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Comparing BA With KL? AMS-LGW-MAN/LPL-AMS  
User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Posted (2 years 9 months 2 hours ago) and read 7628 times:

Hi all,

A short tripreport comes in between, from a recent trip taken with fellow member and tripreporter Parton87 also known as Robert, from Sweden.
He visited my country for about 4 days in early March and we met up a few times. We did some sightseeing together on his arrival, unfortunately weather in The Netherlands wasn’t that great. I still believe that he had an enjoyable time, also with some other a.netters who were available to meet.

Well, to keep things short, we had some chatting before his trip and discussed his possibility to score an affordable ride on the Fokker 70, which was in my opinion easily doable on the -soon to be axed- LPL-AMS service. We picked a date which was also available for me, and proceeded with our bookings.

Where Robert firstly decided to fly out on easyJet, he later changed his mind and booked himself also seats on my flights with BA, giving him another new airport (LGW) and complimentary lounge access on my oneworld Sapphire status on BA.

The routing was to be as follows:

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Great Circle Mapper-copyright © Karl L. Swartz

Robert was now hoping to get a ride on BA’s ageing Boeing 737-400, since they are basically the only equipment operating the LGW flights. But here, unfortunately BA changed their mind and scheduled an Airbus A319 on this service. Moreover, also the flight out of LGW to MAN was already forecasting the an Airbus as well, so it didn’t look really good for him.

Comparing BA with KL? LGW-MAN/LPL-AMS


In the drizzle of the morning, Thursday 01th March, we agreed to meet on the all-stop trainservice from my village via Hoofddorp (where Robert was staying in the hotel). It was rushhour and quite busy but Robert was just in time to jump on the 08.06am service to the airport.

At the airport we walked up to Terminal 3, where BA has it’s counters and where I picked up my 2 boarding passes at the desk. I was served immediately by a friendly agent.

We were able to use both the priority lane for passport control hence my status, a welcome benefit since it was quite busy. But the airport staff to coordinate things was not really keen on her job; a lot of regular travellers jumped over to the shorter priority lane. It didn’t take too long in the end, and the staff (Military Police) were friendly.

We had a pleasant walk toward the BA Terraces lounge in AMS, visit the ‘Rijksmuseum’ exhibition on our way showing some great work from many years ago. Winter landscapes was one of the themes. Just beautiful to look at, and full of details.


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Annex of the famous Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam. A small exhibition in the terminal


The lounge staff was welcoming us, we showed our boarding pass and he advised that our aircraft was already arriving and we couldn’t stay too long. He promised to make a boarding call, which is common practise in this louge anyway.

Robert had some looks around, we got our morning coffee, a muffin, and some views on the apron where a handfull of DL aircraft were parked at the E-concourse. A daily happening in the morning hours in AMS, quite impressive to say at least.


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BA Terraces Lounge in Amsterdam. This lounge is also used by CX



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Comfortable seating inside the BA lounge



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Standard offerings; some cookies or muffins plus the usual selections



At 0845am we left the lounge, 45 minutes prior departure. It takes about 15 minutes to reach the BA gates at the end of the D-concourse. It’s recently refurbished, with a ‘own’ security checkpoint for several gates, used by BA. We meet with Martijn aka CrimsonNL, on duty for another flight that day. One more chat before boarding, plus the neccesary pictures from the awaiting plane. Meanwhile boarding was called for… time to head off!


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On our way to the gate. The D-concourse is loooong!



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The new generalized security checkpoint at the end of the D-concourse



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The expected Airbus A319 waiting at gate D28






















Date 01.03.2012
Flight BA2759
Route AMS-LGW
Aircraft Airbus A319
Registration G-EUOH
Scheduled Departure Time // Actual Departure Time 09:30 // 09:27
Scheduled Arrival Time // Actual Arrival Time 09:35 // 09:23
Class of Service Euro Traveller
Seat No. 07F



Doors closed early when about 68 passengers were onboard, definitely a load which could be better. The neccesary welcome announcements were made and meanwhile a safety demo was shown on the overhead screens. I was seated in row 7, with great legroom and a middle seat remains empty. A female business type lady on the aisle seat.


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The ‘old’ BA seating onboard. But very comfortable!


We pushback early, and taxiing was zero to nothing. We taxied for about 100 meters and were welcomed by the runway already. First, some other traffic was departing in front before our turn. Takeoff was followed and we climbed into the overcast grey skies over AMS.


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Taxiing out under the grey sky, with a lot of other traffic in the background



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Airborne from runway 24


Soon we reached a level in clear skies, at which time the crew came in action. The purser closed the curtain seperating the classes of service on this flight. Immediately after, 2 friendly females came to deliver a sandwich.


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Always nice to reach the blue sky again…


As usual on my BA flights from AMS they have a sandwich on offer in Economy Class, despite so many people mentioning that this is not common. I don’t really know, but I honestly never got something else afaik

The sandwich was filled with salami, not really my taste, so I ask if there is a vegetarian option. The flight attendant friendly took back the original offering and handed me a vegetarian/Gouda cheese sandwich.   .
To drink, basically anything was on offer. I decide to ask for OJ, which was served in the small pre-packed cup. A bit of small quantity in my opinion, but more then adequate for this short flight.


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The (vegetarian) sandwich I got on this short flight



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Dropdown overhead screens with relevant informations


Weather clears up when we near UK airspace and the crew announce a 20 minutes before landing, descend started. The crew cleaned up the cabin. Weather announced for LGW; fair but slightly misty condition with 7°C air temperature.

But a few minutes later the flightdeck announces light traffic for LGW and a shortcut was received, resulting in a direct heading for landing. This resulted in a more rapid descend and about 10 minutes later we touched the concrete of runway 26L in Gatwick.


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Approaching LGW



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A nice view on LGW just seconds before landing


The crew does the usual welcome speech and we slowly taxi to our parking stand, with fingergate, on the satellite terminal. More then 10 minutes early, which is a good achievement here.

I disembark following the flow of passengers, say thanks to the crew and halfway down the jetty I wait for Robert.

This was the first time for Robert to visit LGW, and he got lucky with our way towards the main building, since we had to cross the taxiway by the famous bridge. It is really impressive, and a joy to walk over the aircraft taxiing below you.


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View from ‘the bridge’. Just stunning!



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Our A319 which flew us in from AMS is visible at the gate, below



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Time to walk further… on our way to immigration


Since our next flight was to a domestic airport from LGW, we had to clear immigration here first. There was nobody at the immigration counters, so we were done in 30 seconds, by a friendly female officer.
Then we had upstairs by several escalators, and head to security again. Also here, no waiting time, and, very friendly officers. My camera bag was found save enough to travel,… but now my jacket seemed suspicious. The officer probably confused herself, and it was all found OK by another officer. We had a good laugh about it when I said it’s usually my bag which causes concerns.

We now head off to the BA Terraces lounge, for a more substantial breakfast. We were addressed very friendly, typically BA or British, dunno… we felt welcome from the moment the greeted me and Robert.


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LGW BA Terraces Lounge - Entrance


The lounge itself is very convenient, has very good views on the apron, but at this time of the day, most seats at the window were taken. We decided to take a table in the middle and helped ourselves with some food.


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Breakfast in the lounge



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A view from our table


We couldn’t stay long, while boarding was called soon. Next destination: Manchester!

The gate was 55D, just turn right once you get out of the lounge and you’re there. Boarding pass was checked before we were let into the waiting area. The aircraft waiting for us was indeed another A319 which are now based at Gatwick.


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Towards the gate


Once we arrived at the gate boarding started immediately, so we were able to continue straight away.
Luckily enough the fingergate had some windows, to snatch a picture of the aircraft and catch the registration.


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Up close with G-EUPS



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One more view, with ‘the bridge’ in the background. Impressive!





















Date 01.03.2012
Flight BA2904
Route LGW-MAN
Aircraft Airbus A319
Registration G-EUPS
Scheduled Departure Time // Actual Departure Time 11:00 // 11:01
Scheduled Arrival Time // Actual Arrival Time 12:00 // 11:56
Class of Service Domestic
Seat No. 03A


At doorside I was friendly welcomed by the purser, checking my boarding pass. It wasn’t far for me to reach my seat, all 3 seats still free, but later the aisle seat would be taken. Again, a female business style traveller, laughing sponteneously throughout the flight once she read some cartoons in the Daily Mail. Not really the type of paper you would expect at this type of traveller though. Upon boarding, relaxing classical music is playing. I like it.

