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Flying KLM & AF To Meet In BERlin: AMS-TXL-CDG-AMS  
User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4268 posts, RR: 51
Posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9691 times:

Dear readers,

After some time of absence on my side, I try to be back regularly now with tripreports and replies. Sudden changes in private life had some impact and I didn't feel able to write about some trips I made during last months.

Now, we all might know about the tripreporter meet in BER, the new Brandenburg Airport, which was said to open on June 3, 2012. The meet was set at this place to celebrate the opening and of course to meet eachother again. Well, we all know what happened, and due to these "unforeseen circumstances" most of us decided to join the -farewell to TXL- meet anyway since flights were booked already.

I will briefly write about my flights, which were quite standard hops on both KLM and Air France, helping me further in qualifying for my status level plus they offered a good enough fare to me.




So, it was Saturday, June 2nd, when I left my house to the airport by bus and train, and met with Suryo aka Ahkmad, who just arrived also at AMS after a 2 hour trip by train. Soon I was also in contact with Servaas aka MEA-707, another joiner and all 3 of us were booked on the same flight.

Flying KLM & AF to meet in BERlin: AMS-TXL-CDG-AMS




I first went to KLM's SkyPriority check-in area to obtain my boarding passes for the flights next day. Somehow online check-in had issues, probably because originally the flight was ex BER but now ex TXL. The very kind agent was happy to assist me and issued me an exit row for the next day free of charge (usually +€15,-).
After this Suryo and I went to security where I can use the fast track..., but since I was travelling together with Suryo, I said we take both the fast track. It almost like to be expected, but the agent from the security company decides that Suryo has to take the regular lane, and seperates us. It's unbelievable when you think about it! So, e.g. a married couple where the husband has status but not the wife, they can't go together.
It's unfair and not customer friendly this way. More over, 3 weeks ago my mother without status was not a problem to use the fast track with me. It confusing, but I am a revenue passenger, and I have the right to get confused by this -in my opinion- stupid behavior of 'some security guy'.
X-raying was no big deal, but she had to see my 'liquids'. I never take them out... Never somebody asks me about it. Today she did... But after showing it, it was all fine. I’m fine with this though.

For my neighbours (no excuses P., I got myself a few just days before) I bought 2 bottles of Baileys (I got myself one just 3 days ago) at See Buy Fly, using the really good 'pick up on return' service which is free of charge. For a price of €12.50 each per liter, definitely a great offer!

The rest of our time was spend in Grand Café 'Het Paleis' in departure lounge 1, where Suryo and I enjoyed some Affligem special beers. Servaas was joining us a while later too, making us complete.


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Grand Café “Het Paleis”, good beer selection and apron view


We headed to our gate, which was meanwhile changed from C06 to C16.... Meaning an aircraft change.


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Not the most exciting part at AMS


I personally wasn't amused to see PH-BXU at my original gate C06, which would have been one of few unflown 737-800's from KLM for me. But at C16 I unfortunately found PH-BXM, well-flown by me during the years, with my last flight on this same aircraft just at last 29th May  
Boarding was already in progress, but I was able to pass the line via the specially set-up SkyPriority lane and was immediately and friendly served by the ground agent.






















Flight KL1833
Date 02.06.2012
Route AMS-TXL
Aircraft Boeing 737-8K2(WL)
Registration PK-BXM
Scheduled Departure Time // Actual Departure Time 17:05 // 17:01
Scheduled Arrival Time // Actual Arrival Time 18:20 // 18:07
Class of Service Economy Class
Seat No. 04F



I walked down the fingergate, and was greeted in an very friendly manner. “Hello Sir! There you are again!”, the purser said. Well, you can imagine that I was a bit surprised. I thought where we’ve met before, but apparently she remembered me from 29th May when I flew on a KLM flight from Italy to AMS. This is what I call great attentive service. This is one of the points KLM is famous for.

My seat was at row 4, just behind the curtain seperating from the Europe Business Class. I took my seat before my seatmates would show up, because this flight was a full flight for sure. Finally, boarding completed on time and I estimate the load at 98%, with only few remaining open seats.


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This one is for Petteri. There she is again!


Before we get our pushback a word of welcome from the flightdeck, first in English, followed in Dutch language. A flighttime of 1 hours was expected, the captain mentioned takeoff runway 36C, and he promised to give more info during the flight.

We left the gate a few minutes ahead of schedule, and the crew performed a manual safety demonstration, done in a professional and serious manner. It’s a change from the newer 737-800’s and all 737-700’s where ‘drop down screens’ are installed and show a safety video these days. But this example is already 12 years old hence not featuring these screens.

Taxiing was rather quick to runway 36C, and under the broken sky with took off into Northerly direction, followed by a slightly right turn, offering me a great view on the city of Amsterdam, the citycentre, Central Station and the IJ (water), Amsterdam Cruise Terminal (where Holland America Line “Ms Eurodam” was along side).


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Lining up runway 36C



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Airborne…



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City of Amsterdam



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For Philip, Central Station area, new EYE Movie Museum and Holland America Cruiseliner


During our further climb over The Netherlands and the ‘Veluwe’ area, I recognized cities as Amersfoort and Apeldoorn as well the airfield of Teuge (light aircraft).


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For Martijn, the city of Amersfoort and surroundings



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Teuge Airfield (near Apeldoorn)


Service on this flight was given, and was the standard offering of a sweet or savory snack. Drinks served also, including hot beverages and light alcohols. Since it was late afternoon, I decided for a fruity Merlot wine, and was offered additional mineral water by the friendly male flight attendant. He apologized to me for the low temperature of the red wine, which was of course not good. He explained to me that the bottle was just loaded onto the aircraft and that the trolleys are always stored in cool areas at the airport   


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Something to bite on and complimentary drink service



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I hope the new coffee is tasting good from next month…


As promised the captain was back on with further information; our altitude was at 39,000 feet, descend into TXL would start soon, weather for TXL were a few clouds with 15ºC. Fair conditions, definitely better then expected.


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I can really enjoy these views!


During descend the crew collected the garbage and the cabin was checked. Soon this flight was coming to an end again. TXL was visible on our righthand side, with the city of Berlin in the background. This would maybe be my last of many landings at this airport. But maybe, more will follow... who knows. We turned in for final approach and landing was performed smoothly.


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Some clouds during descend



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Turning in for finals when the sunrays shine over the outskirts of Berlin



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Final approach… sorry people in your houses: TXL remains open for a while longer!


Taxiing never takes long here and we soon parked, 10 minutes ahead of schedule, on a remote position (not unusual for the KLM flights). I said goodbye to the crew, who wished me a good night in Berlin and also noted that I was returning the next day to Amsterdam. They hoped to see me again soon. Well, I am, for sure.


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Parking on a remote position at TXL



Not less then 3 buses were waiting for our arrival, great arrangement here and the buses never got totally packed. Me and Servaas waited on the apron for Suryo, who was finalizing his final checklist in the cockpit. Therefore, the last bus we had and drove the short ride to the terminal.

With no luggage we got out in seconds and were greeted by an international welcome committee of fellow a.netters. Sultanils was in a little rush, since he had to get on the KLM flight to AMS. So we told him about the great crew and that he could look forward to a good flight. Read his report here: To BERlin? No, To TXL...: BRU-TXL-AMS-TXL-BRU (by Sultanils Jun 4 2012 in Trip Reports)


I met up with several of our famous tripreporters, we had some good talk (thanks Markus!) while waiting for Hannah, our hard working lady from ZRH who had to close the infodesk first before flying on the LX flight. As real men, we awaited the lady in red at her arrival gate. Once she joined, we were complete and headed off by the TXL bus to Alexanderplatz (fares: EUR 2.30/oneway - zone AB).


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Of couse we think about the members who didn’t join too. Jonas this one is for you!



