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Andes Hopping On Taca Perú And TAM: LPB-LIM-GRU  
User currently offlinevolvair From Germany, joined Oct 2011, 167 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7334 times:



Welcome to my 7th tripreport!

This report features the first two flights taken on my journey from Bolivia to Germany in December 2011: TACA Perú on LPB-LIM and TAM on LIM-GRU. Both flights were on A320s.


The complete itinerary:


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The flights covered in this report:

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So after almost three months in beautiful and exciting Bolivia my time there has come to an end. Life had some interesting turns ahead, so I am leaving Bolivia behind with mixed feelings.

My journey down to Bolivia in early October (see links to the TRs at the end of the report) has been a great one in an enthusiast point of view. Next to the rare A340-500 luck had it that I got to fly AeroSur’s most rare B727-200 and B727-200. With the trouble AeroSur is in, those planes will probably never break through the clouds again.

I booked the journey down to Bolivia on the same ticket as the flights I cover in this and the upcoming report already in May 2011, so a couple of months ahead. The objective, next to getting me down to Bolivia and back to Germany again, was, of course to sample as many carriers and different aircrafts possible. While the flights down fulfilled my objective to the fullest, the itinerary back was not quite so special. But thanks to the many interline agreements of TAM, the airline forming the backbone of my ticket, I was at least able to book myself on a new carrier which I will feature in this report: TACA Perú.


Goodbye, La Paz!

Two days before my departure from La Paz I definitely had the impression Bolivia did not want me to leave. As it happens so often to Europeans in South America, a couple of very little minute beings somehow made it into my intestines. Now, the problem is, that those folks were somehow seen as foreigners down there and, what adds to that, my belly does not hold much of multiculturalism. So out they had to go again, no matter the cost. I spare you graphic descriptions of my last days in Bolivia but I was quite pissed off I wasn’t able to have some final tasty Anticuchos before my departure. Luckily I recovered a little on the day before my flights after eating nothing but bananas and toasted bread for half a week. On the evening before my departure I bought myself a couple of imodium to stop my intestines from working and fixed up a taxi to take me to the airport the next morning.

Thankfully, I felt much better the next morning and took my first dose of Imodium which thankfully did the trick. Well, it did it for 4 whole days.. but that is another story. I left the house at 5:45am for my 8:55am departure, seeing that I did not want to risk anything with my flights. My driver showed up and we did our 20 minute run to the airport. The last view of the city in the morning dim was exceptionally spectacular, but I was too tired to bother with a photo. In the end, we arrived at the airport almost three hours before my flight, but better safe than sorry.


La Paz-El Alto International Airport

The first view of the departure area was pretty shocking for me. It was the first time for me at LPB in the morning hours when it is the airport’s major departure wave. It has the AA 757 leaving as well as many BoA and AeroSur flights with one-stop international connections at CBB or VVI, respectively. And of course, also my TACA Perú flight. So I got to see LPB crowded for the first time. And as the AA flight was delayed and as the TACA/Avianca and AA desks are located right next to each other, there was a lot of confusion.

I joined the TACA queue and pulled out my OLCI boarding pass (getting this was a seamless process on TACA’s very functional website). This immediately sparked the interest of a TACA employee handing out luggage tags to waiting passengers to write their name and address on. She immediately directed me to the business class check in counter (there was no dedicated line for OLCI pax) where she told me to wait for an agent. After five minutes of waiting an agent showed up and proceeded to check me in. Great for me as I was able to save myself of waiting about half an hour in the economy lane behind many inexperienced travellers with 2 suitacases each. Not so great however to see the business class counter unstaffed.

The friendly agent welcomed me, confirmed my seating preference and the existence of my M&M number in the system. She checked my luggage directly to MAD, the end of my ticket. I asked her to send it directly to MUC (I had a selfmade connection with LH from MAD to MUC) but her supervisor told her not to do that. Well in a case of misconnection TACA is screwed, so I kind of understand that. Not too much of a problem for me, either, so I saved my energy and did not try to argue with her.

After I got rid of my luggage I explored airside area one last time and settled down for my last bananas-and-toasted-bread-breakfast. Yuck.


Plane exists. Good.



Arrival FIDS.



Departure FIDS.



Overview of the check-in area.



AA and TACA check-in chaos.


As soon as most of the AA passengers cleared security and immigration I also cleared the checkpoints to avoid longer waiting times. LPB’s international concourse is very, very, very tiny. In fact, it only consists of one gate, its waiting area, an (uninspiring) Duty Free store and a small souvenir and café outlet. With two flights leaving with about 120 pax each (AA also picks up passengers at VVI before going to MIA) the area was packed to the brim with mostly backpackers and expats heading home for the holidays. Tarmac views are just as impossible as entertaining oneself with reading or some music when there are hordes of screaming little children around you. To make things worse, I was stopped from taking pictures by a security staff employee.


