SR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1702 posts, RR: 42 Posted (10 years 11 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7970 times:
Due to a request to write this report here it is. It was a FRA-JFK-FRA roundtrip done back in November 2000. I was on my way to Boston for a school trip. Some of you already know what the flight was like. For the others, please be warned it is far less than a flattering Singapore Airlines report.
Singapore Airlines 026
Frankfurt-New York JFK
Check In: As it was a Sunday the counters were packed with people at 6:15am. The flight looked like it was running full. Staff were helpful and managed to get me a window seat with two of my friends sitting next to me. Bags were checked in all the way through to Boston on TWA though boarding passes were not issued.
Boarding: We began boarding at 8:00 and I was assigned 39A so I was one of the last onboard. I was welcomed onboard by the IFS with a smile. The last smile I saw on the flight. Reached the seat and was a bit disappointed but it was alright. PTV's looked nice and certainly bigger than the UA 777 I had flown across the Atlantic with 2 weeks later. We pushed back exactly at 8:30.
The Flight: Hot towels were passed out followed by breakfast. I don't have the menu for this so all I can say is that they ran out of my choice and gave me the omelet which was the only thing left. It was ok, never really found the eggs served on planes to be good. The pocket TV was nice and kept me and my "non-aviation" friends busy. There were no walk around, crew did answer the call button when I asked for a coke. A light snack was served before arrival, no idea what, sorry! Like a mini heated quiche or something. Throughout the flight the crew had no smiles, just did their job, like it was an LH flight!
Arrival: We landed in the brand new terminal 1 and it was something really good. We collected our bags in no time and were off to the TWA terminal for our flight to Boston.
Singapore Airlines 025
Frankfurt-New York JFK
Check In: We landed at 3:30 from Boston on TWA so we had plenty of time to check in. The counter just opened at 4:30 when we got there. We managed to get some good seats and were told that the flight was 100% full tonight. We went into the terminal and my friends started bombarding me with questions regarding planes and I answered willingly! Hey when else are you the "know it all?"
Boarding: Boarding started at roughly 8:45 and we were on first having seat 57A. My friends were seated next to me which was good. A steward welcomed us onboard and pointed to our seats. We backed away from the gate at 9:30, no reason given. Worse came when we sat on the side till 9:55. We eventually took off at 10:30, over an hour late. Not one announcement as to why we were late.
The Flight: Hot towels were handed out first and menus were handed out after take off but not to all. As I was about to put my hand out to get mine, she walked away. As she went back down the isle a minute or two later I asked her for a menu and this was the response. "We are only serving menus to people who need them. I'm sure you'll want the vegetarian option anyway!" and walked away. At this point one of my American friends that were sitting next to me with a smirk on his faces said "So this is the Singapore Airlines warmth you talk about!" My other German friend that was between the two of us at this point, said something I had not noticed. "You know who the people who need menus are? They are all the 'Caucasians' on this flight!" I said "what?" As I looked around he was right. Every person that had a menu was American or German. In my group there was another Indian and a Turkish, neither of them had a menu either! Either way my freind gave me his menu and this is what it said.
Braised Fillet of Fish in Black Bean Sauce
Seasoned Mixed Vegatbles, Steamed Rice
Sauteed Chicken with Fresh Herb and Mushrooms
Vegetable Medley, Roast Sable Potatoes
Cheese and Crakers
Apple & Pecan Nut Pie
Coffee - Tea
Choice of Juices
Fresh Fruit Appetiser
Assorted Breakfast Rools
Butter - Fruit Preserve
Coffee - Tea
I tried to watch mt PTV but guess what? It was not working. I checked to see if my freinds TV's were working and they were. I waited for another memeber of the cabin crew to come round instead of you know who! When a male steward came round, he said "Wait till we reset the system." I said fine, but nothing ever happened. No audio, no video.
