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How Not To Deice A Plane: HEL-RIX-TLL  
User currently offlineFlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1706 posts, RR: 30
Posted (2 years 9 months 1 week ago) and read 8861 times:

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Introduction

The Finn Tero Taskila earned his reputation as an airline man by being at the right spot at the right time. The spot was senior management of airBaltic and the right time the airline’s “crazy years” 2009-2010 when nothing seemed impossible and they were opening new routes left, right and centre and growing at exponential rates. Well, too bad the exponential rates also applied to their losses. Fast forward a bit and in 2011 the airline was in serious trouble, but seems to have managed to find enough funding (mainly from the Latvian state) to survive, for another couple of years at least.

Envious of their Latvian neighbours to the south, Estonian Air wanted to try to pull a same kind of stunt - that company resembled airBaltic before the crazy expansion years in many ways - it was a small regional carrier with a small fleet, struggling to stay afloat and mainly focusing on flying passengers between TLL and their limited network of destinations, relying on their parent company SAS to feed more passengers to them via their established hubs at ARN, CPH and to a lesser degree OSL. So what would be the perfect solution to put them on the fast track to becoming a major regional player? Yes, you guessed it: hire a headhunter to lure Mr. Taskila to relocate to Tallinn and sign up as the company’s CEO! Oh, you didn’t actually guess it? Well never mind, nobody would’ve!

So in June 2011 it was announced that Mr. Taskila would be the new CEO of the Estonian Air, which soon would be a new airline by itself. Things were a bit slow to start, but soon enough it was announced that to support their growth they would start offering “seamless” connections via TLL with real short MCTs (hmm, haven’t I heard this one before - RIX and its 25 minute MCT, anyone?) and a range of new destinations. Funnily enough all of those destinations seemed to be in Finland though - the main market of the airBaltic of yesteryear and one which has seen some serious expansion in the last few years.

These plans involved resurrecting (for the third or fourth time I think) the short HEL-TLL hop with three daily Saab 340 flights - last time OV served this route was around 2008 and they also codeshared on the very short lived Blue1 service. In addition to that they announced flights to four regional airports in Finland, carefully picked to be the ones where BT didn’t fly from RIX. These airports were Kokkola (KOK), Kajaani (KAJ), Joensuu (JOE) and Jyväskylä (JYV). Later it turned out that most of these airports were actually offering them “financial guarantees” ranging in hundreds of thousands of Euros for opening the new routes - so yes, Mr. Taskila was trying to pull another airBaltic stunt, it seems!

For me that meant more work to log these routes. Thanks to their great sale during OVs 20-year anniversary back in December 2011 I managed to book all of these routes at very good rates. The first one I managed to schedule was Jyväskylä, the “Athens of Finland” located almost smack in the middle of the country, famous for its university and as the hometown of the greatest ski jumper of all time, Matti Nykänen who nowadays has turned into a full time mediaperson cum wife beater cum alcoholic cum reality TV star... but I’m rambling again here. The flights would start at 25th of March and I was able to book myself onto the inaugural TLL-JYV flight on that day, for the decent price of 57 EUR.

The rest was of course pure logistics - so I added a flight to Tallinn via RIX with airBaltic as the direct OV service wouldn’t start until the next day. BT was the cheapest option at 49 EUR, so a bit of a no-brainer really.

Finally to get back from Jyväskylä I thought about taking the train as air connections are nowadays quite sparse, especially on weekends - thanks to Nokia shutting down its sizable operation at Jyväskylä which reduced business traffic a lot and the introduction of faster trains on the main railroad to Tampere and onwards to Helsinki. Finnair actually stopped their flights to JYV last year, but of course Finncomm errr... FlyBe Nordic (sorry, I still have a hard time coming into terms with the new name) stepped in and opened up this new route. The fact that apparently there would be no bus service to the city on weekends (meaning I would have to take an expensive taxi to catch my train) meant that it would actually be cheaper to fly back with BE, so I bought a ticket for 43 EUR. As mentioned flight options on a weekend are seriously lacking so I had to settle for an evening flight which meant I had an almost 4 hour layover at JYV, a place with not much going for it but what the heck - there’s the free Finavia wifi at least!

So this is how I imagined my itinerary for the day would look like - the reality might be something different though:

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Sunday 25.3.2012

This morning doesn’t get to a good start as for whatever reason the morning newspaper fails to get delivered by the time I have to leave for the airport. I need my news fix in the morning! I guess I should’ve taken that as a bad omen and just crawled back under the sheets for another couple of hours of shut-eye...

It might be the first day of the so called “Summer time” as the (utterly pointless) switch to DST was done during the night but as I trundle out still very much asleep just after seven in the morning the weather definitely doesn’t look very summery:

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Yes, there’s been quite heavy snowfall during the night and a thick blanket of extremely wet (the temperature being above zero) snow is covering everything.

I doze the very quiet bus ride to T1, clear the empty security checkpoint in a jiffy and notice something I haven’t seen before:

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This is the tiny non-Schengen holding pen of T1, nowadays unused after KF stopped their Heathrow flights so it has been turned into an exhibition space for Helsinki, World Design Capital 2012 (a fact they nowadays always announce on KF flights upon arrival at HEL).

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This time they are hosting an interesting design showcase:

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I have to admit this is my kind of art - functional and comfortable.

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Some of the impressions:

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I pick a chair and manage to doze around 15 minutes there before it is time to head to my gate, a bus gate as usual with this BT morning flight. Boarding commences as soon as I get to the gate - perfect timing. My boarding pass beeps, I suggest there might’ve been a seat change to the friendly girl but she shakes her head and says she doesn’t think so. Well, her colleague is more aware and hands her (and transiently, me as well) a new boarding pass for 4F instead of my original 3A - so indeed there was a seat change!

I like the small dash of snow on the tail of this LH A320 whose boarding queue blocked the whole passageway through T1 - who the heck designed this lousy terminal anyway:

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While walking downstairs to the bus my mind starts wondering... this flight was supposed to be a Dash and the seatmap on the OLCI yesterday certainly showed one. But the Dashes have seats AB and CD and no F seats. So I think there has been a last minute equipment change to a 737.

This is confirmed a minute or two later when the bus stops in front of a 737-500, YL-BBP. Considering that I’ve done a few flights with airBaltic it is quite remarkable that this is actually a previously unflown bird by me - I think the last one of their 737s actually. Looking very snowy this morning:

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HEL-RIX
BT328
B737-500 YL-BBP
Seat 4F
9.32 - 10.20

I ask the very sweet and friendly girl in the front galley what happened to the original Dash - she doesn’t quite get the question after I repeat it around four times but in the end she says “I guess there was a last minute equipment change”. Seat 4F is a great seat, first row of economy class and plenty of legroom up here. The view outside could be improved, though:

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As mentioned there are three rows of business class, completely empty on this flight. Economy load is quite light as well, the Dash would’ve been more than sufficient to carry the 50 or so pax on this flight:

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Boarding is fast and soon the captain announces that we will be a bit delayed as we still need to wait for the snow removal and deicing crew to arrive. Once we get underway we are having some nice tail wind which should get us down to RIX in 40 minutes so we are still looking to be arriving on schedule (the block time being an hour). It is plus five degrees with rain at Riga.

Well, still feeling far too tired I nod off on my seat. A quarter an hour later I wake up and notice that something has indeed happened outside:

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I wonder if flying through a dense flock of birds would leave the window looking like this...

The deicing process seems to drag forever - I keep nodding on and off during it.

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Finally more than half an hour late the process seems to be finished but we don’t make any attempt at engine startup which seems a bit weird to me. Finally the captain comes on and quite sheepishly explains that our APU was blasted full of deicing fluid during the process and so we can’t get our engines started. They have summoned for a ground power unit to help the process and it should arrive in ten minutes or so.

