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Taipei 101 & Flawed Prestige Class On Korean A330  
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6903 posts, RR: 77
Posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks ago) and read 24994 times:




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Intro
In early 2012 my brother and I decided to go on another Asia tour. Our focus was on Dubai and Bangkok, but later we also decided to include a short stay in Taipei in order to visit the Taipei 101. We had planned to combine one-way flights from the beginning to the end, but it turned out to be much cheaper to return to Dubai again before going home. As usual, I tried to include as many new carriers as possible.

First of all, we booked a very cheap Munich-Doha-Dubai roundtrip on Qatar Airways, an airline which I had wanted to try for a long time. What was more important was an attractive Taipei-Seoul-Dubai connection in Business Class on Korean Air (another new airline for me) and Emirates - sold by Korean Air. The proposed 10-hour experience on the Emirates A380 upper deck was a major reason for our choice, but unfortunately, due to the wing crack issue, the A380 was replaced by a Boeing 777-300ER (at least with the latest interior) some weeks after booking. Since we had already completed the itinerary, a rebooking wouldn't have made any sense. And I guess it wouldn't have been possible anyway due to the fare rules. I sent a letter of complaint about the aircraft downgrade to Emirates, but I have never received an answer. Being a Korean Air customer in this case probably didn't help.

In order to get from Dubai to Bangkok, I would have preferred Gulf Air as it would have been another new carrier, but there was no service to Bangkok on the desired day of travel. So we chose SriLankan Airlines which had impressed me back in 2006. Finally, we decided to fly China Airlines, another new airline for me, from Bangkok to Taipei. This is what the final itinerary looked like:

Munich-Doha
Doha-Dubai
Dubai-Colombo
Colombo-Bangkok
Bangkok-Taipei
Taipei-Seoul
Seoul-Dubai
Dubai-Doha
Doha-Munich


Map:


Map generated by the Great Circle Mapper - copyright © Karl L. Swartz

The third part of my current series will focus on the visit to Taipei and the TPE-ICN sector on Korean Air in Prestige Class.

Parts I & II can be found here:
5* Carrier, Hilton Suite & Dubai's Epic Landmarks (by PlaneHunter Aug 10 2012 in Trip Reports)
Double Letdown To BKK & TPE: UL A330/A340, CI 744 (by PlaneHunter Sep 24 2012 in Trip Reports)

[Edited 2012-10-07 08:24:07]


Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6903 posts, RR: 77
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks ago) and read 25293 times:

Taipei 101...and a Thick Cloud Cover
We exited the airport bus at the nearest stop to our hotel and took a taxi for the last stage. I had chosen the decently priced Home Hotel because it's located just around the corner from Taipei 101 and because it had received very good ratings:



Nice artwork in the lobby:



Very friendly receptionists welcomed us and one of them even accompanied us to our room. I had reserved a room with Taipei 101 view - here's the result:



Views in the other directions weren't as spectacular:





Just when we were about to walk to the Taipei 101, it started raining again, but the friendly hotel staff equipped us with umbrellas. Low clouds were still partly covering the building:



What an impressive piece of architecture:





Main entrance for visitors:



One last view upwards - the building ranked officially as the world's tallest from 2004 until the opening of the Burj Khalifa in Dubai in 2010:



The multi-story retail mall adjoining the tower is home to hundreds of fashionable stores, restaurants, clubs and other attractions:







After buying tickets and passing security, one of the world's fastest elevators, running at 1010 meters per minute, took us from the 5th floor to the 89th floor in 37 seconds. And here's all we could see - clouds and mountains...simply amazing views:  Wink



We still enjoyed our stay because there's a lot of interesting stuff to explore on the observatory, including displays, exhibits and the world's biggest and heaviest tuned mass damper which has been installed to offset movements caused by strong gusts and earthquakes:













You can watch an interesting and funny documentary about the damper which has been nicknamed "Damper Baby":





The "baby" has a diameter of 5.5 meters, weighs 660 metric tons and consists of 41 layers of 12.5 cm strong steel plates:









We went back to the mall after a while and had dinner there. The building looks impressive at night as well:





Interesting light installations all over the place:







Later at night it was even possible to see the top of the building:



If you want to see some pictures from Taipei 101 and its surroundings in good weather conditions, have a look at this report:
Taiwan Trio: TransAsia, UNI Air And The Taipei 101 (by PlaneHunter Feb 21 2009 in Trip Reports)

Our hotel's main entrance at night:



On the next morning, we left the hotel about three hours before departure. This time we took a taxi rather than the bus and enjoyed a comfortable door-to-door service. The interior was full of ads:



On the way, we passed the Grand Hotel Taipei, one of the world's tallest classical Chinese buildings:



Impressive construction work along the highway to the airport:





[Edited 2012-10-07 08:23:20]


Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6903 posts, RR: 77
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks ago) and read 25343 times:


Thursday, March 2012
Taipei (TPE) - Seoul (ICN)
Korean Air KE692
Scheduled times: 12:10-15:35
Actual times: 12:10-15:42
Flight duration: 02:06 (hrs)
Distance: 907 miles
Prestige Class, seat 10H

Airbus A330-323
HL7587 (MSN 368)
Delivered in 11/2000


1st flight on HL7587
11th A330-300 flight
27th A330 flight
133rd airline



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We arrived at the airport after a 30-minute ride and went straight to the Korean Air Prestige Class check-in desk. We immediately received a friendly welcome and the nice agent quickly checked us in. I wasn't amused at first when I heard that our seat assignments had been changed, but the agent ensured that we would still get a window seat and an adjoining aisle seat. The boarding passes showed 10G and 10H instead of 8A and 8B. As I would find out later, there was a problem with one of the two originally reserved seats on the scheduled aircraft.

Reserving seats in advance hadn't been easy, btw. I couldn't do that during the booking process on Orbitz - and I also failed doing so on Korean Air's website. When I called the airline, I was told that reserving seats would only be possible 30 days before the flight. Well, I was finally able to reserve 8A and 8B on the Korean Air flight to Seoul, but I faced serious trouble when I tried to reserve seats on the Seoul-Dubai sector operated by Emirates...more details to follow in the next part.

Anyway, back to Taipei. After checking in, we immediately went airside and headed to China Airlines' Dynasty Lounge:



The lounge was rather deserted and I liked the atmosphere, but there aren't any windows:



Food offerings were limited (soups, some hot and mostly cold items), but I didn't mind because we would get a hot meal on the flight:





I had some snacks and a coffee, nothing to write home about:



Shortly before boarding, we went to the gate where I spotted HL7587, one of 16 A330-300s in the fleet. Beautiful livery, isn't it?



Cathay Pacific sends many different types to Taipei, including the 747-400ERF - such as B-LIA:



As soon as priority boarding commenced, we moved forward and friendly flight attendants welcomed us at the aircraft door. Even though the ladies in their nice uniforms were friendly and kept smiling most of the time, I missed a personal touch throughout the whole flight.

Our plane was equipped with 22 Prestige Class Plus seats which are 21.6 inches wide and recline to 170 degrees and 76 inches (193 cm) in length. The whole Business Class cabin was in excellent condition and had been cleaned well. The seat itself was comfortable in upright position, but the right armrest was too low for my liking:


It's interesting to note that the Prestige Class Plus seats are currently being replaced by lie-flat Prestige Class Sleeper seats on all A330-200s and A330-300s. The sleeper seats can also be found on the A380s, all 777-300s and 777-300ERs as well as on several 777-200ERs.

15.4-inch LCD monitors were installed in the seatbacks:


According to Korean Air's website, the Prestige Class Plus screens are only 10.4 inches wide, but this was clearly not the case on our A330. I guess you only find the small screens in the older Prestige Plus seats installed on 777-200ERs and 747-400s.

There was more than enough space to stretch out - the seats were 60 inches apart:



After we had taken our seats, a flight attendant offered various newspapers. Shortly afterwards, she distributed immigration forms for South Korea. Finally, non-alcoholic drinks (water, guava juice and fresh orange juice) as well as tasty peanuts were offered:


While we were enjoying our drinks, we could watch some flight attendants rushing around with concerned faces after one of them had spilled a glass of juice or water over a passenger. That guy kept calm despite this major mishap, though. I'm sure he got somehow compensated.

Shortly after that incident, the cabin manager went through the rows and welcomed all passengers. "Thank you for flying with us today!", she said with a smile.  thumbsup 

Nice engine view:



Now it was time to explore the equipment, e.g. handset...



...and other stuff:



Rather basic headphones:



Now what's that? Amenity kit?



