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BKK-SIN On TG. First 777 Experience!  
User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4749 posts, RR: 26
Posted (12 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8993 times:

TG 409
BKK-SIN
Seat 35D/ 51B
Boeing 777-2D7, HS-TJE “Chaiyaphum”
ETD: 1500H
ETA: 1805H
Flight time: 2hrs approx.

Ah… it’s the end of one of my numerous trips to Bangkok. The wonders of this vibrant city has never failed to amaze me - from the smells to the friendly locals, never fail to attract me to come back every few months. My outbound trip from Singapore was unremarkable. I flew up on a 747-400, within which I experienced one of the widest seat pitches I have ever seen in my life (take a cue AA and Malaysia Airlines!). However, my return flight was something that was of interest to me, because today, 28 Aug 2000, was my very first time on board a Boeing 777.

Barely 3 weeks after I returned from Australia and Langkawi, I left the crowded Singapore for a shopping trip in Bangkok. I had a lot of leave to burn! That return trip was covered in a trip report (SYD-MEL-KUL, SZB-LKW on Malaysia Airlines). Let’s zip forward in time and now I find myself stuck in a jam leaving the service apartment in Sukhumvit. My ride to the airport took me almost an hour and a half.

Alighting at Terminal One, I rushed to the check in area to find it empty. Bad news… I was very late. TG 409 was scheduled to depart at 1500H and it was 1415H – no thanks to the traffic jam in Sukhumvit! Luckily, I was still able to check in at the nearest desk. Thai Airways uses common check in desk in Terminal One for First, Executive and Economy Class. I was not expecting a window seat even though I asked for one. True enough, I was assigned seat 35D.

I paid for my airport tax of 500 baht at the ATM machine and proceeded to join the long queue at immigration. It was rush hour at the airport and I noticed a large group of Caucasians in the queue were holding boarding passes for a Cathay Pacific flight to Hongkong. The line didn’t seem to be moving…

“Pro-sah… kling klang koong kang pling plong pang blah blah blah….. (the Thai language has never failed to amaze me because every time I hear it, I keep thinking there are musicians behind the speaker strumming their instruments with graceful dancers in the background)

Your attention prease, Thai Airways International, is paging for passenger Soh… passenger Soh… joining Tee-Tzee four geero nai, to Shing-ka-poh, prease ploceed to gay ee-leh-wen for boarding.”

I snapped out of my amazement for the language when I realised that they were actually paging for me! I urged the immigration officer to expedite his formalities but he gave me the “who-told-you-to-be-late” look. I practically ran around the departure hall looking for Gate 11 because suddenly the whole area became a blur.

I manage to make it to Gate 11 and ran past the ticket agents. Just before I entered the aerobridge, something made me stop in my tracks. I looked out of the window and there was it – HS-TJE, christened Chaiyaphum, a Boeing 777-2D7. A rush went through my head when I suddenly realised that this was the first time I was going to step on board a 777!!! Woah! I was greeted, clasped hand Thai style, at Door 2L and the stewardess gracefully reached for my boarding pass. I took a breather and peeped into Executive Class cabin, wondering at the 2-4-2 configuration. Seats looked wide and were upholstered in dark purple velvet.

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I walked down the aisle, panting while searching for 35D. Looking back, I saw a friend sitting in 51C and made a mental note of it. I quickly settled down and relaxed. I immediately found the seat very uncomfortable! Cushion is hard and the adjustable headrest was just two oval shaped thingies that folded upwards to hold your head, not wrap around it. Seat pitch was a reasonable 33” though, configuration was 3-4-3.

The safety video was played as we pushed back. Two graceful Thai women filled the screen explaining the safety features of this modern aircraft while smiling and gesturing in Thai and English. I wouldn’t mind going through an emergency with them! Looking around the cabin, it looked very bright and airy with the entire overhead compartments closed, because they closed upwards into the ceiling. Very spacious!

This flight was very full looking at all the seats filled. My amazement with the largest twinjet in the world was destroyed when the flaps were deployed. “BBBRRRRRRRRRRR” this loud whirring sound filled the entire cabin I thought something was wrong!

Nevertheless, we powered down runway 21R and lifted off into the evening skies. After the seatbelt signs were turned off, I went back to row 51 and said “hi” to my friend. Surprisingly, he told me the seat next to him was unoccupied to I ended up in 51B. Much more legroom as it was an emergency exit row, next to Door 3L.

