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Air Europa, KLM & Renfe: From Zurich To Cordoba  
User currently offlineKnightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1756 posts, RR: 18
Posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9723 times:

Preamble
This is the first of a two part trip report.

I'm travelling again. This time it's for leisure and I've decided to make the best of the long weekend ahead of the 1. May, which is a public holiday in Switzerland to celebrate the proletariat. Viva la revolucion!

But where to go?

For quite a while I've been entertaining the thought of taking the Korean Air flight from Madrid to Amsterdam. While still deliberating where to go for the long weekend it emerges that Korean Air will be ending its Madrid to Amsterdam service in favour of serving both destinations with separate direct flights from Seoul. Perhaps this is something they usually do for the summer season. In any case, the decision is taken from me it seems and I book myself to fly on 1 May 2012 with Korean Air, the last day of operation of the service.

And how do I get to Madrid?

Feeling an urgent compulsion to try out a new airline, I do a bit of exploring and experimenting on the net and eventually settle for a flight with KLM from Zurich to Amsterdam and from there with Air Europa to Madrid. This report is about the first part of the trip and covers the journey from Zurich via Amsterdam to Madrid. And, following the surprisingly positive feedback on my trip to Maastricht, which also featured a umber of trains, I am also including my journey on the AVE train from Madrid to Cordoba?

Cordoba? I hear you asking. Yes, Cordoba! Let me explain.

As I'm heading for Spain, I want to do something I've been meaning to do ever since I was at university studying Arabic: I will visit the city of Cordoba, which at one time was the seat of government of the Ummayyad Caliphate of Cordoba in Al-Andalus.

Date: Friday, 27. April 2012
From: ZRH
To: AMS
Carrier: KLM
Vessel: Boeing B737-700
Class: Economy
Seat: 10B, middlecseat, later move to 11A, window

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Things are quiet today in the office. It looks like Other have the same idea and have already left. At 15:30 I call it a day, pack my thing and leave the office for the airport. I catch the train at 15:55 and by 16:10 my train pulls into the station at Zurich Airport. My flight is not until 19:30 so I head for the observation deck, which I still have not visited since the new dock opened last December. The entrance fee is ChF5.- and there are lockers to but your bags etc. On my way to the deck I was the provisional check-in counters in Terminal B. They are being used while the check-in hall proper is refurbished and modernised.

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It has turned warm and sunny again here, after three weeks solid of the most god awful weather. If feels nice to have the sun warm my bare arms again. As soon as I step outside on to the terrace, I feel like I've just gone through a time warp and I realise just how much I have missed being out here. I think of the many hours I spent, watching planes from around the world coming and going!

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The new dock is very nice, I must say. There are these screens in front of every airbridge, providing information on the aircraft parked at that particular gate. There is also a huge playground, which is much frequented and evidently very popular with the kids. And there are the aircraft themselves of course, which you can get quite close to on the deck.

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And here are some of the views I had.
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I spend quite some time outside. Then at around 18:00 I head inside to collect my things and pass through security. From there I head to the lounge for a drink before my flight.

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There really is not very much to say about the KLM flight. It's another solid performance. Yes, I know I'm biased. I just really like KLM. I have the middle seat on the emergency exit. Once boarding is completed though, I notice that the row behind me only has a female subject sitting on the aisle reading a book, and evidently, and quite unimaginable for me, completely uninterested in looking out the window. So I collect my things and move one row back to claim the window. The middle seat stays empty, so I have just as much space as on the exit row.

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There probably really is no real point in comparing the B737-700 to the Embraer 190, but I find myself doing it just the same because it is the aircraft type I travel with most on KLM. For sure the Embraer is a nifty little plane, and the 2 + 2 configuration is quite convenient for the passenger in terms of comfort. But somehow, sitting here and glancing out at the wing of the B737 I must confess that I find the larger size of the Boeing far more appealing. The whole thing just seems more solid and, well...big.

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We arrive in Amsterdam a few minutes ahead of schedule. I pass through customs and make a beeline for the CitizenM at the airport, where I will spend the night before my onward journey to Madrid on Air Europa.