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Leaving Tegel Airport for the City. A convenient direct busride running frequently



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Europe’s 2nd tallest structure still is the Berliner Fernsehturm (TV-tower)



The busride was very pleasant and the meeting was already up and running for sure. Good talk everywhere, really nice! About 30 minutes later we got off and walked to the restaurant near Alexanderplatz where we would spend most of the night, enjoying a great meal and a beer or 2. I counted about 25 people all together seated on 3 large tables. Impressive to see so many of us together. I think I speak for everybody when I say that it was a great evening being there all together.


After the most of us went eachothers way to their hotels, I headed to the Holiday Inn with Johannes, Robert and Gabriel for one more beer in the bar. When Johannes and Gabriel went for their room in another hotel, Robert and I had some more talk before the night called. There was not much time left to sleep.
Next morning, we have breakfast, also Markku joins us. A good start of the Sunday!


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Only Executives sleep in such a room…



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… to wake up in the morning with a nice view!



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Typical Alexanderplatz scene… I love Berlin for the history, the old and the new!


The Sunday was, from around midday, a relaxed time with the group, talking and watching the air traffic. We were able to enter the observation deck for free since the ticket machine WAS broken. Gabriel tried on Monday again, but they fixed the thing and the fare of EUR 2.00 is active again.
While the weather was a bit cloudy, the traffic was sometimes mostly interesting, especially when the MIAT flight came in from ULN and SVO using a B767-300 with RollsRoyce engines. The aircraft previously flew for China Yunnan Airlines and later China Eastern, as B-2569. Nowadays she is known as JU-1011. This was definitely a highlight to see and now, we all wonder when we see a tripreport on it haha... Maybe that’s the next goal for some of us!


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So much history in this city…



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… and highlights as well. Here is the 767 from Mongolia.


After a few hours and from time to time we say goodbye to some of the group who were flying home again, it was time to say ‘Prost’ for the last time in one of the few bars TXL Airport has to offer. The draft beer was a welcome drink and the Belgium chocolate Marc brought with him from Brussels were a nice snack to have on the table. Some more talk, some ideas for future meets,... till it was time to say goodbye.

My flight back was on Air France to CDG first, joining me were Servaas again, as well Alexander aka ‘eco’ and his friend Stefan from Bulgaria. The flight was packed, like the previous one AF operated ex earlier that afternoon. The A321 was there, as expected, at gate gate A14. And again, I’m not amused at all... the aircraft F-GTAV was exactly the same machine as I flew on just days ago on 29th May as well. It seems bad luck for me on this trip.


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Boarding gate for the AF flight (most passengers already boarded)



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I was not amused by this weather, but also not by reading this registration


I checked once more for the seating on the second leg, from CDG to AMS. But where 1 groundstaff said to be unable to check (this was AF, not KLM), the male collegue on her left helped me without problems. In the end I kept my seat at the emergency row, since also the flight to AMS would be packed! Finally I was among the last 5 persons to board, checked the computerscreen and noticed a load of 171 passengers in total. With 200 seats in total, that means 86% loadfactor. Good score also here. All seats in my row are taken, legroom is OK but less then on KLM’s Boeing 737s. Cabin looks in great condition.






















Flight AF2035
Date 03.06.2012
Route TXL-CDG
Aircraft Airbus A321
Registration F-GTAV
Scheduled Departure Time // Actual Departure Time 15:50 // 15:58
Scheduled Arrival Time // Actual Arrival Time 17:35 // 17:51
Class of Service Economy Class
Seat No. 05A


Doors closed slightly late, so a few minutes delay were unavoidable. The crew said something about the rainy weather as being a cause (if I understood it correctly), but that can’t be a real reason to be honest. OK, it started raining a bit, and the clouds were overcast. But very fine flying conditions.


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OK weather to fly in. Just a bit wet.


The safety demo is performed manually, but with less interest compared to KLM. The cabin check is done roughly, I’m sure AF crew is missing items here. Meanwhile we taxi out for runway 26L.

Takeoff was immediately, no need to wait for arrivals or other traffic. With TXL on my left, I got a final (?) view of the airport. Goodbye Tegel! You are a great ‘special’ airport. Always had smooth flights here, and I liked this airport more then others because it’s ‘different’. And I like slightly different, sometimes haha.


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Bye Tegel! Auf Wiedersehen? Time will tell!


Well, the view was soon gone once we helped ourselves through a thick layer of rainclouds. And once we got out of this, the weather was too hazy for great views. No good contrast at all between the white clouds and deep blue sky. A bit dissappointing to be honest. But what can I do. Just wait till next time, another time, another flight! That means... 3 more weeks waiting for me  

Service on this flight; free drinks and Grissotti snacks. The male steward serving me was friendly enough when I requested my red wine in my best French   I’m not keen on using this language though I like to speak it as far as my knowledge reaches.


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The usual red wine these days. Stay healthy during the flight too  



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I don’t like these skies with hazy layers all around


The remaining of this flight nothing happened. Crewmembers stored themselves into the galley, closed the curtains and where nowhere to be seen until 3 minutes before touchdown. 1 crew collected the garbage, before she took her seat for landing. But which really annoyed me on this particular flight is that no crewmember checked the cabin for closed seatbelts, seats in upright position, traytables and handluggage. This IS a lack of safety concern and to be honest, I haven’t seen this on AF before. It really was disinterest of this crew-team. Quite dissappointing!


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Approaching CDG, Paris in the distance. Montparnasse and Tour Eifel. Another photogenic city!


Landing was late on runway 27R, with a bigger delay then on departure ex TXL, so we didn’t make up any time in the air.


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Wanna play with me?



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Okay… we let Boeing win the game. I’m fine with that too!


We taxied along the -very beautiful piece of architecture- terminal 1 before getting into the terminal 2 area.


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This is such a beautiful building imho. Not so customer friendly these days, but great architecture!



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This can be an interesting Emb145 to fly…



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Because I’ve no 717 in the report, let’s do the beauty of Concorde! Speechless!


Parking was at gate F29, the same gate as I used on 29th of May (again!). With 20 minutes delay. At least when I left the plane I got a friendly ‘Au Revoir’. I left with mixed feelings.

KLM was in as well, just 2 gates away. It was a Boeing 737-800, spotting PH-BXD. I expected ‘BXM’ again, but apparently they changed their mind. Also BXD was flown before, the last flight I logged on this bird was in August 2008 on one of my ARN-AMS flights. You might remember the day I was rebooked by KF ‘faux1’ as some call this airline. Unfortunately I had to re-arrange my plans that day. ‘BXD’ flew me home that night and saved the day.


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So, KLM is in already. We can do a short transfer without problems



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Good information screens by ADP/CDG



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I really had to picture this beautiful B777-300ER. I love these machines!


Also today I fly home on this Eagle, that’s how they named this aircraft. After the compulsory visit to the lavatory before joining another flight for another red wine... boarding was really early and SkyPriority boarding was enforced here and I was able to make use of it. The groundagent was real friendly to me.






















Flight KL1244
Date 03.06.2012
Route CDG-AMS
Aircraft Boeing 737-8K2(WL)
Registration PK-BXD
Scheduled Departure Time // Actual Departure Time 18:40 // 18:38
Scheduled Arrival Time // Actual Arrival Time 19:50 // 19:46
Class of Service Economy Class
Seat No. 14F


I walk down the nicely designed glass jetty towards the aircraft and are greeted by 2 friendly crew members. Yes, I’m really flying home again... just a pity that the flight is almost full.
7 rows of Europe Business Class, impressive. And in the end, nearly full too. I’m in the Emergency Row, window. One senior flight attendant comes to explain me the operation of the overwing exit. For me it’s easy to accept this and she confirms that I am able to sit on 14F. The lady was very friendly, you can feel her professionalism in her voice when she explains about the emergency procedure.

We pushback early by a few minutes, so a great performance here by CDG handling and KLM. We startup, then as usual, the manual safety demo. I pay close attention to the steward, and he notices my attention. He smiles to me during the demo. It seems that he was glad that at least 1 person was paying attention to him.