No, slippers! Very surprising to find those on a 2 hour flight:



Inflight magazine and shopping guide:



IFE guide and another magazine providing information about ICN and Seoul:



Safety card and some other stuff, including very nice postcards:



Since the flight attendants were already taking meal orders, I had a closer look at the menu card:






My brother ordered the chicken and so did I - but a few moments later the flight attendant returned and politely told me that only the Asian option was left for me. I wasn't amused about that, but what can you do? However, the flight attendant suddenly showed up again and said that one western main course was still available - but it wouldn't be possible to serve it with the salad as suggested on the menu card. Good news!  Smile

The gate next to us was now occupied by China Airlines A330-300 B-18356:



We were pushed back exactly on time, but it would take another 19 minutes until takeoff. Following behind us was Cathay Pacific A330-300 B-HLU which has already carried users Initious and Airpearl:



The A330 lifted off after a powerful takeoff roll...and there's China Airlines' nice Dreamliner 747 which I'd have preferred over my old bird on the day before…  irked 



China Airlines 747-400F:



It didn't take very long until we broke through the low cloud cover - unfortunately, the window was quite dirty:



As soon as the seat belt signs had been switched off, the flight attendants distributed hot towels and started preparing the meal service. I decided to have a quick look at the audio/video on demand entertainment system which is called "Sky". Navigation was easy and there were plenty of options including dozens of movies and TV features, games and countless songs. Language selection:



Main menu:



That's what I preferred, as usual:



Relax mode:


Unfortunately, I didn't feel as comfortable in this 170 degree position as it may look - legroom was very limited and I felt cramped. I doubt that I would be able to sleep comfortably in that seat. That design is flawed in my opinion and probably that's one reason why Korean Air has decided to replace it not long after its introduction.

Here's the fully reclined seat of the passenger in 9G:



Meals were served 45 minutes after takeoff. Here's my brother's tray with the salad which I wouldn't get - it looked a bit puny in my opinion:



And here's my tray with western main course and Asian side dishes:


The first disappointment was the main course presentation - and the second disappointment was the food quality. The chicken pieces were dry, the vegetables were mushy - and I totally disliked the fatty sauce. The noodles were okay and the bread and the fruit pieces tasted good, though. I cannot say much about the side dishes - they were probably fine, but not to my taste. No doubt, I have had numerous Economy Class meals which I rate much nicer and better than this...  thumbsdown 

Tea and coffee were offered before we hadn't finished eating yet - another weak point. There was no obvious reason for such a rush.

After lunch, it was time for a short walk. Numerous seats had remained empty in Prestige Class:



No access for Prestige Class folks:



Lavatory amenities:



The flight was already nearing its end, unfortunately:







Lovely weather in South Korea:



Here it is - Incheon International Airport:



Asiana 777-200ER ahead of us:



Almost there:



Right turn onto final approach:





No doubt, this is ICN:



We touched down after a flying time of 2 hours and 6 minutes and arrived at the gate slightly behind schedule. The airport was quite deserted at this time. Another Korean Air A330-300 being towed away:



Incheon Airport has won many awards and I think those are all justified - it's such a nice and convenient airport. What I like most are the large windows, giving unobstructed views over the apron. This is A330-200 HL7539, well known to user MH017:


I would have preferred an extended spotting session at ICN, but I wasn't travelling alone. There were more than 8 hours left until the next flight which was a lot. Unfortunately, it was already too late to take part in one of various sightseeing tours for transit passengers. So we decided to make a short visit to Seoul, passed immigration and headed to the train station. Story to be continued...



Conclusion
No doubt, it was a comfortable flight in Korean Air's Prestige Class, but it was a flawed experience. The catering was a big letdown, the quality of the main course was below average. I've received many Economy Class meals having been superior both in terms of presentation and quality. Even though the flight attendants were friendly, I missed a personal touch. The seat in upright position was fine, but I felt totally cramped in its fully-reclined position due to the lack of decent legroom. But I'm sure the sleeper seat is much better and I certainly would like to try that one in the future.


Best Regards,
PlaneHunter



P.S.: Just in case you missed them - my previous trip reports:
Double Letdown To BKK & TPE: UL A330/A340, CI 744
5* Carrier, Hilton Suite & Dubai's Epic Landmarks
India's Finest? BKK-BOM-LHR, Jet Airways 738 & 77W
3x Asian Quality: CGK-SIN-HKT-BKK On GA, FD & PG
Blast From The Past: Sriwijaya 732 & Lion Air 739
Widebody Hopping & KUL Spotting: SIA A330, KLM 77W
QF A380 Grounded, Bags Lost - LHR-SIN, TK A330/340
Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
1 Day, 2 Highlights: Big A.net Meeting & LAN A340
Imperfect Giant: CPT-JNB-FRA On SA A332 & LH A380
BA Vs. LCC, African Way: JNB-DUR-CPT, Comair/Mango
Africa's Best Airline? FRA-JNB On SAA A340-600
Fuel Dump & Return To CDG: Enroute To LAX On 9/11
Greek Quality: Aegean, Olympic & Istanbul Spotting
Exploring A Virgin: VS A343/A346 & Dubai Delights
Superb Stübli & Crew: LAS-LAX-ZRH-MUC, LX J Class
Grand Canyon & More: Scenic Flight On Dornier 228
San Francisco Sunshine...and A Frontier Fiasco
Fully Flat Bed to SFO: SWISS' New Business Class
Mountains, Meals & More: SunExpress Vs. Pegasus
Crossing Two Oceans: AKL-SFO-MUC, NZ 777 & LH A346
Bad Weather & Other Bad Luck: Touring New Zealand
Trans-Tasman Treat: Aerolineas Argentinas A340-200
Detours To Sydney: Wildlife, Tiger, REX & QFLink
Thai Fails To Impress: MUC-BKK-BNE On 744 & 777
Painful Delay & My 100th Airline: AF A380, VO F100
Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores
Awesome Approach, Splendid Scenery: LIS, FNC & TAP
Guernsey, Ash Cloud Alarm & Mostly Empty SQ 77Ws
Totally Thrilling: Scenic Flight On Lufthansa A380
Cirrus D38, Adria CRJ & Captain Niki Lauda On Duty
Monarch Hot Meal, E195 & More: PMI-ALC-MAN-MUC
Premium Meal & Palma Spotting: MUC-PMI, DE 757-300
The Dead Slow Transfer: PEK-MUC On Air China A332
Cancellation Brings Joy: HKG-PEK on Dragonair A330
A380 Cacophony, 777 Star Livery: DXB-SIN-HKG on SQ
The Next 5* Carrier? MUC-MCT-DXB, Oman Air A330
Turkey For 1.5 Hrs: Daytrip To AYT On Sky Airlines
CO Scores Again: ATL-IAH-EWR-FRA On ERJ, 752 & 764
Riding The Ultra Long-Haul Twin: Delta 777-200LR
Pacific Coast Jaunt: 3 Carriers, E120, E140 & Fog
The Ultimate 737: LHR-IAH-PDX On CO 777 & 739ER
Bye Bye, Hell! TRD-OSL-TXL-NUE - DY/AB/HE DH4
My Trip To Hell: NUE-CPH-OSL-TRD On Cimber & SAS
SFO-YUL-FRA: Map- & Sleepless On Air Canada's 77W
Sin City Gloss & Virgin America's Chic First Class
Seat Dilemma & Canyon Glamour: FRA To LAX, AC 763
On Par With Air France? DTW-AMS-MUC, KLM A330
Goodbye, Red Tails! DC-9-40/50 & Chicago Tour
Champagne & World Of Coke: Air France A340 To ATL
"Mission A380": Disappointing Legs On BA/BD/EI
Delights Of Doha, 773 & 77W: DOH-DXB-LHR On EK
A380 Really a Step Forward? LHR-DXB-DOH On EK
Quality & Style: HKG-LHR On Air New Zealand 744
Taiwan Trio: TransAsia, UNI Air And The Taipei 101
"The Wings Of Taiwan": EVA Air A332, 744 Combi
SHA-SZX, Shanghai 757: Delayed By The Military
PEK-SHA, China Eastern A330 & Shanghai At Night
Striking Newcomer: Berlin-Beijing On Hainan A330
Short & Splendid: MXP-MUC On Air Dolomiti's 146
3 Hours On Blue1: HEL-MXP On The MD-90
Winglets On A Classic: MUC-RIX-HEL On Air Baltic
BCN-MAD-ZRH-MUC: UX Shuttle Meets Swiss Quality
MUC-MAD-BCN: Star MD-87 & The Pain Of Vueling
Low Fares, Lovely Island: AK & Best Of Langkawi
4 Stars Or 5 Stars? FRA-KUL-FRA, Malaysia 777s
First And Last Time? JFK-FCO-MUC, Alitalia 777
JFK For 1 Day: Transatlantic Hop On CSA's A310
Sardinian Sun, Shiny New 73Gs & Cramped Mad Dog
Top And Flop: KIX-HEL-MUC, Finnair A320 & MD-11
The 524-Seat Twin-jet: HND-ITM On ANA 777-300
Kobe For 1 Hour: 767-Quickie On ANA & Skymark
Rocketing To Tokyo: FUK-HND On JAL (ex-JAS) 777
Oddities & Okinawa: JTA 734 & JAL 744D(Domestic)
MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Mad Dog, A320 Tech Delay & Best Of Lanzarote
Canaries Prop-Hopping: Islas Airways & Naysa
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Hubbing For 162 Miles: HOQ-FRA-STR Ret On IQ/EW/LH
BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777
ATL-PIT-JFK-BOS: FL B717, JetBlue E190 And Delays
MUC-AMS-MEM-ATL On NWA A332 And 40-year-old DC-9
FRA-BKK-FRA Via CMB: SriLankan A332 & A343
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2 Hours In Paradise: Hamilton Island (JQ/DJ)
BNE-SYD-BNE: Domestic Run On QF’s Oldest B747-400
Testing Qantas: SYD-MEL-SYD-BNE (B738, B763, A332)
Going Down Under: MUC-DXB-SYD On EK A332 & A345
Surprised By NIKI's Newest A320 & Screw-up By AB
Leisure Vs. Full Service: Condor & SN Brussels
"betterFly" On LH: Business Class For 99 Euro
Weekend Transatlantic Trip (2): US A321 & B762
Transatlantic For A Weekend (1): MUC-DCA On US


