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March 2012, ORD-CDG, Delta, 763  
User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2293 posts, RR: 7
Posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 15033 times:

March 16th, DL592, ORD-CDG, B767-300, N185DN

Hi everyone, this is a rather short report, since I had abandoned the idea of doing a TR about halfway through the flight... Nevertheless, here's what I could salvage from my camera and my memories.

Background:

After my grandma visited the States for a couple of months, staying with my parents, the time came for her return journey to Romania. Speaking basically no English, it was obvious that she shouldn't travel alone, so I of course joined her. Hey, more flights, and I didn't even have to pay for them (my parents did)... No brainer, right? As such, I didn't choose the most interesting routing, but the quickest. We would connect to the morning AF flight to OTP in CDG, but more on that later.

I had just taken my last final, went back to my place, packed my backpack with some stuff I might need and waited for my parents to call and pick me up for the drive to the airport. The call came sooner than I'd've hoped and soon we were on our way to O'Hare. We arrived very early, around 4 hours ahead of scheduled departures. Of course, there was no one at the DL check-in counters and thus we had to wait in the departure hall for a little while.

Here are some photos from inside T5:
Swiss check-in counters, curently being used by Hong Kong-bound passengers to see whether their bags are below the limit or whether they have to shift stuff around:


Swiss and DL/AF/KL check-in counters:


Grandma getting ready:


Sooner or later (actually, later) it was time to check-in for our flights. I'd done online check-in but we had bags to drop-off and I wanted to check whether I could change AF's stupid preassigned seat on the CDG-OTP segment. After waiting a while, although there was basically no-one in line, we were waved over to the counter. Check-in appeared to went smoothly, and I had an interesting conversation with the Bulgarian baggage handler by the Delta desks, which went something like “Gica Hagi, Gica Popescu, Ceausescu” “Stoichkov”. Anyway, bags were tagged, properly, and were told “have a nice flight”. Well, thanks, but my boarding passes? I hadn't printed them out, hoping for a seat change on CDG-OTP. Anyway, no such luck... Somehow I find it interesting that US check-in agents usually can't do anything on intra-European segments (sometimes not even a boarding pass, Alitalia, Alitalia) whereas I never have any problem checking-in in OTP, for instance.

Ah, yes, also, I'd ordered a wheelchair for my grandma (although she generally opposes this), but while someone ahead of us received wheelchair treatment from check-in to the gate, no one said anything. OK, my grandma can walk, well for her age, but of course very slowly (not good for long distances). The lounge was, I found out, after involving several check-in agents (ours did not seem to know where it was), by M7, which meant a quite short journey, so we proceeded there. Once I got there and checked-in to the lounge, I asked for a wheelchair to take us to M1 before boarding, which was, when time came, handled with no problems.

Before the lounge, I took a few pics (emphasis on few, so to not let my grandma wait for me too much)

Air India 773:


ORD T3:


Once in the lounge, I got some snacks and a drink, and some water for my grandma. There were enough snacks, and even some small sandwiches at some point, but not very appetizing (although, looking back, I should've grabbed a few, given what we were served on-board).

My passports and boarding passes:


Grandma in the lounge:


What is it with passports and eagles?  



Anyway, I continued to surf the net, while grandma read (well, you know, as much as she could) some French and English language magazines. After a couple of hours or so, we left the lounge, after waiting for the wheelchair to arrive. We were taken to M1 and arrived just as boarding started—there seemed to be some problem with the computers at boarding and it seemed boarding was done manually, tearing off part of our boarding passes—yes, quite old school.

We were among the first to board the 763 and found our seats. It looked better than my last voyage on a DL 767-300ER, taking 11 hours from CDG to ATL—probably my least favorite flight ever.







Economy comfort zone:






Economy comfort was pretty comfortable for Economy. My grandma liked the 2-3-2 arrangement in the 767, much better than 3-4-3 on the 747, but she was not a fan of the turbulence we went through—to be honest I'm not sure how strong the turbulent movements were as I slept through the bout of turbulence. I like turbulence—it makes me sleep so peacefully 

An unfocused RJ A340! I like airplanes wearing dark clothes:


763 safety card:


Legroom:


As you can see, I had time to take many pictures, and even some good ones, relatively speaking. Yes, well, let's just say that we pushed back 8 minutes late, and took off about 45-60 minutes later. Let's also say that the winds didn't help us too much, and we arrived in Paris late, which made for a very tight connection... But about that, a bit later.