Very surprisingly the cabin crew actually starts offering drinks (for free) due to the delay - coffee, tea or juice is offered. Somehow I never expected BT to do this, but looks like they are really trying hard. The coffee doesn’t taste too good and is very weak (if I were Jonas and shared his view of the world being full of malevolent people and corporations who only want bad things to other people I’m sure I’d assume it was weak on purpose in order not to spend too much money but alas I’m not that cynical yet!) but it is hot and contains caffeine which really hits the spot with me.

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It definitely takes longer than ten minutes but finally a Finnair paddy wagon pulls in:

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We’re not the only one this morning - wonder how many gallons of deicing fluid were spent this morning:

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The two guys who look like perfect examples of union folks attach two umblical cords to our plane’s hydraulic ports (whereever they might be located), start up the unit and soon the familiar low rumbling sound of a jet engine being started up fills the cabin - music for my ears this morning! It is exactly one hour after our SDT that the engines are started.

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Another seven minutes are somehow wasted before we finally leave our parking position. An interesting bird next to us - I should be flying one of these beauties in July:

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Warrants a second shot, doesn’t it:

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The Russian babushka on the aisle seat (the middle seat stayed of course free) makes the sign of the cross before we push back. Well, not for me thanks, I prefer to trust the laws of physics and good old American engineering more!

At this point I’m starting to worry a bit about my 1h10min connection - but not too much as the 40 minute flight time sounds okay and the ground folks at RIX are usually pretty good about getting passengers to their connections.

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A slave galleon heading to somewhere warm and nice:

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Take off is from 04R, the water released by our acceleration makes this picture of the terminal while we rotate look like a water color painting:

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No views of the ground at all on this flight - thick clouds everywhere. I kinda like the way our fuselage is reflecting off the engine shield:

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Well, Lee’s favorite past time is a good way to spend this flight:

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A number of passengers are worried about their connections - there seem to be an especially large number of people continuing to BCN. The FAs tell them to wait and they will announce further info just before arriving at RIX. This is indeed done, and among the connections they mention gates for the flights to FCO, IST and my flight to TLL going out of gate B10 - so far so good. All pax to BCN are asked to take seats in the front part of the plane to speed up their disembarking - in practice this of course means the business class cabin. There are at least 15 pax all together being reseated there.

The flight itself is fast but our descent seems to take almost forever, and by the time we finally break the clouds we are already very low and the reason becomes apparent - we did the full flypast and approach from the south and are now on finals for runway 36, another five minutes were lost for this maneuver at least, bugger:

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The finals are very shaky with the plane swaying from left to right like Shakira’s hips - this feels what I imagine an aircraft carrier landing would feel like on rough seas.

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The captain performs a textbook landing on hard crosswind - i.e. coming in as fast as possible followed by such heavy braking that I’m afraid the engines might break off the wings and continue on their merry way as ballistic missiles. Luckily nothing like that happens.

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Total flight time was around 40 minutes as promised. It is 20 minutes till the scheduled departure of my TLL flight.

With a good number of fast connecting pax I fully expected us to get a jetway position to speed the transfer, especially considering they were asked to sit in the front. Well imagine my surprise (and disappointment) when after a lengthy taxi we end up in an apron parking position sandwiched between a 757 and another 737, far away from the terminal!

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Everybody hurries to the waiting bus - I joke with somebody going to BCN that “we ended up in the same bus anyway”. Well just at that moment another bus pulls up and a ground agent yells “Everybody going to Barcelona to that bus!”. I guess they are getting a direct transfer service then.

Lost in Riga Airport

A bit later we end up in arrivals - well transfers actually since I don’t see any single person from our flight actually entering Latvia! I hurry to my gate B10 with a sinking feeling in my stomach, reaching it right at 10.35, around five minutes before the original SDT. Guess what?

Yes, you guessed it. Gate closed. Everybody gone.

The gate agent is still there, I beg and plead him to call the plane and get me a special transfer there, but no. No dice. It cannot be done. It is already closed. Verboten. Not going to happen. Sod off, sucker, you lost. Game over.

Oh dear, now I’m REALLY starting to sink. So to the nearest FIDS to ponder my options - hmm, the next flight to TLL is not until 13.20. Not good considering my JYV flight is leaving at 13.55. But I guess that’ll have to do, maybe they will have a delay on the OV flight - too much celebration of the inaugural flight, overdosing on the cake, who knows. It has been known to happen.

The transfer desk has a queue so I head to the lounge next doors instead. The agent is apologetic but after I complain I will probably miss my business in Tallinn he says I can always take the bus - gee is that supposed to make me feel any better??

Now here’s a photo of something that REALLY made me angry - notice two things:
1) This photo was taken in the lounge. The time is 10.38, which proves I was in the gate around 10.35.
2) It shows that BT313 actually departed five minutes EARLY!

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So instead of maybe delaying the flight by five or ten minutes to accommodate me BT decided to dispatch it five minutes *early*. They knew I was on my way and knew the approximate time I would be there but still they did this. Doesn’t sound right in my books. Not at all.

Oh well, angry I might be but I’m also starving - the original plan was to enjoy the nice hot breakfast in this lounge, something I had already kissed mentally good bye to reach the flight on time but looks like I’ll have plenty of time to enjoy it, so here goes:

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A full stomach makes a man somewhat happier so after taking care of that I drop by to the transfer desk to pick up a new boarding pass for BT315.

The lounge is rather packed but after the ZRH flight leaves it becomes quite empty - must be all those Swiss bankers enjoying their Latvian hideaways...

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I love cheese:

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I wonder what those flights without a flight number are - CIA prisoner flights anyone:

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Well, I hatch plans B and C, mainly looking up the ferry timetables and fares from the recpective websites and calm my nerves with a couple of G&Ts. I’m still hoping for a small delay on the JYV flight - 20 minutes would be enough for me I reckon.

Time flies and soon the flight status changes to “Go to gate” - I definitely do so right away as I certainly want this flight to go out as early as possible!

Downstairs the gate area is packed with some kind of Ukrainian sports team - mainly teenage girls in rather nice “Ukraine” jumpers and their boyfriends, coaches or whatever. They take up three quarters of the passengers on this flight, alltogether some 30 pax I think. It looks like this might be their first trip abroad as they definitely are goofing and acting like only teenage girls can...

We board the bus and drive to another trusty Fokker parked in front of the A gates bunker. I can’t quite figure out why we had to take the bus in the first place, considering that they usually board planes at this position by walking from the A gates. Must be an union thing.

So another ride on a Fokker which were supposed to have been retired from the fleet half a year ago - I even did a farewell trip back then - how’s that. My 12th flight on YL-BAR in fact:

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The Ukrainians goofing around with photos of the propeller:

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I have to admit the ground staff were really tolerant of photographs, one of the Ukrainian coaches even walked quite far to get a heads on shot of the Fokker!

RIX-TLL
BT315
F50 YL-BAR
Seat 2A
13.15 - 14.10

Well, it’s a 23-year old airBaltic Fokker. That means it smells like shite inside, “eau de Fokker” the French call it. Me? I’d rather call it “eau de seats that have been in contact with every fluid the human body can produce far too many times for their own good”.

I’m seated right next to one of the Ukrainian girls. She is skinny as only an Ukrainian teenage athletic can be (during the Soviet times you couldn’t say that as they had muscles larger than your usual heavy weight champions plus had to shave three times a day - the women that is. See, socialist victory is more important than fair play. Besides a little hormones never hurt anyone) so that doesn’t bother me, but her duffel bag seems to weigh more than she does and makes our legroom to be quite cramped. I try to gesture her to move to the other side of the aisle as those two seats are completely empty but either she doesn’t understand, thinks it is some kind of scam I’m running or is just strangely attracted to me.

