allrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 1656 posts, RR: 4 Posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8797 times:
When I told a friend that I had flown Scoot between Sydney and Singapore he replied with a picture of a dog wiping its butt on the ground. That's what scooting means in Australia and this dog had a very sore bum.
Taking advantage of this new airlines cheap promotional fares I decided to try them out for a quick trip to Singapore. I've done a lot of flying on Jetstar in both their economy and business cabins and I was curious to see how their Singapore Airlines competitor fared in comparison. One day I'd like to compare them with AirAsia too, but as yet I've only flown on their A320s.
My new office has great southwesterly views where I can often see aircraft on descent into Sydney Airport. It's great for dreaming about flying on a sunny day. But of course it was drizzling.
I caught the train to Sydney's International Terminal. Early afternoon departures are great for giving you plenty of time to get to the airport. I was flying by myself today and check in was fast. I hadn't prepurchased any meals and the flight would be taking two major meal times. I had a burger for lunch, wandered around landside looking for birthday presents for a brother-in-law (I don't get much shopping time), found nothing, so went through immigration.
I know its not fashionable to do so, but I quite like the international terminal. If I was in the spending mood I could find things to buy and the food options have improved too.
According to my pass boarding was supposed to begin 35 minutes before departure. While at the gate I watched the bright yellow and white Scoot 777-200 named Barry (oh what a silly name for an aircraft) land. Not quite a new aircraft type for me as I caught a couple of Asiana 772s back in 2004, but that's all. Soon a Jetstar A332 pulled into a nearby gate. So many happy memories of trips to Japan. I wondered which service was better.
Meanwhile the Scoot cabin crew were gathered around like bees in a hive with their black and yellow uniforms. They were short, tight, looking cheap and exacerbating the small size of their wearers.
Barry had arrived late (as Barry is wont to do at a party) and so boarding was delayed. It was done by zones and I was in the second group. I noticed that my row number had been changed back a couple of rows from my online selection, putting me right over the middle of the wing.
With the yellow and blue seats the cabin was very bright and cheerful, but that's where the compliments end. It is a long time since I sat on such an uncomfortable aircraft seat. The seats were narrow and hard, the lack of proper head support very noticable. Lumbar support felt all wrong. Worst of all was the legroom. The pitch was okay, but the seat supports got in the way of my left foot. The space between the side wall and the support was too narrow for my foot and the support itself was where my foot should otherwise be.
Fortunately, the middle seat was free.
I watched a couple of young "rockers" sit down a couple of rows ahead, one with long hair and tattoos. I've read that once upon a time there would have been a compulsory haircut once they landed in Singapore.
So, eight hours in this uncomfortable seat with no "free" food and no provided entertainment. If my preflight meal didn't last then I would purchase something, but I was trying to save up my stomach for Singapore. Entertainment wise I had saved movies, television shows and music to my Android tablet and phone. Most of all I was looking forward to the view from the window.
We took off to the south beneath cloudy skies, but soon emerged into the sunlight above. Much of the Australian landscape was obscured by cloud and haze, so I relaxed to music, read a book and watched an episode of Doctor Who.
Inland Australia looked blackened and scarred, as if some unimaginable force had scoured it.
The crew did a food run and I suppose that they delivered some iPad entertainment units to passengers, but they were quite unobtrusive and I didn't take any notice. There was as much mushroom on offer as in my old canteen. I hate mushrooms and the only meal that looked appetising at all was the chicken biryani. I had too much chicken biryani of recent flights with Malaysia Airlines and was not in the mood to purchase more.
Scoot sell this bracelet that marks the wearer as "gullible"
When I did get hungry later on it was difficult to attract their attention and also to hear them under the sound of the aircraft. I ordered crackers and cheese, was given two. The cheese was soft (not cheddar), but no knife was provided for cutting and spreading it. I think the call buttons were disabled due to their location causing frequent inadvertant activation.
Smoke haze over WA
Big recline, but I found it no more comfortable
There were some beautiful views out of the window as we passed over islands of Indonesia and into the evening. There was also some turbulence going through high cloud and I didn't think that the 777 handled it too well. Nothing too bad though.