We taxi out via the taxiway along the J-apron, a shortcut towards runway 27L, which was active for departures. With no traffic in front, we do a quick departure towards the West, followed by some righthand turning Northbound, towards Amsterdam.


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Up in the air again, going home…


Quite soon the seatbelt sign switches off and the crew comes into action. No surprise really, a full house and a flighttime of 45 minutes, means hard work. Especially now so many people are in Business Class, even 2 cabin crew are working in front. So in the back only 3, resulting in rather slow service for the front rows (including mine).
The male steward is really friendly and attentive though, and when I get my red wine, he automatically offers me water as well. With a smile. This is the way to do it. Meanwhile descend started already again, and the captain was on the intercom with the weather forecast: low clouds, rain, 9ºC. Not so good it seems.


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No complaints about my legroom in row 14



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My last red wine for the day. I took Baileys at home  


During descend it was a flight in between clouds only, without any views on the ground. I had no clue which runway we would be using that night. Finally about 300m altitude I recognize the location once we get clear of the cloudbase. We would use runway 36C for landing, definitely not the usual one for arrivals so a welcome change. I only arrived 2x before on this runway as far as I know. Landing was performed a bit rough, but of course OK enough. Thrustreversers were used to reduce speed before vacating the runway.


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Short finals at AMS for runway 36C. Visible is the R-apron (cargo)



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Moisture is in the air… touching down!


Taxiing took about 5 minutes in total, final parking gate was close to the main terminal building at gate D5. The engines were shut down just before our scheduled arrival time, so also here, a good achievement by KLM.


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And finally, I’m clearly back ‘home’ in Amsterdam


Overall, I conclude this weekend as very successfull. Despite no new registrations flown by me, the main target was the a.net tripreporter meet in BERlin. And, so many people where joining during this period, many new but also familiar faces! It was good to see you all (again)!
Let’s take revenge on BERlin in 2013 when they are really going to open the new airport. It seems this is something we’ve to discuss again the upcoming months.

KLM proved to be good as always to me, friendly open-minded crews on each flight, attentive service both in the air and also on the ground at the desk. Air France was in contrast to previous experiences, not service wise on board. That was just good enough. But the lack of interest to perform the safety procedures onboard is something I really dislike. This is of course not AF, but this is on my single flight with this particular crew. So I won’t judge negative about AF.
The CDG transfer was smoothless and quick. No problems experienced.

For now, thanks for reading. Sorry again for my absence here lately, but better times ahead so it seems. I’ll work on quite a backlog of tripreports from various kind of trips, short- and longhauls. Stay tuned, and happy flying   

Eric

NB – some more Berlin-meet tripreports are already online at this moment:

Johannes: Berlin And The "Reopening" Of TXL On LH And AB (by Luxair747SP Jun 4 2012 in Trip Reports)
Robin: To BER Or Not To BER, That Is The Question (by signol Jun 4 2012 in Trip Reports)
717Flyer: Mates And Muffins! HEL-TXL/SXF-BRU-TLL-HEL (by 717Flyer Jun 6 2012 in Trip Reports)


"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
38 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineSultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1703 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9605 times:
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Hello Eric,

That was certainly a nice report with your part of the ‘getting to and fro’. Excellent photography despite the mostly not so good weather in the air and on the ground as well. The meet certainly was excellent, I’m glad to have seen some old and some new faces as well.
As for KLM: I have about the same impression as you, my flights that weekend were excellent and the positive attitude of the crew was very refreshing to see. A bit of a letdown you had on AF, while I certainly will not bash them as well, I really believe the safety regulations and most of all the control of the cabin on takeoff and arrival must be taken seriously.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
After some time of absence on my side, I try to be back regularly now with tripreports and replies. Sudden changes in private life had some impact and I didn't feel able to write about some trips I made during last months.

No need to apologize my friend. I hope things will turn out for the better real soon. Anyway, glad you’re back and hopefully ‘with a vengeance’ 

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
It's unbelievable when you think about it! So, e.g. a married couple where the husband has status but not the wife, they can't go together.

If only the rules were equally interpreted by every single security officer. Clearly not the case here and confusing nonetheless.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
X-raying was no big deal, but she had to see my 'liquids'.

I will not comment any further on this one 
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
where Suryo and I enjoyed some Affligem special beers.

Yummy! Affligem is really nice but I like the Orval more.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
This is what I call great attentive service.

I agree in full.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
He explained to me that the bottle was just loaded onto the aircraft and that the trolleys are always stored in cool areas at the airport

That makes perfect sense. I’m amazed he didn’t come up with some lazy bull** explanation.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Sultanils was in a little rush, since he had to get on the KLM flight to AMS. So we told him about the great crew and that he could look forward to a good flight.

I was in a little rush to say the least. Must note however that I had some minutes to spare but not much   The crew indeed was wonderful and I gave them your compliments which they appreciated tremendously.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Jonas this one is for you!

 

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Here is the 767 from Mongolia.

That one was quite a sight, now was it!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
That means... 3 more weeks waiting for me

Oh, you’ll manage, I have to wait 2,5 months...

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
But which really annoyed me on this particular flight is that no crewmember checked the cabin for closed seatbelts, seats in upright position, traytables and handluggage.

   Unacceptable!

Sultanils



In thrust we trust.
User currently offlineCaptainRed From Germany, joined Oct 2010, 684 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9306 times:

Hi Eric,

great report, good to read about your view of the meeting. It was definitely nice to meet you again. You got some very nice pictures, despite the not so perfect weather conditions, I especially like the ones you took from Amsterdam on departure.

And about the flights, shame that you couldn't log a new registration, but at least some nice flights with KLM with good service and nice crews. And about AF, well, they should really take the safety regulations more seriously. But I agree with you that this is definitely not the standard on their flights, in my experience most of their crews are very professional and attentive to these things.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
He apologized to me for the low temperature of the red wine, which was of course not good.

Very nice that he noticed and explained such a detail. That really shows that he cared about the customers, well done.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I think I speak for everybody when I say that it was a great evening being there all together.

Fully agree with you here, it was a great evening.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Because I’ve no 717 in the report, let’s do the beauty of Concorde! Speechless!

What a beauty!

CaptainRed


User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4268 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9264 times:

Hi guys, thanks for your replies!

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 1):
Excellent photography despite the mostly not so good weather in the air and on the ground as well.
Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 2):
You got some very nice pictures, despite the not so perfect weather conditions,

Thanks!  
Quoting Sultanils (Reply 1):
As for KLM: I have about the same impression as you, my flights that weekend were excellent and the positive attitude of the crew was very refreshing to see.

Good to hear from the neighbour in the South!

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 1):
A bit of a letdown you had on AF, while I certainly will not bash them as well, I really believe the safety regulations and most of all the control of the cabin on takeoff and arrival must be taken seriously.
Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 2):
And about AF, well, they should really take the safety regulations more seriously. But I agree with you that this is definitely not the standard on their flights, in my experience most of their crews are very professional and attentive to these things.

Also my impression. AF has always shown very serious and customer-minded on all my flights with them (which are quite a lot actually), and this was the first time it clearly failed in the cabin. Hopefully just a one-off.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 1):
I hope things will turn out for the better real soon.

Working on that! Thanks Nils   

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 1):
Yummy! Affligem is really nice but I like the Orval more.

... and Suryo liked Leffe more he said.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 1):
The crew indeed was wonderful and I gave them your compliments which they appreciated tremendously.

Thanks for doing so!

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 2):

Very nice that he noticed and explained such a detail. That really shows that he cared about the customers, well done.

Also my impression. Kudos to the crew!

Eric



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlinereifel From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 1357 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9142 times:

Thanks for sharing! I was suprised to read your flight from Berlin ended in 2F in CDG. Did they already moved the German flights from 2D to 2F? I thought this was for something like September when the new satellite will open, maybe I missed something. In your case at least the mighty CDG connection was a breeze...

