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Goose'n'Gander: To Goose Bay With AC Express  
User currently offlinepalmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1223 posts, RR: 17
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Goose Bay: where is that? Why Goose Bay? I was very much inspired by the trip report published by ghYHZ, see Air Labrador: Airport Hopping Along The Coast (by ghYHZ Nov 21 2010 in Trip Reports) covering a multi stop flight up along coastal Labrador with Air Labrador on the Twin Otter. I love the Twotter and had been looking for another flight to take on this increasingly rare but rugged little prop. So far, I only had British Airways/Loganair and Air Moorea in my log of Twotter flights. I was about to include Air Labrador to that list and to do that, I had to get to Goose Bay.

Also, Goose Bay (and also Gander) are both rich in aviation history - being the transatlantic stopover/transit points for airlines before the advent of longer range jet aircraft. I wanted to see what these places were like and see if there were any “ghosts of aviation past” still lingering in 2012.

When exploring flights to Goose Bay from St John’s, there were a couple of options. Air Canada Express could take me there via Gander, on a Beech 1900D, or Provincial Airlines (www.provincialairlines.com) could do the same, but via Deer Lake or St Anthony on a SF340. I had already made plans to fly with Provincial and as I only had one B1900D in my log, I decided to stick with Air Canada.

These would be my flights today:

Date: September 2012
Flight: Air Canada Express AC7617 opb Exploits Valley Air Service (EVAS Air)
From: St John’s Newfoundland (YYT) - Gander Newfoundland (YQX)
Aircraft: B1900D
Registration: C-GLHO
Seat: 3A, Economy Class

Date: September 2012
Flight: Air Canada Express AC7643 opb Exploits Valley Air Service (EVAS Air)
From: Gander Newfoundland (YQX) - Goose Bay Labrador (YYR)
Aircraft: B1900D
Registration: C-GAAT
Seat: 8B, Economy Class

And on the map (thanks to greatcircle mapper)


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Welcome to the second part of my Canada trip. The first part is here:

Terranova Transatlantic: AC A319 To St John's (by palmjet Oct 7 2012 in Trip Reports)

The soft dawn light greeted my last day in St John’s. The day looked to be sunny and clear – in fact, according to the forecasters the previous evening, Newfoundland would be experiencing 3 or 4 days of settled sunny weather which as we all know, makes for perfect flying.

Check out of my hotel was as stress free as check in, and I am soon in a taxi heading for the short 10 minute journey to YYT. Traffic is minimal at this time of the morning – just after 7am, and while I am exceedingly early for my flight to Gander, and onward to Goose Bay, it would give me a chance to explore the terminal and facilities at St John’s.

Goodbye St John’s - I really want to come back again someday. One last image, taken the day before.

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The view of the terminal building from the carpark in the early morning light

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St John’s is indeed an international airport

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For some unknown reason, I am able to check in online for these two flights today. Air Canada clearly don’t consider me to be security risk on either B1900D flight, so I am also free to also use the SSK at the terminal when I arrive. Not busy, but there are handfuls of people in the ground floor departures area checking in for flights – some for WestJet, others for Air Canada, while the Provincial Airlines counters were also doing brisk business.

Check in is painless, and extremely friendly from the lovely lady at Air Canada –well, this is St John’s after all. My bag is checked through to Goose Bay and I am allowed to take my rucksack and camera bag as carry on items without any problem.

Once all formalities are completed, I make my way around the ground floor for a bit of a wander. The interior is very nice – making use of lots of natural light so it feels airy and spacious.

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Surprisingly, I come across the sign directing me to an observation deck. Yay. This is worth exploring in more detail so I head up the escalator and follow the signs.



Sadly the observation area proves to be very small, with limited views through multi layers of glass. Bugger. A nice thought at least.

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I head back downstairs in search of sustenance, particularly coffee. Before arriving at the small foodcourt, I pass this work of art, from a local artist, originally hailing from Bulgaria. In fact, Newfoundland seems to have a strong Bulgarian connection. Not one I imagine existed. For instance, I stumbled into Bistro Sofia for lunch one day I was in St John’s which I really enjoyed, and the same day, went on a boat trip and was accompanied by a Bulgarian travelling party. Anyone with a theory on this – please let me know!



The statue remembers September 11, 2001 which I thought was poignant and moving.

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I then literally smell the coffee and gravitate toward to small line of people at Tim Horton’s. I am weary of coffee in North America – like in London, it can be very very hit and miss. There is nothing worse than incinerated coffee beans in the morning to make your day go south. Having had a couple of dodgy experiences with TH in Toronto years before, I select a sickenly sweet coffee in a bid to offset a predicted burnt coffee bean smell. Thankfully, the coffee and muffin turned out just right so that was a disaster well averted.

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Sitting opposite me is a gaggle of middle aged ladies bearing United boarding passes, so I assume they are off somewhere via Newark, which is linked to St John’s via United Express.

Breakfast done, I head off to departures and security – to see what’s airside.

Security is quick although I am slowed down somewhat when asked if I am carrying a thermos for some reason. I had to ask twice as I wasn’t sure what I was being asked at first. Newfoundlanders’ accents are nothing like the rest of Canada and my ear took a short time to adjust, but I still had to ask again. It seems that many people bring their own coffee with them... which I guess if they have sampled some of the burnt coffee on offer from some of the coffee chains here, I can understand why. Thankfully, no thermos for me, so I am through to airside with minimal mess and fuss.

It’s still a belts, watches off, ipad out etc affair.

Airside is busier with a few shops and another Tim Horton’s outlet. I decide to invest in buying lunch here to take with me – not knowing when and what I would eat next and whether Gander would have anything available. I am not due to arrive into Goose Bay until mid afternoon. A sandwich and drink, and a lot poorer later (I found food in Canada to be generally on the expensive side – even by London standards), I am all set.

I go and find my gate – which not surprisingly, is a remote non jetway gate. YYT only has a few jetbridges, but for the number of flights, this seems more than adequate. Looks good for an ontime departure to Gander according to the FIDS.

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I watch a bit of hoopla going on at the gate next to mine, as a Provincial Airlines flight to St Anthony and Goose Bay is cancelled. Passengers are being told that a different flight later in the day is being re-routed to accommodate them which, although inconvenient, reflects the agility that only a small airline possesses. I note Provincial Airlines has a small coffee and tea station (free) next to the gate area for passengers although it seems that anyone could help themselves whether they are flying with Provincial or not.