The cabin is more bright then on ‘EUOH’ earlier that morning, so maybe this ship got a recent cabin maintenance check or so. Everything in good conditions so far, drop down screens from the overhead panel showing the safety video.
Also the captain welcomes us for the short jolly to Manchester today. Sit back, relax and enjoy… Well, let’s go. Ontime departure so far, a few minutes to reach the runway, but not without the usual waiting time at Gatwick. Several other aircraft in front, and with the single runway operation, we also have to wait for landing aircrafts. One by one,… maybe it takes 15 minutes in total before we fire up and climb out of a runway 26L departure.


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Taxiing out for departure



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B777-200ER G-VIIA and B737-400 G-DOCT under maintenance



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And airborne again, turning towards the Northeast


Suddenly, some moderate turbulence, a few heavy bumps, quite amusing hehe. Not sure how others thought about it. It was followed by the nearly 180 degrees turn towards the East (to avoid LHR traffic), always interesting when the engines seem to reduce to idle for a while, and spool up again soon after.

We fly around the city which is kept on our left, some good views though the layer of haze makes taking pictures difficult. We finally climb to 24,000 feet for this flight.


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A view on the city of London


Enroute a bar service is given, I get myself a G&T, and choice for cookies or a bag of crisps. Definitely BA is top-class for such a short flight, so I enjoyed it and had some pleasant views on the British countryside below.


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Great service on this short domestic, G&T + crisps. Perfect!


It doesn’t last long to be at cruising level. I noticed our descend, and also the flightdeck informs about MAN arrival weather. It was said to be quite foggy in the morning but clearing up now, mostly sunny weather was to be expected. The captain thanked us for flying BA (well, my pleasure).


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Bruntingthorpe Airfield; used for FAA explosion test on an Air France 747-100 and other interesting things



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Beautiful green British landscapes below


Arrival checks were done by the cabin crew and soon we came in from the East, landing on runway 23L at MAN. This was followed by some strong brakes applied, we vacated the runway quite quickly.
On my left I see hordes of people at the Viewing Park.


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Overflying suburban areas prior to landing



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Landed. Manchester Viewing Park in the background


A TK Airbus A320 is leaving for IST. Soon this flight will be operated by the new B737-900ER’s TK recently got. Maybe it’s something to do for me, since this (sub)type is missing so far.
Other traffic, mostly charters and a few other BA’s around our final parking position.


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A lot of (holiday) traffic here, and TK taxiing out



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After disembarking. A final close up with G-EUPS at the gate


We arrive early, so I am thankful to the crew again. Also the captain is here to say goodbye.


Since we arrive from London, there was no need to clear immigration anymore. We walk through ‘nothing to declare’ and there was Lee (AlwaysOnAPlane), waiting for us. We recognized eachother immediately.
We had a nice chat and meanwhile walked from Terminal 3 towards the busterminal. On our way we called in at the planeshop where I supported them a bit by buying a 2012 registration book. I will hardly use it, but I feel sorry for those 2 men sitting all day long in the tiny shop with almost no buying customers.


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Some interesting aircraft visible during our walk over to the bus terminal


Anyway, the bus terminal was about 10 minutes walk from terminal 3, and since we arrived early, a cup of quality coffee at Caffè Ritazza was imminent. To avoid creditcard surcharges we decided to take something to bite as well. Plus good aviation talk… what else you need on such a day!


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Good coffee at Ritazza



Our bus was leaving from downstairs, where long distance buses are leaving from. National Express coaches had a conveniently timed “280” service heading for Birkenhead with an intermediate stop at Liverpool Airport. After the driver checked the prebooked reservation we were let in and all had 2 convenient seats for ourselves. The layout of the bus was modern, clean and comfortable, with good legroom as well. And, via the M56, it took just 1 hour to reach LPL.


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MAN Bus Terminal



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This coach took us to LPL



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And finally we reach John Lennon Airport


At LPL the aviation talk continued, on the parking lot next to the terminal buidling. The sun was shining, spring was in the air, planes taxiing out in the background. This was no waste of time but just a relaxing moment in between flights.


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”Pride of Lisbon” resting on LPL’s apron


After a while we had to go back to the terminal to receive our boarding passes. 3 counters were open for the KLM service to AMS, I went to the priority counter and requested the printout of my boarding pass.

This was done and I noticed my seat was at row 18, definitely not my choice. I checked in on seat 03A, and was quite surprised. I told the lady to change me back to 03A, but she refused since 03A was taken already. Well, why do you relocate me?
Finally the best she could offer was 05F, the row of ‘3’ seats on the Fokker. She promised to try her best to keep the middle seat free. Well, not the best impression so far.


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KLM’s check-in desk at LPL



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When you walk to the security check, you have a good view on the apron


Security seemed busy, but since my ultrathin piece of boarding pass did not show any status not airline logo etc, I was wondering if I was able to receive some special treatment here.
They do sell a GBP 3,00 entrance fee to use the fast lane. But I thought I deserve it also, and ask the lady who made a picture of my face. She agrees, and manually opens the fast lane entrance. Thanks for that, very kind of her.

So, I was let in in front of the crowd of mostly FR and EZY public, watched the scene going on, which was quite a show here in LPL. Officers seemed strict, many people do their shoes off, many bags beep and people as well. Hmm… not my style. Also I do not like to take my shoes off.
I proceed in my usual way, iPad out of the bag, shoes on, … then the officer looks down and checks. He says ‘well, those trainers are fine, leave them on!’. Thank you! No beeping in the end, also my bag with camera equipment is not a problem here.

Now I had about 15 minutes to wait for Robert and Lee, both in the normal queue but seperated from each other. At least I was able to watch the whole scene which is actually quite entertaining. I know security is really important and neccesary, but sometimes those officers just to ‘strange’. And passengers, well… they just follow up their orders. That’s the way we travel in 2012.


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Your usual (souvenir) shop immediately behind the security checkpoint


So far no good impression of LPL, and when we walk inside the terminal, the shock got even bigger. What a DUMP! This airport is, in my opinion, ready to be demolished. I check out a few of the shops and the usual WH Smith do not have the travel book I was looking for.
Other details to mention are the worn carpet on the floor, with parts missing, so don’t stumble over when walking. The windows overlooking the tarmac are dirty on the outside, the waiting area at the gate are way to small and stains are on the wall. Swissport groundhandling staff are sitting on the floor and chewing gum, waiting for their next job. Aside from that, it’s Ryanair signage all around.


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Gate Area. At least there is 1 KLM advert on the wall



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Also very sophisticated light systems they have…



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Not really safe is it? I can open the window at the apron side.



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Let’s put the vending machine here, look the electric wire and the stains on the wall …


Our gate is number 30 apparently, this number was written in the middle of my boarding pass. And yes, it’s confirmed when the ‘wait in lounge’ changes to ‘go to gate 30’ at some point. Very interesting again, because the aircraft wasn’t even in. It still had to land and disembark. It’s pure nonsense to be at the gate at this small airport. Plus, there were not enough seats.


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No plane yet, but let’s go to the gate already. Here’s the result!


But at least, there was a window, so I was happy to be there when the Fokker 100 came in. I make some pictures until the ‘Swissport chewing gum girls’ come over with a Ryanair branded string. “Step back aside now, you have to wait BEHIND this line!” The already small area is reduced in space now even more when the girls take their position behind their wooden desk. But this is KLM I said, not Ryanair or whatever airline…


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KLM and the expected Fokker is finally arriving



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A good looking Fokker 100 arriving from Amsterdam


Anyway, the whole thing was quite shocking for me. This is not the way KLM wants their passengers to be treated, and moreover, those ladies working for Swissport and in charge, are not capable for this kind of job when full-service airlines are around.

But did I say Fokker 100? Yes… hmm an equipment change. I knew already in the morning that this was going to happen, so ‘mission Fokker 70’ fails here for Lee and Robert. For me it wasn’t really a big deal. I got a least a new registration on this flight, as somebody at KL was able to swop around 2 planes. Thanks Pieter!  

They got back some confidence when boarding was starting and they were yelling through the area for ‘cardholders’. Whatever ‘cardholders’ are, but that’s what she said. It was quite a hassle to work myself forward but at least I received priority boarding (not really important, but just for the sake of it). I ask the girl if the middle seat remains empty, but she said that she couldn’t check because it’s another system. Hmm… at every other airport and where I ask a question, staff is helpful and checking it out. Not in Liverpool. Shame again!

