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Antonov 148 And UIA On KBP-HEL  
User currently offlineFlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1706 posts, RR: 30
Posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 11454 times:

Introduction

My previous travels had gotten me as far as Kyiv, Ukraine. To get home from there I had a special flight in mind. To catch that I had to stay for two nights but it definitely was worth it - plus I could visit a certain place in Kyiv I missed on my last visit there three years prior.

The special flight was of course Air Ukraine International’s direct KBP-HEL flight. Well nothing special about that flight apart from the fact that for a while now it’s been operated by the still very rare Antonov 148 regional jet. Yes, this is the first passenger jet built in Ukraine for several decades and one that looks just like an Avro RJ but with only one pair of oversized engines instead of two pairs of hairblowers. The PS flight set me back a somewhat steep 160 EUR - both OV and BT were available for half that price but hey, for a special plane type I’ll gladly pony up the monies. As a side note I actually booked this flight while on the road on another trip, from a pub in Tartu, Estonia back in April...

The simple route for today:



I kept fearing for an equipment change, but quite remarkably nothing like that happened beforehand, not even a schedule change. Go PS!

Kyiv, Saturday 21.7.2012

My objective for my free day in Kyiv was the Ukrainian State Aviation Museum, located right next the other Kyiv airport, Zhulyany, just seven or so kilometers from the city centre. I arrived there in a very nice (if you are into retro Soviet cars) Lada taxi. Some pictures from this very nice museum:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Kyiv_1.jpg

A WizzAir Ukraine A320 taking off - the carrier moved all of its operations to IEV some time ago. When I flew them on my last visit here they were still operating ex-KBP:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Kyiv_2.jpg

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Kyiv_3.jpg

Even though it is mostly military planes there are a few interesting airliners too.

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http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Kyiv_5.jpg

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UTAir Ukraine ATR 72-500 taking off:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Kyiv_8.jpg

This is how close to the taxiway you are:

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http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Kyiv_10.jpg

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Kyiv_11.jpg

By paying a little bit extra you could go inside this IL-62:

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No wonder they needed a flight engineer:

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No overhead bins, just a shelf:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Kyiv_15.jpg

Unfortunately the seats were missing:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Kyiv_17.jpg

A beautiful Tupolev Tu-104:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Kyiv_18.jpg

“Under the wing, you know”:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Kyiv_19.jpg

After spending a few hours there I just hopped on a random bus, well the only bus running to the museum with the idea that it would drop me off at a metro station somewhere where I could take the metro back to my hotel. Well, this one certainly took me on a ride as I ended up somewhere deep in the suburbs on the eastern side of Dniepr - well that was actually quite refreshing!

Lovely bus interior:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Kyiv_20.jpg

Is this the driver’s personal stash:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Kyiv_21.jpg

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One of the finest terms ever coined by a Finnish journalist is calling the post-communist countries “Shack economies” - Ukraine certainly is a prime example of this (yes, it means that a lot of commerce and business is still conducted in all kinds of shacks and open air markets, often out of the reach of the taxman):

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Kyiv_23.jpg

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Eventually I reached a metro station and took the metro back to near my hotel:

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Together with the Tbilisi metro the Kyiv one is one of the deepest running systems in the world and these looooong escalators definitely make it feel so:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Kyiv_27.jpg

I was feeling quite half assed for the rest of the day so apart from my little jaunt to see how the real Kyivites live I just lazed around in my hotel, picking up some quite horrible take away Chinese for supper and admiring the impressive thunderstorm that cooked up during the evening hours and continued all night.

Sunday 22.7.2012

After a bit of a lie in (a noon departure - nice) it is time to get on the road again walking through the deserted Sunday morning streets (yes, Kris Kristofferson was definitely playing in my head even though I wasn’t really coming down) to the station to catch another SkyBus to the airport. Traces of the rain are still visible even though it finally stopped:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Boryspil_1.jpg

Out from nowhere a young guy appears and asks me something in Russian or Ukrainian (can’t tell the difference). I answer in English and and he switches to rather good if heavily accented English and asks where the station is. I point right down the street where one can see it, a kilometer or so away. Next he proceeds to play one of the oldest tourist scams in the book.

After walking down the street a bit he suddenly bends down as if to pick up something and suddenly shows me the thing he picked up. It turns out to be a thick wad of (faux) US Dollars wrapped inside a plastic bag. He feigns this surprised expression on his face and says “Look what I found!”. I try hard to suppress my laughter and say “Well congratulations, you are a lucky man!”

We walk forwards a bit and then he says: “I want to share this money with you, old Russian tradition for good luck”. I hesitate for a moment, the vision of a paid First class seat aboard Cathay Pacific’s flagship LHR-HKG flight flashing fast in front of my eyes before blinking and saying: “No thanks, finders keepers. You found it, you keep it.”. I keep walking forward, he keeps following me and blabbering something. Next I say to him: “Why are you still walking? You are rich now, take a taxi!”. I think he misunderstands me because he says: “You want to come to taxi with me?”. I keep walking forward.

Suddenly another young guy comes running after us yelling something. He starts babbling something about “my lost money” and so on. The first guy shows him the bag. The guy says to him “Show me your wallet, did you steal money”. He opens his wallet and shows the other guy that it is empty. Next he asks me “You, show me your wallet!”. I almost burst out laughing and say “Yeah right. Nice try.” and walk away. The guys are left standing there, probably cursing me but sorry, my skin is teflon.

Eventually I reach the station. The entrance hall on the old side is quite impressive:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Boryspil_2.jpg

On the other end on the Pivdenny side the station hall is just as impressive but for quite different reasons:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Boryspil_3.jpg

That’s a lot of trains:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Boryspil_4.jpg

Outside I buy an Ukrainian hot dog (yes, it comes with pickles) for breakfast from one of the many kiosks selling everything legal and half of the illegal articles under the sun (see, shack economy):

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Boryspil_5.jpg

Then I catch the SkyBus to the airport. This one is a full sized bus but has absolutely miserable legroom plus it is completely packed and the seat in front of me is broken so it keeps reclining on my lap whenever the girl there tries to lean back. Oh and the Orthodox priest sitting next to me smells like he hasn’t seen deodorant or a shower since the day Ukraine became visa-free for the citizens of the EU!