Then the meal came with the "wonderful" stewardess. I was about to say chicken. Before anything came out of my mouth a tray with a vegetarian dish was slapped in front of me. "Ma'am I would like the chicken, not this please." "We have to save the non-vegetarian for the people that need it!" At this point I lost it. "Look lady, I did not order a vegetarian meal and I certainly am not vegetarian. I can see that you have enough Beef and chicken in the cart. Why won't you give me my choice?" "Because I need to conserve the dishes for the ones that need it!" At this point both my friends were like "just take my chicken, don't give her the satisfaction!" I said no and started an argument. She just walked away as I started off on her.
It looked like some sort of Spinache with green pasta. I found it dry, leathery and tasteless. As she came to collect the try, she snipped at me, "Are you done or not?" "yes" "Then hurry up and give it to me!"
After the meal was cleared, my freind said he wanted to go to sleep, and said I could use his entertainment system. I plugged my headphones in his armrest and watched a quick movie and then put the music channel on.Throughout the flight, the other stewardesses were polite if not robotic as usual but the "wonderful" stewardess was so rude to the non-caucasian passengers it was unbelievable. When this paticular stewardess came round to serve drinks she automatically skipped my row every single time. In the end I jumped over my freinds to go to the galley to get a small bottle of water. Thankfully I managed to get another stewardess and she smiled and gave me a bottle and asked if I would like anything else? I told her that my PTV was not working and that I was using my freinds. "I am so sorry about that." She then handed me a pen in a black case. "Please accept this as an apology from me." I said thank you. I looked at the pen and it was what Raffles Class passengers get, having flown RC often I know this. This is the legendary SQ that I have been used to for years!
Breakfast was served and it consisted of a crossaint, butter and jam. Bread was offered twice. I ordered tea and the "stewaredess" runs out of teawith a snipe "Just wait for it!"During breakfast an Italian woman asked for tea and at last minute changed her mind to coffee. "Look, I don't have time to play these games, you want tea or coffee, make up your damn mind!" Wow, so she was mean to everyone! I saw quite a few passengers giving her dirty looks now. We began our decent and touched down at 11:15, over 30 minutes late.
Arrival: During disembarkation I got halted at the galley and she was there with a frown on her face. As the line moved forward I said the following. "I will never fly Singapore Airlines again after receiving service from you. You are a bi*ch and I hope some day someone will write you up on your 'service skills'! At this point the entire section started applauding! I then walked off and I my freind smaked me on the back and said, "Man you were too lienent on her!" Immigration was a breeze and bags were out when I got there. I have never been so happy to get off an airplane and into freezing Germany.
I wrote the letter within 2 days of arrival and sent it to the SQ office in FRA. Not a single word came back. I even talked to a freind that works for SQ in BOM. She had no idea why they would not reply me. She insisted I write another letter and this time to SIN. It was too late. I had thrown everything out as it had been over a year and had moved from Germnay to the US. I had no idea what her name was anymore and so on. It was SQ's decision not to answer me!
Singapore Airlines is not an airline I am every going to fly if I can help it. Service has been going down for years and this was the last straw. 1 excellent stewardess compared to the others isn't enough! If SR, CX, KL etc can have great cabin crew in numbers, why can't SQ? I know this is not what most of you SQ people like to hear but I think you have to face reality, SQ is changing and it is not for the better. I have heard countless times of people switching to CX, EK and even UA because of the service on SQ. I'll only fly SQ when every other airline is booked, including NW & DL!!!
Congratulations Singapore Airlines, you have managed to lose a loyal customer who has been flying SQ for over 15 years, a customer who has flown over 3 Oceans and 4 Continents with you in First, Raffles and Economy. A customer who once upon a time said he would never fly anything but the airline with the Singapore Girl!