Well, let’s get myself onboard now, a few steps on the tarmac, walking up the Fokker 100s own stairs.


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Boarding the Fokker 100 for Amsterdam






















Date 01.03.2012
Flight KL1042
Route LPL-AMS
Aircraft Fokker 100
Registration PH-OFP
Scheduled Departure Time // Actual Departure Time 17:25 // 17:29
Scheduled Arrival Time // Actual Arrival Time 19:45 // 19:53
Class of Service Economy Class
Seat No. 05F



I come in and say ‘Hello’ in Dutch, and continue, ‘well, I’m happy to be onboard with you since the airport is a dump’. The purser looks at me and doesn’t understand. So I didn’t get it at once but she was a UK native and doesn’t speak a single word Dutch. Apparently we had to deal with the old AirUK/KLMuk crew. I say ‘never mind’ and want to continue my way.
But then, 2 men come back from the cabin and have a seating issue about seats in row 5. Double assigned. Hmm… strange, I say I had an issue with row 3 also, but that was solved. One of the 2 men was reseated in the back of the cabin. Again not the best impression here, plus, not the ‘KLM welcome’ I am used to and which makes this airline so ‘unique’?

When I sit down I notice the fantastic seat pitch on these Fokker 100’s, it’s 35” maybe, very generous. And comfortable seating too. The window shade is halfway down and won’t stay in ‘up position’, which is of course to be expected from these older aircraft and soon to be retired.

Passengers were all on board soon, the middle seat remains empty. Well, I’m happy again. Let’s go now. But then the audio tape used for the safety demonstratoin is not working. And with 2 crewmembers on this flight, and the overwing exit on this airplane, it’s impossible to do the safety demo now.
So, one crew does the vocals, while the other does the manual demo. This is repeated for the second half of the cabin later on.

Meanwhile we taxied out, and the crew was pretty late. They finished the demo and (very quick) cabin check just when we are to line up the runway. The overall impression I got was that this crew was stressed, maybe caused by the short turnaround they had, some boarding issues and the broken audio system.


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Lining up for departure. Runway 27 if you didn’t notice the sign.


We have a nice takeoff roll, and upfront, this aircraft is very quiet also making sure for a comfortable hop to AMS. We take the skies and I was offered some great views on the airport, it’s surrounding areas, beautiful evening light with a setting sun. We had a very smooth climb out under this beautiful conditions.


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Airborne again. Note the several Ryanair 737-800’s parked on the apron (jobless?)



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Turning away, runway visible



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Climbing to higher levels in this beautiful evening light


Service on this flight was 1 drink and choice of a granola bar or a small bag of salty snackbites. I take the usualy white wine, which drinks quite pleasant on KL, and get the granola bar.
No further coffee/tea was offered. In my opinion, this service is sufficient, but on the other side, I have mixed feelings and would’ve expected a small sandwich hence the time of the day. Plus, coffee/tea can be offered and is mostly the case on KLM mainline flights I take. I was not totally satisfied, and even BA serves more on a short domestic service between LGW and MAN.


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KLM cityhopper - little service: one granola bar and a drink


Outside is a setting sun to enjoy, and I listen to my music for the duration of this flight.


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I enjoy beautiful views with a gorgeous sun…



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… the sun is finally setting when the night comes in


During descend to AMS, the captain informs about the weather; misty condition, 9°C and Southwesterly wind. During approach the cabin crew switched off all cabin lights completely, so total darkness in the cabin. Usually, one of the lights is reduced or kept on. But, it is nice to experience the landing in darkness this way. We had a smooth touchdown on runway 18R, also wellknown as the ‘Polderbaan’, located somewhere ‘in the farm fields’, resulting in 15 more minutes taxi time.

Blockin was on the commuter apron, about 10 minutes late. 2 buses were waiting to pickup the passengers. At least one more picture moment for me.


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Disembarking. One more view to PH-OFP, which is due for retirement in late 2012


I meet up with Robert and Lee again in the arrival hall, since they came on the other bus. We walk towards immigration, proceeded quite quickly, and delivered Lee back to the departure level and the security gate for his onward connection on easyJet to BSL. Next time, you make sure to spend the night in Amsterdam Lee! Btw, don’t miss out his report: Flying Before Route Axing (by AlwaysOnAPlane Mar 8 2012 in Trip Reports)

Robert decides to have a late dinner at the airport, where I catch my train home. It was a nice flying a.net meeting, good company of the guys, sunny weather in the UK, great flights on BA with very good service performance. KLM was an experience also, especially seeing the terrible airport called LPL, the groundstaff… well, once onboard it was ok, but also not the KLM I want to see and usually get. KLM gets my business again next week and they can do their best again to get me satisfied.

Thanks for reading, and I hope you like the pictures again.

Regards
Eric

Next: Part 3 of my Indonesia travels… Leaving Lombok including pictures from the island


"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6939 posts, RR: 77
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months ago) and read 7417 times:

Hi Eric,

great report with high-quality pictures! But I wouldn't expect anything else from you!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Soon this flight will be operated by the new B737-900ER’s TK recently got. Maybe it’s something to do for me, since this (sub)type is missing so far.

Yes, good idea. I'm sure the interior on TK is much more comfortable than on JT...

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
View from ‘the bridge’. Just stunning!

  

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I supported them a bit by buying a 2012 registration book. I will hardly use it, but I feel sorry for those 2 men sitting all day long in the tiny shop with almost no buying customers.

Good job!   

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Note the several Ryanair 737-800’s parked on the apron (jobless?)

I wish they were...

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Next: Part 3 of my Indonesia travels… Leaving Lombok including pictures from the island

I'm looking forward to that!


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlinejrn216 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2012, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months ago) and read 7305 times:

I enjoyed your review and it seemed quite familiar to me because I travel with British Airways to and from Gatwick quite frequently so I am very familiar with the 737s and the less common A319. The service is always good, flights are reliable and the cabin crew friendly. A free bar service is unusual on a lot of flights these days so it’s always an added benefit. How did you find the condition of the 734? It’s the one complaint I read that the interior is passing its best, which is true to an extent, but it’s never been a particular issue for me and I suspect the aircraft will be flying for a few more years yet.

British Airways Terraces at Gatwick is still quite a good lounge. It has been reduced in size and it can be difficult to get a seat in the morning, but later in the afternoon is normally relaxing watching aircraft with a seat near the window. It has an OK selection of food/drink and free Wi-Fi, which is definitely better than sitting in the terminal if you’ve got a longish connection.

[Edited 2012-03-26 11:37:17]

User currently offlineadamspotter From Netherlands, joined Feb 2011, 1177 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7224 times:
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Hoi Eric,
Like always, nice report with some very nice pictures included! Too bad about the not so good service with KLM and service on BA looks pretty nice for such short hops

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
and some views on the apron where a handfull of DL aircraft were parked at the E-concourse. A daily happening in the morning hours in AMS, quite impressive to say at least.

Every day when I pass AMS on my way to work and I still find it impressive to see all those DL aircraft at the concourse

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
The ‘old’ BA seating onboard. But very comfortable!

Sure is comfortable

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
since we had to cross the taxiway by the famous bridge. It is really impressive, and a joy to walk over the aircraft taxiing below you.

Wow, very impressive indeed!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I checked in on seat 03A, and was quite surprised. I told the lady to change me back to 03A, but she refused since 03A was taken already. Well, why do you relocate me?

Pretty weird that that happened. Not good customer service at all

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
So far no good impression of LPL, and when we walk inside the terminal, the shock got even bigger. What a DUMP!

You say it perfectly, what a DUMP!

Looking forward to your next part in Indonesia!
cheers,
adamspotter // Brendan

[Edited 2012-03-26 12:14:28]

User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1715 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6942 times:

Hoi Eric, nice report with some stunning pictures as always. Seemed like you and the guys had a good time together.

Now time for some additional comments, and I must say Eric some of your opinions are wrong. So it's only fair that I too play a game of good-"cop-bad-cop", if you don't mind i.e  
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Where Robert firstly decided to fly out on easyJet, he later changed his mind and booked himself also seats on my flights with BA, giving him another new airport (LGW) and complimentary lounge access on my oneworld Sapphire status on BA.

That's a very clever choice of Robert to get some more value for his money, and of course very kind of you to guest him into the lounges. I would be very happy to guest you some time if you ever need, and I expect you'd do the same for me.  
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
But here, unfortunately BA changed their mind and scheduled an Airbus A319 on this service.