User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 927 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9118 times:

Hi Eric...great report as always. It was a true pleasure to meet you in Berlin. Cheers, Will


Landing on every Continent almost on an annual basis!
User currently offlineCARST From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 820 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9064 times:

Nice TR. Bad luck with the aircraft changes. Would like to see more photos from the actual a.net meeting.

User currently offlineLuxair747SP From Germany, joined May 2010, 508 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8994 times:

Hi Eric,

Great report about the meeting!
KL seemed to offer a solid product, but any kind of sandwich would have also been nice!
The time in Berlin was great and we had a lot of interesting talks, hope we can do that soon again!

Thanks a lot for sharing this piece!
Cheers
Johannes


User currently offlinedkdaviator From Denmark, joined Jun 2009, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8722 times:

Hi,

Nice report, and it was good to hear about the meet up in Berlin, from your perspective. It was good people still had a nice time, even with the airport opening delayed for a while now. I had hoped to make it there as well, but scheduling did not allow this time...

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I was in a little rush to say the least. Must note however that I had some minutes to spare but not much   The crew indeed was wonderful and I gave them your compliments which they appreciated tremendously.


Heehee, funny that Sultanils was leaving on the turn around of the same flight you guys arrived on. But at least you were able to give him a little advance information on the crew.  
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
It really was disinterest of this crew-team.

Quite dissappointing!


Yes, I would agree. A little suprising to hear that actually.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
KLM was in as well, just 2 gates away.


That's nice, and so convenient. I don't think I've ever had the connecting gate so close at CDG. But then again, many of the times I have been through there I was connecting between short haul and long haul flights.  
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I really had to picture this beautiful B777-300ER. I love these machines!


Wow, nice picture, and what a beautiful aircraft!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
and when I get my red wine, he automatically offers me water as well. With a smile. This is the way to do it.


I have also experienced the same on KLM, quite a few times. It is a nice touch by their crews to also offer a water.

Cheers,

David



dkdaviator
User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1712 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8604 times:

Hoi Eric, nice report! Glad you managed to get it up so quickly, and not on the backlog until 2014  
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I first went to KLM's SkyPriority check-in area to obtain my boarding passes for the flights next day.

Must say the SkyPriority is a really nice service, which they will soon introduce at Arlanda this fall. Although very generous of them to give it to Skyteam Elite also, but aren't they making some changes to that later this year (due to some requests by Delta) But not that it'd be an issue for you anyway  
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
The very kind agent was happy to assist me and issued me an exit row for the next day free of charge (usually +€15,-).

That's very customer friendly of them, clearly they are looking to keep a loyal customer here!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
So, e.g. a married couple where the husband has status but not the wife, they can't go together.

Well it's a Silver Card only, so normally these don't allow guest access. But then again I don't know the rules of AF-KLM

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
. It confusing, but I am a revenue passenger, and I have the right to get confused by this -in my opinion- stupid behavior of 'some security guy'.

Yes fasttrack security agents really seem to work under some ad-hoc like procedures, as opposed to the machine bureaucratic lounge dragons. Suppose they can decide from time to time who to let in. Maybe since you were traveling with your mother they thought it would be rude not to let her in. Also sometimes I've heard about security agents letting people running late to their flights use the fasttrack, despite not having access.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
For my neighbours (no excuses P., I got myself a few just days before) I bought 2 bottles of Baileys

Ah so you made peace with the noisy neighbours, or are these different ones?  
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
This is what I call great attentive service. This is one of the points KLM is famous for.

Yes KLM crews are really some of the best I've encountered, always a good and friendly first impression when stepping onboard.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Something to bite on and complimentary drink service

Again very generous service of them, and very sufficient for the time of day and duration of the flight. Did they offer any cookie service, or is that only for longer flights?

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Of couse we think about the members who didn’t join too. Jonas this one is for you!

Haha, well clearly I'm jelaous now! Stylish bag and fancy tags is a good combo! 
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
This is such a beautiful building imho. Not so customer friendly these days, but great architecture!

Well only heard bad things about that place. Will be interesting to try it out later this year. Suppose it will be my first encounter with the messy parts of CDG, which the airport is so infamously known for.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
This can be an interesting Emb145 to fly…

Haha, suppose Petteri wouldn't want to fly on that plane  
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I really had to picture this beautiful B777-300ER. I love these machines!

How come you didn't catch a shot on the JAL plane which always seems to be parked there? At least that was the case during all my visits to CDG, there was always a JAL plane nearly at all times of the day (at least what it seemed like to me back then). Makes me slightly surprised why they didn't opt to join Skyteam, would make a good quality airline addition to the alliance, and besides they seem to have codeshares on many routes already.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
My last red wine for the day. I took Baileys at home

How come you didn't opt for the white as a change? Or have BA spoiled you now, and you only drink Chablis?  

"Wheels Up!"
//Jonas



SAS Plus is Business Class made faux!
User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4268 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8421 times:

Hi all,

thanks for the replies so far. Really appreciated!

Quoting reifel (Reply 4):
I was suprised to read your flight from Berlin ended in 2F in CDG. Did they already moved the German flights from 2D to 2F?

Actually now you mention about it, the e-ticket showed arrival terminal in CDG to be 2D indeed. But we ended up at 2F. Also onboard, prior landing, the crew announced arrival would be at 2F. Maybe because the aircrafts next flight was from a 2F-destination? Germany is Schengen so for arrival procedures it doesn't make much difference.

Quoting reifel (Reply 4):
In your case at least the mighty CDG connection was a breeze...

Never had problems so far, at CDG. But that's my personal experience. I use(d) this airport a lot. But of course I heard so many 'other experiences' too.

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 5):
Hi Eric...great report as always. It was a true pleasure to meet you in Berlin.

Indeed, pleasure to meet! Next time in the US? Would love to do that!

Quoting CARST (Reply 6):
Nice TR. Bad luck with the aircraft changes. Would like to see more photos from the actual a.net meeting.

Well, I fly KL a lot, so there comes a time that the majority of the fleet is flown. That's life I guess.... and a game for us a.netters to score different ones each time we fly   More photos from the meet? Hmm... with the people on it? Maybe not everybody likes that for privacy reasons...

Quoting Luxair747SP (Reply 7):
KL seemed to offer a solid product, but any kind of sandwich would have also been nice!

Sandwiches on these short hops only for departures until 08.59 hours. Or longer (medium haul European) legs until 09.59 hours. So in the afternoon flights, it's snacktime only  
Quoting Luxair747SP (Reply 7):
The time in Berlin was great and we had a lot of interesting talks, hope we can do that soon again!

Sure we do this again! No doubt about that.

Quoting dkdaviator (Reply 8):
Nice report, and it was good to hear about the meet up in Berlin, from your perspective. It was good people still had a nice time, even with the airport opening delayed for a while now.

Thanks! But even without BER opening, a group of a.netters at any airport with some beer at night makes a successfull meet imho  
Quoting dkdaviator (Reply 8):
funny that Sultanils was leaving on the turn around of the same flight you guys arrived on. But at least you were able to give him a little advance information on the crew.

He could better be prepared!

Quoting dkdaviator (Reply 8):
Wow, nice picture, and what a beautiful aircraft!

Thanks. Yes 77W's are great machines. I used to work with/on this type and was impressed every time again with the performance and reliability.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 9):
Glad you managed to get it up so quickly, and not on the backlog until 2014

Thanks Jonas. But there is no backlog until 2014. Why do you assume this???

