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Cityhopping With KLM: ZRH-AMS-LPL  
User currently offlineinfodesk From Switzerland, joined May 2006, 1464 posts, RR: 33
Posted (2 years 8 months 16 hours ago) and read 9071 times:

Dear readers,

Welcome to my first trip report of 2012. I apologise in advance for the poor quality of some of the photos – all the flights featured were evening ones and the fading light & murky weather made it less than ideal.

This year has got off to a rather slow start aviation wise. I did a ZRH-MAN hop in early January, then had a daytrip to DUS on AB booked with a friend from work. Sadly her plans changed and she couldn’t make it on that day, so we ended up rebooking for the summer. In February I had an exciting Sion-STN-Sion rotation booked with Titan Airways, but a nasty case of the flu put an end to that.

After reading the following report:

In Before The Axe: LPL-AMS-MAN On KLM (by DanTaylor2006 Jan 20 2012 in Trip Reports)

….I discovered that KLM were stopping their AMS-LPL flights at the end of March. This route had been on my to-do list for some time and after hearing this piece of news I wanted to try and log it before it was too late.

Long before I’d ever heard of this website, I used Liverpool airport a lot. First of all on the GVA route and then, from 2005, the BSL route, both with easyJet. Sadly flights to BSL stopped in 2008. Therefore, I hadn’t flown into the airport in 4 years. When visiting my family, Liverpool is closer distance-wise, but Manchester obviously has far more flights.

Anyway, I found a decent deal on klm.com, dearer than travelling direct with LX into MAN, but still a fair price for 4 flights. If I was lucky, I would log the F70 on the LPL legs, a type I’ve never flown on before.

I didn’t realise that KL start their online check-in 30 hours before departure, a nice touch. There wasn’t much choice of seats, most of them were blocked off and exit rows were available at a cost of 25E. I took advantage of being at the airport and checked-in my case after my late shift. It was rather exciting to receive a baggage tag with LPL on it in Zurich!

Sunday 11th March

Before I could fly anywhere, I had an 8hr shift to do. By this time I was a little on edge about making the connection in AMS. I had an hour and only a couple of days previously the same flight I was taking from ZRH was over 60 minutes late leaving and the connection would have been missed (last flight of the day to Liverpool). Anyway, all the KLM flights were behaving today so I hoped that was a good omen.

I finished work at 3.30, had time to get changed and sort my hand luggage out before heading through security. I made a purchase in the duty free for a friend and the usual difference of opinion regarding the staff discount at the till ensued. We are entitled to a higher rate than other companies at ZRH, but this is rarely honoured as the staff claim they don’t know about it. It annoys me. On top of that, a new queuing system has been introduced. I actually had to rub my eyes, because I thought I had suddenly been transported to the UK & was standing in a branch of Boots. A number lights up and a very English sounding voice tells me „Cashier number 3 please“.

KL1962
ZRH-AMS
STD 1730 / ATD 1800
STA 1920 / ATA 1913
E190 PH-EZP
Seat 12A
2nd flight on the E190, 1st on this aircraft

After a quick chat with my colleague I headed for the gate. Having already cleared security makes things much more relaxing. My flight was leaving from a bus gate, B08.

The inbound was only 5 mins late landing. Boarding started nice and early at 1700. One young chap who tried to board was sent away again, only to run like the wind out of the gate area. I suspect he was booked on the LX flight to AMS, which rather confusingly also leaves at 1730. I will never understand why airports give two competing airlines slots to the same destination at the same time. I took the first bus out to the aircraft. I had deliberately chosen a seat not too far back incase it was tight at AMS. Load on this leg was 82 pax. I even saw my case being loaded on, always a good sign.

First sight of my aircraft, on the the way to the gate


Not many flights from B01-10 this evening.
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Boarding
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Interesting to see two sets of stairs for boarding, Swiss never manage this.
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My first KLM flight
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An unusual visitor, any ideas?
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There were some quite lively young Swiss guys sitting behind me who were cracking lots of jokes and had the people around grinning. There were two female members of cabin crew, one of whom in particular stood out. She had such a bubbly personality, an infectious smile and took her time explaining how the exit row works to the gentlemen who were sat there. She created a very good impression.

Boarding was completed quickly and the doors were closed about 1720. However, then the UK pilot then told us that we had to wait until 1740 for our slot. This, combined with an estimated flying time of 1hr15, erased any benefit we had from the early boarding.

Eventually, at 1745, the engines sprang into life. We taxied round to runway 28, where there was already a queue of traffic waiting to take off. After what seemed like an eternity, we eventually took off bang on 1800.

Big queue in front of us
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For Markus
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Our turn now


More aircraft waiting behind us
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Take off


I love the winglets, although they seem huge!
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Banking


Breaking through the clouds
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I spy with my little eye…..
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This is my favourite
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Drinks service started promptly, a choice of a sweet or savoury snack. I guess this would be my only complaint on KLM – on a flight of over an hour it’s not very substanstial.

There was some light chop at one point during the drinks service, the pilot put the seatbelt sign on immediately and I was impressed to see the blonde member of cabin crew walk down the aisle checking that everyone had indeed got their seatbelt fastened.

Cabin shot
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My snack
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Sunset

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When the coast was already in sight, our female F/O gave us some information about the flight. We were currently near Brussels, would be continuing on to Rotterdam and then Amsterdam, where we should land on time. She also assured us we would have a short taxi from the runway, which was just what I wanted to hear.

Port of Zeebrugge
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Think this is between Breskens & Vlissingen
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Interestingly no gate information was given for connecting passengers, we were just told to check the monitors in the terminal. Swiss for example usually announce the gates if there are no screens on the aircraft to display the info.

We landed at Amsterdam on runway 06 at 1913 and docked at the B terminal just a couple of minutes later. You can see just how much padding there is in the schedules – we were early despite the late pushback.
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Amsterdam

I was able to get off the plane fairly quickly. I’d studied the map on Schiphol’s website and had a rough idea of where I had to go. The clear, yellow signage was excellent.
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I emerged in the huge shopping area and now understood why fellow member FlyingFinn said this was his favourite airport to shop at. I had a little peek in one shop, but decided I wanted to get through immigration as I didn’t know how long the queue might be. The D terminal is divided into Schengen & Non-Schengen, so passport control it was for me. I’d read about a short connections line, this was indeed in operation although it took longer than the other lanes! The officier was very friendly, he asked me where I was flying and after I told him Liverpool he looked at my place of birth and said „Aha, and then on to xxx?“. I was so surprised that I just laughed and told him yes, he was indeed correct, he wished me a good flight and I bid him goodbye.

Shopping galore
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FIDS. Note the whopping 33minute walk to the LGW gate.


Nearly there
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I was soon at the D gates and saw that I had to proceed down a staircase. This took me to a kind of subgate, all D6 but with different exits and all handling UK flights. There was a boarding pass & passport check, followed by security (with Eric’s favourite body scanner) and again, all the staff were so friendly. After I cleared all this I had about 5 minutes to sit down before boarding began for Liverpool, perfect timing.