Beach on the Dniepr river - not sure if I would like to swim there as the water must be quite polluted:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Boryspil_6.jpg

Kyiv Boryspil Airport

KBP has changed a lot since the last time I saw it. Now UIA is located in Terminal F, which didn’t even exist three years ago. Interestingly this terminal was originally intended as a LCC terminal but nowadays in addition to UIA most of the international airlines at KBP use it - well there aren’t any real LCCs here anyway.

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Boryspil_7.jpg

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Inside the terminal is just as chaotic as I remember the old terminals to be - lots of people everywhere:

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Nice:

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I locate the shared UIA check in counters and queue there for a while. For a while I think Markus or Flieger67 is making a quick biz trip to Kyiv as the suit guy in front of me looks exactly like him, but after we chat a bit he turns out to be Dutch instead. The queue is dog slow - they are checking in an extended Chinese family and none of them appear to speak anything else than Chinese, they have around 257 pieces of luggage to check in and most of them of odd sizes, requiring frequent trips to the oversized baggage drop off point...

Just when I reach the counter I notice that there’s actually a baggage drop lane a few desks to the left - having done OLCI and all I think I could’ve used that (well later it turns out I could’ve used the business class check in desk as well but more on that later). Oh well, I drop my roller off (thank you, I’ve hauled it around long enough plus I’ve got my dangerous Belarussian liquids inside) and the girl is kinda confused “You are checked?” “Yes yes, online. No boarding pass.”. Eventually she gets it that I just want my boarding pass printed and baggage taken care of and manages to do it.

Costa, the Starbucks of the emerging nations:

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Since Costa is here I grab a huge cappuccino and go off to the side to enjoy it. To my delight I discover that the terminal also has a free wifi which even works surprisingly well.

View from the other end of the check in desks - these people are queuing for a FlyDubai flight (to DXB of course, what did you expect, ORY?) even though the desks are not slated to open for another hour:

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Some Ukrainian state IL-62s parked on the apron:

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Having finished my oh so dangerous coffee I head upstairs to departures. This customs instruction poster looks a bit weird - I do have cash on me, belonging to me but am I a legal entity or not. Oh and plenty of printed materials with me too:



How about an official Euro 2012 football from the souvenir store - only 100 EUR:

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Passport control and security are effortless and smooth, with some very nice security officers:

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As per the modern norm you are dumped right in the middle of the duty free store after it:

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I do some shopping (and discover to my delight that when paying with Hrivnas one can get the change in Euro) and then take a look around the departure hall. Sure this one looks a little low cost (no jetways, bare metal structures etc.) but also quite modern and doesn’t really look that different from the old international terminal:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Boryspil_19.jpg

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Nice apron views due to the large windows:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Boryspil_21.jpg

Nice livery but just what the heck is that name, “Windrose”:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Boryspil_22.jpg

Something interesting landing from Greece:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Boryspil_23.jpg

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Boryspil_24.jpg

UIA runs the only lounge in this terminal - sadly no access today (or so I thought):

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Boryspil_25.jpg

After taking a small tour around I head to the bar at the TGIF for a couple of beers. The guys at the bar try hard to make me take some vodkas to go with them but I tell them that no vodka before noon, thank you.

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Boryspil_26.jpg

While there I decide to check out the Flying Blue rules regarding UIA (they are a partner). To my surprise I notice that in addition to mileage earnings Flying Blue status actually qualifies one to use the business class check in desks and even the lounge! I really want to check out the lounge so I down the last of my beer, pay up the tab and head towards the lounge. Unfortunately I’m too late as halfway there I hear a boarding call for Helsinki - oh well, I guess it wasn’t meant to be...

Hmm, where is this:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Boryspil_27.jpg

Oh, I get it:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Boryspil_28.jpg

As I mentioned no jetways here so downstairs to a waiting bus we go. Well a bus or a “moving advertising platform” - who knows:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Boryspil_29.jpg

Have I ever mentioned how I hate bus boardings? There’s a long wait for some last minute passengers as usual. I chat some with some Turkish guys living in Finland who are coming from IST while we wait. Some 75% of the passengers appear to be Ukrainian with most of the rest being Finns and some oddballs like the Turks thrown in for good measure.

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Boryspil_30.jpg

No chance for any photos from the bus, annoying:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/Boryspil_31.jpg

Eventually the bus stops in front of... what else than the expected AN-148, yes!

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_1.jpg

Looks a bit like an Avro:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_2.jpg

Except for these oversized engines:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_4.jpg

Ok, it indeed is:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_3.jpg

Once more:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_6.jpg

KBP - HEL
PS621
AN-148 UR-NTD
Seat 15E
12.42 - 14.39

Inside a business friendly young male purser is greeting us. The crew has gotten new uniforms since I last flew with UIA and these ones are way nicer than the in-your-face old bright blue uniforms.

There are three rows of real business class seats in 2-2 layout, colored gray:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_7.jpg

Whereas economy seats are in blue-gray two-tone. Notice the legroom on the “bulkhead” row:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_8.jpg

Notice the lack of legroom on the non-bulkhead row:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_9.jpg

Seats are in 2-3 layout just like they are supposed to be on an Avro (too bad some greedy operators cram in 3-3, that is very tight).

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_10.jpg

My seat is on the penultimate row, for some reason the last row was not available for picking from the OLCI. A bunch of Ukrainian guys are assigned seats there:

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The curtain to the back galley is closed, the second FA is hiding behind it to avoid having to greet passengers (or maybe she actually has some real work to do):

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_12.jpg

Legroom is indeed not the greatest:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_13.jpg

“Good to know” like Markus would say:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_14.jpg

Modern cabin controls although the light looks kinda weird - reminds me of frog spawn:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_15.jpg

The load is good, only a handful of empty seats in economy and some passengers in business class as well. After AY withdrew from this route UIA has a monopoly and it seems to be paying off.

The things people carry as hand luggage:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_16.jpg

The safety card - confusing and looks quite amateurish:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_17.jpg

And this plane looks just plain ugly:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_18.jpg

A view to the inflight magazine - I’m sure PlaneHunter will find some errors here in no time at all:



The second FA makes an appearance for securing the cabin - Markus would like her:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_19.jpg

A flight time of 1h50mins is announced with departure pretty much on time.

