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LAN Argentina: AEP-BRC-AEP (w/pics)  
User currently offlinefbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3713 posts, RR: 28
Posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7097 times:

Route: Buenos Aires – Aeroparque Jorge Newbery – Bariloche – San Carlos de Bariloche Internatinal
Airline: LAN Argentina
Flight Number: LA4346
Aircraft: Airbus A320-233
Registration: LV-BHU
Seat: 2A (Single Class Economy)
Distance: 831 miles
Duration: 2hrs 1min



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After four days in Buenos Aires it was time to move on to our next stop, San Carlos de Bariloche in the foothills of the Andes. We’d booked on LAN as they seemed the best carrier on the route and also because of our oneworld elite status.

I’d heard that although the Aeroparque is LAN Argentina’s main hub because they don’t offer a business class cabin that there is no priority check-in and a friend had flown them and said check-in was a right mess so we arrived a couple of hours early. The Aeroparque is certainly an airport that outgrew itself quickly and the departure arrival arrangement reflects that, a hook turn across all the lanes of traffic required to get into the airport from the city centre direction! Makes Heathrow look like a model or urban development planning  LAN check-in area

LAN check-in had two sets of desks; a bag drop and a normal line. As we’d checked in online at our hotel we used the bag drop desk, much shorter but because it only had one person staffing it the line got blocked by the one person at the front. Sigh. Alas our fears about long check-in lines were unfounded and from curbside to security was about fifteen minutes.

Security was upstairs and despite no priority line there either it was a quick affair, one boarding pass check and were through one of the two stations in a matter of a couple of minutes    With no lounge to go to we took some seats in front of the windows and watched the activity outside, the city framing the airport goings on rather nicely.

1) Our aircraft being readied for departure
2) Varig? Eh?!
3) Sister A320 off to Puerto Montt


Our flight was departing from a remote stand so we took the escalator down to the empty waiting area.

Remote stand boarding area

At 11.30 smartly uniformed GAs turned up and an announcement was made in Spanish, presumably about boarding starting soon as people appeared to ready themselves. A group of passengers approached the podium and given the “Preferente” notation on our boarding passes we joined them. The GA waved away the others but took our entire boarding pass and directed us onto the waiting bus outside so we opted for the best seats for preferente disembarkation at the stairs.   Given it was our first domestic South American flight I wanted to assume the worst from a hand baggage perspective and didn’t really want to end up gate checking my rollaboard.

As with BAA it was a competition to get as many people on the bus as possible. Just when it’s full and the windows are about to blow out add a few more people for good measure…and all for the drive of about three bus lengths from the doors to the rather wobbly stairs up to the aircraft!


View from row 2


The cabin setup was a bit different from most A320 family aircraft I’ve flown and there was nothing between row 1 and the exit door except a cabin divider. Sitting down in row 2 it became apparent this was going to be an almost Club Europe like experience due to the decent legroom and the fact the “business class” cabin divider was set up between rows 3 and 4 (as far forward as Airbus allow the dividers to go). Right up until boarding ended I thought we’d bag a free seat too but one of the last passengers to board nabbed the aisle seat, nevermind.

Right on time we pushed back and the safety video was played. We taxied over to runway 31 past presidential 757 Tango01 and an equally smart Gulfstream V adjacent to it, the other T-tail rustbuckets littering the airport grounds weren’t quite so easy on the eye however!

After a ten minute hold we taxied onto the runway itself and off into the skies above the city. Scored a great view of El Monumental, the River Plate football stadium that we’d enjoyed a match at a few days before. From there we turned over the River Plate itself and then back over the city.

Scenes from a departure…El Monumental, River Plate, Microcentro (The eagle eyes amongst you will spot several well known landmarks) and Ezeiza Airport

The views of the city itself were unbelievable, having walked round a lot of it over the last few days all the main sights were pretty clear. However, once past the city limits it was rather less interesting!

Although all the row 1 starboard side seats were free the person in the aisle seat chose to remain put as opposed to taking three seats to herself. In retrospect we should have been the ones to move!