LPB’s only international gate. Both the TACA and the AA flight show as “boarding” which, in fact, they weren’t. The confused passengers provide at least some form of entertainment.


Boarding then finally started right after the AA flight had finally boarded. Despite all the confusion and slightly delayed boarding call the whole affair was still very civilized. Business and status passengers were allowed first on board and then rows were called up. The whole process was very strictly enforced. Way to go TACA! As a bonus we were boarding by stairs and not the jetbridge as the finger was still occupied by the 757. My attempt of taking a picture of the shiny pencil was immediately stopped by one of the many security guards on the tarmac offguarding the American plane. I have never seen this before in Bolivia, so AA seems to get a very special treatment here.


I was able to take a picture of our Airbus without a problem though.




20 December 2011
TACA Perú
Flight TA 038

LPB-LIM

08:52-09:40 (on time)
Airbus A320
N491TA




A friendly welcome when I enter the plane. How I had missed that! As this plane featured the old TACA livery I somehow was prepared to find an older interior here, but the cabin was very new and modern and had a fresh and airy feel. The A320 featured a 3-row business class section. Economy seats were those slimline Recaro seats known from a couple of other airlines, which I find quite comfortable.


My row of seats. A couple of stains on the floor, but other than that, the cabin was clean and left a good impression



Plenty of legroom.



Seat pocket contents.



No under-wing shots in this report, so I dedicate this to Markus instead.



Back of the safety card



Boarding still underway.



AA pushing back next to us.


The load in Economy turns out to be at around 80%. Before pushback, the captain welcomed us onboard and announced the flight time as 1 hour and 45 minutes with an expected on-time arrival into LIM. During pushback, a safety demo is played on the overhead screens. We take off and leave La Paz behind.


Must have a 727 in a report  . Although I admit this will be hard to keep up.



Lining up.



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El Alto lies below us.



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After takeoff, headsets are distributed. The entertainment system consists of sitcoms (Friends, The Middle) played on the overhead screens. Due to rough air, however, seatbelt signs remain on a little longer and it takes a while until service is started. More time to peek outside. Sadly, there are more and more clouds outside.


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In-flight service consisted of snack boxes which were quickly handed out by the crew. The snack tray consisted of a ham and butter sandwich, a fruit salad and a sweet pastry. A decent offer for a flight of that length. Also, a full beverage service was conducted. Despite the early morning hour, the crew also had whiskey, wine and vodka on their trolley. My request for two drinks (tea, OJ) was gladly fulfilled by the all-male crew. I did not interact much with the crew, but they left a good impression. Their English skills were also quite good which is not something that should be generally expected in South America.


Snack tray.



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The rest of the flight remained uneventful and it was mainly overcast, so views of Peru were limited.


Reaching the Pacific.



Descending into foggy LIM.



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Peruvian Planes.



The big dog @ LIM.



TACA hub operation in full swing.



An example with the newer livery is also present.




The 763 got so much sexier with its huge winglets.


As we stop before we turn into your gate half of the passengers jump up and start fetching their things from the overhead bins. So after the orderly boarding process the passengers at least fulfilled some of the prejudices I hold about air travel in Latin America  .


Cabin shot.



TACA Business class seats.


I knew that I had to re-clear security at Lima. But with all the TACA and LAN passengers having international connections at this morning hour this process turned out to be quite unnerving. There were much more people waiting for to pass the checkpoint than would fit into the waiting area. So the queue extended quite far into the transit corridor. Of course many pax in transit (like me) just passed right by the end of the queue as it was unclear for what all those people were waiting for. It could also have been the line for immigration. Only when I turned around the corner twice I saw that this was actually the queue for pax in connection. I really hate to jump queues but due to the continuous stream of passengers behind me it would have been impossible to flight my way back. So I saved myself maybe 20 minutes waiting time. In the end I needed to wait over half an hour until I was able to pass the checkpoint. If I had joined the queue at the end, I would have lost 50 minutes of my connection time. For the airlines operating a hub at LIM this situation must be unacceptable.


Tiny connection corridor. The queue for security started about 20m down.


Thankfully, I was in no big rush, so I made my way to the VIP Club Lounge, one of the two independent lounges at Lima. The lounge was very spacious but almost totally deserted. There was a staffed bar with a very friendly waiter, a large section with PCs for business work and iMacs for games. The self-service bar had a large selection of sandwiches, cut fruits, freshly squeezed juices, cakes and cereals available. Internet was a bit slow but it was nevertheless a nice place to hang out. Internet was a bit slow and it took me over 15 minutes to check in for my Lufthansa flight on the next day. Also, I was stopped of taking pictures.