Darkness was falling as we began our final descent into Singapore. We approached from the south, over Johor Bahru. Last time we flew this way it was on a Firefly turboprop from Kuantan. As we land I am taken back to my first flight overseas, that excitement.
We soon stop at Terminal 2.
I am in a hurry once out of the aircraft. My body feels stiff, but I force it to walk. Quickly through immigration and all I have is a carry on so no luggage belt. Once out I go straight to the UOB Currency Exchange branch and purchase, for $15, a StarHub Preferred Tourist Prepaid MicroSIM card. This is great value, with free international calls to some destinations (including Australia) and the option for 1G of data transfer for 7 days (other combinations also available). Only problem was that the connectivity wasn't great - I get far better on Telstra back home - no a great advert for super connected Singapore.
Then it's over to the hotel desk. I was horrified to discover mid-flight that I had mistakenly booked the Hotel 81 Geylang instead of the Hotel 81 Tristar in Geylang. Big difference. So I found myself at the very comfortable Amara Singapore instead, after a long ride from the airport. Fortunately, because I was both starving and exhausted by this time, some stalls at the well regarded Maxwell food centre, close to the hotel, were still open.
Over the next couple of days I visited the Chinese and Japanese Gardens (pleasant) and the amazing Gardens by the Bay with their Skytrees straight out of a Star Wars world. Did some shopping and plenty of eating at the Maxwell, Old Airport Road and Haig Road (Geylang) food centres.
Pagoda at Chinese gardens
Gardens by the Bay
My Scoot flight back to Sydney was scheduled for 2.10am, which presented me with some issues. Singapore is hot and I wanted a shower and a sleep before boarding - that 4.10am Sydney time and my stay was short enough not to adapt my body clock. Easy, there is a transit lounge and hotel in Changi, right? Except that there was no online check in for Scoot, no preprinting of the boarding pass and thus no way into the transit area. And I had already checked out of my hotel.
So I ended up at the Hotel 81 Geylang after all. Sleazy area and the most basic of hotels. Good enough for a lie down and a shower, but I was glad not to be staying any longer. Singapore needs some reasonably priced hotels, especially close to the airport.
I caught a taxi back to the airport around 11.30pm and by the time I arrived the check in desk was open, but the queues reasonably short. Our passports were taken and checked while still in the queue. Then I arrived at the desk for my boarding pass. As I had done a big of shopping in Singapore I needed to now check in a bag, but the check in attendant seemed to be confused as to how to handle this. It ended up costing me $10 cash ("admin fee" and $50 via credit card. I should have done it online, but the website (at that time) said to call for changes within 2 days. Actually, what I really should have done (the bag was small and only 5kg) was to take it with me onboard because the didn't seem to check, contrary to what others have said. I know that LCCs make money through ancilliaries but I felt this was a bit nasty.
Most of the pre-immigration shops seemed closed at this time of night, so I went straight through the quick immigration. Some shops were closed, but there was still plenty to buy and eat despite the late hour. I overdosed on kuih lapis from Bengawan Solo and browsed the other shops. Dinner was an okay, but not great, curry chicken and rice from Wang's. A nearby Peranakan place seemed closed, but the reopened. I tried a free foot massage chair, but didn't really enjoy it. The entertainment areas seemed reasonably utilised. I think that I could quite enjoy a long transit in Terminal 2.
Security checks at Changi are done at the gate. I was early in the queue and this time the officers had no issue with the electronics in my bag. It's a pity that there are no drink vending machines post security as I was thirsty.
We were soon boarding the aircraft. This time I was at my preselected seat, but had to share the row with two Australian girls, which meant no free middle seat. The overhead storage bins were quickly filled and I felt like I had wasted money not trying to bring my other bag onboard (at 5kg it was a lot less than many of these other bags). My regular daypack was under the seat. There were no checks as far as I could see for the size of the carry on luggage.
I barely managed to stay awake for the pre-takeoff safety demo and the quick taxi and takeoff into the night skies.