Departures D6. I like the way I took the picture right at the moment when the message changed from Dutch to English.
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This area reminded me of the old B22-29 Non-Schengen gates at ZRH - not the most inspiring of places.
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AMS-LPL
KL1045
STD 2025 / ATD 2036
STA 2045 / ATA 2037
F70 PH-KZL
Seat 7A
1st flight on the F70



During the boarding procedure, quite a few passengers were given a new seat. I overheard one woman being reseated to 17A and I stood there, trying to remember whether the F70 has 16 or 17 rows and hoping this didn’t mean I was about to board a F100, of which I have logged a few.

We were bussed out to the plane, a quick text to my Mum to let her know all was ok and before I knew it we were deposited onto the tarmac amongst a sea of cityhopper aircraft. I thought all the Swiss planes look cute at ZRH, but I loved the sight of these blue Fokkers and Embraers against the night sky. It makes you realise what a huge operation Schiphol is.

I boarded at leisure, taking in the coveted F70, that Lee, Eric & Robert sadly missed on their recent LPL-AMS hop. I never take the back rows on the Fokker, prefering the quietness you get up front, so row 7 it was for me.

Hurray, the F70!
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The second bus arrived and the aircraft filled up. A man sat down next to me, one of a group of Russian sailors, no doubt going to board a ship at Liverpool. They had caused quite a delay at the boarding pass check, as the staff needed to see their letter of declaration. The aircraft was about 80% full, not bad for a route about to be axed.

Cabin shot
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One male & one female member of cabin crew who welcomed us on board. We pushed back at 2025 and taxied at a pretty high speed to a runway far away. I won’t even try and work out which one it was, perhaps Polderbaan? During this time the pilot gave us a brief speech. We took off 10 minutes later and the seatbelt sign was switched off an incredible 3 minutes after take off.

It was a clear night and we flew out over the North Seas, the ferries and tankers out and about were lit up and looked beautiful from above.

Leaving Amsterdam


The service began, it was the same offerings as on the previous leg.

Legroom
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I listened to my ipod, dozed on and off until the pilot gave us some more info about out route, saying that we would soon be passing over Manchester and had already started out descent. Unfortunately the cloud cover built up and there were no more views to be had.

My family home is under the flight path for some of the aircraft arriving into Liverpool. Mum and I have developed a habit of shouting „easy“ everytime an orange coloured aircraft passes over the house. KLM cityhoppers have also been spotted. Sadly, today there would be no waving as we emerged out of the murk and touched down about 10 seconds later. Thanks to the time difference, I had landed in Liverpool 1 minute after leaving Amsterdam.

It was nice to arrive at LPL again after 4 years. Some ladies further back were obviously even happier, as they started chanting „Liverpoool, Liverpooool“!

A short taxi to the stand and an even shorter walk to the terminal and passport control. Well, this part of the airport hasn’t changed since I last used it, the immigration hall, no, portacabin would be a better description, was as uninspiring as ever.

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Baggage claim
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In baggage claim the belt was clearly marked as number 2 where eveyone had congregated, when eventually the bags appeared on number 1! Anyway, I was delighted to see my suitcase appear, I was convinced it was going to get lost in the catacombs of Schiphol.

Liverpool arrivals
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My ride was waiting for me and I was at my destination 59 minutes after landing, that has to be a record.

Not often I have a via tag on my bag



"Do nothing in haste, look well to each step and from the beginning think what may be the end" - Edward Whymper
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User currently offlineinfodesk From Switzerland, joined May 2006, 1464 posts, RR: 33
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 16 hours ago) and read 9065 times:

Wednesday March 14th 2012

As always, my time in England passed far too quickly.

On my way to the airport I snapped this picture of the Runcorn bridge which crosses the river Mersey & the Manchester Ship Canal. It’s an impressive bridge but needs replacing: plans do exist but were put on hold for a while, although it seems now that it will go ahead.


Welcome to Liverpool
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I arrived at Liverpool airport just under 2 hours before departure. Having purchased a nice, new shiny suitcase, I asked at the information desk whether there was a luggage wrapping service. No, no such things exists in Liverpool. So, off to the KLM desks, no queue and I got served by a friendly agent. Interestingly, she informed me that I could use the fast track lane at security, must be a perk of flying KLM and not a lo-co carrier, or at least so I thought. Those of you that read Eric’s report will know that he had to ask for access to the fast track, whereas Lee & Robert queued with everyone else. Very strange.

Lots of ads for KLM, although no good if the LPL-AMS route is stopping.


Low cost carriers dominate here


View of the check-in area
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Departures at Liverpool has changed a lot since I last used the airport. As a result, I missed the famous John Lennon statue that I wanted to photograph. You now proceed to the far end of the hall and go up to the second floor. There was a lift and an escaltor. Well, the escalator worked up to the first floor and then I found this:
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Now, the lift doesn’t stop on the first floor. Therefore, there was only the staircase. Anyone who couldn’t manage the stairs would now be in a quandry, as there was no way to return down and no other way up. It’s this kind of planning that lets places down.

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There was a boarding pass check and here the lady again told me I could use the fast track lane. Usually this pleasure costs £4, but I don’t agree with the principle. She told me just to push the gates open and ignore the noise. Hmmm, sounds interesting. Whilst the mass of easyJet and Ryanair passengers headed off to the left, I was able to take the tunnel on the right, full of glistening pink lights like a stairway to heaven. Well, it was until the alarm sounded. Keep going I thought, she told you to ignore the alarm bells. Hoping nobody was watching, I proceeded through the tunnel, to be dumped into the bright, low-cost security hall, albeit at the very front of the queue. The employee told me to proceed to lane 5, ‘madam’, followed by the glares of those that had been standing there for 10 or more minutes. I could get used to this!

Once again, there have been a few changes airside at Liverpool. A Starbucks and quite a few new eating places, a much bigger duty free and very posh toilets.

Souvenirs anyone?
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Eat, drink, shop & relax….isn’t that what FlyingFinn loves about UK airports ?

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I lost my loose change here
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LPL-AMS
KL1042
STD 1725 / ATD 1733
STA 1945 / ATA 1933
F70 PH-KZR
Seat 4F
2nd flight on the F70, 1st on this aircraft

The gate was announced as 30 and when I got there there were already a lot of people sitting and waiting. Business men busy on their laptops, a group of Chinese passengers, a Spanish school trip….it was an eclectic mix.

Boarding started at 1705. One member of staff walked along checking hand baggage and asking those with large pieces to leave them on the tarmac where they’d be put in the hold ‚because it’s a full flight today‘. I was amazed, the route is being axed and the plane was completely full.

Ryanair just arrived
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Cityhopper already here
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Boarding
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F70 en detail
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Our neighbour, ironically heading for Geneva
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Pushback was at 1723 and we had quite a wait before we could take off due to an aircraft that was on approach.

