I left you with a few photos from my first few days in Calcutta. Being my first trip to India, I wasn’t really sure what to expect, and I experienced just that…a bizarre mishmash of experiences. With my one week in the country, I needed a second place to visit. In that next of the woods the obvious attraction is the old British Hill Station of Darjeeling. Everyone’s heard of the tea, and the cool average temperatures (as opposed to the sweltering conditions on the plains) were enough to convince me.
When I put “I’m off to Darjeeling” as my Facebook status, an old colleague of mine messaged me asking what dates I’d be there. As it turned out, our stays coincided….a second fortuitous turn of events. He’s a native Darjellinger, so perfect as a guide.
My initial plan was to take the overnight “Darjeeling Mail” train up to New Jalpaiguri station, however, when it was time to book, every train was sold out. Never mind, I’ll have to fly both ways! There wasn’t a lot of choice on the route….Spicejet or Jet Konnect (formerly Jet Lite), two Indian no-frills carriers. Both bookings were made on the rather creaky “Make My Trip” website. My CCU-IXB flight would be with Spicejet, and the return on Jet Konnect.
From my hotel in Calcutta, I took another ancient yellow taxi back to the airport.
Sights on the way
As I was still rather cautious about photography in Indian Airports, I took most of this reports photos with my phone on the sly.
I was dropped off outside the domestic terminal, and made my way to the baggage check point after showing a print out of my flight details (it seems this is essential to get into any terminal building in the country). There was a separate baggage scanner for each airline – there was no queue at the Spicejet one. The scanner person asked if I had any open bottles of spirits in my bag. I had two half bottles of vodka. I was told that opened bottles of spirits were a safety hazard, so wouldn’t be allowed. However, as it was my first time, they would just “seal up the bottle for me”. Hmm, thanks for not confiscating it, but really, is a half drunk bottle of vodka in a suitcase the biggest hazard you can find?
Not unexpectedly, the second bottle of vodka proceeded unnoticed. Next step was check in. Despite having arrived nearly 2 hours before departure, I was told that there were no window seats left. Damn. I was offered the exit row, however, which turned out to be seat 28E. I was told this was “sort of“ a window seat, leading me to believe we were on a strangely numbered B737 old generation with a missing window seat. My bag was tagged, and I was dierected towards security.
At security my cabin bags were both given a tag, and stamped with the date. It seems these are also incredibly important for travel in India, and vital to flight safety.
With my bags tagged and stamped, I was through. As it was lunchtime, I bought a sad looking chicken roll,a nd sat staring into space.
FIDS, Calcutta style
With an hour to go before boarding, I proceeded upstairs towards gate 3A. Sights on the way, through some nicely tinted glass
Waiting room – fairly comfy seats
After an hour or so, boarding started, although I didn’t realise at first. They decided to board two flights simultaneously through the same door, which caused quite a bit of confusion.
We were loaded into buses, and set off to the far side of the airport
March 2012
Calcutta (CCU) – Bagdogra (IXB)
Spicejet SG 323
Scheduled: 1355-1455 (1h00m)
Actual: 1402-1445 (0m43)
Boeing 737-900 VT-SPU
Economy
This aircraft was involved in a tail strike (http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/SectorsAviation/Tail-strikes-ground-SpiceJet-aircraft/Article1-733116.aspx)
I was quite surprised, and secretly delighted, that we pulled up next to VT-SPU, a Boeing 737-900. Having managed to not fly one of these for many years, I’d managed to log two in just 3 days (the other being the Lion Air example). Wonderful. This also explains my very high seat number.
Of all the places I wanted to sit on the 739, row 28 was in the correct area. I say area, rather than row, as row 27 and 28 had possibly the narrowest seats I’ve ever had the misfortune to have to squeeze into. They were around 2 inches narrower than the other seats. Row 28, at least, had the benefit of extra legroom, and a quasi window view. Row 27 was unquestionably the worst row of the plane, with narrow seats, normal legroom, no view, and having the FA sat next to you enforcing the rules. From 28E I was sat practically face to face with the FA. I commented on the seat width to which she commiserated, and pointed out the good legroom.
Row 29 A and F are the seats to go for, with the A seat having the added benefit of no watching FA. As you can see if the photo above, I put my book and headphones in the pocket. Unfortunately a very grumpy FA came stomping down the aisle, and said that I couldn’t have anything in there for take off or landing. Hmmm, first time it’s ever been an issue on any airline. I was now left with a half view out the window, and the rather uninspiring magazine (which apparently was ok for the seat pocket).
Row 28 window
Row 29 window
Yup, definitely the 739
Obviously, no photos from take off. With the flight time announced at a mercifully short 45 minutes, the grumpy crew sprang into action distributing preordered meals
BOB menu
With the preordered stuff having been doled out, the crew flogged the rest of their preheated meals to those hungry enough to try the gruel for the galley. I must say, these crew were really not the friendly types. Some were quite hot, but it couldn’t have been more different to the wonderful SQ crew.