767er From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1092 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7637 times:
SR103 That was very good
Singapore_Air: what do you mean about 'Please choose another airline in future'. What, can't you handle a bit of criticism about your beloved SQ? The FA was a complete and utter bitch lets' face it and SR103 had every right to say what he said. I take my hat off to him. I wonder if she eventually got the sack...lets all hope so
Ryanair!!! From Singapore, joined Mar 2002, 4653 posts, RR: 27 Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7607 times:
My my ... I felt offended just reading it. It does not reflect well on Singaporeans at all. I hope that it was just her that was like that on that flight. At least someone was nice enough to pass you a pen from Raffles.
I shall not say anymore. SQ Sucks... period. I am not a fan, now you all know why?
Welcome to my starry one world alliance, a team in the sky!
Ryanair!!! From Singapore, joined Mar 2002, 4653 posts, RR: 27 Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7595 times:
Maybe I am taking this way too seriously... but I kept putting myself in your shoes and the I felt way I felt during my similar treatment on my SYD-SIN flight, kept playing again and again in my mind. I would have brought the matter up to the In-flight Supervisor because knowing SQ (face saving and all...) something would have been done about it immediately.
It is one thing to receive mediocre service, but another to be treated with disrespect. It brings service to a whole new unchallenged low. In fact, I am so troubled by this post that I cannot even concentrate on my work!
So much for surfing during working hours!
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9V-SPK From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2001, 1646 posts, RR: 6 Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7576 times:
Bad expereicne you've got SR103, and to bw honest if that F.A really had that altitude i'm gonna kick her ass and I'd swear that I'm gonna make charges on her and on SQ! UNACCEPTABLE altitude. I belive it seems that she's the one that had such a bad altitude, and because of her passengers would think that "What Kind Of Airline and service is that".
Thank god I have no yet had one moment of bad experience on them for the time being after hundreds of flights with them. I hope I won't have such a bad experience or so as I'm flying SQ again on Sat! Looking forward for my trip though!
SQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1792 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7563 times:
SR103, you know, it is not just passengers who realise that SQ's inflight service has gone down the drain. Whenever I meet my ex-colleagues who are still with the company, they also agree with me that these Singapore Girls nowadays are just interested in flying to some fashion capital to buy their Prada bags so that they can show it off to whoever.
There are also plenty of service procedures that many crew do not adhere to. On my recent flight to ORD, I brought this up my friend, who works in SQ, and he just shook his head and said that if the cabin crew division doesn't pull up its socks, there is nothing anyone else can do.
All that said and done, I will still fly SQ. Not for the inflight service that others talk about, but for the fact that it is still a reliable airline, and I know that SQ's station manager will take care of his passengers should there be a major flight disruption. I have heard horror stories of horrific ground service on some airlines where passengers were left to their own devices during delays.
B737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7529 times:
Ohh, those SQ reports don't sound very good lately. I'm going to fly SQ this summer for the first time and I guess after having read some reports now that CX would have been a lot better.
Mh, we'll see.
Ryanair!!! From Singapore, joined Mar 2002, 4653 posts, RR: 27 Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 7493 times:
Hey all... let me sum it all up. SQ, at the end of the day, is still not that bad of an airline. It has its bad days, like SR103's, and mine, but it is still far superior compared to major competitors similar routes. Agreed?
Think of what the people in the US have to endure when they fly... SQ does not seem that bad, does it?
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SR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1702 posts, RR: 42 Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7475 times:
The flight was in the first week of November 2000. Thats all I can tell you since I have thrown all the information away. I flew to the US 3 times that month so the dates are a blur. Something like the 5th to the 8th. Sorry no exact information. And believe me I am am choosing another airline!
Jaysit: You know there are times when you think back and say, "I wish I had done..." This is one of them. I guess you could call me chicken in way as I did not want to start anything with the crew. Plus why should I be the only one to complain? The entire back section felt the same way as me. I only lost it towards the end of the flight.