I spot this gorgeous EM190 which is heading to Halifax but is delayed. In the background are few classics – a couple of B727 freighters and US military DC9. Nice to see these birds still on the ground at an airport and not in the scrapyard for sure!

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The United Express flight to Newark is being called – a EM170 is operating that flight, but I can’t see the aircraft from the gate area. I think it’s parked at Gate 1 – the same gate I arrived at a few days earlier.

I take a seat and wait to see whether I can spot the first of my Beech 1900Ds for today. In luck, it soon turns up more or less on time, and heads out of sight to its parking position to the right of the terminal area.

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Here comes the Beech!

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Twenty minutes before our STD, and the first boarding call is made for AC7617 to Gander. WestJet decide to board their flight more or less at the same time so there’s quite a few passengers milling around now. No priority boarding announcement for us – it’s just a general boarding call. Given the light load, this seemed fine. Nobody seemed bothered either – everyone just ambles downstairs and follows the agent out on to the ramp (my favourite boarding experience)!



Hello small green prop plane – definitely one of the uglier commuter planes out there, but as I only have one other B1900D in my log, I am pleased to be adding to that total today. No problems taking pictures on the ramp - no overzealous ground staff yelling at passengers with garbled “security reasons” as an excuse - well it just wouldn’t be Newfoundland if they were!

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Closer up with the distinctive shape of the B1900D’s windows

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The pilot is greeting passengers as I board, and he immediately says hi and welcomes me aboard. Everyone looks very relaxed. The guy boarding behind me says to nobody in particular “This is the smallest aircraft I’ve ever been on!” as he steps aboard. I am already at my seat by this stage getting accustomed to my new surroundings for this short 35 minute hop to Gander. I count 6 passengers on the flight when the door is closed. Not a great load, but not unexpected for a Tuesday mid morning flight in the middle of September.

Peering out the window as the last of the passengers board. Unfortunately the windows are covered with a tinted film which makes pictures tricky. The Beech does not have window blinds so that probably explains it - but still, very annoying!

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The view from 3A - cabin is well used but clean

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This flight is operated as Air Canada Express by Exploits Valley Air Services or EVAS, which is based in Gander. It mainly operates B1900Ds on behalf of Air Canada in Newfoundland and Quebec. The EVAS company logo contains the green, white and pink colours of the Newfoundland flag – which is said to be one of the oldest flags in North America and certainly pre-dates the Stars and Stripes by a number of years!

FAREWELL TO ST JOHN’S (FOR NOW)

We get a personalised safety demo from the pilot himself including how to open the main passenger door in the event of an emergency. He also says that weatherwise, it’s a great day for flying. Disappearing into the cockpit which of course is sans cockpit door, means we all get a good view of what’s going on in the front.

The starboard prop is started, closely followed by the port one, and we start our taxi out. What’s that? A Canadian North 737 is arriving - did not see that coming..... I suspect it’s on a charter?

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We head for Runway 29 to take off into the west - the opposite runway from where I landed a few days previously. Passing the AC EM190 still at the gate.

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Checking wing surfaces

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There is no delay to our departure. We quickly gain speed as the props are fired up. As I am sitting close to the port one, I get the full prop experience - which is (nice) and loud. Today I really feel like I am flying!

Good bye St John’s

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We climb out quickly over the sparsely populated area west of the airport.

Boat or plane?

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INFLIGHT

The pilot was right - it is a great day for flying. There is absolutely no service onboard these Beech 1900Ds so the window view will have to do for entertainment (oh no, what a shame!) I love it. I don’t even bother to get out my music or book. I sit captivated - listening to the sound of the propellor roaring away next to me and watching the landscape below.

My window is very blotchy and scratched - EVAS, please clean your B1900D windows more frequently! I move to 4A which has a cleaner window. Not surprisingly, the view is pretty much the same. Loving the views of central Newfoundland as the flight progresses smoothly - no bumps at all so far.

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Yep, it’s a Beech alright - note Newfoundland flag and EVAS branding



Legroom is generous

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I spot an Air Canada historical wallchart in one of the seat pockets (see previous report) and grab it quickly for my collection. Sadly, only one to be found on this flight. Looks like they’ve been popular collectors items!

The views continue to impress over central/northern Newfoundland as we pass over the Terranova National Park and before long, we start our descent into Gander. A recorded message is played in English and then French to get ready for landing.

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GANDER ARRIVAL

We approach the airport from the east, with Gander Lake and the Trans Canada Highway on my side of the aircraft. Things start to get a bit bumpy as we slow and make our final approach.

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The landing is smooth however, and we zip over toward the terminal

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No other commercial aircraft on the ground at this time

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The terminal at Gander

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We pull up outside the arrivals area and the props are shut down. The co-pilot climbs through the cockpit and opens the passenger door, allowing us to deplane. I tell him how much I enjoyed the flight and he seems pleased and wishes me well as I head down the little airstairs in the Beech’s door. There are a couple of ground staff meeting the aircraft but there are no problems getting a picture of my ride sunning herself on the ramp, after a short hop from YYT.

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I thank the ground staff member who is waiting for me to go through the door - she says “sure, no problem” which again is so refreshingly different to what I am used to in Europe. I end up in the small but functional arrivals area - there is no transit lounge/area here from what I can tell. At least not for me.

Welcome to Gander - why thank you!

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I walk toward one of the FIDS to see if there are any issues with my next flight and am pleased to see it’s due to leave on time. It’s all Air Canada Jazz/Express territory here.

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The terminal is sparsely populated and the handful of people on my flight make their way out with friends and family having meeted and greeted. One other passenger and I seem to be the only passengers in the entire terminal for a short period of time. I make my way into the spacious, but dated departures area to take look around. I have plenty of time.

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The area is jam packed full of stories about transatlantic crossings made by those pioneering aviators and aviatrix’es all those years ago. It’s so great to see such detail at a commercial airport. There are also big murals on the walls capturing scenes from days gone by when Gander was extensively used as a refueling point for transatlantic flights.



The airport is definitely reflective of a bygone period. While it has regular connections offered by Air Canada today, the airport design and interior screams “retro”, which is actually quite a contrast from the modern terminal back at St John’s. I spend a good amount of time reading all the bits and pieces about Gander’s past as a few more people start to trickle into the terminal.

Within a few years after the airport officially opened, it had four runways and was the largest airport in the world which is amazing to think now.