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 9):
Must say the SkyPriority is a really nice service,

Well the service is identical to the previous 'priority service' so it's just a name and colour change. Nothing real special about it to be honest.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 9):
Although very generous of them to give it to Skyteam Elite also

Why? It has always been given to Elite (Silver) and e.g. LH*S gives this service too. Just standard stuff and not ordinary generous at all.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 9):
Well it's a Silver Card only, so normally these don't allow guest access. But then again I don't know the rules of AF-KLM

Then again you don't get the point. It's not at all about Silver or not. It's about the difference each time I pass the lane at AMS. One day it's ok to use fasttrack with my mother (statusless), another day it's not possible. Which card is irrelevant. This is about the undecided behavior of some 'important feeling' security people. I am a customer and don't know what to expect.
Aside from that, even if this is not allowed, a couple like husband/wife with only 1 of them with status... would be torn apart for a while because they keep the strict rules. I had to wait about 5-8 minutes for Suryo to get cleared, which is a waste of time.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 9):
Ah so you made peace with the noisy neighbours, or are these different ones?

No. And Yes. Different ones...

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 9):
Did they offer any cookie service, or is that only for longer flights?

No. Only on longer flights over 90 minutes flight duration. So you'll get it on ARN-AMS and similar durations

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 9):
Well only heard bad things about that place. Will be interesting to try it out later this year.

I know and that is also what I mention Jonas. But I mean the building is surely among the most 'beautiful' pieces of airport architecture in Europe/World. It's a piece of 'art' how this building can offer such a function still today. But indeed, it's a bit outdated inside, messy in a French style and offering Star Alliance for example. Skyteam has much better terminals at least  
Quoting LH4116 (Reply 9):
Haha, suppose Petteri wouldn't want to fly on that plane

Why wouldn't he want to fly on this?

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 9):
How come you didn't catch a shot on the JAL plane which always seems to be parked there?

What is this for assumption again from you? Planes are to fly and not to be parked on the ground. Aside from that then I make the assumption that every time you were in CDG (not too often I assume) you were around in late afternoon/early evening.
Only since last last year the morning service from HND is in at CDG. But, then again... JL flights also tend to park on the J-remote apron at CDG where I've personally done several flighthandlings. And then you can't see them either.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 9):
Makes me slightly surprised why they didn't opt to join Skyteam, would make a good quality airline addition to the alliance, and besides they seem to have codeshares on many routes already.

They codeshared also with TAM. Should JAL also join Star Alliance now? Codeshare is about earning revenue, not basically about which alliance you're in.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 9):
How come you didn't opt for the white as a change? Or have BA spoiled you now, and you only drink Chablis?

1) I drink whatever I feel like at that moment. 2) Red wine is better for my health. 3) What has BA to do with this? Or Chablis? If you want to know, yes I like Chablis, but not every Chablis is nice. We talk about wine and personal taste. Did I ever take Chablis on BA then? I'm not into these things. At least I did on JAL longhaul J. Really nice.

Regards
Eric



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6558 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8398 times:

Hi Eric !

Nice report with nice pictures ! Good to see you writing a report again and good to hear that your life is getting back together again. Perhaps you might even have time to read and comment on my Biman Bangladesh report  

Very unfortunate to fly two aircraft so recently flown by you! I flew the same aircraft yesterday twice in one day(ARN-EWR ,EWR-LAX) and wasn't so happy about that either so I know what that feels like.

Not good of AF not checking on seats and seat belts. Hopefully a one time thing.

Very nice picture of the brand new AF 77W in Skyteam colors!

Looking forward very much to your next report!

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6782 posts, RR: 77
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8301 times:

Hi Eric,

great report with many nice pictures! It was good to meet you again!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
After some time of absence on my side, I try to be back regularly now with tripreports and replies.

  

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Sudden changes in private life had some impact and I didn't feel able to write about some trips I made during last months.

Yes, that's not hard to imagine.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
It's unbelievable when you think about it! So, e.g. a married couple where the husband has status but not the wife, they can't go together.

These security staff members must have been inspired by BOM (and probably other Indian airports)...

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
X-raying was no big deal, but she had to see my 'liquids'. I never take them out... Never somebody asks me about it.

I have always had to take them out in Germany.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I hope the new coffee is tasting good from next month…

I'm sure it will. I fully support these kinds of certified products.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Of couse we think about the members who didn’t join too. Jonas this one is for you!

Only three cards?  

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
While the weather was a bit cloudy, the traffic was sometimes mostly interesting, especially when the MIAT flight came in from ULN and SVO using a B767-300 with RollsRoyce engines. The aircraft previously flew for China Yunnan Airlines and later China Eastern, as B-2569. Nowadays she is known as JU-1011. This was definitely a highlight to see and now, we all wonder when we see a tripreport on it haha... Maybe that’s the next goal for some of us!

We should try to arrange a meeting on that TXL-SVO flight.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I really had to picture this beautiful B777-300ER. I love these machines!

  

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
And, so many people where joining during this period, many new but also familiar faces! It was good to see you all (again)!

  


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineflightsimboy From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1263 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8168 times:
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Hello Eric,

It's always a pleasure to read reports from you as they are sure to have KLM, Amsterdam Schipol and those crisp and wonderful photos!!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
the new Brandenburg Airport,
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I love Berlin for the history, the old and the new!

I know I should be asking PH this, but would Lufthansa naming it's new 747-8i "Brandenburg" have anything to do with this new airport? Also as you put it, Berlin is the old and the new, very much like the 747-8i, it's the old and the new  
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
So, it was Saturday, June 2nd, when I left my house to the airport by bus and train, and met with Suryo aka Ahkmad, who just arrived also at AMS after a 2 hour trip by train.

How nice to have met up first with Suryo  . And then with all the rest of the other spotters too.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
For my neighbours (no excuses P., I got myself a few just days before) I bought 2 bottles of Baileys

You must really like your neighbours  
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I walked down the fingergate, and was greeted in an very friendly manner. “Hello Sir! There you are again!”, the purser said. Well, you can imagine that I was a bit surprised. I thought where we’ve met before, but apparently she remembered me from 29th May when I flew on a KLM flight from Italy to AMS. This is what I call great attentive service. This is one of the points KLM is famous for.
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Service on this flight was given, and was the standard offering of a sweet or savory snack. Drinks served also, including hot beverages and light alcohols. Since it was late afternoon, I decided for a fruity Merlot wine, and was offered additional mineral water by the friendly male flight attendant. He apologized to me for the low temperature of the red wine, which was of course not good. He explained to me that the bottle was just loaded onto the aircraft and that the trolleys are always stored in cool areas at the airport

Wow, when I read these things about KLM I long to fly them someday. I think they will probably be my number one airline when I do, and take away the title from Malaysia Airlines. But I will have to wait and see.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Of couse we think about the members who didn’t join too. Jonas this one is for you!

Oh my who is that aviator that fell to the ground behind you, and was instantly frozen into stone (for a long time)

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Good talk everywhere

Just curious, I'm assuming it's English with everyone, considering most of the other a.netters came from other European countries. Or is there another language other than English everyone is comfortable to speak in?

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
and highlights as well. Here is the 767 from Mongolia.

Quite the rare visitor. Great catch.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I’m not keen on using this language though I like to speak it as far as my knowledge reaches.

If mathematics could talk, it would be French. Everything in that language is so calculated and structured, except of course for the irregular verbs  
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I really had to picture this beautiful B777-300ER. I love these machines!

I don't know if I would call the Boeing 777-300ER beautiful? For me it's the A340-600. Yes performance wise it's a beautiful aircraft, nothing like a Boeing 777-300ER take off, well any 777 aircraft for that matter. It leaves the Airbus aircraft far behind when it comes to climb.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I walk down the nicely designed glass jetty towards the aircraft and are greeted by 2 friendly crew members. Yes, I’m really flying home again... just a pity that the flight is almost full.
7 rows of Europe Business Class, impressive. And in the end, nearly full too. I’m in the Emergency Row, window. One senior flight attendant comes to explain me the operation of the overwing exit. For me it’s easy to accept this and she confirms that I am able to sit on 14F. The lady was very friendly, you can feel her professionalism in her voice when she explains about the emergency procedure.

We pushback early by a few minutes, so a great performance here by CDG handling and KLM. We startup, then as usual, the manual safety demo. I pay close attention to the steward, and he notices my attention. He smiles to me during the demo. It seems that he was glad that at least 1 person was paying attention to him.

