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Norway, Part I: OTP-FRA-OSL, LH, A320  
User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2284 posts, RR: 7
Posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10491 times:

Norway, Part I: To Oslo.

As always, comments, questions and criticism are appreciated.

I'm sorry for the quality of some of the pictures included. You know how it can be when there's not enough light.

I've been itching to go to Norway for a long time. As a reasonable goal, I thought that I should go either this summer (2012) or the next one (2013). For a while, due to cost of going to this nation, I wanted to put it off until 2013. Nevertheless, in the end I couldn't resist when I saw a fare on expedia.com for 199 Euros for the route OTP-FRA-OSL/OSL-VIE-OTP. I almost immediately proceeded to book it.

Now, this meant I would be in Norway for 10 days—this isn't exactly a cheap place to visit, but doing a quick back of the envelope calculation I realized it wouldn't be a problem. I rarely spend money on stuff other than travel (well, aside from food of course) so I was pretty confident. In the end, this trip cost me about 200USD/160 EUR a day, which seems like a decent budget amount for Norway (this was sharing a double room).

Next step, where would I go? Well, Bergen and Trondheim for sure, and Svalbard would have to be there. Afterwards, Bodø, with its aviation museum, and Tromsø were added to the list. Aalesund was another suggestion—but it didn't work out—it's on my list for a future trip to Norway in a few years, though.

So, here's the final plan:
Day 1: OTP-FRA-OSL, LH, A320
Day 2: Oslo-Bergen by train (thanks FlyingFinn, I knew it would be scenic, but this surpassed my expectations)
Day 4: BGO-TRD, SK, B735
Day 5: Trondheim-Bodo by train
Day 6: BOO-SKN-TOS, WF, DH8A (Dash 8-100)
Day 8: TOS-LYR, SK, B738
Day 9: LYR-OSL, SK, B737
Day 10: OSL-VIE-OTP, OS, F100

In case it doesn't show up here, SKN=Stokmarknes Skagen Airport. LYR=Longyearbyen Airport.

I will not only write and post pictures about the flights, but also add general impressions about the places (cities), hotels and restaurants I visited on my journey, hopefully to help anyone else planning a cheap (for Norway) trip to Norway.

Anyway, let's go.

LH1423, OTP-FRA
Aircraft: A320-200
Reg: D-AIQE (Gera)
STD-STA: 06:25-08:10
July 8th, 2012

*first flight on LH*

The cheap ticket means a cheap sleep for the night—I only managed about 3 or so hours of sleep (which frankly is even better than expected), but I had no problems waking up at around 4:00, with a taxi ordered the previous night. It was still dark, but the bags were already waiting at the door, and once I added my laptop and did my “why do I do this to myself” o'clock routine, I was ready to go and catch my cab.

The guy was friendly enough but asked me if I would agree to have an unmetered journey... I understand why he wanted to do that, but I don't feel comfortable doing so. Not because he'd try to rip me off, but simply because I'm not comfortable doing so. The fare for 16km ended up being 25 RON, which means ~6 EUR—taxis in Bucharest aren't more expensive during night-time. I tipped him fairly well, although he didn't get all the 30 RON in his pocket as he wanted, haha. The idea is that you have to be careful with taxi drivers—if you don't speak Romanian, make sure the meter is on. They (usually) won't object to that. Also, don't take one of the “airport taxis” into town—they're about 3 times more expensive than normal ones. More about how to get into Bucharest on the return journey--in a later part.

Anyway, at around 4:15 or 4:30 I got to OTP, and being so early I had enough time to take pics of the departure hall before using the new self-service check-in machines they have recently installed—and that often don't work or no one knows how to use!

Pics:



FIDS—for arrivals, as the departures pic I have is not good:


Then I got in line. Ahead of me were a college-aged Filipino (I'm almost sure) kid trying to check-in for a flight to the USA via LH. It didn't seem to be going to well. In another line, some Turkish or Arab guys (one of whom spoke Romanian) were trying to check-in for a TK flight—didn't seem to be working, so they asked me to help—didn't work for me either. Then they asked the attendant—he told them “oh yeah, Turkish usually doesn't work, please go to the desk”. Very well handled, right? Anyway, a really multicultural queue this morning!

Anyway, while still in line, a Moldovan guy asks me to help. So I ask what flight he's on. He was on a Blue Air flight to London I think... Obviously Blue Air doesn't have a self-service check-in capability, so he'd have to wait for counters to open—I tell him this. He then proceeds to sadly ask me, “But why doesn't Blue Air have this facility?” Well, I'm not sure what to say, so I say “well, you know, Blue Air has problems with technology sometimes”. In fact, I suppose there must be someone to collect the money if you fail to check-in online.

Finally my turn—no problems, and in less than 60 seconds I got my boarding passes for my 2 flights today.

Then came my turn to drop-off my baggage. The queue was not long—only about 40 people or so. In no more than 30 minutes I was getting close to one of the 3 agents working this morning.

Austrian:


Yeah, no kidding, no more queues, huh, Austrian? Well, at least this kept me entertained for the 10 minutes I was next to it—in fact, soon after, my travel partner—let's call her M—found me and joined me in line—she'd already dropped off her bags at the categorically more efficient SkyTeam counters for her KLM flights. Anyway, soon I was through and dropped off my checked-in bag. The process at the desk only lasted about a minute, so not too bad.

Queue:


The check-in desks are to my left, and the line started on my right and snaked around the pole holding the ceiling up before coiling back towards the desks. Yeah, and it didn't seem to be moving that fast, either. The guys in the middle seem to be very confused about what was going on, as there was an Alitalia queue as well, almost merging into the LH/OS queue.

As usual in OTP, security was fast and efficient and I was through in no time—none of the “take your shoes off” stupidity either. By the time I was in the terminal dawn had already broken—how nice of it to do so. That said, terminal pics don't seem to be that great:




Anyway, OTP is actually quite an efficient airport once you get past the check-in desks (I hate queueing with a passion!)

Boarding was called at 6:00 am and I waited for all the Americans to board (there were a lot of them for some reason—English was spoken only with an American accent, it seemed). Then I proceeded to board, alongside The flight wasn't full, perhaps 60% if that--not unreasonable for a Sunday morning I suppose.

New OTP is surprisingly pic-friendly. No comments and a lot of glass walls, which permit photography, albeit with a lot of reflections:


Wizzair:


Blue Air, at a jetway, but not using it:




NEK cabin, of course, and the legroom isn't bad—nor do the seats look ugly, until you put your tray-table down. Afterwards, it looks like the LH magazine is wearing underwear.

Also, the seat next to me, 14E, remained empty, so that was pretty nice of LH—though I don't think they did it on purpose!







I've seen better looking cabins to be honest—not a big fan of the anorexic seats.

I know you guys like this sort of shot:


What did Lufthansa serve me on this segment?
Apple juice and a chicken and leek (I think) roll... It wasn't too bad, but a bit too salty for my taste. I expected more of a breakfast food at 6 am, but I was pleased with the offering for this 2h 15' flight to FRA.