Row 2


The smell of aircraft oven permeated through the cabin and I wasn’t sure if given the lunchtime departure whether or not we’d be the grateful recipients. When the drinks cart was wheeled into row 1 it was clear it wasn’t us on the end of the hot meals, although the Havanna snack box and free beer was a reasonable second place option  Havanna Snack box and Quilmes

The inflight entertainment started up around the same time and the choice being that omnipresent airline favourite…Just For Laughs. Despite being predictable and a bit lame it was quite nice to have there as the scenery dulled during the middle passage of the flight and you didn’t need headphones plugged in to follow it. The only notable scenery once out of the city were the little spots scattered across the desert, or what looked like desert, probably salt pans of some kind. Answers on a postcard!

Scenery

After the two episodes of Just For Laughs ended I peered out the window a little more as the horizon suggested more interesting scenery was coming soon and we could feel the initial stages of the descent begin. It was an extremely gradual descent and I’ll be honest the scenery wasn’t quite what I was expecting at first. Those on the starboard side of the aircraft were faces pressed up against the glass though so something must have been more interesting over there!


Descent


As we descended further the little valleys and gorges that were well disguised from higher altitudes became more pronounced and a few turns mixed into the approach added to the sporty driving feeling. Although thick cloud was over the area a few snowcapped peaks off in the distance let us know we were in the foothills of the Andes.


Final approach


From my side of the aircraft it certainly seemed as though we were in quite a remote part of the world with nothing but the odd farmstead standing between us and the hills and the mountains across the way. The fence for the airport property came into view as we touched down on runway 29. Due to the lack of taxiways we had to go to the end of the runway, pull a nifty U-turn and taxi back towards the terminal building, a quaint Alpine style terminal building.

Taxiing back to the terminal

Despite BRC’s size it still had two jetbridges one of which was quickly attached to the aircraft and we were down in baggage claim in no time. From where I was standing in the claim hall I could see the bags being unloaded from the aircraft and being brought over. As the claim hall filled up a little predictably everyone stood right in front of chuffing carousel. Jesus people, am I the only one who sees this as utmost human stupidity? Even the guy who had every bag possible labeled with Delta Platinum tags (old design!) was standing in front of it. Facepalm. Our bags were slow to come through by which time the baggage inspection line was quite long. Mr. Delta Platinum got to cut to the front of the line due to what appeared to be some rifles he’d brought with him.

Once on the other side of the desk the welcome desk from our hotel was ready and waiting with a car to whisk us off.

After showing you pictures of snackboxes and dull boarding areas it would be unfair not to share a few pictures from the beautiful area we stayed at, the Llao Llao Hotel:
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Route: Bariloche – San Carlos de Bariloche International – Buenos Aires – Aeroparque Jorge Newbery
Airline: LAN Argentina
Flight LA4351
Aircraft: Airbus A320-233
Registration: LV-BET
Seat: 2A (Single Class Economy)
Distance: 831 miles
Duration: 1hr 45mins



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As the hotel was rather busy we could only hold our room until 4pm, and with a flight just before 7pm this seemed a reasonable timel for us to head to the airport, particularly with a 45min drive to consider…as we were pulling up to the departure ramp I almost told the driver which airline we were flying until I realized how comically small Argentina’s fourth busiest airport is!

Bariloche Airport…yes, that’s it!

LAN check-in was empty and so we walked to the front of the line to find check-in didn’t open until an hour and twenty minutes before the flight! We staked out a primo spot to wait things out and the wife waited whilst I took a quick whiz around the departure area. Lots of people were watching the Real Madrid vs. Barcelona game in café, ok, everyone was watching it    The café had a nice view of the apron though not much traffic to observe!

Apron

When I got back an elderly couple had decided to set up camp in the check-in line and like a good Brit in WWII would have done I joined it too. I didn’t want some enormous group to show up and then we ended up being stuffed, well that was my reasoning anyway!

1hr 45mins before departure a group of staff appeared from the back office and started check-in proceedings. After a couple of handwritten baggage tags were made we were directed to Gates 1 and 2, alas this early check-in was to no avail as security wasn’t open! It seemed not many things at Bariloche airport were open including, rather ironically, the “Open 25 Hours” store    We’d seen signs for a VIP lounge in the departures area when we arrived five days earlier and with hopes our oneworld status or Priority Pass would get us in we rather awkwardly loitered outside the entrance to the closed security checkpoint.

As a steady stream of people arrived not only for our flight but a similarly timed AR flight we got to enjoy watching people part with their pesos on getting their luggage shrink wrapped.   