We landed early into Bagdogra Airport. There was an announcement informing everyone that this was a military airport, and photography was forbidden. Also, as soon as we were off the runway, a further announcement that mobile phones could now be used.
Being a Western deviant, the first thing I did was take a photo upon disembarkation (from the safety of the bus).
Bag tag
Having learnt my lesson of Calcutta Airport taxis, I went straight to the pre-paid desk, and got a voucher for a taxi up to Darjeeling.
The tea fields of lower Darjeeling
Traffic jams on the way up
My cosy room at the Dekerling Hotel
Lounge
From my hotel window. I was lucky to see the mountains…they were only visible for a few hours during my 3 days through the fug
It was great catching up with my friend in Darjeeling – we did a nice walking tour the first day
Tenzing Norgay at the Himalayan Mountaineering Institute, which had a very interesting museum about the Everest ascents. My friend regaled me with interesting stories of meeting random multi-ascent climbers from his hometown. Once he chatted up Tenzing Norgay’s son’s wife without realising who she was.
The Himalayan Zoo
Terribly British – street cricket
And my friends ex-boarding school – doesn’t look very Indian, does it?
Local beers
Tibetan food
Nepali food
Some acceptably tasty Indian red wine
Curry!
More photos
A lot of people come up to Darjeeling to have a ride on the Toy Railway. This feat of engineering runs from the plains all the way to Darjeeling on a spectacular track, weaving in and out of towns and villages on the way. It was built in the 1880s by the Brits as an easy way to get out of the heat of Calcutta, and into the more temperate climate of Darjeeling. If you take the train from the bottom (New Jalpaiguri) it take a bone rattling 8 hours. The road takes 3. An easier proposition is either a joy ride (book a few days in advance) or a seat on the normal train just only going a few stops (my choice).
Ghum station, India’s highest
Ghum train museum
Here she comes!
What is this exotic parade? Oh, it’s just palm Sunday. How boring.
A monastery in Ghum
Funeral pyre ready to go
After 3 nights in Darjeeling, it was time to head back down the mountain, and re-join the heat and squalor of Calcutta. Traffic jam down….
Back at Bogdogra Airport, I decided to get a print out of my itinerary form the Jet Airways desk, rather than hunt around in my bag for my print out. Seems my quest for a print out was worth it, as everyone with their own print out seemed to been sent to the desk to have it “verified” with a stamp.
Queuing to get into the terminal
There was a long swaying line leading to the Jet/Spicejet baggage scanner. It took around 15 minutes to get o the front. Fully expecting the person to question my vodka bottles, I was quite surprised when I was asked what electrical items I had in the bag. After a lot of digging around, the mystery object causing the lady so much distress was found….an AAA battery floating around on the bottom of my bag. Clearly the vodka issues only exit in Calcutta!
With my bag approved for airline carriage, I was proceeded to check in. this time I was actually offered a emergency row window seat, but declined it for a regular window, with the hope of being able to take some photos. Druk Air fly between Bangkok and Paro with a stop in Bagdogra apparently.
With my bags tagged, and my boarding pass issued, I proceeded upstairs to the nice tarmac view restaurant (no planes to be seen though) for some lunch and a lime soda.
With lunch eaten, I went through security (more hassles, and very slow) and into the departure lounge. When I saw a few other people taking photos, I seized the opportunity to take some too. Safety in numbers and all that.
The Jet Konnect flight to Delhi. The FAs on this plane wore the nice yellow jackets
My Spicejet landing
Departure lounge as seen from the Delhi queue. Yes, I joined the queue as there was no FIDS to check, and the announcement was incomprehensible other than “Jet flight……”
That’s my plane!
Lovely Air India A321 – love their livery, shame they didn’t fly the route
2nd time lucky!
After the tags on my bags were checked, there was a further check on the walk downstairs where everyone was frisked. Security was onerously tight. We were once again bussed to the plane. I was fortunate enough to be the first off, and up the steps.
I had higher expectations for this quasi Jet Airways flight. The staff were an enormous let down through. There were two FA in the F class galley – neither acknowledged me.
Cabin
On my way down to my seat, a “lady” FA (not wearing the nice yellow coat) pushed her way past. Nice.
The Jet Magazine
Jet network
Much larger domestic network of Jet Konnect. Interesting how they have switched from being a full servicer carrier on all routes, to a majority no-frills carrier.
Fleet
The F cabin on the 77W – I’ll be on one of these operated by TG in a few weeks
Jet Café
Boarding underway
Tarmac. The guy in the aisle seemed to take offence at my photo and told me not to take photos
Taxiing past the terminal
This was the last photo I got before I was again reminded by the angry guy on the aisle not to take photos.
Cruising over the plains of northeast India
Unlike on Spicejet, Jet Konnect offer free water – it was a bit hard to get the crew’s attention, however. This crew were about as bad tempered and suited to front line customer contact as Spicejet.