The meal:


Approaching rainy (what else?) FRA:


We landed on runway 07R, if I'm not mistaken, and taxied until close to the end of the runway, got out, crossed 07C/25C and then headed back to a very, very, very far away bus-transfer parking position. On the other hand, I saw both the 748 (meh, the classic 744 looks better IMO) and 787 (very good looking in person). Also, a Condor 753, not bad for a few minutes in FRA.





Last view of D-AIQE:


Overall, an above average impression of LH, but the service seemed rather cold and impersonal. Still, the crew was friendly upon disembarkation, I think that maybe they didn't enjoy the early hours either. I was decently awake, but my German skills are minimal, maybe that had something to do with it? I greeted them in German upon disembarkation and they were more friendly—who knows!

Into the bus, and not 3 minutes later it started raining—and didn't stop, at least not until I'd left FRA. We arrived at the non-Schengen arrivals and got pretty quickly to the agent. To my left was a fellow with an Indonesian passport who seemed to be having a hard time. The other agent called my agent over and they tried solving the problem together. I think he was missing a needed document... Anyway, I used my minimal German with the agent, and soon after I was through—but not before the agent asked me where I lived. Oh well, not too bad.

Now comes the bad part. FRA is indeed, as I have been told, a sub-mediocre airport, at least in the areas I passed through (concourses A and B). Security was slow and disorganized—some people in the queue were admitted through going ahead of people who were supposedly ahead of them in the queue—this was at an agent's orders. That kinda pissed me off and is something I'd expect in France and Italy, not Germany. In fact I mistakenly answered the agent “si” instead of “ja”... It didn't help that I felt in a Latin country or that I was again half-asleep or that there were Spanish girls ahead of me in line. Oh well, then I managed to switch to German, heh.

Then again, I didn't complain, my flight arrived early and I wasn't in a hurry. After a good 20 minutes I was finally through (total time). Then came the journey to the bunker between the A and B concourses.

And now, for something completely different.

FRAport logic:
“Hey guys, how will we get people down to the bunker?”
“Well, elevators for disabled people, of course. And everyone else can use the stairs!”

So, FRAport... have you heard of escalators? They are these things that don't create bottlenecks like elevators do and people with children and bad knees can use them too! Not to mention people with baggage.

Yeah, I don't remember any other airport which required you to go up/down three flights of stairs or wait in the elevator-queue, which wasn't organized at all, BTW.

FRAport logic:
“Hey guys, let's give our passengers a chance to get a quick cup of coffee with some coffee machines”
“Great, let's have a few tables too so people can sit”
“Excellent! Where shall we put them?”
“How about right next to the toilets?”

Great thinking, FRAport! I want my coffee aroma getting mixed with some of that piss-aroma coming from the toilets—which BTW are quite dirty. I thought in 2004 that only the non-schengen toilets in FRA are dirty and smelly. Nope, it seems I was wrong, they're all (the ones that I sampled) “not very appetizing”.

FRAport logic:


Not sure if FRA is worse than CDG, but actually, there are cases in which I'd tell people to use CDG rather than deal with FRA. There's little natural light, there's relatively little artificial light... It really does recall a different era... Let's demolish these concourses. I know Germany can do better.

BTW, those who voted no on MUC's third runway... Shame on you! I thought only Romanians can shoot themselves in the foot like that!

Anyway, there didn't seem to be a strong wi-fi connection where I sat down so I just wasted half an hour doing nothing in particular while waiting for my OSL bound flight to board at A15.

744 through miniature windows:


Better views:




LH860, FRA-OSL
Aircraft: A320-200
Reg: D-AIQP
STD-STA: 10:10-12:05
July 8th, 2012
Seat: 18A

Soon it was time to board through the self-boarding gates—it went OK, not a big problem. Of course another bus transfer. This time, it was raining heavily, though:



I had seat 18 A, so obviously it would have to be rear boarding for me here. I took a few pictures and then boarded and took my seat. There's really not much to say—completely average all the way through!

Tail view:



3 hours of sleep so you guys know what that means—boarding boarding boarding, with me asleep. Soon a middle-aged Indian couple took their seats next to me. No conversation ensued because, guess what, I fell asleep until take-off (which always wakes me up!)

I forget what runway we used, exactly, but if I'm not mistaken it was 07C. Then I proceeded to nap through the flight. What a surprise! I slept through the breakfast service (but I have a pic stealthily taken of my sleeping row-mates' brekkie). Not interesting—aside from the fact that a 10 am flight received a “full breakfast”, some yogurt and musli, whereas a 6 am flight received a chicken leek roll.

You can sort of see the underwear that the LH magazine is wearing if you're into that kind of thing.

Seats and breakfast:


I awoke about 20 minutes out from OSL, and took the pic of the breakfast offered—my Indian row-mates were still sleeping, and didn't awaken for another 5 minutes—after which they asked for a spoon. 5 minutes out, the tray-tables were still down, still eating. It was all perfectly according to the rules by landing time.

Touchdown in OSL:


Some spotting in OSL:

OSL weather and terminal:


Thai 772—always there, it seems:


Howdy, neighbor:


Disembarkation through both doors—of course, thanks to reading a lot of reports I knew this might be the case here in OSL, so I took advantage of the opportunity. Again, nice crew on departure. Smiles, goodbyes and all that.

Wing-view for Markus:


Engine-view for me... possibly the closest I've been to an engine while on the tarmac:


D-AIQP:


It seems there was a girls' football competition in Alta (?) Both a German and an Icelandic team arrived in OSL—one of them on my flight, one of them on the Icelandair flight soon to arrive.

OSL on my way to arrivals hall:




I proceeded to collect my bags. It didn't take too long—then I waited for M to arrive on the KLM flight, in the baggage claim area. It seems OSL really wants every flight to use belt 6 for baggage delivery—even though there are at least 5 belts for international arrivals!

We proceeded through customs—not a problem and on to the train station. We decided to take the flytoget once (and just once), and this was it. After a couple of problems with her US-issued card (speaking of which, this can be a problem... so, if you have American cards, please check with your bank, and get the PIN-number!). Price for the flytoget was 130 NOK (~17.5 EUR)

We then validated our tickets and proceeded down to the platform to wait for the train's arrival. Soon, the flytoget arrived from Lillestrom—the terminus due to the works at Oslo Sentralstasjon. The 10-min ride to Lillestrom was uneventful, and then we switched to a bus service to Oslo. The bus was almost completely quiet—aside from two Dutch tourists talking continuously among themselves. After a 30-min ride or so we arrived near Oslo Central.

Our accommodation was at Comfort Hotel Xpress, which is a bit less than a kilometer away from the train station, if taking the long way via Karl Johan gate and Mollergata. The first impression of Oslo isn't good. There are some junkies (and definitely not “a few”) begging for money on the main street. This isn't a good or accurate introduction to Norway for a foreign tourist, and I'm not sure why the Norwegian government does nothing in order to reduce what I see as a problem (I read begging is “legal”... not sure what this means). That said, this is probably my only real complaint about this entire country. However, I must start with it, because it's the first impression I had in Norway. On the other hand—it only gets better and better.

The hotel cost us 580 NOK (~75 EUR) for a double room per night, which is actually an excellent price for an Oslo hotel. In fact it's a good price for what is offered in many places. It's a great find and I recommend it. The area is boring and not very pretty, but not dangerous as far as I can tell. The free tea and coffee is a nice touch in an often cold city. Indeed, the weather was not the best upon arrival, but was getting better and better.