Ryanair land?
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We took off at 1733, the ‘wrong’ way, on runway 09. Sadly once again it was a very murky day, we were soon in the clouds and there no views

River Mersey
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Back in the sun
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Passing over the Pennines

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The cloud lifted the further east we got, but none of my photos came out. We left the UK near Great Yarmouth.

Shortly after take off, somebody decided to remove their shoes. It wasn’t the guy next to me, but I couldn’t identify the culprit. A horrible whiff of smelly socks drafted through the cabin.

Two rows of business class on this leg, so after serving the passengers their meals, the crew swiftly moved through economy. I went for the cereal bar this time.

Just like some fellow trip reporters on this route, I was treated to a lovely sunset

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The cloud had built up over the North Sea. The pilot then informed us that we were holding due to the high volume of traffic at AMS. After a bit of circling we started our descent, along with a couple of other aircraft which I could identify to our right.

Landing was on runway 06 again at 1933, followed by another short taxi. We had a brief delay, the pilot told us that there was some confusion as to which stand we had been allocated.

Bye bye!
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Amsterdam take 2

No need for any power walking, I had more than enough time. I stopped in a nice big souvenir shop that I’d seen on Sunday. I looked at some KLM models, but no F70, so I settled on an aviation souvenir of the cuddly variety, yes, I’m a child at heart.

I proceeded through passport control, after which came another security check. There were no big queues here, although things could be different and if you had a tight connection it wouldn’t be much fun.

FIDS


Heading to B
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Starbucks, what else?
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This bar looks pretty cool
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I stopped at a couple more shops on my way, picked up an early christmas present (I love doing this!) and a bottle of water and then wandered over to the gate B02, where I had time to read before the boarding started.

Another slightly dated bus gate area
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AMS-ZRH
KL1969
STD 2055/ATD 2124
STA 2220/ATA 2224
E190 PH-EZG
Seat 26A
3rd flight on the E190, 1st on this aircraft

Boarding for the last leg
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Once again, we were bussed out to the aircraft. The load was about 75% so I had the back row to myself. 2 female members of cabin crew on this leg.

The E190
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Legroom
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There was a short delay pushing back, the UK pilot informed us that there would be a wait to take off as it was a busy time of the day (or night). Pushback was at 2104. On all the flights the safety demo was performed in Dutch & English, something I found good. On LX for example, the demo is only done in English.

Passing all the Fokkers
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There was indeed a big queue of planes before us. A 777 was heading off somewhere exotic, followed by an easyJet and a couple of KL 737s. We finally started down the runway at 2124.

Service started from the back of the aircraft. Here are my inflight snacks - the cereal bar was from LPL-AMS and the sandwiches courtesy of Boots. I love the cute cups KLM use for hot drinks with the Delft design.
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After eating I dozed off to some tunes on my ipod, only taking my headphones off to listen to some info from the flight deck. We had taken off to the South, were now passing Frankfurt and were cruising at 31000ft.

There were some views to be had on approach, but even now I always seem to lose my bearings on approach into ZRH in the dark. We came in over Kloten and landed on runway 28 at 2224, exactly 1hr after departure.

We taxied round to our parking position and de-boarding was fast thanks to two sets of stairs. The luggage was delivered remarkably quickly, my case was one of the first off.


My verdict:

A very positive experience on KLM. I had no problems with my connections, the flights were comfortable and the crews were friendly. The inflight snack could be a little more generous. Transiting at AMS was also a pleasant experience with helpful staff.

It’s a real shame that the Liverpool route hasn’t been a success for KLM. It was nice to see them at John Lennon and I’m sure the wordlwide connections were appreciated by the locals. However, as brought up by Eric, could the reason be the lack of suitability of the airport for a full service carrier?

Seeing that LX are stopping their BSL-MAN flights and ezy ZRH-MAN, I will be grateful of some interesting and cheap ways of getting back to the North of England. Swiss has already upped prices by a horrendous amount on the ZRH-MAN route, so who knows, I might be using KLM into Manchester next.

Stay tuned for my next reports: I have a very exciting ZRH-SIN-AKL/CHC-SYD-SIN-ZRH trip coming up!

Thanks for reading and comments are always appreciated.

Happy flying
Infodesk   



"Do nothing in haste, look well to each step and from the beginning think what may be the end" - Edward Whymper
User currently offlineMH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1692 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 9003 times:

A nice read, H., especially seeing you travelled on KLM cityhopper ZRH-LPL via AMS...

That 747SP is from Qatari Government...only a few SP's are still flying around, so it was quite a rare sight for you...

Comparing the "old" Fokker to the "new" Embraer, which one you prefer ?

Was your return portion also on KLC or did you choose another airline ? Would like to see the comparison if you did...

Thanks for sharing !!!

Pieter/MH017

Edit: your 2nd installment and my question crossed eachother, so please void...

[Edited 2012-03-30 04:29:39]


don't throw away tomorrow !
User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 8955 times:

Hannah,
thanks for this wonderful report on your LPL flights.

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
If I was lucky, I would log the F70 on the LPL legs, a type I’ve never flown on before.

Sure the reason to do this!

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
There wasn’t much choice of seats, most of them were blocked off

With some status, the seats open for you, it seems. I have never problems anymore to choose my desired seat since I'm FB Elite.

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
Anyway, all the KLM flights were behaving today so I hoped that was a good omen.

Haha, the Dutch always behave  
Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
E190 PH-EZP

Can you believe, I booked already 3x on KLM's E90, but 3x they changed to F100 or 737. So far, this one is still to do on KLM for me. Next booking is for June... hopefully no changes for me.

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
An unusual visitor, any ideas?

VP-BAT, Qatar Amiri Flight.

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
Drinks service started promptly, a choice of a sweet or savoury snack. I guess this would be my only complaint on KLM – on a flight of over an hour it’s not very substanstial.

Yes, I also think this is not substantial these days. Hopefully not a fixed change... dunno.

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
Interestingly no gate information was given for connecting passengers, we were just told to check the monitors in the terminal

I guess a lot of connections, hence too much info. Passengers usually would forget about it again anyway. The 737-700 have gate info for connections onboard, using the screens. Also on the longhaul aircraft.

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
The officier was very friendly, he asked me where I was flying and after I told him Liverpool he looked at my place of birth and said „Aha, and then on to xxx?“. I was so surprised that I just laughed and told him yes, he was indeed correct, he wished me a good flight and I bid him goodbye.

Good to hear! Friendly people also excist, even at the security checkpoints  
Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
Note the whopping 33minute walk to the LGW gate.

No way... 10 minutes max without stopping and shopping. And a good speed.

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
There was a boarding pass & passport check, followed by security (with Eric’s favourite body scanner) and again, all the staff were so friendly.

I would definitely opt out for the body scanner these days indeed

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
I boarded at leisure, taking in the coveted F70, that Lee, Eric & Robert sadly missed on their recent LPL-AMS hop.