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One last shot before I deplane.
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Okay maybe a second...
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User currently offlineKnightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1756 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9701 times:

Date: Saturday, 28. April 2012
From: AMS
To: MAD
CarrierAir Europa
Vessel: Embraer 195
Class: Economy, window
Seat: 4A, them 3F, then back to 4A




On the Saturday I awake to find the good weather has not yet reached The Netherlands. It's cold and it looks like it's raining cats and dogs outside. I check out of the hotel to find it is not only wet but also quite cold.

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I have already printed my boarding pass in the office. So I head straight through the fast track at security and make my way to the KLM lounge, one of my favourites. There are quite a few people when I arrive but even so the staff make sure there is plenty of everything to eat and drink. The food options are quite good, and include some lovely bread pudding type thing with loads of vanilla sauce to drown it in. It's still a bit early for me for that kind of food. So I stick with the bread, cheese and jam.

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When I arrive at the gate, boarding is already in full swing. As I pass the gate the attendant informs me that I have been moved from my original seat on 4A to 3F. Not quite sure what to make of all this, I head down the airbridge and enter the aircraft. I am greeted at the door by a middle aged male flight attendant. He seems friendly and speaks excellent English, without the slightest hint of an accent, which is quite unusual for a Spaniard. Row three is the last row of Business Class before the curtain separating Business from Economy. So it seems I have been upgraded by the Flying Blue Platinum fairy. For the time being at least. The attendant comes round offering magazines and newspapers and asks me what I would like to drink. I ask and receive still water in a plastic cup. There are still 12 passengers missing and we are two minutes away from our scheduled departure time.

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Well hello...

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Seating is somewhat tight, even in Business.
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Ten minutes later, eight passengers have arrived and four have been offloaded. That's when the Air Europa rep at Schiphol boards the plane to tell me that my seat number has changed and that I will now be on 4A, my original seat.

This I have to say I find highly irregular. It's not so much about the Business Class experience. To be honest, from the little I saw I suspect I may not have missed much. But to upgrade a passenger and then downgrade them again?

But anyway, I'm not really too bothered. So I collect my things and head back to sit with the plebs. After all, it is the 1. May soon, we're all equal bla bla...

What really pisses me off though, is that the seats are not aligned with the windows. And row 4 is thus windowless. So no views for me for you of the outside. I'm not a contortionist.

The doors are closed and we wait. And then we wait some more. And then the pilot informes us of a few slot issues at Schiphol due to the shitty weather. Eventually we push back, some 30 minutes late. From what little I can see outside and ahead of us, we're stalking an Air Malta A320 also heading for the Polderbahn. In order to reach the Polderbahn, aircraft have to cross a parallel runway which lies much closer to the apron area. As this runway is in use for landings today, we have to taxi all the way down and then go around the end of the runway, and then back track on the other side of it until we can join the direct taxiway to the Polderbahn. By the time we line up we are running 65 minutes behind schedule as there's quite a queue.

The roll is sluggish and long. The poor little Embraer is seemingly struggling to get airborne, but eventually manages. And as soon as we leave we encounter some serious chop. And it last for quite a while. But eventually the turbulence subsides, we reach calmer layers of air and the buy on board service begins.

I order a vegetarian club sandwich with a standard size can of diet coke and a packet of amazingly crunchy chips. It even says so on the packet, and indeed they are very crunchy. The bill comes to nine Euros in total, which isn't bad I think.

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We arrive in Madrid with an even greater delay then when we left Amsterdam. As I disembark the time is 15:15, 90 minutes delay. If everything would have gone according to plan, I would have had three hours to make my connection by train from Madrid's Atocha railway station to Cordoba. I have no only 75 minutes. So I deplane straight away and head for the Metro. There is a direct train from the airport to Atocha, but that only runs from the new Terminal 4, not from Terminal 1 where I arrived.

But the journey proves to be an easy enough one. I take the Metro to Nuevos Ministerios and from there change onto a suburban train that gets me to Atocha in no time. I even have time for one of those lovely baguette sandwiches with a tortilla and grilled green peppers in it!