Here are some pictures of my first descent in Oslo:


Stortinget:


Nice little park:


Royal Palace:




National Theatre:


What is it with the double “don't walk” signs? And why are there 12 red little men in this picture?


Nobel Peace Center:


Town Hall:


Nice street:


Opera House:




Oslo is a decent enough city and it has some very nice sights (more in Part V, probably). I was still getting used to the Norwegian prices (being in airports a lot helps!) so I only ate a sandwich from a Narvesen or a 7/11 and some other snacks. I wasn't very hungry, but I was "hangry" at the time. BTW, it seems that the most spoken language in Oslo is Romanian—you could hear it on every corner. It seems that people did hear that Norway “liberalized” the market for Romanian workers and the influx began.

We mostly stayed in the center, but after visiting the Opera we headed towards Grunerlokka. With that in mind, I'd say avoid the little park north-west of the Bus terminal. It was full of gypsies preparing for their sleep. Nope, these gypsies weren't speaking Romanian, but their own Rroma language. Afterwards, we headed east across the river and after a few very sketchy looking blocks we reached a better area with a bunch of Arabic/Turkish restaurants. We headed north towards Grunerlokka, saw the cathedral and searched for the hipster neighborhood, as described on wikitravel. Well, not too impressive. A few nice houses and a park, but nothing really special. After a lot of walking, it was already 11pm, weird as there was still light. We then returned to the hotel.

Next part of the report will feature: the train journey to Bergen, sights from Bergen, the BGO-TRD flight and views from Trondheim. Sorry to split this up into many parts, but I need to do this to feel like I'm making progress on this rather long report!


Previous Trip Reports:
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ORD-JFK-FCO-OTP, B6/DL/AZ, June 2012 (by dc9northwest Jun 16 2012 in Trip Reports)
Bahamasair's 737-200, UP205, 21MAY12 (by dc9northwest May 24 2012 in Trip Reports)
March 2012, ORD-CDG, Delta, 763 (by dc9northwest Apr 8 2012 in Trip Reports)
March 2012, FCO-JFK-ORD, Delta, 333/CR7 (by dc9northwest Apr 1 2012 in Trip Reports)
March 2012, OTP-FCO, Alitalia, A319 (by dc9northwest Mar 28 2012 in Trip Reports)
MCI-OTP: Three Upgrades And A380 Flight Deck Visit (by dc9northwest Feb 13 2012 in Trip Reports)
The Baltic States In 6 Easy Flights (by dc9northwest Dec 26 2010 in Trip Reports)
Romanian TR: Bucuresti-Suceava Via Timisoara (by dc9northwest Dec 24 2010 in Trip Reports)
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User currently offlineMH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1688 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10297 times:

Hi Alex,

Nice TR !!! Love your pictures  

OMG, That departure hall at OTP looks exactly like the one at SXF - socialist proven style, I guess...

That SU aircraft at OSL looks like a SSJ to me !!!

Looking forward to your next installment...

Gr.,

MH017/Pieter...



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User currently offline767747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1930 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10200 times:
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Hi, Alex,

Great report! Interesting to read about your flights with LH. Good photos as usual ; I remember transitiing through FRA and it being a bit hectic as well. It was not an airport I remember as being that memorable ...

Thanks for sharing some views from Oslo. This is a place I'd like to visit at sometime in the near future! I've been to Denmark a few times, and would like to visit both Norway and Sweden.

Thanks for sharing!

Best,

Matthew (767747)


User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2284 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10012 times:

Quoting MH017 (Reply 1):

Hi Alex,

Nice TR !!! Love your pictures  

OMG, That departure hall at OTP looks exactly like the one at SXF - socialist proven style, I guess...

That SU aircraft at OSL looks like a SSJ to me !!!

Looking forward to your next installment...

Gr.,

MH017/Pieter...

Hi Pieter!

Thanks very much for your comments.

Well, Romania wasn't exactly a rich country when OTP Departures Terminal was built, so I don't think they considered brilliant architectural designs   I'm not surprised they copied a departures hall in Germany, actually.

You know, that's what I thought at first, SSJ, but it looks like an Airbus to me now... Not sure, though.

Thanks for reading! More to come soon (hopefully).

Quoting 767747 (Reply 2):
Hi, Alex,

Great report! Interesting to read about your flights with LH. Good photos as usual ; I remember transitiing through FRA and it being a bit hectic as well. It was not an airport I remember as being that memorable ...

Thanks for sharing some views from Oslo. This is a place I'd like to visit at sometime in the near future! I've been to Denmark a few times, and would like to visit both Norway and Sweden.

Hey Matthew,

Thanks for your comments!

Yeah, not a big fan of FRA; it seems like it's usually a longer walk than in CDG, for instance... And it's dark and dingy (well, these older terminals at least).

Yeah, Oslo is definitely worth a visit, but Norway is much more beautiful than Oslo alone... I liked Bergen much more, for example! Still haven't been to Denmark and Sweden, but it's looking like a 2013 trip to both is in order!

Thanks again, Matthew!


User currently offlineWidebodyroga From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 613 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9896 times:

Hey Alex,

A very nice introduction to your Norwegian adventure. You know, one of my childhood dreams has been to visit Norway (especially the coast, the north of the country and Svalbard) and I have yet to fulfill it. I haven't even been able to fly over the country, let alone layover in it or of course visit it properly. It's great to experience a trip to Norway through your report.

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
I will not only write and post pictures about the flights, but also add general impressions about the places (cities), hotels and restaurants I visited on my journey, hopefully to help anyone else planning a cheap (for Norway) trip to Norway.

That's the kind of TRs I love the most. The ones that are mainly about the destination... No offense to aviation but you can't beat the destination itself...  
Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
Blue Air, at a jetway, but not using it:

Any ideas why? Is that common for them or a one-off incident?

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
Apple juice and a chicken and leek (I think) roll... It wasn't too bad, but a bit too salty for my taste. I expected more of a breakfast food at 6 am, but I was pleased with the offering for this 2h 15' flight to FRA.

Savory breakfasts of this kind are right up my alley. I know that I'm the minority though  
Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
Yeah, I don't remember any other airport which required you to go up/down three flights of stairs or wait in the elevator-queue, which wasn't organized at all, BTW.

Reminds me of certain parts of BUD. Exactly the same situation you're describing.

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
I wasn't very hungry, but I was "hangry" at the time.

Can you elaborate on this? 


I feel like Oslo is a step below other Scandinavian capitals in terms of beauty and picturesque-ness. Nonetheless your photos of it are great. I can only imagine what is to come next when you start traveling up the coast  


Looking forward to the next installments.  

WideBodyroga



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User currently offlineFlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1706 posts, RR: 31
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9713 times:

Hi DC9,

As I already mentioned, this report looks like to be a start of an epic. Yes, Norway is a wonderful place with jolly and happy people, beautiful blonde women, stunning scenery, some excellent seafood and horrible, truly horrible prices on everything!

Looking forward to the main courses now that the amuse bouche has been served!