For me, not such a problem since I did the F70 numerous times before, but I felt sad for Lee and Robert indeed

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
In baggage claim the belt was clearly marked as number 2 where eveyone had congregated, when eventually the bags appeared on number 1!

Haha... not so good expression on arrival, but glad you found out.

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
Anyway, I was delighted to see my suitcase appear, I was convinced it was going to get lost in the catacombs of Schiphol.

No, usually no bags go lost in AMS when the tags are all readable etc. It's a very enhanced system we have, with a minimum lost baggage in the industry (it seems)

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
On my way to the airport I snapped this picture of the Runcorn bridge

Beautiful! I think we drove also over this one coming from MAN, but I was too late for a picture.

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
Welcome to Liverpool

Familiar sight here  
Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
Interestingly, she informed me that I could use the fast track lane at security, must be a perk of flying KLM and not a lo-co carrier, or at least so I thought. Those of you that read Eric’s report will know that he had to ask for access to the fast track, whereas Lee & Robert queued with everyone else. Very strange.

Hmm... this seems to differ depending on staff?

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
There was a boarding pass check and here the lady again told me I could use the fast track lane. Usually this pleasure costs £4, but I don’t agree with the principle. She told me just to push the gates open and ignore the noise. Hmmm, sounds interesting.

At this point I was asking for the priority lane, and showed my KLM card.

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
I lost my loose change here

Some excitement for flying. What would you've done when you got the jackpot? More shopping probably?

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
Just like some fellow trip reporters on this route, I was treated to a lovely sunset

Beautiful and true IFE. You choosed the right side to sit

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
I looked at some KLM models, but no F70, so I settled on an aviation souvenir of the cuddly variety, yes, I’m a child at heart.

So, you're looking for KLM's F70 model? Maybe I can find one for you, if you wish?

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
On all the flights the safety demo was performed in Dutch & English, something I found good. On LX for example, the demo is only done in English.

LX should do not only English then, but German, and French? Italian? haha.... complicated

All together, a very good read. You finished writing in time for your big upcoming trip! Good to hear the positive experience in AMS and KL... except for the catering.

Regards
Eric



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User currently offlineEurohub From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 8948 times:

Hi infodesk,

AMS-LPL seems to be quite popular with trip reporters at the moment!

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
FIDS. Note the whopping 33minute walk to the LGW gate.

The H-gates are reserved exclusively for the use of the LCC airlines that serve AMS - basically just a warehouse devoid of shops and facilities just the way the likes of EZY and WW like it! Just like the airline schedules though, the estimated walking time seems to have a bit of padding! Perhaps 33 mins only applies if you are missing a leg or are walking backwards!

Quoting infodesk (Reply 1):
Seeing that LX are stopping their BSL-MAN flights

Yes, that's quite a blow, but I see there are some quite attractive fares being offered by LX for MAN-ZRH-BSL utilising the 'airtrain' between ZRH-BSL. It's a toss-up between that and going via AMS for my next trip in June.

Regards,
Eurohub



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User currently offlineOlafW From Germany, joined Jul 2009, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 8876 times:

Thanks H for a nice report.
Seems there is consistency in KLMs operations. Everything seemed very familiar to me - except LPL where I haven't been to yet. I also agree on the food options, that's just not enough. I remember that on some flight I got sandwiches, strangely enough on the shorter hop from AMS to CWL, but not on ZRH-AMS. But then again this was about two years ago. The choices became less afterwards, dropping to first both a sweet and a savoury snack and finally to the choice of one like you experienced. At one point during this transition I grabbed both packs as I was used to, but apparently not supposed to. My luck that looks can't kill...

Quoting MH017 (Reply 2):
That 747SP is from Qatari Government...only a few SP's are still flying around, so it was quite a rare sight for you...

Agree on the SPs, but VP-BAT is a fairly frequent visitor to Zurich. Rumour's going round that somebody from Qatar like shopping in Zurich. Still a nice sight, and even without the light post in the way!

Quoting infodesk (Reply 1):
I have a very exciting ZRH-SIN-AKL/CHC-SYD-SIN-ZRH trip coming up!

Looking forward to that. Just came back from New Zealand 2 weeks ago myself!


User currently offlinesultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1771 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 8723 times:
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Hello Hannah!

How nice to see another fine report from you! No cockpit access this time, no heli ride into the mountains either but in stead some little jolly rides on blue exotic planes. That’s really the way to go. For LPL airport, there’s only 1 suitable word: (a) dump...

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
It annoys me.

I understand. It’s like every time you have to beg to get the discount you are eligible for.

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
I will never understand why airports give two competing airlines slots to the same destination at the same time.

Let alone what happens if the same carrier schedules the same destination at the same time. Happens sometimes with those odd charters. I bet it confuses the hell out of all those non frequent flying holiday makers  

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
I even saw my case being loaded on

Being loaded on or being thrown on?

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
My first KLM flight

  

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
I spy with my little eye…..

You second favourite habitat?

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
the pilot put the seatbelt sign on immediately and I was impressed to see the blonde member of cabin crew walk down the aisle checking that everyone had indeed got their seatbelt fastened.

And that’s the way it should be.

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
FIDS. Note the whopping 33minute walk to the LGW gate.

Forget about short connections at AMS, although this refers to the LCC terminal and the most part of pax don’t connect on these kind of flights.

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
This area reminded me of the old B22-29 Non-Schengen gates at ZRH - not the most inspiring of places.

I departed once from there on my way to IST on LX some 5 years ago. The only view you’ll see or that of (Co)buses...

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
I boarded at leisure, taking in the coveted F70, that Lee, Eric & Robert sadly missed on their recent LPL-AMS hop.

Yes, rub it in some more   

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
I won’t even try and work out which one it was, perhaps Polderbaan?

If the taxi time was really (x3) long, then you’re most probably right!

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
Shortly after take off, somebody decided to remove their shoes.

Are you sure Jonas was not on your flight. He takes out his shoes as well.

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
However, as brought up by Eric, could the reason be the lack of suitability of the airport for a full service carrier?

My opinion as well.

Sultanils



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User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 8685 times:

Quoting OlafW (Reply 5):
I also agree on the food options, that's just not enough. I remember that on some flight I got sandwiches, strangely enough on the shorter hop from AMS to CWL, but not on ZRH-AMS. But then again this was about two years ago. The choices became less afterwards, dropping to first both a sweet and a savoury snack and finally to the choice of one like you experienced.

That's not fully correct. Until 1 or 2 months ago I received always a sandwich pack on KLM, just very recently the sweet/savory snack choice comes around which dissappoints indeed.
I am flying KLM tomorrow twice, so I'll see if there is something different for me.



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User currently offlineOlafW From Germany, joined Jul 2009, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 8656 times:

Hi eric,

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 7):
Until 1 or 2 months ago I received always a sandwich pack on KLM, just very recently the sweet/savory snack choice comes around which dissappoints indeed.