Hello Gander

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GANDER’S AVIATION HISTORY

I was interested to read that the airport’s location was sufficiently close to Europe to allow the piston-engined planes of the 1940s to make a non-refueled transatlantic flight, and the same qualities made it ideal for the fuel-inefficient jet aircraft of the early post-war decades. The airport grew in importance during the Jet Age, as it was situated almost precisely on the great circle route between the major cities of the U.S. East Coast and London. Consequently, early jet aircraft of airlines such as Trans-Canada Air Lines, British Overseas Airways Corporation, and Pan Am made Gander their main refueling point.

Having said that, El Al was famous for its “No Goose, No Gander” adverts when it introduced Bristol Britannias on flights from North America to Israel - as the aircraft had the range to cross the Atlantic and avoid the stops at Gander and Goose Bay.



Sadly for Gander, with the advent of jet aircraft with extended ranges in the 1960s, the need for a refueling point ceased on most flights. Gander has steadily decreased in importance since then, but it remains the home of Gander Control, one of the two air traffic controls (the other being Shanwick Oceanic Control in western Ireland) which direct the high-level airways of the North Atlantic. Every plane travelling to and from Europe or North America must talk to either or both of these air traffic controls (ATC). Gander is also commonly used as a stopover for ferry flights, even today as well as medical diversions. You never know what’s going to be on the ground there at any time although these days, it seems like the airport is very quiet in terms of regular commercial traffic.

During the Cold War, Gander was also notable for the number of persons from the former Warsaw Pact nations who defected there (including Soviet concert pianist Igor Vasilyevich Ivanov, Cuban Olympic swimmer Rafael Polinario and the Vietnamese woman famously photographed fleeing a napalmed village, Phan Thị Kim Phúc). It was one of the few refueling points where airplanes could stop en route from eastern Europe or the Soviet Union to Cuba. After reading this, I spotted a large Sunwing advert for seasonal flights from Gander to Cuba!

In 1985, Gander was the scene of a terrible aviation disaster - the crash of an Arrow Air DC-8 in December of that year. The aircraft stalled on take off from Gander’s North-South runway in a doomed, pre-dawn takeoff, and plunged into trees below. The crash remains controversial - despite official reports, there are still doubts about what brought the plane down - some say it was a malfunctioning engine, ice on the wings, overloaded aircraft, and some maintain sabotage. On board were 256 people, mostly US servicemen returning home from assignment in Egypt. There were no survivors and it remains one of the deadliest air crashes in North America. Sobering thoughts for me, as I take a moment to think about what happened and all those who perished.

Of course, Gander is also remembered in more recent history as being one of the places where many transatlantic flights were diverted to on 9 -11. As many know, Lufthansa also later christened one of its aircraft “Gander/Halifax” to remember the kindness shown by locals who assisted the stranded passengers on that terrible day. Of course, I am not surprised - I’ve been the recipient of many acts of kindness since arriving in Newfoundland.

On 9-11, Gander International played host to 39 airliners, totaling 6,122 passengers and 473 crew and the airport received more flights than any other Canadian airport involved in the operation apart from Halifax.

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There are also lots of plaques around the terminal

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I see a sign which makes me do a double take - but given the terminal’s vintage, I guess it’s not surprising. I wonder if it’s still open?

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Only one way to find out.... start exploring! This is what I find.

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Nice! If only there was something to watch. Sadly all I spot is the Gander Airport sign

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and not much else.

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I make my way back downstairs, where I grab a drink, have my lunch and surf the net for a bit. Wifi is again free here as it is at St John’s - unrestricted. Hear that London Airports!



I get a bit restless and later go for a wander outside - why not, as the weather is so nice. Not much to see however, but here’s the view of the terminal from the approach road. Departures and arrivals are both on the same level.

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There is a cafe landside and a well stocked shop for gifts. I pick up a couple of postcards for my collection and chat to the nice lady behind the counter for a bit. Things are pretty quiet for her today as I am the only passenger browsing.

Being so quiet, and with so few people around, I am reminded of a statement made by an airline pilot, travel columnist and author, Patrick Smith who laments the decline of a once great transit point, and describes Gander from a different perspective - perhaps influenced by the changeable winter weather that hits this part of the world:

“Gander’s isolation feels fossilized in the meaningless jumble of its airport identifer: CYQX, the letters clattering like blocks of ice. Cold, empty, forgotten. If there is a sub-zero equivalent of tumbleweeds, they are rolling across the apron at Gander...”

Thankfully my visit did not co-incide with ice or sub zero temperatures, but I could understand the sentiment, even on this gloriously sunny autumn day.

An hour or so before departure and I decide to see if I can go airside - security looks like they are letting people go through so I head over and am welcome to go through. No beeps or buzzer goes off and I am through. They want to check my boarding pass and passport to ensure I am in the right place and the guy checking me has a puzzled look on his face for a couple of seconds - not recognising my Australian passport and initially thinking it was some kind of mutant Canadian version (as both passports are the same colour). We have a friendly chat about why an Aussie is all the way over here in Gander and I am allowed to head to my gate.

There are a few people milling about - although most of them I later find out are waiting for the Air Canada CRJ200 to take them to Halifax, NS. It looks like a vast area of the terminal isn’t even used these days from where I am sitting.

I get a great side of view of my next Beech, and thankfully, it’s a different aircraft to the one earlier today. This time, C-GAAT will take me up to Labrador.

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The very retro gate area, with our Beech sunning itself outside. No activity yet - it’s still too early to start preparing the aircraft.

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I don’t wait very long - and in the meantime, am suitably entertained by a woman passenger who seems transfixed on trying to get the vending machine to accept her loonies or toonies. The gate area fills up while our ground agent turns up and starts getting ready to board our flight. There is activity outside now too and I see my bag being loaded on the aircraft - always a good sign!

LEAVING GANDER

We are called for the flight to Goose Bay, which then goes on to Wabush/Labrador City, but only a handful of passengers get up.

I am out onto the ramp quick smart and manage to get another snap of our aircraft in better light and sans window glass.

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Similar routine to when I boarded earlier today in St John’s. This time a welcome from the co-pilot. We have a grand total of 6 passengers onboard when the door is closed. The guy sitting opposite me and in the row in front, decides to increase his leg room by pushing the seat in front forward. Looks very Tupolev-esque perhaps?