[Edited 2012-10-07 08:51:18]


Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3051 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 24463 times:
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Once again, excellent trip report! I was waiting for this one  
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The proposed 10-hour experience on the Emirates A380 upper deck was a major reason for our choice, but unfortunately, due to the wing crack issue, the A380 was replaced by a Boeing 777-300ER (at least with the latest interior) some weeks after booking. Since we had already completed the itinerary, a rebooking wouldn't have made any sense. And I guess it wouldn't have been possible anyway due to the fare rules

Sorry to hear, I'd be quite upset too, especially considering how their 77Ws have seven-abreast seating in J.
The A380 has been back on the route since June 1st.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I missed a personal touch throughout the whole flight.

Indeed, that's how most Korean Air flight attendants seem. Very polite, but too formal sometimes. I guess that stoic Korean businessmen and most of the Korean upper class aren't as receptive to the idea of a more personal approach to service. I would feel rather uncomfortable with too much formality, I'd rather have crew that's more down to earth.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
That design is flawed in my opinion and probably that's one reason why Korean Air has decided to replace it not long after its introduction.

Indeed. They send those birds to places as far as Amsterdam and Prague, so they had better equipped them with fully flat seats! Another blunder though would be the fact that the new Prestige sleepers are virtually identical to the F seats on the A330.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The first disappointment was the main course presentation - and the second disappointment was the food quality. The chicken pieces were dry, the vegetables were mushy - and I totally disliked the fatty sauce. The noodles were okay and the bread and the fruit pieces tasted good, though. I cannot say much about the side dishes - they were probably fine, but not to my taste. No doubt, I have had numerous Economy Class meals which I rate much nicer and better than this...

Wow. I'm sure my meal in British Airways World Traveler class was more substantial than that! KE still has a long way to go before they can hold a candle to Asiana, service-wise.

Once again, thanks for the report! It was a great read and I'm looking forward to your EK report.



The biggest mistake made by most human beings: Listening to only half, understanding just a quarter and telling double.
User currently offlineakhmad From Netherlands, joined Sep 2005, 2487 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 24430 times:

Dear PH,

Awesome report with many excellent pictures as usual! Good to see that you did not keep us waiting any longer for this part.  


Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
Nice artwork in the lobby:

The model looked like Lady Gaga.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
but the friendly hotel staff equipped us with umbrellas.

Excellent service.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
simply amazing views:   

Shame! Could March probably be not the best period to visit Taiwan?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
heaviest tuned mass damper which has been installed to offset movements caused by strong gusts and earthquakes

What an ingenious design!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
As I would find out later, there was a problem with one of the two originally reserved seats on the scheduled aircraft.

Kudos to KE’s proactive solution.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
headed to China Airlines' Dynasty Lounge:

Lovely! I always wondered how the CI’s home lounge would look like.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
Beautiful livery, isn't it?

  


Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
Cathay Pacific sends many different types to Taipei, including the 747-400ERF - such as B-LIA:

Frequent Taipei bound Cathay travelers should try 747-400ERF once. 


Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
non-alcoholic drinks (water, guava juice and fresh orange juice) as well as tasty peanuts were offered:

Did you get offered champagne as well?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
I had a closer look at the menu card:

Great! KE has got cocktails as well!   


Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
My brother ordered the chicken and so did I

My choice would have been the Asian one.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
Language selection:

English is the only option I can read. I would have gone for that.


Thank you for sharing. Pity that KE’s premium experience did not really live up to your expectation. Hopefully, your following flight would be more satisfying.


Best wishes,
Suryo  



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6903 posts, RR: 77
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 24379 times:

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 3):
Once again, excellent trip report! I was waiting for this one

Hi HOONS90, many thanks for your comments! I'm glad you liked it.

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 3):
Sorry to hear, I'd be quite upset too, especially considering how their 77Ws have seven-abreast seating in J.

Well, I was really annoyed for a while...but the flight turned out great in the end. The configuration is fine if you don't end up in the middle seat...  

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 3):
I guess that stoic Korean businessmen and most of the Korean upper class aren't as receptive to the idea of a more personal approach to service.

Interesting point.

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 3):
Another blunder though would be the fact that the new Prestige sleepers are virtually identical to the F seats on the A330.

I'm wondering why KE keeps F Class on the A330s after all considering that many of them are used on regional flights.

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 3):
KE still has a long way to go before they can hold a candle to Asiana, service-wise.

I have never flown OZ, but it's on my priority list!

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 3):

Once again, thanks for the report! It was a great read and I'm looking forward to your EK report.

Thanks again. The EK report will be a positive one.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 4):
Awesome report with many excellent pictures as usual!

Hi Suryo, thanks so much for your feedback! Good to hear you liked it.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 4):
Good to see that you did not keep us waiting any longer for this part.

Less than two weeks between part II and part III - I'm really amazed.  

Quoting akhmad (Reply 4):
The model looked like Lady Gaga.

You're right!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 4):
Excellent service.

  

Quoting akhmad (Reply 4):
Could March probably be not the best period to visit Taiwan?

I don't know - last time I went there in November.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 4):
What an ingenious design!

No doubt about that.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 4):
Kudos to KE’s proactive solution.

  

Quoting akhmad (Reply 4):
Frequent Taipei bound Cathay travelers should try 747-400ERF once.

I'd love to fly on a 747-400F once.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 4):

Did you get offered champagne as well?

No, just non-alcoholic welcome drinks.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 4):
Great! KE has got cocktails as well!

  

Quoting akhmad (Reply 4):
Pity that KE’s premium experience did not really live up to your expectation.

Well, it wasn't too bad either.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 4):
Hopefully, your following flight would be more satisfying.

Yes, it was a great flight!


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineSRQKEF From Iceland, joined Jun 2011, 896 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 23816 times:

Hi PH,

Great report! Seems like KE is pretty nice. Although some flaws were there, it seems many will change with the new seats. I have to admit though that I love the colors of the seat! Also, that light-blue livery is always stunning.

Looking forward to the next part!
Sveinn  



Flights flown: 287 - Airlines: 41 - Airports: 66 - Next flights: KEF-LHR-KEF, RKV-AEY-RKV, KEF-EWR-MCO, SRQ-LGA, JFK-KEF
User currently offline767747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1960 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 23729 times:
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Good report, PlaneHunter!

Sorry to hear about your rather disappointing experience with Korean Air. It is surprising as there has been some glowing reports in this forum! Food does look pretty average for a J class flight, even if it is only a short hop.

Thanks for sharing!

Best,

Matthew


User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1350 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 23636 times:

Hey PH,

Thank you for another great report. As KE is gaining strength in Israel on flights to Asia, Australia and New Zealand I was very interested to read your report, in particular as the A332 is about to replace the B772 on TLV flights.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I sent a letter of complaint about the aircraft downgrade to Emirates, but I have never received an answer. Being a Korean Air customer in this case probably didn't help.

There is no worse answer then no answer at all. So rude, I can boycott an airline for life for that.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
And here's all we could see - clouds and mountains...simply amazing views:  

Wow, amazing! Can't believe it wasn't taken out of an airplane.

Thank you for shearing, Jonathan



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User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3339 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 23216 times:

Hey Udo

Sorry to hear things weren't quite at Business Class standard. Hopefully this isn't the normal KE standard.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
After buying tickets and passing security, one of the world's fastest elevators, running at 1010 meters per minute, took us from the 5th floor to the 89th floor in 37 seconds. And here's all we could see - clouds and mountains...simply amazing views: Wink

Wow, it's pretty foggy up there! At least you'd also seen it without the clouds!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The first disappointment was the main course presentation - and the second disappointment was the food quality. The chicken pieces were dry, the vegetables were mushy - and I totally disliked the fatty sauce. The noodles were okay and the bread and the fruit pieces tasted good, though. I cannot say much about the side dishes - they were probably fine, but not to my taste. No doubt, I have had numerous Economy Class meals which I rate much nicer and better than this... thumbsdown

I agree, it doesn't look good. Did you explain why yours was missing the salad? Incorrectly loaded, or had one of the crew eaten it?