After take off she actually moves to seat 1C as the first row (business class) is completely empty - the crew doesn’t seem to have a problem with this. They even almost serve her champagne before it turns out she’s too young. No sorry, wrong article - I’m writing a series on my fantasies at the same time and can get a little carried away!

Things get on a nice start as we depart five minutes early. T-40 minutes before the SDT of my JYV flight.

Finnco... sorry, FlyBE with an albino plane:

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Looks like white is the new black in Latvian high fashion this year:

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The crew announces the flight time as a lengthy 55 minutes, probably due to those same winds that sped us down earlier today. My hopes go down.

We take off towards the north. If you ever need to get to RIX, just point yourself to this VOR beacon:

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See, Eric’s prediction was right - the two IL-76s that were parked here for ages have suddenly disappeared:

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I decide to follow gabrielchew’s example and pick up a comment card and complain about BT’s decision not to hold the earlier flight for a bit to allow me to reach it. I hand this to a crew member, he looks a bit on the edge upon receiving it - maybe he thinks I’m about to say something bad about him.

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In what seems like no time at all the British captain announces that we are descending soon for Tallinn and promises a bumpy ride due to the strong winds around. My hopes go up.

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Looks like we are going in for a straight in 08 approach - meaning I will get some nice views of the city and we save some precious minutes. My hopes trundle down after I realize it is around 14.00 already.

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Hannah, can you spot the Marks & Spencer sign (Estonia’s only one) here at the Rocca al Mare shopping centre:

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Is this the Estonian Pentagon:

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Beautiful views just as I expected:

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The Old Town with its red roofs:

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Followed by the New Town and the high rises of the CBD:

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Lake Ülemiste frozen over:

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Our shadow on the ice:

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The approach is a bit bumpy but nothing like the rollecoaster landing at RIX earlier. That Cityline E195 looks huge for some reason:

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We land on runway 08 ten minutes past two in the afternoon, or fifteen minutes after the SDT of my flight. I didn’t see any OV Regional Saabs on the apron so my hopes sink down thru the floor and cause a minor FOD alert at the runway.

We park next to this beauty - OV’s second E170, ES-AEB, ex-Finnair. I have a few flights coming up with these birds in the near future:

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Determined to beat the odds and to be the first one out of the plane I head to wait in the galley as soon as possible. I notice something funny - this emergency torchlight was originally with Braniff:

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I think about asking the FA about that but then again she is so young that she probably has no idea what an earth Braniff was. Isn’t that an American cookie or something?

Pretty soon we are allowed out into the sunshine (but it is very windy here as well - I have to hold on to my hat in order not to loose it) so I make my way up the stairs in the jetway and into the terminal and the nearest FIDS only to see this:

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“DEPARTED” - that pretty much sums it up.

The Journey Home

Ok, let’s sort out my options. I head to makeree’s favorite watering hole at the airport, order a pint of their house beer and whip out the laptop:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Tallinn_Catashtrophe_03_2012/Tallinn_Home_1.jpg

I figured out on the plane that I should try to see if AY has some award seats available for flights later today. That way with some luck I could even fly to JYV to return on my originally scheduled flight. Unfortunately there’s no availability - or at least that’s what I assume their new bling bling website tries to tell me. That website was overhauled a couple of months ago and I have to say the new one is a horrible mess - some overeager new technology salesmen from India probably got AY’s chief IT officer drunk and to sign the contract for this utterly useless piece of shite that is the wet dream of some pimple faced (Java-)script kiddie. The old websites just were so much better...

Well that didn’t work out then. Just for the heck of it I check the prices for paid (shudder) tickets. Too bad the OV route doesn’t start until the next day - they are still selling tickets for 40 EUR. AY wants 106 EUR for a ticket - quite reasonable for a one-way AY ticket, quite unreasonable for a 15-minute flight!

So the ferry it is then. I had earlier decided to take Viking Line to support a Finnish company despite it being all of 2 EURs more expensive than the main player, Tallink with identical schedules. Well looks like they haven’t really grasped this e-commerce thing as apparently two hours before departure is too late to book online, up yours! So Tallink finally wins my business and for 40 EUR I get a ticket for the next ferry departing at 16.30.

Out I go, but not before shooting a photo of this interesting bird operating a charter flight to SSH:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Tallinn_Catashtrophe_03_2012/Tallinn_Home_2.jpg

I decide to splurge on a taxi instead of the slow but dirt cheap bus. Seven Euros and 15 minutes later I step off in front of the Tallink Terminal D:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Tallinn_Catashtrophe_03_2012/Tallinn_Home_3.jpg

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Tallinn_Catashtrophe_03_2012/Tallinn_Home_4.jpg

Fancy a pink limo ride:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Tallinn_Catashtrophe_03_2012/Tallinn_Home_5.jpg

I head upstairs to check in and then outside to the touristic Russian restaurant opposite for some food:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Tallinn_Catashtrophe_03_2012/Tallinn_Home_7.jpg

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Tallinn_Catashtrophe_03_2012/Tallinn_Home_6.jpg

The Port of Tallinn is a weird wasteland of the largest liquor stores you have ever seen and dubious restaurants offering cheap beer and pepper steaks for thrifty Finnish tourists who flock here by the busloads:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Tallinn_Catashtrophe_03_2012/Tallinn_Home_8.jpg

Another liquor store inside the terminal:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Tallinn_Catashtrophe_03_2012/Tallinn_Home_9.jpg

10-pack of vodka, anyone:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Tallinn_Catashtrophe_03_2012/Tallinn_Home_10.jpg

Like brothers, like sisters:

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User currently offlineFlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1706 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week ago) and read 8875 times:

Like brothers, like sisters:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Tallinn_Catashtrophe_03_2012/Tallinn_Home_11.jpg

Gangplank ahead:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Tallinn_Catashtrophe_03_2012/Tallinn_Home_12.jpg

“La Navette” - I can’t remember who wrote that hilarious trip report about finding only airport navettes instead of buses in France but kudos to it anyway - absolutely loved it:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Tallinn_Catashtrophe_03_2012/Tallinn_Home_13.jpg

The boat ride is surprisingly good - it being Sunday afternoon many of the travelers are commuters or families with children who spent a weekend in Tallinn - quite unlike the Saturday night departures which seem to exist solely for the purpose of alcohol consumption. I spend the whole ride in the front bar watching a movie with my iDevice.

Arriving at Länsiterminaali in Helsinki - not my favorite port facility by a long shot:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Tallinn_Catashtrophe_03_2012/Tallinn_Home_14.jpg

Cars queuing for the return journey:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Tallinn_Catashtrophe_03_2012/Tallinn_Home_15.jpg

These jetways are horribly long here:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Tallinn_Catashtrophe_03_2012/Tallinn_Home_16.jpg

Having reached the soil of my homeland once again I curse at the extremely stupid public transport planning of Helsinki - whose idea was it to have a bus leaving the terminal barely five minutes after a ship’s scheduled arrival - heck it takes ten minutes for an athlete to navigate those long jetways...

With the next bus 20 minutes away and a promise of an extremely packed ride I do the second best thing and walk through the urban wasteland surrounding this terminal which in a few years should become one of the new, trendy housing districts of Helsinki. At the moment it looks anything but:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Tallinn_Catashtrophe_03_2012/Tallinn_Home_17.jpg

...to the nearby terminus of a tram line:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Tallinn_Catashtrophe_03_2012/Tallinn_Home_18.jpg

I reach the Central Station by the time the next bus would’ve left the terminal. A final ride in a commuter train gets me to my local station:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Tallinn_Catashtrophe_03_2012/Tallinn_Home_19.jpg

Conclusions

Well, what can I say? A wasted day, all caused by that incompetent deicing process at HEL. Havas Ground Handling was so late and slow with that whole thing plus the mishap with the APU. I heard it was actually the captain’s fault for not shutting the air intake valve properly before the deicing, if this is true I guess both ground handling and BT are the culprits here.