Ryanair: I agree that SQ is an ok airline. I know what you mean by US airlines but the two trips to the US that same month were on a combination of LH & UA and I can tell you that UA was really good. I have no problem saying UA is a better airline for me to fly with. Once upon a time I did HKG-SFO-HKG when I lived in Hong Kong and one flight was with UA and the other with SQ. The situation was the opposite back then!
To everyone else who is flying SQ, don't worry. SQ is ok, but I would give CX a harder look next time. They are an airline I have been flying for over 15 years as well and all I can say is the service has remainded the same, EXCELLENT!!!
Ilyushin96M From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2609 posts, RR: 14 Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7421 times:
I'm always amazed to read reports about flight attendants who behave this way, and even more surprised that no one hauls off and clocks them into next week. I'm certain if I had been treated the way SR 103 was, I would have raised hell with the lead flight attendant and gotten that nasty bitch fired.
I have read many reports about Singapore Airlines, and it seems they have taken a decidedly different tone in the past several months. Too bad service is going down the tubes all over the world.
Interesting report, nonetheless. And also sad that the airline never responded to your letter.
SQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1792 posts, RR: 5 Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7367 times:
Well, Ilyushin96M, it will take more than raising hell to get that FA fired.
Again, I must admit that inflight service on my national carrier has been sliding in recent years. It is largely the attitude of the cabin crew, and perhaps how the company puts them on tight schedules, with less than the recommended crew complement on each flight. They have become a disgruntled lot nowadays.
Anyway, I used to work for the airline, and had the opportunity to see how the crew behaved once all passengers had disembarked. The number of 4 lettered words those dainty sarong kebaya clad Singapore Girls used in their conversations were simply MIND BLOWING! I went through the army, but my vocabulary of vulgarities was no where close to theirs!
There was once I overhead a conversation between 2 FAs about another foreign crew who was obviously in a good mood and greeting every ground staff and incoming crew she met) just as they were about to handover their duties to the incoming crew. It went something like this:
FSS1: I don't understand why the F*#K she should be in such a good mood. What's there to be happy about, she never flies anywhere else but this route... she's such a bitch!
FSS2: Yeah... I really feel like giving her a tight slap, then see whether she can still smile or not.
You can say that I was shocked beyond words to hear something like this being uttered by the two junior crew... crew who cannot tolerate another crew who might be nicer than them, crew who are bent on spreading their lousy attitude to the rest of the team....
Well, anyway, I took note of their names and sent a really nasty letter to the cabin crew division. I doubt anything could be done, as the crew concerned would probably have denied everything.
Ex_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1435 posts, RR: 6 Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7337 times:
Eh, SQ772, you only heard the f-word. I heard the "CB" word from one of those pretty things once. Too many lians!!! Bet none of them went to your sister schools! Or to mine either, for that matter! haha!
Singapore 777 From Singapore, joined May 1999, 1006 posts, RR: 3 Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7331 times:
Because now very few locals actually want to go and be a stewardess. The idea is that a stewardess is basically a high-class waitress in the sky so most people are discouraged by this idea. That leaves us with basically "lians".
SQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1792 posts, RR: 5 Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7327 times:
Well, looks like the main pillars in SQ are the Lians.
I have heard more than the F word from the sweet thing's mouth. I just didn't write it down. Besides, their language was so colorful and creative... I didn't know they could do so many things with their Mother (bu) and Fathers (lao peh).... Awesome! Their language would have put my RSM to shame!
Sq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1584 posts, RR: 21 Reply 23, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7250 times:
when I travelled from LAX to SIN via TPE on SQ 029, I stayed onboard the aircraft though everyone was asked to deboard the plane, namely because I was at the time with a friend of mine who worked for SQ. Actually, the ground staff at Taipei treated me as an SQ staff as well.
Out of what I gathered of seing the crew for the first time after all the pax had left, was that they were all nice and smiling, helping the cleaning crews and checkng if everything had been cleared from the plane (hand luggage), and then greeting the incoming crew and leaving the plane, with each crew who served us waving good bye to us...but then again, that set of crew were the best I had ever eperienced on any airline...they were so nice throughout the flight...amazingly, all of them were really nice...first and last time that has happened on any flight so far for me...I was really impressed with that batch of crew...