Hmm, interesting to see a Sterling bird here - also notice the Lada:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_21.jpg

Hmm, is it “Sterling” or “Sterli”:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_22.jpg

UR-AAQ is operating for AeroSvit these days, apparently they aren’t sweet enough to repaint their loot.

Oh and apparently they aren’t sweet enough to equip their 767 with BOTH winglets:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_23.jpg

At least this one has two, must be the flagship of the fleet:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_24.jpg

It takes around 10 minutes to taxi to runway 36R, but at least we are allowed to overtake these Dniproavia ERJ-145 and AeroSvit 737 - the excellent STOL performance of our Antonov might have something to do with it as well since we enter the runway somewhere in the middle:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_25.jpg

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_26.jpg

Take off is like in an Avro, very powerful and not using much of the runway. The engines are quite noisy though, noisier than in the obvious comparison, the Avro.

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_27.jpg

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Boryspil city:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_29.jpg

This would be the view for most of this flight:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_30.jpg

Now here’s a shot for widebodyroga - it is not only the Indian people who seem to do this (oh and I forgot to mention on the earlier part that those Ukrainian seatmates of mine also suffered from the “inflated balls syndrome”):

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_32.jpg

Gross:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_31.jpg

I decide to make a visit to the little boy’s room and to explore the back galley a bit.

Cabin view from the back - I actually like these subtle colors:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_34.jpg

They have this funky transparent colored wall between the galley area and the cabin:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_33.jpg

View of the back galley area - notice the FA rummaging for something in the storage cupboard (pantry?):

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_35.jpg

The back door:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_36.jpg

Map of all the emergency equipment on board:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_37.jpg

And very nice for them to print the reg here:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_38.jpg

Wonder what’s in it - a Rambo knife perhaps or maybe a spare IPad:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_39.jpg

Some shots from the lavatory:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Kyiv_Helsinki_07_2012/To_Helsinki_40.jpg

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User currently offlineFlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1706 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 11485 times:

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Fancy a drink while doing your business - simply press here:

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Yours truly, sans head:

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By the time I emerge from my little exploration trip the service has commenced so I head back to my seat. On offer today is a sandwich with cheese and chicken in it. Quite large but a bit on the dry side:

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Drinks offerings consist of the usual soft drinks, juices and hot drinks but no alcohol of any kind. I settle for some coffee:

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Somebody is definitely drinking alcohol though as all throughout the flight a very strong aroma of cognac is noticeable. Goes nicely with my coffee  . Actually while deboarding at HEL I notice that the three Ukrainian lads on the row behind me managed to down a full 0.7 litre bottle of cognac (straight from the Kyiv duty free) during this flight and left the empty bottle on their seats...

The clouds only start giving way over Estonia with not much flight time remaining:

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By the time we are over Võrtsjärv lake, the second largest lake in Estonia (and the largest one entirely within the country’s borders as the larger Lake Peipus has the Estonian-Russian border running in the middle):

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Passing just east of Tallinn, the Tallinn - Narva (- St. Petersburg) highway on sight:

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Upon reaching the Estonian north coast we commence our descent for HEL:

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Hello Finland, can’t say I missed you much:

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Making landfall over Sipoo, just east of the Helsinki metropolitan area:

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Flying past the giant Kilpilahti oil refinery:

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A left hand turn to line up for a landing on the 22s:

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Flying over Kerava which then means a landing on 22L:

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Over the piano keys - one thing about the AN-148 is the windows, they are quite curved as evident from the distortion in this image:

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Total flight time was around 1h45mins.

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Apron parking position as usual with these smaller planes. This time I don’t mind at all as it gives me the change to shoot some more photos:

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This photo shows quite clearly just how swept back the wing actually is:

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No, it is July:

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Good to see Ivchenko still producing quality engines - love that name Progress (weren’t the Soviet space rockets called the same?):

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A quick bus ride to the terminal and then onwards to immigration. This time all the manned counters have the “All passports” signs and a ton of Japanese people queuing so I decide to try the E-passport automated machines for the first time ever. To my surprise the machine works just fine (yes, I have my doubts) and I step out into our little land of lakes for the umpteenth time.

Most of the Japanese passengers are heading upstairs for transit whereas me and most (if not all) the passengers from my flight are heading forwards to the luggage hall:

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Luggage is rather quick, customs doesn’t want anything to do with me (which is good as I was WAY over my legal limit) and once outside I catch the trusty bus home, trying to get used to the idea that I have to be back in the office the next morning...

Conclusions

Well, I am a big fan of the Avro RJ, I like those cute planes a lot (as long as you stick to the 2-3 seating layout). Maybe it comes from flying with them dozens of times when they still were the workhorses of the Blue1 fleet. The Antonov 148 felt like a modernized version of the Avro - looked pretty similar from the inside and had that same high mounted wing as its basic structure. However bigger engines mean more noise, and the plane was definitely louder than any Avro even during cruise. Seating comfort on the UIA layout was a bit lacking, an inch more of legroom would have been nice.

The UIA service was okay for a flight of this duration, the cabin staff a bit reserved but that’s mostly just the service culture in these countries.

Happy contrails!


User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 11313 times:

Hey P!

Great report, and nice to see you logged the An-148! Good that Ukraine keeps building new airplanes, now if only Saab would go official with that rumored turboprop!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):

I kept fearing for an equipment change, but quite remarkably nothing like that happened beforehand, not even a schedule change. Go PS!

I know that feeling, I was worried dead that my IL-96 would be replaced, even at last minute, but more on that in my next report.  
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
My objective for my free day in Kyiv was the Ukrainian State Aviation Museum

Great idea, and some nice Soviet-era airliners there.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Nice livery but just what the heck is that name, “Windrose”:

"Nice livery"? Really?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):

Oh and apparently they aren’t sweet enough to equip their 767 with BOTH winglets:

At least this one has two, must be the flagship of the fleet:

Glad to see a couple of VV 67's. Some of them are actually ex-SAS frames if I am not mistaken, so glad (and rather suitable) to see them wearing blue and yellow colors!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):

This photo shows quite clearly just how swept back the wing actually is:

Very swept back indeed.
And btw, speaking of nice liveries, that's a nice livery.