But I’m really baffled at BT’s decision not to hold the TLL plane a bit at RIX. It is not like they had a slot to make in these relatively calm airways and airports. Not a very good way to treat a passenger at all.

Let’s see if airBaltic replies to my comment card, I’m not having my hopes up.

I’m really annoyed I missed an inaugural flight - I mean missing a flight is an annoying thing but inaugural flights only come once (well, in the case of OV they seem to keep opening the same routes over and over again, though...), making the loss even more hurtful!


The next trip is sounding strangely familiar - Tallinn, Estonian Air’s new regional Finnish routes and FlyBE operating for AY. Luckily this one doesn’t have any obvious weak points so barring a flight cancellation things should run a bit more smoothly - the route is HEL-JOE-TLL-HEL. Stay tuned!

Happy contrails!


User currently offlinevolvair From Germany, joined Oct 2011, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8748 times:

Hi P.,

thanks for this nice entertaining piece I am reading while I am waiting to head for TXL to pick up my GF from a delayed (aargh) Iberia (aaaaaaargh!) flight.

Good to know, that, despite the hassles, you don't seem to have lost your humor. Sorry your trip didn't work out.

I am starting to like your new retro-style title pictures.


Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):

I have to admit this is my kind of art - functional and comfortable.

Seems to be furniture in Finnair livery bare the title.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):

No views of the ground at all on this flight - thick clouds everywhere. I kinda like the way our fuselage is reflecting off the engine shield:

Oh yes, I have about 30 pictures like this from my BT flights  
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
The agent is apologetic but after I complain I will probably miss my business in Tallinn he says I can always take the bus


What a rude moron. The bus takes ages over there.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):

The lounge is rather packed but after the ZRH flight leaves it becomes quite empty - must be all those Swiss bankers enjoying their Latvian hideaways...


Or rich Eastern Europeans going jewellery shopping.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):

Looks like white is the new black in Latvian high fashion this year:

Can't see the reg, but was it a SmartLynx (what a stupid name!) Airbus?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Viking Line

I chose them for my Tallinn-Helsinki crossing on a Sunday early morning in December. What a surreal experience with all the drunk Finns sleeping on the tables or guarding their precious treasure (read wodka ten-packs)


I hope you had to write your anger off right away and I am still seeing the KLM report.


User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From UK - England, joined Sep 2003, 5186 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8620 times:

Hi, P.,

now that was indeed not the Sunday what we´re looking for, but you made it back home ready for you´re biz at Monday.
Strange indeed that BT wasn´t interested to hold the plane for you these couple of minutes only.
I´am also interested to see if there is any reply to you´re letter.
Anyway a well written story with also well done pictures.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):

I have to admit this is my kind of art - functional and comfortable.

Count me in this way.

Looking for the next ride now.

Greetings,
Markus(FLIEGER67)



Next: London City connections!.
User currently offlineTupolevTu154 From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 2186 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8534 times:

Ahh dear Finn, your reports have just taken very funny turn for the better. I guess all this frustration and anger brings out the comedian in you!  
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
heard it was actually the captain’s fault for not shutting the air intake valve properly before the deicing

I don't know about Boeing, but in the Airbus part of the de-ice checklist is pressing the "Ditching" button in the flight deck, which closes all intakes and temporarily shuts down the APU as a result. Not to do this in some way certainly was a screw up!

Looking forward to my next trip over to Scandinavia/the Nordics/the Baltics/whatever you Finnish like to call yourselves, your oh-so-common Blue 1 717's are on my hitlist!



Atheists - Winning since 33 A.D.
User currently offlineodo From Finland, joined Jan 2005, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8525 times:

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Finally the captain comes on and quite sheepishly explains that our APU was blasted full of deicing fluid during the process and so we can’t get our engines started.

At least they had the APU off and/or the APU bleed off. The thick cloud that comes to the cabin if APU feeds the air conditioning packs and some moron fills APU air intake with de-icing fluid is not good at all. Couple of years ago they even evacuated a FC ERJ at Tampere because of this. Somebody thought the aircraft was in fire...

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
The two guys who look like perfect examples of union folks attach two umblical cords to our plane’s hydraulic ports (whereever they might be located), start up the unit and soon the familiar low rumbling sound of a jet engine being started up fills the cabin

Actually it's compressed air, not hydraulics that start the engines. And if you're really wondering, there's two ground air ports on the belly of the aircraft between the engines.  


As for the trip report it self...excellent report as we have come to expect from you.  

//odo



Failure is always an option.
User currently offlineodo From Finland, joined Jan 2005, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8504 times:

Quoting TupolevTu154 (Reply 4):
I don't know about Boeing, but in the Airbus part of the de-ice checklist is pressing the "Ditching" button in the flight deck, which closes all intakes and temporarily shuts down the APU as a result. Not to do this in some way certainly was a screw up!

On Boeings, APU can be on, but APU bleed and engine bleeds must off to avoid getting de-icing fluid to the system. It's definately de-icing crew's fault if they manage to fill the APU intake with the de-icing fluid.

//odo



Failure is always an option.
User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8299 times:

What adventures you have. Great photos once again. Thanks.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6945 posts, RR: 77
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7972 times:

Hi P.,

very interesting and entertaining report - well, be sure I enjoyed your writing style, not the fact that your trip was screwed.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
The first one I managed to schedule was Jyväskylä, the “Athens of Finland” located almost smack in the middle of the country, famous for its university

I've been there once in February. "Athens of Finland"? Are you serious?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
I repeat it around four times but in the end she says “I guess there was a last minute equipment change”.

You never give up, do you?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Finally the captain comes on and quite sheepishly explains that our APU was blasted full of deicing fluid during the process and so we can’t get our engines started.

Wow, never heard that.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Very surprisingly the cabin crew actually starts offering drinks (for free) due to the delay - coffee, tea or juice is offered. Somehow I never expected BT to do this, but looks like they are really trying hard.

The same happened on my recent QR DXB-DOH flight - I didn't enjoy that ground service at all because our transfer time was shrinking dramatically...the delay was weather-related, btw.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Well, Lee’s favorite past time is a good way to spend this flight:

Nice, I played that level yesterday.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Yes, you guessed it. Gate closed. Everybody gone.

Ah, very bad.   

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
The agent is apologetic but after I complain I will probably miss my business in Tallinn he says I can always take the bus

Business, sure...  

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
So instead of maybe delaying the flight by five or ten minutes to accommodate me BT decided to dispatch it five minutes *early*. They knew I was on my way and knew the approximate time I would be there but still they did this. Doesn’t sound right in my books. Not at all.

I was wondering about exactly that on the delayed DXB-DOH flight. Would they delay the connecting flight? Well, we made it in the end and the connecting flight was even pushed back 5 minutes early. I have no idea whether other passengers missed it. I guess there are many aspects to be considered when making the decision to delay a flight due to missing passengers. So I wouldn't blame the airline without knowing more details.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
I think about asking the FA about that but then again she is so young that she probably has no idea what an earth Braniff was. Isn’t that an American cookie or something?

Good, you saved her. I can only wonder how many people you have already left in confusion on your trips.  
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Like brothers, like sisters:

Censored, eh?


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineFlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1706 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7901 times:

Hi guys,

Good to see so many comments already - thanks and keep 'em flowing!