Well I'd say the A319 is to prefer over any old 737. But shame for Robert not getting to log the B734 (unless he've already done so)

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
At the airport we walked up to Terminal 3, where BA has it's counters and where I picked up my 2 boarding passes at the desk. I was served immediately by a friendly agent.

Nice that the staff were friendly to you, did you present the card to them? Also how come Robert couldn't get his BP's from the counter? I'm sure they would've allowed him if he was together with you.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
But the airport staff to coordinate things was not really keen on her job; a lot of regular travellers jumped over to the shorter priority lane.

Don't they have someone to scan the BP's before passing security like they do at most other airports? At ARN the fasttrack is completely separated from the regular lane, and the officers guard it closely.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Annex of the famous Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam.

Ah, it's striking how similar Dutch is to Swedish. In Sweden we call it Riksmuseum. Maybe Robert pointed that out already?

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
He promised to make a boarding call, which is common practise in this louge anyway.

Well makes sense since all passengers are on the same flight anyway… Unless AY and IB use the lounge also.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
A female business type lady on the aisle seat.

Why didn't Robert sit next to you?

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
We taxied for about 100 meters and were welcomed by the runway already.

Wow that's unusual for AMS, suppose it was a one-off? Usually it's the Polderbaan it seems.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
We decided to take a table in the middle and helped ourselves with some food.

Again I'd say you're wrong there. That didn't look much like food, more like light snacks to me. Did they even have any proper food on offer in that lounge?

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
The (vegetarian) sandwich I got on this short flight

That service looks very generous. I remember back in the days when BA only served a granola bar on this route. Suppose it shows that the IAG Group is doing good now.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
The gate was 55D, just turn right once you get out of the lounge and you%u2019re there.

Seems like common practice for the most popular routes. In ARN the CPH flights use the gates closest to the lounge e.g Gate 1, etc. Same applies for CPH. So now you know till next time, so you can stay until final call, haha  
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Not really the type of paper you would expect at this type of traveller though.

Well I don't see anything wrong with that, you shouldn't be so generalizing Eric since most of the times everything isn't the way it seems. Much like my passenger type isn't expected to read Newsweek, and so on.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I get myself a G&T

That's a great choice. Again very generous service from BA!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I will hardly use it, but I feel sorry for those 2 men sitting all day long in the tiny shop with almost no buying customers.

I really don't see a point to buy things for pity's sake, if you don't need it don't buy it. I'm sure they're doing good business anyway. Maybe you should give that book to PH next time you meet him, haha.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
To avoid creditcard surcharges we decided to take something to bite as well. Plus good aviation talk, what else you need on such a day!

Hmm, and how much exactly did they require people to spend in order to avoid the CC surcharge?

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I went to the priority counter and requested the printout of my boarding pass.

So you couldn't let Lee and Robert pick up their BP's there also?

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Finally the best she could offer was 05F, the row of 3 seats on the Fokker. She promised to try her best to keep the middle seat free. Well, not the best impression so far.

Maybe you should've done OLCI the night before and avoid this issue. At least the woman was doing her best in granting your request, so I don't really see a point to complain there.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Aside from that, it's Ryanair signage all around.

And what's the reason for this sudden change of opinion? I thought you liked this airline, since last night you only had good things to say about them. But if you don't like them now that's good, since then we've finally something to agree upon 
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
When I sit down I notice the fantastic seat pitch on these Fokker 100’s, it’s 35” maybe, very generous.

Nice to hear that the Fokker 100 is built after the Dutchmen, unlike the Fokker 50 which is very cramped.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Next: Part 3 of my Indonesia travels… Leaving Lombok including pictures from the island

Looking forward to that one!  

"Wheels Up!"
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User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From UK - England, joined Sep 2003, 5186 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6935 times:

Hoi, Eric,

really good to follow that whole ride from you´re point of view.
BA seems doing well, KL with the ancient Fokker´s sure also but no F70 this time for you.
Saw the same during the weekend with two OS/VO legs scheduled on the ´70 changed now for the '100, we will see.

Nice pictures btw.

Greetings,
Markus(FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlinechopchop767 From Italy, joined Aug 2010, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6923 times:

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
We now head off to the BA Terraces lounge, for a more substantial breakfast. We were addressed very friendly, typically BA or British, dunno… we felt welcome from the moment the greeted me and Robert.

Hello Eric,

Thanks for the outstanding trip report. I have had the pleasure of utilizing the Terraces Lounge at LGW on a handful of occasions and have to say that I was highly impressed. Not only were the lounge agents polite and professional, but the snacking options were very substantial. BA does a great job in that aspect. It's nice to note that this is the standard for them, rather than the exception.

As for the 'old' BA chairs, while they look horrendous, they are super comfortable; far more so that LH or AF's new thin seats.

Sorry to hear the LPL was such a dump.



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User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6791 times:

Hi all,

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
great report with high-quality pictures! But I wouldn't expect anything else from you!
Quoting adamspotter (Reply 3):
Like always, nice report with some very nice pictures included!
Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
Hoi Eric, nice report with some stunning pictures as always
Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 5):
really good to follow that whole ride from you´re point of view.
Quoting chopchop767 (Reply 6):
Thanks for the outstanding trip report

Thanks guys, really appreciated!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
good idea. I'm sure the interior on TK is much more comfortable than on JT...

I'm sure we can be certain about that... TK is a fantastic airline so far

Quoting jrn216 (Reply 2):
I travel with British Airways to and from Gatwick quite frequently so I am very familiar with the 737s and the less common A319. The service is always good, flights are reliable and the cabin crew friendly. A free bar service is unusual on a lot of flights these days so it’s always an added benefit. How did you find the condition of the 734? It’s the one complaint I read that the interior is passing its best, which is true to an extent, but it’s never been a particular issue for me and I suspect the aircraft will be flying for a few more years yet.

I did a lot of A319's to/from LHR on BA, but this was my first time to/from LGW. Before, all my LGW flights on BA were on the aging 734's, which are always great to fly. The seating is same as on the A319, maybe a bit more used, but not really bad and still comfortable. Also for me, no problem at all.

Quoting jrn216 (Reply 2):
It has been reduced in size and it can be difficult to get a seat in the morning, but later in the afternoon is normally relaxing watching aircraft with a seat near the window.

I visited the lounge some months ago several times in late afternoon and was very comfortable. Enough vacant seats back then, nice food options and a good view. That's all we need  
Quoting adamspotter (Reply 3):
Every day when I pass AMS on my way to work and I still find it impressive to see all those DL aircraft at the concourse

I think coming summer even more DL flights are coming to AMS!

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
Now time for some additional comments, and I must say Eric some of your opinions are wrong. So it's only fair that I too play a game of good-"cop-bad-cop", if you don't mind i.e

You can have your opinion Jonas... I know and hope it will change some day, though.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
That's a very clever choice of Robert to get some more value for his money,

He lost the money paid to easyJet after all, so it's still good value in your eyes?

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
. I would be very happy to guest you some time if you ever need, and I expect you'd do the same for me

I know you would be happy to get yourself guested into any lounge. And, if that day ever comes, that is not a problem for me to do for you. From myself, I will not ask aforehand about such things, and will just see what ever comes on my path and if I am offered a visit (or not). It's not so important for me to be honest.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
Well I'd say the A319 is to prefer over any old 737. But shame for Robert not getting to log the B734 (unless he've already done so)

If you read carefully, you would've known that Robert was looking after the 737-400, so it was a pity for him that it became an A319

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
Nice that the staff were friendly to you, did you present the card to them?

No I don't present the card, why would I? It's in my booking profile so the staff will notice anyway.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
Also how come Robert couldn't get his BP's from the counter? I'm sure they would've allowed him if he was together with you.

No need to think about that Jonas. Robert already arranged his own boarding pass the evening before. It's not really an issue either, we can also use one of the dozens of self service kiosks at AMS.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
Don't they have someone to scan the BP's before passing security like they do at most other airports? At ARN the fasttrack is completely separated from the regular lane, and the officers guard it closely.

In AMS, this is done manually, and just a simple sign above the lane. No scanners or whatever. So it's easy to make mistakes or overlook things, especially when staff is not so interested in their job.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
Well makes sense since all passengers are on the same flight anyway… Unless AY and IB use the lounge also.

Of course, IB and AY do not use the lounge because that is impossible. Spain and Finland are in the Schengen zone, the UK isn't, so it's a different secure-area.