After pushback:


Some Cessnas at ORD, Air Choice One:


Here's a report on these Cessnas, by Widebodyroga:
Aller-Retour To Decatur, With 3E. Wait, Who? (by Widebodyroga Feb 8 2012 in Trip Reports)

Just some Americans:


Waiting in line after a loooong taxi:


After take-off... I chose the wrong side; there was a huuuuuge cloud formation on our right side.




Anyway, the cloud formation was very impressive, but there were no immediate consequences—we passed to the north of the cell and avoided the turbulence that might have developed if passing straight through the cumulonimbus cloud (yeah, it's the famous one).

Sunset:


Afterwards, I started to do a bit of light reading—I'm sure DL put on some shows on the IFE system (not PTVs obviously) but I don't recall what they were—I wanted to see more of the flight path, ETA, since we had a short connection of only 1h 50 minutes. Hey, no haters, please; in CDG that is a short connection!

Drink (apple juice) and a bit of light reading for next quarter:


Soon, or not so soon, the main course was served to us. It looked like any other main course on a DL transatlantic flight, but it was possibly the worst meal I've had on a TATL flight. Tasteless salad to start—no cheese, no nothing, just lettuce, a slice of cucumber and a slice of tomato. Enough to feed a mouse. But that's not the worst part, no, not even close. Both my grandma and I chose the chicken, a dish I lovingly call a “health hazard”. The sauce was tasteless, but that was more than overcome by the intense flavor of the rice—by flavor I mean strictly saltiness; but it's still a flavor, right? It was as I imagine taking a drink out of the Dead Sea would be, if you add more salt until the liquid gets supersaturated with salt.

You might think I hate salty food in general. Actually, I love it. But on an airplane, with the size of the drinks offered being what it is... well, I don't think salty or spicy is the way to go. Salty is even worse—there are some adverse effects health-wise (blood pressure, apparently), especially for someone who doesn't have a tolerance to salt, like my grandma (she doesn't eat any salt if she can help it)... Anyway... coupled with a breakfast that can compete with McDonald's (I assume McD's would win in the taste competition) this food gets an official rating of 1 in my book. I don't expect much from airline food, but at least I expect it to be edible. My bad.

The wonderful food:




Nice Japanese language magazine. Confused my grandma for a bit (not the language, but the fact that it was “in reverse”   

Afterwards, I managed to get some shut-eye for a few hours and got a bit of rest to prepare me for the hell that awaited, CDG. After breakfast, not too long after, DL592 landed in CDG out of the east, IIRC, on the runway furthest from 2E, where we would end up. In fact, we ended up in the section that had a slight accident and collapsed on a few people years earlier.

Breakfast:


After docking at the gate, the headed off the aircraft and were met by a young lad with a wheelchair. He knew English but preferred French for obvious reasons. He took us downstairs to wait for the shuttle to take us to 2F. Of course this was different than the bus between terminals, for which 100 people were waiting... Good luck, guys, didn't anyone tell you 2 hours in CDG is probably enough to miss your flight?

We didn't wait long, and, along with a lady who came from MEX and was heading to Africa if I'm not mistaken, we headed to 2F2. There were a number of passengers waiting for wheelchairs waiting there but we were among the first to receive one. Off we went to security, which, as CDG security tends to be, was a piece of shit (excuse me, I know that such words can diminish the quality of a TR but I want to get my point across). Courtesy doesn't really exist and security treats everyone like morons. Well, I find that people generally treat people like they'd treat themselves—perhaps CDG should get some smarter security people in that case, huh?

Anyway, the wheelchair pax have priority, so at least the ordeal didn't take long. Soon we were at F47. We got there at boarding time but waited for about 10 minutes for our A320, F-GKXT, to be ready. We boarded and a nice male F/A took our to our seats—very courteous throughout the flight—well done by him, I must say. Everyone boarded and I was reminded why I don't like aisle seats at all (unless they also come with a window, so I can lean towards that side). We were served a choice of tuna and salad sandwiches (IIRC, I know it sounds a bit weird). We arrived on time in OTP and the journey was over.