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The view from 8B while my fellow passengers are boarding

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Seat pitch is again good with a copy of EnRoute in every seatback

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The front door is closed and manual safety demonstration complete, I hear the props firing up and we make our way out to the runway. No other aircraft are moving - it’s just us. It feels like we have the whole airport and all the runways to ourselves.

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I’d forgotten that these 1900Ds have lavatorial facilities onboard at the rear of the aircraft - Jonas you would have been impressed. I remember my CO Express B1900D flight from TPA a couple of years ago for the reason that there were no such facilities on that aircraft and passengers were advised while at the gate to use the facilities because there were none onboard!



I guess it makes sense - this sector from Gander to Goose Bay would be a hefty 1 hour 40 mins, which in a B1900D, is a long flight in anyone’s language. I vowed to investigate the lavatorial facilities later on in the flight - even just to satisfy my own curiosity, and that of the a.net trip reporter community!

We depart from the same runway we landed on earlier in the day, and after a spritely take off, we are on our way north to the Big Land - Labrador. Needless to say, I am very excited at this point.

Goodbye to Newfoundland soil for a bit - our shadow gets smaller

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and smaller

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ENROUTE

The views of Newfoundland continue to amaze and I am once again glued to the window - which thankfully is much cleaner and easier to take pictures from. I also don’t have the prop in the way this time round, so I get a different perspective.

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Again, no service on this flight and no flight attendant - it’s just you, yourself, the sounds of the props and your fellow passengers. Flying conditions continue to be calm so we make good progress with few bumps enroute.

My seat colleague across from me spends much of this flight in a flat bed style position. I continue to peer out of the window. There’s no sign of autumn down there... yet


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Close up shot of the seat in front.

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As I am in the second last row, about half way through the flight, I head back to check out the lavatory - which turns out to be... interesting. Firstly, the door won’t shut properly or lock - great going if you really needed to go. Inside reminds me of one of those campsite public toilets - not overly hygenic and very basic! I am sure it would have been fine though if you could find some way of securing the door!

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Not as bad as the lav which Alex posted on one of his Russian trips on the Antonov, but not far off - yuk!

I stumble back out of the confined space and retreat to my seat, curiosity satisfied and thankful I did not need to go. Views are still great - as we leave Newfoundland


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And cross the Labrador Sea and into Labrador


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The views of Labrador from my window show wide open spaces - lots of water features and lakes, a handful of roads and hardly any signs of human habitation. It certainly feels like the Big Land from here.

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GOOSE BAY ARRIVAL

The flight comes to an end surprisingly quickly - it’s amazing how time can fly when you’re having fun on a B1900D! We receive a recorded message telling us how to prepare for landing, and the aircraft starts its descent into Goose Bay.

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I see very little evidence of any towns or houses until we get very close to Goose Bay airport. The approach is very scenic though - lots of water and trees! Lake Melville is off to our left as we get closer.

Passing over residential Goose Bay and being buffeted a bit by the wind

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We then make a sharp left turn to align with the airport’s northern runway - gear now down too.

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Passing over the Hamilton River Road just before entering airport property

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and we touch down smoothly with rapid breaking action following

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Our taxi to the terminal is relatively short, and my first view is of a US Airways Express SF340! Hmm, that’s weird. On closer inspection, I see that it’s actually being operated by Provincial Airlines and has a C-registration so it looks like a new addition to the Provincial fleet - no time to repaint yet? Still seems strange seeing a US Airways Saab so far north.

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We pull onto our stand, and soon the door is popped open to allow us to leave. I have a quick chat with the co-pilot and say how much I enjoyed this flight - the longest Beech 1900D flight I am ever likely to take. He wishes me well and I am walking on the tarmac toward the arrivals door. I turn to take a quick snap of our aircraft, which is quickly being refueled for the next sector to Wabush.

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No problems taking pictures (again) and I thank the gate agent for holding the door open for me. I now find myself inside the compact, but very modern terminal right next to the single baggage reclaim belt. Through the window, I catch another shot of the Provincial SF340 before grabbing my suitcase, which is already out. I love small airports!

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I have now arrived in Labrador. Another new place for my log, and more flights to come. I make my way outside, where it is distinctively chillier than in Newfoundland - and I also adjust my watch, as there is a time zone change. Finding a taxi, I ask to be taken to the Hotel North - which by all accounts, should only be a short taxi ride away.

My first impression is that it feels like a colder version of the wild west - not helped by my first impressions of the Hotel North. Looks like a big shed!

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However, my first impressions were way off. After a friendly check in, I get to my room, which is spacious, clean and has its own kitchen. I feel I am going to be quite happy here for 2 nights.

On the eve of my Twin Otter flights, I go for a walk after dinner. The light is beautiful and so peaceful. I make my way along a walkway and take in the dusk air.

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and Air Canada Express

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I hear the distinct sound of a Twin Otter climbing high above me, as it heads away from the airport. A good sign for tomorrow!

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It’s been a great day of flying, and as the sun sets, I head back to my room, as I have a very early start tomorrow morning.

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Goodnight Goose Bay!


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WRAP UP

Today’s flights were a lot of fun. I was fortunate to be able to add two new B1900Ds to my log and enjoyed some amazing scenery enroute. No onboard service or fancy airline meals - but it felt like a real flying experience. I was pleased to be able to see Gander with all its aviation history and pay homage to those pioneers who risked life and limb to make transatlantic flying the almost routine “bus service” that it has become today.

Air Canada Express were exactly as you would expect on these routes - the crews were very relaxed and friendly and made everyone feel at ease. I’d do these flights again in a heartbeat.

Thanks for getting this far. The next part of this series is intended to cover my Twin Otter flight to Nain, Labrador - outbound with Air Labrador, and the return with Innu Mikun Airlines (Provincial Airlines).

Please feel free to leave a comment.

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Going Retro, Chasing The Sun: BA B763 To Cyprus (by palmjet May 21 2012 in Trip Reports)

1 Long Day, 3 Short Virgins: Virgin's New ATR72 (by palmjet Feb 9 2012 in Trip Reports)

The Reindeer Route To Australia In J (by palmjet Dec 15 2011 in Trip Reports)

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User currently offlineont2cgi From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13119 times:

Nice TR! Love your tagline- my fiorst flight was on OZ STL-DFW.

User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5124 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12774 times:

Good to see the continued reports. I really must go to NF sometime soon. It is just so far (and expensive) to get to! Thanks for sharing. Looking forward to the next installment.