Ok, so much for consistency...
My experiences are base on 3 or 4 returns ZRH-AMS-CWL in 2010 and one flight in December 2011, so I assumed it was the same in between. If I remember correctly, I had no flights around noon - did you? Maybe they only get out sandwiches at lunchtime. Otherwise it leaves me wondering what is the concept or if there is any concept at all...


User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1714 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 8645 times:

Hoi Hannah, nice report! Very interesting to see your side of the LPL story. A bit less of an adventure compared to the guys, but still some pleasant flights it seems.

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
In February I had an exciting Sion-STN-Sion rotation booked with Titan Airways, but a nasty case of the flu put an end to that.

Oh dear, your flying year so far sounds almost as bad as 2010 was to me. Let's hope things get better from now.

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
I didn’t realise that KL start their online check-in 30 hours before departure, a nice touch.

A nice touch indeed. AF start OLCI at T-minus 36 hours.

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
An unusual visitor, any ideas?

Logo in the tail looks a lot similar to the old KLM-NWA alliance logo. Maybe they copied it  
Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
More aircraft waiting behind us

Well thank God it wasn't the long haul rush hour at 1pm. But then again this is ZRH so everything is civilized  
Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
My snack

Looks quite abysmal these days. Did they offer any soft drinks?

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Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
Some ladies further back were obviously even happier, as they started chanting „Liverpoool, Liverpooool“!

Sadly that won't be for too long  
Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
I was amazed, the route is being axed and the plane was completely full.

Well, who knows maybe they too wanted to say goodbye to the route before it disappears  
Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
Here are my inflight snacks - the cereal bar was from LPL-AMS and the sandwiches courtesy of Boots.

That looks quite a bit nicer. Good price on the sandwich also, always imagined airport sandwiches would cost at least 10 times as much 

"Wheels Up!"
//Jonas

[Edited 2012-03-30 08:00:28]

[Edited 2012-03-30 08:02:33]


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User currently offlinejwhite9185 From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 1369 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 8556 times:

Nice report - makes me want to get on a KL F70 to AMS soon!

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
Note the whopping 33minute walk to the LGW gate.

Surely it would be quicker to walk to LGW?!



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User currently offlineinfodesk From Switzerland, joined May 2006, 1464 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 9 hours ago) and read 8434 times:

Evening gentlemen,

Thank you so much for your feedback and to those of you who enlightened me on the special Qatari 747.


Pieter,

Quoting MH017 (Reply 2):
Comparing the "old" Fokker to the "new" Embraer, which one you prefer ?

Difficult really. The Embraer is perhaps more comfortable, but I do like the real "flying" feeling you get in the Fokkers, particularly the power on take off. I'm going to enjoy them as long as they're around.

Eric,

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 3):
With some status, the seats open for you, it seems. I have never problems anymore to choose my desired seat since I'm FB Elite.

Yeah, I guess this is the case, a similar situation to LX. They often reserve the front rows for the status members.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 3):
Can you believe, I booked already 3x on KLM's E90, but 3x they changed to F100 or 737. So far, this one is still to do on KLM for me. Next booking is for June... hopefully no changes for me.

Wow, that does surprise me! They do sometimes send a 737 to zurich but only if the load requires it.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 3):
guess a lot of connections, hence too much info. Passengers usually would forget about it again anyway. The 737-700 have gate info for connections onboard, using the screens. Also on the longhaul aircraft.

Like with LX then. True most passengers don't listen, Ï know that all too well from work....

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 3):
Good to hear! Friendly people also excist, even at the security checkpoints

But you don't seem to find them that often  
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 3):
I would definitely opt out for the body scanner these days indeed

I've used it a few times at MAN, I think they were one of the first places to introduce it.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 3):
No, usually no bags go lost in AMS when the tags are all readable etc. It's a very enhanced system we have, with a minimum lost baggage in the industry (it seems)

Ok, good info. KLM seem to (unfairly?) have a bit of a reputation at the lost and found here at ZRH, so I was basing my doubts on that.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 3):
Beautiful! I think we drove also over this one coming from MAN, but I was too late for a picture.

Yes, you would have done.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 3):
Some excitement for flying. What would you've done when you got the jackpot? More shopping probably?

Haha, you mean the jackpot of about £2?! Probably, yes, I would have splashed out and bought myself a treat!

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 3):
Hmm... this seems to differ depending on staff?

So it seems, sadly.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 3):
So, you're looking for KLM's F70 model? Maybe I can find one for you, if you wish?

Well, my rule is only to buy models that I've flown on. I may well find one on the internet if I look, but should you see one anywhere at AMS, then I certainly wouldn't say no, dank u wel!

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 3):
LX should do not only English then, but German, and French? Italian? haha.... complicated

It's a tough one. When I think of say my in-laws travelling, they speak very little English and I'm sure they couldn't follow all the instructions. When they take a flight leaving from ZRH I think they should be able to hear it in their mother tongue.

Eurohub,

Quoting Eurohub (Reply 4):
The H-gates are reserved exclusively for the use of the LCC airlines that serve AMS - basically just a warehouse devoid of shops and facilities just the way the likes of EZY and WW like it! Just like the airline schedules though, the estimated walking time seems to have a bit of padding! Perhaps 33 mins only applies if you are missing a leg or are walking backwards!

I did use them once and hence never saw the main part of AMS airside which is so nice. As Eric suggested, it seems the timings are a bit out though!

Quoting Eurohub (Reply 4):
Yes, that's quite a blow, but I see there are some quite attractive fares being offered by LX for MAN-ZRH-BSL utilising the 'airtrain' between ZRH-BSL. It's a toss-up between that and going via AMS for my next trip in June.

Funnily enough, the fares ex UK have only gone up by a small amount. Ex Switzerland they have virtually doubled. I already tried the trick with BSL-ZRH-MAN but sadly it comes out even more expensive.....


Olaf,

Quoting OlafW (Reply 5):
Looking forward to that. Just came back from New Zealand 2 weeks ago myself!

Wow, hope you had a good trip.

Quoting OlafW (Reply 5):
I also agree on the food options, that's just not enough. I remember that on some flight I got sandwiches, strangely enough on the shorter hop from AMS to CWL, but not on ZRH-AMS. But then again this was about two years ago. The choices became less afterwards, dropping to first both a sweet and a savoury snack and finally to the choice of one like you experienced. At one point during this transition I grabbed both packs as I was used to, but apparently not supposed to. My luck that looks can't kill...

Surely they didn't mind that much?! Those salted crackers are gone in about 4 mouthfuls!!

Nils,

Quoting sultanils (Reply 6):
How nice to see another fine report from you! No cockpit access this time, no heli ride into the mountains either but in stead some little jolly rides on blue exotic planes.

Well, you have to come down to earth with a bump sooner or later!

Quoting sultanils (Reply 6):
For LPL airport, there’s only 1 suitable word: (a) dump...