Approach to Calcutta
The new terminal in progress
My bag doesn’t take too long to arrive. The domestic arrivals area is much more spacious than the international terminal.
Now accustomed to Calcutta, taxis are getting a bit easier to organise. This time I’m lucky to get a taxi with a comfy seat, although the driver has no idea where he’s going…
I’ve prebooked tonight accommodation via Hostelbookers as it looked like the place had a bit of character, something lacking form the Expedia hotels. Indeed, the Bodhi Tree is lovely – a Buddhist retreat in the middle of the city (albeit in the far south, so a bit far from the action).
I head out to the Bawa Walson Hotel to pick up some stuff I left there before Darjeeling, and have dinner in a place nearby…my first lassi!
I then take part in a quintessentially Calcutta activity, taking a ride on a 100% man powered rickshaw. Apparently, Calcutta is the last bastion of this sort of transport. Needless to say I was overcharged (for being a tourist), and give him a tip. For the record he wanted about $1 for the 10 minute journey. It was quite the ride.
And no shoes!
Whilst it’s hard to say that these jobs are suitable for people to do, banning these rickshaws will simply make more people destitute. It’s the same as legalised child labour. If it’s legal, the children can work in registered factories etc. If it’s made illegal, the children will still have to work, just in unlicensed factories , and without any protection….
It’s my last night in India, so time to start the book I should have read before I came, with a Kingfisher in the Buddhist garden.
So, what did I think? Flying in India is a right hassle, much akin to travelling in the USA. However, even the Americans aren’t as continuously as pointlessly as anal as the Indians when it comes to applying bizarre and archaic rules. A few touches of common sense could go a long way. How about using some of that tensa-rope stored in the corner to make a proper area for people to queue, rather than make with own zigzaggy queues all over the place? Why not spend a few hundred pounds of a proper set of FIDS rather than those virtually useless flip boards? Why are the staff so insistent that you don’t take photos? I mean any spy worth their salt would have something a bit more high tech to record their flight than a SLR, right?
And Darjeeling was a nice break from Calcutta. It was fantastic to catch up with my friend in his hometown as it had been such a long time since I’d last seen him. It’s just a shame the mountain views weren’t a bit clearer.
So, if you like flying in an atmosphere of fear and never ending queues, do some Indian domestics!
OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 24893 posts, RR: 60 Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 7306 times:
Hey another wonderful report and the photos are amazing. Love all that curry and I'm starving now The photos are making we want to pack my bags and go travelling in India for a month. One day I will do it . Only been once which is a disgrace personally as my Family on my Fathers side hail from there !
Love the mix of old British Colonial past one thing unique about India . They built mini English villages in certain places. Argue about the rights or wrongs about it I'm still amazed by it . Retreats in the mountains to escape the hot climate whilst sipping on Gin and Tonic with Quinine
Anyway thanks a lot for the nice read on this very damp/cold Saturday here in Ireland .
Regards
Philip
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Widebodyroga From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 472 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 7263 times:
One of the most interesting segments of your Asian trip so far Gabriel. I loved the photos of Darjeeling.
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): After an hour or so, boarding started, although I didn’t realise at first. They decided to board two flights simultaneously through the same door, which caused quite a bit of confusion.
Now that's a terrible idea. Was it really necessary?
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): From my hotel window. I was lucky to see the mountains…they were only visible for a few hours during my 3 days through the fug
Amazing views. Too bad for the poor visibility though. How did the hotel prices compare to those in Calcutta?
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): Tarmac. The guy in the aisle seemed to take offence at my photo and told me not to take photos
They take the whole "no photo" thing quite seriously don't they? Quite annoying.
A great first taste of the Himalayas for all of us reading your reports (assuming there will be more of that in Kathmandu).
Thanks!
WideBodyroga
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gabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 2512 posts, RR: 13 Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 7239 times:
Thanks for the comments guys!
Quoting N178UA (Reply 2):
Really enjoy your adventure and pictures
THanks!
Quoting N178UA (Reply 2): I hope one day I can drop the aviation part and spend more time doing a pure tourist would do.
Yes, is nice to do the flying, then see the country too
Quoting N178UA (Reply 2): Assuming you're using BD ticket stock for your travels. I think this will be history soon. You've done really well!
Yes, longhuals are on BD stock - loved it whilst it lasted
Quoting OA260 (Reply 3): Hey another wonderful report and the photos are amazing.
Thanks!
Quoting OA260 (Reply 3): Love all that curry and I'm starving now
Go get yourself a curry!
Quoting OA260 (Reply 3): Love the mix of old British Colonial past one thing unique about India . They built mini English villages in certain places. Argue about the rights or wrongs about it I'm still amazed by it . Retreats in the mountains to escape the hot climate whilst sipping on Gin and Tonic with Quinine
THe Brits certainly do make themselves at home!