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User currently offlineKnightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1756 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9670 times:

Date: Friday, 27. April 2012
From: Madrid
To: Cordoba
Carrier: Renfe
Vehicle: AVE Highspeed train
Class: Club Class
Seat: 7C, aisle


The Spanish railways are simply amazing. Really. I wish we had trains like that in Switzerland. They're incredibly fast, reliable, very clean and stylish and the service is absolutely outstanding. What's more, it is obvious the trains are trying to compete with the planes. And if you ask me, right now they have the upper hand in Spain.

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At Atocha station there is something like a transit area. To access it you have to have a valid ticket and you have to put your luggage through the x-ray machine. You are then inside the departure lounge. The platforms are one floor up from the tracks. To access them you have to wait for your train to start boarding, at which time your ticket is scanned at a counter that looks very much like an airport gate. And then from there you descend via escalator to your train, where your attendant is already expecting you.

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Service is simply amazing. We start with a welcome drink served in a real glass and with dried fruit and nuts to go along with that.

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Once we leave the station we receive a hot towel to refresh us, followed by the distribution of the menus. And then comes the meal. It is served in real crockery and with real metal cutlery. As it is the afternoon, we are served an open canape sandwich, Russian Salad with peppers, and two small and very tasty cakes. With that I have a diet coke. I comment on the funky design and ask the attendant if it's okay for me to take the empty bottle with me. He replies that yes it is and even gives me an extra bottle to have a nice, unopened one to keep. How nice is that. After the meal comes the coffee and Lindor chocolate ball, which I've demolished by the time I remember to take a picture of it. Yes, I really am impressed! Next stop: Cordoba.

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User currently offlinereifel From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 1328 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9648 times:

Thanks for posting so far, I'm looking forward to the UX and especially KE flight. So you spent the night in AMS? Is that place CitizenM a hotel? I was also wondering if KL could give you your onward boarding pass on UX, since I could imagine their systems are not really compatible, even though they are in the same alliance...

User currently offlineKnightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1756 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9623 times:

Cordoba
On my first evening in Cordoba I have a ticket to visit the cathedral of the city. The doors open at 22:30 and the guided tour takes a bit more than an hour. The tour is similar to the Sound and Light Show they have in the evenings at the Giza Pyramids in Cairo.

If ever you have the good fortune to visit Cordoba, I can only recommend the night tour. First of all because there are far less people there by night, and secondly, more importantly, because the atmosphere is simply magical. The cathedral was originally built as a mosque and repeatedly expanded during the reign of the Ummayyad Caliphate of Al-Andalus. Later, when the Christians had reconquered the Iberian Peninsula, the mosque was converted into a cathedral. And what a mess they made of it. Even so, it is a fascinating place to visit, it is unique and very likely the only place on the planet where you are likely every to see statues of those plump little Christian angels alongside traces of Islamic architects at its very finest, with beautiful inscriptions written in Arabic praising the virtues of the rules who had commissioned the construction of some part or other of the original mosque.

Unfortunately photography is not permitted so the only pictures I have to share with you are from the outside.

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On the second day I head out of town to Madinat Az-Zahra, the former residence of Caliph Abd Ar-Rahman III. The Madina was essentially a city inhabited by the people who worked, in some form or other, at the court and in the government of the mighty Caliph. Only ruins remain today of this splendid city.

Have I already mentioned just how shitty the weather was in Cordoba during my stay? Just in case I haven't, let me tell you it was something nasty! There is little or no shelter from the elements among the ruins of the Madina. Just as I start to make my way back to the shuttle that takes passengers from the site back down the hill to the museum, there is a torrential outburst of rain! It must have been this kind of down poor that made Noah build his arch, and I don't blame him!

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I will leave you here. The second part of this report will be about my return to Basel. It features a Korean Air Boeing 777, another train and a little Fokker. But more of that later. I will post it in a separate report.


User currently offlinereifel From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 1328 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9609 times:

Okay, I realized I was faster than you posting the second part  

Sorry about your UX experience. It's strange to upgrade and then downgrade. While it's probably legit, it wouldn't have done any harm to just leave you seated where you have been.

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Thread starter):

The Spanish railways are simply amazing. Really. I wish we had trains like that in Switzerland. They're incredibly fast, reliable, very clean and stylish and the service is absolutely outstanding.

