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To Tread The Red Carpet, Tam On CCS-GRU-SSA!  
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9754 times:

After 1,5 half weeks home in sunny Caracas it was time to travel again.

Again to Brazil but this time to Salvador de Bahia.

Booking was made around 2 weeks in advance – with a choice of GOL CCS-GRU-SSA, Copa CCS-GIG(GRU)(REC)-SSA or with TAM CCS-GRU-SSA.
I was looking forward to use Copa but unfortunately my travel agent was not able to get competitive fares – looks like only the consolidators via the Web had decent fare on this option, so finally I choose to fly the red carpet airline.

Left my apartment in Caracas at 04:15pm for the 08:30pm departure, well over 4 hours in advance – but as always you never know how the traffic is in Caracas, even it was on a Sunday. Made my way very quick to CCS and arrived only in 30 minutes later the airport.

Ccs International Terminal

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Made my way straight to the busy Check-In area but thanks to my Lan Silver status I had the right to check in at the business class counter (unfortunately the only perk you get with Lan Silver or Commodore level at TAM is priority check-in, priority boarding, priority luggage handling and lounge access, even the LATAM merger is already ongoing, still the 2 different frequent flyer programs are in place, I was looking forward to use my upgrade certificates that I have from LAN but unfortunately it’s not possible on TAM operated flights).

Economy check in had a big line of at least 100 persons, but Business was empty, hence the process was only approximate 3 minutes to drop of the luggage, I think it would be even faster but the agent had to renter my United frequent flyer card, I am right now in the process to change my business to * instead of One World but it has basically to do that I was recently relocated from One World land Lima Peru to *land Caracas.


Made my way to have some early dinner / late lunch – and after some beers and a burger I made my way to security and emigration.
The lines were quite decent, but the heavy wave of most European and some South American flights already past. Security took me around 10 minutes and another 10 minutes of wait at emigration.

So as always I went directly to the lounge, TAM is using the Premier lounge which is quite basic but at least they have a decent offer on free booze, including different beers, 2 choices of wine and some spirits. I am quite sure that TAM will change soon the lounge in CCS to the Admirals Club.
I had some Scotch Soda and some finger sandwiches… the food options are totally limited but ok – I had only minutes before my early dinner.

After 1,5 hour I made my way to the Duty Free shop, to check out the offerings and bought some stuff that ordered my wife…, also Ccs airport has also a arrival duty free – the selection is quite limited hence I had the pleasure to buy the stuff already on the outbound flight and bring it all the way back to Ccs.

After the short shopping, I made my way to gate 25 were today’s flight was already boarding, boarding was all other than fast, but it’s already normal for flights leaving Ccs, I think it has to do that my Venezuelan friends loves to travel with a lot of hand luggage, airlines that are used to charge for hand luggage would make millions out of Ccs .

My today’s election for the seat was 10F (window as usual), but arriving my seat I was quite shocked as it was the row before the first exit row meaning no recline today, honestly what is hefty on a Red-Eye flight… but as the flight was nearly fully packed – no other choice was available any more.

Despite the non recline the legroom was ok

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During boarding – the humidity today was extreme…

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TAM going the LCC way… advertisement placed on each seat…

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Todays flight time was quite short, just 5 hours and 45 minutes, meaning an arrival in GRU at 03:30am, horrible schedule… flight is just to short to be a real redeye.. Gol’s schedule out of CCS on the same route in my opinion is much better leaving CCS at 10:45pm and arriving in GRU at 06:30am.

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Flight was slightly delayed (around 15 minutes) and we made our way to the runway, a powerful and very long take off today with the typical sharp left turn after takeoff climbing over the Caribbean sea in order to pass than again CCS the mountains the City off Caracas going straight south.

Around 1 h in flight the service started – today’s choices Chicken or Pasta (well seems to be not only today’s choice, as I was on the very same flight in March and exactly the same options and dishes were offered)

I opted for the past which was quite ok – starter was a salad, some bread and as desert a piece of cake.

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I wash it down with some cheap Brazilian red wine and some water.
The crew took forever to clear – around 1,5 hour, in my opinion absolutely not acceptable for a red eye flight…
The flight itself past quite quick, had some uncomfortable sleep and also I went 2 times to the galley to have some water.

Around 1 hour before arrival a second service commenced, all in all not bad for a relatively short flight, but tuff time at 02:30am to have something to eat.
On offer was a small hot sandwich.

We made our decent and at 03:30am we finally arrived GRU airport, despite the hour is horrible its acceptable because its one of the first fights each day and hence the customs and immigration is a breeze instead of arriving at 06:00am shortly after the US and Europe flight wave.