Again, I long for the day I will be surrounded by a sea of blue.....KLM blue that is  
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Short finals at AMS for runway 36C. Visible is the R-apron (cargo)

I hope the time I ever land at Schipol it will not be this way with such bleak weather. Landed just twice before inbound and outbound on Kuwait Airways and I have to say the weather was great. This was 96 and 97, and I still recall passing some football fields, building block of apartments and then slammed onto the runway by our cowboy KU pilot!! On the return we crossed over that dyke (is that what it's called) on the way to the runway. Sweet memories!!


 
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
NB – some more Berlin-meet tripreports are already online at this moment:

Johannes: Berlin And The "Reopening" Of TXL On LH And AB (by Luxair747SP Jun 4 2012 in Trip Reports)
Robin: To BER Or Not To BER, That Is The Question (by signol Jun 4 2012 in Trip Reports)
717Flyer: Mates And Muffins! HEL-TXL/SXF-BRU-TLL-HEL (by 717Flyer Jun 6 2012 in Trip Reports)

I need to go read these. See, your KLM title in your trip report heading got my attention lol


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26957 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8132 times:

Hey Eric  
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Sudden changes in private life had some impact and I didn't feel able to write about some trips I made during last months.

Great to see you back ! Remember one door closes and another one opens and often is for the good  

Really nice report and read. I had missed your reports. Glad the TR Meet was a success and some lovely photos you got there .

Looking forward to the backlog of reports.

Regards

Philip  


User currently offlineinfodesk From Switzerland, joined May 2006, 1454 posts, RR: 33
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8043 times:

Hi Eric,

Thanks for writing this report so fast. A delight to read as always. Shame you didn't manage to log any new aircraft, but you had some good flights on KL again plus a smooth transfer at CDG, so I guess that makes up for it a bit.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
After some time of absence on my side, I try to be back regularly now with tripreports and replies. Sudden changes in private life had some impact and I didn't feel able to write about some trips I made during last months.

Well, I for sure am looking forward to all these reports, as I'm sure many others are too.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Somehow online check-in had issues, probably because originally the flight was ex BER but now ex TXL.

Same here too, I'm guess it happened to a few of us.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
It's unfair and not customer friendly this way. More over, 3 weeks ago my mother without status was not a problem to use the fast track with me. It confusing, but I am a revenue passenger, and I have the right to get confused by this -in my opinion- stupid behavior of 'some security guy'.

As we discussed, it would be good for a clear decision to be made here.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
The rest of our time was spend in Grand Café 'Het Paleis' in departure lounge 1,

Lovely looking place. The Dutch seem to be very good at these Grand Cafes!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
walked down the fingergate, and was greeted in an very friendly manner. “Hello Sir! There you are again!”, the purser said. Well, you can imagine that I was a bit surprised. I thought where we’ve met before, but apparently she

Always a sign that you're a true frequent flyer...!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
met up with several of our famous tripreporters, we had some good talk (thanks Markus!) while waiting for Hannah, our hard working lady from ZRH who had to close the infodesk first before flying on the LX flight. As real men, we awaited the lady in red at her arrival gate

Haha! I was actually very honoured by the welcome committee, never before have I had so many men waiting for me on arrival!!!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
2. I counted about 25 people all together seated on 3 large tables. Impressive to see so many of us together. I think I speak for everybody when I say that it was a great evening being there all together.

It was indeed, a really successful meeting.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
With TXL on my left, I got a final (?) view of the airport. Goodbye Tegel! You are a great ‘special’ airport.

Yeah, it was quite a strange feeling, wasn't it? Even though I've not used the airport much, it's sad to think of it all closing down.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I’m not keen on using this language though I like to speak it as far as my knowledge reaches.

My sentiments exactly!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
But which really annoyed me on this particular flight is that no crewmember checked the cabin for closed seatbelts, seats in upright position, traytables and handluggage. This IS a lack of safety concern and to be honest, I haven’t seen this on AF before. It really was disinterest of this crew-team. Quite dissappointing!

Yeah that is bad. Let's hope it was a one off.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
For me it’s easy to accept this and she confirms that I am able to sit on 14F. The lady was very friendly, you can feel her professionalism in her voice when she explains about the emergency procedure.

This is something I really like about KL. I have never noticed any other airline explaining the emergency procedure so well to those on the exit row.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I’ll work on quite a backlog of tripreports from various kind of trips, short- and longhauls.

Join the club!

It was good to see you again in Berlin,

Happy flying
Infodesk   



"Do nothing in haste, look well to each step and from the beginning think what may be the end" - Edward Whymper
User currently offlinerogerbcn From Andorra, joined Sep 2006, 1209 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8002 times:

Hola Eric!

Great TR, there was really something missing on a.net without your reports... I am sure better times will come ahead, writing your first TR is a sign that you are overcoming adversity; all the best!  ç

Great pictures! I really enjoyed all of them, great resolution and really nicely shot.

KL seems to deliver a great service, I have not flown them recently but they always seem to be a very well organized airline and providing a friendly customer service.Not so friendly AMS airport service, quite ridiculous not to allow your travel companion through priority check-in.

AF looked OK, nice to hear some good things about them on here. All flights out of TXL were packed that Sunday, Infodesk and mine to ZRH was filled to the grills.The lack of checking all security issues before landing in Paris does not sound very promising, I think they need to work on this non-minor issue.

Finally, great to meet you at TXL and a great thing that all names could be associated to a face. We were quite a bunch of people and I really enjoyed it. Hope we meet again!

All the best! Salut!

Roger



"At reise er at leve" H.C. Andersen (Travelling is Living)
User currently offlineroberts87 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2011, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7724 times:

Nice report Eric. Look like the usual great KLM service!  
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
It almost like to be expected, but the agent from the security company decides that Suryo has to take the regular lane, and seperates us. It's unbelievable when you think about it! So, e.g. a married couple where the husband has status but not the wife, they can't go together.
It's unfair and not customer friendly this way. More over, 3 weeks ago my mother without status was not a problem to use the fast track with me. It confusing, but I am a revenue passenger, and I have the right to get confused by this -in my opinion- stupid behavior of 'some security guy'.

If I'm not mistaken that is the official policy. Only status pax, and no family and/or friends. But it does depend on the officer, I've even gone trough waving my FB Elite card, but holding a SK boarding pass. They should be more consistent.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
For Philip, Central Station area, new EYE Movie Museum and Holland America Cruiseliner

Great views of Amsterdam indeed!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I was not amused by this weather, but also not by reading this registration

Hey, I've seen that plane land and depart  


User currently offlineKnightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1822 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7707 times:

Hi Eric

Great report. I really like the pictures you took. The first one with the sign of Alexanderplatz in black and white is brilliant. So is the one of central Amsterdam you took during climb out. I've tried a couple of times on my trips to Amsterdam to spot the city, but either we came in on the wrong runway or I was sitting on the wrong side!

Hope you had a good time in Berlin.

Cheers,
William


User currently offlinestipica From Croatia, joined Feb 2011, 426 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7597 times:

Hi Eric!
super nice to see your BER report ...