Airside at LIM.



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Inside the lounge.



Some Cava to celebrate the day. Notice the Holland Herald -- KLM apparently uses this lounge.



A small outside area – either for those who crave oxygen or a quick fix of nicotine.


Disregarding the security re-clearance experience, LIM seemed to be a very modern and clean airport.

45 minutes before STD of my TAM flight I went to the gate to check whether my luggage made it and also to enquire to ask about the load on the GRU-MAD sector. I was met with a smile from both of the agents at the counter and they immediately handed me my boarding passes for the next two legs on TAM. They confirmed that the GRU-MAD flight would be full, so I asked them to change my seat assignment. I had pre-reserved a window seat in a row with a vacant seat next to it. I asked them to give me an aisle seat instead, which I find much more comfortable on longer flights. They quickly fulfilled my request. Very good first impression here. Boarding for my second flight was called only a couple of minutes later. Boarding by groups was also strictly enforced here.


Our A320. Those double glasses are not that good for spotting.



On the way to our plane. I wonder how long we’ll see the Star Alliance logo on this bird…





20 December 2011
TAM Linhas Aéreas
Flight JJ 8067

LIM-GRU

11:55-19:30 (20 minute ATC delay)
Airbus A320
PR-MAR




Again, a friendly welcome here by one of the flight attendants. Again, “real” business class here onboard. Pillows and blankets were placed on the seats in Economy. I settled down in the second last row (impossible to pre-select a seat in the last row) and watched the boarding process.


Business class seats.



My row of seats.



Our neighbor.



Very tight legroom. I am sitting as upright as I can here.


I was joined by two seatmates in my row which were about as tall as me. I knew that this was never going to work. As the last row stayed empty I moved there after asking a flight attendant. After I started getting comfortable I was approached by the same flight attendant again asking me if I could move over to the aisle seat in the neighboring row as there was a man travelling with his toddler in a row of three pax. Of course I complied with this request. So I had to give up the window but at least I had an aisle seat and a free seat next to me. The man with his toddler profoundly thanked me and as I later watched the toddler spotting planes as we taxi out to the runway I know I had done the right thing  .

After boarding, the flight attendants started with their pre-departure service and distributed candies. I also asked for a glass of water which was promptly delivered to me.


Pre-departure service.


Next to the tight legroom TAM cram quite a few magazines in their seat pockets:


TAM fleet from its on-board magazine.



IFE guide.



Cover of its in-flight magazine.


The captain announced an ATC delay of about 40 minutes but gladly (for my connection at GRU) it did not take quite so long. The crew distributed headphones right after takeoff and some animated movie is played on the overhead screens. As with TACA, no airshow was featured on-board. To entertain myself, I started to kick some pig’s ass.


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As on the TACA flight, the seatbelt sign stayed on for quite a while so it took some time for service to start and a little longer until the cart reached the last row. Before the carts were rolled out, hot towels were distributed. Meanwhile the captain came on the speakers and gave us some route details. He also announced that we are currently cruising over Lago Titicaca which is visible to the right. As I had of course visited this impressive place I wanted to take a look of it myself. Luckily the lake was visible from the small window in the galley.

Isla Del Sol.



Funky window.


It took a couple more minutes until I got my food. Pasta or beef were the choices. I opted for the vegetarian option: Cheese ravioli with mushrooms, salad and a cake. A tasty, but not overwhelming meal. All was washed down with a cold beer (Heineken…). After that, the cabin got quiet and most of the passengers either dozed or watched the movie.


Presentation...



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Cabin overview.


I could neither sleep nor did I find the movie interesting nor was my seat comfortable. So I decided to move to the galley to stretch out. The flight attendant who asked me to move seats (and also noticed me taking pictures) was also present there and we quickly started a very long and nice conversation about many topics from developmental sociology, the Munich Hofbräuhaus to (of course) air travel, airlines and the LATAM-merger. Time really flew by on this flight. As we started talking about beers he offered me a can of a Brazilian dark beer they also cater on board (First time having dark beer on an aircraft!) and another lager. He also offered me a leftover meal, which I declined. Great guy, great service, thumbs up, TAM! This all made me quickly forget the uncomfortable seat and the missing window.

During the last 90 minutes of the flight, the crew distributed cups with water from a tray.


Duty free sale.



Oh the horror! Oh the blasphemy! (Didn’t taste too bad though)



BTW: here are my boarding passes



And the legroom shot of the new seat (I’m 6’ 2’’).



Safety card.



I hear many of you are interested in TAM’s F/As  .