Quoting OA260 (Reply 3): Anyway thanks a lot for the nice read on this very damp/cold Saturday here in Ireland .
Greetings from a hot and festive Bangladesh!
Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 4): One of the most interesting segments of your Asian trip so far Gabriel. I loved the photos of Darjeeling.
Thanks!
Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 4): Now that's a terrible idea. Was it really necessary?
Well in India they seem to like to make things as confusing as possible, so yes
Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 4): Amazing views. Too bad for the poor visibility though. How did the hotel prices compare to those in Calcutta?
I like to set a budget of around GBP 30 ($48)/night irrespective of where I am (unless the going rate is a lot more or less), but I find £30 is a good general guide. You can always pay more, or less. This hotel was £27/night.
Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 4): They take the whole "no photo" thing quite seriously don't they? Quite annoying.
Yes, they do (groan)!
Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 4): A great first taste of the Himalayas for all of us reading your reports (assuming there will be more of that in Kathmandu).
Well I'm off to KTM tomorrow (!yay!) - am trying to organise a sightseeing flight, but will see when I arrive.
LFutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3195 posts, RR: 31 Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 7141 times:
Gabriel,
What an awesome awesome awesome TR. I was born in Kolkata so seeing all the pictures from the airport and the lifestyle scenes made it extra special for me. I hope you had a great time in my city and Darjeeling looks pretty cool to go visit.
While one may not be accustomed to Indian security, I honestly feel more safer with Indian security rather than American security. I don't know maybe it is because I am used to the security that I don't mind it?
Leo/ORD
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gabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 2512 posts, RR: 13 Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 7018 times:
Quoting LFutia (Reply 6): What an awesome awesome awesome TR. I was born in Kolkata so seeing all the pictures from the airport and the lifestyle scenes made it extra special for me. I hope you had a great time in my city and Darjeeling looks pretty cool to go visit.
Glad you liked the report! Not sure "had a great time" is accurate, but it was definately an eye opener!
Quoting LFutia (Reply 6): While one may not be accustomed to Indian security, I honestly feel more safer with Indian security rather than American security. I don't know maybe it is because I am used to the security that I don't mind it?
To be honest, I have very little faith in any airpoirt security knowing what stuff I've inadvertently brought through without comment. I mean in CCU, they had that fuss about the vodka, but then missed the seoncd bottle... In IXB they didn;t care at all. I can only conclude that they don't know what they're looking for, and even when they do find it, they ignore it. I had two (plastic) wine bottle openers in my bag in SIN. They found one, but not the other. I've got bottles of water through security in KUL, and the list goes on. The only thing I can say for sure about Indian security is that you'll be made to queue a long time, it will be hot and that when you finally get to the front of the queue, someone will push in front of you.
adamspotter From Netherlands, joined Feb 2011, 776 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6798 times:
Hi Gabriel,
Finally had time to read parts 3,4 and 5!
Very nice reports with some very nice pictures!
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): I say area, rather than row, as row 27 and 28 had possibly the narrowest seats I’ve ever had the misfortune to have to squeeze into. They were around 2 inches narrower than the other seats. Row 28, at least, had the benefit of extra legroom, and a quasi window view. Row 27 was unquestionably the worst
Sultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1173 posts, RR: 29 Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6726 times:
Hi Gabriel,
Wonderful report my friend! Great destination pics in the land of contrasts. I envy you for travelling to these very nice places and for flying around on some exotic airlines. Enjoy it while you can!
Love the name of the first and the spelling of the second. Too bad the flights itself were rather mediocre although maybe the duration of 45 mins was not enough to fully appreciate it?
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): It seems these are also incredibly important for travel in India, and vital to flight safety.
For real?
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): Unfortunately a very grumpy FA came stomping down the aisle, and said that I couldn’t have anything in there for take off or landing. Hmmm, first time it’s ever been an issue on any airline.
That's very strange indeed. Being an exit row I imagine only putting luggage under the seat in front would pose a problem but no...
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): the mystery object causing the lady so much distress was found….an AAA battery floating around on the bottom of my bag.
Ridiculous!
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): Tarmac. The guy in the aisle seemed to take offence at my photo and told me not to take photos
Ha ha, I bet by the time your plane moved along, you gave him the finger
Very tight. First time I've got "stuck" in a seat!
Quoting adamspotter (Reply 8): Have never had that happen to me before.. Didn't he say the same upon landing? or did he ignore it this time
I think he was trying to enforce the rules for Bagdogra, so once we were out of there, he didn't care
Quoting Sultanils (Reply 9): Wonderful report my friend! Great destination pics in the land of contrasts. I envy you for travelling to these very nice places and for flying around on some exotic airlines. Enjoy it while you can!
Thanks. Will keep on enjoying!
Quoting Sultanils (Reply 9): Love the name of the first and the spelling of the second. Too bad the flights itself were rather mediocre although maybe the duration of 45 mins was not enough to fully appreciate it?