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
It almost like to be expected, but the agent from the security company decides that Suryo has to take the regular lane, and seperates us. It's unbelievable when you think about it! So, e.g. a married couple where the husband has status but not the wife, they can't go together.

did you asked him why they impose double standards ? obviously someone is violating the regulations ... over these things I do not pass quietly

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
in my opinion- stupid behavior of 'some security guy'.

in my opinion it is something much more serious but it is clear that the border with stupidity

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Always had smooth flights here, and I liked this airport more then others because it’s ‘different’. And I like slightly different, sometimes haha.

hahahaha yes E . functional diversity of the airport design no longer exists

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
This is such a beautiful building imho. Not so customer friendly these days, but great architecture!

golden age of Modernism period when a new concept is in the first place
...super nice ... but the French still have the nicest facilities of transport infrastructure

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
You might remember the day I was rebooked by KF ‘faux1’ as some call this airline.

do not write "faux1" a young member could choke while eating a muffin hehehe

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I really had to picture this beautiful B777-300ER. I love these machines!

not me... tooooo loooong not a good proportion 777-200 is much better ....A340-600 was rescued with 4 engines and seemingly massive wings ... but perceptions are different ...
thanks Eric ... stipica  



Open your eyes and think
User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5089 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7448 times:

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
After some time of absence on my side, I try to be back regularly now with tripreports and replies. Sudden changes in private life had some impact and I didn't feel able to write about some trips I made during last months

= Hope things are ok.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I first went to KLM's SkyPriority check-in area to obtain my boarding passes for the flights next day. Somehow online check-in had issues, probably because originally the flight was ex BER but now ex TXL. The very kind agent was happy to assist me and issued me an exit row for the next day free of charge (usually +€15,-).
After this Suryo and I went to security where I can use the fast track..., but since I was travelling together with Suryo, I said we take both the fast track. It almost like to be expected, but the agent from the security company decides that Suryo has to take the regular lane, and seperates us. It's unbelievable when you think about it! So, e.g. a married couple where the husband has status but not the wife, they can't go together.
It's unfair and not customer friendly this way. More over, 3 weeks ago my mother without status was not a problem to use the fast track with me. It confusing, but I am a revenue passenger, and I have the right to get confused by this -in my opinion- stupid behavior of 'some security guy'.

= This is so lame. Why sometimes I feel Europe has become too rigid and too focussed on "rules".

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
This is such a beautiful building imho. Not so customer friendly these days, but great architecture!

= As much as I hate CDG, and would transfer in OUA, I agree  .

Thanks for the report. It is good to see the usual great KL intra-Europe crew. Berlin has been a big slap in the face for German efficiency. I have been at several meetings with privatizing airport builders an they all are laughing at the "German example". Quite sad really. What a fiasco. I mean, these are not small "tethering" issues ... how an airline can not pass a fire safety test is really beyond me.

Saludos,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineakhmad From Netherlands, joined Sep 2005, 2461 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7322 times:

Hey Eric, kameraadje van me,

It was so nice to be on walk- (or fly)about again with you.  


Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
After some time of absence on my side, I try to be back regularly now with tripreports and replies. Sudden changes in private life had some impact and I didn't feel able to write about some trips I made during last

Take your time, Eric. I am delighted that you are back in business.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Suryo aka Ahkmad, who just arrived also at AMS after a 2 hour trip by train.

Long live the NS!   


Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Somehow online check-in had issues, probably because originally the flight was ex BER but now ex TXL.

I forgot to ask you whether you got your ticket reissued. They did it to me for instance.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
t's unbelievable when you think about it! So, e.g. a married couple where the husband has status but not the wife, they can't go together.

If I was your partner, I would have made a fuss.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
The rest of our time was spend in Grand Café 'Het Paleis' in departure lounge 1, where Suryo and I enjoyed some Affligem special beers.

Your good company made it up to the lack of Kasteel and Leffe.   


Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
But at C16 I unfortunately found PH-BXM, well-flown by me during the years, with my last flight on this same aircraft just at last 29th May

I had only been on board of PH-BXE until then, so any other KL’s B738 would be new for me.  


Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
“Hello Sir! There you are again!”, the purser said. Well, you can imagine that I was a bit surprised. I thought where we’ve met before, but apparently she remembered me from 29th May when I flew on a KLM flight from Italy to AMS

The purser was just great! It was good to be on board of KLM again.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
But this example is already 12 years old hence not featuring these screens.

Will KLM refurbish the interior?

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Since it was late afternoon, I decided for a fruity Merlot wine, and was offered additional mineral water by the friendly male flight attendant.

Me too!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Me and Servaas waited on the apron for Suryo, who was finalizing his final checklist in the cockpit.

How excited I was doing my checklist.  


Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I think I speak for everybody when I say that it was a great evening being there all together.

Absolutely!   


Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
We were able to enter the observation deck for free since the ticket machine WAS broken.

Or supposedly broken for our sake.  


Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
. It seems bad luck for me on this trip.

How about calling it déjà vu?

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I’m not keen on using this language though I like to speak it as far as my knowledge reaches.
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
It seems that he was glad that at least 1 person was paying attention to him.

Way to go, Eric!   


Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
KLM proved to be good as always to me, friendly open-minded crews on each flight, attentive service both in the air and also on the ground at the desk.

I could not agree more with you.


It was great to meet you again. Hopefully another meeting later on this year?  


Warmest regards,
Suryo  



Friends forever
User currently offlineAYA333 From Finland, joined Aug 2008, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7233 times:

Hi Eric!

An excellent report with wonderful pictures that make the whole report feel alive! I liked it a lot!

Shame I have never taken a KLM flight! After reading this I think I will have to see what I can do about it 

It was also nice meeting you in Berlin 

Jani



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User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4268 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7176 times:

Hi again and good to read so many replies from you!

Quoting The777Man (Reply 11):
Nice report with nice pictures !
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
great report with many nice pictures!
Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 13):
It's always a pleasure to read reports from you as they are sure to have KLM, Amsterdam Schipol and those crisp and wonderful photos!!
Quoting OA260 (Reply 14):
Great to see you back !
Quoting infodesk (Reply 15):
Thanks for writing this report so fast. A delight to read as always.
Quoting rogerbcn (Reply 16):

Great TR, there was really something missing on a.net without your reports...
Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 18):
Great report. I really like the pictures you took.
Quoting stipica (Reply 19):
super nice to see your BER report
Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 20):
= Hope things are ok.
Quoting akhmad (Reply 21):
I am delighted that you are back in business.
Quoting AYA333 (Reply 22):
An excellent report with wonderful pictures that make the whole report feel alive! I liked it a lot!

Thanks guys and Hannah   . I do my best to make a good selection of pics each time again so glad to hear that they come out well again  
Quoting The777Man (Reply 11):
Perhaps you might even have time to read and comment on my Biman Bangladesh report

Done   Lovely report btw!

Quoting The777Man (Reply 11):
Very unfortunate to fly two aircraft so recently flown by you! I flew the same aircraft yesterday twice in one day(ARN-EWR ,EWR-LAX) and wasn't so happy about that either so I know what that feels like.

That's the hard life of us these days... Sometimes somebody at the airline can do some background control for us to get a preferred registration but sadly not this weekend  
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
I have always had to take them out in Germany.

Me too, the big bag. But I've a really small one with anti-insect liquid in my bag. That particular one I had to take out (maybe a small 10ml quantity it is)

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
I fully support these kinds of certified products.

  

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
We should try to arrange a meeting on that TXL-SVO flight.

I'm in! Let's drop a date soon  
Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 13):
Berlin is the old and the new, very much like the 747-8i, it's the old and the new

Great isn't it? Good to compare this way!

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 13):
How nice to have met up first with Suryo

Sure we live quite far from eachother for regular meets but get along quite well together so we had to make up some time!

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 13):
I read these things about KLM I long to fly them someday. I think they will probably be my number one airline when I do, and take away the title from Malaysia Airlines.

No ... not from MH. I love MH's attentive service a lot. But that's on longhaul. Shorthaul 737 flights, yes maybe KL is better.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 13):
Oh my who is that aviator that fell to the ground behind you, and was instantly frozen into stone

I feel sorry for this poor guy. He will be on the ground forever even when the airport is gone next year  
Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 13):
I'm assuming it's English with everyone, considering most of the other a.netters came from other European countries. Or is there another language other than English everyone is comfortable to speak in?

Mainly English spoken, but I spoke Dutch with the Dutch members or I speak German with e.g. Flieger67 or PH etc. But it all depends on the moment haha

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 13):
I don't know if I would call the Boeing 777-300ER beautiful? For me it's the A340-600.