We then descended into the Mega-polis that is Sao Paulo and arrived on stand with a 20-minute delay, thus cutting significantly down my connection time at GRU.


I managed to peek over the shoulder of my seat neighbor during approach.



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Far from home...



Beautiful evening scenery after a rain shower.



Concluding remarks

TACA Perú offered a decent product on this sector of less than two hours. Breakfast service was very adequate, the cabin was well maintained (disregarding a couple of stains at the floor) and seats were comfortable. Interaction with airport staff and crew was minimal, but they all left a professional and positive impression.

On the longer transcontinental flight with TAM the cabin failed to impress. Seat pitch was tight and to make things worse TAM stuffs many (uninteresting) magazines in their seat pockets. What did impress, though, were the staff and the service concept. The hot towel service and the pre-departure candy was a very nice touch. The friendly and interactive crew offering seconds on food and drinks and being genuinely interested in the customer left a great impression. Thumbs down on the hard product, thumbs up on TAM’s people.


The journey home with TAM (GRU-MAD) on an A330-200 and the Euro-hop on LH (MAD-MUC) will be featured in an upcoming report.



Thank you for reading!

Feedback is greatly appreciated.




Earlier Tripreports

Bolivian Top Gun? Transporte Aéreo Militar (B462) (by volvair Mar 18 2012 in Trip Reports)

Andes, Jungles, Metroliners: Prop-Hops In Bolivia (by volvair Dec 10 2011 in Trip Reports)

Democracy Aloft? Boliviana De Aviación 733/CBB-LPB (by volvair Nov 19 2011 in Trip Reports)

Of Buckets & 3-Holed Workhorses:5L 732, 722 To LPB (by volvair Nov 8 2011 in Trip Reports)

The Withering Ultra-Longhauler: TAM A345/MXP-GRU (by volvair Oct 22 2011 in Trip Reports)

A Failed Escape From The Drunkards: EN/Y/MUC-MXP (by volvair Oct 13 2011 in Trip Reports)

[Edited 2012-04-06 10:11:07]

[Edited 2012-04-06 10:14:33]

28 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineCheco77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7255 times:

Hallo Oliver! Wie geht es dir? (sorry, my German is really bad!)

wow! Great report!!! All is very familiar to me, I have flown TACA and also TAM from GRU. As in your case, I am in LIM via JJ  
I will be flying via GRU to Europe in June, however, I am taking the 77W to FRA.
TACA service is pretty nice, I really like them. However, looks like they have not changed their breakfast selection at all   Last time I took TACA to SJO via UIO, they offered the same breakfast as was offered to you, even in the same design box! And unlike you, I really don´t like the Recaro seats  
TAM´s service is very good, I really enjoyed them, same as you. I will be taking them in June, so I will report too, if their service changed from what you experienced!

Happy Easter from Lima!

Adam



Czech Boeing lover living in Lima
User currently offlinevolvair From Germany, joined Oct 2011, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7208 times:

Quoting Checo77 (Reply 1):
Hallo Oliver! Wie geht es dir? (sorry, my German is really bad!)

Ahoj Adam and děkuji for commenting  
Quoting Checo77 (Reply 1):

I will be flying via GRU to Europe in June, however, I am taking the 77W to FRA.

Ouch! 10-abreast!

Quoting Checo77 (Reply 1):
Last time I took TACA to SJO via UIO, they offered the same breakfast as was offered to you, even in the same design box! And unlike you, I really don´t like the Recaro seats

Better to keep the snack box than get rid of it. I like the Recaro seats because of the legroom they offer, one of the better "new-style" seats you find in Europe.

Quoting Checo77 (Reply 1):
TAM´s service is very good, I really enjoyed them, same as you. I will be taking them in June, so I will report too

Yes, they really seem to go the extra mile for their passengers. Looking forward to your experience as you'll take exactly the same flight as me. (Or is there more than one daily flight with TAM on the route?)

Quoting Checo77 (Reply 1):
Happy Easter from Lima!

Happy holidays to you, too!


User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 5163 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7166 times:

Hi, O.,

well done. I like you´re huge number of pictures from South America.
A continent still missing in my log.
TACA Peru looks like better than expected, TAM not that really.

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
No under-wing shots in this report, so I dedicate this to Markus instead.

Well, sure ok to stay away from the under the wing shots with such an excuse!.

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
I hear many of you are interested in TAM’s F/As  

Sure, but not only TAM´s!.

Looking for the onward journey.

Greetings,
Markus(FLIEGER67)



Next: The eastern Intersky!.
User currently offlineCheco77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7148 times:

Quoting volvair (Reply 2):
Ouch! 10-abreast!

