to the med.

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
I obviously don’t speak Norwegian, so anyone knows what it says? Free to use on the airport grounds or something?

Something in the lines of "Borrow an umbrella, return it at the parking lot".

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
The first few rows have extra legroom as they can be used as business class rows

The main advantage of being seated far forward in the cabin.

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
Edinburgh is one of my favorite cities in Europe that I’ve visited so far.

I've heard great things about Edinburgh, I should go there.

Martin


User currently offlinelukeyboy95 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 1092 posts, RR: 31
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4554 times:

Hi Robert. I enjoyed the report alot.

Thanks for taking the time to write it up and congratulations on your Fokker. I suppose I will never fly that aircraft, as I tend to veer away from some of the carriers that use them. Well, never say never!

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 1):
Edinburgh is one of my favorite cities in Europe that I’ve visited so far. The atmosphere, the feeling, the old city, the wonderful surroundings, it really got to me the first time I visited back in March 2009.

I am glad to see you have a hunkering for Edinburgh. It is a buzzy old city for sure - alot going on. Noticed you don't visit it for the food! Ha. If you ever have more time, a daytrip to Glasgow can show a more living city which also has a good industrial heritage.

Thanks again,

Luke!



Breaking down the stereotypes - one by one
User currently offlineMSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2474 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4414 times:

Hi

Great report, thanks for sharing! Nice tu see SVG and EDI in the same trip report. KL seems to have a decent product I like the color of the coffee cup on the first leg. SVG seems nice as well

Great to see the F70 appear in your log.

Greetings
Marc



Next trip report: Well worn A330s and Hassle free MUC transfer
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6807 posts, RR: 77
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4283 times:

Hi Robert,

nice report about your journeys to two very interesting cities. I may visit Edinburgh later this year. And KLM could be the carrier of choice for the trip.

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
Space enough for my bag and an IFE-box.

I hate those boxes when you don't get a PTV...


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineFlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1706 posts, RR: 30
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 22 hours ago) and read 4180 times:

Hi Rob,

Nice to read about two of your weekend trips. Stavanger looks like most other Norwegian towns and cities - I guess I should pay the city a visit at some point. I've flown through the airport quite a few times but never made it to the city.

Edinburgh is a fab city, I like it a lot!

KLM is a decent enough carrier nowadays, although they did their best to piss me off on my last trip with them. Still I have six more flights with them booked this spring so they will get a few second chances  
Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
‘Krokusvakantie’, a holiday week in mid-February

"Crocus vacation"? Seriously?! You Dutch certainly take your flowers very seriously!

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
Central area of the D gates, in the ‘Airport Park’ style. Not pictured is the comfortable and extensive seating area to the right

I went through this area a couple of weeks ago when doing TXL-AMS-HEL. I was really surprised (and a bit confused, it's been a year since I was last at Schiphol) by it. Looked very nice.

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
Take-off! Heading out past one of the two cargo aprons at AMS, visible are SQ, LA and MU

For a while I thought LAN had started flying to AMS without me knowing it but apparently it was just a cargo flight....

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
the usual stuff on KLM flights less than 100 minutes: savory or sweet. Savory today was a pack of pretzels, whilst the sweet was a granola bar, for which I opted.

Got this very same selection on my TXL-AMS flight.

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
I guess I must have looked like a Dutch man

Well if you are two meters tall and blonde it is kinda hard not to...

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
a Air Europa 738. Some kind of charter perhaps?

Yes, you saw the weather - don't blame us northeners for wanting to catch up on our sun  .

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
and made my way to the bus, for which I paid a pretty expensive fare, we are in expensive Norway after all (150 NOK).

That is for a return ticket, isn't it? Otherwise I can't justify charging 20 EUR for that short ride!

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
New Starbucks in the D Pier

Hah, that layout is identical to the ARN *bucks!


User currently offlineJL418 From Italy, joined Jun 2009, 493 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 19 hours ago) and read 4154 times:

Hi Robert,

thanks for sharing! It's been a pleasure to read your TR.

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
Thanks in advance for reading, and stay tuned for my next trip report. That one will be about catching an exotic airline and a rare-ish aircraft; the LA A343 between MAD and FRA.

That's really interesting! I'd love to do sample it as well, one day, but from where I live (London) it's hard without having to commit a couple of days to the enterprise which sounds a little bit too much.

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
Norway had been on my to-visit list for quite a while, and when KLM’s bi-annual “World Deal Weeks” sale included several Norwegian cities I took that as an excellent opportunity to scrap Norway of that list. I like going off the beaten path every now and then, and decided not to go to the more popular destinations such as Oslo or Bergen, both to visit the city of Stavanger, mostly known for the extensive oil industry

Mmh, If I have been you I'd have gone for Bergen instead! Or Tromsoe, even if I don't know whether there are KL flights 'til up there or not. Stavanger isn't, from my memories, one of the best places in Norway... Whereas in Bergen there's a little chance of running into Kings of Convenience's Erlend Oye, something that'd be worth the price of the ticket for me.