But rather the ground staff at TPE are total jackasses...they were very rude and when I asked if I could leave the plane 20 mins into the 1:10 hrs stop over to have water (they turn off the watering systems of the plane when its on the ground) they scoffed and made a big deal of it...and mockingly said yes...god....and just their overall attitude was all off...so wasnt too pleased with them...
Despite the crew of that SQ 029, when I flew from NRT to LAX on SQ 012, most of the crew were really bitchy, specially this one LSS who skipped my row for drinks and menus, and hot towels...and only came back later with a fake apology and a frown...she was pretty, but VERY bitchy...its FAs like her that you feel like bitching out...anyway...she and other FAs were making fun off pax by stating their seat numbers in the galley....very smart seing that SQ 012 is a night flight and the cabin was mostly quiet and pax sitting near them and pax going to the toilet could hear them making fun of (meaning basically bitching about) those pax and other pax...
but, overall, SQ has been a good airline to fly for me, as Ive had many more good experinces with them than I have had bad, and they continue to be my favoured airline to fly, but then again, I havent had the ghastly experience SR 103 has had...in which case Id make it a point not to fly SQ again...
SQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1792 posts, RR: 5 Reply 24, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7201 times:
Singapore777, there is nothing wrong with cursing and swearing vulgarities (I do that all the time). However, I do feel that there should always be a place and time to for such things. Swearing while a crew is officially still on duty (even though no pax are around) is definitely a no no.
I know those SQ girls aren't exactly angels, trust me, I have heard they way they talk whenever I joined them for meals during layover. But they should at least behave themselves while in uniform.
Young school girls swearing? Which school are you from? I assume you are talking about secondary school? I went to an all boys school from Pri 1 to Sec 4, even then, I hardly heard any vulgarities coming from the guys. Times have changed...
There's always a better way to fly...
25 Singapore 777: I'm now studying for a diploma. Previously I was also in an all-boys school and trust me the amount of swearing coming out is enough to drown you!
26 Ryanair!!!: At the end of the day, as I have said in my previous post in another thread, it depends on the team. Some teams have IFSs that can motivate the crew t
27 SQ772: Just one comment. QUALITY. Although I agree there are rules, but rules are there for a certain reason. The biggest problem with our crew is quality an
28 Ryanair!!!: Or maybe they simply cannot say "hot towel"?
29 Auswnfan: It's nice to see that I not the only one who has received less than stellar service from "the World's most arrogant airline!"
30 Continental: Ok, why is everyone always ripping on LH? Throughout the flight the crew had no smiles, just did their job, like it was an LH flight! What are you tal
31 Blink182: I think if Flight crews want to cuss, feel free to, but only when it is appropriate. Everybody has their right of speech(in the USA at least). However
32 747-fan: Actually, I personally feel SQ service has been improving. I fly them every few months or so between SIN-LHR and recently their inflight entertainment
33 SR 103: Did I complain about LH's service? I have noticed you defend Lufthansa quite a bit. Just remember not everyone has the same opinion as you. I have liv
34 Businessflyer: The quality of SQ's staff does seem to vary wildly. I recently had to spend a day in Delhi and had the same crew going out there as coming back. They
35 Ex_SQer: Yes, Businessflyer is right - the quality of SQ's staff (not just crew - all staff) varies widely. This problem isn't confined to SQ, though... I have
36 9V-SVA: Kanninabu cheebai nabei you all! I guess my command of vulgar language is more than them, as I use THEM everyday! Honestly, it's their choice. But at
37 Navega: So happy to have this come out in the open. SQ Refuses to take the STAR ALLIANCE surveys onboard it's flights and now I know why. Not that they are ba