I won't rate the AF flight, since I don't have records of much, but here goes, DL592:

Reservation: 8
I had no problems in reserving or viewing the booking on the DL website. It could be better but I can't complain.
Check-in: 3
I can't say there were many problems, but it didn't work as smoothly as I'd expect—the agent looked clueless and she forgot to give us the boarding passes (note, she did not ask if we printed them at home, either). Had to ask where the lounge was. No chance of changing seats on AF's flight—sucks DL suffers from AF's poor IT.
Boarding: 5
Seemed rather disorganized and computers didn't work (from what the agents were saying). I'm sure that meant a slightly longer queue-waiting experience for everyone, so I'd say it was definitely below average.
Seat: 7
E+ is above average—I didn't feel uncomfortable during this flight.
Ambience: 7
No problems here, the 767 has a cosy atmosphere.
IFE/Announcements: 5
Enough magazines to last a lifetime (4, I believe), but I don't understand Japanese, so just 3... No PTVs, of course, but that's OK. Don't remember what they showed—not something very interesting.
Crew: 6
Not the best crew I've ever had, and certainly less friendly than domestic crews IMO.
Food/Beverage: 1
Worst meal offering on a TATL flight. Almost inedible.
On-Time: 6
A bit more than 30 minutes late, which is more than should happen—below average.
Disembark: 7
Worked as it should; didn't wait for long for the jetway to be attached as happened in CDG on some occasions.
Lounge: 7
Average lounge overall. Good selection of snacks/drinks.

Average: 5.64


Previous TRs:
March 2012, FCO-JFK-ORD, Delta, 333/CR7 (by dc9northwest Apr 1 2012 in Trip Reports)
March 2012, OTP-FCO, Alitalia, A319 (by dc9northwest Mar 28 2012 in Trip Reports)
MCI-OTP: Three Upgrades And A380 Flight Deck Visit (by dc9northwest Feb 13 2012 in Trip Reports)
The Baltic States In 6 Easy Flights (by dc9northwest Dec 26 2010 in Trip Reports)
Romanian TR: Bucuresti-Suceava Via Timisoara (by dc9northwest Dec 24 2010 in Trip Reports)
Connecting In ATL, Right Before The Snowstorm (by dc9northwest Mar 1 2010 in Trip Reports)
MCI-ATL-AMS-OTP With DL And KL (60+pics And Vids) (by Dc9northwest Jun 14 2007 in Trip Reports)

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User currently offlineWidebodyroga From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 613 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 14840 times:

Hey dc9NW,

Nice trip report. I would have loved to see some photos from your arrival at OTP. I spent a unforgettable night there (in the airport itself) a few years ago but unfortunately did not take any photos either.

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
and I had an interesting conversation with the Bulgarian baggage handler by the Delta desks, which went something like “Gica Hagi, Gica Popescu, Ceausescu” “Stoichkov”.

Haha. I swear, ORD is a Bulgarian colony... I need to think twice before I use my Bulgarian passport at ORD. Random people (shop employees, baggage handlers, other staff) start talking to me in Bulgarian...

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
Somehow I find it interesting that US check-in agents usually can't do anything on intra-European segments (sometimes not even a boarding pass, Alitalia, Alitalia) whereas I never have any problem checking-in in OTP, for instance.

Yeah, it kinda annoys me too. Especially when I have a short connection in Europe and I have to spend it hunting for my next boarding passes...

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
We were taken to M1

Sweet. That's the gate one can see very clearly when arriving to ORD on the CTA Blue Line.

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
An unfocused RJ A340! I like airplanes wearing dark clothes:

I love the RJ livery...

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
Here's a report on these Cessnas, by Widebodyroga:
Aller-Retour To Decatur, With 3E. Wait, Who? (by Widebodyroga Feb 8 2012 in Trip Reports)

Hehe, I didn't expect to be referenced. Thanks! I'm planning another trip with 3E later this year.


So what do you major in if you don't mind me asking? I have a good Romanian friend who was (until recently) a grad student in the Physics Dept (Cosmological Physics) at the University of Chicago. If you are a UofC student there is a good chance you may know him.


Thanks for putting this together!

WBodyroga



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User currently offlinecaleb1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 14832 times:
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It is a shame that Delta has taken such a nosedive in terms of onboard service offerings. At one time, until the very early '90s, they rivalled the best European and Asian carriers when it came to their inflight product. It really is too bad that they have taken such a fall. I enjoyed your TR though.

User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2293 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14740 times:

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 1):
Nice trip report. I would have loved to see some photos from your arrival at OTP. I spent a unforgettable night there (in the airport itself) a few years ago but unfortunately did not take any photos either.

Hehe. Well, no I don't have any arrival pics from OTP, although you can probably find a few in my OTP-FCO report to which I linked  
Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 1):
Haha. I swear, ORD is a Bulgarian colony... I need to think twice before I use my Bulgarian passport at ORD. Random people (shop employees, baggage handlers, other staff) start talking to me in Bulgarian...