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
In the end, this trip cost me about 200USD/160 EUR a day, which seems like a decent budget amount for Norway (this was sharing a double room).

Well, for most countries that would be a luxury budget - In China you'd live like a king for that amount of money! But I know Norway very, very well and I think you did quite good. Accommodation is the biggest expense there. I've been trying to search for an affordable place to stay for my 2 night stay in August but no such luck, so I've fallen back to Plan B which is to sleep at the airport for the first short night and only get a hotel room for the second night. Still hoping for some last minute bargains, though.

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
Next step, where would I go? Well, Bergen and Trondheim for sure, and Svalbard would have to be there. Afterwards, Bodø, with its aviation museum, and Tromsø were added to the list. Aalesund was another suggestion—but it didn't work out—it's on my list for a future trip to Norway in a few years, though.

Wow, sounds like the quintessential Norwegian experience. The only thing you are missing is a visit to Finnmark, Hammerfest and Nordkapp preferably, but you got to save something for the next trip, I guess!

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
Day 2: Oslo-Bergen by train (thanks FlyingFinn, I knew it would be scenic, but this surpassed my expectations)

You're welcome, but are you sure it was really me who recommended it? Markus has written two reports about it, I've never even ridden the damn thing!

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
The cheap ticket means a cheap sleep for the night

Haha, tell me about it! LH is doing this with its cheapest fares ex-HEL too. There are two morning flights to FRA ex-HEL, at 6.30 and 8.00, both usually A321s (that's a LOT of seats, especially if you take into account that there's also a 6.30 A320 to MUC). Most of the time I've looked, the cheapest booking classes are only available on the earlier flight, cunning bastards.

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
The idea is that you have to be careful with taxi drivers—if you don't speak Romanian, make sure the meter is on.

I was actually pleasantly surprised when visiting Bucharest in 2009 and 2010. Most of the taxi drivers put the meter automatically on and didn't try to rip you off at all. And no, I don't speak Romanian apart from "Musulmec".

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
Then came my turn to drop-off my baggage. The queue was not long—only about 40 people or so. In no more than 30 minutes I was getting close to one of the 3 agents working this morning.

That whole check in experience sounds horrible - so confusing, unorganized and slow. 30 minutes to wait for baggage drop? Get real!

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
New OTP is surprisingly pic-friendly. No comments and a lot of glass walls, which permit photography, albeit with a lot of reflections:

Wow, looks so much better than the dire old terminal I remember. Although I could certainly recognize the check in area from the old days. The lounge in the basement was huge, though.

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
So, FRAport... have you heard of escalators? They are these things that don't create bottlenecks like elevators do and people with children and bad knees can use them too! Not to mention people with baggage.

I've gone through that tunnel dozens of times and honestly never had a problem (at least that I can remember). I usually go down the stairs and up the elevator (going up the stairs with luggage is no fun) and there's never been any significant queue for the elevator. Maybe you got there at rush hour or something.

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
Great thinking, FRAport! I want my coffee aroma getting mixed with some of that piss-aroma coming from the toilets

I'm more annoyed by those (Camel branded or was it some other brand?) smoking stations they have near certain gates. They smell like chimneys, really annoying. They should turn it into a smokefree airport like more and more airports around the world nowadays are.

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
BTW, those who voted no on MUC's third runway... Shame on you! I thought only Romanians can shoot themselves in the foot like that!

The Germans, who like to present themselves as the great Green People decided also to get rid of their nuclear power. How ironic is that? Yeah, I know I know they are building solar and wind plants, but they keep burning coal as well.

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
You can sort of see the underwear that the LH magazine is wearing if you're into that kind of thing.

You should really lay off the tsuika this early in the morning, you know?

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
Not interesting—aside from the fact that a 10 am flight received a “full breakfast”, some yogurt and musli, whereas a 6 am flight received a chicken leek roll.

Well, this is the new LH catering concept. It never fails to surprise you.

On my flights to Malta last December the HEL-FRA flight (yes, the 6.30 AM one) we were served a hot Ciabatta, on the FRA-MLA flight at 10.00 AM or so something similar to your flight - yogurt with fruit.

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
OSL weather and terminal:

Typical dull Norwegian weather, I'm afraid.

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
Thai 772—always there, it seems:

These Thai widebodies are a permanent fixture at the major Scandinavian airports. The rumor is that they've faux, just facades do make the airport appear to be more busy.

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
Also, the seat next to me, 14E, remained empty, so that was pretty nice of LH—though I don't think they did it on purpose!

I was a little confused by this as you mentioned you were traveling with somebody....

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
I proceeded to collect my bags. It didn't take too long—then I waited for M to arrive on the KLM flight, in the baggage claim area.

...until I read this and figured out you went separate ways (why?).

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
What is it with the double “don't walk” signs? And why are there 12 red little men in this picture?

It really gets the message through, that's why.

Seriously speaking I think they just wanted to save money by using the same kind of traffic light fixtures as for the cars.

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
BTW, it seems that the most spoken language in Oslo is Romanian—you could hear it on every corner. It seems that people did hear that Norway “liberalized” the market for Romanian workers and the influx began.

Interesting. They used to have tons of people from the Baltic states and Poles working there, as can be seen by just looking at the Norwegian route map.

Thanks to the Norwegian economy going strong as ever maybe they are running out of workers and have expanded their catchment area a bit...

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
(I read begging is “legal”... not sure what this means).

Well it is the same in Finland for example. It means that if you sit and beg on a street, it is no crime, thus the police (technically) cannot do anything about it as you are not breaking any law. Only if you start harassing people, trespassing into private property etc. can they do something about it.


User currently offlinesultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1696 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9667 times:
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Hello Alex,

Good report featuring the first part of your travels to Norway. I’m kinda surprised that you weren’t enthusiastic on your first LH flight. In my eyes they really are one of the better and consistent carriers around. I liked your OTP pics, it does look like a modern airport and it’s great to see that the LCC’s operations are handled as well here as opposed to the closed BBU. I will be in OTP in Nov for a few hours, so now I know a bit what to expect  

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
Blue Air

Booked and confirmed for an OTP-BRU flight in the near future.

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
I've seen better looking cabins to be honest—not a big fan of the anorexic seats.

As I said, I find this cabin arguably one of the better Y cabins around  

Sultanils



In thrust we trust.
User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2284 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days ago) and read 9609 times:

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 4):
Hey Alex,

A very nice introduction to your Norwegian adventure. You know, one of my childhood dreams has been to visit Norway (especially the coast, the north of the country and Svalbard) and I have yet to fulfill it. I haven't even been able to fly over the country, let alone layover in it or of course visit it properly. It's great to experience a trip to Norway through your report.

Hey WideBodyroga,

Thanks for your kind words!

Yes, Norway is a very interesting place to visit.... I really recommend it to anyone who can stretch their budget to cover the expenses.  
Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 4):
That's the kind of TRs I love the most. The ones that are mainly about the destination... No offense to aviation but you can't beat the destination itself...  

Well, this is mostly about 320 and 737 flights... In some cases there is a new and rare aviation type, but this is Norway--the scenery is prettier than any aircraft  
Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 4):
Any ideas why? Is that common for them or a one-off incident?