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6903 posts, RR: 77
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 23177 times:

Quoting SRQKEF (Reply 6):
Great report! Seems like KE is pretty nice.

Hi Sveinn, thanks for your reply!

Quoting SRQKEF (Reply 6):
Although some flaws were there, it seems many will change with the new seats.

Yes, I'm convinced of that.

Quoting SRQKEF (Reply 6):
I have to admit though that I love the colors of the seat!

They're nice indeed, different from the usual colors.

Quoting SRQKEF (Reply 6):
Also, that light-blue livery is always stunning.

  

Quoting 767747 (Reply 7):
Good report, PlaneHunter!

Thank you, Matthew!

Quoting 767747 (Reply 7):
Sorry to hear about your rather disappointing experience with Korean Air. It is surprising as there has been some glowing reports in this forum!

Yes, I had expected it to be better. But I wouldn't hesitate to give KE another try.

Quoting 767747 (Reply 7):
Food does look pretty average for a J class flight, even if it is only a short hop.

  

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 8):

Thank you for another great report.

Hi Jonathan, thanks a lot for your comments!

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 8):
As KE is gaining strength in Israel on flights to Asia, Australia and New Zealand

Good to hear.

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 8):
in particular as the A332 is about to replace the B772 on TLV flights.

Does that also mean frequencies will increase?

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 8):
There is no worse answer then no answer at all. So rude, I can boycott an airline for life for that.

Well, technically speaking I was a Korean Air customer booked on two flights with KE flight numbers. I guess it would have been different if I had booked ICN-DXB as an EK flight. It's interesting to note that EK couldn't even access my booking due to the KE booking code. I'll tell more about that in the next report.

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 8):
Wow, ! Can't believe it wasn't taken out of an airplane.

I hadn't thought about that yet!

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 9):
Sorry to hear things weren't quite at Business Class standard. Hopefully this isn't the normal KE standard.

Hi Gabriel, thanks for your feedback. I don't hope that either.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 9):
Wow, it's pretty foggy up there! At least you'd also seen it without the clouds!

Yes, I was lucky in 2008.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 9):
I agree, it doesn't look good. Did you explain why yours was missing the salad? Incorrectly loaded, or had one of the crew eaten it?

That's a good question, I didn't further investigate.


PH

[Edited 2012-10-07 22:36:36]


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User currently offlinesultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1771 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 22489 times:
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Good day PH,

Thanks for this interesting story, I liked it very much. Too bad that the KE flight wasn't totally up to your expectations. The low meal quality and quantity indeed seems rather disappointing.... And that for an Asian carrier! The cabin in general looks nice but it shows that the comfort of the business class seat isn't satisfactory. Luckily it was only a short flight.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
one of the world's fastest elevators, running at 1010 meters per minute, took us from the 5th floor to the 89th floor in 37 seconds.

That'll give you a butterfly stomach for sure. It seems like a rocket launch.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
nd here's all we could see - clouds and mountains...simply amazing views

Ha ha, that is about the same view as from an airline seat, 10 km high  

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Beautiful livery, isn't it?

I'm not quite sure...

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I'm sure he got somehow compensated.

If they would give free flights for that, I'd happily volunteer to be smothered with drinks and food   

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
No, slippers! Very surprising to find those on a 2 hour flight

I hope you wear them at home now and with great pride 

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
My brother ordered the chicken and so did I - but a few moments later the flight attendant returned and politely told me that only the Asian option was left for me. I wasn't amused about that, but what can you do? However, the flight attendant suddenly showed up again and said that one western main course was still available - but it wouldn't be possible to serve it with the salad as suggested on the menu card. Good news!

Hmm, not the meal you like in C class is a serious flaw I'd say. But still, they gave an acceptable replacement.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Here's the fully reclined seat of the passenger in 9G

It looks quite OK, but I guess the looks are deceiving?

Sultanils



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6903 posts, RR: 77
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 22469 times:

Quoting sultanils (Reply 11):
Thanks for this interesting story, I liked it very much.

Hi Nils, thanks for your comments!

Quoting sultanils (Reply 11):
The low meal quality and quantity indeed seems rather disappointing.... And that for an Asian carrier!

  

Quoting sultanils (Reply 11):
The cabin in general looks nice but it shows that the comfort of the business class seat isn't satisfactory.

The colors are nice indeed.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 11):
That'll give you a butterfly stomach for sure. It seems like a rocket launch.

Yes, it's an interesting experience.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 11):
Ha ha, that is about the same view as from an airline seat, 10 km high

Yes, almost.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 11):
I'm not quite sure...

I like the blue, very distinctive.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 11):
If they would give free flights for that, I'd happily volunteer to be smothered with drinks and food

Who wouldn't?  

Quoting sultanils (Reply 11):
I hope you wear them at home now and with great pride

No, I didn't take them with me.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 11):
Hmm, not the meal you like in C class is a serious flaw I'd say. But still, they gave an acceptable replacement.

At least they tried their best.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 11):
It looks quite OK, but I guess the looks are deceiving?

Yes - the problem is a lack of decent legroom in that position.


PH



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User currently offlineFlyKev From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 1385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 21747 times:
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Great TR as usual PH,

The seats look nice however it does seem apparent they aren't so great when you actually have to use them for their intended purpose.
I was quite surprised at the meals though; for a supposedly J class meal it looks very high end Y maybe Premium Economy presentation wise.

The IFE however looks to be pretty decent though and the screen size would certainly allow for some decent movie watching on a longer flight; though not with the headset you showed us...

I look forward you your next report, thanks for sharing.

Kev.



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User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5126 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 21380 times:

PH,

Thanks for the report. I have always found their seat to be mediocre at best. Usually, I have had very good food, so am surprised at how poor the food looked. Anyways, thanks again, and I look forward to the next one.

Saludos,
A.



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6903 posts, RR: 77
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 21326 times:

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 13):
Great TR as usual PH,

Hi Kev, thanks for your comments! Good to hear from you.

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 13):
The seats look nice however it does seem apparent they aren't so great when you actually have to use them for their intended purpose.

  

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 13):
I was quite surprised at the meals though; for a supposedly J class meal it looks very high end Y maybe Premium Economy presentation wise.

Yes, it was real letdown.

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 13):
The IFE however looks to be pretty decent though and the screen size would certainly allow for some decent movie watching on a longer flight; though not with the headset you showed us...

That's true, the screens are huge. I have heard that the movie selection is not very good, I didn't check all available options.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 14):
Thanks for the report.

Thanks for your reply, Alex!

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 14):
I have always found their seat to be mediocre at best.

Have you tried the new sleeper seat?

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 14):
Usually, I have had very good food, so am surprised at how poor the food looked.

Yes, I expected it to be much better.

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 13):
I look forward you your next report, thanks for sharing.
Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 14):
I look forward to the next one.

Good to hear!


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineLH4532 From Germany, joined Sep 2011, 81 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 21098 times:

Hello PlaneHunter,
nice to see another part of your TR serien online.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
the A380 was replaced by a Boeing 777-300ER (at least with the latest interior)

The 777-300ER with the lastest interior is at least a little compensation.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I missed a personal touch throughout the whole flight

That is too bad to hear that is was like that. But you can at least say that they were smiling and being friendly.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
tasty peanuts were offered

Honey roasted peanuts are the best  .

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Tea and coffee were offered before we hadn't finished eating yet

That sure is strange. Maybe they were in a rush or so.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Lavatory amenities

That is quite generous, it even includes a razor.


I have enjoyed reading this new Trip Report. Your pictures from Taipei are great, one of the places I have to visited sometime. Please keep up the good work.


Daniel (LH4532)


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6648 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 20788 times:

Hi PlaneHunter!

Thanks for another amazing report with amazing pictures ! Great to see another part in this trip series!

KE looks okay here for a shorter flight but bad that the seat is angled and it does look cramped and you are not that tall. Seat looks very similar to JL's J seat in the report posted by GabrielChew and also the J seat on the CO/UAs 752s although the latter is horizontal lie-flat.

Food looks okay for a two-hour flight but for a longer flight, portion look a bit small.

Too bad you missed out of getting a picture of Taipei 101 in daylight in clear weather but at least you had seen that before. Also you got to see that at night.

Very much look forward to seeing the next part in this series!

The777Man



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User currently offlineadamspotter From Netherlands, joined Feb 2011, 1169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 20733 times:
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Hi PH!

Great to see your next part online so fast, good job!
Another excellent report with nice pictures, as usual  
Taipei 101 looks quite impressive despite the bad weather.
Sorry to hear about your not so good experience in Koreans prestige class, such a shame.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I had reserved a room with Taipei 101 view - here's the result:

Shame about the weather

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Views in the other directions weren't as spectacular:

Well I have never seen a scooter parking lot before 
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Beautiful livery, isn't it?

It is quite nice indeed

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Shortly after that incident, the cabin manager went through the rows and welcomed all passengers. "Thank you for flying with us today!", she said with a smile.