I had the same experience in the lounge.... someone saw my Romanian passport and addressed me in Romanian... But yes, indeed. I noticed that too, abut the number of Bulgarian employees. When my grandma and I arrived at ORD, the lady who brought the wheelchair was from Bulgaria as well  
Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 1):
Yeah, it kinda annoys me too. Especially when I have a short connection in Europe and I have to spend it hunting for my next boarding passes...

Yeah... I simply don't understand why that happens so often!?

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 1):
Sweet. That's the gate one can see very clearly when arriving to ORD on the CTA Blue Line.

Yes it is! I believe I caught a blue line train in one of my pics.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 1):
Hehe, I didn't expect to be referenced. Thanks! I'm planning another trip with 3E later this year.

Hehe. Your report inspired me to find out more about 3E. It's a shame their destinations aren't the most interesting places in the world, though   It would still be good to try out the Cessnas... What time frame are you looking at for your next 3E trip if you don't mind me asking?

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 1):
So what do you major in if you don't mind me asking? I have a good Romanian friend who was (until recently) a grad student in the Physics Dept (Cosmological Physics) at the University of Chicago. If you are a UofC student there is a good chance you may know him.

It's physics (and math), as you might have guessed  

Hmmm... Yes, I think I know who you're talking about. If we're referring to the same person (which seems likely), he was my TA for my first-year physics courses, for one  

Anyway, thanks for reading!

Quoting caleb1 (Reply 2):
It is a shame that Delta has taken such a nosedive in terms of onboard service offerings. At one time, until the very early '90s, they rivalled the best European and Asian carriers when it came to their inflight product. It really is too bad that they have taken such a fall. I enjoyed your TR though.

Hi Caleb,

I wouldn't say this is the usual DL service--I've generally had much better experiences on DL. However, the catering was simply awful.

I'm sure that service standards dropped--across the board, in the past 20 years--but then again I think prices have also dropped.

Thanks for reading!

Comments always welcome!

[Edited 2012-04-08 13:14:25]

User currently offline767747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1937 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14308 times:
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Another good report, dc9northwest!

I'm sorry to hear your meal on DL was so disappointing; this can make or break a flight in Y in my mind!

I did not realize DL offered a ORD-CDG flight each night; very cool!

Economy Comfort looks like a nice area of the plane to ride in, I hope I get a chance to fly in it next time we do a long-haul DL flight.

Best,

Matthew (767747)


User currently offlineWidebodyroga From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 613 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13976 times:

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 3):
Hehe. Well, no I don't have any arrival pics from OTP, although you can probably find a few in my OTP-FCO report to which I linked  

I will do just that. Thank you!

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 3):
Hehe. Your report inspired me to find out more about 3E. It's a shame their destinations aren't the most interesting places in the world, though   It would still be good to try out the Cessnas... What time frame are you looking at for your next 3E trip if you don't mind me asking?

I'm thinking of doing an ORD-BRL-STL route with 3E and then return to Chicago on a legacy airline or WN. I'm thinking of doing so in early July. Some other fellow a.netters have shown some interest in joining, but it is way to early to tell if it's gonna work. It should be fun though.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 3):
It's physics (and math), as you might have guessed  

Hmmm... Yes, I think I know who you're talking about. If we're referring to the same person (which seems likely), he was my TA for my first-year physics courses, for one  

Anyway, thanks for reading!

It's a small world after all  

Also, after abrelosojos and myself, you are the 3rd Maroon (or ex-maroon) that I know who is an active a.net trip reporter. I wonder if there are more of us...

Thanks again!

WBodyroga



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User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2293 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13963 times:

Quoting 767747 (Reply 4):
Another good report, dc9northwest!

Thanks so much, Matthew!

Quoting 767747 (Reply 4):
I'm sorry to hear your meal on DL was so disappointing; this can make or break a flight in Y in my mind!

It was very disappointing, but I lived  
Quoting 767747 (Reply 4):
I did not realize DL offered a ORD-CDG flight each night; very cool!

Yes, it is indeed cool. Their joint venture with AF/KL/AZ will bring us some interesting routes. I think AF took over the route with the summer season, though.

Quoting 767747 (Reply 4):
Economy Comfort looks like a nice area of the plane to ride in, I hope I get a chance to fly in it next time we do a long-haul DL flight.