At 5.50pm security finally opened, my wife was through first and I was pulled aside. She sat in the concourse, well, waiting room more like, just across from me but was then, rather peculiarly called back to the table where I was and then had her bag turned inside out and the guy never looked in mine! No clue what that was about…

Once past security it became apparent from our little holding pen that we had no direct access to the lounge, you could only reach it from the international side, although it was on the other side of some glass doors I felt hesitant about going near. A LAN representative showed up at the podium and armed with our Executive Club cards we enquired about the lounge, he said it wasn’t Priority Pass and LAN/oneworld passengers wouldn’t be granted access and that for the US$40 entry it was “very ugly”    However, once he was done with his task he came over to us and much to the bemusement of those around us put some large VIP tags on our carry-ons and reminded us “as important customers to LAN we could board whenever we liked”.   


Inbound A320


At 6.20pm the inbound aircraft landed and a PA was made to the departing passengers that “LAN announces the arrival of LA1234 from Buenos Aires”…thanks for that!  
The inbound passengers showed up on the other side of the glass and for some reason one of the departing passengers took it upon himself to walk through the forbidden transparent doors and then got shouted at by someone out of sight which sent him scurrying back to where he should be.   

The boarding was a peculiar affair, the two female agents set up two tensa barriers in a cross and then sort of filled them up with passengers in an arrangement I couldn’t figure out. Bored with the gate area we showed them our passes, pointing at the “Preferente” designation. We were told to sit and wait around ten minutes or so and then we’d be able to board. Hmm. I wasn’t too worried but the wife for some reason had adopted my “airport personality” and was a little angsty, as were two other Brit passengers sporting BA Executive Club Gold and Silver tags on their carry-ons and had also received short shrift from the GAs. It seemed a bit odd to see other Brits so far from home…


1) Waiting to depart
2) Look! Legroom!


The bonus of boarding late was that once on it was only a minute or so until the doors shut and then we were on our way. This time around all of row 1 and the aisle seat in our row was free but the wife seemed happy in the middle seat and as I watched the beginnings of the setting sun I could see why. I could see the other AEP bound flight take off on runway 29 which, if we followed it, would set us up for a superb view of Lake Nahuel Huapi and maybe even our hotel. Although for some reason after taxiing out a little it was apparent we’d be taking off in the opposite direction.


1) Looking eastwards
2) That’s a bit more interesting
3) Ahoy! Skywards!
4) Quick! The sun’s setting and I want to see it!


We taxied down to the little turnaround spot at the end of runway 11 and you could tell we picked the absolute perfect time to depart; a basically cloudless sky during the last few moments of full light. We lifted off from runway 11 and almost immediately turned to the north east and the view was nothing short of breathtaking. Lake Nahuel Huapi winding its way northward, the mountains and volcanos straddling the Chilean border that we hadn’t seen whilst on the ground or on approach felt like they were at an arm’s length, and to have the staggeringly beautiful Patagonian sunset to boot. It was one of the most beautiful things I’ve seen from an aircraft, maybe even from anywhere! At such moment it’s difficult not to want to try and document it but any camera isn’t going to convey the beauty but here we go…



Watching the sun dip below the horizon and seeing the near infinite range of colours in the sky blend as it did so was just wow, it’s pleasure flight worthy!! But as the yellow beachball melted into the horizon normal cabin service resumed, it was almost like it was the show and once over everyone onboard began their normal duties starting with the wheeling out of the drinks trolley.

At that moment it struck me that this was an almost carbon copy of the outbound flight. We were in the same seats, the snack box was the same, we chose the same drinks and even the episodes of Just for Laughs were the same!

Spot the difference! Clue: there are no differences

Although it had been some time since the sun had set its glow still silhouetted the mountains as we tracked towards Buenos Aires gradually getting further away from them. Above us was a very bright light indeed, my guess was a low level satellite or possibly the International Space Station, it moved very slowly across the sky remaining constantly bright.


Bathing in the warm glow with the mystery white speck


The drinks trolley was wheeled round for a second outing and we were offered more beer and one of the snackboxes that was going begging, this time around it was slightly different though. Check it out:

Spot the difference: Clue: there are differences

Once the sun was completely gone it was remarkably difficult to figure out where the sky ended and the ground began as the stars and the lights on the ground were perfectly matched in both colour and spacing. Maybe I’d been so engrossed in JfL that I hadn’t noticed we were now flying vertically and they were in fact all stars…hmm.   