Yes, I realized this on Sunday in BCN Sants Station. Long distance trains have security checks.
However I travelled Regional train to Girona (train continued to Cerbere, France) and honestly the train was bad. It must have had 20 years and inside the seats where just hard and uncomfortable. And it wasn't very fast, either, although one would expect that travelling from BCN to Girona is rather a good developped track. But it was cheap and on time, so I wouldn't complain.


User currently offlineWidebodyroga From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 613 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9225 times:

A very cool report KoM! The photos of Cordoba are just amazing. What a unique place it is indeed.

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Thread starter):
Cordoba? I hear you asking. Yes, Cordoba! Let me explain.

As I'm heading for Spain, I want to do something I've been meaning to do ever since I was at university studying Arabic: I will visit the city of Cordoba, which at one time was the seat of government of the Ummayyad Caliphate of Cordoba in Al-Andalus.

Cordoba has such a long and rich history. Definitely a hidden gem in the grand scheme of things.

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 2):
The Spanish railways are simply amazing. Really. I wish we had trains like that in Switzerland. They're incredibly fast, reliable, very clean and stylish and the service is absolutely outstanding. What's more, it is obvious the trains are trying to compete with the planes. And if you ask me, right now they have the upper hand in Spain.

I'm (pleasantly) surprised to hear that. Good for them    . Now it's time to fix their aviation industry...

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 4):
I will leave you here. The second part of this report will be about my return to Basel. It features a Korean Air Boeing 777, another train and a little Fokker. But more of that later. I will post it in a separate report.

Wow, I'm intrigued. Can't wait for the next part then.

Thanks,

WBodyroga



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User currently offlineZaphodB From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8900 times:

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 2):
I wish we had trains like that in Switzerland

Gets my vote for most unexpected quote of the year  

I like travelling on RENFE but the non-AVE network is pretty slow and far less reliable than SBB, RhB etc. etc. in my experience. Some of the older Talgos are pretty uncomfortable even in Preferente. Plus, the view out of the window doesn't compare although I guess Switzerland is trying to level the playing field by building boring base tunnels everywhere thereby skipping some of the best bits (South ramp of the Lotschberg and North ramp of the Gotthard spring to mind).


User currently offlineSultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1659 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8752 times:
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Hello William,

Very good report. I see you took advantage of May 1st being a holiday to enjoy some time up in the air. I exactly did the same thing, report to follow one of these.
How cool to have yourself booked on the ‘out’augural of the Korean Air flight between AMS-MAD. I always have found this one quite expensive, but I guess the experience will justify the paid amount   Nice solid performance by KLM and and abysmal performance, as expected, by Air Europa. I really can’t say anything positive on that carrier...

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Thread starter):
In any case, the decision is taken from me it seems and I book myself to fly on 1 May 2012 with Korean Air, the last day of operation of the service.

Very good decision, I’m curious to the follow up of this report!

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Thread starter):
and from there with Air Europa to Madrid.

William, where was your mind when you decided to book this one   You better took the KLM flight to MAD?

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Thread starter):
I think of the many hours I spent, watching planes from around the world coming and going!

I was there as well some week ago, albeit I did not enter. Next time I really should!

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Thread starter):
There are these screens in front of every airbridge

That’s a great idea and for sure appreciated by us plane geeks  

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Thread starter):
The whole thing just seems more solid and, well...big.

Yeah - and the B737-700 is one of the smallest B’s around.

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Thread starter):
There are still 12 passengers missing and we are two minutes away from our scheduled departure time.

That’s a lot missing on such short notice?

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Thread starter):
Seating is somewhat tight, even in Business.

Say that again, very bad.

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Thread starter):
But to upgrade a passenger and then downgrade them again?

I find that absolutely inacceptable. What if you really paid for business class, would they’ve done the same you think?

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Thread starter):
So no views for me for you of the outside.

That’s even worse than being downgraded again 

Sultanils



In thrust we trust.
User currently offlineKnightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1756 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8026 times:

Hi Reifel

Quoting reifel (Reply 3):
So you spent the night in AMS? Is that place CitizenM a hotel?

Yes, the CitizenM is a hotel. There's one at the airport and another one in Amsterdam Zuid, which is quite close to the city. The rooms are usually quite cheap and the design of the hotel is rather neat.