VIDP From India, joined Feb 2010, 151 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 6451 times:
Awesome TR keep them coming. Eagerly waiting for your next legs which are in pipeline. Actually IXB (Bagdogra) is an air base i am sure you would have been able to spot some MIG,s on the other side of the Apron. You have missed two wonderfull places Gangtok ( Capital of Sikkim) and Kalimpong . Nearest airbase is IXB again. Hope you enjoyed the Toy train.
PlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6183 posts, RR: 79 Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week ago) and read 6351 times:
Hi Gabriel,
very interesting continuation of your series! Pictures from India never get boring. It's a shame that flying there is such a hassle. When will they find out that cameras aren't dangerous weapons?
I had expected a bit more from SpiceJet.
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): At security my cabin bags were both given a tag, and stamped with the date. It seems these are also incredibly important for travel in India, and vital to flight safety.
I like that "ginger" tag! VT-SPU is named "Anise", btw.
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): . Having managed to not fly one of these for many years, I’d managed to log two in just 3 days (the other being the Lion Air example).
The 737-900 non-ERs have been around since 2001, the ER versions were first delivered in 2007. I still need to get a regular -900.
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): There was an announcement informing everyone that this was a military airport, and photography was forbidden.
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): The Jet Konnect flight to Delhi. The FAs on this plane wore the nice yellow jackets
That's a Jet Airways plane - and that's why the FAs wore the regular 9W uniforms.
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): I had higher expectations for this quasi Jet Airways flight. The staff were an enormous let down through. There were two FA in the F class galley – neither acknowledged me.
JetKonnect is 9W's LCC carrier, that's it. I had a great product and wonderful FAs on my BKK-BOM-LHR flights.
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): Interesting how they have switched from being a full servicer carrier on all routes, to a majority no-frills carrier.
That's not surprising, the competition in the domestic market has been fierce. Indigo which offers a FR-style product has been expanding quickly. You cannot compete as a full service carrier. Just see what happened to Kingfisher.
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): The guy in the aisle seemed to take offence at my photo and told me not to take photos
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): This was the last photo I got before I was again reminded by the angry guy on the aisle not to take photos.
MSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2212 posts, RR: 14 Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6158 times:
Hi Gabriel
Nice continuation, thanks for sharing.
That Spicejet 739ER looks very cramped, nothing for me IMO.
Thanks for giving us your Indian tour as well, I followed it with alot of interest.
Greetings
Marc.
lukeyboy95 From Papua New Guinea, joined Apr 2008, 951 posts, RR: 35 Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6032 times:
Yo Gabriel.
Let me make some comments...
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): In that next of the woods the obvious attraction is the old British Hill Station of Darjeeling. Everyone%u2019s heard of the tea, and the cool average temperatures (as opposed to the sweltering conditions on the plains) were enough to convince me.
Nice to hear you picked up on the advice. I had always wanted to go there myself. Train would have been alot of hassle, but often fully booked trains will allocate a tourism quota.
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): With the flight time announced at a mercifully short 45 minutes, the grumpy crew sprang into action distributing preordered meals
Gabriel.... you really must stop going to these Zoo's! The photos of these sad animals are what stays in my mind after the report!
Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 1): Whilst it%u2019s hard to say that these jobs are suitable for people to do, banning these rickshaws will simply make more people destitute.
Is this lifted from your LP?! Haha. Yes, I took one too. Except, the dude was a chancer, and a huge argument ensued after payment.
Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 1): However, even the Americans aren%u2019t as continuously as pointlessly as anal as the Indians when it comes to applying bizarre and archaic rules. A few touches of common sense could go a long way.
Absolutely. They are paying the price of this anyway with their slugging growth in the shadow of Eastern Asia, and business wary of Indian government red-tape and taxes.
Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 1): Why are the staff so insistent that you don%u2019t take photos? I mean any spy worth their salt would have something a bit more high tech to record their flight than a SLR, right?
In CCU, I was apprehended by airport management when I lost my passport to see' If I had been sent by Pakistan to test our security systems'. Plainly a little paranoid.
dc9northwest From Romania, joined Feb 2007, 1735 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5986 times:
Hi there Gabriel!
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): Hmm, thanks for not confiscating it, but really, is a half drunk bottle of vodka in a suitcase the biggest hazard you can find?
You don't honestly think security is looking for big threats, right? I think they're doing something, finding a borderline-but-not-really-forbidden item so they can have the appearance of doing their jobs well but without doing too much work. So, bottle of vodka, or AAA batteries, are their targets. I don't mean Indian security officers, but in general... That's the feeling I got lately.
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): I was quite surprised, and secretly delighted, that we pulled up next to VT-SPU, a Boeing 737-900. Having managed to not fly one of these for many years, I’d managed to log two in just 3 days (the other being the Lion Air example). Wonderful. This also explains my very high seat number.