As the flight time ticked on you could tell we were nearing civilization as grid pattern towns became closer together and then a PA made to inform us we’d be on the ground in about 30mins. Compared to the outbound flight this had passed remarkably fast, maybe the déjà vu effect of beginning part of the service   The lights were brought up shortly thereafter and I kept an eye out for something interesting to see on our approach from the northwest of the airfield. There wasn’t a whole lot to see, not until right before touchdown when what looked like an Middle Eastern encampment could be seen. A glance at Google Maps after landing showed it was “Parque Norte” for those who fancy a visit via Panaramio….


Approach into AEP


From the taxi to our remote stand the stark white glow from the El Monumental stadium indicated a match of some kind was taking place. Having been there at night to enjoy a game the previous weekend and seen all the incoming aircraft it would have been cool to see it from the other way round but alas on this occasion I’ll happily take prime view of the sunset instead   

From where we parked it was a whole 50ft on the bus to the baggage hall where we only had a few minutes to wait until the bags started appearing. I once again became enraged a little inside due to the crowding of the belt but thankfully our bags were one of the first off so there wasn’t enough time for my blood to reach boiling point. After waving off a couple of unsolicited taxis we were quickly into a cab, risking our lives once more at the hands of the Porteno taxi drivers  biggrin 

[Edited 2012-05-10 21:35:59]


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User currently offlinelychemsa From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1221 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6893 times:

I always wanted to stay at the Lao Lao Hotel. How was it? Is it warm enough to swim in the pool in the summer?

I was at that airport in 1978. The Terminal as far as I remember was smaller.

The snack box looks awful. Not even a sandwich on a 2 hour flight. I think the competitor serves a better snack.


User currently offlinemdavies06 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2009, 386 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6330 times:

Thanks for your interesting TR on LAN Argentina on one of their domestic routes. I don't think there are many LAN Argentina TR here.

I recognise AEP very well from your pictures and thanks for posting them. It is such a conveniently located airport (like LCY) it is of no surprise that many airlines fight to get landing rights into this airport. I recognise the HSBC cash point in your first picture - it is the first cash point I ever used in Argentina. This was back in 2010. Glad to know it is still there!


User currently offlinefbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3713 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5599 times:

Quoting lychemsa (Reply 1):
I always wanted to stay at the Lao Lao Hotel. How was it? Is it warm enough to swim in the pool in the summer?

Fantastic! We had a suite on the end of the building so from one side we could see Lake Moreno and Mount Tronador and the other side was Lake Nahuel Huapi. The setting is staggeringly beautiful, I don't think I've stayed at a luxury hotel in a more beautiful setting anywhere in the world.

The Bustillo Building dating back to the 1940s looked a little tired in places (I'm being very picky though) so I'd certainly recommend the newer Lake Moreno wing. Basically brand new with all studios and suites facing onto Lake Moreno.

Quoting lychemsa (Reply 1):
I was at that airport in 1978. The Terminal as far as I remember was smaller.

I'm not surprised! The current terminal building felt rather new!

Quoting lychemsa (Reply 1):
The snack box looks awful. Not even a sandwich on a 2 hour flight. I think the competitor serves a better snack.

I wouldn't have minded something more substantial either to be honest, the going rate return for foreigners (who are only allowed to purchase fully flexible fares) is about US $700 on that route. Would have completed the "European business class experience" too  
Quoting mdavies06 (Reply 2):
I recognise the HSBC cash point in your first picture - it is the first cash point I ever used in Argentina. This was back in 2010. Glad to know it is still there!

Good spot! Funny how you remember things like that!  



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User currently offlineMSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2474 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5347 times:

Hi

Nice trip report, thanks for sharing.
I'm surprisd by the legroom that LAN gives.

Greetings
Marc



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User currently offlineMarambio From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2004, 1160 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5163 times:

Nice to see Argentine reports in here. It's been a long time since I last flew to BRC, but everything looks pretty much the same at that airport. Things hardly ever change in this part of the world  

Excellent pictures of BA as well.