Today and as always no gate was given to the flight hence the deboarding was done at the tarmac – followed by a short bus ride to the terminal.
Shortly before us a Iberia flight ex BCN arrived (fully packed A340-300) but as the most passengers on both flights were Brazilians – the immigration line for foreigners was short and within 5 min I was cleared. Luggage also arrived quickly and I passed within seconds customs. Like in the US you can check through your luggage till final destination but for domestic connections you have to clear customs at the entry point, hence I made my way to the connecting check-in area which was still empty and with no Tam personal. Waiting for around 45 minutes the first counter opened and I check in again my luggage. Also I asked for the lounge access but I was really surprised to get as answer that no lounge is available at the domestic part of the terminal…

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Shortly after I left the area a big queue of passengers build up as in the meantime several other flights arrived (including Bog, FRA, CDG, LHR etc…).

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Made my way to security, which was again quick (around 15 minutes) and searched for an empty seat in order to check e-mails, very positive is that Infraero in Brazil is offering to all departing passengers fry Wifi.

Some pictures of the totally crowed domestic terminal.

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In fact it was only crowded at the first gates and in the area of the bus gates.
Quite impressive the flights that are operated from this small corner of the terminal, also I was really surprised about the massive domestic operation that Avianca Brazil has build up.

After several hours of waiting finally the boarding was called at 08:00am for a 08:45am departure.
Again it was time to take the bus but what was quite nice, as we passed a good part of the tarmac with the opportunity of some spotting.


BA 747-400 form LHR.

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IB A340-300

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Finally arrived at our A321 – the A321 is one of my most favorite aircrafts – first time for me on a JJ A321, so far I only used LH A321 on FRA-MUC-FRA and TA on LIM-EZE-Lim.

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Nice touch!

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A nearby A320

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The aircraft location was in front of Terminal 4 – the LCC terminal at GRU – indicator a Webjet B737.



A very nice touch of TAM is that they really put a Red Carpet in front of the stairs!

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Again WebJet

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Decent legroom

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Advertizing from TAM – announcing the results of SkyTrax… well Tam is not bad, but in my opinion below LA, AV/TA and CM in the region.

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Again a powerful take off and here we go – going north.
I slept biggest part of the 2,5 hours flight, but of course I had to enjoy the breakfast service
The breakfast was a small ham and cheese sandwich, some fresh fruits and a yogurt. I wash it down with a coke. Really a nice offering!

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Slept the rest of the time and just woke up during the approach.

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Unloading of the luggage

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Time to say goodbye to the sexy JJ A321

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All in all – not a bad affair with JJ – but with a horrible schedule, after I received my luggage I made my way straight to the taxis and took one to go to the hotel to have some sleep.

Hope you enjoyed the report, sorry for some bad quality of the pictures and looking forward to my next trips.
So far only following trips are booked.

1. October a Mileage Award travel on CM/TA combo with following routing CCS-LIM-MDE-PTY-TGU-SAP-PTY- BOG-CCS
2. Home leave to good old Germany for Christmas booked on LH CCS-FRA-MUC

Cheers
Avianca

[Edited 2012-08-08 21:20:43]

[Edited 2012-08-08 21:29:44]


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User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 592 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9461 times:

Nice trip report, Avianca.

TAM definitely has some of the weirdest schedules to some destinations in South America.   

Let me know when in October you'll be here in Lima.  

Cheers,



JESÚS, TE AMO !!
User currently onlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6670 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9362 times:

Hi Avianca!

Thanks for another great report with great pictures !

Very impressive of TAM to have a dinner and a second meal service on a red-eye flight. Schedule does not sound too great though; arriving at 330am is way too early.

They really should build a terminal or two more at GRU to cope with the traffic.

Looking forward to your next report !

The777Man



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User currently offlineTW From Germany, joined Jul 2011, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8372 times:

Great report Avianca

Quoting Avianca (Thread starter):
TAM going the LCC way… advertisement placed on each seat…

They had that when I flew them in 2006 for the first time. It always seems to be something about cars or trucks (at least when I fly them). OTOH, they serve food even on short flight between SDU and CGH, no coffee though on a 7 am flight, anybody know why that is?

The schedule of the flight to GRU is not the best, maybe because the airports in Brazil are so congested and slots are difficult to get.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8130 times:

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 1):
Nice trip report, Avianca.

TAM definitely has some of the weirdest schedules to some destinations in South America.

Let me know when in October you'll be here in Lima.

thanks a lot! unfortunately I will have a short connection in October, arriving from CCS and leaving to MDE within 1 hour... but for sure I still have to travel this year to LIM and I will let you know.

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 1):
Looking forward to your next report !

just booked another trip... also in october CCS-PTY-CNF-PTY-CCS the cheap was so cheap I coul not recist...