Once we were up in the air I quickly started snoozing until a cabin attendant awoke me to ask if I wanted my prepaid iPad. No, I replied, I hadn't prepaid for one! Wasn't happy at that interruption as I am a poor sleeper at the best of times.
I did buy a bottle of Minute Maid O'mango juice when offered, though S$4 was rather pricey.
I think I snoozed again eventually, before awakening into a darkened cabin. Outside, the stars were brilliant in the dark night sky, the phase of the planet Venus just visible to the naked eye. Then we must have passed over some cities of Indonesia, glittering like jewels against the blackness of the ground and sky. However much I felt uncomfortable inside the aircraft this was gorgeous night flying.
The ocean offered an opportunity to catch up on some entertainment: an episode of Spaced, then Doctor Who on my tablet. We were flying towards the day and soon the first glimmerings of dawn appeared. Sunrise occurred just as we were passing over the coast of Western Australia.
We flew through a pastel sky over a hazy landscape. Eventually ripples of desert dunes became visible below, followed by the salt lakes of South Australia. How I missed the flight map, especially when I think we crossed over somewhere around Lake Eyre, rare and ephemeral water and greenery beneath us.
I ignored offers of breakfast, munching now and then on the slices of kuih lapis cake, watching the video and glancing outside.
Our descent into Sydney was from the south, somewhat to my disappointment, as I would like to have flown over my workplace and my son at childcare in North Ryde. Still, it's a pretty route flying over The Shire of the Trout Pout where I live without fish lips and Southern Cross tattoos.
For the first time in a while, on touching down I didn't feel like getting back on an aircraft for another adventure somewhere else. I was too sore. Those seats were really uncomfortable and I wondered if I would get DVT from them. And I missed my family, was in a hurry to see them again.
We were directed to collect our luggage from gate 12. We waited. And waited. Nothing. Then came the announcement that we had to collect it from gate 1, far away on the other side of the hall. By the time we got there the delivery was well underway. Then we were forced to walk all the way back again to get out through quarantine. Not happy, but at least I was waved right through.
So ends the latest adventure. What do I think of Scoot? Not much really. I found their seating truly uncomfortable and would hesitate flying with them again, unless in business class (which seems much the same as Jetstar's). Maybe with the three of us (and one short pair of legs in the middle seat) and a cheap enough fare it might be okay (especially as you can get three seats on the window together, unlike an A330), but that very early morning departure from Singapore is a killer. Scoot should definitely have an online check in facility.
I don't expect much from a low cost carrier, but why did Scoot have to choose such awful seats when at least one of their competitors didn't.
Naturally I'd rather fly a full service airline to Singapore (especially in a Qantas A380 with their wonderful economy seats), but if offered the choice between Jetstar and Scoot I think I'd rather the former. Maybe even their A32x's to Singapore via Darwin, as they have more comfortable seats and a chance to stretch my legs. Now that Alex has his own seat I think it might be more comfortable than last time. One thing I do know is that we'll be back to Singapore as soon as we can. Thanks for reading!
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16476 posts, RR: 48 Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7953 times:
Honestly Scoot looks like the worst LCC I've seen in a long time, and they're annoying schtick on their website just highlights what a poor execution the whole operation is.
Quoting allrite (Thread starter): With the yellow and blue seats the cabin was very bright and cheerful, but that's where the compliments end.
From their website "So you wanna experience flying like you’ve never flown before"
"Welcome to Economy class, with a difference."
"When you fly with Scoot you'll notice the difference. In the way we interact, the tone of our conversation, in the empowerment you'll enjoy. We're on your level, sharing the same experience. Contemporary, relaxed and fun. In essence, a whole new travel experience, with a different attitude - Scootitude™."
neutrino From Singapore, joined May 2012, 529 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7688 times:
Quoting allrite (Thread starter): I've read that once upon a time there would have been a compulsory haircut once they landed in Singapore.
That was eons ago; dating from the late sixties or so, all long-haired males were being served last at all government departments and at incoming checkpoints they have to sport short hairdos.