Yes! On my way here it was horrible, I never felt so cramped in my life. The legroom was very limited and the flight was 12 hours!! But the service was good and the PTV was working (which I am given to understand is not always the case in TAM).

Quoting volvair (Reply 2):
I like the Recaro seats because of the legroom they offer, one of the better "new-style" seats you find in Europe.

I find them very hard to sit confortably in... Not sure. The LH seats are nice than those in TA. I really did not enjoy the TA seat the last time I took them. I hate the seatpocket being up in the seat with no space to put things in it  
Quoting volvair (Reply 2):
Yes, they really seem to go the extra mile for their passengers. Looking forward to your experience as you'll take exactly the same flight as me. (Or is there more than one daily flight with TAM on the route?)

I think TAM flies twice day and LA twice too. Not sure though. I am taking a flight that leaves LIM at 12md, so its the same flight you took!



Czech Boeing lover living in Lima
User currently offlinevolvair From Germany, joined Oct 2011, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7055 times:

Hi Markus, thanks for your comments!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 3):

Well, sure ok to stay away from the under the wing shots with such an excuse!.

Ha, I thought you would approve  
Quoting Checo77 (Reply 4):
The LH seats are nice than those in TA.

If you mean the old ones then yes. If you are talking about the new "NEK" seats on flights longer than one hour I disagree  .


User currently offlineSuperCaravelle From Netherlands, joined Jan 2012, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7046 times:

Thanks for the trip report and the many pictures of the airlines and the destinations. I've also read your Metroliner and other TAM   and AeroSur reports and was very entertained by them as well   Shame about AeroSur indeed, from your report and from all the things I read about them one could see they really cared about their business and were proud of their planes. Sadly this is not always how things roll in this world.

Anyway, TACA Peru and TAM Brasil. Both look to be very decent carriers, although the hard product is nothing special. It shows again how the human touch is way more important, I bet in a few weeks you'll think about TAM only because of the good talk you had with the F/A and not because of the poor legroom. At least, that's how it works for me.

Nice to see a piece of the Netherlands in Lima too   And also interesting to see that in your reports, the "big" planes are all either LAN, TAM or Avianca/TACA planes. Not much competition for them in future.

Thanks again for the report and for the documentation of your South America journey!


User currently offlinelychemsa From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1195 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7027 times:

Good to know that Uyumni Airport is now opened.

User currently offlinevolvair From Germany, joined Oct 2011, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6734 times:

Hi SuperCaravelle, thanks for commenting,

Quoting SuperCaravelle (Reply 6):
Shame about AeroSur indeed, from your report and from all the things I read about them one could see they really cared about their business and were proud of their planes. Sadly this is not always how things roll in this world.

Apparently AeroSur seems to be back in operation as of yesterday, which is very good news.

Quoting SuperCaravelle (Reply 6):
, I bet in a few weeks you'll think about TAM only because of the good talk you had with the F/A and not because of the poor legroom

Exactly, that's how it is.

Quoting SuperCaravelle (Reply 6):
Not much competition for them in future.

And only a limited chance for lower fares in South America.

Quoting SuperCaravelle (Reply 6):

Thanks again for the report and for the documentation of your South America journey!

You are very welcome.


User currently offlineSultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1702 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6666 times:
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Hello volvo-air!

Good piece! All good times must come to an end, so does your Bolivian adventure. And what an adventure is was (flying wise I speak): flying some great oldies planes and sampling exotic airlines. I'm glad you shared these stories with us, they were all top reading material.
Now as for TACA Peru and TAM: I totally agree on your conclusion. And as an extra bonus that good looking F/A on the TAM bus  

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
Both flights were on A320s.

Quite a difference with the excitement factor as compared to some of your previous flights.

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
The confused passengers provide at least some form of entertainment.

Seeing it like that, I bet I'd be confused as well. It doesn't like an appropriate area to board 2 flights at a time.

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
Must have a 727 in a report

Hmm, I wonder who owns this phrase  

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
As we stop before we turn into your gate half of the passengers jump up and start fetching their things from the overhead bins.

Did the crew not intervene, that's a serious security breach?

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
For the airlines operating a hub at LIM this situation must be unacceptable.

Agreed.

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
Very tight legroom. I am sitting as upright as I can here.

Tight indeed, sure you were on a TAM plane and not a Vueling one? I like the design on the upholstery of the seat pocket though.

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
He also announced that we are currently cruising over Lago Titicaca which is visible to the right.

Ha memories, been there as well. Lovely place, but kinda cold and got sunburnt of course  

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
I hear many of you are interested in TAM’s F/As

Many is maybe a generalization, some of us  

Sultanils



In thrust we trust.
User currently offlinejetsetter629 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6584 times:

Quoting lychemsa (Reply 7):
Good to know that Uyumni Airport is now opened.