A very nice touch!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Rather basic headphones:

Looks more like economy class headphones!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
and there's China Airlines' nice Dreamliner 747 which I'd have preferred over my old bird on the day before

Its rubbing it in too ya  
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
Main menu

Seems like the time and distance to destination isn't working right at the top of your screen

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Here's my brother's tray with the salad which I wouldn't get - it looked a bit puny in my opinion:

Looks quite poor IMHO

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
And here's my tray with western main course and Asian side dishes:

That main dish looks more like a Y class meal

Looking forward to the next part!

cheers,

Brendan


User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 965 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 20515 times:

Great report and excellent pics. I think Taipei 101 seems to look so tall as it is the only building so it stands out like a lamp-post. Did you have a chance to go to the National Museum there? Yhey have all the treasures from the forbidden city in Beijing - well worth the visit. That construction you saw on the way to the airport is MTR expansion, so soon you will be able to take metro to the city.

User currently offlineflightsimboy From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 20477 times:
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Hey PH,

Nice to see the next report from this series!!! And that too on a gorgeous Korean Air Airbus A330-300!!!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
We exited the airport bus at the nearest stop to our hotel and took a taxi for the last stage.

So is Taipei 101 close to the airport or does this Airport bus do a long route into the city? It seems you still needed to take a taxi to get to it.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
I had chosen the decently priced Home Hotel because it's located just around the corner from Taipei 101 and because it had received very good ratings:

Home Hotel, quite a play of words there. Glad it met your expectations. Seems to be a nice entrance too.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
Nice artwork in the lobby:

Artwork perhaps, but a bit too suggestive. Something you would expect to see in the lobby or entrance of a gentleman's club lol

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
What an impressive piece of architecture:

Yes indeed. I must say your photos are the first I am seeing of Taipei 101, up close and personal.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
heaviest tuned mass damper which has been installed to offset movements caused by strong gusts and earthquakes:

Well it is in a notorious zone for typhoons, and equally close to other earthquake epicentres.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Beautiful livery, isn't it?

Like I said Korean Air birds are gorgeous!! In fact I think the otherwise fat A380 wears the Korean Air colours really well.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
As soon as priority boarding commenced, we moved forward and friendly flight attendants welcomed us at the aircraft door. Even though the ladies in their nice uniforms were friendly and kept smiling most of the time, I missed a personal touch throughout the whole flight.

Hmm PH, looks like another top notch Asian carrier like TG failed to impress you.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Finally, non-alcoholic drinks (water, guava juice and fresh orange juice) as well as tasty peanuts were offered:

No peanuts in a bowl?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Shortly after that incident, the cabin manager went through the rows and welcomed all passengers. "Thank you for flying with us today!", she said with a smile.

Nice when a purser takes the time to welcome guests on board.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Rather basic headphones:

Even the headphones on EY's Y class look and feel so much better.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
No, slippers! Very surprising to find those on a 2 hour flight:

How nice!!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
My brother ordered the chicken and so did I - but a few moments later the flight attendant returned and politely told me that only the Asian option was left for me. I wasn't amused about that, but what can you do? However, the flight attendant suddenly showed up again and said that one western main course was still available - but it wouldn't be possible to serve it with the salad as suggested on the menu card. Good news!
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The first disappointment was the main course presentation - and the second disappointment was the food quality. The chicken pieces were dry, the vegetables were mushy - and I totally disliked the fatty sauce. The noodles were okay and the bread and the fruit pieces tasted good, though. I cannot say much about the side dishes - they were probably fine, but not to my taste. No doubt, I have had numerous Economy Class meals which I rate much nicer and better than this...

Looks like you didn't miss much by not getting the salad. But it appears the main meal itself disappointed you.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
and there's China Airlines' nice Dreamliner 747 which I'd have preferred over my old bird on the day before…

Now don't you think it looks even more gorgeous when viewed from the window of a Korean Air A330 taking off!!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
No doubt, this is ICN:

It sure appears to be lol

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
HL7587

I googled the registration to see if model planes exist and it appears Dragon Wings has a 1/400 model with the very same registration!!


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6903 posts, RR: 77
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 20397 times:

Quoting LH4532 (Reply 16):
nice to see another part of your TR serien online.

Hi Daniel, many thanks for your reply!

Quoting LH4532 (Reply 16):
The 777-300ER with the lastest interior is at least a little compensation.

True. But you never know if there's a last minute aircraft change. Would have been really bad if they had sent a 77W with old J Class.

Quoting LH4532 (Reply 16):
That is too bad to hear that is was like that. But you can at least say that they were smiling and being friendly.

  

Quoting LH4532 (Reply 16):
Honey roasted peanuts are the best

Sweet and salty is also my preference.

Quoting LH4532 (Reply 16):
That is quite generous, it even includes a razor.

  

Quoting LH4532 (Reply 16):
I have enjoyed reading this new Trip Report.

Good to hear!

Quoting LH4532 (Reply 16):
Your pictures from Taipei are great, one of the places I have to visited sometime. Please keep up the good work.

Thanks again! Yes, you should go there one day. Great destination, great domestic flight options.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 17):
Thanks for another amazing report with amazing pictures ! Great to see another part in this trip series!

Hi Lars, thank you very much for your feedback!

Quoting The777Man (Reply 17):
KE looks okay here for a shorter flight but bad that the seat is angled and it does look cramped and you are not that tall.

Yes, it's a flawed design IMO.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 17):
Food looks okay for a two-hour flight but for a longer flight, portion look a bit small.

No doubt about that.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 17):
Too bad you missed out of getting a picture of Taipei 101 in daylight in clear weather but at least you had seen that before. Also you got to see that at night.

Seeing it at night for the first time was certainly nice.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 17):
Very much look forward to seeing the next part in this series!

Mighty 777 included...  

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 18):
Great to see your next part online so fast, good job!
Another excellent report with nice pictures, as usual

Hi Brendan, many thanks for your comments! Good to hear you enjoyed reading!

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 18):
Taipei 101 looks quite impressive despite the bad weather.

It looks great anytime.

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 18):
Well I have never seen a scooter parking lot before

Good point.

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 18):
A very nice touch!

  

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 18):
Looks more like economy class headphones!

That's what I thought, too.

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 18):
Its rubbing it in too ya

Yes...  

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 18):
Seems like the time and distance to destination isn't working right at the top of your screen

I took numerous pictures of these screens throughout the flight and the later ones turned out to be better - I simply put in the later ones. I forgot to add a remark about that.

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 18):
Looks quite poor IMHO

I can only agree!

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 18):
That main dish looks more like a Y class meal

  

Quoting WROORD (Reply 19):
Great report and excellent pics.

Thanks for leaving a reply, WROORD! Good to hear you liked it.

Quoting WROORD (Reply 19):
I think Taipei 101 seems to look so tall as it is the only building so it stands out like a lamp-post.

Yes, that's true. I noticed that during my visit some years ago.

Quoting WROORD (Reply 19):
Did you have a chance to go to the National Museum there? Yhey have all the treasures from the forbidden city in Beijing - well worth the visit.

No, unfortunately. But I definitely want to visit that city again.

Quoting WROORD (Reply 19):
That construction you saw on the way to the airport is MTR expansion, so soon you will be able to take metro to the city.

Good to know, thanks!

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 20):
Nice to see the next report from this series!!!

Hi Flightsimboy, thank you very much for your feedback!

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 20):
And that too on a gorgeous Korean Air Airbus A330-300!!!

It looks nice indeed!

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 20):
So is Taipei 101 close to the airport or does this Airport bus do a long route into the city? It seems you still needed to take a taxi to get to it.

No, the bus ride took about an hour - and there's no stop at the Taipei 101.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 20):
Home Hotel, quite a play of words there. Glad it met your expectations. Seems to be a nice entrance too.

It's a really nice hotel with personal service, I can only recommend it.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 20):
Artwork perhaps, but a bit too suggestive. Something you would expect to see in the lobby or entrance of a gentleman's club lol

Well, it's Taiwan. You see lots of interesting and unusual stuff there.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 20):
Yes indeed. I must say your photos are the first I am seeing of Taipei 101, up close and personal.

Good to know, thanks! Did you also check my report from 2009?

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 20):
Well it is in a notorious zone for typhoons, and equally close to other earthquake epicentres.

That's what makes this building so fascinating.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 20):

Like I said Korean Air birds are gorgeous!! In fact I think the otherwise fat A380 wears the Korean Air colours really well.
KE's blue color stands out, turns every plane into a nice one.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 20):
Hmm PH, looks like another top notch Asian carrier like TG failed to impress you.

Yes, unfortunately.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 20):
No peanuts in a bowl?

No bowl.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 20):

Nice when a purser takes the time to welcome guests on board.

  

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 20):

Looks like you didn't miss much by not getting the salad. But it appears the main meal itself disappointed you.

The catering in general was a letdown.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 20):
Now don't you think it looks even more gorgeous when viewed from the window of a Korean Air A330 taking off!!

Ah, I don't know. I would have preferred to see a KE A330 on the ground while taking on on that Dreamliner 747!  

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 20):

I googled the registration to see if model planes exist and it appears Dragon Wings has a 1/400 model with the very same registration!!