I think there was a glitch--I didn't end up paying for Economy Comfort somehow! That said, I would say the $40 is worth it for an 8-hr long flight. Well, if that's the price, anyway; to be honest I'm not sure what the full price is, $40 might include a discount.

Anyway, thanks for leaving a comment; it's much appreciated!

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 5):
I will do just that. Thank you!

No problem. I usually take fewer pictures when I'm at OTP but now that I haven't had issues with any security people lately, I'll probably be more bold in taking pictures at one of my home bases.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 5):
I'm thinking of doing an ORD-BRL-STL route with 3E and then return to Chicago on a legacy airline or WN. I'm thinking of doing so in early July. Some other fellow a.netters have shown some interest in joining, but it is way to early to tell if it's gonna work. It should be fun though.

Hmm, great minds think alike, I suppose; that's exactly the kind of idea I had for a 3E trip... That said, early July definitely does not work for me, as I'll be in Europe. Now, if it gets postponed to October... different story! We should keep in touch, anyway.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 5):
It's a small world after all  

Also, after abrelosojos and myself, you are the 3rd Maroon (or ex-maroon) that I know who is an active a.net trip reporter. I wonder if there are more of us...

Haha, yes, it is indeed a small world--and I've seen so little of it.

Well, who knows what we might find if we look for other UofC people! BTW, did you study here for undergrad or grad school?

Thanks again for reading!

[Edited 2012-04-08 17:31:24]

User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 650 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12953 times:

Thank you for posting! I like Delta, but never flew them internationally. When I heard they were replacing Air France on the ORD-CDG run I was thrilled ... though I never had the opportunity to fly the flight. Great read!

User currently offlinelychemsa From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1202 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12806 times:

I dislike flying on US airlines to Europe because of their lousy meals. The "Enjoy" on the box is pretty insulting.

How much extra do you pay for the Premium Y cabin? On UA they offer the same number of seats but more legroom. On BA there are less seats + more legroom. Extra is therefore a lot more than Y.


User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2293 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 12624 times:

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 7):

Thank you for posting! I like Delta, but never flew them internationally. When I heard they were replacing Air France on the ORD-CDG run I was thrilled ... though I never had the opportunity to fly the flight. Great read!

Thank you very much for reading, TWA1985!

I wish I could say better things about my experience on the ORD-CDG run by DL, but AF probably would offer better service if you catch one of their good days. Bad days... I'll take DL, thanks  
Quoting lychemsa (Reply 8):
I dislike flying on US airlines to Europe because of their lousy meals. The "Enjoy" on the box is pretty insulting.

How much extra do you pay for the Premium Y cabin? On UA they offer the same number of seats but more legroom. On BA there are less seats + more legroom. Extra is therefore a lot more than Y.


Hi there,

I think the regular fare is 80$ for a segment of this length. DL's product is similar to UA's as far as I can tell, so not that much more compared to Y. Just 4-5 inches more legroom and more recline I think.

AF's and BA's products seem to be different than DL/UA. Ironically DL follows KL in such an offering. Food is always the same (AF/KL/DL).

Thanks for reading!


User currently offlineakhmad From Netherlands, joined Sep 2005, 2476 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 12432 times:

Hello Alex,

Either you or your parents were in charge of the expenses, I am really touched to see how you being a good grandson tagged along with your grandmother for any assistance on her return journey to Romania. Bravo!     


I would be eager to follow your example. Unfortunately, Both of my grandmothers have already passed away.  


Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
I asked for a wheelchair to take us to M1 before boarding, which was, when time came, handled with no problems.

  


Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
I like turbulence—it makes me sleep so peacefully 

Yeah, shake it, baby!  


Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
since we had a short connection of only 1h 50 minutes. Hey, no haters, please; in CDG that is a short connection!

I believe you.

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
Confused my grandma for a bit (not the language, but the fact that it was “in reverse”    

Wow, does she speak a bit Japanese as well?

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
Courtesy doesn't really exist and security treats everyone like morons.

To be honest, my one and only experience with CDG security was okay. But, I can imagine if you travel with elderly family member like your grandmother, you wish the officers to be gentle and considerate.


Thank you for sharing.

Greetings,
Suryo



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User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2293 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 12295 times:

Quoting akhmad (Reply 10):
Either you or your parents were in charge of the expenses, I am really touched to see how you being a good grandson tagged along with your grandmother for any assistance on her return journey to Romania. Bravo!