Aside from that, all passengers are NOT on the same flight in this lounge Jonas, why do you assume this? BA have dozens of daily flights to AMS, and don't be surprised to have 4 BA aircraft on the groud at similar times especially in the mornings. LHR, LCY, LGW are all served, so there is a good mix of passengers from all these flights in the lougne. Boarding calls do make sense indeed.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
Why didn't Robert sit next to you?

Because he had a different seat row? (preference)

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
Wow that's unusual for AMS, suppose it was a one-off? Usually it's the Polderbaan it seems.

Not unusual at all. As you might know, runway use is decided on wind direction and traffic flow. This changes throughout the day, especially in AMS. You cannot say 'usually it is Polderbaan'. So this is not so say a one-off.
By coincidence the gate and departure runway were closely located to eachother.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
I remember back in the days when BA only served a granola bar on this route.

When did you fly this route? As you could read, I mentioned that I never received anything different then a sandwich on my BA AMS-London flights.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
Again I'd say you're wrong there. That didn't look much like food, more like light snacks to me. Did they even have any proper food on offer in that lounge?

WTF?! This is very standard breakfast offering in Europe Jonas. I'm sure you don't expect lounges to serve salmon, hot meals, soup and cheese platter for breakfast don't you? Interesting to see you classify a croissant as a snack. For me, it's a piece of bread...

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
Seems like common practice for the most popular routes.

I don't know if this is a common gate for BA's LGW-MAN service, neither do I know if this is their most popular route, so I can't comment.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
Well I don't see anything wrong with that, you shouldn't be so generalizing Eric since most of the times everything isn't the way it seems.

If you re-read you see I am not generalizing Jonas. Just I mention the business-type (and dressed) woman is reading this Daily Mail cartoons and laughing 'loudly' in her seat. Just something I notice, quite funny actually, I had to laugh myself a bit about her hehe. There is nothing wrong with that, did I say so?! No.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
I really don't see a point to buy things for pity's sake, if you don't need it don't buy it. I'm sure they're doing good business anyway. Maybe you should give that book to PH next time you meet him, haha.

I'm sure PH has a very nice registration book already himself.
Aside from that, I feel sorry for the 2 poor guys, and I am very sure they are NOT doing a good business at this airport. A few pounds for the book is worth the money, a 'nice to have item' for me.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
Hmm, and how much exactly did they require people to spend in order to avoid the CC surcharge?

Surely too much money in your opinion, but for Lee, Robert and me it was all fine...

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
So you couldn't let Lee and Robert pick up their BP's there also?

It was very quiet at these desks as you can see in the picture so 1 used the other desk and I think Lee had a home-printed one. I think only you would make an issue about 'which desk to use', we really don't care  
Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
Maybe you should've done OLCI the night before and avoid this issue. At least the woman was doing her best in granting your request, so I don't really see a point to complain there.

Read Jonas!!
I DID check-in on 03A. At home. So I have a reason to complain. My seat was given away to somebody else, which is defintily not the right thing to do by an airline. This is probably caused by the a/c change, but that wouldn't make any difference not to give me back the same seat (F70 to F100 is no difference for these front rows)

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
And what's the reason for this sudden change of opinion? I thought you liked this airline, since last night you only had good things to say about them.

You don't really see the point neither do you understand other opinions.
This is about a KLM flight, in a departure lounge full of FR adverts, baggage weight carts with FR logo, straps to seperate boarding lanes with FR logo, etc. KLM is not really visible in this dump terminal, that's where it's all about.

Aside from that, I have no special bad opinion about FR. They're very fine for me when I need to fly them.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
Nice to hear that the Fokker 100 is built after the Dutchmen, unlike the Fokker 50 which is very cramped.

Another bold and false statement by you. Seatpitch depends on how many inches legroom the airline decides to give to their passengers. Or, which type of seat they use. This has nothing to do with the aircraft type in particular.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 5):
BA seems doing well, KL with the ancient Fokker´s sure also but no F70 this time for you.

For me no problem with the F100 you know, but I feel sorry for Robert and Lee about it.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 5):
Saw the same during the weekend with two OS/VO legs scheduled on the ´70 changed now for the '100, we will see.

Good to hear, only done VO F70 once myself, more often the F100. Looking forward to read about your story again.

Quoting chopchop767 (Reply 6):
I have had the pleasure of utilizing the Terraces Lounge at LGW on a handful of occasions and have to say that I was highly impressed. Not only were the lounge agents polite and professional, but the snacking options were very substantial. BA does a great job in that aspect

I think BA's lounges are among the best in Europe, generally spoken.

Quoting chopchop767 (Reply 6):
As for the 'old' BA chairs, while they look horrendous, they are super comfortable; far more so that LH or AF's new thin seats.

Fully agree!

Regards
Eric



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User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6489 times:

Hi Eric,
Nice trip report and I particularly like the splendid sunset shot with its hues of orange, pink and purple.

What a contrast in the staff service attitude between those at AMS, LGW and those at LPL. Your description of the latter airport does make it seem to be expressive of a socially and economically depressed area.

I suppose the mix up with seat allocations resulted from the change in equipment, but even so, it is a big difference between 3A and row 18.

Good to hear that you, Robert and Lee were able to spend some time together doing what A.netters like to do.

Thanks for sharing,

Roy / Quokkas


User currently offlinesultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1788 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6428 times:

Hi there Mr Eric Airbus  

Pretty nice report oce again. Some fabulous pics as well (the late evening sun!) contribute very well your story. Good experiences both on BA and KLM. What a pity for Robert to miss out on his goals: first the 734 missed and then the F70. Well at least, you got that soon-to-be-gone F100 in return which is quite nice as well. And indeed LPL: shame on you. A major letdown experience and it’s maybe a good thing KLM shuts this route down because clearly they can’t offer their pax their usual mode of practice...

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
It takes about 15 minutes to reach the BA gates at the end of the D-concourse.

And hear me complaining about the walking distances @ BRU... AMS as well has it’s fair share of walks. One good thing though: it keeps you fit  

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I decide to ask for OJ, which was served in the small pre-packed cup. A bit of small quantity in my opinion, but more then adequate for this short flight.

A good thing, that prepacked cup: you can take it if you don’t really want it at the moment and it saves the crew time by not having to pour in glasses.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
My camera bag was found save enough to travel,… but now my jacket seemed suspicious. The officer probably confused herself, and it was all found OK by another officer. We had a good laugh about it when I said it’s usually my bag which causes concerns.

Your love/hate relationship with security going strong here.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
One more view, with ‘the bridge’ in the background. Impressive!

Impressive indeed. That bridge seems quite high?

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Soon this flight will be operated by the new B737-900ER’s TK recently got. Maybe it’s something to do for me, since this (sub)type is missing so far.

That’s new to me and very interesting indeed. Are those replacements for other types in the fleet? Where will they be deployed?

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
This was done and I noticed my seat was at row 18, definitely not my choice. I checked in on seat 03A, and was quite surprised. I told the lady to change me back to 03A, but she refused since 03A was taken already. Well, why do you relocate me?

Yes, why? What’s the point in checking in online to have it all changed again. In my work terms this would be called ‘not lean’ 

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
But I thought I deserve it also, and ask the lady who made a picture of my face

Airport security in the UK is really ridiculous. But then again you have a bit of a criminal look on you  

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
But this is KLM I said, not Ryanair or whatever airline…

   What a remark! I think they couldn’t care less...

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Whatever ‘cardholders’ are, but that’s what she said.

So you started waving your Albert Heijn fidelity card?

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
it’s 35” maybe, very generous.

35”? No...

Sultanils



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User currently offlineLXM83 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 610 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6365 times:

Hello airbuseric

Nice report. It shows that for a nice aviation adventure it's not always necessary to have a complicated and twisted routing on exotic carriers.

Too bad though that you got a BA 319 twice... always a pleasure to fly on the Fokkers.

LPL is not really an airport for full service carriers as this report showed! So maybe no suprise KL wasn't sucessful there.

Cheers, LXM83


User currently onlinejwhite9185 From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 1404 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6213 times:

Nice read over lunch!

I'll be trying to get on the F70 to AMS over the summer hopefully!



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User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6160 times:

Hi guys,

thank you for your new replies,

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 8):
Nice trip report and I particularly like the splendid sunset shot with its hues of orange, pink and purple.

It was beautiful indeed, I enjoyed every second of it!

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 8):
Your description of the latter airport does make it seem to be expressive of a socially and economically depressed area.