The Thai stewardesses wasted no time in starting drink service. Dinner followed soon and there was no choice, the selection for today’s flight was “keet”.

“Excuse me?”
“Keet suh (sir). It’s ee-tah-lien (Italian)”

Just as my friend and I were wondering what was an Italian “keet”, we opened the small dish on the tray presented before us and realised what that smiling stewardess meant to say was “quiche”! But how did “Italian” fit into the equation still puzzles me till this day.

A second drink service came around, as we were busy chomping down the “keet”. The same stewardess saw me eating it with much passion, she smiled and said, “you like?”… It was delicious.

“Just For Laughs” was screened from several TV monitors mounted strategically along the ceiling. This kept us occupied for most of the 2hr flight. Our flight path was pretty direct flying over the Gulf of Thailand towards the town of Kota Bahru and approaching Singapore via Rwy 20R, covering a total distance of 897 miles, or 1443km. After the trays were cleared, I stood up and stretched as the uncomfortable hard cushion was making my butt numb.

Descend happened soon and the TV monitor was turned off. Headsets were collected and I realised that the cabin crew changed back to their golden threaded suits, wrapped in a gold scarf with a fresh orchid pinned on their left chest! They wore a boring light purple blouse outfit when they were serving. Now here they were, decked out in their finest like they were attending some festivities, gently bowing while handing out fresh orchids from a basket to the female passengers. Hey, what happened to the males? Don’t we get one too?

All too soon, flaps were VERY noisily deployed and we slowly descended for Changi International Airport. A sloppy looking male steward plonked himself onto the jumpseat opposite me and strapped himself. A smooth landing on Rwy 20R ended this flight from the “Land of Smiles”. We slowly taxied for disembarkation at Terminal One.

Verdict: Thai has excellent in-flight service and this remains the airline’s strong point. I rate the service 7/10. I would definitely recommend this airline to anyone, just not the 777!

However, my first experience on board a 777 was somewhat marred by HS-TJE. Uncomfortable seats notwithstanding, I thought there was too much hype about the 777. Yes, it is the world’s largest twinjet but it felt the same within. Space is the plus point and the overhead compartments did give an illusion of SPACE after they were closed.

And the sound of the flap deployment! Urghhh… another one of my disappointments. I very much prefer the silent flaps of the A340, thank you!







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User currently offlineN949WP From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2000, 1437 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 8862 times:

Very informative report, Ryan. Too bad your maiden 777 flight isn't what you've been expecting. As for that noisy flap problem, perhaps it's just confined to -TJE? Last week when I had my two flights on CX 773's, I wasn't even aware of the flaps deploying without looking out the window.

OK, OK.....I promise I'll finish up my HKG-SIN report before too long!!





User currently offlineTsentsan From Singapore, joined Jan 2002, 2016 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8833 times:

Try an MH 777 (yes MH not SQ), and you'll find that the beauty in a 777. I'm serious. MH 777s are top notch when compared to SQ's!




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User currently offlineSR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1740 posts, RR: 39
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8807 times:

Great trip report as usual Ryanair! I have flown TG's econmy but it was in the 742's and 300's right before the 330's replaced then on the MNL-BKK sector. The seats are ok, but nothing great. The food and service is top notch though!

Just out of curiosity, have you flown CX? I mean I have heard you mention SQ, MH, & TG but never anything on CX. I think they are the best, though I haven't had a chance to fly MH but I am trying to get DXB-EWR for January, but the price is too much and requirs me to change planes 4 times! Keep the reports comming!

SR 103


User currently offlineEx_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1435 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8784 times:

haha, I misread your first paragraph and thought you were "smelling the friendly locals".... was wondering why you were "airing" (pardon the pun) your fetishes on a.net.

"Keet" on an Asian sector, and nothing else? How very strange. Unusual to find cheese-laden items on such sectors. Having said that, I really do hold TG Catering in high regard (they catered SQ out of BKK) - they are efficient, the food is incredibly fresh and they use only the best ingredients ... all at a reasonable price.



User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4749 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8773 times:

Tsentsan - The Malaysian 777 is indeed exquisite, but I do not want to be stuck in the middle of the 2-5-2 config! The noisy flap deployment has been brought up several times in this forum and I realised that it could be confined only to a few -200 series. I have heard it on all the MAS 777 and this TG one... but none on SQ's 9V-SRI.