Martin


User currently offlinesultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1718 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 11310 times:
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Hi Petteri,

Good job my friend! Not too many reviews here on this Avro clone, so this one is very welcome. The pics of Kyiv and the aviation museum were very interesting and oh, I’m glad you didn’t get mugged. Brussels still appears to be on the safer side, just like a thought 

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
As a side note I actually booked this flight while on the road on another trip, from a pub in Tartu, Estonia back in April...

What drinking some beers is good for.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
UTAir Ukraine ATR 72-500 taking off:

What a nice and refreshing tail design. I’m glad these Russian carriers also like some more colours on their planes every now and then.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Unfortunately the seats were missing:

Huh, there is one  

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
The guys are left standing there, probably cursing me but sorry, my skin is teflon.

   But I can really imagine lots of people buying this trick. Besides as it is a ‘tourist trap, I don’t think they will have that many victims a day or am I wrong here?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
the station hall

That resembles somewhat to NYC’s Grand Central.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
That’s a lot of trains

 Wow! Is that the schedule for the day?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
with some very nice security officers

By the looks or by the way they treated you?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Nice livery but just what the heck is that name, “Windrose”

Nice livery my ***   That is truly a very very ‘faux’ one imho.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Have I ever mentioned how I hate bus boardings?

You have, multiple times. Last time in the report before this one actually  

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Some shots from the lavatory

Oh no, another lavatoryphile!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
No, it is July

Woohaa! 10 puns... err points for u!

Sultanils



In thrust we trust.
User currently offlinepalmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1223 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11223 times:

Great report FF

I really enjoyed the museum photos - as you know. Great to see so many Russian commercial aircraft too - even though most were military. Cool snaps.

That Antonov sure is ugly - I agree with you. The engines look way too big in proportion to the rest of the aircraft. Still the interior looked quite light and airy and clean, even if seat pitch was a bit dodgy.

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Fancy a drink while doing your business - simply press here:

I nearly snorted out my water at my desk reading this.

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Making landfall over Sipoo, just east of the Helsinki metropolitan area

ditto ! Is Sipoo related to Espoo by any chance? Are they twinned? LOL !!!

Thanks for a super report. I've been very much looking forward to this one.

Palmjet



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User currently offlineCaptainRed From Germany, joined Oct 2010, 684 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 10794 times:

Hi P.

just finished reading all three parts of this great journey to some of the former Soviet countries. Again a very enjoyable read with some great pictures. Looks like you had some ups and down on that trip, but well, that makes it all the more exciting and adventurous. Tbilisi really looks like a very interesting city.

And after all that the return flight on an Antonov, for sure an interesting little plane, and indeed a rather rare type, good catch, definitely worth to spend the extra money for that flight.

Greetings
CaptainRed


User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3270 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10469 times:

Nice finale P!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):

The special flight was of course Air Ukraine International’s direct KBP-HEL flight. Well nothing special about that flight apart from the fact that for a while now it’s been operated by the still very rare Antonov 148 regional jet.

Very nice. Lucky there was no equipemtn change

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Even though it is mostly military planes there are a few interesting airliners too.

I like the Aeroflot helicopter in orange

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
picking up some quite horrible take away Chinese for supper

Ugh. much like yuou say never eat smoked salmon, never eat Chinese food unless:
a) you're in China
b) it's home cooked by Chinese
c) you are in a foreign restaurant catering to Chinese expats.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
After walking down the street a bit he suddenly bends down as if to pick up something and suddenly shows me the thing he picked up. It turns out to be a thick wad of (faux) US Dollars wrapped inside a plastic bag. He feigns this surprised expression on his face and says “Look what I found!”. I try hard to suppress my laughter and say “Well congratulations, you are a lucky man!”
We walk forwards a bit and then he says: “I want to share this money with you, old Russian tradition for good luck”. I hesitate for a moment, the vision of a paid First class seat aboard Cathay Pacific’s flagship LHR-HKG flight flashing fast in front of my eyes before blinking and saying: “No thanks, finders keepers. You found it, you keep it.”. I keep walking forward, he keeps following me and blabbering something. Next I say to him: “Why are you still walking? You are rich now, take a taxi!”. I think he misunderstands me because he says: “You want to come to taxi with me?”. I keep walking forward.
Suddenly another young guy comes running after us yelling something. He starts babbling something about “my lost money” and so on. The first guy shows him the bag. The guy says to him “Show me your wallet, did you steal money”. He opens his wallet and shows the other guy that it is empty. Next he asks me “You, show me your wallet!”. I almost burst out laughing and say “Yeah right. Nice try.” and walk away. The guys are left standing there, probably cursing me but sorry, my skin is teflon.

Ha, not heard that one before. I think I may have been a bit more gullible than you. Having said that, I probably would have shaken him off earlier.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Nice livery but just what the heck is that name, “Windrose”:

I don't know, but I think I like the livery

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Gross:

Indeed. You should have got the Rambo knife from the survial kit (or used the iPad with extra force)

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 1):
Some shots from the lavatory:

I like the box of tissues. Did the toilet use blue water?



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6808 posts, RR: 77
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10044 times:

Hi P.,

another great report from you! Really nice to get an impression of that new type - it belongs to the few Russian types which I'm interested in.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
The PS flight set me back a somewhat steep 160 EUR - both OV and BT were available for half that price but hey, for a special plane type I%u2019ll gladly pony up the monies.

Of course it's worth it!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Something interesting landing from Greece:

The question is how long this carrier will survive.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Except for these oversized engines:

I like those, very cool stuff.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
A view to the inflight magazine - I%u2019m sure PlaneHunter will find some errors here in no time at all:

I'm quite sure that not all 735s are powered by 3C1 versions of the CFM56 and all the range figures seem to be too optimistic, but UIA has done a good job.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Oh and apparently they aren%u2019t sweet enough to equip their 767 with BOTH winglets:

Good catch!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Take off is like in an Avro, very powerful and not using much of the runway. The engines are quite noisy though, noisier than in the obvious comparison, the Avro.

Sounds really good!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):

Drinks offerings consist of the usual soft drinks, juices and hot drinks but no alcohol of any kind. I settle for some coffee:

No alcohol on a flight between Ukraine and Finland? Very odd.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2429 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10001 times:

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 2):
The Antonov 148 felt like a modernized version of the Avro - looked pretty similar from the inside and had that same high mounted wing as its basic structure.