True, A346 is beautiful looking. I love flying the A346 also. But I know 77W quite well since I worked on this plane (flight ops) from the early days when they entered my airline and was always impressed by it's capabilities to get the max out of this frame. Sadly I'm not directly in the industry anymore these days.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 13):
Landed just twice before inbound and outbound on Kuwait Airways and I have to say the weather was great. This was 96 and 97, and I still recall passing some football fields, building block of apartments and then slammed onto the runway by our cowboy KU pilot!!

Sounds like a runway 27 landing. Did you continue all the way to ORD on the B772/A343 service from KU?

Quoting OA260 (Reply 14):
Remember one door closes and another one opens and often is for the good

So true Philip. I start to realize this more day by day.  
Quoting infodesk (Reply 15):
Shame you didn't manage to log any new aircraft, but you had some good flights on KL again plus a smooth transfer at CDG, so I guess that makes up for it a bit.

The weekend itself was most important so I didn't really care, though it would've been a nice bonus with something new.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 15):
As we discussed, it would be good for a clear decision to be made here.

Indeed, consistency has to be done here. That's were it's all about.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 15):
The Dutch seem to be very good at these Grand Cafes!

You remember our meet with Suryo and your husband in Amsterdam? That's another great Grand Café where you've been yourself.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 15):
never before have I had so many men waiting for me on arrival!!!

How did it feel?  
Quoting rogerbcn (Reply 16):
Not so friendly AMS airport service, quite ridiculous not to allow your travel companion through priority check-in.

It's a 3rd party company taking care for this 'service' and some staff feel very important in doing their job.

Quoting rogerbcn (Reply 16):
All flights out of TXL were packed that Sunday, Infodesk and mine to ZRH was filled to the grills.

Like all these people came to Berlin to fly out of the new airport that day. I think that's the reason for these high numbers of travellers that day.

Quoting rogerbcn (Reply 16):
Hope we meet again!

I told you... BCN hopefully later this year  
Quoting roberts87 (Reply 17):
Look like the usual great KLM service!

Indeed! We can be happy with KL these days, can't we?

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 17):
If I'm not mistaken that is the official policy. Only status pax, and no family and/or friends. But it does depend on the officer, I've even gone trough waving my FB Elite card, but holding a SK boarding pass. They should be more consistent.

That's it Robert! Consistency!

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 17):
Hey, I've seen that plane land and depart

Nothing happened without a picture LOL  
Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 18):
I've tried a couple of times on my trips to Amsterdam to spot the city, but either we came in on the wrong runway or I was sitting on the wrong side!

Bad luck William... Even I don't see such clear views on Amsterdam usually. Just lucky with the departure runway and clear weather.

Quoting stipica (Reply 19):
did you asked him why they impose double standards ? obviously someone is violating the regulations

This person was feeling great playing his role as 'boarding pass checker' and making an issue about it.

Quoting stipica (Reply 19):
do not write "faux1" a young member could choke while eating a muffin hehehe

*sorry*. I hope the muffins still pass the test though!

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 20):
Why sometimes I feel Europe has become too rigid and too focussed on "rules".

I think it's more about the people doing these jobs. Low educational standard facing customers who expect some 'service'. But they don't seem to realize.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 20):
Berlin has been a big slap in the face for German efficiency. I have been at several meetings with privatizing airport builders an they all are laughing at the "German example". Quite sad really. What a fiasco.

True Alex! But how do you think about my feeling that this mix of 'Germany' and 'Berlin' make a perfect couple? From all German cities, I felt most home in Berlin so far. Followed by Hamburg and Munich btw.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 21):
It was so nice to be on walk- (or fly)about again with you.

Same feelings here mate!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 21):
Long live the NS!

Ah you had a good trip Suryo. No reason to feel bad about it.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 21):
I forgot to ask you whether you got your ticket reissued. They did it to me for instance.

Yes they did, about 1,5 week before the flight.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 21):
Will KLM refurbish the interior?

Don't think so. Installing these screens is quite difficult I heard before.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 21):
Hopefully another meeting later on this year?

We do, with Daniel joining us too.

Quoting AYA333 (Reply 22):
After reading this I think I will have to see what I can do about it

Looking forward to it Jani!

Regards
Eric



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Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7158 times:
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Hi Eric,

Nice read and pictures, thanks for sharing your flights with us.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I walked down the fingergate, and was greeted in an very friendly manner. “Hello Sir! There you are again!”, the purser said. Well, you can imagine that I was a bit surprised. I thought where we’ve met before, but apparently she remembered me from 29th May when I flew on a KLM flight from Italy to AMS. This is what I call great attentive service.

- That's great you were remembered on this flight, I had a similar experience a few months back, I'd not seen the FA for about 15 years but she remembered me, she looked great 'still' too!..............

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
The busride was very pleasant and the meeting was already up and running for sure. Good talk everywhere, really nice! About 30 minutes later we got off and walked to the restaurant near Alexanderplatz where we would spend most of the night, enjoying a great meal and a beer or 2. I counted about 25 people all together seated on 3 large tables. Impressive to see so many of us together. I think I speak for everybody when I say that it was a great evening being there all together.

- Sounds great, shame I was not able to attend this one, all being well the March opening is good for me....

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Goodbye Tegel! You are a great ‘special’ airport.

- Agreed, TXL is a great airport, love it's spotting facilities and the internal layout, far too small for today's passenger numbers, bot something so special.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
no crewmember checked the cabin for closed seatbelts, seats in upright position, traytables and handluggage.

- That's quite poor from a safety point of view.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
We taxied along the -very beautiful piece of architecture- terminal 1

- Interesting view point, I have thought T1 to be the most ghastly facility I know.

Cheers

Mark



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25 Post contains images FlyingFinn76 : Hi Eric, Good to read your account on last weekend at TXL. Again looks strangely familiar with those KLM flights as I took one to the meeting some hou
26 Post contains images FlyingFinn76 : Hi Eric, Good to read your account on last weekend at TXL. Again looks strangely familiar with those KLM flights as I took one to the meeting some hou
27 Post contains images 717Flyer : Hi Eric! What a great feeling to read yet another view of the Berlin meeting - needless to say it was a great day and very nice to meet you as well! W
28 Post contains images Parton87 : Hoi Eric! Thanks for the good report and you were really quick You will not see mine until at least when I´m return from Hungary A really enjoyable w
29 Post contains images signol : Hi Eric, Nice report, another good view of events in BER Good to see you managed to get some extra sectors in, and you were lucky (or rather, not unlu
30 Post contains images airbuseric : Hi again! Thanks for your replies guys Wow then you both made good impression on each other Looking forward to have a few beers again with you! Also m
31 MSS658 : Hi Eric Nice to see your reports up again. First of all it was great meeting you again in Berlin. KLM seemed to have preformed great as usual. concern
32 Post contains images adamspotter : Hoi Eric, Great to see a report from you again. Excellent report as always. Too bad I couldn't make it to the meet, maybe next time Nice service indee
33 airbuseric : Hi Marc & Brendan! Thanks guys! As always! And I'm sure we do it again some day Sorry to hear that. Usually I'm left with a good impression about
34 FLIEGER67 : Hoi, Eric, really good to follow you´re story, well done. And sorry for the late reading by me, heavy travels, you know. You´re welcome anytime, Eri
35 Post contains images deltamartin : Hi Eric! Great report, just as usual! Seems like you guys had a great time in Berlin. I really love your pictures of the town. Haha, yeah one can't be
36 Post contains images airbuseric : Hi M's, Thanks! You know, also busy on my side. No need to excuse Thank you I'll get to read that report soon also Martin. I might have to do some AB
37 gabrielchew : Nice report Eric...i'm finally starting to read everyone elses reports! Yes, not a very good way to treat partners of your Elites Looks tasty Haha Grr
38 Post contains images airbuseric : Hi Gab, thanks and sorry for getting back to you after a while later though Hehe me too, walking behind with basically everything here... writing... r
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