N949WP - finish up the report, pronto! I am still waiting! Alan, if you are reading this, you too!

SR103 - I have flown CX many timed in the past before I decided to concentrate on one airline because of FFP tie ups. I must say they are good! From food to cabin service. I have only flown their 747s and Tristars.

Ex_SQer - Funny... smelling the locals? Hmm... Food out of BKK is good, I have noticed as well. HKG is another station I look forward to. I am actually one of the few who finishes everything on my tray! Yes... I am a pig.

Cheers
Ryan



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User currently offlineN949WP From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2000, 1437 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8761 times:

Ryan - you're not the only one to finish everything on your tray. Me too, and I'm always on the lookout for seconds !!



User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4749 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8738 times:

Once I flew SAS Business Class SIN-BKK and the food was so delicious I even finished my grandmother's serving. I learnt a lesson, I threw up as I disembarked from the plane... on the airstairs, creating a little waterfall of puke. Hence, I have been very cautious about asking for seconds, unless I want to create a "waterfall" again!

But I am a sucker for food. I have been called everything from a pig to MOE (Ministry of Environment), cleaning everything up in sight. Yes I eat... I love to eat.  Smile

By the way, the meatloaf on NW is not bad at all! So is the curry beef with rice. See? I do have something nice to say about that airline!



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User currently offlineTsentsan From Singapore, joined Jan 2002, 2016 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8724 times:

Ryanair, I dont usually notice the flaps noise on take off unless I'm on row 31 or so.


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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4749 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8719 times:

Like I say, this phenomena is probably isolated to a few early versions of the 777-200. Not all have this problem.


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User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8701 times:

Excellent report Ryan!  Big grin

Well I have flown the B777 four times so far in my days of travelling. I noticed the loud noise in flaps extension on 2 ANA B777s and the braking too. The other 2 I flew was the -300s and they produced no noise when the flaps extend. I do really like to fly on the B777 but I find the plane is pretty noisy too, especially the -300s. Never felt as cosy on the B777 than the B747s.

Well maybe I'm baised towards the B744  Big grin. Quiet flaps, quieter cabin in-flight.. in my views.



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User currently offlineEx_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1435 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8683 times:

Er... Ryanair!!!.... aka Smelling Spice....

So where are your favourite eating spots in BKK? Mine are:

Mr T's seafood in Pratunam opposite the Amari Watergate Hotel
Lemongrass, Sukhumvit Soi 24
Seafood Market, also Soi 24
Vito's, Soi Ruamrudee - phuket lobster in black tagliatelle (stained with squid ink) is to die for!
The rice soup hawker near my former home
Tawana Ramada Hotel for Pad Thai
Wit's Oyster Bar - Soi Ruamrudee
A roadside BBQ seafood place in Chinatown
A hole in the wall Teochew restaurant in Chinatown
The Indian restaurant at the Holiday Inn Crowne Plaza



User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4749 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8658 times:

Mine?

Telephone Bar & Restaurant (not as nice as before)
Sphinx Bar & Restaurant
Condom and Cabbages Restaurant ... Soi 12 behind Sukhumvit Plaza
Any food stall in Chatuchak
Any food stall along Patpong
Marble House Thai Massage Soi Surawong (excellent!)
All the furniture shops at Gaysorn Plaza
All the furniture shops at Chatuchak
DJ Station
Babylon (prefer the old one...)
Mabunkrong

Phew...

There used to be a plane model shop at Erawan Plaza where Sogo is, but they have moved on to another location. There was a notice put up regarding the new address but it was all in Thai!

And all the little stuff in between!

Cheers
Ryan



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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4749 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8649 times:

I simply love flying the 777, had great experiences on SQ and MH. Just not the TG one. Urgh! Wouldn't want to do it again... unless it is Executive Class though!


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User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8633 times:

For top Indian food in Bangkok - try the Rang Mahal in the Rembrandt hotel (Sukhumwit). To die for!

I have just bought a house in Bangkok at a bargain price - man I love that city!



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User currently offlineSq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (12 years 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8631 times:

I have flown numerous times on Thai's 777s and noticed noisy flap deployments only on a 777-200 named Mukhdahan (I dont know the aircraft's registration) and have expereinced noisy flap deployments on SQ 777s but not on MH CX or UA's deployments so I would also logically deduct that the flap problem would be restricted to certain 777s.