I would love to take that flight! There are probably great views of Salar de Uyuni when you land. Volvair - did you ever make it there?


User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4268 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6453 times:

Hi volvair,

good to read your continuation; both TACA and TAM look very reasonable carriers to fly on, OK service too.
Though, the transfer hassle is something which definitely needs approvement here.

Regards
Eric



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineaeroperu89 From Peru, joined Mar 2012, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6366 times:

Hello volvair!
Thanks for sharing both flights and for the great report!

I had no idea what passengers have to go through in LIM when they have connecting flights. The airport management is constantly making improvements here in Lima, so hopefully it will be smoother in the future  

TACA always gives a consistent good service and it's nice to see that TAM has a great service too, but the seat pitch looks terrible.

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
As we stop before we turn into your gate half of the passengers jump up and start fetching their things from the overhead bins. So after the orderly boarding process the passengers at least fulfilled some of the prejudices I hold about air travel in Latin America  .

This statement made me smile because it's so common here in Perú and South America! People go crazy when the plane lands and it's funny because sometimes they stand in the aisle for a long time (with their luggage) until the door is open.

Viele Grüße und (noch einmal) vielen Dank für den Bericht  

Diego


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6347 times:

great report! again a report bringin many memorys to me!

Had several time the chance to use TACA out of Bolivia to Lima!

I prefered much more TACA (beside the awfull schedule) than LA!

A nice backtrack on your trip to SAO! but hey thats quite common if you are flying ex Bolivia, had to make several times LBP-VVI-LIM on LA but hey I loved it! only negative that they are only reconizing miles for LBP-LIM direct...

Vielen Dank und Grüsse
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlinevolvair From Germany, joined Oct 2011, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6290 times:

Hey guys, thanks a lot for all your comments! Keep 'em coming!

Quoting jetsetter629 (Reply 10):
Volvair - did you ever make it there?

Unfortunately not. Uyuni flights have been there for a while though, but regular scheduled flights with cheaper TAM (BAe) are a big step up for Uyuni.

Quoting aeroperu89 (Reply 12):
The airport management is constantly making improvements here in Lima, so hopefully it will be smoother in the future

Best thing would be to get rid of the security reclearance on international conections altogether.

Quoting aeroperu89 (Reply 12):

Viele Grüße und (noch einmal) vielen Dank für den Bericht

¡De nada!

Quoting Avianca (Reply 13):

I prefered much more TACA (beside the awfull schedule) than LA!

Avianca's schedule is much more awful  


User currently offlinevolvair From Germany, joined Oct 2011, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6230 times:

Hi Nils, somehow forgot to reply to your comment..

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 9):
volvo-air!

Haha , but no.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 9):

Quite a difference with the excitement factor as compared to some of your previous flights.

Come on, I can't fly old planes with little known airlines everyday!

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 9):

Did the crew not intervene, that's a serious security breach?

Short, but futile announcement.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 9):
TAM plane and not a Vueling one

Indeed, there was not much difference between the two. TAM definitely needs to improve there... other than the seat pitch I had very few things to criticize with TAM.


User currently offlineFlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1706 posts, RR: 31
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6180 times:

Hi volv(o),

Good to read another episode on your soon-to-end South African series. TACA looked like an average carrier with a somewhat nicer and newer airplanes than is the norm around the region (which is of course both good and bad).

TAM looked a notch better servicewise, but the legroom...

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
I felt much better the next morning and took my first dose of Imodium which thankfully did the trick. Well, it did it for 4 whole days.. but that is another story.

Damn you for planting that idea on my mind! Hope you ate a lot of fibers during your return journey and the plumbing in your parent's house was up to it! Oh and no cavity search on the way back - that could be lethal...

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
After I got rid of my luggage I explored airside area one last time and settled down for my last bananas-and-toasted-bread-breakfast. Yuck.

Hmm, sounds like an acquired taste, that one. Or something for the toddlers.

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
My row of seats. A couple of stains on the floor, but other than that, the cabin was clean and left a good impression
Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
Must have a 727 in a report  . Although I admit this will be hard to keep up.

Well I think you can add +10 to that type designation?   Although even that will be quite hard for you considering where you are based at..  
Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
. The entertainment system consists of sitcoms (Friends, The Middle) played on the overhead screens.

What - no good South American telenovelas? Americanos pushing their imperialist culture everywhere? Tsk tsk.

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
Despite the early morning hour, the crew also had whiskey, wine and vodka on their trolley.

Well it's always five o'clock somewhere. You should take one of the two 6.30 LH flights (yes, FRA & MUC) ex-HEL one morning and count the number of Finns ordering beer & wine  .