Yeah, it seems you're not the only one with that opinion  
Quoting sultanils (Reply 6):
understand. It’s like every time you have to beg to get the discount you are eligible for.

Absolutely. And I really did have to beg this time.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 6):
Being loaded on or being thrown on?

It seemed quite civilised, so I'll stick with loaded!

Quoting sultanils (Reply 6):
You second favourite habitat?

Well guessed.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 6):
And that’s the way it should be.

Yes, you're quite right. It's something which I've never really noticed on LX in recent times, unless I've just not been paying attention.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 6):
Forget about short connections at AMS, although this refers to the LCC terminal and the most part of pax don’t connect on these kind of flights.

Probably Lee was one of a kind when he made a similar connection on his trip! Important to know you need to have plenty of time in reserve if you are planning such a transfer.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 6):
departed once from there on my way to IST on LX some 5 years ago. The only view you’ll see or that of (Co)buses...

Thankfully they are a thing of the past (well, for the moment, if ZRH runs out of gates again they might reopen them).

Quoting sultanils (Reply 6):
Are you sure Jonas was not on your flight. He takes out his shoes as well.

Nah, I was definitely the only one taking photographs on the apron!!

Jonas,

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 9):
A bit less of an adventure compared to the guys, but still some pleasant flights it seems.

Yes, my flying adventures are certainly less hardcore than some people on this forum.....

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 9):
Oh dear, your flying year so far sounds almost as bad as 2010 was to me. Let's hope things get better from now.

Fingers crossed. Although I think you did ok so far with a few European hops and you have some exciting trips in the pipeline.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 9):
Looks quite abysmal these days. Did they offer any soft drinks?

They did, even beer & wine I'm sure.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 9):
Well, who knows maybe they too wanted to say goodbye to the route before it disappears

So looks like I wasn't the only one then....

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 9):
That looks quite a bit nicer. Good price on the sandwich also, always imagined airport sandwiches would cost at least 10 times as much

Now that Jonas, is why I always buy my sandwiches in Boots. They are the same price as on the High Street, you get the meal deal offer with a drink and a snack. One of the good things about UK airports, that it's possible to find "normal" shops airside, unlike say at ZRH.

Hello jwhite9185

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 10):
Nice report - makes me want to get on a KL F70 to AMS soon!

They're a nice catch and not that easy to find now.

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 10):
Surely it would be quicker to walk to LGW?!

   Damn that blasted sea in the way.......

Happy flying
Infodesk   



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User currently offlineakhmad From Netherlands, joined Sep 2005, 2487 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 8 hours ago) and read 8343 times:

Hi Hannah,

What a great report! How fascinating to see LPL being covered from various points of view. Of course, I was curious about your opinion as a well experienced LPL traveler!   


Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
It was rather exciting to receive a baggage tag with LPL on it in Zurich!

I can imagine that. It is like receiving a baggage tag with BDO for me in Singapore.  


Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
A number lights up and a very English sounding voice tells me „Cashier number 3 please“.

Do you think that things work better this way?

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
I will never understand why airports give two competing airlines slots to the same destination at the same time.

One for the money, two for the show.

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
Swiss never manage this.

Cost saving measure?

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
She had such a bubbly personality, an infectious smile and took her time explaining how the exit row works to the gentlemen who were sat there. She created a very good impression.

Why did I have an impression that the crew member was actually you?   


Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
This is my favourite

Mine too!

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
Interestingly no gate information was given for connecting passengers, we were just told to check the monitors in the terminal.

Could the crew members not be supplied with any information about flight connections?

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
The officier was very friendly, he asked me where I was flying and after I told him Liverpool he looked at my place of birth and said „Aha, and then on to xxx?“. I was so surprised that I just laughed and told him yes, he was indeed correct, he wished me a good flight and I bid him goodbye.

Lovely! I never had any problem with AMS border officer.

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
followed by security (with Eric’s favourite body scanner)

  


Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
I boarded at leisure, taking in the coveted F70, that Lee, Eric & Robert sadly missed on their recent LPL-AMS hop.
Quoting infodesk (Reply 1):
Those of you that read Eric’s report will know that he had to ask for access to the fast track, whereas Lee & Robert queued with everyone else. Very strange.
Quoting infodesk (Reply 1):
There was a boarding pass check and here the lady again told me I could use the fast track lane. Usually this pleasure costs £4, but I don’t agree with the principle. She told me just to push the gates open and ignore the noise. Hmmm, sounds interesting.

Both KL and LPL know how to treat a lady. 


Quoting infodesk (Reply 1):
No, no such things exists in Liverpool.

Business opportunity!

Quoting infodesk (Reply 1):
Lots of ads for KLM, although no good if the LPL-AMS route is stopping.

Your photo will soon become a tribute!

Quoting infodesk (Reply 1):
Well, the escalator worked up to the first floor and then I found this:

What was that supposed to mean? Just for laugh?

Quoting infodesk (Reply 1):
followed by the glares of those that had been standing there for 10 or more minutes. I could get used to this!

I wish I was there to see it.  


Quoting infodesk (Reply 1):
Souvenirs anyone?

Yes, please! Give me a baseball cap with LPL on it!

Quoting infodesk (Reply 1):
Our neighbour, ironically heading for Geneva

What a crowd through the front door!

Quoting infodesk (Reply 1):
A horrible whiff of smelly socks drafted through the cabin.

   I would not be surprised if the F70 became out of order for the rest of the day.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 1):
I settled on an aviation souvenir of the cuddly variety, yes, I’m a child at heart.

Which one? You make me curious.  


Quoting infodesk (Reply 1):
A 777 was heading off somewhere exotic

Bali?

Quoting infodesk (Reply 1):
Stay tuned for my next reports: I have a very exciting ZRH-SIN-AKL/CHC-SYD-SIN-ZRH trip coming up!

Looking forward to reading all of them.


Thank you for sharing. Allow me to wishing you wonderful journeys to New Zealand!

Warm regards,
Suryo



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User currently offlineKnightsofmalta From Malta, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 1843 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 8 hours ago) and read 8337 times:

Hi Hannah

Thanks for the good read. And good to see you were satisfied with your first KLM experience. I quite like KLM as well, but I agree with you that their food offerings in Economy could be more substantial. Strangely enough, on a morning flight with them from Basel in November we got a sandwich. But perhaps that was only because it was early in the morning.

Looking forward to reading your report from down under!

Cheers,
William


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6903 posts, RR: 77
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 8 hours ago) and read 8308 times:

Hi Hannah,

nice report, congratulations on your first Fokker 70 flight! I have never been a fan of the Fokkers, I'd prefer an E-Jet any day. But tastes are different!

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
Ryanair land?

  

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
I love the cute cups KLM use for hot drinks with the Delft design.

I can only agree.

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
Stay tuned for my next reports: I have a very exciting ZRH-SIN-AKL/CHC-SYD-SIN-ZRH trip coming up!

I'm looking forward to your SQ report!