As to the cabin crew chaning their uniforms, out of my expriences on Thai, the crew always have their Thai style uniform on during boarding and during the meal service, and change before landing to their suits and de plane the aircraft and into the terminal in those suits. Sometimes the cabin crew dont change from their Thai outfits even after landing when they have turnaround duty such as Kathmandu and Manila (TG 620 because the flight continues on to Kansai and TG 624 because they come back to BKK on the same night). So I found it a bit odd when you noted that they changed into their Thai uniforms only before landing...in my experience its the other way around!...but I'll get to see again this Saturday...MNL-BKK on a 777-200 and BKK-DAC on either an M11 or A330...

One thing about TG's safety demonstration...I really like it for one reason...the music playing in the background is really nice...specially at the end of the video while the credits are showing...TG's music theme is really beautiful!

Great report by the way!...TG's service has always been great!




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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4749 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (12 years 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8593 times:

I have always wondered, with that elaborate outfit they are wearing, what happens when there is an emergency?

Yes, the music at the end of the video presentation is very soothing... Thai - Smooth as silk...

Don't forget to write a trip report!



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User currently offlineSQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1792 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (12 years 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8592 times:

sq_ek_freak rightly pointed out that the FAs usually change into their traditional outfit before t/o and change back into their suits before landing, not the other way round. The FAs on this particular flight must have been a little confused.

I would have thought that for safety reasons, they would wear their suits for t/o and landing. Do the traditional costumes have "emergency" slits similar to the ones on the sarong kebayas?

I have flown TG a number of occasions between SIN-BKK, SIN-HKT and none of the crew actually changed into their traditional costume. I figured that the costumes are only worn on medium to long haul flights.






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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4749 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (12 years 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8551 times:

SQ772 - indeed the suits are worn for flights more than 2hrs. I was observing the uniform and I realised that there was no "emergency slit" like the kebaya. I have always been amazed at the speed they change into those outfits! It is like Superman minus the phone booth.

All my Thai flights, they wore the "costume" when greeting boarding passengers, the light ugly looking purple blouse when serving meals, and back to the "costume" again during descend (while giving out the fresh orchids) all the way till disembarkation. However, they change into the purple blouse when leaving the aircraft. That is a lot of changing, like a performing popstar!



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User currently offlineSq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (12 years 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8544 times:

Thats odd because when I flew from BKK to SIN on a TG A300 the crew were wearing their traditional costumes and never changed into their suits...and also the last time I flew from DAC to BKK on a MD 11 (flight duration of 1 hour 55 minutes) they were wearing their traditional outifts till landing...I guess their procedure isnt consistent at all!

I think the traditional uniform does have a slit in it but it isnt as high cut as the one in the sarong kebayas.

I will be writing a trip report on the TG flights this weekend, so look out for those reports!




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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4749 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (12 years 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8548 times:

Sq_Ek_Freak...

I am looking forward to the report. I really wish they can redesign the purple blouse outfit, I think it looks so plain compared to the Thai outfit! Especially during meal service when they don the apron - yep, you read right, apron! The purple is so light it makes the outfit look faded...

By the way, i can never understand their English announcements they make in the cabin. Hehehehe...



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User currently offlineSq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (12 years 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8518 times:

Ryanair, I agree about the suit designs!...the purple on it is so light that it looks old, faded and dull. Actually, when I flew from BKK to MNL, they were few Japanese FAs on the flight as well, and they were wearing a different type of uniform...while the Thai FAs wore the traditional outfits, the Japanese only wore the suit, but the suit was very dark purple with a big ribbon tied around their necks. Much nicer! The lead FAs also wear something a bit different...a suit with the same blouse but with a black skirt...not very nice...


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User currently offlineThai747 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 1999, 814 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (12 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8495 times:

A friend of mine works for TG - and their policy, according to her is that they should not be seen in their thai silk uniform outside the aircraft. However once they board the aircraft they should immedietly change into their traditional uniform. Their reason? Thai silk unifrom can cost about 4-5 times more than the ugly business suits ( purple skirt and jacket with a blouse that looks like they've stolen the fabric from a piece of table cloth) and it's almost impossible to repair if they get their uniform caught on something sharp outside the plane.