Could very well be true. The LPL area is indeed not the most thriving area in the UK

Quoting sultanils (Reply 9):
Hi there Mr Eric Airbus

Jaja...

Quoting sultanils (Reply 9):
And indeed LPL: shame on you. A major letdown experience and it’s maybe a good thing KLM shuts this route down because clearly they can’t offer their pax their usual mode of practice...

Also my point. This airport should not get any full-service carrier anymore.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 9):
And hear me complaining about the walking distances @ BRU... AMS as well has it’s fair share of walks. One good thing though: it keeps you fit

It saves on the subscription of the fitness, (I still need to cancel it now) haha

Quoting sultanils (Reply 9):
Your love/hate relationship with security going strong here.

Usually it's not so bad, like this UK experience. For me personally, it was not a problem at all in the end, but the whole show performed there showed me that LPL security can be quite annoying...

Quoting sultanils (Reply 9):
That’s new to me and very interesting indeed. Are those replacements for other types in the fleet? Where will they be deployed?

I heard IST-KGL or ABJ, at least some longer routes into Africa. And IST-MAN was announced.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 9):
Yes, why? What’s the point in checking in online to have it all changed again.

Also my opinion... confusing...

Quoting sultanils (Reply 9):
But then again you have a bit of a criminal look on you

Do I? Hmm...

Quoting sultanils (Reply 9):
35”? No...

Yes! I flew MH to KUL, which is 34", on this Fokker 100 particularly, it was more legroom, so it must be over 34". Maybe in the forward rows only? Can't comment on that with assurance.

Quoting LXM83 (Reply 10):
It shows that for a nice aviation adventure it's not always necessary to have a complicated and twisted routing on exotic carriers.

Also my idea. Just a nice day out with some flying.

Quoting LXM83 (Reply 10):
LPL is not really an airport for full service carriers as this report showed! So maybe no suprise KL wasn't sucessful there.

Could very well be true indeed. Not the airport or area which attracts the full-service airlines.

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 11):
I'll be trying to get on the F70 to AMS over the summer hopefully!

Good idea! You've many routes from the UK to AMS, so should work out fine. LPL-AMS will be gone though...

Regards
Eric



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User currently offlineFlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1706 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5905 times:

Hey Eric,

Another great report with terrific pictures - love especially the sunset pictures on your way back to AMS.

Great idea to do some joint (I won't pull the same joke here) flights with Robert & Lee, two great guys who I've had the honor of meeting more than once! Sad to see the LPL route going, those one way fares could have come in handy at some point.

BA looked it usual good, I'm quite sad to see more and more Airbii being introduced at Gatwick - those 734s certainly were quite long in the tooth with rather shabby interiors but still they were REAL planes.

I've never flown from LPL but flew there once and my experience matches yours - it is quite a dingy and sad low cost -oriented airport. The immigration room was a horribly shabby one and it was freezing cold in February, despite them having a couple of smelly electric heaters there on the corners of the room (really classy). That's what you get with low cost airports - there's a pressure to keep the fees low so there's hardly any budget for renovations and they have to maximize the retail areas to guarantee some cashflow. Plus you have the typical low cost passengers there which of course tends to turn the airport staff a certain way as well, just like you experienced.

A bad thing with that seating issue on KLM, but judging from my recent experience with a same kind of issue it seems to happen. Let's see how they perform on my flights with them next weekend.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
Seems like common practice for the most popular routes. In ARN the CPH flights use the gates closest to the lounge e.g Gate 1, etc. Same applies for CPH. So now you know till next time, so you can stay until final call, haha  

That is another generalization, this time from Jonas himself. Yes, generally the CPH and OSL flights tend to use the low numbered gates at ARN. But in CPH I've departed to ARN & OSL most of the times from the B pier which isn't exactly closest to the lounge (the D Schengen stub is).

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 7):
Of course, IB and AY do not use the lounge because that is impossible. Spain and Finland are in the Schengen zone, the UK isn't, so it's a different secure-area.

Well it is not really impossible as in most airports you can easily pass into non-Schengen and back to access the lounge as long as you have some form of travel document with you. I've personally done this at CDG T1 and many people do it at FRA to access the nice LH Senator Lounge at non-Schengen B. But inconvenient it certainly is, requiring a security rescreening to get back to gate!


User currently offlineinfodesk From Switzerland, joined May 2006, 1466 posts, RR: 33
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5846 times:

Hi Eric,

Well, this one made for very interesting reading. As always I enjoyed your wonderful photographs.

Nice to see you got a vegetarian sandwich on BA without any trouble. They offer a good service on the short flights you took. LON-MAN is still missing in my log, must rectify this soon. KLM's offerings could be more generous I think, especially when you think I got the same snack on all 4 legs although the ZRH-AMS flight took 1hr15.


Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Again, a female business style traveller, laughing sponteneously throughout the flight once she read some cartoons in the Daily Mail. Not really the type of paper you would expect at this type of traveller though.

Well, look on the bright side, it could have been worse than the Mail  
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
This was done and I noticed my seat was at row 18, definitely not my choice. I checked in on seat 03A, and was quite surprised. I told the lady to change me back to 03A, but she refused since 03A was taken already. Well, why do you relocate me?
Finally the best she could offer was 05F, the row of ‘3’ seats on the Fokker. She promised to try her best to keep the middle seat free. Well, not the best impression so far.

I quite agree that this isn't on. As you say, the aircraft change shouldn't have a bearing on the front rows. I would have been cross too in such a situation.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Officers seemed strict, many people do their shoes off, many bags beep and people as well. Hmm… not my style. Also I do not like to take my shoes off.

I've got into the habit of removing my shoes all the time, they were setting the alarm off at work so it's easier this way. I don't mind, it's not a big hassle.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
again, because the aircraft wasn’t even in. It still had to land and disembark. It’s pure nonsense to be at the gate at this small airport. Plus, there were not enough seats.

Strange, when I flew out of LPL I went to the gate as soon as it was announced and the aircraft was already in.

OK, and now to the criticism of LPL:

I'm sorry that you have such an awful impression of my "home" airport.

Liverpool airport has never professed to be an award winning, state of the art place. Take Manchester, posters are plastered over the walls as to how many awards its won (not sure how) and yet there are so many basic things wrong there (No E passport lines at T3 arrivals, constantly broken travelators, ancient car park lifts that are frequently out of order, certain cold & draughty gate areas, complete lack of seats at check-in). This irritates me more than damaged carpet and stained walls at a low cost terminal at Liverpool (although I agree the open window was bad).

Yes, perhaps LPL as an airport isn't up to a full service carrier like KLM. It was an attempt that failed and that's a disappointment for me and I'm sure many others. However, having grown up 25 miles away from the airport, I'm saddened by certain comments that have been left here. The airport's location at Speke is not one of the nicest parts of the world, that I will grant you. Gang crime, drugs, shootings etc. However, there are very different parts of the city. There are also many towns close by, such as West Kirby, Hoylake & Heswall on the Wirral and Chester to the south, all of which are affluent places with high house prices. To say that this is not an area that attracts full service carriers is questionable imo. The catchment area extends far beyond the grotty houses you see in Speke. I'm sure there are plenty of people there happy to have the opportunity to fly on such carriers. Me, I would choose LPL over MAN. Ok, I'm no business traveller & don't need lounges or extensive shopping options, but it's convenient and practical. Sadly I tried out the KLM route too late, or else I would have used it again without hesitation.

You're right, there were a lot of FR adverts at the gate. But then I guess they are the biggest carrier there so it didn't bother me personally (and believe me, I am no FR fan). For me it made interesting reading, as I had forgotten just how many routes they operate out of LPL.

As for the staff at Liverpool, my experience was the complete opposite. All the people I dealt with were friendly, with the exception of one member of staff in WHSmiths. I was told at check-in and prior to security that I could use the fast track lane at no extra cost, despite having no status on KLM. I'm sorry that your dealings with them were so negative.

Sorry, just had to get all that off my chest  

My report will be up in the next couple of days so you can see how I got on.

Happy flying
Infodesk   



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User currently offlineeurowings From UK - England, joined Sep 2011, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5817 times:

Hi Eric,

Thanks for the report, a nice comparison between BA and KL.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
It’s recently refurbished, with a ‘own’ security checkpoint for several gates, used by BA.