Quoting reifel (Reply 3):
I was also wondering if KL could give you your onward boarding pass on UX, since I could imagine their systems are not really compatible, even though they are in the same alliance...

I suspect they probably could. I inserted my Flying Blue number in the Air Europa PNR and it showed up when I logged in to my Flying Blue account.

Quoting reifel (Reply 5):
Sorry about your UX experience. It's strange to upgrade and then downgrade. While it's probably legit, it wouldn't have done any harm to just leave you seated where you have been.

Actually, I've been thinking about that too. And at the end of the day I think yes, it would have harmed them. If they'd kept me in Business I would not have spent any money on inflight catering.

Quoting reifel (Reply 5):
Yes, I realized this on Sunday in BCN Sants Station. Long distance trains have security checks.
However I travelled Regional train to Girona (train continued to Cerbere, France) and honestly the train was bad. It must have had 20 years and inside the seats where just hard and uncomfortable. And it wasn't very fast, either, although one would expect that travelling from BCN to Girona is rather a good developped track. But it was cheap and on time, so I wouldn't complain.

That's what I've heard as well, the 'normal' routes must be quite bad.

Hi Widebodyroga

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 6):
A very cool report KoM! The photos of Cordoba are just amazing. What a unique place it is indeed.

Thanks! Cordoba is indeed a brilliant place. I think the only place that can be compared to the mosque/church really must be the Hagia Sophia in Istanbul.

Hi ZaphodB

Quoting ZaphodB (Reply 7):
Gets my vote for most unexpected quote of the year

Well okay, point taken. I guess I'm a bit blaze with the SBB seeing as I use them every day.

Quoting ZaphodB (Reply 7):
Plus, the view out of the window doesn't compare although I guess Switzerland is trying to level the playing field by building boring base tunnels everywhere thereby skipping some of the best bits

The view was flatter, let's put it that way. But I'm sure it must look cool in summer when everything is all dry.

Hi Nils

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 8):
How cool to have yourself booked on the ‘out’augural of the Korean Air flight between AMS-MAD

Yeah I thought that was a neat idea too!

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 8):
I always have found this one quite expensive, but I guess the experience will justify the paid amount

At least the Air Europa flight was cheap.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 8):
Nice solid performance by KLM and and abysmal performance, as expected, by Air Europa. I really can’t say anything positive on that carrier...

Probably it depends what you compare Air Europa with. They're certainly no KLM for sure. But they probably are a vast improvement over Iberia.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 8):
William, where was your mind when you decided to book this one You better took the KLM flight to MAD?

A moment of mental aberration that comes with age...

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 8):
That’s a lot missing on such short notice?

Yeah I found that rather strange. So did the crew. When the ground agent informed them they were obviously under the impression we were ready to go!

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 8):
That’s even worse than being downgraded again

Nils, great minds think alike! That's what I thought as well. Who cares about Business Class? I want my window! But such is life.

Thanks for posting gents!


User currently offlineflightsimboy From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1235 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 7746 times:
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Quoting Knightsofmalta (Thread starter):
For quite a while I've been entertaining the thought of taking the Korean Air flight from Madrid to Amsterdam. While still deliberating where to go for the long weekend it emerges that Korean Air will be ending its Madrid to Amsterdam service in favour of serving both destinations with separate direct flights from Seoul. Perhaps this is something they usually do for the summer season. In any case, the decision is taken from me it seems and I book myself to fly on 1 May 2012 with Korean Air, the last day of operation of the service.

I should have read this part 1 before I read part 2. I see now that you were quite aware you were flying on the last flight on the MAD-AMS-MAD sector on Korean Airlines.

Okay going to read the rest of this nice report  


User currently offlineLXM83 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 610 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7501 times:

Hello Knightsofmalta

Nice report. UX indeed is not convincing. I hope that at least the price was right.

Now onto the 2nd part!
Cheers, LXM83


User currently offlineKnightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1756 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7060 times:

Hi flightsimboy

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 10):
I should have read this part 1 before I read part 2. I see now that you were quite aware you were flying on the last flight on the MAD-AMS-MAD sector on Korean Airlines.

Okay going to read the rest of this nice report

No worries, glad you like the report.

Hi LXM83

Quoting LXM83 (Reply 11):
UX indeed is not convincing. I hope that at least the price was right.