Last week I flew TG's A300-600 to/from KUL (MH codeshare) on my way to SYD with MH (TG425-MH123-MH122-TG426) and on my way to KUL (425)- the FAs welcomed the pax in their Thai Silk uniform and remained in their thai silk uniform as it was a turn around flight, while on the way back (426) they all changed into their pieces of table cloth right before landing - expect the rear lavs to be occupied right before landing as beauty queens do their changings. And if you look carefully, you'll see the 'emergency slit' on the back of the skirt, up to the knee level - still hard to move around though.





User currently offlineSQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1792 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (12 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8483 times:

I would have thought the narrow aisles, and sharp beverage carts would pose a greater threat to their expensive silk uniforms than if they were to wear it outside. In any case, I think those silk uniforms look very elegant and beautiful.

Thai747, do the crew get to choose the color of their silk uniforms? Or are the different colors dependent on their ranks? What about their sash? How many colors can each FA choose from? (assuming they are not based on ranks).

Just curious...






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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4749 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (12 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8467 times:

For some reason, I don't think the FAs look very mobile in their elaborate silk outfits. But I must agree that it is a STUNNER! I thought such outfits were only reserved for First and Business Class! Even the middle aged women look good in that outfit!

Thai women are indeed beautiful.



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25 Ex_SQer : Damn I miss browsing through the Jim Thompson stores in BKK.
26 Sq_ek_freak : Thai747, sort of pressing into SQ772's question, does it mean anything when the FAs dont have their sash on meaning are they more junior crew?
27 Post contains images Thai747 : wish I could answer the questions - but to tell you the truth I haven't got a clue regarding the seniority of the FAs - since all of them have on the
28 Ryanair!!! : crew bus? Aren't they based in Bangkok? They don't leave from the airport? Or you mean the bus to get then to the planes...
29 Mx5_boy : Ryanair!!! Great trip report mate. Ex SQER, I remember the Indian restaurant your talking about. I've eaten there so many times. I always stay at the
30 Ex_SQer : My neighbour in Bangkok was a Japanese TG flight attendant. I always saw her arrive from and leave for work in her purple suit. My Brit neighbour had
31 Post contains images Thai747 : Most of them meet at the crew center - about 20 min away from the airport (pretty unique structure really!) where they also sometimes wait for their n
32 Ryanair!!! : The food in Telephone Bar used to be one of the best! Then they started to slackened and now, I hardly go there anymore. But I go to another restauran
33 Post contains images Ryanb741 : I'm still trying to sort out my Thai permanent residency (it now entails learning to read and write Thai as well as speak it - which I can reasonably
34 Ryanair!!! : Sawasdee Ryan741, I will be on my way to Phuket in Aug to check out the real estate. I intend to start a B&B there. So far, queries to the real estate
35 SQ772 : Ryan741, It's not so much racism but an inefficient bureaucracy that the Thai government (or any organisation linked to the government for that matter
36 Ryanb741 : Mai pen rai Ryanair. Having a Thai wife (as I do) was handy in terms of real estate purchase, but in the end what I did was buy the house and lease th
37 Ryanair!!! : Well as for crappy government, the current Thanksin Shinawatra's administration seems quiet for now. No news means good news for Thailand? The past fe
38 Post contains images Ex_SQer : I concur with Ryanair on the variety of planes. I worked there and I always had interesting planes to look at. I mean, how many people have seen Air K
39 Ryanb741 : Thaksin's a crook. He is using his political power to get himself more contracts for his telecommunications company. Interesting how soon after he bec
40 Post contains images Thai747 : Thanksin's a crook.. now that's just stating the obvious Corruption in Thailand's something they'll never be able to get rid of - and this goes with e
41 Ryanair!!! : Well, I did read somewhere that Thai Airways is indeed "grossly over-staffed"! All the boardroom drama have not helped the airline recover one bit. Bu
42 Chepos : Great trip report like always Ryanair. You are so lucky, a shopping trip in Bangkok . Now if you ever want to go on a good shopping trip in the East C
43 Ryanair!!! : Thanks Cheapos... I have not been to Miami but I was in Orlando many many moons ago as a nerdy kid getting blown away by Disney World. I still remembe
44 Chepos : NO, but I visit Miami regularly. I go to school in Daytona Beach, Florida which is like 4 hours drive from Miami and an hour away from Orlando . Im cu
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