Yes, it seems the 739s are coming your way in droves. Not the best seat in the house for you, obviously...
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): Being a Western deviant, the first thing I did was take a photo upon disembarkation (from the safety of the bus).
Yes, Western deviant indeed. Who takes pictures of planes at military airports, anyway?
Yes, very dangerous. It might sit there in your bag for the whole time.
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): Tarmac. The guy in the aisle seemed to take offence at my photo and told me not to take photos
I dislike people who get offended... Don't think I should impose my morality on anyone. Or bizarre archaic rules.
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): Flying in India is a right hassle, much akin to travelling in the USA. However, even the Americans aren’t as continuously as pointlessly as anal as the Indians when it comes to applying bizarre and archaic rules. A few touches of common sense could go a long way. How about using some of that tensa-rope stored in the corner to make a proper area for people to queue, rather than make with own zigzaggy queues all over the place? Why not spend a few hundred pounds of a proper set of FIDS rather than those virtually useless flip boards? Why are the staff so insistent that you don’t take photos? I mean any spy worth their salt would have something a bit more high tech to record their flight than a SLR, right?
Well, you kind of just summarized what I think. Let's be serious, it's a much bigger hassle in India than in the USA. I may live in Chicago but that doesn't mean I see everything with stars and striped tinted glasses. That said, it's definitely worse in India, with all the regulations...
The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6082 posts, RR: 56 Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5917 times:
Hi Gabriel !
Thanks for another interesting installment in this Asia series.
Darjeeling looks great and some interesting flights there as well. I hope to go to DEL, Agra and BOM in September so will get my first visit India experience then.
Looking forward to the next part.
The777Man
Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....GA, T5, CI and LX 777s
Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 16): Gabriel.... you really must stop going to these Zoo's! The photos of these sad animals are what stays in my mind after the report!
THat wasn't too horrible of a zoo. Check out Kunming zoo - now that is awful. And Qiqihaer Zoo. There was a dead camel in a cage there.
Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 16): Is this lifted from your LP?! Haha. Yes, I took one too. Except, the dude was a chancer, and a huge argument ensued after payment.
Yes, striaght from the LP, but it does male sense!
Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 16): In CCU, I was apprehended by airport management when I lost my passport to see' If I had been sent by Pakistan to test our security systems'. Plainly a little paranoid.
Haha
Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 17): You don't honestly think security is looking for big threats, right? I think they're doing something, finding a borderline-but-not-really-forbidden item so they can have the appearance of doing their jobs well but without doing too much work. So, bottle of vodka, or AAA batteries, are their targets. I don't mean Indian security officers, but in general... That's the feeling I got lately.
Quoting The777Man (Reply 18): Thanks for another interesting installment in this Asia series.
Glad you liked it
Quoting The777Man (Reply 18): Darjeeling looks great and some interesting flights there as well. I hope to go to DEL, Agra and BOM in September so will get my first visit India experience then.
signol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 2948 posts, RR: 7 Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5634 times:
Excellent Gabriel, thanks!
I've never visited India, I'd like to at some point - it looks fascinating. The Darjeeling train too looks quaint - along with the Shimla and Ooty ones, there was a BBC4 documentary about them.
True about the random rules for the airports. Crazy.
FlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1705 posts, RR: 41 Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5497 times:
Hi Gab,
Another stunning installment. I think you keep exceeding yourself with every new report you put up. This is hands down my favorite one of this Asian series - very nicely conveys the sights, sounds and smells of the chaos also known as India. Great idea to follow the colonial habits and head up the mountains, Darjeeling looks much more civilized and tranquil than Kolkata.
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): When I put “I’m off to Darjeeling” as my Facebook status, an old colleague of mine messaged me asking what dates I’d be there. As it turned out, our stays coincided….a second fortuitous turn of events. He’s a native Darjellinger, so perfect as a guide.
Nice coincidence and very fortunate for you!
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): My initial plan was to take the overnight “Darjeeling Mail” train up to New Jalpaiguri station,
Is this the same train that was featured in that funny movie "Darjeeling Express"?
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): There wasn’t a lot of choice on the route….Spicejet or Jet Konnect (formerly Jet Lite), two Indian no-frills carriers. Both bookings were made on the rather creaky “Make My Trip” website. My CCU-IXB flight would be with Spicejet, and the return on Jet Konnect.
Still cool that you managed to log both carriers operating on the route.
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): However, as it was my first time, they would just “seal up the bottle for me”. Hmm, thanks for not confiscating it, but really, is a half drunk bottle of vodka in a suitcase the biggest hazard you can find?
What? That sounds a very big load of bollocks to me. You should've downed it at one gulp in front of him (and then denied boarding due to excessive drunkenness I'm sure ).
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): At security my cabin bags were both given a tag, and stamped with the date. It seems these are also incredibly important for travel in India, and vital to flight safety.