To be honest, I'm not sure. I've seen them at gates before and assumed they're connected, but I didn't look closely... I think they're usually connected, though.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 4):
Savory breakfasts of this kind are right up my alley. I know that I'm the minority though

Breakfasts of any kind aren't up my alley, to be honest. But I'd already been awake for 3 hours, so it was like an early lunch, I suppose  
Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 4):
Reminds me of certain parts of BUD. Exactly the same situation you're describing.

I see. I now remember OTP having some stairs for bus arrivals during construction--but I think at least anyone with disabilities would have priority in using the elevator(s).

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 4):
Can you elaborate on this? 

You, know, you're somewhat hungry, but not so much your stomach hurts, but you become irritable, and it's clear it's due to hunger because it passes after you eat something--hangry 
Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 4):
I feel like Oslo is a step below other Scandinavian capitals in terms of beauty and picturesque-ness. Nonetheless your photos of it are great. I can only imagine what is to come next when you start traveling up the coast

Well, it's too bad the weather was so bad when I was in Helsinki, but I do think central Helsinki is prettier than central Oslo. Haven't been to the other two yet.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 4):
Looking forward to the next installments

Thanks, hopefully I'll manage to write them soon.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 5):
As I already mentioned, this report looks like to be a start of an epic. Yes, Norway is a wonderful place with jolly and happy people, beautiful blonde women, stunning scenery, some excellent seafood and horrible, truly horrible prices on everything!

Hi there FlyingFinn,

Hey, I'd be pretty happy too if I lived in Norway. I'd say all the food is great, not just the seafood (of which I'm not a big fan, but it receives good references!)... but yeah, it hurts the pockets a little bit. Although I got used to it after 2 or 3 days  
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 5):
Well, for most countries that would be a luxury budget - In China you'd live like a king for that amount of money!

Indeed, even in Germany you could live very well on that amount. I just have to remember to not convert that in Romanian currency again, though  
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 5):
But I know Norway very, very well and I think you did quite good. Accommodation is the biggest expense there. I've been trying to search for an affordable place to stay for my 2 night stay in August but no such luck, so I've fallen back to Plan B which is to sleep at the airport for the first short night and only get a hotel room for the second night. Still hoping for some last minute bargains, though.

Hmmm... I'm guessing this is for your milk run flights? Indeed the smaller cities make it harder to get accommodation... I think that overall I got pretty good deals for my hotel stays. Have you looked at guesthouses?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 5):
Wow, sounds like the quintessential Norwegian experience. The only thing you are missing is a visit to Finnmark, Hammerfest and Nordkapp preferably, but you got to save something for the next trip, I guess!

Well, for now, it was enough. But there are certainly places to see for when I go back.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 5):
You're welcome, but are you sure it was really me who recommended it? Markus has written two reports about it, I've never even ridden the damn thing!

Hmmm, well I had three options and I'm pretty sure it was you who told me I should go for the train--and it was the right choice indeed! This wasn't in any of your reports, though.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 5):
Haha, tell me about it! LH is doing this with its cheapest fares ex-HEL too. There are two morning flights to FRA ex-HEL, at 6.30 and 8.00, both usually A321s (that's a LOT of seats, especially if you take into account that there's also a 6.30 A320 to MUC). Most of the time I've looked, the cheapest booking classes are only available on the earlier flight, cunning bastards.

Hah, well, this was an expedia fare, but indeed only available on the 6:25 to FRA. There was a cheaper alternative coming back to OTP--a 9:00 flight to HAM (with another stop in MUC)... No thanks!

I feel like I got "laughed at" by LH--the morning flight to FRA was a 321 until July 1st and the MUC flight was a 321 that Sunday--still never gotten to ride on one. My AZ flight from MLA is scheduled on one, but you know AZ.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 5):
I've gone through that tunnel dozens of times and honestly never had a problem (at least that I can remember). I usually go down the stairs and up the elevator (going up the stairs with luggage is no fun) and there's never been any significant queue for the elevator. Maybe you got there at rush hour or something.

Maybe it was rush hour--and I, personally, didn't have any problems walking up and down stairs--but it could certainly be a bit better planned.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 5):
I'm more annoyed by those (Camel branded or was it some other brand?) smoking stations they have near certain gates. They smell like chimneys, really annoying. They should turn it into a smokefree airport like more and more airports around the world nowadays are.

I don't know about FRA, but I know the ones they have at ATL--they really do smell bad--on the outside, can't even imagine on the inside. The ones at OTP seem to be better designed--certainly a lot of smokers but no smell.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 5):
Well, this is the new LH catering concept. It never fails to surprise you.

On my flights to Malta last December the HEL-FRA flight (yes, the 6.30 AM one) we were served a hot Ciabatta, on the FRA-MLA flight at 10.00 AM or so something similar to your flight - yogurt with fruit.

Haha, that's completely unexpected... well, before you learn about the new catering concept I suppose!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 5):
...until I read this and figured out you went separate ways (why?).

Well, I planned this trip in March (I think) and we've decided in late May that she'll be coming along   So, she used some of her Flying Blue miles on this (which I was against, but it wasn't my choice). The 200EUR special on LH wasn't available unfortunately.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 5):
These Thai widebodies are a permanent fixture at the major Scandinavian airports. The rumor is that they've faux, just facades do make the airport appear to be more busy.

They probably are. The Thai 772 was at the same gate when I returned from LYR--9 days later--maybe a really long tech delay!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 5):
It really gets the message through, that's why.

Seriously speaking I think they just wanted to save money by using the same kind of traffic light fixtures as for the cars.

Yeah, that could be an explanation. M said it's probably to scare drunk people into not heading across the street towards the 12 disembodied red spirits.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 5):
Well it is the same in Finland for example. It means that if you sit and beg on a street, it is no crime, thus the police (technically) cannot do anything about it as you are not breaking any law. Only if you start harassing people, trespassing into private property etc. can they do something about it.

I see. Well, I don't think I've ever seen the police doing anything about begging anywhere I've been... Strictly begging, that is. Oslo seemed to have more beggars than Helsinki, though...


Anyway, thanks a lot for your in-depth comments, P. I really appreciate it!

Quoting sultanils (Reply 6):
Good report featuring the first part of your travels to Norway. I’m kinda surprised that you weren’t enthusiastic on your first LH flight. In my eyes they really are one of the better and consistent carriers around. I liked your OTP pics, it does look like a modern airport and it’s great to see that the LCC’s operations are handled as well here as opposed to the closed BBU. I will be in OTP in Nov for a few hours, so now I know a bit what to expect

Hey Nils,

Thanks for your comments!

LH was perfectly fine... I'm really not an enthusiastic enthusiast, but LH covers all of its bases properly, so no complaints, just opinions  

Oh yes, it's great to have the LCCs at OTP. BBU was really crowded, really old and quite bad operationally... Now, even the annual airshow is at BBU, which makes it easier for people to get there--and it was quite fun. That said, I wouldn't want to fly out of BBU's terminal again!

Quoting sultanils (Reply 6):
Booked and confirmed for an OTP-BRU flight in the near future.

Good to know; I hear they have 739ERs on order... Now that I'd want to experience.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 6):
As I said, I find this cabin arguably one of the better Y cabins around

Hmmm... Maybe I just don't like modernity that much. I think that the cabin has a less private feel.