Saludos,
A.



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User currently offlineMH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1692 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12505 times:

Absolutely great TR !!!

The 1900D is still on my list of aircraft 'to do' too...

You don't see many reports out of this part of the world/Canada, so it makes it even more interesting...

Would be nice to do this in September when all the trees change colour  

Thanks for sharing !!!

MH017/Pieter...



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User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3311 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 12406 times:

Very nice continuation! Great photos from somewhere very scenic!

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
The guy boarding behind me says to nobody in particular “This is the smallest aircraft I’ve ever been on!”

Ha, I love hearing people that know nothing about aviation talk about planes!

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
The guy sitting opposite me and in the row in front, decides to increase his leg room by pushing the seat in front forward. Looks very Tupolev-esque perhaps?

Ooh, great idea. I guess he's a regular onboard to know this trick?



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User currently offlineSRQKEF From Iceland, joined Jun 2011, 886 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12228 times:

Hi James,

Great report! Labrador seems very isolated and the people there seem to be fantastic. Hopefully I'll get a chance to get there someday!

regards and looking forward for the next part,
Sveinn  



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User currently offlineflightsimboy From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1295 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12166 times:
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It is nice to see the insides of this bird (and I don't mean the Gander) lol... Seen these come in to land tons of times at Pearson while spotting but it gives a whole new perspective when seeing the views from the inside.

Really enjoying all these reports from Eastern Canada.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27118 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11989 times:

Wow James great report and lovely photos!

Really enjoyed it and really looking forward to the next part.

Regards

Philip  


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7213 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11912 times:

Awesome report. Enjoyed the pictures a lot. How was the sound on the 1900?

Looking forward to the next ones.



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User currently offline767747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1951 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11753 times:
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Another great report, Palmjet! What a great day of flying it looks like!

I flew on a Beech 1900D between MKE-MKG back in 2006, and I really enjoyed it. It's definitely an experience! No flight attendant, no service, just you and a window!

Best,

Matthew


User currently offlinesultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1746 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11582 times:
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Hi palmjet,

Another exquisite episode of your 'to Canada!' tale. Flying within Canada and certainly into these secondary airports seems so nice and relaxed. And for the Beech, what a cute little bugger - if ugly, yes! You certainly haven't lost your soft spot for small props, but aren't they getting smaller and smaller (Dash - ATR - Beech - ...?)   Beautiful photography and narrative as well, it was a joy to read and watch!

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
St John%u2019s is indeed an international airport

International like for 'northern American' destinations? Isn't the only European route the one to LHR?

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
Sadly the observation area proves to be very small, with limited views through multi layers of glass. Bugger. A nice thought at least.

That place certainly doesn't deserve the name 'observation deck'!

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
and my ear took a short time to adjust

Ha ha, is that an Aussie expression  

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
Here comes the Beech

Great shot of that little bugger. It looks a bit like a nasty mosquito.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
cabin is well used but clean

Your pics make the cabin feel quite big but I assume it is even smaller than a rabbit's hole?

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
My window is very blotchy and scratched

Where? Don't see it in the photo's though.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
We receive a recorded message telling us how to prepare for landing, and the aircraft starts its descent into Goose Bay.

Did everyone oblige to the message, also the guy in his fully flat bed because I don't think one of the pilots came out to check if the cabin was secured for landing.

Sultanils



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User currently offlinevsmike From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 318 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 11378 times:

Great TR, but I'm left struggling to reconcile a few things:

1. What's the point in operating aircraft on these routes? Surely a dog sled would suffice, eh?

2. Bulgarians in far northern Outpostal-Canada? Seems... impractical, by design. Were you able to source a morning "banitza" there? I'm going to think not. Me thinks the Canadians, with their floppy heads, are trying to throw someone off their tails by posing as Bulgarians. Honestly, other than the Turks a few thousand years ago, who attacks Bulgaria (-ians)?

3. You seem unusually obsessed with the Crapper John on the B1900D? Eau du Poo Poo? A little rectile obsessive, eh?!

4. Timmy's coffee is a cuppa heaven. Don't ever bash it publicly!! I was recently introduced to THs coffee on a recent trip to DTW (the one made by car with a clinical tardchild, whom I've diagnosed with Yonathienne's Disease. It's actually quite rare, and is brain-degenerative from birth. Pity). I drank at least 3 cups a day, and even drove across the country border to get a fresh, local cup, despite my generalized objections to the Franco-Canadian culture. Yes, I needed a passport to get coffee. Whilst there, I also pee'd in their toilets... like marking my territory. So it wasn't a wasted trip at all.

5. Whale blubber. That's all.


Best,

-VSM



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User currently offlineCARST From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 822 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 11173 times:

Great repport, great photos, Newfoundland and Labrador are looking wonderful, keep going!


Carsten


User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5055 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11062 times:

Quoting vsmike (Reply 11):
1. What's the point in operating aircraft on these routes? Surely a dog sled would suffice, eh?

Many years ago, when we operated B737 Combis up there, I used to work a pairing that was VERY junior, and as I was bottom Captain, guys would bid reserve over flying this trip. The middle day was YYT-YQX-YDF-YYR-YWK-YYR-YDF-YYT ... seven legs!

The aircraft was configured for 60Y + 3 cargo pallets. Often we were at MTOW (limited by the landing due to the short legs) at almost every station. In those days, we were the only game in town. Today, I see a mixture of many airplanes and many airlines .... so I guess the demand is still there.

Great Trip Report, btw, beautiful area to explore.



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User currently offlineroberts87 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2011, 999 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 11021 times:

Excellent report! What a great way to experience these two unique airpots!

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
Goodbye St John’s - I really want to come back again someday. One last image, taken the day before.

Wow, I can imagine you want come back. I want to go too!


User currently offlinejwhite9185 From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 1341 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10775 times:

Nice continuation of your report there. Interesting to see a couple of uncommon airports and types there. The scenery in that part of the world looks stunning - I can see what you chose to go there!


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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6596 posts, RR: 55
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10532 times:

Hi Palmjet!

Thanks for another great report with great pictures !

Nice to see flights in such a remote part of North Americaa nowadays but which was so well-known in the past because of the stopovers.

Looking forward to the next part!

The777Man



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User currently offlineMSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2474 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 days ago) and read 10463 times:

Hey Palmjet

Interesting report, thanks for sharing it with us
Nice to see some off the beaten path stuff, AC Jazz looks basic but great. As it goes for YQX as well.
The Beach looks very interesting, rare catch!