PH



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27245 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 6 hours ago) and read 8164 times:

Hey Hannah ,
Lovely read and report by you . Nothing at all wrong with the photos they were nice.

Shame that KLM is stopping the route . Your photos of ZRH make me want to go back so much I miss it alot .

Thanks for a nice evening read.

Regards

Philip  


User currently offlinejrfspa320 From Australia, joined Sep 2005, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7871 times:

Nice report, thanks! I have used LPL a number of times, and it is a bit of a dump, But the views of the City can be great after take-off.

Shame the route is being axed, seems to be quite busy!


User currently offlineroberts87 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2011, 1014 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7765 times:

Nice report! Glad you enjoyed your flights on KLM

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
A number lights up and a very English sounding voice tells me „Cashier number 3 please

Yeah, kinda nice that they have the exact same voice as in all the English branches..

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
LX flight to AMS, which rather confusingly also leaves at 1730. I will never understand why airports give two competing airlines slots to the same destination at the same time. I took the first bus out to the aircraft. I had deliberately chosen a seat not too far back incase it was tight at AMS

Hmm, I have to admit that this happened to me at ZRH too, with a BA and LX flight leaving for LHR around the same time. I did found out a little more on time then this guy did  
Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
FIDS. Note the whopping 33minute walk to the LGW gate.

Well, there on the conservative side with those numbers. You can do it a lot faster, even at a normal pace.


User currently offlineCaptainRed From Germany, joined Oct 2010, 715 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7643 times:

Hello Hannah,

what a nice report, a very good read. Good that you took the flight to LPL as well before the route will be axed. Having been to AMS with KLM just a few days before you a lot of your report was very familiar for me.

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
E190 PH-EZP

Cool, this bird took me from STR to AMS and back.

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
This is my favourite

Indeed, what a lovely picture. These winglets always make these inflight pictures so much more interesting. I also like the beautiful sunset photos you took.

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
I guess this would be my only complaint on KLM – on a flight of over an hour it’s not very substanstial.

Indeed, that was also a bit disappointing on my flights with them. Especially since they served a very nice sandwich on the morning flight.

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
1st flight on the F70

Cool, congrats on logging the F70, this one is also still missing in my log.

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
The employee told me to proceed to lane 5, ‘madam’, followed by the glares of those that had been standing there for 10 or more minutes.

Nice story, I wonder that they don't have a way for this without setting of the alarm. But still, for sure a nice feeling to pass the long rows of LCC passengers. Doesn't it feel a bit like business class   ?

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
This bar looks pretty cool

I remember that one, took a picture of it as well.

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
Stay tuned for my next reports: I have a very exciting ZRH-SIN-AKL/CHC-SYD-SIN-ZRH trip coming up!

Wow, that is for sure an interesting route. Have some very nice flights and enjoy your time down in New Zealand. And bring back a nice report for us of course   ...

CaptainRed


User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7596 times:

Hi Hannah!

Great report as usual!
Good idea to fly the F70 before it's gone from our skies, on a route that soon won't fly anymore.
KLM looks quite nice, and AMS as good as ever.

Martin


User currently offlineinfodesk From Switzerland, joined May 2006, 1464 posts, RR: 33
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7476 times:

Hi guys,

Great to see some more replies, thank you!

Suryo,

What kind comments you wrote....

Quoting akhmad (Reply 12):
I can imagine that. It is like receiving a baggage tag with BDO for me in Singapore.

There was no way that was ending up in the bin, it went straight in my special folder!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 12):
Do you think that things work better this way?

Sadly no, people are still oblivious to the fact that the cashier is free and they should really move to the till....too busy on their phones etc.!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 12):
Cost saving measure?

Well, if AB & KL can manage it, then LX should be able to as well.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 12):
Why did I have an impression that the crew member was actually you?

Oh, Suryo, what a charmer you are   I'm not sure I fit that description but thank you anyway!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 12):
Could the crew members not be supplied with any information about flight connections?

I'm sure they could, but I guess as Eric said it might be too much info so they don't bother at all.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 12):
Business opportunity!

I suppose the "average" LPL traveller on FR & EZY doesn't need the service, so it didn't surprise me that they don't have such a facility.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 12):
What was that supposed to mean? Just for laugh?

Well, they have a funny sense of humour if that's the case!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 12):
Yes, please! Give me a baseball cap with LPL on it!

Ok, I'll know for next time  
Quoting akhmad (Reply 12):
What a crowd through the front door!

Yeah, it made me smile too. I love assigned seating......

Quoting akhmad (Reply 12):
would not be surprised if the F70 became out of order for the rest of the day.

As it was evening when we reached AMS, maybe the aircraft got to go to bed early?

Quoting akhmad (Reply 12):
Which one? You make me curious.

Ok, by special demand I proudly present Miffy the KLM pilot. Cute, isn't he?

Quoting akhmad (Reply 12):
Thank you for sharing. Allow me to wishing you wonderful journeys to New Zealand!

Thank you! I look forward to hearing all about your travels too.

William,

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 13):
Thanks for the good read. And good to see you were satisfied with your first KLM experience. I quite like KLM as well, but I agree with you that their food offerings in Economy could be more substantial. Strangely enough, on a morning flight with them from Basel in November we got a sandwich. But perhaps that was only because it was early in the morning.

So it seems that KLM's catering concept is rather confusing. I wonder how they're doing from BSL, isn't that route fairly new?

PH,

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 14):
nice report, congratulations on your first Fokker 70 flight! I have never been a fan of the Fokkers, I'd prefer an E-Jet any day. But tastes are different!

The E-jets are nice and comfortable for sure. I didn't like the Fokkers at first but they have grown on me, especially as I end up on them with Helvetic to MAN now and again.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 14):
can only agree.

I'm sure those Delft houses you got given on your flight have pride of place at home!

Philip,

Quoting OA260 (Reply 15):
Shame that KLM is stopping the route . Your photos of ZRH make me want to go back so much I miss it alot .

Yeah, I was thinking I haven't seen a ZRH report by you for some time! Time to get some of those nice Swiss francs I think  


jrfspa320,

Quoting jrfspa320 (Reply 16):
Nice report, thanks! I have used LPL a number of times, and it is a bit of a dump, But the views of the City can be great after take-off.

Yes, the views can be very nice indeed, but it wasn't to be this time. Pity.

Quoting jrfspa320 (Reply 16):
Shame the route is being axed, seems to be quite busy!

This always seems to happen to me, routes that I like are axed despite the loads being good. I'll never get to the bottom of it......

Robert,

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 17):
Yeah, kinda nice that they have the exact same voice as in all the English branches..

I am so certain it's the same guy, it sounds exactly the same!

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 17):
Hmm, I have to admit that this happened to me at ZRH too, with a BA and LX flight leaving for LHR around the same time. I did found out a little more on time then this guy did

You're right, there are 2 LHR flights at the same time. But it goes to show you have to check those screens so carefully.

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 17):
Well, there on the conservative side with those numbers. You can do it a lot faster, even at a normal pace.