Well, it was indeed my parents who paid for my and my grandmother's trip. I paid for my own ticket out of Romania though  
Quoting akhmad (Reply 10):
I would be eager to follow your example. Unfortunately, Both of my grandmothers have already passed away.  

Sorry to hear that, Suryo  
Quoting akhmad (Reply 10):
Yeah, shake it, baby!  

Hehe. That's right.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 10):
Wow, does she speak a bit Japanese as well?

I guess that's a bit of ambiguity on my part--being a magazine in Japanese it was binded on the right side as you look at the cover, as opposed to an English/French magazine, whose binding would be on the left--that's what caused the confusion. Unfortunately, no Japanese skills.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 10):
To be honest, my one and only experience with CDG security was okay. But, I can imagine if you travel with elderly family member like your grandmother, you wish the officers to be gentle and considerate.

Yes, I most certainly would. I guess the more crowded a checkpoint, the less courtesy they have. Which is understandable, but you have to have basic skills if you work with people!

Thanks for reading, Suryo!


User currently offlinealitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4750 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 11927 times:

Nice trip report.

Looks like you lucked out and traveled on the 767 that took out the CR9 last year in Boston!



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User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2293 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11505 times:

Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 12):

Nice trip report.

Looks like you lucked out and traveled on the 767 that took out the CR9 last year in Boston!

Hah, thank you very much for the info; I had not noticed that aspect.

Thanks for reading  


User currently offlineWidebodyroga From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 613 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 11468 times:

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 6):
Hmm, great minds think alike, I suppose; that's exactly the kind of idea I had for a 3E trip... That said, early July definitely does not work for me, as I'll be in Europe. Now, if it gets postponed to October... different story! We should keep in touch, anyway.

That's a pity. October on the other hand doesn't work at all for me as it is possibly the busiest month at work. Maybe we can make it work some other time, perhaps when 3E expands its network of operations out of ORD  
Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 6):
BTW, did you study here for undergrad or grad school?

I'm a postdoc at the Biological Sciences Division (I work at the hospital building). Our departments' buildings are not all that far at all...


And by the way, will you be flying anything exciting (in terms of airline or routing) on your way to Europe in July? Or have you not booked your flights yet?

WideBodyroga



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User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2293 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 11392 times:

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 14):
That's a pity. October on the other hand doesn't work at all for me as it is possibly the busiest month at work. Maybe we can make it work some other time, perhaps when 3E expands its network of operations out of ORD

Sure thing; I'm sure we can work something out eventually  

What are their plans for expansion out of ORD? Did they announce any new routes?

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 14):
I'm a postdoc at the Biological Sciences Division (I work at the hospital building). Our departments' buildings are not all that far at all...


And by the way, will you be flying anything exciting (in terms of airline or routing) on your way to Europe in July? Or have you not booked your flights yet?

Ah, you still are at the U of C (I thought you were referring to both yourself and abrelosojos when you said ex-Maroon). That's great   Yeah, we're just a couple of blocks away, I suppose...

Neither routing nor airline are really that exciting; I'll take my first flight on B6 to JFK and then take DL to FCO and AZ to OTP. I wanted to try out B6, so thought this was the perfect opportunity. I'm looking at more interesting routings on the way back, but we shall see...

More interesting is my attempt to get on Bahamasair's 737-200 in May... They'll probably change it to a 735 soon... But at least I combined it with a DL 753 on the way back. Speaking of which--I just read your Bahamas report from last summer--how did you like Nassau, looking back?


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Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 11287 times:

Thank you for the trip report and the pictures!
I'd love to carry 2 passports myself with one being US passport lol

I love the extensive network of Delta/KLM/Air France across the atlantic but Delta 767s are really outdated without PTV and old style seats. They look uncomfortable even with 40 inches legroom. You bum and back still hurt.

Food offering looks typical American carrier, not to expect much.Even Air China offers far better in-flight meals.

I just wish all international airlines flying into the US lift up their service standard even higher so that US carrier will revise what they are offering. You can't just blame it on fuel, there gotta be a way to deliver better in-flight service experiences.

Enjoy flying!!
net-hkt



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Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 11268 times:

Hi Atthaphon,

Quoting nethkt (Reply 16):
I'd love to carry 2 passports myself with one being US passport lol

I lucked out--an US passport and an EU passport. I can travel to many places without a visa, I suppose. Hopefully I'll start exploring some other continents soon  
Quoting nethkt (Reply 16):
I love the extensive network of Delta/KLM/Air France across the atlantic but Delta 767s are really outdated without PTV and old style seats. They look uncomfortable even with 40 inches legroom. You bum and back still hurt.