Looking forward to the next

Marc



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User currently offlineWidebodyroga From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 613 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10390 times:

Hey palmjet! Finally I got down to read the second installment of your Canadian adventure. First let me comment on the great photos you managed to shoot, and especially those of the lovely landscapes from aboard the Beechcraft. This is such a beautiful part of the world.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
Goodbye St John’s - I really want to come back again someday. One last image, taken the day before.

It looks very scandinavian in this photo. What a lovely place.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
In fact, Newfoundland seems to have a strong Bulgarian connection. Not one I imagine existed.

Even after all these years I still can't quite figure out my compatriots. Why on earth would they go to Newfoundland in such numbers? Did a rumor go around that rakya is cheap over there? One can only guess.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
Sadly the observation area proves to be very small, with limited views through multi layers of glass. Bugger. A nice thought at least.

What genius came up with this configuration? Holy hell, that has to be the worse observation deck ever. I'm starting to suspect the architect was also Bulgarian.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
Here comes the Beech!

Many would agree with me that this is one ugly Beech.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
Within a few years after the airport officially opened, it had four runways and was the largest airport in the world which is amazing to think now.

Who would have thought? Thanks for this and all the other very interesting facts about the airport. Fascinating!

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
and not much else.

It reminds me of Decatur Airport (DEC) where the views to the apron are absolutely great yet there is not a single aircraft to look at!


Now bring on the Otter!

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User currently onlineghYHZ From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10105 times:

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
Goose Bay: where is that? Why Goose Bay? I was very much inspired by the trip report published by ghYHZ, see Air Labrador: Airport Hopping Along The Coast (by ghYHZ Nov 21 2010 in Trip Reports) covering a multi stop flight up along coastal Labrador with Air Labrador on the Twin Otter. I love the Twotter and had been looking for another flight to take on this increasingly rare but rugged little prop. So far, I only had British Airways/Loganair and Air Moorea in my log of Twotter flights. I was about to include Air Labrador to that list and to do that, I had to get to Goose Bay.

Hi palmjet……really looking forward to the continuation of your Trip Report up to Nain and thanks for posting the link to my report as an inspiration for yours!

At least once a year I’m in Newfoundland or Labrador for work at First Nation Communities and this year we almost crossed paths…….missed you by one day or I would have been one of those in the departure lounge at Gander waiting for the CRJ200 over to YHZ!

Next year……it’s back to Goose Bay and “Airport Hopping” along the coast again on Air Labrador to Natuashish.

Ah….the Hotel North! I’ve stayed there a few times now and had a similar impression the first time but that certainly changed fast…..just a great little hotel to hang your hat at for a few days and did you get to try the seafood buffet at the Mariner Restaurant next door? Excellent along with typical Labrador Hospitality!

When out for a run in the evenings, I’ve had pretty good luck spotting at Goose Bay (more so than Gander) and a “real” US Airways aircraft for me there, an A330 in for fuel…..also AA, Monarch and a big Antonov once……pulse the usual Twotter comings and goings!

Again, thanks for posting!

Gary ghYHZ


User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9792 times:

Hello Palmjet!

Another nice installment of your Canada trip!
Glad to see you flew two B1900D's. We had one of those flying from ARN to a couple of rural towns in the Dalarna part of Sweden, but a year or so ago it was replaced by a J31 if I remember correctly, so I think the easiest way for me to log one of those birds today would be to head down to Portugal!
It does look like an interesting machine though, and thanks for including a lavatory picture!  
This part of Canada looks beautiful, reminds me of my three years spent in northern Sweden.

Martin


User currently offlineCaptainRed From Germany, joined Oct 2010, 698 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9609 times:

Hi Palmjet,

another lovely report here about this interesting part of the world. Great pictures as well. Good idea to to do some flights to these airports who have been so important in the history of aviation. And of course great to do so in a Beech 1900D, it is such an ugly little plane, but for sure a great experience to fly in, especially on such a rather long sector.

Greetings
CaptainRed


User currently offlinepalmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1223 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9561 times:

Hi All

Thanks so much for all your comments. I will try and respond to a selection of comments/questions as there seems to be lots of interest in flights to this part of the world!

Hey Carsten/Marc/Martin/CaptainRed - thank you! Glad you enjoyed. It must be one of the longer sectors out there for the B1900D. 1 hour 40 was certainly long enough! The lavatory shot took some taking....!

MKG - you crack me up. Clearly you've been watching too much Propecia on TV....

Hi Gary

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Hi palmjet……really looking forward to the continuation of your Trip Report up to Nain and thanks for posting the link to my report as an inspiration for yours!

At least once a year I’m in Newfoundland or Labrador for work at First Nation Communities and this year we almost crossed paths…….missed you by one day or I would have been one of those in the departure lounge at Gander waiting for the CRJ200 over to YHZ!

Next year……it’s back to Goose Bay and “Airport Hopping” along the coast again on Air Labrador to Natuashish.

Ah….the Hotel North! I’ve stayed there a few times now and had a similar impression the first time but that certainly changed fast…..just a great little hotel to hang your hat at for a few days and did you get to try the seafood buffet at the Mariner Restaurant next door? Excellent along with typical Labrador Hospitality!

When out for a run in the evenings, I’ve had pretty good luck spotting at Goose Bay (more so than Gander) and a “real” US Airways aircraft for me there, an A330 in for fuel…..also AA, Monarch and a big Antonov once……pulse the usual Twotter comings and goings!

Thanks for your comments. It was great to read your report last year. I envy you being able to travel to this beautiful part of the world frequently. I was actually back at Gander on the Thursday, so I missed you by a day on either side by the sound of it! I did not try the seafood buffet at the Mariner but I had two very hearty breakfasts there and the service and food was great. It seemed to be a popular place - always busy!

Unfortunately, I never saw any unscheduled stopovers at Goose Bay - the airport was pretty quiet with just the usual commuters coming and going, and the odd Air Canada Express B1900D and CRJ200!

Hi WBR

Quote:
Hey palmjet! Finally I got down to read the second installment of your Canadian adventure. First let me comment on the great photos you managed to shoot, and especially those of the lovely landscapes from aboard the Beechcraft. This is such a beautiful part of the world.

Totally agree! Thanks for your comments. Glad you enjoyed.