Really? Very nice. I may have a look at this one.


PH

[Edited 2012-10-09 23:01:27]


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27248 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 20187 times:

Hey Udo  

Lovely report and photos as usual. Its a real shame about the food. You expect something special on premium classes which is a big part of the product IMHO! I wonder why airlines serve up these things when its not rocket science what keeps well in the air and what does not .


Anyway hopefully your next adventure will be better  

Regards

Philip  


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6903 posts, RR: 77
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 20147 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 22):
Lovely report and photos as usual.

Hi Philip, thanks for your comments!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 22):
You expect something special on premium classes which is a big part of the product IMHO! I wonder why airlines serve up these things when its not rocket science what keeps well in the air and what does not .

I can only agree!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 22):
Anyway hopefully your next adventure will be better

Yes, the next flight was much better.


PH



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User currently offlineFlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1706 posts, RR: 30
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 20068 times:

Hi PH,

Nice one again, some good pictures from the Taipei 101 and around, shame the weather wasn't the greatest.

That Prestige class flight doesn't look too good - the hard product appears to be quite flawed and food wasn't the greatest either (although this may be a matter of taste as well). But this is a regional flight - I hope on real long haul the offerings are somewhat better (but then again that can't really help with the seat of course).

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I had chosen the decently priced Home Hotel

Interesting, that name would suggest to a small family-run place or something like that but this appears to be some sort of boutique/design place. Looks good though.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Very friendly receptionists welcomed us and one of them even accompanied us to our room.

...now you could get all kinds of interesting ideas from this sentence  .

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
What an impressive piece of architecture:

I don't really like it that much from the outside. Looks somewhat bland and lacking the "wow" effect. But that may just be your pictures actually, in real life it could appear completely different. These superhigh buildings are hard to capture properly with a camera.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
And here's all we could see - clouds and mountains...simply amazing views:  

Hah, that looks quite amazing actually. You should've gone back up during the evening for a view of the millions of flights of Taipei as well..

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The lounge was rather deserted and I liked the atmosphere, but there aren't any windows:

Looks quite large as well. But considering it is China Airlines' flagship lounge at their home airport I guess it is only natural.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I had some snacks and a coffee, nothing to write home about:

Good to see some dim sum dumplings there! Those are usually very good.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Finally, non-alcoholic drinks (water, guava juice and fresh orange juice) as well as tasty peanuts were offered:

What about champagne, the real reason for flying up front?!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Rather basic headphones:

Very unimpressive for J cabin, okay for economy.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
No, slippers! Very surprising to find those on a 2 hour flight:

Haha! The Asians are obsessed with slippers  . Actually Aeroflot hands them out in their short haul business class as well.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Inflight magazine and shopping guide:

Look at the thickness of the latter! No wonder they have the shop facility in their A380s...

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
That's what I preferred, as usual:

Oh yes, count me in. That map looks quite high resolution as well, well done.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Unfortunately, I didn't feel as comfortable in this 170 degree position as it may look - legroom was very limited and I felt cramped. I doubt that I would be able to sleep comfortably in that seat. That design is flawed in my opinion and probably that's one reason why Korean Air has decided to replace it not long after its introduction.

That "slot" where your feet are supposed to go looks indeed very cramped. I doubt anyone with big feet would feel very comfortable there. I agree that it is a problem with the original design, very bad.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
And here's my tray with western main course and Asian side dishes:

It doesn't look that bad at all, but I guess looks can be deceiving.

I would've gone with the Chinese option anyway, when flying local, eat local is a good thumb rule. I've eaten some really horrible western food in Asia so the local options are usually a far safer choice.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
After lunch, it was time for a short walk. Numerous seats had remained empty in Prestige Class:

...but yet they ran out of the Western meal? Odd!


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 25, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 19909 times:

Hi PH

Great report as always,

I read it with great interest as they are the fastest connection to west coast US from BOM, and send their 332s to my city

Your conclusion was just about the perfect summary one can give for this experience --

Thanks for sharing

Cheers

Karan


User currently offlineroberts87 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2011, 1014 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 19335 times:

Excellent report as usual, with great attention detail! A terrifc read! Looking forward to the next part.
Also thanks for the tour of the 101, that things looks amazing!


User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From UK - England, joined Sep 2003, 5177 posts, RR: 55
Reply 27, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 19331 times:

Servus, PH.

really interesting to follow you´re latest visit to Taipeh and also the KE flight.
While some mostly biz oriented travellers told me about the mostly biz oriented behaviour of the people in Taipeh like
no personal touch, I´am looking forward to my stay there.

Definitely a strange design piece with that KE seat. Maybe not especially built for us westerners!.

Hopefully not that long to wait for the next part now.

Greetings,
Markus(FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlinelukeyboy95 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 1128 posts, RR: 32
Reply 28, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 19286 times:

Hi PH,

A great continuation of your journey. Many thanks... I thought the offerings looked a little underwhelming for a Korean carrier too... Infact, as you mentioned, it seems even Y gets better food quality at times...

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
the decently priced Home Hotel because it's located just around the corner from Taipei 101

Sweet... I would love to see this building. I did rather like your 'above the clouds' shot as you would never believe an enormous city was just below it...

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
No doubt, I have had numerous Economy Class meals which I rate much nicer and better than this...   

As above.

I did think the cabin looked quite nice, and I believe you deserve a pat on the back for finding an html colour code so close to the Korean blue. Who knows what competition Asiana must be giving them.

Cheers U,

Luke



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User currently onlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8578 posts, RR: 54
Reply 29, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 18981 times:
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Hi PH,

Great read and nice pictures, really enjoyed!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
due to the wing crack issue, the A380 was replaced by a Boeing 777-300ER (at least with the latest interior) some weeks after booking. Since we had already completed the itinerary, a rebooking wouldn't have made any sense. And I guess it wouldn't have been possible anyway due to the fare rules. I sent a letter of complaint about the aircraft downgrade to Emirates, but I have never received an answer. Being a Korean Air customer in this case probably didn't help.

- Regardless, you expect letters/e-mails to be answered, it's just basic customer service.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Just when we were about to walk to the Taipei 101, it started raining again, but the friendly hotel staff equipped us with umbrellas.

- Nice touch by the hotel.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
one of the world's fastest elevators, running at 1010 meters per minute, took us from the 5th floor to the 89th floor in 37 seconds.

- Impressive!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
we passed the Grand Hotel Taipei, one of the world's tallest classical Chinese buildings:

- Now that is one great looking building.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The lounge was rather deserted and I liked the atmosphere, but there aren't any windows:

- A lounge without views........rubbish

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
HL7587, one of 16 A330-300s in the fleet. Beautiful livery, isn't it?

- Yep, love the KE livery!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Meals were served 45 minutes after takeoff. Here's my brother's tray with the salad which I wouldn't get - it looked a bit puny in my opinion:

- Indeed, very weak salad for sure!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
here's my tray with western main course and Asian side dishes:

- Hmm, were it not for the glasses etc, you'd think this was a YCL meal!

You know I enjoyed my two KE YCL A380 flights I took back whenever, if this is the difference between YCL and YCL, there is no point booking YCL.

Regards

Mark



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6903 posts, RR: 77
Reply 30, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 18714 times:

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 24):
Nice one again, some good pictures from the Taipei 101 and around, shame the weather wasn't the greatest.

Hi P., thanks for your feedback!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 24):

That Prestige class flight doesn't look too good - the hard product appears to be quite flawed and food wasn't the greatest either (although this may be a matter of taste as well).

  

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 24):
. But this is a regional flight - I hope on real long haul the offerings are somewhat better (but then again that can't really help with the seat of course).

I'm sure the catering is better. And you soon get a better seat on most long-haul planes.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 24):
Interesting, that name would suggest to a small family-run place or something like that but this appears to be some sort of boutique/design place. Looks good though.

Yes, it can be called boutique hotel. They also have a nice lounge/bar area, sometimes even live music. I'd definitely stay there again.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 24):
...now you could get all kinds of interesting ideas from this sentence

I knew someone would write something like that sooner or later...why am I not surprised to hear it from you?  

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 24):
I don't really like it that much from the outside. Looks somewhat bland and lacking the "wow" effect. But that may just be your pictures actually, in real life it could appear completely different.

It looks great in reality.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 24):
These superhigh buildings are hard to capture properly with a camera.

Very true.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 24):

Hah, that looks quite amazing actually. You should've gone back up during the evening for a view of the millions of flights of Taipei as well..

Well, I'll do that when I visit Taipei for the third time...whenever that may be.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 24):
Good to see some dim sum dumplings there! Those are usually very good.

They weren't bad.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 24):
What about champagne, the real reason for flying up front?!

No champagne. Probably not so popular among Korean/Taiwanese business travellers...who knows. Nevertheless, they should offer it.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 24):
Very unimpressive for J cabin, okay for economy.

  

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 24):
Haha! The Asians are obsessed with slippers . Actually Aeroflot hands them out in their short haul business class as well.