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
The 763 got so much sexier with its huge winglets.

+1.

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
For the airlines operating a hub at LIM this situation must be unacceptable.

That sounds very bad. I've never really understood the point of secondary security screenings (well maybe for pax coming from certain countries where I'm sure you can just shell out some cash and bypass security completely) - but if you are going to do it at least have proper facilities with enough capacity to do it in a timely fashion! This is completely unacceptable.

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
There was a staffed bar with a very friendly waiter, a large section with PCs for business work and iMacs for games.

Are you perhaps implying you cannot work on a Mac? Considering that is what I do at work all day long that is a bit of a bold statement  
Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
Some Cava to celebrate the day these nice free perks at the lounges. Gotta love DC  .

Ahh, good that you are feeling already so much better to not miss

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
Disregarding the security re-clearance experience, LIM seemed to be a very modern and clean airport.

Yeah, it looks very nice from your pictures. I guess that terminal isn't too many years old?

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
Very tight legroom. I am sitting as upright as I can here.

Ouch!

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
I know I had done the right thing  .

There you go, makes you all warm and fuzzy inside, doesn't it?

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
To entertain myself, I started to kick some pig’s ass.

Thank you for supporting the Finnish videogame (or actually merchandising) industry. Very much appreciated.

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
I opted for the vegetarian option: Cheese ravioli with mushrooms, salad and a cake. A tasty, but not overwhelming meal.

Hmm, that doesn't look particularly good - just a standard airplane meal.

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
This all made me quickly forget the uncomfortable seat and the missing window.

Very nice.

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
Oh the horror! Oh the blasphemy! (Didn’t taste too bad though)

Hey, there's also a Dutch beer called Bavaria. Ryanair sometimes sells it onboard, most of the time it is lukewarm, though.

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
Beautiful evening scenery after a rain shower.

A terrific photo!

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
The friendly and interactive crew offering seconds on food and drinks and being genuinely interested in the customer left a great impression. Thumbs down on the hard product, thumbs up on TAM’s people.

Yes, this is what I've always said - you can have the best hard product out there but if your crew is crap the passenger experience is not much. And even Ryanair can feel great if you get a good crew, although on the case of Ryanair that doesn't happen very often!


User currently offlinevolvair From Germany, joined Oct 2011, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6146 times:

Hi P., thanks for your extensive comment!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 16):
volv(o)

Err, no (1).

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 16):
South African

Err, no (2).  
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 16):
Hope you ate a lot of fibers during your return journey and the plumbing in your parent's house was up to it! Oh and no cavity search on the way back - that could be lethal...

Haha, you dirty old man.  I returned to Bavaria having eaten nothing but bananas and airplane food for some days, what do you think I ate? But I recoverd well  
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 16):
Well I think you can add +10 to that type designation? Although even that will be quite hard for you considering where you are based at..

Oh you are so right. I just noticed that the AB 73G I'll be on next week will be my first 737NG in a year!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 16):
What - no good South American telenovelas?

Good? Are you kidding me?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 16):
Well it's always five o'clock somewhere.

How wise words! In Germany we us "four" in this saying instead of "five"  
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 16):
That sounds very bad. I've never really understood the point of secondary security screenings (well maybe for pax coming from certain countries where I'm sure you can just shell out some cash and bypass security completely) - but if you are going to do it at least have proper facilities with enough capacity to do it in a timely fashion! This is completely unacceptable.

Cosidering that I came from a less developed country and went through a thorough security check before departure -- definitely no need for that transfer check here.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 16):

Are you perhaps implying you cannot work on a Mac? Considering that is what I do at work all day long that is a bit of a bold statement

Haha, no those macs were placed on low tables and only had some game controllers as input devices. On second thought, it also could have only been Apple monitors linked to a Xbox or whatever those kids fancy today.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 16):
I guess that terminal isn't too many years old?

Re-opened 2009.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 16):

Hey, there's also a Dutch beer called Bavaria.

I know this beer very well from one sleeper train ride from Amsterdam to Munich a couple of years back   There have actually been (unsuccessful) lawsuits against this Brewery by the Bavarian brewer association. The designation "Bavarian Beer" is protected by EU trade laws..


User currently offlineMSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2474 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6001 times:

Hi volvair

nice report once again, thanks for taking the time to talk about it. Both carriers seem to have a very cramped cabin. Would not like to fly with them on longer routes.
However service did not look that bad at all on TAM  

Looking forward to the return.

Greetings
Marc



Next trip report: Well worn A330s and Hassle free MUC transfer
User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6557 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5881 times:

Hi Volvair!

Thanks for another interesting report in your South America series ! Great pictures as always and especially appreciate the picture of the TAM Flight attendant  They are in a class of their own in my opinion!