No, they're definitely nothing to write home about for sure! Even so, I still think they're better than Iberia. As for the ticket price, interestingly enough I just checked on the e-ticket confirmation, only to find that the price is not on it, or rather it's marked as some kind of net fare, even though I booked through the Air Europa website.

Thanks for posting!

Cheers,
William


User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1710 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6958 times:

Hey William, nice report!

Seems like you had some decent flights down to Spain. Your KLM flight looked quite average, a bit of a shame though they've cut down on the service lately. The train ride in spain looked absolutely fantastic, service looked way better than what we are served on the X2000 trains in Sweden (that I have boycotted now for very obvious reasons. Not a big train fan)

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Thread starter):
To be honest, from the little I saw I suspect I may not have missed much. But to upgrade a passenger and then downgrade them again?

Now that's really poor service from the airline. If they upgrade you, and realize there are still open seats they really shouldn't downgrade you. Then again suppose that's to expect from spanish airlines these days since they're really the industry worst.

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Thread starter):
To access them you have to wait for your train to start boarding, at which time your ticket is scanned at a counter that looks very much like an airport gate.

Sounds very similar to the high-speed trains they had in China, although I don't see point for all the procedures. Really takes out the convenience factor in rail travel.

"Wheels Up!"
//Jonas



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User currently offlineKnightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1756 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6788 times:

Hi Jonas

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 13):
The train ride in spain looked absolutely fantastic, service looked way better than what we are served on the X2000 trains in Sweden

Indeed, I must say I was quite impressed. I knew they serve you at your seat. But from my experience on the Thalys, I wasn't expecting anything much!

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 13):
Now that's really poor service from the airline. If they upgrade you, and realize there are still open seats they really shouldn't downgrade you. Then again suppose that's to expect from spanish airlines these days since they're really the industry worst.

Yes, there's not much good news coming out of the Spanish aviation industry these days. That's also what I find so worrying about BA joining forces with Iberia. What on earth were they thinking? BA is such a classy set up and Iberia just suck.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 13):
Sounds very similar to the high-speed trains they had in China, although I don't see point for all the procedures. Really takes out the convenience factor in rail travel.

You do have a point. In Spain the process was very quick though. They only screen the luggage, not you as a person.

Thanks for posting Jonas!

Cheers,
William


User currently offlineMSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2474 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6539 times:

Hi William

Another great trip report! Too bad to hear about the last minute downgrade.
The Renfe segment looks very cool. I did Barcalona-Montpellier in 2011 with Renfe and still had cars from 1960... still a good expercience however.

Greetings
Marc



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User currently offlineadamspotter From Netherlands, joined Feb 2011, 1118 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6336 times:
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Hi there,
very nice report with some good pictures! I like how you added the train ride and the beautiful shots of Cordoba in the report!

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Thread starter):
In any case, the decision is taken from me it seems and I book myself to fly on 1 May 2012 with Korean Air, the last day of operation of the service.

Good decision

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Thread starter):
The new dock is very nice, I must say

Must visit there soon myself

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Thread starter):
And here are some of the views I had.

Nice pictures!

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Thread starter):
I pass through customs and make a beeline for the CitizenM at the airport, where I will spend the night before my onward journey to Madrid on Air Europa

So how was the CitizenM hotel? Any good? I'm asking as I will be staying there 2 nights next week as I have 2 very early flights out of AMS that week.

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Thread starter):
At Atocha station there is something like a transit area. To access it you have to have a valid ticket and you have to put your luggage through the x-ray machine. You are then inside the departure lounge. The platforms are one floor up from the tracks. To access them you have to wait for your train to start boarding, at which time your ticket is scanned at a counter that looks very much like an airport gate. And then from there you descend via escalator to your train, where your attendant is already expecting you.

Quite an interesting procedure

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Thread starter):
Once we leave the station we receive a hot towel to refresh us, followed by the distribution of the menus. And then comes the meal. It is served in real crockery and with real metal cutlery. As it is the afternoon, we are served an open canape sandwich, Russian Salad with peppers, and two small and very tasty cakes. With that I have a diet coke. I comment on the funky design and ask the attendant if it's okay for me to take the empty bottle with me. He replies that yes it is and even gives me an extra bottle to have a nice, unopened one to keep. How nice is that. After the meal comes the coffee and Lindor chocolate ball, which I've demolished by the time I remember to take a picture of it. Yes, I really am impressed! Next stop: Cordoba.