Really? Amazing.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 24):
Look at the thickness of the latter! No wonder they have the shop facility in their A380s...

Yes, good observation.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 24):
That "slot" where your feet are supposed to go looks indeed very cramped. I doubt anyone with big feet would feel very comfortable there. I agree that it is a problem with the original design, very bad.

It's not surprising that they are replacing the seat again.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 24):
It doesn't look that bad at all, but I guess looks can be deceiving.

  

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 24):
I would've gone with the Chinese option anyway, when flying local, eat local is a good thumb rule. I've eaten some really horrible western food in Asia so the local options are usually a far safer choice.

I also like to try local food, but it didn't attract me in this case.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 24):
...but yet they ran out of the Western meal? Odd!

Good point.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 25):
Great report as always,

I read it with great interest as they are the fastest connection to west coast US from BOM, and send their 332s to my city

Hi Karan, many thanks for your reply!

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 25):
Your conclusion was just about the perfect summary one can give for this experience --

Thanks!

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 26):
Excellent report as usual, with great attention detail! A terrifc read! Looking forward to the next part.

Thanks a lot for your comments, Robert!

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 26):
Also thanks for the tour of the 101, that things looks amazing!

It's indeed an amazing building.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 27):
really interesting to follow you´re latest visit to Taipeh and also the KE flight.

Hi Markus, thanks for leaving a reply! I guess we will soon see Taipei 101 pictures from you!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 27):
While some mostly biz oriented travellers told me about the mostly biz oriented behaviour of the people in Taipeh like
no personal touch, I´am looking forward to my stay there.

People were very nice in Taiwan, no worries.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 27):
Definitely a strange design piece with that KE seat. Maybe not especially built for us westerners!.

But installed on many long-haul aircraft - sometimes one can only wonder.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 27):
Hopefully not that long to wait for the next part now.

Well, give me two weeks...

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 28):

A great continuation of your journey. Many thanks...

Hi Luke, thanks so much for your feedback! Good to hear you liked it.

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 28):
. I thought the offerings looked a little underwhelming for a Korean carrier too... Infact, as you mentioned, it seems even Y gets better food quality at times...

  

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 28):

Sweet... I would love to see this building.

Yes, I can only recommend to visit that building.

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 28):
I did rather like your 'above the clouds' shot as you would never believe an enormous city was just below it...

Good point.

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 28):
I did think the cabin looked quite nice, and I believe you deserve a pat on the back for finding an html colour code so close to the Korean blue.

Well, it wasn't too hard to find.

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 28):
Who knows what competition Asiana must be giving them.

It's a very serious competitor - I really need to try OZ. Fares from Germany have always been quite high.

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 29):

Great read and nice pictures, really enjoyed!

Hi Mark, thanks a lot for your comments!

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 29):
Regardless, you expect letters/e-mails to be answered, it's just basic customer service.

You're right.

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 29):
Nice touch by the hotel.

  

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 29):
Now that is one great looking building.

Absolutely.

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 29):
A lounge without views........rubbish

So true!

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 29):
Indeed, very weak salad for sure!

  

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 29):
Hmm, were it not for the glasses etc, you'd think this was a YCL meal!

   Just think of EK's meal trays in Y Class

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 29):
You know I enjoyed my two KE YCL A380 flights I took back whenever, if this is the difference between YCL and YCL, there is no point booking YCL.

  


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineMSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2474 posts, RR: 16
Reply 31, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 18603 times:

Hello PH

Nice to see another story from you around It's always an enjoyable read!
Too bad to hear about EK downgrading to a 77W, but that's another story for now.
Great to see a decent J deal, beats Y anytime. Too bad to hear about the catering, doens't look so inmpressive.
Interesting to see Taipei as well.

Looking forward to the next

Greetings
Marc



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User currently offlineeastafspot From France, joined Jan 2008, 830 posts, RR: 20
Reply 32, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 18428 times:

Hello Udo

Very nice report on a KE A330, too bad to hear that you were disappointed. I do believe they fly to NBO with this type of A/C, so it is always useful to compare the Skyteam product. One (or 2) shrimp in the salad makes them stingy. A small bottle of wine looks like Y class. Even KQ, on continental routes, serve it on a glass...

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
simply amazing views

Doubtless the best, if taken from the stratosphere....  .


Thanks for sharing

Léo

[Edited 2012-10-13 11:53:33]


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User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 33, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 17730 times:

Hello PH!

Finally found some time to read your report covering Taipei! Perfect timing as well as I'm heading there tomorrow!  
Shame that the KE Prestige Class was okay at best. I do agree that they have a very nice livery though.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
What an impressive piece of architecture:

Agreed. The Taipei 101 is probably what I am looking forward to most on my Taipei visit! I've always had a 'thing' for skyscrapers and towers and such.  
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
On the next morning, we left the hotel about three hours before departure. This time we took a taxi rather than the bus and enjoyed a comfortable door-to-door service.

I'm planning on taking a taxi to get back to the airport as well, since I'm departing on a morning flight.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
On the way, we passed the Grand Hotel Taipei, one of the world's tallest classical Chinese buildings:

That looks like an impressive building!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
unfortunately, the window was quite dirty:

That's always a shame.

Martin


User currently offlineCaptainRed From Germany, joined Oct 2010, 715 posts, RR: 21
Reply 34, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 17450 times:

Hi PH,

another great report, good to follow your recent Asian adventure. And sorry for replying so late. Nice to take us on a short tour through Taipei and especially the tower, must indeed be an amazing building.

Sorry to read that your experience on Korean was also a little disappointing. However (with the exception of the meal) it seemed to be much better than your previous two flights.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
And here's all we could see - clouds and mountains...simply amazing views:

What a shame with the weather, but well, can't do anything about it. But still interesting to be between cloud layers when in a building.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
You can watch an interesting and funny documentary about the damper which has been nicknamed "Damper Baby"

Now that's really interesting, good idea and probably necessary in an earthquake region.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The building looks impressive at night as well:

Indeed, even more so than in daylight it seems.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The first disappointment was the main course presentation - and the second disappointment was the food quality.

True, my first thought was also that this (at least the main course) looks like an economy meal.

Greetings
CaptainRed


User currently offlinewin1290 From Thailand, joined Jan 2012, 280 posts, RR: 2
Reply 35, posted (2 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 16591 times:

Hi PH,

Very nice trip report once again. Thank you, it was a very nice read.

Really like your pictures of the Taipei101, thanks for the tour and the interesting information about the building.

China Airlines lounge looks quite nice and good that it was empty when you got there. Seem they have some dim sums as well! Love them . For the flight, I think overall it looks ok. But quite disspointed to know that meal service was a bit rushed.

Look forward to the coming parts.

Thanks,

Win


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6903 posts, RR: 77
Reply 36, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 16168 times:

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 31):
Nice to see another story from you around It's always an enjoyable read!

Thanks for your reply, Marc!

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 31):
Too bad to hear about EK downgrading to a 77W, but that's another story for now.

Yes, more to follow soon.

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 31):
Great to see a decent J deal, beats Y anytime.

In most cases, yes.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 32):
Very nice report on a KE A330, too bad to hear that you were disappointed.

Hi Léo, thanks a lot for your comments!

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 32):
I do believe they fly to NBO with this type of A/C, so it is always useful to compare the Skyteam product.

Interesting, when did they start serving NBO?

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 32):
One (or 2) shrimp in the salad makes them stingy. A small bottle of wine looks like Y class.

I can only agree.

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 33):
Finally found some time to read your report covering Taipei!

Hi Martin, thank you for your feedback!

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 33):
Perfect timing as well as I'm heading there tomorrow!
Quoting deltamartin (Reply 33):
Agreed. The Taipei 101 is probably what I am looking forward to most on my Taipei visit! I've always had a 'thing' for skyscrapers and towers and such.

I'm already looking forward to your report! Hopefully you had nice weather over there.

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 33):
I'm planning on taking a taxi to get back to the airport as well, since I'm departing on a morning flight.

Good plan.

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 33):

That looks like an impressive building!

  

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 34):
another great report, good to follow your recent Asian adventure.

Hi CaptainRed, thanks a lot for your comments!

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 34):
And sorry for replying so late.

No worries!

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 34):
Nice to take us on a short tour through Taipei and especially the tower, must indeed be an amazing building.

Absolutely, one of the most impressive buildings in the world.

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 34):
Sorry to read that your experience on Korean was also a little disappointing. However (with the exception of the meal) it seemed to be much better than your previous two flights.

No doubt about that.

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 34):
Now that's really interesting, good idea and probably necessary in an earthquake region.

Yes, very innovative.

Quoting win1290 (Reply 35):
Very nice trip report once again. Thank you, it was a very nice read.
Quoting win1290 (Reply 35):
Really like your pictures of the Taipei101, thanks for the tour and the interesting information about the building.

Many thanks for leaving a reply, Win! Good to hear you liked it.

Quoting win1290 (Reply 35):
China Airlines lounge looks quite nice and good that it was empty when you got there.

Yes, it was similar at ICN later on that day. More to follow soon.