Nice TR from a more "unusual" aircraft... However, some airlines, like Aeroflot, are not so happy as you are:
http://en.rian.ru/business/20120821/175352627.html


User currently offlineMSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2474 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9800 times:

Hey Petteri

Thanks for presenting us this one.
The Antonov is not one you get to see everyday.
As said, it looks pretty much the like the Avro's just the difference there is only 2 engines.
Ukraine aviation museum looks good as well, full of things we don't get to see everyday.

Greetings
Marc



Next trip report: Well worn A330s and Hassle free MUC transfer
User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1714 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9496 times:

Hej "flying men will hit the ground". Nice report!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Kyiv, Ukraine

It's Kiev. Stop mixing in with Finish!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
As a side note I actually booked this flight while on the road on another trip, from a pub in Tartu, Estonia back in April..

Hmm, I'm guessing you were drunk since €160 for a one way short haul flight is really expensive!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
The simple route for today:

Not very FF76-like...

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
s I ended up somewhere deep in the suburbs on the eastern side of Dniepr - well that was actually quite refreshing!

Place looks just like Minsk, especially with those dull buildings.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
I hesitate for a moment, the vision of a paid First class seat aboard Cathay Pacific’s flagship LHR-HKG flight flashing fast in front of my eyes

You know, if you ever decide to be come an AAdvantage® Executive Platinum® cardholder, the miles earned + the VERY generous 100% Elite Bonus, given on all OneWorld airlines would've easily earned enough miles for a trip in your beloved Cathay Pacific First Class.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
The guys are left standing there, probably cursing me but sorry, my skin is teflon.

What the heck did they even want to achieve with this "stunt"?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Costa, the Starbucks of the emerging nations:

I hate Costa. It's evil of all Starbucks® knock-offs!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
these people are queuing for a FlyDubai flight (to DXB of course, what did you expect, ORY?) even though the desks are not slated to open for another hour:

Man, talk about taking gate lice (or well desk lice) to a completely new level!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
While there I decide to check out the Flying Blue rules regarding UIA (they are a partner).

I was kind of expecting this when I began reading the report. ScaryTeam seem to have partnerships with practically every weirdo airline on the planet. Did the flight qualify as a status segment as well?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
love that name Progress (weren’t the Soviet space rockets called the same?):

It's the name of the unmanned supply capsules the russians send to the International Space Station. Proton is the name of one a rocket.

"Wheels Up!"
//Jonas



SAS Plus is Business Class made faux!
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6808 posts, RR: 77
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9399 times:

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 10):

Hmm, I'm guessing you were drunk since €160 for a one way short haul flight is really expensive!

You'd even say that if it was a ride on Concorde, right? It's not just the price what matters in life!

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 10):
AAdvantage® Executive Platinum® cardholder

That's as ridiculous as the term "ScaryTeam".

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 10):
I hate Costa. It's evil of all Starbucks® knock-offs!

Because it's not your beloved brand? I have had excellent espresso at Costa. And it's not as (ridiculously) expensive as Starbucks.


Quoting LH4116 (Reply 10):
ScaryTeam seem to have partnerships with practically every weirdo airline on the planet. Did the flight qualify as a status segment as well?

Why do you call UIA a weird airline? Personal experiences? Secret insider knowledge? Get real, Jonas.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8546 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9305 times:
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Hi P!

Great read and pictures, thanks for sharing.

Nice to see pictures of the aircraft museum again, I really want to visit there one day, the pictures are a good reminder!

Good catch to get the Antonov, lucky man!

Cheers

Mark



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User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 5170 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9220 times:

Hi, P.,

sure great stuff again. Interesting to follow and well done pictures.
Congrats to the special plane type.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
“Under the wing, you know”:

That´s the way I like!.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
. For a while I think Markus or Flieger67 is making a quick biz trip to Kyiv as the suit guy in front of me looks exactly like him, but after we chat a bit he turns out to be Dutch instead.

No way to go without a notice to my friend from Finland.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):

Passport control and security are effortless and smooth, with some very nice security officers:

I should keep an eye at Ukraine.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):

“Good to know” like Markus would say:

Definitely.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):

The second FA makes an appearance for securing the cabin - Markus would like her:

Well these country climbs on my to-do-again-list.

Greetings,
Markus(FLIEGER67)



Next: Capital travel on schedule!.
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26999 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9122 times:

Hi very nice report. Certainly an interesting route and aircraft.

Loved the pics from the museum especially the IL62 but shame there is no seating inside even just a few rows.

Shame you missed the lounge but I guess you will know next time .

Thanks for the pleasant read.

Philip  


User currently offlinelukeyboy95 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 1092 posts, RR: 31
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9088 times:

Greetings P. of FF fame.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Outside I buy an Ukrainian hot dog (yes, it comes with pickles) for breakfast from one of the many kiosks selling everything legal and half of the illegal articles under the sun (see, shack economy):

oooh... and not light on the pickles either! Funny to hear of that scam and I was glad it didn't get ugly at all... I mean - are people so idle they need to come up with these scams. For the same investment (the wad of dollars) they could probably start their own little honest shack business... sad

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Ukraine became visa-free for the citizens of the EU!

Another one bites the dust! Far east Europe has never been so accessible. That can't have been that long?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 1):
Have I ever mentioned how I hate bus boardings? There’s a long wait for some last minute passengers as usual

Some airlines do do it well and just run a stream of buses. But I also hate it when they wait for stragglers.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 1):
the three Ukrainian lads on the row behind me managed to down a full 0.7 litre bottle of cognac (straight from the Kyiv duty free) during this flight and left the empty bottle on their seats...

Hey! My sorta seatmates....

No doubt you are off this weekend too... many thank for another unique report P.

rgds

L



Breaking down the stereotypes - one by one
User currently offlineWidebodyroga From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 613 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8962 times:

Hey Petteri,

Nice conclusion to what was clearly a very enjoyable trip overall.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
one that looks just like an Avro RJ but with only one pair of oversized engines instead of two pairs of hairblowers.

I have to confess that I know next to nothing about Soviet and ex-Soviet aircraft so no wonder that I've never heard of this bad boy. By the looks of it it must be a fun ride despite the high noise levels.


Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Some pictures from this very nice museum:

Great stuff.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
picking up some quite horrible take away Chinese for supper

I know that you said you were tired and not in the mood for further (culinary or not) exploration but how come did you not try something local? I mean, ordering Chinese in a eastern European country is kinda asking for it. I used to think that Chinese food in Bulgaria was pretty awesome, but that was because I was young and had never left the country... You must have been knackered.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Out from nowhere a young guy appears and asks me something in Russian or Ukrainian (can’t tell the difference). I answer in English and and he switches to rather good if heavily accented English and asks where the station is. I point right down the street where one can see it, a kilometer or so away. Next he proceeds to play one of the oldest tourist scams in the book.

After walking down the street a bit he suddenly bends down as if to pick up something and suddenly shows me the thing he picked up. It turns out to be a thick wad of (faux) US Dollars wrapped inside a plastic bag. He feigns this surprised expression on his face and says “Look what I found!”. I try hard to suppress my laughter and say “Well congratulations, you are a lucky man!”

We walk forwards a bit and then he says: “I want to share this money with you, old Russian tradition for good luck”. I hesitate for a moment, the vision of a paid First class seat aboard Cathay Pacific’s flagship LHR-HKG flight flashing fast in front of my eyes before blinking and saying: “No thanks, finders keepers. You found it, you keep it.”. I keep walking forward, he keeps following me and blabbering something. Next I say to him: “Why are you still walking? You are rich now, take a taxi!”. I think he misunderstands me because he says: “You want to come to taxi with me?”. I keep walking forward.

Suddenly another young guy comes running after us yelling something. He starts babbling something about “my lost money” and so on. The first guy shows him the bag. The guy says to him “Show me your wallet, did you steal money”. He opens his wallet and shows the other guy that it is empty. Next he asks me “You, show me your wallet!”. I almost burst out laughing and say “Yeah right. Nice try.” and walk away. The guys are left standing there, probably cursing me but sorry, my skin is teflon.

Talking about sketchy schemes! That's just terrible and sad. Good thing that you dealt with them in a clever way.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Nice livery but just what the heck is that name, “Windrose”:

Holy Mother of Christ. There we go again with the pan-Ukrainian design. Apparently it's not just AeroSvit and DumbassAero that use this design but so does... Windrose. They use different colors but the design is identical. Sometimes I wonder, what did the Ukrainians, as a nation, did in a previous life to be punished with such a bad sense of taste? A genocide or two, to say the least.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Hmm, where is this:

I find it hysterical how in Russian, Ukrainian and Belorussian, they add all these extra "ye", "uh" and "yi" sounds to every word, including foreign names. Yeluhsinki? Really?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Seats are in 2-3 layout just like they are supposed to be on an Avro (too bad some greedy operators cram in 3-3, that is very tight).

It seems that every Avro I've been in my life has had a 3-3 config. Sardines is a word that comes to mind.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
The things people carry as hand luggage:

Haha. Good thing they weren't carrying any live chickens.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Now here’s a shot for widebodyroga - it is not only the Indian people who seem to do this (oh and I forgot to mention on the earlier part that those Ukrainian seatmates of mine also suffered from the “inflated balls syndrome”):

Jumalauta! Two of my greatest pet peeves. How inconsiderate. tisk tisk tisk. Regarding the Swollen Testicles Syndrome I'm starting to suspect that it's genetic or otherwise hereditary. It is mainly seen in eastern Europeans and Americans (especially of the rural kind) from what I can tell.


Thanks for the read,

Stojan



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2408 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8775 times:

Hi FlyingFinn! Great trip report! I was actually in Boryspil airport at the same time as you. I was over in terminal B waiting for my late evening departure for CPH  

User currently offlineFlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1706 posts, RR: 30
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8645 times:

Hi guys, great to see so many comments! Thanks a million!

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 2):
Good that Ukraine keeps building new airplanes, now if only Saab would go official with that rumored turboprop!

I don't see the need to build an entirely new one - simply reopen the production lines for the Saab 2000. It is a fully modern design and a great plane. Maybe install new engines if there's been big developments on that front... The good thing about the rising fuel prices is that turboprops are making a comeback, which I of course like!

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 2):
"Nice livery"? Really?
Quoting sultanils (Reply 3):
Nice livery my ***   That is truly a very very ‘faux’ one imho.

Well at least it is different from the norm. I kinda like it.

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 2):
Glad to see a couple of VV 67's. Some of them are actually ex-SAS frames if I am not mistaken, so glad (and rather suitable) to see them wearing blue and yellow colors!

Hahah yeah quite appropriate! Although SAS did not have even a single winglet on them!

Quoting sultanils (Reply 3):
What drinking some beers is good for.

Yeah, eases the pain for spending money...  
Quoting sultanils (Reply 3):
   But I can really imagine lots of people buying this trick. Besides as it is a ‘tourist trap, I don’t think they will have that many victims a day or am I wrong here?

No idea. Probably someone does fall for it every now and them - otherwise they wouldn't be trying it would they?

Quoting sultanils (Reply 3):
  Is that the schedule for the day?

No idea - it is in Ukrainian after all. But I assume so.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 3):
By the looks or by the way they treated you?

By the looks. Check out the photo.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 3):
Woohaa! 10 puns... err points for u!

I knew you would approve!

Quoting palmjet (Reply 4):
Still the interior looked quite light and airy and clean, even if seat pitch was a bit dodgy.

The subtle gray colors remind me of the new Blue1 interiors.

Quoting palmjet (Reply 4):
I nearly snorted out my water at my desk reading this.

Hah, that would've been a great sight. A ruined computer not so.

Quoting palmjet (Reply 4):
ditto ! Is Sipoo related to Espoo by any chance? Are they twinned? LOL !!!

Err what? Can't really understand your point here. But Sipoo lies to the east of Helsinki, just like Espoo lies to the west. But they are completely different, Sipoo is very rural and mostly Swedish-speaking, Espoo is the second biggest city in this country and not that rural.

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 5):
Looks like you had some ups and down on that trip, but well, that makes it all the more exciting and adventurous.