You're not the only one who is impresed, very good service indeed!

I saw part 2 is also online, hope to read it soon!

cheers,
adamspotter // Brendan


User currently offlineKnightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1756 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6147 times:

Hi Brandan

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 16):
very nice report with some good pictures! I like how you added the train ride and the beautiful shots of Cordoba in the report!

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it.

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 16):
Must visit there soon myself

Absolutely. I would recommend you visit in the morning as things calm down after around 14h00 and after that it's mostly narrow bodies.

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 16):
So how was the CitizenM hotel? Any good?

Yes, I think it it. The rooms are very small but always clean and the view out the window is brilliant if you're looking out on the apron.

Thanks for posting, Brendan.

Cheers,
William


User currently offlinesignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 2996 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5933 times:

Hi Knightsofmalta,

Excellent report! And nice to include some trains as well as planes, I too enjoy the mix of all transport (maybe not so much busses, but include ships!)

Was this trip booked as a one-way, as KL have huge one-way fares, or perhaps a return ZRH-AMS with a one-way Air Europa to MAD?

A pity about the upgrade / downgrade palaver, it certainly doesn't bode well, nor for the other passengers seeing the whole moving around, not a good impression. The BOB meal looks ok, though for the price I would have preferred a hot meal.

Nice train ride, the inside looks great (1st class?) but the nose of that train looks funny, like a duck's bill. I guess it's the best for aerodynamics though. Do you mind my asking, how much the train ticket was?

Thanks

signol



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User currently offlinetaichen From Spain, joined Jul 2001, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5875 times:

Nice report. I am always interested in how Spanish airlines are doing, and more often than not amazed at the poor ratings they deserve. At least they had a FA with good English skills.

My mother was born in Cordoba and I really like the city, I might be a bit biased but I think it is really worth a visit and far more interesting than touristy Seville.

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 2):
The Spanish railways are simply amazing. Really. I wish we had trains like that in Switzerland. They're incredibly fast, reliable, very clean and stylish and the service is absolutely outstanding. What's more, it is obvious the trains are trying to compete with the planes. And if you ask me, right now they have the upper hand in Spain.

Well, of course this is true for SOME trains, on SOME routes   Just come to where I live and have a look  , and hey other places are even worse. Hardware on long distance trains is generally speaking "fair" or even "good", but shedules are not (just 1 slow day train and 1 night train is not enough) ... Regional trains have good metal, at least in Galicia, but again schedules and even local coverage of many small places are POOR. As for train links between Galicia and Portugal, they are just a joke. No rant intented, but "Spanish railways are simply amazing" is just a very wide, over generous statement  


User currently offlineKnightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1756 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5747 times:

Hi Signol

Quoting signol (Reply 18):
Excellent report!

Thanks!

Quoting signol (Reply 18):
And nice to include some trains as well as planes, I too enjoy the mix of all transport (maybe not so much busses, but include ships!)

Yeah, I'm acquiring a taste for these mixed mode trip reports. And indeed, one that includes a ship would be rather cool.

Quoting signol (Reply 18):
Was this trip booked as a one-way, as KL have huge one-way fares, or perhaps a return ZRH-AMS with a one-way Air Europa to MAD?

ZRH-AMS-ZRH/BSL were booked on one ticket with KLM. AMS-MAD was a one-way. I can't remember how much the Air Europa ticket was, but it couldn't have been much.

Quoting signol (Reply 18):
A pity about the upgrade / downgrade palaver, it certainly doesn't bode well, nor for the other passengers seeing the whole moving around, not a good impression.

Good point. I did feel like a bit of a dick actually, as though I didn't know better.

Quoting signol (Reply 18):
Nice train ride, the inside looks great (1st class?) but the nose of that train looks funny, like a duck's bill. I guess it's the best for aerodynamics though.

Funny you should say that. I mentioned it to a colleague at work who is in charge of the land transport sector and he knew what I was talking about straight away. Apparently those in the know all refer to it as the duck's bill!