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
The first part of the Schengen area had been refurbished into what Schiphol I believe calls an Airport Park. Lot of greens, some trees and flowers, quite a few comfortable seating area’s and the sounds of birds whistling trough the speakers. It sure seemed like a comfortable place to relax if you have a couple of hours to spare during your layover.

Thanks for the tour! I've been in AMS very briefly some time ago and I had a very confused idea of it all. Your description made it quite clear and self-explanatory. Strange about the open-air terrace being a smoking-free area, had I been a smoker (I'm not) I'd be reaching for my packet of blondes seconds after having set foot there.

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
she returned in Dutch telling us that the safety demonstration would only be done in English today due to the low number of Dutch speaking passengers on board. I had never heard that before!

Geert Wilders would be outraged! Just joking, of course, but it's a quite strange thing if you think that she'd been halfway through the whole procedure by the time she said in Dutch that no Dutch-spoken safety show would've been made.

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
As I was seated in the back, the single (male) FA served me – the usual stuff on KLM flights less than 100 minutes: savory or sweet. Savory today was a pack of pretzels, whilst the sweet was a granola bar, for which I opted. I chose a cup of coffee next to it, no extra drink (such as a cup of water or juice) was offered, which had been the case on my two previous KLM flights (CDG-AMS and AMS-ZRH).

Strange! I've flown on KL only once, on the very short LHR-AMS run, and yet I've been given an egg and mustard sandwich. How come this wasn't the same for a much longer set of flights?

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
A delicious treat and a delicious hot drink, selected for me

Holy moly, NOT another cheesy slogan! Quite irritating I must say.

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
to my surprise – a Air Europa 738. Some kind of charter perhaps?

Call me a spoilt bastard but I wouldn't be too happy of flying all the way down to Gran Canaria on that plane, at least not without parting myself off my legs.

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
Again, do I look Dutch?

I guess you do! Now that you know that, stay well away from Rick Santorum otherwise he'll begin ranting some senseless idiocy at you!

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 1):
Since then I had been there once more, a stay that was extended a little longer (4 days) due to the snow-misery that got Britain by surprise in the last week of November 2010.

We've been in the same misery! I was left stranded on 29th November 2010 as well and, guess what? The plane that brought me to Scotland (Aberdeen, but still) was the Jungle jet you've seen docked in Stavanger.

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 1):
However, seats D and E remained empty, and my neighbor moved to seat 3D after the ‘boarding is now complete’ call. And after that, the gentleman in seat 3C changed to somewhere in the back as well, so suddenly I had three seats to myself.

Quite a big stroke of luck!

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 1):

Again increased legroom. Space enough for my bag and an IFE-box.

IFE box? really? was it for the overhead screen?

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 2):
Folks, how the heck do I get all those titles to get to the next line? Even if I add a whole bunch of empty lines they just keep on bouncing back to straight after the picture..

People have already given you the answer, but I'd like to add my two cents: after I enter the [/img] code, I hit "Enter", add a point ( . ) and then hit enter again. Might not be the proper way, but works just fine with me.

Looking forward to read about the A343!

Fabrizio


User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3268 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4030 times:

Nice report RObert, thanks for posting!

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
The usual bla bla followed and after the English announcement she returned in Dutch telling us that the safety demonstration would only be done in English today due to the low number of Dutch speaking passengers on board. I had never heard that before!

Interesting to hear. Does every Dutch person understand English?

Quoting roberts87 (Thread starter):
A friend young fellow at the office told me that the administration fee was ridiculously high, and I would probably get a better rate if I exchanged the Krones in the UK. He then offered to change my smaller notes and coins into one big note, so I would have any troubles with getting the smaller currencies accepted. Great service!

Nice of him to tell you.

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 1):

Edinburgh is one of my favorite cities in Europe that I’ve visited so far. The atmosphere, the feeling, the old city, the wonderful surroundings, it really got to me the first time I visited back in March 2009.

You should go back in the summer for the Festivals (late July-end of Aug). Go with a group of friends, with plenty of cash set aside for drinking and events, and book your accomodation and shows early. There's music, theatre, comedy....everything. Best time to visit



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User currently offlineroberts87 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2011, 987 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3966 times:

Once again, thanks for the additional replies!

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 14):
Wow, interesting, I didn't know they sent that large aircraft to SVG.

Yeah, BGO, SVG and OSL see mainy 737 aircraft with pretty good loads. KLM is very strong in Scandinavia, many connections are offered ex-AMS.

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 14):
Once on a Swedish domestic flight (ARN-KRN) they did the safety demo in English, I was very surprised. They did repeat the important parts in Swedish but all major announcements were first said in English.