Come on! You are starting to sound like a certain somebody who is absolutely obsessed over lounges. Sure, there might not be a lounge for you but you can do more than that. I'm sure the kiosk would've sold you a nice lukewarm G&T or Kingfisher for not much money!
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): Having managed to not fly one of these for many years, I’d managed to log two in just 3 days (the other being the Lion Air example). Wonderful. This also explains my very high seat number.
Congratulations, you are on a winning streak here!
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): Unfortunately a very grumpy FA came stomping down the aisle, and said that I couldn’t have anything in there for take off or landing.
Ugh. That crew sounds very bad. I hate how the crew seemingly makes up these rules as they go - sometimes you can keep stuff on the seat on a bulkhead or exit row, sometimes not even on the pockets etc.
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): With the flight time announced at a mercifully short 45 minutes, the grumpy crew sprang into action distributing preordered meals
Hmm, preordered hot meals on such a short flight? Quite impressive actually. And the one on that picture looks very substantial. But I can't really figure out why someone would order one for a short flight like this...
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): There was an announcement informing everyone that this was a military airport, and photography was forbidden.
So how's that different to Kolkata or the rest of India then?
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): From my hotel window. I was lucky to see the mountains…they were only visible for a few hours during my 3 days through the fug
Wow, looks nice. And a bit exotic at the same time.
Did it taste at all like the "Finlandized" version at my local joint?
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): An easier proposition is either a joy ride (book a few days in advance) or a seat on the normal train just only going a few stops (my choice).
Very nice idea. Looks like an interesting ride and that train is seriously cute!
Hah, you know that 99% of these rules are made up on the spot?
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): After a lot of digging around, the mystery object causing the lady so much distress was found….an AAA battery floating around on the bottom of my bag.
That reminds me of one time the security staff at CDG went all berserk over a quad pack of AA batteries in my carry on bag. I think it took then ten minutes to hunt the little buggers down and figure out if I could take those onboard or not...
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): The F cabin on the 77W – I’ll be on one of these operated by TG in a few weeks
A bit different than your current surroundings then?
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): This was the last photo I got before I was again reminded by the angry guy on the aisle not to take photos.
What the heck does he have to do with it? The cabin crew is one thing, but a regular passenger? Shees, reminds me of some of the reports about Spanish flights were a woman was shouting "Camera" loudly when the reported pulled his out... with disastrous results of course.
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): Unlike on Spicejet, Jet Konnect offer free water – it was a bit hard to get the crew’s attention, however. This crew were about as bad tempered and suited to front line customer contact as Spicejet.
Hmm, I guess they pick the good ones to serve the international routes, leaving the crap ones doing these low cost domestic runs. It's not like India has a lot of people in the workforce to pick... oh well, sorry... err...
Hmm, someone I once talked with said that you can spot Calcutta very easily from up in the air as the whole place is covered in sickly yellowish green pollution cloud. Your approach pictures certainly seem to hint at this - did you notice anything or is it just your camera getting funky with you?
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): Indeed, the Bodhi Tree is lovely – a Buddhist retreat in the middle of the city (albeit in the far south, so a bit far from the action).
Looks nice! The Buddhists are just about the only religious zealots I don't have a problem with as they don't try to convert other people to their cause, thanks to the "live and let live" teachings of the Buddha.
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): I then take part in a quintessentially Calcutta activity, taking a ride on a 100% man powered rickshaw.
Ahh, definitely a once in a lifetime experience. Reminds me a bit of my horse drawn cart ride at Malta, although that definitely wasn't such a bargain!
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): If it’s legal, the children can work in registered factories etc. If it’s made illegal, the children will still have to work, just in unlicensed factories , and without any protection….
Well I agree 100% with you there, mate. I once had a very long and pointless (drunken) argument with somebody exactly over the same issue. She was claiming that child labor is bad, period, and should be outlawed anywhere. My point was the same as yours - sure it is bad but outlawing it makes it only worse. That was very frustrating as neither party would budge (well I never budge but of course expected her to... ).
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): So, what did I think? Flying in India is a right hassle, much akin to travelling in the USA. However, even the Americans aren’t as continuously as pointlessly as anal as the Indians when it comes to applying bizarre and archaic rules.
Hmm, interesting that you compared it to America as in my opinion it is just the opposite. But yeah, I guess the frustratiouness (hmm, I think I just made up a word) factor is around the same, but for very different reasons. Ok, the TSA in the USA can be a pain in the butt but apart from that it is not so bad. But yeah, I cannot really figure out what why does it have to be this complicated in India - most of these "rules" don't seem to serve any purpose at all.
Quoting signol (Reply 20): I've never visited India, I'd like to at some point - it looks fascinating. The Darjeeling train too looks quaint - along with the Shimla and Ooty ones, there was a BBC4 documentary about them.
it was very interesting India
Quoting signol (Reply 20): True about the random rules for the airports. Crazy.