The celebrated new age musician-composer Kitaro was actually told to cut his trademark flowing mane when he landed at Changi in 1985. Naturally, he refused to comply and was turned back. A few years later, he was reluctantly and quietly allowed entry for his concert. I had forgotten what year it was but shortly after that, in the early nineties when I began to let my crowning glory grow to beyond shoulder length, I was on a trip back home from Brunei. At Immigration, I was ordered to get rid of my long tresses before I would be permitted back in. So I cited the case of Kitaro saying: "since a foreigner had been allowed in with his waist-length hair intact, there is no reason to treat a citizen differently". It takes some argument before some senior officers relented. From then on, though not exactly a breeze, my "Kitaro justification" would get me through with my long hair safe and billowing.
So I would guess that that draconian rule was slowly but surely being eased beginning from the late eighties/early nineties.
NZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6075 posts, RR: 40 Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7396 times:
Thanks for testing the product for me - now I'm pretty sure I won't be flying Scoot in the future. After that experience, I really wonder how CX's horrible fixed shell seats compare to these Scoot ones. I'm sure it wouldn't be too bad on a short flight such as SIN-BKK but not for a medium-long haul. But if I were to choose a LCC to fly long haul, I'd be sure to pick JQ. Are you now willing to test out D7 to KUL in order to get a perspective of all 3 long haul LCCs?
Ha ha, not really! But then I wasn't looking and really I don't take much conscious notice of such marketing when it comes to the low cost carriers. Still, I prefer them to have the attitude of cheap and cheerful (Scoot, Jetstar, AirAsia) rather than cheap and nasty (the impression I get of Ryanair and Tiger).
Quoting Delboy (Reply 4): You compalined about the legroom. If you didn't have such a large rucksac do you think it may have been better? It looked like it wouldn't have fitted under the seat in front.
I've been putting bags under the seat for as long as I can remember and this one has been on quite a few flights. Normally it's no issue. I also tried out the legroom with the bag removed. Unfortunately, the left seat support was positioned in such a way as to make my left leg very uncomfortable no matter which configuration and the width is bad enough that it's easy to clash with the person on the right. Maybe someone with a small foot might be alright. The other two seats next to me didn't look much better.
Quoting neutrino (Reply 5): From then on, though not exactly a breeze, my "Kitaro justification" would get me through with my long hair safe and billowing.
So I would guess that that draconian rule was slowly but surely being eased beginning from the late eighties/early nineties.
Great story! I knew that the haircut business was long gone and some of the locals I saw in Singapore would have competed with these guys for body adornments. But I still had an inward chuckle at their expense. Funnily enough, Kitaro's soundtrack to Heaven & Earth is a piece of music I associate with my first trip to Singapore and Malaysia and sure enough I gave it a listen on this trip.
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 6): After that experience, I really wonder how CX's horrible fixed shell seats compare to these Scoot ones.
I have tried the CX fixed shell seats on a couple of four to five hour flights and while I didn't think they were great, I don't recall them being quite so uncomfortable as Scoot's. Plus there was better legroom on CX.
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 6): Are you now willing to test out D7 to KUL in order to get a perspective of all 3 long haul LCCs?
I'm sure it will happen one day! Almost did for the Japan trip when they released the great fares with the idea that we'd go SYD-KUL with D7, to Japan with somebody and back to SYD with JQ. But then my wife dithered too long to book it. Planning to do something similar next year.
I flew out in June, and whilst the crew seemed 'puzzled' on what to do coming from SQ, they were friendly. As for the seat, 60A, it was ok, certainly comfortable and the only thing I missed, as you did, was the map! I feel that they could have kept this with monitors on bulkheads, and sold it off as advertising space! Oh well, maybe one day they may...
My return though, was in ScootBiz, so yes I had a different experience. the seats there were generous, comfortable and service was a basic economy style. The food was the same is in economy, though you were asked if you wanted it post departure from SIN or 3 hours prior to arrival into SYD.
Thanks for the read, I enjoyed it!
if my calculations are correct slinky + escalator = everlasting fun!
CXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2425 posts, RR: 5 Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6949 times:
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Quoting allrite (Thread starter): What do I think of Scoot? Not much really. I found their seating truly uncomfortable and would hesitate flying with them again, unless in business class
While it does seem that Scoot's regular economy seats are rather tight (31" pitch only), they do offer 35" pitch with their yellow "super" seats and "s-t-r-e-t-c-h" seats. I do want to fly Scoot one day, but if I do, those will be the seats I select. 35" pitch is better than most full service carriers in economy.
Thai744 From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 270 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6850 times:
Thanks for the trip report.
Of interest to me as I'm "Scooting Off" in 3 days time to SIN.
Not sure how you did that trip in the "blue" seats. When booking online I didn't hesitate to pay the extra $24 for a seat with more room. On an 8 hour flight, $3 per hour is worth it IMO.
However, they're an LCC, so I'm not expecting too much later this week!
One thing I'm sad about, being an aviation enthusiast, is the lack of an Airshow or Moving Map. I like to know where I am when I fly. Oh well.
neutrino From Singapore, joined May 2012, 529 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6737 times:
Quoting allrite (Reply 8): Funnily enough, Kitaro's soundtrack to Heaven & Earth is a piece of music I associate with my first trip to Singapore and Malaysia and sure enough I gave it a listen on this trip.
H & E is a really nice piece though my favourite is Matsuri; haunting and powerful.
And oh, he happens to look half like me or should it be the way round?
Scoot should play his music inflight. Now, that's scootitude!
allrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 1656 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6731 times:
Quoting aussiepomm (Reply 9): As for the seat, 60A, it was ok, certainly comfortable and the only thing I missed, as you did, was the map! I feel that they could have kept this with monitors on bulkheads, and sold it off as advertising space!
I read your trip report but didn't get a chance to comment (a.net on mobile devices). I'm glad that you had a better experience than me. If there was some way of wirelessly piping the map to the iPads then I might even pay for it. Pity too that they didn't put power to the economy seats - my phone (in flight mode playing mp3s and writing offline blog posts) was running very low by the end.
Quoting CXB77L (Reply 10): While it does seem that Scoot's regular economy seats are rather tight (31" pitch only), they do offer 35" pitch with their yellow "super" seats and "s-t-r-e-t-c-h" seats.
I was trying to do the entire trip for the absolute minimum. A bigger pitch would probably have helped the leg comfort but it doesn't fix the issues with the seat itself. I had 34" with MH last year, but the old worn seats meant it was less comfortable than some flights with less pitch.
Quoting Thai744 (Reply 11): Not sure how you did that trip in the "blue" seats. When booking online I didn't hesitate to pay the extra $24 for a seat with more room. On an 8 hour flight, $3 per hour is worth it IMO.
When you put it like that it doesn't sound so bad.
Quoting Thai744 (Reply 11): However, they're an LCC, so I'm not expecting too much later this week!
That's the best way to look at it. Service wise I think they're fine and as long as you don't go looking for a full service airline then the issues probably come down to your comfort. And that's obviously a personal preference.
Initious From Singapore, joined Dec 2008, 1034 posts, RR: 16 Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6348 times:
Nice to see another TR on Scoot! Your experience looked pretty similar to mine in terms of service standard and such. Probably next time you might want to pay a little more extra for Super seats which has a ton more legroom.
neutrino From Singapore, joined May 2012, 529 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6199 times:
Quoting Initious (Reply 15): ...you might want to pay a little more extra for Super seats which has a ton more legroom.
Just make sure to avoid row 34 as 35 is std row at 31" pitch which will make you even more susceptible to kicks from the kids. That and pressure on the back of my seat by someone's extended knees are chief peeves of mine.
On my frequent A320/737 flights, whenever possible, I would choose to be right in front of the emer exit row* for greater separation of the person behind from my seatback, or right at the rear end of the cabin where there will be nobody to kick my back.
* 30" or thereabouts pitch is fine with me for short flights of up to SIN-HK.