I saw this being constructed and I think it's a good idea personally.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
As usual on my BA flights from AMS they have a sandwich on offer in Economy Class, despite so many people mentioning that this is not common. I don’t really know, but I honestly never got something else afaik

The policy changed a few years ago. Morning flights departing before 10am always receive a sandwich or something similar. However, it's supposed to be a small snack (like what you received on LGW-MAN) after 10am. Variations may well occur though.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
He says ‘well, those trainers are fine, leave them on

There isn't really a fixed policy on taking shoes off at UK airports, normally it's not required (unless you're wearing boots e.t.c).

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
So far no good impression of LPL, and when we walk inside the terminal, the shock got even bigger. What a DUMP! This airport is, in my opinion, ready to be demolished. I check out a few of the shops and the usual WH Smith do not have the travel book I was looking for.
Other details to mention are the worn carpet on the floor, with parts missing, so don’t stumble over when walking. The windows overlooking the tarmac are dirty on the outside, the waiting area at the gate are way to small and stains are on the wall. Swissport groundhandling staff are sitting on the floor and chewing gum, waiting for their next job. Aside from that, it’s Ryanair signage all around.
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Could very well be true. The LPL area is indeed not the most thriving area in the UK

I travel through LPL three or four times each year and personally, I don't find it so bad. It's not my favourite airport by far, but not the worst. It's low cost and 'does the job' - nothing more and I wouldn't expect it flying BE/EZY/FR. The front portion of the terminal (check-in and main shopping area) was built in 2002 and is an adequate standard (in my opinion). LPL is undergoing refurbishment with the first stages - the new security checkpoint and first shopping area - complete. The area you described is a really old part of the terminal which accommodates Ryanair (and did serve KLM). It's poor. The other end of the terminal where the easyJet flights depart from are considerably better.

To a large extent, LPL shares its passenger catchment area with MAN, that's the problem. MAN takes the premium traffic, leaving LPL with low cost traffic. It's not about the economic status of the LPL area (the airport is within easy driving distance of some quite wealthy areas), and Liverpool in general has been boosted in recent years and isn't massively different to Manchester really.

Thanks
EuroWings

[Edited 2012-03-27 13:45:25]

User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5777 times:

Hi, boys and girls   Thank you so much for reading and your comments,

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 13):
- love especially the sunset pictures on your way back to AMS

Specially for you P,. I know you like these sunset shots

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 13):
Sad to see the LPL route going, those one way fares could have come in handy at some point.

Indeed, great fares even for oneways on this portion.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 13):
BA looked it usual good, I'm quite sad to see more and more Airbii being introduced at Gatwick - those 734s certainly were quite long in the tooth with rather shabby interiors but still they were REAL planes.

Give me the 737-400 also everyday over the 'boring' A319s

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 13):
I've never flown from LPL but flew there once and my experience matches yours - it is quite a dingy and sad low cost -oriented airport. The immigration room was a horribly shabby one and it was freezing cold in February, despite them having a couple of smelly electric heaters there on the corners of the room (really classy). That's what you get with low cost airports - there's a pressure to keep the fees low so there's hardly any budget for renovations and they have to maximize the retail areas to guarantee some cashflow. Plus you have the typical low cost passengers there which of course tends to turn the airport staff a certain way as well, just like you experienced.

I think that's a good point. The type of airline and it's passengers make for a large part the atmosphere at an airport, and the staff. Sad, but true it seems.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 13):
A bad thing with that seating issue on KLM, but judging from my recent experience with a same kind of issue it seems to happen. Let's see how they perform on my flights with them next weekend.

Interestingly also here, 2x KL flights booked for upcoming Saturday. Let's see again  
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 13):
Well it is not really impossible as in most airports you can easily pass into non-Schengen and back to access the lounge as long as you have some form of travel document with you.

I really wonder if this would be possible in AMS. Probably the securtity staff will send you away, but it would be an interesting try in AMS somday.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 14):
Well, this one made for very interesting reading. As always I enjoyed your wonderful photographs.

Thank you Hannah, to take the time to express your opinion, especially on the LPL situation. I really find it interesting to read. You should know that the opinion I got was just taken from the short time spend at the airport, my observations and the happenings. I was not correct in mentioning about the whole LPL catchment areas situation, it's too generally spoken by me. Of course, I did note the type of houses in the direct airport area, and can make a judgement, which left the opinion I took home with me. Sad isn't it? I think big brother MAN is too closely located to generate interesting traffic for LPL, but as said by user 'Eurowings', the renovations might make a big change at LPL soon, changing for the better I suppose.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 14):
Nice to see you got a vegetarian sandwich on BA without any trouble. They offer a good service on the short flights you took.

BA gives me a very satisfied feeling lately. Kudos to them!

Quoting infodesk (Reply 14):
KLM's offerings could be more generous I think, especially when you think I got the same snack on all 4 legs although the ZRH-AMS flight took 1hr15.

Hmm, I'm really surprised. I wonder if this is kind of cost saving things within KLM, since it seems to be something from the last weeks...

Quoting infodesk (Reply 14):
I've got into the habit of removing my shoes all the time, they were setting the alarm off at work so it's easier this way. I don't mind, it's not a big hassle.

Never in AMS, unless you have the large boots on or metal parts on it. So I'm maybe just not used to this procedure.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 14):
Strange, when I flew out of LPL I went to the gate as soon as it was announced and the aircraft was already in.

Maybe I had to mention that our Fokker 100 was incoming slightly delayed, nothing bad though. The quick turnaround made a nearly ontime departure possible again.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 14):
I'm sorry that you have such an awful impression of my "home" airport.

Sorry for that, as mentioned already, it was the feeling I took home with me.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 14):
Yes, perhaps LPL as an airport isn't up to a full service carrier like KLM. It was an attempt that failed and that's a disappointment for me and I'm sure many others. However, having grown up 25 miles away from the airport, I'm saddened by certain comments that have been left here. The airport's location at Speke is not one of the nicest parts of the world, that I will grant you. Gang crime, drugs, shootings etc. However, there are very different parts of the city. There are also many towns close by, such as West Kirby, Hoylake & Heswall on the Wirral and Chester to the south, all of which are affluent places with high house prices. To say that this is not an area that attracts full service carriers is questionable imo. The catchment area extends far beyond the grotty houses you see in Speke

I really appreciate your info Hannah, and I should not see it too generally. I think LPL can do very well with LCC's, and the full service go to MAN. Maybe in the future we might see some smaller aircraft operating into LPL again when the renovations of the terminal have been completed?

Quoting infodesk (Reply 14):
Me, I would choose LPL over MAN. Ok, I'm no business traveller & don't need lounges or extensive shopping options, but it's convenient and practical. Sadly I tried out the KLM route too late, or else I would have used it again without hesitation.

For me, no problem to take LPL again, it's just for being there for a short while. But I prefer MAN though.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 14):
You're right, there were a lot of FR adverts at the gate. But then I guess they are the biggest carrier there so it didn't bother me personally (and believe me, I am no FR fan). For me it made interesting reading, as I had forgotten just how many routes they operate out of LPL.

Impressive indeed. All 3 of us where looking at the FR map with all destinations and saw airports we even never heard about hehe.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 14):
I was told at check-in and prior to security that I could use the fast track lane at no extra cost, despite having no status on KLM

Wow, interesting indeed. This was definitely not said to Lee and Robert, and I had to ask specially to the agent to get the gate opened... You see, it differes per day/per staff. That's why we might have such different opinions on LPL right now.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 14):
Sorry, just had to get all that off my chest

I'm happy with your reply and fully understand that need! Thanks  
Quoting infodesk (Reply 14):
My report will be up in the next couple of days so you can see how I got on.

I'm not defintely looking forward to your story. Bring it on!

Quoting eurowings (Reply 15):
I saw this being constructed and I think it's a good idea personally.

Me too, very well organized for the UK bound BA flights, since it was always a cramped experience at the old gates (D10~D14 etc)

Quoting eurowings (Reply 15):
The policy changed a few years ago. Morning flights departing before 10am always receive a sandwich or something similar. However, it's supposed to be a small snack (like what you received on LGW-MAN) after 10am. Variations may well occur though.

Thanks for the info. I usually them before 10am indeed.

Quoting eurowings (Reply 15):
I travel through LPL three or four times each year and personally, I don't find it so bad. It's not my favourite airport by far, but not the worst. It's low cost and 'does the job' - nothing more and I wouldn't expect it flying BE/EZY/FR.

Indeed you're right, the terminal fits good enough for LCC carriers.