Quoting volvair (Reply 2):
thanks for this nice entertaining piece I am reading while I am waiting to head for TXL to pick up my GF from a delayed (aargh) Iberia (aaaaaaargh!) flight.

Ahh, that trip. How come I'm not surprised that IB is delayed.

Quoting volvair (Reply 2):
Good to know, that, despite the hassles, you don't seem to have lost your humor. Sorry your trip didn't work out.

Well, it happens. I've forgotten the mishaps already, such is the human memory - it is extremely selective. And what it comes to a sense of humor - well if you loose it what is there left in this unfair and imperfect world? Nothing.

Quoting volvair (Reply 2):
What a rude moron. The bus takes ages over there.

In his defense I think he was trying to be friendly but sort of said the wrong thing. Partly a language issue, partly just something many populist politicians have mastered to a perfection  .

Quoting volvair (Reply 2):
Can't see the reg, but was it a SmartLynx (what a stupid name!) Airbus?

Yep.

Quoting volvair (Reply 2):
I hope you had to write your anger off right away and I am still seeing the KLM report.

Sorry, I wasn't going to write about Berlin as there wasn't anything that special on the flights apart from me getting quite pissed off at KLM's performance on the HEL flight and at Schiphol. But I'm heading to Bavaria next weekend and flying KLM back - I was planning on writing a report on those flights!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 3):
now that was indeed not the Sunday what we´re looking for, but you made it back home ready for you´re biz at Monday.

Good point, at least I didn't get stranded somewhere far from home where getting back would have been very expensive or time consuming. Then again I probably would've terminated the trip in RIX if that was the case.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 3):
I´am also interested to see if there is any reply to you´re letter.

Me too, me too.

Quoting TupolevTu154 (Reply 4):
Ahh dear Finn, your reports have just taken very funny turn for the better. I guess all this frustration and anger brings out the comedian in you!  

Hi Tom, yeah sometimes your writing just flows naturally and sometimes you have to force the right words out - I guess it is obvious which one was the case here!

Quoting TupolevTu154 (Reply 4):
Looking forward to my next trip over to Scandinavia/the Nordics/the Baltics/whatever you Finnish like to call yourselves, your oh-so-common Blue 1 717's are on my hitlist!

Cool. Let me know of your plans when you fix something.

Quoting odo (Reply 5):
The thick cloud that comes to the cabin if APU feeds the air conditioning packs and some moron fills APU air intake with de-icing fluid is not good at all.

Yeah, I remember reading about such incidents. That would have been an icing on the cake... But if it had happened I would still have had enough time to rush to the port and take a bot to Tallinn and catch up my itinerary from there!

Quoting odo (Reply 5):
Actually it's compressed air, not hydraulics that start the engines. And if you're really wondering, there's two ground air ports on the belly of the aircraft between the engines.  

Oh yes, that was what I meant - not sure why I wrote "hydraulics" though.

Quoting odo (Reply 6):
On Boeings, APU can be on, but APU bleed and engine bleeds must off to avoid getting de-icing fluid to the system. It's definately de-icing crew's fault if they manage to fill the APU intake with the de-icing fluid.

Thanks, very interesting information. Are you an aircraft mechanic or a design engineer or something by trade?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
very interesting and entertaining report - well, be sure I enjoyed your writing style, not the fact that your trip was screwed.

I know, I know.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
I've been there once in February. "Athens of Finland"? Are you serious?

You see we Finns have an endless inferior complexity towards the rest of the world we see as a much more civilized and better place. Thus many cities in Finland have these kind of common nicknames, we have Manchester, Liverpool, Athens etc. here.

As for Jyväskylä I guess the connection is having a high hill smack middle of the city plus the university which is very large and does have quite a long and famous history.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
You never give up, do you?

Nope, I'm a Finn. We are stubborn folk.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
So I wouldn't blame the airline without knowing more details.

Yeah, that is a good point. But still they let the plane go out ahead of schedule. Had it departed on time or slightly late I wouldn't be so baffled. But to me it looks like they threw their towel down far too early.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
Good, you saved her. I can only wonder how many people you have already left in confusion on your trips.  

That's just me.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
Censored, eh?

Awkward cut off point.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
Sriwijaya Air - My Flying Partner

Hey, I've heard something like that before!  


User currently offlinevolvair From Germany, joined Oct 2011, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7857 times:

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 9):


Quoting volvair (Reply 2):
I hope you had to write your anger off right away and I am still seeing the KLM report.

Sorry, I wasn't going to write about Berlin as there wasn't anything that special on the flights apart from me getting quite pissed off at KLM's performance on the HEL flight and at Schiphol. But I'm heading to Bavaria next weekend and flying KLM back - I was planning on writing a report on those flights!

Aah okay, I was mostly interested in it because you were complaining about KLM after (and during) your trip on fb. But I did not know (or forgot) you'll take KLM back from MUC. So enjoy your time speeding around Bavaria  !


User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7826 times:

Hi P,

An excellent report of a disastrous journey. Thanks for the background on Estonian Air.

Shame about the initial delay leading to missed connections. Is there any reason why the de-icing isn't started a bit earlier?

It's a bit off that the flight was closed and departed early if they knew that you were on your way. I know sometimes it is unavoidable if the delay is to great, but in this instance? It looks as if they decided that you wouldn't make it, so let's go.

I have been aboard aircraft at DXB that have been held back to allow late connecting passengers to board, but I suppose it depends on how great the delay is and how many passengers there are.

Best of luck with a response from the feedback card.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
OV’s second E170, ES-AEB, ex-Finnair.

Nice livery.

Roy / Quokkas


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27342 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7765 times:

Hey P , lovely report to wake upto this morning.

All that snow still there ? We have been having 16-18c here the last days  

Love the design gallery my type of thing also . Clean and minimalist.

Thanks for the Belavia pics I love their livery , it looks great on all their A/C and classic . They dont need a retro jet for sure  

Lovely pics and read as usual.

Regards

Philip  


User currently offlineodo From Finland, joined Jan 2005, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7758 times:

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 9):
Thanks, very interesting information. Are you an aircraft mechanic or a design engineer or something by trade?

Let's say - well educated hobbyist.   I've always been facinated by everything in aircraft and once you get hold of mountains of manuals for the aircraft, talk to the pilots, mechanics etc. every time you get a chance, you're bound to learn something after years of doing that.

//odo



Failure is always an option.
User currently offlineLXM83 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 610 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7755 times:

Hello FlyingFinn76

Great report about a bad flier's day! I'm acutally quite surprised that things like that don't happen more often to us crazy fliers.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
as the (utterly pointless) switch to DST

In Finland it may be pointless, you get enought light during summer up in the north. For us here in more central locations it is quite nice to have one hour of daylight more after work!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
I should be flying one of these beauties in July

I'm looking forward to that report!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
So instead of maybe delaying the flight by five or ten minutes to accommodate me BT decided to dispatch it five minutes *early*. They knew I was on my way and knew the approximate time I would be there but still they did this. Doesn’t sound right in my books. Not at all.

Well, that was close and therefore all the more frustrating! They probably didn't expect you to find to the gate as quickly as you did, being a RIX regular. You could have been the elderly Russian babushka walking on a stick...

Looking forward to reading something about Joensuu and it's airport!
Cheers, LXM83


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6676 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7674 times:

Hi FlyingFinn!

Thanks for a nice report and too bad your day was ruined.....That's really bad that it took so long to de-ice in HEL.

It's very common for airlines to misconnect passengers like in your case. A lot of airlines close the gate 10 mins before departure so they knew you were not going to make it. Perhaps you made up some time so you got there very close but probably when they saw you got a remote gate, they figured that you will not make it.