Docpepz From Singapore, joined May 2001, 1953 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days ago) and read 6102 times:
Hmm, Scoot looks dreadful. I can't say I'll be desperate to jump on their next flight soon, even if it is for $10. If SIA wanted Scoot to be as unSIA as possible to prevent dilution of their own market, well I guess they succeeded!
allrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 1656 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days ago) and read 6100 times:
Quoting MSS658 (Reply 14): It seems like Scoot is making good business with their LCC product on SIN-SYD.
I wonder how popular they will be after more fly with them. I suspect their fares will have to rise towards their competitors (or the competitors will discount) in the longer run, once their introductory period is over.
Quoting Initious (Reply 15): Probably next time you might want to pay a little more extra for Super seats which has a ton more legroom.
The problems with the super seats is that that they are towards the rear of the aircraft (and hence worse for turbulence haters) and that the window seats are in rows of 2, so not good if we travel as a family. The stretch seats would probably work better.
Quoting neutrino (Reply 16): Just make sure to avoid row 34 as 35 is std row at 31" pitch which will make you even more susceptible to kicks from the kids. That and pressure on the back of my seat by someone's extended knees are chief peeves of mine.
I had the problem of adults (and we are not talking about long legged westerners either) putting pressure on my back in the 34" pitch of Malaysia Airlines' 747 last year. Scoot's seat pockets are very tight so I suspect that people using them frequently could be an annoyance to those in front, though I don't think I experienced that much, due to the passenger sleeping most of the way.
Initious From Singapore, joined Dec 2008, 1034 posts, RR: 16 Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6078 times:
Quoting allrite (Reply 18): The problems with the super seats is that that they are towards the rear of the aircraft (and hence worse for turbulence haters) and that the window seats are in rows of 2, so not good if we travel as a family. The stretch seats would probably work better.
You aware that the Super seats are all over the aircraft? Rows 21-24 has 3-4-3 layout, so pretty good for your family. Some rows to the back has 3-4-3 too, particularly in the 2nd Economy class cabin.
signol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 2962 posts, RR: 8 Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5493 times:
nicely done, and nice to compare Scoot with Jetstar from your Japan trip. I wonder which is your preferred airline now?
Quoting allrite (Thread starter): Then it's over to the hotel desk. I was horrified to discover mid-flight that I had mistakenly booked the Hotel 81 Geylang instead of the Hotel 81 Tristar in Geylang.
I think that may have been the hotel we stayed in in Singapore back in 2002. Tiny windowless room, with a pot noodle provided each day for "breakfast". Quite adequate I thought. And even though the area isn't Singapore's best, nowhere in Singapore is that bad. (certainly not crook-ridden like Brussels )
As always some nice photos. The ticket price must have been good to endure such a long trip with time difference (Even if you mentally stayed on E Aus time) for such a short period.
So, note to self - Scoot is lower down the order list should I ever need a SE Asia / Australia flight!
allrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 1656 posts, RR: 4 Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 5340 times:
Quoting signol (Reply 21): I think that may have been the hotel we stayed in in Singapore back in 2002. Tiny windowless room, with a pot noodle provided each day for "breakfast". Quite adequate I thought.
Adequate, yes, though not with your kids now! The last few trips to Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand have made me realise that I generally don't really want to spend the entire day exploring outdoors in those countries. They are just too hot! I want an afternoon siesta. And suddenly the hotel room becomes more than just a place to rest your head. A little comfort, a swimming pool, a comfortable bed and easy convenience to great food becomes important. It's different to Europe and Japan where we would be out from early until late at night.
Quoting signol (Reply 21): he ticket price must have been good to endure such a long trip with time difference (Even if you mentally stayed on E Aus time) for such a short period.
The ticket price was very, very good. Time difference at the moment is only 2 hours, which is almost the difference between a weekday and a weekend. If you aren't going to be staying long in a place the best idea is don't look at the clock, except when you need to catch transport.
Quoting allrite (Reply 22): And suddenly the hotel room becomes more than just a place to rest your head.
Most of the time now for trips we seem to go for a holiday apartment / villa instead of a hotel, they are usually much more spacious and flexible. Not always with a pool though! Reminds me, I must write up my road trip report, won't post here as no flying involved!