Quoting eurowings (Reply 15):
The area you described is a really old part of the terminal which accommodates Ryanair (and did serve KLM). It's poor. The other end of the terminal where the easyJet flights depart from are considerably better.

Hmm, that's new info for me. So, I should go again, but on EZY   I think it can be a nice airport once the renovations are completely finished.

Quoting eurowings (Reply 15):
To a large extent, LPL shares its passenger catchment area with MAN, that's the problem. MAN takes the premium traffic, leaving LPL with low cost traffic. It's not about the economic status of the LPL area (the airport is within easy driving distance of some quite wealthy areas),

Thanks also for your view, I'm not completely into this area so your message is taken.

Regards
Eric



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27312 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5583 times:

Hey Eric great pictures and read as usual. Nice BA lounge at AMS . They all have the same style like in ATH and other out stations.

Glad you had a nice trip and the weather conditions played ball.

Looking forward to the next report and more lovely photos.

Philip  


User currently offlineMSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2474 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5538 times:

Hi Eric

Another interesting read! I didn't have words for the sunset pics on the LPL-AMS leg. LPL looks indeed like a dump!
Nice you got the older cabin on BA cabin as well, looks more comfortable IMO
+ adding another wonderfull a.net meeting makes it an extraordinary day



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Marc



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User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5434 times:

Hi Marc & Philip,

thanks for your kind words,

Quoting OA260 (Reply 17):
Nice BA lounge at AMS . They all have the same style like in ATH and other out stations.

Sure, same style. We know what to expect at overseas stations. Definitely the way to do it.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 17):
Glad you had a nice trip and the weather conditions played ball.

We were so lucky on that day, not typical UK weather to say so...

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 18):
I didn't have words for the sunset pics on the LPL-AMS leg.

Thanks Marc. It was a good show hehe

Regards
Eric



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User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8589 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5335 times:
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Hi Eric,

Nice report and pictures, not sure if it's the wifi or my iPad, but many pictures appear to be out of sync for some reason, quite odd!

In many respects a great shame neither of your BA flights were operated by the 737-400, on the flip side, the 319 is a nice ride, gotta find a positive!

I've never flown out of LPL, glad by the looks of it, what a dump!

Cheers

Mark



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User currently offlineinfodesk From Switzerland, joined May 2006, 1466 posts, RR: 33
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5185 times:

Hi Eric,

Thanks for your comments and for understanding my thoughts too!

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 16):
Thank you Hannah, to take the time to express your opinion, especially on the LPL situation. I really find it interesting to read. You should know that the opinion I got was just taken from the short time spend at the airport, my observations and the happenings. I was not correct in mentioning about the whole LPL catchment areas situation, it's too generally spoken by me. Of course, I did note the type of houses in the direct airport area, and can make a judgement, which left the opinion I took home with me. Sad isn't it?

Yes, it is sad that the houses you see from the bus created such an impression. I guess it’s something that happens to a lot of us. But you understand the point I was making, namely that Liverpool & surroundings do not only consist of such places. It’s interesting, because reading you views unleashed some patrotic feelings in me that I didn’t even realise I had. How does the saying go, you can take the girl out of England, but you can’t take England out of the girl  
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 16):
Hmm, I'm really surprised. I wonder if this is kind of cost saving things within KLM, since it seems to be something from the last weeks...

Yeah, I was surprised too as I’m sure the inflight offerings that have featured in some of your previous reports were more generous.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 16):
Sorry for that, as mentioned already, it was the feeling I took home with me.

No apologies, you are perfectly entitled to your opinion.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 16):
really appreciate your info Hannah, and I should not see it too generally. I think LPL can do very well with LCC's, and the full service go to MAN. Maybe in the future we might see some smaller aircraft operating into LPL again when the renovations of the terminal have been completed?

Let’s hope so!

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 16):
Impressive indeed. All 3 of us where looking at the FR map with all destinations and saw airports we even never heard about hehe.

It’s like going back to school for a geography lesson 
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 16):
Wow, interesting indeed. This was definitely not said to Lee and Robert, and I had to ask specially to the agent to get the gate opened... You see, it differes per day/per staff. That's why we might have such different opinions on LPL right now.

That is something I’d be curious to get to the bottom of (although no chance of that now). I wonder whether the agent who served you was new, which perhaps might explain the seat mess up too.

Ok, sorry for hijacking your thread!

Happy flying
Infodesk   



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User currently onlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3361 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5119 times:

Seems like BA beat KL this trip? Maybe the crap terminal and ground crew are some of the reasons KL are dropping the route?Unlucky (or not) that you got two A319s in a row at LGW - the chances of that happening must be less than 1%

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Again, a female business style traveller, laughing sponteneously throughout the flight once she read some cartoons in the Daily Mail. Not really the type of paper you would expect at this type of traveller though

I NEVER buy the Mail, but I do occasionaly enjoy picking up a free copy - it's a form of entertainment rather than a news source!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):

This was done and I noticed my seat was at row 18, definitely not my choice. I checked in on seat 03A, and was quite surprised. I told the lady to change me back to 03A, but she refused since 03A was taken already. Well, why do you relocate me?
Finally the best she could offer was 05F, the row of %u20183%u2019 seats on the Fokker. She promised to try her best to keep the middle seat free. Well, not the best impression so far.

Better you found out at check in rather than at the gate. Was row 3 business?

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Anyway, the whole thing was quite shocking for me. This is not the way KLM wants their passengers to be treated, and moreover, those ladies working for Swissport and in charge, are not capable for this kind of job when full-service airlines are around.

LPL doesn't look good

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I enjoy beautiful views with a gorgeous sun

Gorgeous photo



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User currently offlineroberts87 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2011, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5077 times:

Hey Eric,

Thanks for posting, interesting. Looks like you guys had a nice daytrip.
Too bad about the bad experience at LPL.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
But here, unfortunately BA changed their mind and scheduled an Airbus A319

Bummer, as BA does operate the 734 most of the time on the LGW-AMS run, don't they.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
which was in my opinion easily doable on the -soon to be axed- LPL-AMS service.

Yeah, this route was always pretty affordable. You tossed the return trip?

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
We had a pleasant walk toward the BA Terraces lounge in AMS, visit the ‘Rijksmuseum’ exhibition on our way showing some great work from many years ago. Winter landscapes was one of the themes. Just beautiful to look at, and full of details

Darn, forget to visit it when I was at non-Schengen AMS last month.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
This was the first time for Robert to visit LGW, and he got lucky with our way towards the main building, since we had to cross the taxiway by the famous bridge. It is really impressive, and a joy to walk over the aircraft taxiing below you.

Yeah, that bridge is pretty neat. I guess DEN and LGW are the only airports to feature something like this?

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
A view on the city of London

Always love those views!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
KLM and the expected Fokker is finally arriving

Hey, that's a Fokker 100!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Turning away, runway visible

Looks like a runway to arrive/depart from, with the river below


User currently offlinesignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 3024 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5024 times:

Hi Eric,

nice report of some short, relatively routine flights. A shame about the service at LPL, perhaps everyone there is used to the FR / U2 holiday brigade...

Nice to see another view of the same flight  

Thanks

signol



Flights booked: none :(
25 Post contains images airbuseric : Hi guys, thanks for your new batch of replies! Should be your connection, since my iPad shows alright as does the PC. For me, not a big problem to hav
26 deltamartin : Hi Eric! Great report with great pictures, as usual! Good to read about your experience on these routes. The last flight did overall not sound to good
27 airbuseric : Hi Martin! thank you for your reply. Well appreciated, you know! Indeed, and as stated by others, maybe one of the reasons to axe this route from the
28 The777Man : Hi Eric! Very nice report with very nice pictures ! Great to have a day of flying with not one but two Airliners.net trip reporters! Too bad neither t
29 Post contains images airbuseric : Hi 777Man Thanks! Bad luck happens sometimes. Quite a coincidence, G-EUOH (AMS-LGW) is now the Olympic painted aircraft for BA. Rolled out earlier thi
30 Post contains images CrimsonNL : Hey Eric, good stuff as usual I've been on the OFP as well which at the time, was also an a/c change for an F70 Shame about the check-in process at LP
31 Post contains images airbuseric : Hoi Martijn, thanks for replying too! Hmm, seems that OFP is always in for an upgrade instead of the F70's then Jaja I hear you! Menzies is much bette
32 Post contains images akhmad : Hello Eric, Very nice to follow the 1 March daytrip from your point view. I know I will be in treat of beautiful pictures with every report of yours.
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