Quoting fbgdavidson (Thread starter):
There wasn’t a whole lot to see, not until right before touchdown when what looked like an Middle Eastern encampment could be seen. A glance at Google Maps after landing showed it was “Parque Norte” for those who fancy a visit via Panaramio….

Actually you're talking about Tierra Santa (Holy Land), a religious theme park located just opposite Parque Norte. Personally I find it quite kitschy, but I'm not a very religious guy - I guess that if you are a believer you may find it interesting.

Saludos,
Marambio

[Edited 2012-05-12 23:03:26]


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User currently offlinefbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3713 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4809 times:

Quoting lychemsa (Reply 1):
Is it warm enough to swim in the pool in the summer?

It certainly was, even in April. On the last day we were there we swam outside with some beers and enjoyed the wonderful views. With a little chilly breeze the water was much preferable to being outside the pool   

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 4):
I'm surprisd by the legroom that LAN gives.

Me too, My assumption at the time was that these seats were offering more legroom up front for when they're converted into business class seating. Although it wasn't offered on this flight I suppose they might do for international legs. This is how BA and other airlines do it, a lot of the aircraft is configured with 34" pitch or similar in case more business class seats are sold.

Quoting Marambio (Reply 5):
Actually you're talking about Tierra Santa (Holy Land), a religious theme park located just opposite Parque Norte. Personally I find it quite kitschy, but I'm not a very religious guy - I guess that if you are a believer you may find it interesting.

Thanks for the information, I just looked it up for curiousity's sake (am not religious either) and read an amusing review from an American who heard there was an exhibit commemorating Martin Luther and upon seeing it was really surprised it wasn't Martin Luther King!!   



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User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8561 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4242 times:
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Most enjoyable, thanks for posting.

Quoting fbgdavidson (Thread starter):
he Aeroparque is certainly an airport that outgrew itself quickly and the departure arrival arrangement reflects that, a hook turn across all the lanes of traffic required to get into the airport from the city centre direction! Makes Heathrow look like a model or urban development planning

- Nice so get a decent comment for Heathrow, I love it bust most seem to hate it just as much as they have BA or VS, people are funny....

Quoting fbgdavidson (Thread starter):
With no lounge to go to we took some seats in front of the windows and watched the activity outside, the city framing the airport goings on rather nicely.

- Great views, almost makes up for no lounge....

Quoting fbgdavidson (Thread starter):
ur flight was departing from a remote stand so we took the escalator down to the empty waiting area

- Reminds me of JNB.

Quoting fbgdavidson (Thread starter):
The views of the city itself were unbelievable

- Indeed, pretty decent!

Quoting fbgdavidson (Thread starter):
Although all the row 1 starboard side seats were free the person in the aisle seat chose to remain put as opposed to taking three seats to herself

- As they would say in Allo Allo, Stupid Woman!

Quoting fbgdavidson (Thread starter):
armed with our Executive Club cards we enquired about the lounge, he said it wasn’t Priority Pass and LAN/oneworld passengers wouldn’t be granted access and that for the US$40 entry it was “very ugly”    However, once he was done with his task he came over to us and much to the bemusement of those around us put some large VIP tags on our carry-ons and reminded us “as important customers to LAN we could board whenever we liked”

- Nice touch by the ground staff!

Cheers

Mark



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User currently offlineflightsimboy From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1295 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4109 times:
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Hello,

Nice report. Always nice to see reports on LAN

Quoting fbgdavidson (Thread starter):
and all for the drive of about three bus lengths from the doors to the rather wobbly stairs up to the aircraft!

Could you not take photos while using the stairs? Secuirty?

Quoting fbgdavidson (Thread starter):
off into the skies above the city. Scored a great view of El Monumental, the River Plate football stadium that we’d enjoyed a match at a few days before.

Gorgeous pics. You got some magnificent views. While enjoying the football match were you distracted with the jets flying overhead  


User currently offlinefbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3713 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3676 times:

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 8):
Could you not take photos while using the stairs? Secuirty?

I try to be sneaky when taking photos, am not good at standing around on the tarmac and things snapping away...

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 8):
You got some magnificent views. While enjoying the football match were you distracted with the jets flying overhead  

There were a steady stream of aircraft coming in and we were positioned well...I didn't get any photos but my wife happened to incorporate one into a photo.




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