Thanks again, Nils!


User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3877 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9549 times:

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 4):
I feel like Oslo is a step below other Scandinavian capitals in terms of beauty and picturesque-ness.

Well, Oslo is perhaps better know for it's picturesque landscape around the city ... the fjords, the mountains and the forrests, than it's arcitecture and famous landmarks. However the skijump is worht the visit, as is the new operahouse, royal palace, the Vigeland sculpture park and ofcourse the vikingships. There are currently manynnew builds under wayin Oslo, especially down by and around the fjord. Much new will pop up in the next 5 years.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 5):
truly horrible prices on everything!

Food and dining out in Norway is expensive. If you are looking to buy ordenary food groceries to have in your hotel rom or for a picknick out, my tip is to find a supermarket, rather than using the 7/11's, gaz stations and similare 24hours shop who charge atleast double, just because they are open 24 hours. . Supermarkets are usually half the price.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 5):
These Thai widebodies are a permanent fixture at the major Scandinavian airports. The rumor is that they've faux, just facades do make the airport appear to be more busy.

Thailand is a populare destination for Norwegians. I beleave Thai airways flies daily from OSL. They have now changed the B777 200 to B777 300 at OSL.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 5):
Interesting. They used to have tons of people from the Baltic states and Poles working there, as can be seen by just looking at the Norwegian route map.

Thanks to the Norwegian economy going strong as ever maybe they are running out of workers and have expanded their catchment area a bit...

These days, Norway has also become a destination for people from Spain, Portugal and Greece who look for jobs. also a lot of Swedes working in Norway. There is unfortunetly alot of youth unemployment in these countries at the moment.


User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3243 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9452 times:

Nice 1st part Alex - I'm lookinmg forward to seeing the rest of the Norway photos

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):

FRAport logic:
“Hey guys, how will we get people down to the bunker?”
“Well, elevators for disabled people, of course. And everyone else can use the stairs!”

So, FRAport... have you heard of escalators? They are these things that don't create bottlenecks like elevators do and people with children and bad knees can use them too! Not to mention people with baggage.

Yeah, I don't remember any other airport which required you to go up/down three flights of stairs or wait in the elevator-queue, which wasn't organized at all, BTW.

Ha, I know exactly what you're talking about - such a hassle those stairs/tunnels



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6757 posts, RR: 77
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9432 times:

Interesting first part of your series, dc9northwest!

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
Overall, an above average impression of LH, but the service seemed rather cold and impersonal. Still, the crew was friendly upon disembarkation, I think that maybe they didn't enjoy the early hours either. I was decently awake, but my German skills are minimal, maybe that had something to do with it?

I haven't experienced a "cold service" on LH for a long time, maybe you were just unlucky. German skills shouldn't make a difference.

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
FRAport logic:
“Hey guys, let's give our passengers a chance to get a quick cup of coffee with some coffee machines”
“Great, let's have a few tables too so people can sit”
“Excellent! Where shall we put them?”
“How about right next to the toilets?”

Do you mean the LH machines which provide free coffee and tea?

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
BTW, those who voted no on MUC's third runway... Shame on you! I thought only Romanians can shoot themselves in the foot like that!

No, that's getting common in Germany. Hysteria and paranoia prevent numerous projects. That's also what destroyed the future of nuclear power in our country. I guess too many people are doing too well, they don't know any more where the wealth comes from.

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
The Germans, who like to present themselves as the great Green People decided also to get rid of their nuclear power. How ironic is that? Yeah, I know I know they are building solar and wind plants, but they keep burning coal as well.

Well, there are still enough Germans who don't believe in the new eco religion. Btw - there's nothing wrong with burning coal as long as you do it with most advanced powerplants.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineFlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1706 posts, RR: 31
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9396 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 10):
Well, there are still enough Germans who don't believe in the new eco religion. Btw - there's nothing wrong with burning coal as long as you do it with most advanced powerplants.

Unfortunately it is not a matter of belief, just pure science:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...mings-terrifying-new-math-20120719


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6757 posts, RR: 77
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9375 times:

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 11):
Unfortunately it is not a matter of belief, just pure science:

What kind of source is that? You know my opinion, P. Unfortunately, science has been replaced by incredible politics.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineFlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1706 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9276 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
What kind of source is that? You know my opinion, P. Unfortunately, science has been replaced by incredible politics.

Well yeah, that article was politically biased in a way, but it does have a point, a very strong one. This just happened to be the last piece on global warming that I read. The fact is that it is a scientifically proven fact that increased CO2 (and methane and some other gases) in the earth's atmosphere are making this planet hotter. It is simple laws of physics - just like a difference of the speed in which air flows above and below an aircraft's wing generates lift which in turn allows these machines we love so dearly to fly.

The very reason this planet is temperate enough for lifeforms to form and thrive here is the very same reason it is getting warmer - a moderate amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere is good for the planet, as it warms it up by not allowing all of the sun's heat to escape back into the cold space. However when that amount starts increasing, naturally also the effect gets stronger. Just like when you increase throttle on an engine you spray more fuel into the combustion chamber, thus increasing the burn and generating more energy.

Now it is an undeniable fact that the increase of these gases in the atmosphere is because humans put them there, mostly by burning fossil fuels. Sure, they also occur naturally. All living creatures produce a certain amount of CO2 and methane. That is a good thing, as again they are the only reason this life has had a chance to develop on this planet. But enough is enough.

It is simple laws of physics (and a bit of chemistry) again - when you burn something you oxidize it. Oxidizing means simply combining something with oxygen in a chemical reaction that also releases energy (heat). Thus hydrocarbons which all the fossil fuels basically are are combined with oxygen, or CH with O2. When you take the hydrogen H out of this equation (because it is basically what gets converted to energy, hence the reason why the so called "hydrogen economy" is such a tempting goal for everyone but the shareholders in oil companies) you get CO2 - our best friend and dearest enemy.

Now I'm with you there that there's a lot of misinformation and political crap, hypocrisy and confusion about this everywhere you look. But look, I'm an engineer - I know that everything happens for a reason. There's always a cause to every effect. If you find these out, you are halfway there. Prove the connection scientifically and you already have a solid foundation. So the fact is that we humans are increasing the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. And this activity IS warming the planet up. You cannot deny that - it is scientifically proven and as simple as 1 + 1 = 2. To claim anything else is IMHO completely unfathomable. It is the same as claiming that the world is flat even though it has been proven many times using many different methods that it in fact is round (well not perfectly, but you get the idea).

Now what we don't know is that what the actual *long term* effects of this warming are. That's where it gets tricky - just think about how difficult it is to forecast weather accurately more than a few days out - the world is a helluva complex place with billions of tiny factors affecting everything else. That is why even with today's computing power at our disposal the calculations for forecasting the weather patterns are just too damn complex, and thus we can only forecast a few days in advance. The further out you go, the less accurate it gets.

With these words I cannot understand how anyone can say that no, there's no warming up happening. Just take a look around, record heat waves in the Midwest are happening right now, causing massive distress with the farmers and the world's food supply. Trying to deny that is just putting your head into the bushes, ignoring everything.