Quoting The777Man (Reply 2):

Very impressive of TAM to have a dinner and a second meal service on a red-eye flight. Schedule does not sound too great though; arriving at 330am is way too early.

also on the return flight they had 2 services... a little bit strange that the second service, again a sandwich was served only 2 hours after the dinner and still 2,5 h before the arrival.

Quoting TW (Reply 3):
They had that when I flew them in 2006 for the first time. It always seems to be something about cars or trucks (at least when I fly them). OTOH, they serve food even on short flight between SDU and CGH, no coffee though on a 7 am flight, anybody know why that is?

yes all advertisment was for MAN or VW.. strange they are not serving coffee... maybe they had a problem this day?

Cheers
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5129 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7464 times:

Thanks for the report. Your adventures since moving to CCS is getting crazy. I am finally back at the beginning of September, and have some catching up to do. Sadly, I might be leaving CCS for a 3 year contract ...

Quoting Avianca (Thread starter):
Advertizing from TAM – announcing the results of SkyTrax… well Tam is not bad, but in my opinion below LA, AV/TA and CM in the region.

= See, you are just being a Spanish speaker  . I find JJ much better than all of them.

Saludos,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7370 times:

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 5):
Thanks for the report. Your adventures since moving to CCS is getting crazy. I am finally back at the beginning of September, and have some catching up to do. Sadly, I might be leaving CCS for a 3 year contract ...

well could be better - just to much short and medium flights... I have my serious doubts that I will match my miles from 2011   .... no problem that you are leaving I am open to visit you   jejeje

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 5):
= See, you are just being a Spanish speaker . I find JJ much better than all of them.

my biggest doubt on TAM are the flight attendends... never flown them intercontinental only within the region and domestic... and yes I am not a fan of them!

Cheers
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlinepacifique75 From Portugal, joined Oct 2006, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7251 times:

Hola Avianca! Your TR was an interesting read... I flew 6 segments with TAM within Brazil and was always very impressed with their levels of service. I am really surprised that they serve 2 meals on a night flight! I would have only expected a tea/coffee service and a biscuit for an arrival at 3.30am
I must say I thought LAN were equally very good when I flew them on 3 segments, GRU-EZE-SCL-GRU.
Thanks for posting!


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6828 times:

Quoting pacifique75 (Reply 7):
Hola Avianca! Your TR was an interesting read

you are welcome!

Quoting pacifique75 (Reply 7):
I flew 6 segments with TAM within Brazil and was always very impressed with their levels of service. I am really surprised that they serve 2 meals on a night flight! I would have only expected a tea/coffee service and a biscuit for an arrival at 3.30am

yes the food service is really good on TAM, on the return flight again 2 services - what was strange that after the lunch, already 1,5 hours later the second service started... maybe they reconized that the portions are quite small for hungry guys like me  
Quoting pacifique75 (Reply 7):
I must say I thought LAN were equally very good when I flew them on 3 segments, GRU-EZE-SCL-GRU.

LAN is great but only on the widebody aircrafts and flights, on the narrobody they are not bad but specially the food service on the middle range flights like LIM-VVI, LIM-SCL, LIM-UIO-MDE is quite basic with only a small sandwich and some sweets.

Cheers
avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlinemvecchi4 From Venezuela, joined Apr 2012, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6454 times:

Hola Andreas!,

Great report as usual.

Any word on the reason from the delay leaving CCS?. Also, does TAM have the web checkin feature?

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 1):
TAM definitely has some of the weirdest schedules to some destinations in South America.

Is there any benefit to it? (airport fees maybe?). Or is it just their style?.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 5):
I am finally back at the beginning of September, and have some catching up to do

Hey, I'll be in Caracas next week for a couple of days for a training session. Pherhaps we can all meet (Avianca included of course).

Best regards all.

Miguel.


User currently offlinestipica From Croatia, joined Feb 2011, 427 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5323 times:

Hi Avianca !
me again ...what ? I have a S.America night ...ok ok tam lan lantam tam TACopa-avianca ( real not you hihiih ) gol areolineas what happens with diversity and competition in continent ... Amaro Cueto Efromovich Kriete Constantino "Kirchner" are probably members of Monopoly fan club ... but that is unfortunately only way ... thanks stipica  



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User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5129 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5220 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 6):
no problem that you are leaving I am open to visit you   jejeje

= Don't say what you don't mean ... it will be an interesting journey ...

Quoting Avianca (Reply 6):
my biggest doubt on TAM are the flight attendends... never flown them intercontinental only within the region and domestic... and yes I am not a fan of them!

Cheers
Avianca

= But here in our wonderful continent, we are blessed with that inconsistency among all the airlines. To be honest, the best service I have EVER received on Latin carriers continue to be my conViasa flight to DAM and on Aerolineas!