I'm not the biggest fan of PTVs (although just a few years ago I wouldn't contemplate flying for 8 hours without one), but yes, DL 767s have an aging feeling to them. Unlike with the DC-9s, there is no special feeling... However, 2-3-2 is amazing. I'll for sure choose 2-3-2 without PTV over 3-4-3 with PTV  

Regarding the seat--it's OK. Not the most comfortable, but OK for an 8-hr journey.


Quoting nethkt (Reply 16):
Food offering looks typical American carrier, not to expect much.Even Air China offers far better in-flight meals.

I know Air China isn't the best Asian carrier (well, far from it), but still, I find it hard to compare an Asian airline with an American airline in terms of service  

That said, the guys at FCO seem to make some good meals for DL.

Quoting nethkt (Reply 16):
I just wish all international airlines flying into the US lift up their service standard even higher so that US carrier will revise what they are offering. You can't just blame it on fuel, there gotta be a way to deliver better in-flight service experiences.

I definitely agree with you. I have an upcoming TATL flight in June... I definitely wanted to get on AZ's new A330 over DL's 333, but the AZ website would not allow me to book that flight.

A good airline has to be good in many aspects... Unfortunately none of my airlines have every aspect up to satisfactory levels (hmmm.... actually I can't complain at all about KL). That said, I'm happy with SkyTeam, generally.

Thanks very much for leaving a comment. It's always appreciated  


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Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 11146 times:

Thanks for posting, interesting read. I flew this route on AF last October, just before DL took over. Quite a difference in termens of inflight catering I must say...

User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2293 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10924 times:

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 18):

Thanks for posting, interesting read. I flew this route on AF last October, just before DL took over. Quite a difference in termens of inflight catering I must say...

Hi Robert!

Thanks for reading the report. AF is OK; it's rare to have a truly good meal in Y...


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Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10643 times:
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Thank you for an insightful trip report on Delta! I will be flying with DL from DTW-AMS & v.v. in Economy Comfort in June and did not know what to expect on an international flight operated by a U.S.-based airline. I've always taken Air France or KLM in the past and thoroughly enjoyed my experience with both.

How would you rate the flight crew overall?



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User currently offlineWidebodyroga From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 613 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10630 times:

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 15):
What are their plans for expansion out of ORD? Did they announce any new routes?

Not really, it was just wishful thinking 
Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 15):
I'm looking at more interesting routings on the way back, but we shall see...

Have you perhaps considered VV to JFK? I have thought of trying them out on a TATL but it's been hard to make it work for me. I'm very curious to see what kind of product they offer on long-hauls.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 15):
More interesting is my attempt to get on Bahamasair's 737-200 in May... They'll probably change it to a 735 soon... But at least I combined it with a DL 753 on the way back. Speaking of which--I just read your Bahamas report from last summer--how did you like Nassau, looking back?

Well Nassau didn't impress me all that much. The real Bahamas (or the Bahamas worth seeing IMO) can be seen in the "Out" Islands. Also bear in mind that Bahamasair has a terrible reputation for delays, bad service and rude staff. I honestly have not read a single positive review about them (forget positive, not even a neutral one). I hope it works out well for you.

WideBodyroga



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Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10623 times:

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 21):
Not really, it was just wishful thinking 

I see. Well, let's keep wishing it 
Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 21):
Have you perhaps considered VV to JFK? I have thought of trying them out on a TATL but it's been hard to make it work for me. I'm very curious to see what kind of product they offer on long-hauls.

Hmmm... I had not thought about it! I'll have to see if schedules work well from OTP, but it might be a possibility. Thanks for the suggestion  
Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 21):
Well Nassau didn't impress me all that much. The real Bahamas (or the Bahamas worth seeing IMO) can be seen in the "Out" Islands. Also bear in mind that Bahamasair has a terrible reputation for delays, bad service and rude staff. I honestly have not read a single positive review about them (forget positive, not even a neutral one). I hope it works out well for you.

Hehe. Thanks for the reply.

I have to say, I'm well aware of UP's reputation--I was looking at UP205 on a site--minimum delay 4 min, max delay 314 min in the past couple of months. Apparently in the past week or so the best performance was 30 minutes late. I don't see what inflight service they would offer...

That's why I'll be spending a night in FLL; don't want to risk missing my connection due to Bahamasair. However, I still want to try them.