Other things to considers what else the aircraft will do after the next flight. A 5 minute delay from TLL may mean perhaps 20 mins by the time it gets back there from its next turn and so on. So a lot of things come in to play in that decision making.

Hope the next trip works out better!

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1715 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7565 times:

Hey there PetteriFinn, terrible (not the report itself, but the things that happened in it) report. Terrible that your plans didn't fall through, and terrible that Air Baltic f*cked you over by having that flight depart early despite you being on the way. Oh well nice that you managed to make the best out of that situation, although €40 for that ferry ride was a bit steep I'd say.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Yes, you guessed it: hire a headhunter to lure Mr. Taskila to relocate to Tallinn and sign up as the company’s CEO! Oh, you didn’t actually guess it? Well never mind, nobody would’ve!

Hmm, did they offer him a generous bribe or something?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
I trundle out still very much asleep just after seven in the morning the weather definitely doesn’t look very summery:

I'm shocked to see that there's still snow in Finland. In Sweden the snow disappeared two months ago, already and it's superduper spring here. No wonder the Finns are so depressed  
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
but it is hot and contains caffeine which really hits the spot with me.

Well the coffee is weak for a reason, i.e less caffine to make people buy more cups = more revenue. It all makes business sense.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
The two guys who look like perfect examples of union folks attach two umblical cords to our plane’s hydraulic ports (whereever they might be located),

Actually they connected it to the pneumatic system, since the engines start by blowing high-pressure air through the turbine. And once the first engine is started, bleed air flows from it to the other engine to assist its startup.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Well, Lee’s favorite past time is a good way to spend this flight:

I Hope BT didn't charge you for using that. Maybe they assume you nicked it from the galley  
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
There are at least 15 pax all together being reseated there.

Hmm, did that have any effect on the weight and balance?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
2) It shows that BT313 actually departed five minutes EARLY!

Now that's a way of pissing off a very loyal customer. If I was in your hat I would've never flown BT again, and started a vendetta of bad word of mouth against that company. Maybe they would've held the plane if you were still a VIP or Executive or whatever the top-tier status is called.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
and calm my nerves with a couple of G&Ts.

Hmm, didn't know they had spirits in that lounge. What more booze was on offer?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
The Old Town with its red roofs:

Is that where we got drunk?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 1):
order a pint of their house beer and whip out the laptop:

Why do you bring the laptop when you have your iPad? Must be heavy to drag around all those gizmos.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 1):
the route is HEL-JOE-TLL-HEL. Stay tuned!

I want to see something more interesting than that LOL   When is the next "proper" trip coming up?

Actually pictured the thought of you re-locating to California, maybe a job in Silicon Valley. One could only imagine what crazy flying you would be up to. Oh well maybe that will be a reality some day 

"Wheels Up!"
//Jonas



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User currently offlinesultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1789 posts, RR: 30
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7496 times:

Hi there Petteri Finn!

Nice report of a not so nice day. The title of your report made me quite curious as to what happened to our seasoned travelling man from Finland. Now I see the whole story after reading some comments on the book of faces. Yes, BT and Hava messed up and BT even more for not holding that plane. With that FIDS pic (showing you were ontime and the plane departed early) and a good lawyer, you got yourself a waterproof case my friend  . Irony oh irony, I’m glad you got to take it with a little pinch of salt and were able to conclude your day with a peaceful sailing trip on the Baltic Sea. Does a man need more to be happy again?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Helsinki, World Design Capital 2012

Nice exhibit, I’m into that category too when form and function cooperate as such.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
who the heck designed this lousy terminal anyway:

Well, it certainly won’t feature at Helsinki, World Design Capital then 

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
I ask the very sweet and friendly girl in the front galley what happened to the original Dash - she doesn’t quite get the question after I repeat it around four times but in the end she says “I guess there was a last minute equipment change”.

  Well what do you know!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
if I were Jonas and shared his view of the world being full of malevolent people and corporations who only want bad things to other people I’m sure I’d assume it was weak on purpose in order not to spend too much money but alas I’m not that cynical yet!

I’m indeed glad you are not.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
I should be flying one of these beauties in July

I wouldn’t call that a beauty but it flies to a city of beauties. Going to Minsk in July?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Well, Lee’s favorite past time is a good way to spend this flight:

Got yourself as well a Pad thing and the obligatory Angry Birds?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Luckily nothing like that happens.

Physics and American engineering: the perfect combo!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
So instead of maybe delaying the flight by five or ten minutes to accommodate me BT decided to dispatch it five minutes *early*. They knew I was on my way and knew the approximate time I would be there but still they did this. Doesn’t sound right in my books. Not at all.

No, it doesn’t. After all these years of loyalty and support to your beloved BT, they should’ve held that plane for you. Period.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
I try to gesture her to move to the other side of the aisle as those two seats are completely empty but either she doesn’t understand, thinks it is some kind of scam I’m running or is just strangely attracted to me.

I think it’s the latter. Your charm working here.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
We park next to this beauty - OV’s second E170, ES-AEB, ex-Finnair.

Is this some sort of revised colour scheme or a special livery? I saw this one recently in BRU as well.

Sultanils



In thrust we trust.
User currently offlineMSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2474 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6961 times:

Hi Petteri

Nice trip report, just the mishap wasn't.
I can't believe BT let that flight to TLL depart 5mins early. Especially that they knew you where coming.
I had the same story when flying ATL-DTW-AMS-BRU back in 2006. inbound from DTW was 2,5hrs late, just missed my connection in AMS by 1min. Later found out they pushed out a min earlier. Quite frustrating.

Greetings
Marc



Next trip report: Well worn A330s and Hassle free MUC transfer
User currently offlineFlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1706 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6881 times:

Hi guys,

Good to see more comments, thank you!

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 11):
Shame about the initial delay leading to missed connections. Is there any reason why the de-icing isn't started a bit earlier?

Nothing I can figure out. It is not like Havas has many customers at HEL, although plenty of planes were needing quite heavy cleaning after the wet snowfall during the night.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 11):
t looks as if they decided that you wouldn't make it, so let's go.

Yep, felt exactly like this.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 11):
I have been aboard aircraft at DXB that have been held back to allow late connecting passengers to board, but I suppose it depends on how great the delay is and how many passengers there are.

I've been onboard plenty of flights where we were delayed for connecting pax and usually even more to wait for their luggage as well. And BT did hold that BCN flight some 20 minutes or so to make sure all the 10-15 connecting pax made it.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 11):
Best of luck with a response from the feedback card.

Well I got a robotic stock reply "We are sorry and we will forward this to the appropriate people blah blah" reply already. Quite impressed that it only took two days for that, maybe many people do not bother with the comment cards...  
Quoting OA260 (Reply 12):
All that snow still there ? We have been having 16-18c here the last days  

Hey, there's plenty of snow in Finland with all the lakes still frozen solid. But the day time temperatures have been above zero for quite a while now.

Quoting LXM83 (Reply 14):
Great report about a bad flier's day! I'm acutally quite surprised that things like that don't happen more often to us crazy fliers.

Yeah, of the hundreds of flying trips I've done only a handful have gone sour and in most cases I've managed to salvage them quite nicely, mainly by knowing of the irrops early enough. I think this is maybe a third trip where I had to change plans during the trip at a short notice and miss something.

Quoting LXM83 (Reply 14):
In Finland it may be pointless, you get enought light during summer up in the north. For us here in more central locations it is quite nice to have one hour of daylight more after work!

You are free to come here, our country needs your tax paying capabilities more than Switzerland!

Quoting LXM83 (Reply 14):
Looking forward to reading something about Joensuu and it's airport!

Well I'm here right now. I'll give you a sneak preview: quiet and empty.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 15):
So a lot of things come in to play in that decision making.