Ok, good to know.

Captain,

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 18):
Indeed, what a lovely picture. These winglets always make these inflight pictures so much more interesting. I also like the beautiful sunset photos you took.

I'm a sucker for nice winglets. They do make your photos all the more special.

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 18):
Indeed, that was also a bit disappointing on my flights with them. Especially since they served a very nice sandwich on the morning flight.

So someone else who got a sandwich on KLM. Maybe next time I'd be better buying a lottery ticket and seeing if i have more luck then  
Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 18):
Cool, congrats on logging the F70, this one is also still missing in my log.

It seems KLM is the best way to go to log it, assuming there's no schedule change like the others got.

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 18):
Nice story, I wonder that they don't have a way for this without setting of the alarm. But still, for sure a nice feeling to pass the long rows of LCC passengers. Doesn't it feel a bit like business class ?

I think Eric said the lady manually opened the gate for him. Maybe she didn't want to do this because there was a big queue of people behind, but it does seem a funny system. I did rather enjoy the business class feeling, I'm not used to it!!

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 18):
Wow, that is for sure an interesting route. Have some very nice flights and enjoy your time down in New Zealand. And bring back a nice report for us of course

Danke. Those reports will keep me busy for a while I think!I

Martin,

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 19):

Good idea to fly the F70 before it's gone from our skies, on a route that soon won't fly anymore.
KLM looks quite nice, and AMS as good as ever.

I am so happy to have logged this combo and can certainly recommend KLM to you.

Happy flying
Infodesk   

[Edited 2012-03-31 09:21:30]


"Do nothing in haste, look well to each step and from the beginning think what may be the end" - Edward Whymper
User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3335 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7399 times:

Nice report Hannah, but I think we've all read enough now about KL and LPL!  
Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
On top of that, a new queuing system has been introduced. I actually had to rub my eyes, because I thought I had suddenly been transported to the UK & was standing in a branch of Boots. A number lights up and a very English sounding voice tells me „Cashier number 3 please“.

So is it an improvement for the customers of ZRH?

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
This is my favourite

Lovely pic

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
FIDS. Note the whopping 33minute walk to the LGW gate.

I don't think those times are very accurate - it say something like 13 mins to my gate, and I was there in around 6.

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
There was a boarding pass check and here the lady again told me I could use the fast track lane. Usually this pleasure costs £4, but I don’t agree with the principle. She told me just to push the gates open and ignore the noise. Hmmm, sounds interesting. Whilst the mass of easyJet and Ryanair passengers headed off to the left, I was able to take the tunnel on the right, full of glistening pink lights like a stairway to heaven. Well, it was until the alarm sounded. Keep going I thought, she told you to ignore the alarm bells. Hoping nobody was watching, I proceeded through the tunnel, to be dumped into the bright, low-cost security hall, albeit at the very front of the queue. The employee told me to proceed to lane 5, ‘madam’, followed by the glares of those that had been standing there for 10 or more minutes. I could get used to this!

Ha, more strangeness at LPL - perhaps it LPLs way to try and keep KL sweet? ALong with the soon-to-be defunct advertising?



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User currently offlineMH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1692 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7350 times:

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 19):
Good idea to fly the F70 before it's gone from our skies

KLM has decided to keep them operational till 2018...



don't throw away tomorrow !
User currently offlineROGERBCN From Andorra, joined Sep 2006, 1209 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7189 times:

Hola Hannah!

A great read and very interesting pictures on this sunny spring morning in the Med.

I have been quite lazy lately in writing or reading but your TRs are always a pleasure to look at, very well written and perfectly pictured  

KLM always offer a very good service, as far as I remember, and transiting through AMS is always a bonus, a great airport.

Quoting infodesk (Thread starter):
This is my favourite

Definitely one of the best pictures, you must try to sell it to KLM. It would look great on their magazine.

Great job and happy flights, that sure are adventurous and mouth watering.

Salut!

Roger



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User currently offlineKnightsofmalta From Malta, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 1843 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7109 times:

Hi Hannah

Quoting infodesk (Reply 20):
I wonder how they're doing from BSL, isn't that route fairly new?

I think they must be doing alright actually. Initially the flight was operated by Air France City Jet with one of those horribly cramped little six-abreast RJ85s. But then after a bit a more than a year they switched to the Cityhopper Fokker 70. And now from the winter schedule 2012 on, the Fokker 70 will be replaced by the larger Embraer 190.

Cheers,
William


25 Post contains images infodesk : Evening all, Great to see some more replies, thank you! Gabriel, It's amazing what axing a route can do to its popularity! I don't think so, most trav
26 Post contains images FlyingFinn76 : Hi Hannah, Nice to see you breaking from your usual modus operandi and trying something different - even with a connection thrown in! Very good. This
27 Post contains images infodesk : Hi P, Nice to see your reply. Yes, I enjoyed it. Made a nice change from the usual. I like the E190 too. Although I obviously don’t have the compari
28 Post contains images photoshooter : Hannah, great trip report you've got there! I'm not so sure but I think that's ... yes.. a 747SP! lol, I have no idea who's bird that is, sorry! Ouch,
29 MSS658 : Hey Hannah! Nice report, thanks for sharing. Nice to see the good -old F70 appearing on the AMS-LPL-AMS leg. PH-KZL, the bird on AMS-LPL I've logged b
30 FLIEGER67 : Hoi, Hannah, a really well written experience. Finally time for me now to follow you´re story. You know my special relationship with these company!.
31 Post contains images infodesk : Evening gentleman, Thank you taking the time to leave a reply! Niek, No worries, some of the others were able to identify it. Believe it or not, I don
32 palmjet : Hi Hannah Great report - nice to see you got the F70. I've not got one on my log yet - although I have been on several F100s. Must get around to booki
33 Post contains links and images 717Flyer : Hi Hannah, I think you have no reason to apologize for something you call "poor quality of some of the photos". That's nonsense - this report was grea
34 Post contains images infodesk : More replies, thanks guys! Hi Palmjet, It was similar situation here with several F100s but no F70s. Definitely worth trying to log. So it seems. I wo
35 Post contains images signol : Hi Hannah, nice report, another "last look" at AMS-LPL A shame the route is going, the loads may have been high but maybe not the yields. KL is my 2nd
36 Post contains images zululima : Care to rephrase? More seriously though, I enjoyed your trip report. I hope to be on a Cityhopper F70 myself later this year.
37 Post contains images stipica : Hi Infodesk ! me late ...ehhehe ... nice KLM experience ... It's been many years since my last flight with them... it is nice that they are still stro
38 Post contains images infodesk : Thanks to Stipica for reviving this one, as I didn't realise there were 2 unread replies! Hi Signol, Sadly, so it seems. Surprising that. Still, I sup
39 Post contains images Parton87 : Hello Hannah! Thanks for the great story! Sorry, I´ve to missed it when you upload it because I haven´t seen it before Anyway, really nice to read a
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