What is not possible to be said at this time is whether this change is permanent, what the so called "safe" number of degrees is, how long it will take for the world's ecosystems to adapt (trust me, they will, this ball of rock has been around for billions of years and has adapted to many, many different conditions over that time. We humans being so short lived tend to forget the eonic cycles natural evolution works in) to the changes and what other effects will the warming up have.

I would be delighted to hear your take on the matter, either here or somewhere else. As I said I believe scientific facts, not any beliefs let alone religious or sentimental crap (not that I'm implying you would be coming up with something like that).


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6757 posts, RR: 77
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9243 times:

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 13):
I would be delighted to hear your take on the matter, either here or somewhere else. As I said I believe scientific facts, not any beliefs let alone religious or sentimental crap (not that I'm implying you would be coming up with something like that).

I have read countless articles about the issue and that's why I'm not convinced any more about the official and politically correct theory. There are many sources which I could tell you. Just because alternative scientific views are often ignored by politics and the media, it doesn't mean they don't exist. But all that is off-topic and I will stop at this point.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineroberts87 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2011, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9196 times:

Nice report indeed!
I look forward to the other parts, looks like you a a great trip planned out.

Norway is on my wish list for next year, I'm actually looking at some similar routings as you are, so I'll be sure to note some of your experiences and recommendations for future reference!


User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2284 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8973 times:

Hi everyone,

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 8):
However the skijump is worht the visit, as is the new operahouse, royal palace, the Vigeland sculpture park and ofcourse the vikingships.

Yup, saw all those--some after my return from LYR  
Quoting Mortyman (Reply 8):
Food and dining out in Norway is expensive.

Yeah, but you can get some good deals if you bargain hunt--and the food was good pretty much in every place I ate. Price-wise, it's about on par with airport food elsewhere in the world if you look for deals--but the quality is much much better.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 9):
Nice 1st part Alex - I'm lookinmg forward to seeing the rest of the Norway photos

Hey Gabriel,

Thanks, hopefully coming up really soon  
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 10):
I haven't experienced a "cold service" on LH for a long time, maybe you were just unlucky. German skills shouldn't make a difference.

Hi PH,

Well, cold's probably the wrong word--definitely colder than AF and KL, though. Maybe it's because I have status with AF/KL so they treat me better there. As I said, the cabin crew was really friendly upon disembarkation, but during boarding... not so much  
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 10):
Do you mean the LH machines which provide free coffee and tea?

Ah, they're LH? I didn't check--not a big coffee fan myself, save for the smell.

Anyway, as I said, a good idea, but poorly applied.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 10):
No, that's getting common in Germany. Hysteria and paranoia prevent numerous projects. That's also what destroyed the future of nuclear power in our country. I guess too many people are doing too well, they don't know any more where the wealth comes from.

That's too bad. I think that decision is counterproductive economically, which is too bad...

Anyway, thanks for the comments, PH! Much appreciated.

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 15):
Nice report indeed!
I look forward to the other parts, looks like you a a great trip planned out.

Norway is on my wish list for next year, I'm actually looking at some similar routings as you are, so I'll be sure to note some of your experiences and recommendations for future reference!

Hey Robert,

Thanks, I'll do my best to upload them soon. Good to hear you're planning a Norway trip--July seems like a good time to go, with some good deals on hotels due to the fact it's holiday month, I suppose.

Thanks for leaving a comment, everyone!


User currently offlineMSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2474 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8836 times:

Hello Alex

Great trip report, thanks for sharing.
Too bad the FRA expercience did not wen't so well. I personally prefer it above CDG.
LH looks good as usual as well on these legs.

Greetings
Marc



Next trip report: Well worn A330s and Hassle free MUC transfer
User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 5162 posts, RR: 55
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8826 times:

Hi, A.,

great stuff. Not to talk about that I´am really looking forward to this series, you know.

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):

I know you guys like this sort of shot:

Count me in this way.

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):

Wing-view for Markus:

Well done here.

Looking for more now.

Greetings,
Markus(FLIEGER67)



Next: The eastern Intersky!.
User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2284 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8730 times:

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 17):
Hello Alex

Great trip report, thanks for sharing.
Too bad the FRA expercience did not wen't so well. I personally prefer it above CDG.
LH looks good as usual as well on these legs.

Greetings
Marc

Hello Marc,

Thanks for reading and for your comments!

FRA is sub-average, but it's not that bad. Aesthetically speaking, though, it could be much better. It's functional but ugly (A and B concourses at least), and IMO with some very idiosyncratic ideas...

LH was good, no real issues.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 18):

Hi, A.,

great stuff. Not to talk about that I´am really looking forward to this series, you know.


Well done here.

Looking for more now.

Greetings,
Markus(FLIEGER67)

Hi Markus!

I know you're a big fan of Norway, so thanks for reading... And thanks for your comments!

Well, here's the next part, for future reference:

Norway, Part II: Bergen/Trondheim (by dc9northwest Jul 25 2012 in Trip Reports)

No wing views here, but hopefully you'll enjoy it!


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12242 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8604 times:
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Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 5):
Well, for most countries that would be a luxury budget - In China you'd live like a king for that amount of money! But I know Norway very, very well and I think you did quite good. Accommodation is the biggest expense there. I've been trying to search for an affordable place to stay for my 2 night stay in August but no such luck, so I've fallen back to Plan B which is to sleep at the airport for the first short night and only get a hotel room for the second night. Still hoping for some last minute bargains, though.

Here you go  http://www.visitnorway.com/en/Where-...-Norway/Tenting-in-the-wilderness/



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User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8368 times:

Hi Alex!

Nice report! Good to see that you visited the beautiful country of Norway, as you said, it's a shame it's so darn expensive.
Seems like you had a couple of nice flights on LH.

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
Yeah, I don't remember any other airport which required you to go up/down three flights of stairs or wait in the elevator-queue, which wasn't organized at all, BTW.

I was thinking the same thing when I used the same tunnel. I got the impression it might be too far up for an escalator to be worthwhile though, but it would indeed be much better.

Martin


User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5088 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8272 times:

Thanks a lot for the report. Those seats on Lufthansa make me sick - they are so incredibly uncomfortable, and I don't care what marketing spin of the increase pitch tells me.

I am not entirely surprised by your entire LH experience - I fly them A LOT - and their service is mediocre in general. They are a whole lot better than the other Euro-legacies (AF/AZ/IB), but simply have to lift their game to actually be competitive. Having said that, I have had some recent flights with exemplary crew members. Just did one on FCL that was truly the best LH experience i have had. Mostly because of the lead FA.

Frankfurt Airport is an utter disaster. A complete nonsense of an excuse for an airport. Maybe, the Fraport folks need to go to Munich and see how their fellow compatriots run an airport. Or maybe, they need to go to Lima and see how the Peruvians are better in following orders than their own people. It has steadily climbed to be as annoying as Paris CDG. Thankfully though, the people working at FRA are a WHOLE LOT nicer than those at CDG.

Thanks for taking time to write this out.

Saludos,
A.