And pointless
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 21): Another stunning installment. I think you keep exceeding yourself with every new report you put up. This is hands down my favorite one of this Asian series - very nicely conveys the sights, sounds and smells of the chaos also known as India
Thanks Petteri, very nice of you to say!
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 21): Great idea to follow the colonial habits and head up the mountains, Darjeeling looks much more civilized and tranquil than Kolkata.
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 21): Is this the same train that was featured in that funny movie "Darjeeling Express"?
No idea, sorry
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 21): Come on! You are starting to sound like a certain somebody who is absolutely obsessed over lounges. Sure, there might not be a lounge for you but you can do more than that. I'm sure the kiosk would've sold you a nice lukewarm G&T or Kingfisher for not much money!
ha, maybe I could have.
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 21): Congratulations, you are on a winning streak here!
I think I've done the last of the 739s now
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 21): Hmm, preordered hot meals on such a short flight? Quite impressive actually. And the one on that picture looks very substantial. But I can't really figure out why someone would order one for a short flight like this...
Well it was lunchtime, so I guess people were hungry
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 21): So how's that different to Kolkata or the rest of India then?
Photography is offically allowed in civilian airports now, people just don't know it
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 21): Did it taste at all like the "Finlandized" version at my local joint?
Similar.....
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 21): Very nice idea. Looks like an interesting ride and that train is seriously cute!
And seriously noisy!
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 21): A bit different than your current surroundings then?
Hopefully
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 21): Hmm, I guess they pick the good ones to serve the international routes, leaving the crap ones doing these low cost domestic runs. It's not like India has a lot of people in the workforce to pick... oh well, sorry... err...
Ha, I guess they did
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 21): Hmm, someone I once talked with said that you can spot Calcutta very easily from up in the air as the whole place is covered in sickly yellowish green pollution cloud. Your approach pictures certainly seem to hint at this - did you notice anything or is it just your camera getting funky with you?
TBH, I think the entire subcopntinent up the the edge of the Hilmalays is covered in smog. Not nice
deltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1059 posts, RR: 9 Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5129 times:
Hi Gabriel!
Very interesting to read about your domestic flights in India!
Too bad about being disappointed by Jet Konnect.
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): Both bookings were made on the rather creaky “Make My Trip” website. My CCU-IXB flight would be with Spicejet, and the return on Jet Konnect.
Nice to try both operators on the route!
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): From my hotel window. I was lucky to see the mountains…they were only visible for a few hours during my 3 days through the fug
FLIEGER67 From Georgia, joined Sep 2003, 4387 posts, RR: 57 Reply 25, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4641 times:
Hi, Gabriel,
now this is a very well done set of pictures. Never been to India myself and especially that Darjeeling place looks like really interesting when I see all the tea bags here from Darjeeling!.
Looking forward to the next episode.
gabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 2512 posts, RR: 13 Reply 26, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4541 times:
Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 25):
now this is a very well done set of pictures
Thanks, I try!
Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 25): Never been to India myself and especially that Darjeeling place looks like really interesting when I see all the tea bags here from Darjeeling!.
Everyone has to go to India at least once - it's a different world!
gabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 2512 posts, RR: 13 Reply 28, posted (1 year 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 4292 times:
Quoting roberts87 (Reply 27): Fascinating report, too! Flying in India must be quite an interesting experience and Darjeeling looks pretty interesting!
Glad you liked the report Robert! Flying is certainly different from Europe. Darjeeling was also interesting!
akhmad From Netherlands, joined Sep 2005, 2332 posts, RR: 53 Reply 29, posted (1 year 1 month 15 hours ago) and read 4252 times:
Namasté Gabriel,
What a romantic trip to Darjeeling. How lovely!
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): As I was still rather cautious about photography in Indian Airports, I took most of this reports photos with my phone on the sly.
Good idea. But it should be okay to use a proper camera. CCU is not a military airport.
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): but really, is a half drunk bottle of vodka in a suitcase the biggest hazard you can find?
If you spill it, you can get everything soaked and less to drink yourself.
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): At security my cabin bags were both given a tag, and stamped with the date.
Yes, a tag and a stamp are compulsory.
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): Row 27 was unquestionably the worst row of the plane, with narrow seats, normal legroom, no view, and having the FA sat next to you enforcing the rules.
You should forward this to SeatGuru. Nothing else is mentioned as drawback than limited recline.
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter): Why are the staff so insistent that you don’t take photos? I mean any spy worth their salt would have something a bit more high tech to record their flight than a SLR, right?
The staff members are just unaware of the fact that it is completely legal to take photos at any commercial airport. You just have to tell them about it and they will let you in peace.
gabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 2512 posts, RR: 13 Reply 32, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3869 times:
Quoting sfflyer123 (Reply 31): What an amazing report! This was just truly interesting. Thank you so much for posting this. I really need to get to India now, for sure!
Thanks, glad you liked it! Definately book a trip to India!