Quoting signol (Reply 18):
Do you mind my asking, how much the train ticket was?

Not at all. It was a special advanced booking, non-refundable ticket. If memory serves me well it was EUR64 each way.

Hi Taichen

Quoting taichen (Reply 19):
Nice report.

Thank you.

Quoting taichen (Reply 19):
I am always interested in how Spanish airlines are doing, and more often than not amazed at the poor ratings they deserve. At least they had a FA with good English skills.

Well, look at it this way. Spain has so much to offer otherwise that a few crappy airlines don't matter!

Quoting taichen (Reply 19):
My mother was born in Cordoba and I really like the city, I might be a bit biased but I think it is really worth a visit and far more interesting than touristy Seville.

Absolutely. Cordoba really is a gem. The whole city has a very nice and relaxed atmosphere. And that cathedral/mosque is simply amazing. I'd love to go back again, preferably in summer. Although I guess the heat then must be something nasty. Actually, when is the best time to visit?

Quoting taichen (Reply 19):
Well, of course this is true for SOME trains, on SOME routes Just come to where I live and have a look , and hey other places are even worse. Hardware on long distance trains is generally speaking "fair" or even "good", but shedules are not (just 1 slow day train and 1 night train is not enough) ... Regional trains have good metal, at least in Galicia, but again schedules and even local coverage of many small places are POOR. As for train links between Galicia and Portugal, they are just a joke. No rant intented, but "Spanish railways are simply amazing" is just a very wide, over generous statement

Well okay, I have been accused in the past of taking the Swiss railway system for granted and my experiences with RENFE may have been quite exceptional. But it really was just very cool!

Signol, Taichen, thanks for posting!

Cheers,
William


User currently offlinetaichen From Spain, joined Jul 2001, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5637 times:

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 20):
Absolutely. Cordoba really is a gem. The whole city has a very nice and relaxed atmosphere. And that cathedral/mosque is simply amazing. I'd love to go back again, preferably in summer. Although I guess the heat then must be something nasty. Actually, when is the best time to visit?

Well, summer can be nightmarishly enough, even for the local Cordoba-born ... I guess the best time comes around september-october, then. Winter can be harsh as well.


User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5296 times:

Hello William!

A very nice report as usual! Looks like you had a nice couple of flights, and that train journey sure seemed impressive!

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Thread starter):
In any case, the decision is taken from me it seems and I book myself to fly on 1 May 2012 with Korean Air, the last day of operation of the service.

Good idea!

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Thread starter):

Well hello...

That picture made me smile!   I really love those SK MD80's you know!

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Thread starter):
This I have to say I find highly irregular. It's not so much about the Business Class experience. To be honest, from the little I saw I suspect I may not have missed much. But to upgrade a passenger and then downgrade them again?

Very odd and badly handled indeed.

Will read the next part shortly.

Martin


User currently offlineKnightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1756 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5259 times:

Hi Martin

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 22):
A very nice report as usual! Looks like you had a nice couple of flights, and that train journey sure seemed impressive!

Definitely, it was a fun trip to a very interesting city.

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 22):
That picture made me smile! I really love those SK MD80's you know!

I know just the way you feel. It's like a magnet. That t-tail stand out against all the others, that makes it easy to spot at an airport. I know my trip to Skelleftea last year should have been my MD-80 farewell trip, but somehow the temptation is getting to me!

Thanks for commenting Martin!

Cheers,
William


User currently offlinestipica From Croatia, joined Feb 2011, 426 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4269 times:

Hi William !
super nice reading ...I have Knightsofmalta weekend hehheh ... train section is equally interesting ... thanks stipica  



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User currently offlineKnightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1756 posts, RR: 18
Reply 25, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4199 times:

Hi Stipica

Quoting stipica (Reply 24):
super nice reading

Thank you!

Quoting stipica (Reply 24):
I have Knightsofmalta weekend hehheh

Yeah, I noticed. And I am determined to answer every one of your posts!

Quoting stipica (Reply 24):
train section is equally interesting

Yes, quite a few people commented that they liked reports with 'integrated transport modes' in them. So do I actually!

Quoting stipica (Reply 24):
thanks stipica

My pleasure, thanks for posting!

Cheers,
William


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