I guess even on a domestic flight, especially one to/from a hub, you can expect to have foreigners on board. Safety first, so I can understand that the safety demo would be in English too.

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 15):
Noticed you don't visit it for the food! Ha. If you ever have more time, a daytrip to Glasgow can show a more living city which also has a good industrial heritage.

Been there! Quite different then Edinburgh, but enjoyable non the least.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 18):
KLM is a decent enough carrier nowadays, although they did their best to piss me off on my last trip with them.

Why, what happened? Or can we expect a TR on that?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 18):
"Crocus vacation"? Seriously?! You Dutch certainly take your flowers very seriously!

Yes, we do!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 18):
For a while I thought LAN had started flying to AMS without me knowing it but apparently it was just a cargo flight....

Yes, and even with those sexy Boeing 777F-s!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 18):
That is for a return ticket, isn't it? Otherwise I can't justify charging 20 EUR for that short ride!

Fortunately it was!

Quoting JL418 (Reply 19):
That's really interesting! I'd love to do sample it as well, one day, but from where I live (London) it's hard without having to commit a couple of days to the enterprise which sounds a little bit too much.

It doesn't have to be that hard. It can be done with a one night stay. The flight leaves MAD in the afternoon (3pm), so plenty of time to get to Madrid on the same day, and then return the next day. There is even more time if you do it the other way round, the flight leaves FRA at 7 pm-ish.

Quoting JL418 (Reply 19):
Mmh, If I have been you I'd have gone for Bergen instead!

Bergen is definately on my to visit list! But because there's more to see and do there, I wanted to go there if I can spend a little more time then the 3 hours I spent in Stavanger.

Quoting JL418 (Reply 19):
Strange! I've flown on KL only once, on the very short LHR-AMS run, and yet I've been given an egg and mustard sandwich. How come this wasn't the same for a much longer set of flights?

Did that flight leave before 9 in the morning? Normally they only serve the sandwiches on flights longer then 100 minutes and on flights that leave before 9 am.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 20):
Interesting to hear. Does every Dutch person understand English?

Most of them too. On the other hand, if you fly a foreign carrier out of AMS, you wouldn't get a Dutch safety demo either, so I don't the fact that a lot people speak Dutch explains why there wasn't a Dutch safety speech.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 20):
You should go back in the summer for the Festivals

I'll remember that!


User currently offlineFlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1706 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3946 times:

Hi again,

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 21):
KLM is a decent enough carrier nowadays, although they did their best to piss me off on my last trip with them.
Why, what happened? Or can we expect a TR on that?

Naah, it was too mundane a trip to justify a real report. But basically I tried everything since 10 AM that morning (for a flight which departed AMS around 20.45 or so) to get a window seat and to no avail. OLCI seatmap showed plenty of open window seats but for some reason I couldn't change my seat from the preallocated aisle (why?) seat. Not with OLCI and not with the kiosk at TXL. By the time I got to Schiphol and tried first self service and later an agent in the Crown lounge (too few agents and some weird problem pax, a complete mess) all window seats were gone. Same in the gate.

The gate staff lied to me that the flight was overbooked - well it wasn't, the one and half rows of Europe Select were completely empty. Economy was packed full, though. Before pushback the nice purser said to three guys on aisle seats on the rows ahead of me (I was in 6D) in a quiet voice (but I could still hear it) "After take off you can move to up front to get some more space, but the service will still be economy class.". I was annoyed that he didn't say that to me, I'd liked that window seat for sure and am FBG after all. Maybe those three guys were platinums or maybe not, dunno... Annoying.


User currently offlineroberts87 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2011, 987 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

That's a disappointing story indeed, not the service I'm used to from KL. Do you have a preference set for a window seat in your FB profile? So far I've always gotten a pre-selected window seat when doing OLCI, and I'm only a FB Silver. Hope they perform better on your next trips!

User currently offlinesignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 3005 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3801 times:

Hi Robert,

nice weekend getaways, and great reports   Any idea why the SVG flight ticket was twice the cost of the EDI one?
In any case, thanks for the nice tour of AMS, one of my most common airports! Thanks to pleny of transfers to / from NWI (a nice candidate city for a visit if it comes up on offer   ).

signol



Flights booked: none :(
25 KaiGywer : Nice report of my old stomping grounds. Lived in SVG (and actually worked for WF at the time loading these exact flights) for two years during school.
26 Post contains images OA260 : Hey Robert , Great report and pics . Lovely to get the F70 and I love KLMs cabin interiors . Very classy . Thanks for the report. Regards Philip
27 roberts87 : Thanks again for the comments! NWI is actually on schedule for this september. Flying DUS-EXT-NWI on BE, to get catch the D328, and two new airports (
28 Post contains images signol : Excellent, let me know when you'll be around signol
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