Quoting win1290 (Reply 35):
For the flight, I think overall it looks ok. But quite disspointed to know that meal service was a bit rushed.

  


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineeastafspot From France, joined Jan 2008, 830 posts, RR: 20
Reply 37, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 15326 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 36):
Hi Léo, thanks a lot for your comments!

Don't mention it!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 36):
Interesting, when did they start serving NBO?

KE launched the route end of June of this year with three frequencies per week.

Flightglobal.com wrote "With a scheduled block time of nearly 14 hours, this route could become the presently longest scheduled nonstop flight to be operated on board an Airbus A330-200 aircraft."

Do you confirm or infirm this info?



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User currently offlinepalmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1223 posts, RR: 17
Reply 38, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 15142 times:

Hi PH

Thanks for a great read and your pics are as always - of a very high quality.

I really enjoyed seeing pictures of Taipei and how much it has changed since I was there in the mid 90s. It's hardly recognisable in some places. Nobody could have imagined seeing Taipei 101 back in 1995 for sure!

The hotel looked very nice too.

Interesting to read about your KE experiences and sorry they did not fulfil expectations. Reading your report I was reminded about back when I was studying in TPE that there had been a recent diplomatic spat between the ROC Govt and South Korea which effectively led to a temporary banning of all KE flights to TPE. It's amazing how much things have changed since then in aviation terms as well.

Thanks again - Palmjet



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6903 posts, RR: 77
Reply 39, posted (2 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 15124 times:

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 37):
KE launched the route end of June of this year with three frequencies per week.

Thanks, I didn't notice that.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 37):
Flightglobal.com wrote "With a scheduled block time of nearly 14 hours, this route could become the presently longest scheduled nonstop flight to be operated on board an Airbus A330-200 aircraft."

The flight does still exist, pretty amazing. I guess they face quite some payload restrictions. Sounds like a perfect route for the 787.

Quoting palmjet (Reply 38):
Thanks for a great read and your pics are as always - of a very high quality.

Hi Palmjet, many thanks for your comments! Good to hear from you! Sorry for the delayed reply.

Quoting palmjet (Reply 38):
Nobody could have imagined seeing Taipei 101 back in 1995 for sure!

That's not hard to imagine, the building is simply outstanding.

Quoting palmjet (Reply 38):
Reading your report I was reminded about back when I was studying in TPE that there had been a recent diplomatic spat between the ROC Govt and South Korea which effectively led to a temporary banning of all KE flights to TPE.

Ah, politics...good to see these tensions belong to the past.

Quoting palmjet (Reply 38):
It's amazing how much things have changed since then in aviation terms as well.

  


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlinetommy525 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (2 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 14435 times:

Hi Planehunter. Hope you don't mind me chiming in . You have to go back to Taiwan again. TransAsia just got its first A330 it seems? Looking forward to another of your excellent trip reports on that one !

Maybe you can take a side trip on Mandarin's E190 down to TaiTung. Try the excellent Royal Chihpen Hotel for its in house hot springs and relaxing atmosphere there in Taitung. You could go on down to the beautiful southern tip of Taiwan from there and take in some nice beaches and a few days of Rest and Recreation there . Not sure if you have been on that one yet?

OOps maybe not. Seems they have had an over-run with one of them recently? In Makung? Always a windy airport to land on ,as you have.

http://avherald.com/h?article=45476b47


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6903 posts, RR: 77
Reply 41, posted (2 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 14306 times:

Quoting tommy525 (Reply 40):
Hi Planehunter. Hope you don't mind me chiming in .
Quoting tommy525 (Reply 40):
Looking forward to another of your excellent trip reports on that one !

Hi Roberto, thanks for your feedback!

Quoting tommy525 (Reply 40):
You have to go back to Taiwan again. TransAsia just got its first A330 it seems?

Yes, I certainly want to go there again. TransAsia's A330 would be nice.

Quoting tommy525 (Reply 40):
Maybe you can take a side trip on Mandarin's E190 down to TaiTung. Try the excellent Royal Chihpen Hotel for its in house hot springs and relaxing atmosphere there in Taitung. You could go on down to the beautiful southern tip of Taiwan from there and take in some nice beaches and a few days of Rest and Recreation there . Not sure if you have been on that one yet?

No, I have just visited Taipei - and I made a short trip to Makung in 2008.

Taiwan Trio: TransAsia, UNI Air And The Taipei 101 (by PlaneHunter Feb 21 2009 in Trip Reports)

Quoting tommy525 (Reply 40):
OOps maybe not. Seems they have had an over-run with one of them recently? In Makung? Always a windy airport to land on ,as you have.

Interesting, I hadn't heard about that incident yet.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1108 posts, RR: 8
Reply 42, posted (2 years 3 days ago) and read 14251 times:

Hey PH, great report! KE looks like they provide a solid product. Not great but definitely better than average.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
After buying tickets and passing security, one of the world's fastest elevators, running at 1010 meters per minute, took us from the 5th floor to the 89th floor in 37 seconds. And here's all we could see - clouds and mountains...simply amazing views:  

I would have originally been disappointed by the clouds, but man that is a surreal view. Cannot believe it is from a building!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
The boarding passes showed 10G and 10H instead of 8A and 8B. As I would find out later, there was a problem with one of the two originally reserved seats on the scheduled aircraft.

At least you didn't board the aircraft to find that you were sitting in a broken seat! That would have been horrible.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
No, slippers! Very surprising to find those on a 2 hour flight:

Very nice!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
The first disappointment was the main course presentation - and the second disappointment was the food quality.

I actually think the presentation looks alright. Obviously one can't tell the quality from pictures though!

Thanks for sharing!


User currently offlinetommy525 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (2 years 3 days ago) and read 14247 times:

Yes that aircraft is still undergoing repairs and not back in service yet it seems, as it is listed as "stored".

User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6903 posts, RR: 77
Reply 44, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 13398 times:

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 42):
Hey PH, great report!

Hi MHTripple7, thanks a lot for your feedback! Good to hear you enjoyed reading.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 42):
KE looks like they provide a solid product. Not great but definitely better than average.

Yes, solid product is an appropriate term.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 42):

I would have originally been disappointed by the clouds, but man that is a surreal view. Cannot believe it is from a building!

It's indeed a surreal view.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 42):
At least you didn't board the aircraft to find that you were sitting in a broken seat! That would have been horrible.

No doubt about that!

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 42):
Obviously one can't tell the quality from pictures though!

  

Quoting tommy525 (Reply 43):
Yes that aircraft is still undergoing repairs and not back in service yet it seems, as it is listed as "stored".

Thanks for the update! Do you know which routes it will operate initially?


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlinetommy525 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13169 times:

FAIK only Mandarin has the Ejets in Taiwan so far. And Mandarin currently flies only Ejets. They have 8 of them but one is damaged and undergoing repairs , as previously mentioned.

Their flights include:

Taichung RMQ to/from Hong Kong HKG China
to/from Kinmen KNH Taiwan
to/from Makung MZG Taiwan
to/from Nanchang KHN China
to/from HCM city SGN Vietnam
to/from Macau MFM China
to/from Zengzhou CGO China


Taipei Song Shan TSA to/from Taitung TTT Taiwan
to/from Kinmen KNH Taiwan
to/from Makung MZG Taiwan


Kaohsiung KHH to/from Chongqing CKG China
to/from Xiamen XMN China
to/from Hualien HUN Taiwan


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6903 posts, RR: 77
Reply 46, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12360 times:

Quoting tommy525 (Reply 45):
FAIK only Mandarin has the Ejets in Taiwan so far. And Mandarin currently flies only Ejets. They have 8 of them but one is damaged and undergoing repairs , as previously mentioned.

Their flights include:

Taichung RMQ to/from Hong Kong HKG China
to/from Kinmen KNH Taiwan
to/from Makung MZG Taiwan
to/from Nanchang KHN China
to/from HCM city SGN Vietnam
to/from Macau MFM China
to/from Zengzhou CGO China


Taipei Song Shan TSA to/from Taitung TTT Taiwan
to/from Kinmen KNH Taiwan
to/from Makung MZG Taiwan


Kaohsiung KHH to/from Chongqing CKG China
to/from Xiamen XMN China
to/from Hualien HUN Taiwan

Thanks, Roberto! But I think there was a misunderstanding. I was wondering where the new TransAsia A330 will be deployed initially.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlinetommy525 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12357 times:

I heard Singapore and some China destinations and Macau.

User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6903 posts, RR: 77
Reply 48, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11958 times:

Quoting tommy525 (Reply 47):
I heard Singapore and some China destinations and Macau.

Thanks! SIN-TPE would be a nice flight on that bird.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlinetommy525 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11542 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 48):

If you hurry you can make the inaugural flight on Dec 30th !!!

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2012/12/14/2003550075


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6903 posts, RR: 77
Reply 50, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10561 times:

Quoting tommy525 (Reply 49):

If you hurry you can make the inaugural flight on Dec 30th !!!

Thanks for the link! Impossible, unfortunately!


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
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