Yep, there are always good moments and bad moments. That's what keeps things interesting.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 6):
Ugh. much like yuou say never eat smoked salmon, never eat Chinese food unless:
Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 16):
I know that you said you were tired and not in the mood for further (culinary or not) exploration but how come did you not try something local? I mean, ordering Chinese in a eastern European country is kinda asking for it. I used to think that Chinese food in Bulgaria was pretty awesome, but that was because I was young and had never left the country... You must have been knackered.

I know, I know. The best Chinese food I've ever eaten was in China of course. But sometimes you get the desire to eat at least a faux version of it. And as I mentioned there was a huge thunderstorm that night with heavy rainfall and this place was the closest one to the hotel.

Actually there were Chinese people eating in that restaurant, I think they were friends of the owners (also Chinese). Oh and the Ukrainian waiter girls were adorable, they were kinda dumbstruck that I was ordering takeaway, doesn't seem to be the norm there  .

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 6):
I don't know, but I think I like the livery

Nice to hear I'm not the only one!

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 6):
Indeed. You should have got the Rambo knife from the survial kit (or used the iPad with extra force)

Hah. Luckily it was not on my face!

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 6):
I like the box of tissues. Did the toilet use blue water?

Hmm I didn't take notice actually.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 7):
another great report from you! Really nice to get an impression of that new type - it belongs to the few Russian types which I'm interested in.

Well Ukrainian actually but yes, it sure is an interesting type. Maybe we will see a PlaneHunter report from Ukraine one of these days?


Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 7):
Something interesting landing from Greece:
The question is how long this carrier will survive.

The question is how long this country will survive...  
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 7):
Except for these oversized engines:
I like those, very cool stuff.

Kinda like things in Texas...

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 7):
I'm quite sure that not all 735s are powered by 3C1 versions of the CFM56 and all the range figures seem to be too optimistic, but UIA has done a good job.

Yes, those ranges looked a bit too high for me too.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 7):
Oh and apparently they aren%u2019t sweet enough to equip their 767 with BOTH winglets:
Good catch!

Actually I didn't even notice it at the spot, only after going through the photos at home.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 7):
No alcohol on a flight between Ukraine and Finland? Very odd.

Well it was BYOB  . I guess they've had lots of problems so decided to stop serving and selling it...

Quoting debonair (Reply 8):
Nice TR from a more "unusual" aircraft... However, some airlines, like Aeroflot, are not so happy as you are:

This could just be the usual Russian propaganda in favor of the SSJ.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 10):
Hej "flying men will hit the ground". Nice report!

What on earth are you talking about? And once again Jonas, I'm impressed by your capacity of not commenting anything about the actual report but just sticking to some tiny irrelevant facts instead. It takes real talent to be able to do that, congratulations!

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 10):
Kyiv, Ukraine
It's Kiev. Stop mixing in with Finish!

Oh dear. First of all in Finnish (with two "n"s) it is "Kiova". And there are contradicting ways of transliterating the original name written in cyrillic (Київ) into western alphabets. Some years ago "Kyiv" seemed to be the officially accepted way, but these days "Kiev" is making a comeback.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 10):
Hmm, I'm guessing you were drunk since €160 for a one way short haul flight is really expensive!

No I wasn't drunk. And it is not really expensive - do you seriously think that airlines are making any money at those 75 EUR Stockholm - Paris roundtrips? At this price point UIA probably even made a small profit from my ticket or at least
broke even.

And it is a special plane so of course I'll pay more.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 10):
Place looks just like Minsk, especially with those dull buildings.

Well any ex-Soviet block city has suburbs full of these kids of concrete buildings. Heck even East Berlin is full of them.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 10):
You know, if you ever decide to be come an AAdvantage® Executive Platinum® cardholder, the miles earned + the VERY generous 100% Elite Bonus, given on all OneWorld airlines would've easily earned enough miles for a trip in your beloved Cathay Pacific First Class.

Yes, maybe I should do just that because Jonas (TM) says so.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 10):
What the heck did they even want to achieve with this "stunt"?

Steal money, what else. If you take the money and put it in your wallet they threaten to call the police unless you hand them back. You show your wallet - they steal it or at least the money in it.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 10):
I hate Costa. It's evil of all Starbucks® knock-offs!

What did Costa ever do to you? Have you ever visited one? I find both of them good, and Costa gets bonus points for their absolutely ridiculously oversized biggest cup size.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 10):
I was kind of expecting this when I began reading the report. ScaryTeam seem to have partnerships with practically every weirdo airline on the planet. Did the flight qualify as a status segment as well?

No it didn't qualify, just gave me 750 non-qualifying miles. But otherwise your statement is another typical pointless Jonas blabber.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 11):
Why do you call UIA a weird airline? Personal experiences? Secret insider knowledge? Get real, Jonas.

+1.

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 12):
Nice to see pictures of the aircraft museum again, I really want to visit there one day, the pictures are a good reminder!

You would appreciate the Ukrainian women too, Mark, I know it!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 14):
Loved the pics from the museum especially the IL62 but shame there is no seating inside even just a few rows.

Yes, would've loved trying the original seats to see what the comfort was like.

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 15):
I mean - are people so idle they need to come up with these scams. For the same investment (the wad of dollars) they could probably start their own little honest shack business... sad

I'm pretty sure those dollars were not real money.

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 15):
Another one bites the dust! Far east Europe has never been so accessible. That can't have been that long?

Well three years ago when I was there it was a new thing so it is not that new. Not widely known perhaps?

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 15):
No doubt you are off this weekend too... many thank for another unique report P.

No, I'm not off to anywhere! Taking a few weeks easy at home before the big trip to Japan in one and half weeks...

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 16):
Sometimes I wonder, what did the Ukrainians, as a nation, did in a previous life to be punished with such a bad sense of taste? A genocide or two, to say the least.

Come on. It is not that bad.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 16):
I find it hysterical how in Russian, Ukrainian and Belorussian, they add all these extra "ye", "uh" and "yi" sounds to every word, including foreign names. Yeluhsinki? Really?

Well I'm not that fluent in Cyrillic in order to understand this, but if you say so!

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 16):
It seems that every Avro I've been in my life has had a 3-3 config. Sardines is a word that comes to mind.

Really? The Avros were designed with a 2-3 layout in mind and luckily Blue1 who I've flown most of my Avro flights with chose to use this configuration.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 16):
Haha. Good thing they weren't carrying any live chickens.

Or dead ones for that matter...