Yes I know. The main thing that irks me is that it departed that five minutes early.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 16):
although €40 for that ferry ride was a bit steep I'd say.

Steep?! Are you serious, Jonas? That is a cheap price for a last minute, basically walk up ticket. How much do you think is a proper price for it? Usually the cheapest prices for these fast boats are 32 EUR, I think you can get it for 25 EUR or so if you buy a multiple use serial ticket.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 16):
Hmm, did they offer him a generous bribe or something?

No, probably the usual stuff what headhunters do for heavyweight players - sign up bonuses, relocation packages and a good salary. Nothing unusual about that.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 16):
In Sweden the snow disappeared two months ago, already and it's superduper spring here.

No it didn't. Just ask Martin.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 16):
Well the coffee is weak for a reason, i.e less caffine to make people buy more cups = more revenue. It all makes business sense.

See, there you go with your paranoid theory.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 16):
I Hope BT didn't charge you for using that. Maybe they assume you nicked it from the galley  

What the hell are you talking about, Jonas?

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 16):
If I was in your hat I would've never flown BT again, and started a vendetta of bad word of mouth against that company.

Well I've got another four flights booked with them within the next two and half weeks so it is kinda hard not to, don't you think?

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 16):
Hmm, didn't know they had spirits in that lounge. What more booze was on offer?

Well of course you didn't - you've never been there. They have a nice beer selection (in bottles), mediocre red & white wine, used to have some nice sparkling wine but nowadays it has been replaced by an instant diabetes -type disgustingly sweet one, yuck. In addition there's vodka (of course), Riga Black Balsam (of course, only recently it's been replaced with that disgusting black currant one unfortunately), Tullamore Dew whiskey, Gin and I think some Martini. They used to have Tequila as well but I think that is gone now, a shame.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 16):
The Old Town with its red roofs:

Is that where we got drunk?
Quoting LH4116 (Reply 16):
Why do you bring the laptop when you have your iPad? Must be heavy to drag around all those gizmos.

Coz you can't do work on IPad. Writing anything more than trivial stuff is just too damn tough with that silly little touchpad. Even booking that ferry ticket would've been far more difficult. Remember that I was supposed to have a 4+ hour layover at JYV airport - something which I was planning on using to catch up on work.

Besides this 13" MBP doesn't weight that much, at least compared to my old 17" one.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 16):
I want to see something more interesting than that LOL   When is the next "proper" trip coming up?

You're hard to please, aren't you? So what is a proper trip in your terms? One involving lounges, crooks, muffins and flight attendants offering free massages, backrubs and lap dances?

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 16):
Actually pictured the thought of you re-locating to California, maybe a job in Silicon Valley. One could only imagine what crazy flying you would be up to. Oh well maybe that will be a reality some day 

Funny, I have this recurring dream where you move to Casablanca and start flying Ryanair exclusively from there.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 17):
I wouldn’t call that a beauty but it flies to a city of beauties. Going to Minsk in July?

Passing through with an 12 hour layover.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 17):
Got yourself as well a Pad thing and the obligatory Angry Birds?

Yep. I've played AB for a long time though.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 17):
Is this some sort of revised colour scheme or a special livery? I saw this one recently in BRU as well.

I think it is the Tallinn City of Culture -special livery or something like that. I should be flying one of these in a week's time, let's see then.


User currently onlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3372 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6556 times:

Interesting report P!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
This is the tiny non-Schengen holding pen of T1, nowadays unused after KF stopped their Heathrow flights so it has been turned into an exhibition space for Helsinki, World Design Capital 2012 (a fact they nowadays always announce on KF flights upon arrival at HEL).

I remember flying out of that gate - terribly overcrowded - looks a lot better now

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
With a good number of fast connecting pax I fully expected us to get a jetway position to speed the transfer, especially considering they were asked to sit in the front. Well imagine my surprise (and disappointment) when after a lengthy taxi we end up in an apron parking position sandwiched between a 757 and another 737, far away from the terminal!

BT don't seem to care about their connecting pax

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
I decide to follow gabrielchew’s example and pick up a comment card and complain about BT’s decision not to hold the earlier flight for a bit to allow me to reach it. I hand this to a crew member, he looks a bit on the edge upon receiving it - maybe he thinks I’m about to say something bad about him.

I hope you get a reply and maybe some bonus miles

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
“DEPARTED” - that pretty much sums it up.

Argh, so anoying



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User currently offlineMH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1692 posts, RR: 30
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6519 times:

Great TR, as usual, P !!!

Love your pictures, esp.

Interesting to see those stored IL-76's at RIX now gone...

It all depends how many passengers misconnected @ RIX for the TLL flight; if you were the only one, I can see why BT departed on time (why frustrate so many passengers on that flight (+ return) just to accomodate one or a few ex HEL ?)...
Besides, there are loads of BT flights RIX-TLL where you could be rebooked to...that you miss an OV-flight to JYV is not BT's problem, right ?

Your CIA flight to AMS is most probably BT0619 (was operated by YL-BBR)



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User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6384 times:

Hey P!

Nice tripreport as usual!
Too bad about that delay causing you to miss your flight, that's the definition of the word Bugger!
BT didn't really seem to help you to make your connection either, one would think it would be within the airlines interest to have a pleased customer, that gets what it paid for.
Being raised next to the sea I wouldn't really mind a ferry ride, although your original plan of course were more exiting.

Martin


User currently offlineinfodesk From Switzerland, joined May 2006, 1466 posts, RR: 33
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6234 times:

Hi P,

A very entertaining read, not because of the mishaps but because of your excellent interpretation of the day. Good to see you didn't lose your sense of humour despite everything and that you managed to find a cheap enough way to get home. Shame about the missed inaugural, as you said, something you can't repeat.

Is it worth you writing to Finavia about the deicing incident and seeing what answer they give you?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
I kinda like the way our fuselage is reflecting off the engine shield:

What a classy photo.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Yes, you guessed it. Gate closed. Everybody gone.

Buggar.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
So instead of maybe delaying the flight by five or ten minutes to accommodate me BT decided to dispatch it five minutes *early*. They knew I was on my way and knew the approximate time I would be there but still they did this. Doesn’t sound right in my books. Not at all.

No it's not right, but I wouldn't mind betting BT aren't the only ones guilty of such behaviour. This is what I know from LX: on any delayed inbound, the passengers are assigned 3 groups, ok - if the connection time is still long enough, short/try - if they think it might be managable and negative. I've known people in the negative group to be turned away from the gate even if they ran and made it before the STD. I guess you were the only passenger left and someone made that decision not to wait for you. It's a poor show though at a small airport where quick transfers aren't a problem.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Hannah, can you spot the Marks & Spencer sign (Estonia’s only one) here at the Rocca al Mare shopping centre:

Good job you pointed it out to me or I would have missed it!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
We park next to this beauty - OV’s second E170, ES-AEB, ex-Finnair. I have a few flights coming up with these birds in the near future:

What's with the flowers in that livery? I'm don't remember seeing them before. They make it look even prettier than ever.

You had some nice photos on approach into TLL too. Shame you've having to wait for spring up there and still have the snow to contend with.

Happy flying
Infodesk   



"Do nothing in haste, look well to each step and from the beginning think what may be the end" - Edward Whymper
User currently offlineFlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1706 posts, RR: 30
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6101 times:

HI folks, good to see more comments - lovely!

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 20):
BT don't seem to care about their connecting pax

Well they do sometimes - like the bunch going to BCN on my flight. And once or twice they've had someone to greet me at RIX when I had a short connection (but I think only for the midnight Fokker as they obviously didn't want to shell out €€ for a hotel room!).