Quoting stipica (Reply 10):
Hi Avianca !
me again ...what ? I have a S.America night ...ok ok tam lan lantam tam TACopa-avianca ( real not you hihiih ) gol areolineas what happens with diversity and competition in continent ... Amaro Cueto Efromovich Kriete Constantino "Kirchner" are probably members of Monopoly fan club ... but that is unfortunately only way ... thanks stipica  

= Don't get me started! It pains me that in this diverse and growing continent, all we can afford is 3 airlines. It is just pathetic. As my role, whenever I fly intra-continent, I do on alternatives. Let's see. I just hope one day we in Venezuela can have another Viasa. CCS can kick all these wanna-bee hubs out of the water due to its location and rich O&D market.

Saludos,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 592 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5202 times:

Quoting mvecchi4 (Reply 9):
Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 1):
TAM definitely has some of the weirdest schedules to some destinations in South America.

Is there any benefit to it? (airport fees maybe?). Or is it just their style?.

I'm pretty sure it has to do with the fact that GRU (TAM's main hub) is a slot-controlled airport.




.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 11):
CCS can kick all these wanna-bee hubs out of the water due to its location and rich O&D market.

According to you, what are those wanna-be hubs ?



JESÚS, TE AMO !!
User currently offlinestipica From Croatia, joined Feb 2011, 427 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5129 times:

Hi Avianca ! and sorry for using your space ...

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 11):
As my role, whenever I fly intra-continent, I do on alternatives

aha I got you ... and where are the trip reports ? ... no domestic flights too ...and you are not always on business trip so no excuses ... look who's talking hehehhe

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 11):
one day we in Venezuela
Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 11):
to its location and rich O&D market.

politics politics and monopoly games but with oil and other resources Venezuela should invest in the airline business and profit from location not just from airlines but from service orientated industries ... like EK of te S.A.hehehe but problem is that behind this project world masters probably would not have they interests ... look EK / QF cooperation ...
coincidence ? ... free market my ass ... excuse-moi pour mon français

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 12):
what are those wanna-be hubs ?

Bogota-Avianca ,TACA-Central America dispersed operations , Copa -Panama city ...yes all have the potential to exploit and historical development that led them to their present positions but I thing that present mash-potato in the Star umbrella is something that just prof my theory of monopoly games ... "divide et impera" or "unire et impera" are processes which follow one another ... so strong hubs like MIA in that part off the world is not possible with such dispersed hubs policy ... coincidence ?



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5042 times:

Quoting stipica (Reply 10):
Hi Avianca !
me again ...what ? I have a S.America night ...

thats the way to go, hope you enjoyed during the reads at least some nice rum or some good red wine from Chile / Argentina or a Brazilian Caipy  
Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 11):
Don't say what you don't mean ... it will be an interesting journey ...

well just bought on the last AV/TA LifeMiles promo 300.000 Miles for just 20.000 VEF - thats at least 2 CCS-ME/Asia Business tickets... so I am open even for crazy trips  
Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 11):
But here in our wonderful continent, we are blessed with that inconsistency among all the airlines. To be honest, the best service I have EVER received on Latin carriers continue to be my conViasa flight to DAM and on Aerolineas!

very true, it can be a hit or a miss, well never travel to ConViasa or Aerolineas - also heard very good thinks for the Conviasa staff, even they are quite limited... heard not so good thinks for Aerolineas but I am sure a big part of the flight attendends are at least hot  
Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 11):
= Don't get me started! It pains me that in this diverse and growing continent, all we can afford is 3 airlines. It is just pathetic. As my role, whenever I fly intra-continent, I do on alternatives. Let's see. I just hope one day we in Venezuela can have another Viasa. CCS can kick all these wanna-bee hubs out of the water due to its location and rich O&D market.

well in this point I dont agree with you, the big + that had CCS in the past is gone, PTY or BOG have basically the same priviliged locations, but true home carrier, and dont forget that the O+D markets increased dramatically in the last yeasr in countries like Colombia, Peru etc... it will be very hard to get a new Viasa in Venezuela.. unfortunately

Quoting stipica (Reply 13):
Bogota-Avianca ,TACA-Central America dispersed operations , Copa -Panama city ...

well - PTY hub is very well working! no doubt.

cheers
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlinestipica From Croatia, joined Feb 2011, 427 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5016 times:

Hi Avianca !
for me caipirinha por favor ... 
Quoting Avianca (Reply 14):
well - PTY hub is very well working! no doubt.

they are certainly working and AV and TA too ...and I am glad ...they have O+D markets , transit and good position and is not problem being in same alliance but in this mash-potato situation who will dominate the markets under the Star AV/TA with how many hubs? or CM / with how many focus cities ? ... my view is that a AV and BOG will have the best benefit of all ... I agree that CCS missed a lot but I think with clever and flexible policy "new ConViasa" has an opportunity to make up for lost and join some alliance too
stipica  



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