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User currently offlineakhmad From Netherlands, joined Sep 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 53
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 21 hours ago) and read 8109 times:

Hello Alex,

How nice to read about your experience up to Norway. Not only to hear how you became a good Samaritan to other travelers, I also appreciate your tips, as you have rightly said, for an inexpensive trip to a country which is notorious for high end prices. Kudos to that!  


Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
In the end, this trip cost me about 200USD/160 EUR a day

Well done!

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
So, here's the final plan:
Day 1: OTP-FRA-OSL, LH, A320
Day 2: Oslo-Bergen by train (thanks FlyingFinn, I knew it would be scenic, but this surpassed my expectations)
Day 4: BGO-TRD, SK, B735
Day 5: Trondheim-Bodo by train
Day 6: BOO-SKN-TOS, WF, DH8A (Dash 8-100)
Day 8: TOS-LYR, SK, B738
Day 9: LYR-OSL, SK, B737
Day 10: OSL-VIE-OTP, OS, F100

That’s an exciting itinerary.

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
The idea is that you have to be careful with taxi drivers—if you don't speak Romanian, make sure the meter is on. They (usually) won't object to that

Also thanks for this one!  


Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
none of the “take your shoes off” stupidity either

I just miss such laid back attitude at European airports. Somehow, the security check at OTP was a relief compared to FRA during your trip.

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
Afterwards, it looks like the LH magazine is wearing underwear.

   I love this experession!

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
I saw both the 748 (meh, the classic 744 looks better IMO)

Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise. Both are Queens of The Sky anyway.   


Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
In fact I mistakenly answered the agent “si” instead of “ja”...

Oh dear, I made the same mistake as well!

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
BTW, those who voted no on MUC's third runway... Shame on you!

One of the results is the suspension of dedicated service to CGK by LH…   


Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
aside from two Dutch tourists talking continuously among themselves

We, Dutch people, are just everywhere! 


Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
Comfort Hotel Xpress,

It sounds a decent hotel. You should send in your review to TripAdvisor.

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
Sorry to split this up into many parts, but I need to do this to feel like I'm making progress on this rather long report!

No worries. As the matter of fact, I love the split up. It makes easier to comment.


Thanks a lot for sharing.

Best wishes,
Suryo  



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User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2284 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 21 hours ago) and read 8098 times:

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 21):
Hi Alex!

Nice report! Good to see that you visited the beautiful country of Norway, as you said, it's a shame it's so darn expensive.
Seems like you had a couple of nice flights on LH.

Hi Martin,

Can't complain too much about LH, they've got a reasonable service on board for Europe nowadays. Won't win any awards but it's OK.

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 21):
I was thinking the same thing when I used the same tunnel. I got the impression it might be too far up for an escalator to be worthwhile though, but it would indeed be much better.

Well, you know, two escalators is fine too... Also, looking at some escalators at ATL airport... they can get pretty long/high, so I'm not sure that's an excuse FRA should use.

Thanks for you comments, Martin!

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 22):

Thanks a lot for the report. Those seats on Lufthansa make me sick - they are so incredibly uncomfortable, and I don't care what marketing spin of the increase pitch tells me.

I am not entirely surprised by your entire LH experience - I fly them A LOT - and their service is mediocre in general. They are a whole lot better than the other Euro-legacies (AF/AZ/IB), but simply have to lift their game to actually be competitive. Having said that, I have had some recent flights with exemplary crew members. Just did one on FCL that was truly the best LH experience i have had. Mostly because of the lead FA.

Frankfurt Airport is an utter disaster. A complete nonsense of an excuse for an airport. Maybe, the Fraport folks need to go to Munich and see how their fellow compatriots run an airport. Or maybe, they need to go to Lima and see how the Peruvians are better in following orders than their own people. It has steadily climbed to be as annoying as Paris CDG. Thankfully though, the people working at FRA are a WHOLE LOT nicer than those at CDG.

Thanks for taking time to write this out.

Saludos,
A.

Hi A.,

Good to know I'm not the only one with a negative view of the NEK. Appearance-wise they're not that bad, but I just don't like them that much. Maybe it's nostalgia, maybe it's about comfort, but... Well, that's my view  

Unfortunately I have no experience with good airlines (but that's about to change early next year--booked MH long-haul, and will probably end up booking NH and KE short-haul, for January), so I can only compare LH with normal Euro and US airlines--they are above average, but barely so. Better than AZ whereas AF is a mixed bag.

Yes, the worst part about CDG is the personnel. When 2C and 2D finally get closed for AF I may upgrade it to "decent" as long as you can avoid 2G. FRA looks shabbier than CDG... I really didn't enjoy my experience there. I don't remember interacting with many people at FRA--just immigration and security. Can't say they were pleasant or unpleasant at security.

Thanks for commenting, A., looks like you've been really busy lately, so I really appreciate it.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 23):
Hello Alex,

How nice to read about your experience up to Norway. Not only to hear how you became a good Samaritan to other travelers, I also appreciate your tips, as you have rightly said, for an inexpensive trip to a country which is notorious for high end prices. Kudos to that!  

Hi Suryo,

Thanks for your comments!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 23):
Also thanks for this one!  

No problem!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 23):
I just miss such laid back attitude at European airports. Somehow, the security check at OTP was a relief compared to FRA during your trip.

Yeah, can't complain about that too much, everything goes well at OTP lately. FRA is much busier so much more can go wrong, I suppose.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 23):
Oh dear, I made the same mistake as well!

Really? Well, I'm not the only one, that's good  
Quoting akhmad (Reply 23):
Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise. Both are Queens of The Sky anyway.  

Haha. Well, the 744 has such classic lines that it makes the 748 look like a wrongly-built 744. Looking at it separately the 748i looks nice as well.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 23):
One of the results is the suspension of dedicated service to CGK by LH…   

That's indeed unfortunate... Was it already operating, or was it supposed to start?

Quoting akhmad (Reply 23):
No worries. As the matter of fact, I love the split up. It makes easier to comment.

Good to know, Suryo! I'll keep that in mind for future reports  
Quoting akhmad (Reply 23):
It sounds a decent hotel. You should send in your review to TripAdvisor.

Yes, I think I will, once I finish writing up the TR, though  

Thanks again for your comments, Suryo!

PS:

Quoting akhmad (Reply 23):
We, Dutch people, are just everywhere! 

Well, don't worry, so are Americans and Romanians 


25 Knightsofmalta : Hi Alex So that's where the first part got to! I'd been looking for it. Well, first of all thank and well done for another great report with some real
26 The777Man : Hi Alex ! Very nice report with nice pictures ! Looking forward to read the other parts of this series. Airport in Bucharest looks okay but they need
27 Post contains images dc9northwest : Hi William! Thanks again for reading and commenting, this time on Part I! Well, OTP is expecting somewhere just below 7 million passengers this year,
28 nethkt : A great way to fly intra Europe! LH seems to be so efficient as usual! Gotta love Oslo and the Norwegians. Thank you for all the nice pics and quick t
29 dc9northwest : Hi Nethkt! Thanks for your comments. Yeah, LH is efficient, shame about their main hub, though! Oslo and Norway are very nice indeed.
30 Post contains images akhmad : It was already operating since 2011's winter schedule. Reduced to 5 weekly from daily flights on December 2, 2011. The whole suspension will take pla
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