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Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 10581 times:

Quoting AirAfreak (Reply 20):
Thank you for an insightful trip report on Delta! I will be flying with DL from DTW-AMS & v.v. in Economy Comfort in June and did not know what to expect on an international flight operated by a U.S.-based airline. I've always taken Air France or KLM in the past and thoroughly enjoyed my experience with both.

How would you rate the flight crew overall?

Hi AirAfreak,

Sorry for missing your question at first.

Well, I would certainly rate DL crews lower than KL and *usually* AF. As I've said somewhere, on a bad day, I'll take DL crews over AF, but on a good day AF provides better service.

Economy comfort is OK, it's basically a carbon copy of KL's E+ offering, if you're familiar with that product.

As always, thanks for reading, and feel free to leave comments  


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Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 10567 times:

I'm confused, I've flown this route 4 times and always on AA because I can't find DL online operating this route??!! Is it like once weekly? Did they stop? Is it just AF now?


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25 dc9northwest : Hi there WNCrew! Well, there is indeed good reason you can't find it--AF took over the route with the summer season. I believe DL offered 5x weekly in
26 Post contains images AirAfreak : No worries and thanks for the feedback!!! My first experience was last month in Economy Comfort on KLM'S 777 and 330 services. I chose Row 11 on the
27 Post contains links and images win1290 : Nice trip report dc9northwest! Never connecting on a flight at CDG, I was thinking of doing that on BKK to BRS via CDG, but after reading this, I supp
28 LFutia : Hey! As an ORD resident myself, nice trip report always nice to see an ORD trip report being published. How nice of you to accompany your grandmother
29 Post contains images dc9northwest : Thanks for reading, Win! Well, as long as you leave yourself enough time and prepared to face AF agents if something goes wrong, you could connect th
30 PlaneHunter : The pictures are gone - what happened? PH
31 dc9northwest : Hi PH, I can still see them... Does anyone else have this problem?
32 PlaneHunter : Now they are suddenly back - what did you do? Anyway, interesting last part of your series. DL's product on that 767 doesn't look impressive at all.
33 LFutia : Haha most definitely correct and surprised me! Leo/ORD
34 Post contains images dc9northwest : Truth is, I didn't do a thing. They were already back when I read your post... Thanks for reading PH! Anyway, Does that include Y, for Middle East ca
35 PlaneHunter : Very odd. Of course! Most of my flights have been in Y Class. I guess it's EK between Malta and Cyprus. You can expect a nice snack/meal on that flig
36 Post contains images dc9northwest : Yes it is. I'm really not sure what happened. Anyway, thanks for letting me know. Didn't have to do anything now, but at least I can try to salvage t
37 MSS658 : Hi Great trip report, thanks for sharing! The Delta 767's look familiar to me after flying them numourus times between Brussels and Atlanta. Despite t
38 Post contains images dc9northwest : Yeah, the DL 767s are real workhorses, I have to say! Certainly they look much better than 8 years ago, IMO. Meals... well, perhaps the next step is
39 Post contains images abrelosojos : Thank you very much for this report - I had no idea you would actually end up writing one given you are probably saving your energy for the summer ...
40 Post contains images dc9northwest : Hola! No, thank you for reading and commenting Yes, I have to save energy for summer... Because, even without flying, I've lost some of it The Norweg
41 TYCOON : I am thoroughly convinced that people's perception of AF or CDG is determined by their own bias (witness Abrelosojos or dc9northwest) who always state
42 dc9northwest : Hi Tycoon, Do I have a pre-existing aversion to AF? I wouldn't say so. In fact, unlike abrelosojos, I have a positive perception of their service stan
43 TYCOON : I have my own doubts about Abrelosojos racist story of the AF lounge in CDG... Fortunately, in all my years traveling in and out of this airport, I do
44 dc9northwest : Maybe you were lucky... But you flew through CDG quite a lot. Who knows? No need to clear security when transferring b/w 2E and 2F? That might indeed
45 kiramakora : Find this amusing as Abrelosojos is one of the most respected writers here on A.Net and has more flying experience than most of us. I have always fou
46 abrelosojos : = DC9NORTHWEST, I would like to focus on your experience - and am grateful that you wrote this report. You and I have had continued negative experien
47 Post contains images Widebodyroga : Of course, how could I forget? I swear, I'm suffering from memory lapses. I knew there were more of us. A reunion at Jimmy's would be most appropriat
48 Post contains images dc9northwest : Muchas gracias, amigo Indeed there are countless reports about CDG, and most are pretty consistent with each other... Thanks again for reading. Yes,
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