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It looks very scandinavian in this photo. What a lovely place.

I want to go back!

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Even after all these years I still can't quite figure out my compatriots. Why on earth would they go to Newfoundland in such numbers? Did a rumor go around that rakya is cheap over there? One can only guess.

No idea! Very odd but strangely comforting...

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What genius came up with this configuration? Holy hell, that has to be the worse observation deck ever. I'm starting to suspect the architect was also Bulgarian.

 
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It reminds me of Decatur Airport (DEC) where the views to the apron are absolutely great yet there is not a single aircraft to look at!

I remember that report well. I would still love to do that flight down to STL from ORD at some point!

Thanks again - next instalment coming soon.

Hey J

Quote:
Nice continuation of your report there. Interesting to see a couple of uncommon airports and types there. The scenery in that part of the world looks stunning - I can see what you chose to go there!

Thanks for your comments. The scenery is amazing in that part of the world. Great if you love photography!

Hi The777Man

Quote:
Thanks for another great report with great pictures !

Nice to see flights in such a remote part of North Americaa nowadays but which was so well-known in the past because of the stopovers.

Looking forward to the next part!

Thanks for your comments. Yes, it is quite a contrast from days gone by when these places were very busy stopover places. Glad you enjoyed!

Hi Sveinn

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Great report! Labrador seems very isolated and the people there seem to be fantastic. Hopefully I'll get a chance to get there someday!

regards and looking forward for the next part

Thank you for your comments. Glad you enjoyed the report. Labrador did feel like the wild west at times, but I really enjoyed the sense of space and how clean and fresh the air was. It was stunning. Hope you can get there too!

Hi flightsimboy

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It is nice to see the insides of this bird (and I don't mean the Gander) lol... Seen these come in to land tons of times at Pearson while spotting but it gives a whole new perspective when seeing the views from the inside.

Really enjoying all these reports from Eastern Canada.

Thanks very much - the Beeches did seem to be common in Canada for sure - I saw gaggles of them in Halifax and Toronto as well. Glad you enjoyed.

Hi Philip

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Wow James great report and lovely photos!

Really enjoyed it and really looking forward to the next part.

Thanks for your comments - glad you enjoyed. Hopefully the next instalment coming up soon.

Hi flymia

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Awesome report. Enjoyed the pictures a lot. How was the sound on the 1900?

Looking forward to the next ones.

Thanks! The 1900D was surprisingly manageable on the ears. It was no louder than on other props I have been on. Being in the second last row on the second sector meant I was well aft of the propeller and it was fine. My ears weren't ringing when we got to Goose Bay in any case!

Hi Matthew

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Another great report, Palmjet! What a great day of flying it looks like!

I flew on a Beech 1900D between MKE-MKG back in 2006, and I really enjoyed it. It's definitely an experience! No flight attendant, no service, just you and a window!

Flying how it can be! Thanks for your comments. Beech 1900Ds are certainly pretty rare these days in Europe. You describe it perfectly - no service, just you and a window

Hi Nils

Quote:
Another exquisite episode of your 'to Canada!' tale. Flying within Canada and certainly into these secondary airports seems so nice and relaxed. And for the Beech, what a cute little bugger - if ugly, yes! You certainly haven't lost your soft spot for small props, but aren't they getting smaller and smaller (Dash - ATR - Beech - ...?) Beautiful photography and narrative as well, it was a joy to read and watch!

Thanks for your comments. Yes, an ugly looking aircraft on the outside but surprisingly comfortable on the inside. Plenty of room and no, still going strong on the small props. They are indeed getting smaller and on this trip, they got smaller still! Stand by for further instalments..

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International like for 'northern American' destinations? Isn't the only European route the one to LHR?

Ha! I believe so. LHR is the only scheduled European destination from memory.

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That place certainly doesn't deserve the name 'observation deck'!

Tell me about it - what a let down! The intention was there I guess.

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Great shot of that little bugger. It looks a bit like a nasty mosquito.

Great description!

Hi ont2cgi

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Nice TR! Love your tagline- my fiorst flight was on OZ STL-DFW.

Thanks! I never got to fly with OZ but loved the style and their brand. Shame they are no longer around!

Hi abrelosojos

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Good to see the continued reports. I really must go to NF sometime soon. It is just so far (and expensive) to get to! Thanks for sharing. Looking forward to the next installment.

Many thanks! Yes, I can highly recommend it, although you did pretty well covering most of northern Canada this year!

Hi MH017

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Absolutely great TR !!!

The 1900D is still on my list of aircraft 'to do' too...

You don't see many reports out of this part of the world/Canada, so it makes it even more interesting...

Would be nice to do this in September when all the trees change colour

Thanks for sharing !!!

Thank you. Glad you enjoyed. The trees were just starting to change colour in some parts of Eastern Canada when I was there. It's such a nice time of the year generally....Hope you get on a B1900D soon. Seems like they will be around in Canada for a while yet.

Hi Gabe

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Very nice continuation! Great photos from somewhere very scenic!

Thanks for your comments. This part of Canada is certainly scenic. Glad you enjoyed.

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Ooh, great idea. I guess he's a regular onboard to know this trick?

Oh yes, he seemed like a consumate expert at this. He was already in full recline position as soon as possible.

Hi longhauler

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Many years ago, when we operated B737 Combis up there, I used to work a pairing that was VERY junior, and as I was bottom Captain, guys would bid reserve over flying this trip. The middle day was YYT-YQX-YDF-YYR-YWK-YYR-YDF-YYT ... seven legs!

The aircraft was configured for 60Y + 3 cargo pallets. Often we were at MTOW (limited by the landing due to the short legs) at almost every station. In those days, we were the only game in town. Today, I see a mixture of many airplanes and many airlines .... so I guess the demand is still there.

Great Trip Report, btw, beautiful area to explore.

Thanks again for your comments. Amazing to think there were 737s plying these routes in times past. There seems to be quite a range of choices for passengers today although the aircraft are a lot smaller and most have props rather than P&Ws!



Thanks all again - hopefully I can get the next instalment up soon.