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 16):
Jumalauta! Two of my greatest pet peeves. How inconsiderate. tisk tisk tisk.

Hah, so funny hearing you "say" "Jumalation"  .

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 17):
I was actually in Boryspil airport at the same time as you. I was over in terminal B waiting for my late evening departure for CPH  

Really? What a small world it is! Too bad I was in a completely different terminal building though...


User currently offlinepalmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1223 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8620 times:

Quote:
Err what? Can't really understand your point here. But Sipoo lies to the east of Helsinki, just like Espoo lies to the west. But they are completely different, Sipoo is very rural and mostly Swedish-speaking, Espoo is the second biggest city in this country and not that rural.

It's the -poos!

I really need to visit this part of the world and tick off all the poos in Finland for a start.

I don't need to visit Turku though right?  



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User currently offlineKnightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1826 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8602 times:

Hi FlyingFinn

Thanks for the interesting trip report. I particularly like the episode about your encounter with the guys trying to pull a scam. Poor bastards that they had to pick you for their antics. Well, it serves them right! But even apart from that I'm not sure the Ukraine would be top of the list for a nice short trip.

As for the AN-148, that's quite a coup, how many of those are there flying around commercially? Can't be many. It's a strange looking bird really. The engine seems rather large, although that may be due to the fact that we're used to seeing the Avro and its hair dryers. And the wings are swept back at quite an outrageous angle. Wasn't BAe at one point working on a twin engined version of the Avro Regional Jet?

Thanks for posting,

Cheers!


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6808 posts, RR: 77
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8515 times:

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 18):
Well Ukrainian actually but yes, it sure is an interesting type.

Of course you are right, I just use the term "Russian types" simplistically for the whole ex-Soviet machinery.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 18):
Maybe we will see a PlaneHunter report from Ukraine one of these days?

I have actually considered going there earlier this year, but decided to book something else.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2408 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8423 times:

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Nice livery but just what the heck is that name, “Windrose”:
Quoting deltamartin (Reply 2):
"Nice livery"? Really?
Quoting sultanils (Reply 3):
Nice livery my ***   That is truly a very very ‘faux’ one imho.
Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 6):
I don't know, but I think I like the livery

Lots of opinions regarding Windrose. At least people have an opinion..  

Here's a picture of her sistership in Montenegro that I took after my landing:



It looks quite nice in the sun I think. By the way, according to Google, this is what a windrose is. Quite a good name for an airline then.

https://www.google.dk/search?q=windrose&rlz=1C1GGGE_enSE449SE449&sugexp=chrome,mod%3D7&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=da&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=189MUPPrKqr74QTe1oGgCQ&biw=1366&bih=600&sei=3c9MULr5Ao2xhAf2iYCYCw


[Edited 2012-09-09 10:23:17]

User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6570 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 8317 times:

Hi FlyingFinn!

Thanks for another great report with great pictures !

Very good to see you on such a rare type as the AN-148 and even better that it goes to your home airport as well!

Flight on PS looks okay; I wouldn't expect much better from them and worse would not have been surprising. Flight attendant looks very cute.

Looking forward to your next report !

The777Man



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User currently offlineflightsimboy From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1270 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8220 times:
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Again I am reading these not in the order they were reported, but stil a great read. Even more amusing are the comments and the subsequent responses to them lol

User currently offlineroberts87 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2011, 987 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (2 years 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8073 times:

Great report, very nice to read about the Antovov 148! Thanks for sharing, glad you got to enjoy it,

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
I kept fearing for an equipment change, but quite remarkably nothing like that happened beforehand, not even a schedule change. Go PS!

That would be my worst nightmare if I coughed up that much for a flight!


User currently offlineLXM83 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 610 posts, RR: 5
Reply 26, posted (2 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7405 times:

Hello FlyingFinn76

Very nice report again. Great you caught the An-148 - congrats on that!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
My objective for my free day in Kyiv was the Ukrainian State Aviation Museum

This is my favourite aviation museum. It's so big and has so many exotic aircraft.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
I almost burst out laughing and say “Yeah right. Nice try.” and walk away.

Ha, great how you managed that. Have only read about this trick in the guidebooks, it's still waiting to happen to me.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
No chance for any photos from the bus, annoying

Same as here in ZRH. Annoying for sure!

Cheers, LXM83


User currently offlineadamspotter From Netherlands, joined Feb 2011, 1161 posts, RR: 3
Reply 27, posted (2 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7382 times:
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Hi there once again FlyingFinn!

Another excellent en entertaining report you made here.
Flying the AN-148, what a great idea to end this great little series you have made, really enjoyed all 3 parts!
Love your pictures of the museum, definately a place I would like to visit looks very interesting.
PS looks quite ok, nothing special but hey you got to fly on the rare AN-148!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
and these looooong escalators definitely make it feel so

Wow those sure are long!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
these people are queuing for a FlyDubai flight (to DXB of course, what did you expect, ORY?)

That would make for a very nice and interesting route to fly on  
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Notice the lack of legroom on the non-bulkhead row

wow, that is tight!

cheers,

Brendan


User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4269 posts, RR: 51
Reply 28, posted (2 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7380 times:

Hi P.,

great report here, you catched a nice one here. Congrats on the An148. I find the engines so ugly. For the rest, a nice aircraft though. Although in the end I like the SSJ more for it's design, not to mention the upcoming MS-21 which would probably look great too!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
The PS flight set me back a somewhat steep 160 EUR

Well, that is no problem for me to catch this bird either. Plus a close to 2 hour flight for this price isn't really bad.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Together with the Tbilisi metro the Kyiv one is one of the deepest running systems in the world and these looooong escalators definitely make it feel so

Impressive to see!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Some Ukrainian state IL-62s parked on the apron

Beautiful!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
No chance for any photos from the bus, annoying:

Why didn't you told me that you flew out of GVA?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Oh and apparently they aren’t sweet enough to equip their 767 with BOTH winglets:

Clearly undergoing maintenance. Look at the gear doors and left engine... it's not going anywhere soon me thinks.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Cabin view from the back - I actually like these subtle colors:

A bit LH to me.

A shame Rossiya left AMS, they brought in the An148 for a while and with reasonable fares too. Was hesitating to book them (because Russia) but now they're gone and I'm late   That's life.

Regards
Eric



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