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 20):
I hope you get a reply and maybe some bonus miles

Fat chance with the miles. Never going to happen. As for a reply - I already got that stock reply and I don't think I will ever receive anything else from them.

Quoting MH017 (Reply 21):
Interesting to see those stored IL-76's at RIX now gone...

Yeah, the price of scrap metal must be high enough nowadays...  
Quoting MH017 (Reply 21):
It all depends how many passengers misconnected @ RIX for the TLL flight; if you were the only one, I can see why BT departed on time (why frustrate so many passengers on that flight (+ return) just to accomodate one or a few ex HEL ?)...

I know, but still they departed *ahead of schedule*. If they at least had waited until the SDT I'd be far less irked as it would've been fair game. But this - it buggers me to no end.

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 22):
BT didn't really seem to help you to make your connection either, one would think it would be within the airlines interest to have a pleased customer, that gets what it paid for.

Yeah well I'm pretty sure it was only me doing that connection so of course they preferred to do the direct transfer service for the dozen+ pax to BCN. Besides rerouting those pax there would've been expensive, the marginal cost for my rebooking on their own metal was zero.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 23):
Is it worth you writing to Finavia about the deicing incident and seeing what answer they give you?

I don't think Finavia has anything to do with it. To me it looks like it was Havas (and BT to a lesser degree) that blew it.

Besides I'm far too lazy to chase these kind of issues. I'll usually send one complaint/comment when I'm still fuming mad but then just sort of forget about it. I'm so busy without al this assorted crap anyway.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 23):
Good job you pointed it out to me or I would have missed it!

Hey, this is the second time with that very same place!

Quoting infodesk (Reply 23):
What's with the flowers in that livery? I'm don't remember seeing them before. They make it look even prettier than ever.

I found out that this is a new, revised livery to be introduced on the Embraers. Very nice.


User currently onlineroberts87 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2011, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (2 years 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5839 times:

Hello Finn, thanks for posting, even though things didn't turn out as planned.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
While walking downstairs to the bus my mind starts wondering... this flight was supposed to be a Dash and the seatmap on the OLCI yesterday certainly showed one. But the Dashes have seats AB and CD and no F seats. So I think there has been a last minute equipment change to a 737.

Reading your TR's I something get the impression it's not a matter of IF there will be an equipment change but what kind of equipment change it will be.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Well just at that moment another bus pulls up and a ground agent yells “Everybody going to Barcelona to that bus!”. I guess they are getting a direct transfer service then



So good service at first...

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
So instead of maybe delaying the flight by five or ten minutes to accommodate me BT decided to dispatch it five minutes *early*. They knew I was on my way and knew the approximate time I would be there but still they did this. Doesn’t sound right in my books.

... followed by crappy service afterwards.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
I wonder what those flights without a flight number are - CIA prisoner flights anyone:

Yes, we do have a bunch of secret CIA prisons in a remote area near Amsterdam.


User currently offlineCaptainRed From Germany, joined Oct 2010, 720 posts, RR: 20
Reply 26, posted (2 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5781 times:

Hi P.,

an interesting report and a good read, despite all the problems. At least you had this ferry ride as a fallback, so you didn't get stranded somewhere. Just a shame that you missed an inaugural flight.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Finally the captain comes on and quite sheepishly explains that our APU was blasted full of deicing fluid during the process and so we can’t get our engines started.

Amazing how things like that can happen, despite all the checklists and standard procedures. Nice though that the captain actually admitted it and explained it.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Well, not for me thanks, I prefer to trust the laws of physics and good old American engineering more!

  

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
I drop by to the transfer desk to pick up a new boarding pass for BT315.

Interesting coincidence, I was also scheduled on BT313 on my trip last year, but then this flight was canceled and I was also rebooked to BT315. In my case however it wasn't too bad though since I didn't have a connection in TLL. Looks like BT313 isn't a good flight to take   Still, it is really hard to understand why they departed even early when they knew exactly that there is someone on the way, and I think these 5 minutes would have been enough for you. Good that you filled out that comment card.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Beautiful views just as I expected:

Very nice, these are the views that I have missed on my trip to TLL, because we came in from the other direction.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
We park next to this beauty - OV’s second E170,

That's indeed a beautiful bird, the livery looks very nice on the E170.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
That website was overhauled a couple of months ago and I have to say the new one is a horrible mess - some overeager new technology salesmen from India probably got AY’s chief IT officer drunk and to sign the contract for this utterly useless piece of shite that is the wet dream of some pimple faced (Java-)script kiddie.

Ah, I hate that as well. Nothing beats a plain old HTML form and some tables, especially when it comes to such standard things like searching and booking a flight. But it seems to be the norm nowadays to have these fancy websites that might look nice but lack so much in terms of usability.

Regards
CaptainRed


User currently offlineadamspotter From Netherlands, joined Feb 2011, 1177 posts, RR: 12
Reply 27, posted (2 years 9 months 2 hours ago) and read 5410 times:
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Hi FF,
Very nice report and as always a very enjoyable read.
Such a bummer you missed the whole point of the trip: the inaugural flight!
Very bad service by BT not too wait those 5 minutes for you at RIX!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
10-pack of vodka, anyone

wow, very nice  

cheers,
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User currently offlineFlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1706 posts, RR: 30
Reply 28, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5207 times:

Hiya, good to see more comments - thank you!

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 25):
Hello Finn, thanks for posting, even though things didn't turn out as planned.

Well, I'm over it by now   and a little action and excitement keeps things interesting!

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 25):
Reading your TR's I something get the impression it's not a matter of IF there will be an equipment change but what kind of equipment change it will be.

Heh yeah, you do have a point there. BT is by far THE airline that I've had most equipment changes and schedule changes with. And no, it is NOT the airline I've flown most with, actually it is #3 on my statistics.

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 25):
Yes, we do have a bunch of secret CIA prisons in a remote area near Amsterdam.

Knew it! I bet that El Al crash is somehow connected to them!

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 26):
an interesting report and a good read, despite all the problems. At least you had this ferry ride as a fallback, so you didn't get stranded somewhere. Just a shame that you missed an inaugural flight.

Yep, lucky it happened so close to home. Getting stranded in Central Europe would've been a bit more troublesome.

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 26):
Looks like BT313 isn't a good flight to take

Hah, nice story. Were I the superstitious kind I'd say the number 13 has something to do with it.

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 26):
That's indeed a beautiful bird, the livery looks very nice on the E170.

Yep, flew my first OV E170 this morning. A very nice ride and a beautiful bird.


User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 29, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4888 times:

Hey P.,

happy Easter to you!. Sorry for the late reply, we chatted about this story but I never came to a reply somehow.

Shame about the de-icing. I guess the flightcrew forgot to close the APU valves, which is -afaik- neccesary procedure during the process and on the checklist too. But, we can't know for sure.

So, sorry for ths misconnex, maybe you were the only missing person indeed. But still possible, BT couldn've had a slot for some reason (airspace closure or traffic restriction at some airport); in that case they need to be airborne at their calculated takeoff time (-5/+10min). Also here, we don't know sure.

Good to see the Il-76's are gone. I knew this was going to happen... Russian beasts keep flying it seem  
Quoting LH4116 (Reply 16):
Is that where we got drunk?

I don't think you were drunk, neither was I among 'most' others  

Regards
Eric



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlinesignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 3025 posts, RR: 8
Reply 30, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4775 times:

Hi FF,

nicely written, I do like your subtle humour.

There are not many reports of failed trips, I only remember 2 others, one of Markus' when he hired a car to drive home, and another (Lee I think) who took the train STN-MAN. As an IT person, if you have anything to do with Change Control, you'll know to always have a backout plan   At least plan B wasn't too dear on the pocket. Was there any way of changing the OV / BE tickets to a future date?

Thanks

signol



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