Taca Peru looks okay but the transfer experience in LIM seems horrible!

TAM looks nice as I have experienced myself but also very cramped which I also can attest to personally. I'm glad my flight on JJ's 77W was not a long haul to Europe. I'm 5'11 or 180cm so slightly shorter than you and still felt cramped.

I'm unable to copy the link but you can do a site wide search on TAM 77W SCL-LIM and it should come up if you are interested.

Very much looking forward to your next report!

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlinevolvair From Germany, joined Oct 2011, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5844 times:

Hi Marc, many thanks for your feedback,

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 18):

nice report once again, thanks for taking the time to talk about it.

good to hear you enjoyed it.


Hi Lars, thank you for your comments!

Quoting The777Man (Reply 19):
especially appreciate the picture of the TAM Flight attendant

haha, you are very welcome  
Quoting The777Man (Reply 19):
I'm glad my flight on JJ's 77W was not a long haul to Europe. I'm 5'11 or 180cm so slightly shorter than you and still felt cramped.

Never been on their 77Ws, but legroom on their A345 and A332 (report to follow) were okay.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 19):

I'm unable to copy the link but you can do a site wide search on TAM 77W SCL-LIM and it should come up if you are interested.

Thanks, of course I already read and re-read your report  


User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 926 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5769 times:

Hey Oliver. Great TR as usual. That TAM B727-200 just looked beautiful! I really miss those workhorses! The plane spotting in that part of the world is amazing. The truck/airstairs that had the LAB insignia looks like it was from the 1950's!   I have always found JJ to be an excellent carrier having flown them both domestically in Brasil and well as Intercontinental to the USA. I still find it difficult as to why people get so upset over us taking photos. Thanks for sharing. See you in a few weeks in BER. Cheers, Will


Landing on every Continent almost on an annual basis!
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6758 posts, RR: 77
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5607 times:

Servus volvair,

another great report with many stunning pictures, well done! Very interesting comparison between TACA and TAM.

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
With the trouble AeroSur is in, those planes will probably never break through the clouds again.

That's sad indeed - I will miss that livery.

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
My attempt of taking a picture of the shiny pencil was immediately stopped by one of the many security guards on the tarmac offguarding the American plane. I have never seen this before in Bolivia, so AA seems to get a very special treatment here.

Cameras = dangerous weapons.  
Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
Must have a 727 in a report . Although I admit this will be hard to keep up.

No doubt about that.

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
The 763 got so much sexier with its huge winglets.

I can only agree. The 767 design is probably the most boring one in the industry.

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
Very tight legroom. I am sitting as upright as I can here.

That looks bad.

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
Pre-departure service.

Passion fruit mousse? Great!

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
The man with his toddler profoundly thanked me and as I later watched the toddler spotting planes as we taxi out to the runway I know I had done the right thing

Absolutely.   

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
To entertain myself, I started to kick some pig’s ass.

Good choice!

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
It took a couple more minutes until I got my food. Pasta or beef were the choices. I opted for the vegetarian option: Cheese ravioli with mushrooms, salad and a cake. A tasty, but not overwhelming meal. All was washed down with a cold beer (Heineken…).

The meal looks good - but why do they have Heineken everywhere?

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
As we started talking about beers he offered me a can of a Brazilian dark beer they also cater on board (First time having dark beer on an aircraft!) and another lager. He also offered me a leftover meal, which I declined. Great guy, great service, thumbs up, TAM!

Very impressive. How did it taste?

Quoting volvair (Thread starter):
I hear many of you are interested in TAM’s F/As

Well, do you have another one?  


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlinevolvair From Germany, joined Oct 2011, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5531 times:

Hi Will, thanks for your comments. Glad you liked this piece as well.

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 21):
See you in a few weeks in BER

Already looking forward to it!


Servus PH, many thanks for your feedback,

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 22):
How did it taste?

I liked it very much. Not too "heavy" considering it is a dark beer, but still malty. Found it similar to Schwarzbier from the Harz.


User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5394 times:

Hi Oliver!

Again a nice report!
TAM looks rather nice, good to hear that you liked their crews. Good to offer a meal on that long shorthaul flight! That legroom doesn't look good though.
Looking forward to your next report!

Martin


25 PlaneHunter : Alright, sounds interesting. I'd always prefer that over the standard beers offered by many carriers. PH
26 Post contains images signol : Hi Volvair nice almost-final report in your South African, err American flights I only ever arrived at LPB, but I do remember it being very small. I w
27 Post contains images volvair : Hi Martin, thanks for commenting! Yes, they really made a difference. So... Medium-haul?
28 Avianca : could be but they are not flying the LIM route of out Bolivia....
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