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User currently offlineadamspotter From Netherlands, joined Feb 2011, 1168 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (1 year 12 months 15 hours ago) and read 9464 times:
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Hi James,

Another great, entertaining and informative report with many many nice pictures, really enjoyed it, thanks!
Although the interior looks a bit worn and the plane just looks ugly it must have felt great to fly the Beech twice, you're pictures sure show it!
Gander sure is an interesting airport with lots of history, shame it is so quiet nowadays!
Gotta love the Canadian friendliness and hospitality  

Looking forward to part 3!

cheers,

Brendan


User currently offlinepalmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1223 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (1 year 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 9379 times:

Hi Brendan

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Another great, entertaining and informative report with many many nice pictures, really enjoyed it, thanks!
Although the interior looks a bit worn and the plane just looks ugly it must have felt great to fly the Beech twice, you're pictures sure show it!
Gander sure is an interesting airport with lots of history, shame it is so quiet nowadays!
Gotta love the Canadian friendliness and hospitality

Thanks for your comments. Glad you enjoyed. Yes, a very friendly part of the world for sure - which I am sure you found when you were in Canada this year too?! Gander is almost like a museum these days - I noticed that vast spaces of the terminal itself seem to be closed off and are not used (well not regularly by the look of it). Nearly all scheduled flights are domestic -with the odd charter flight to Mexico or Cuba, so I wonder whether other parts of the terminal are ever used these days. I can only imagine what it looked like on 9-11.

The Beech(es) were fun - yes, well worn but comfortable!

Cheers Palmjet



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User currently offlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 25, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8874 times:

Hi Palmjet,

Beautiful report, as usual, and as good an inducement to visit those places as you'll find. I read the first instalment, but obviously didn't click on the submit button, silly me. My brother in law just returned from Canada and raved about it (and Air Canada) in comparison to the US.

Those Beeches certainly look a bit grubby - thought they were flying in pristine environments!  

I enjoyed being reminded what their interiors look like as the only time I've flown that model was in pre-airfan days between Brisbane and Hervey Bay.



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User currently offlineinfodesk From Switzerland, joined May 2006, 1461 posts, RR: 33
Reply 26, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8820 times:

Hi Palmjet,

Thanks for another super installment of your Canadian adventure. I thoroughly enjoyed it. The landscape shots taken from your flights are just stunning – so much untouched land, something we can only dream of in many parts of Europe now.

Great to see the contrast between the airports of YYT & YQX, old and new, historic and modern. What a history Gander has. Do they still have international flights from there?

Congrats on the Beech, something totally missing from my log (that toilet looks pretty nasty!).

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
Goodbye St John’s - I really want to come back again someday. One last image, taken the day before.

Beautiful photo, it shows the arctic feel to the place that I remember from your first report.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
Here comes the Beech!

Ugly? I think it’s pretty cute!

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
The guy sitting opposite me and in the row in front, decides to increase his leg room by pushing the seat in front forward. Looks very Tupolev-esque perhaps?

Haha, try that on most planes and you’d break the seat!

Happy flying
Infodesk   



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User currently offlinepalmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1223 posts, RR: 17
Reply 27, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8812 times:

Hi Allrite

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Beautiful report, as usual, and as good an inducement to visit those places as you'll find. I read the first instalment, but obviously didn't click on the submit button, silly me. My brother in law just returned from Canada and raved about it (and Air Canada) in comparison to the US.

Thanks for your comments - no worries re the first instalment. I found Air Canada to offer a good standard of service. There are certainly a lot of carriers out there who are a lot worse (from my experience) and I would never hesitate about flying with them.

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Those Beeches certainly look a bit grubby - thought they were flying in pristine environments!

Yes - hard working Beeches for sure!

Hi Hannah

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Thanks for another super installment of your Canadian adventure. I thoroughly enjoyed it. The landscape shots taken from your flights are just stunning – so much untouched land, something we can only dream of in many parts of Europe now.

Thanks very much. I loved the landscapes there. So much space and as you say, untouched. It's such a breath of fresh air (literally) from being in London.

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Great to see the contrast between the airports of YYT & YQX, old and new, historic and modern. What a history Gander has. Do they still have international flights from there?

I believe the only international flights from Gander are now the odd charter flight to Cuba, Mexico and other parts of that region. I saw an advert for summer flights to Cuba but not much else evidence of anything more regular. I know they still get a lot of refueling flights and diverts but that's all very ad hoc.

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Congrats on the Beech, something totally missing from my log (that toilet looks pretty nasty!).

It was indeed nasty! Hopefully you can tick the Beech off soon ? There are still a few chances here in Europe.

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Ugly? I think it’s pretty cute!

Beauty in the eye of the beholder?  
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Haha, try that on most planes and you’d break the seat!

It would be great if they offered such functionality on 737s etc?!

Thanks again for your comments.



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6824 posts, RR: 77
Reply 28, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8811 times:

Hi Palmjet,

great second part of your Canada series! I'd love to visit these places, too. But I'm not a fan of the Beech...well, one flight would be okay to have it in my log.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
Goodbye St John’s - I really want to come back again someday. One last image, taken the day before.

Lovely picture!

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
Sadly the observation area proves to be very small, with limited views through multi layers of glass. Bugger. A nice thought at least.

Better than nothing.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
. No problems taking pictures on the ramp - no overzealous ground staff yelling at passengers with garbled “security reasons” as an excuse - well it just wouldn’t be Newfoundland if they were!

Good to hear!

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
I’d forgotten that these 1900Ds have lavatorial facilities onboard at the rear of the aircraft

Very good. I don't like planes without.


PH



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User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From UK - England, joined Sep 2003, 5173 posts, RR: 55
Reply 29, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8811 times:

Hey, J.,

great work, pictures and story, both ways.
That sounds really like a fun time of flying around.
These Beech´s are really rare to catch these days.
Looking for the next part now.

Greetings,
Markus(FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlinepalmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1223 posts, RR: 17
Reply 30, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8807 times:

Hi PH

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great second part of your Canada series! I'd love to visit these places, too. But I'm not a fan of the Beech...well, one flight would be okay to have it in my log.

Thanks for your comments. Yes, I remember you're not a fan of these small aircraft but one for the log would be OK for sure   This part of Canada I was told was very popular with German tourists - they seem to know it well. Hope you can get there one day - and I am sure it's possible to avoid the Beech if you wanted to!

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Better than nothing.

Yes - the idea was there.

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Very good. I don't like planes without.

Yes - me either. Makes for some interesting experiences no doubt. I remember the Gulfstream Beech that I flew between TPA and FLL did not have anything onboard - thankfully the flight was short!

Hi Markus

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great work, pictures and story, both ways.
That sounds really like a fun time of flying around.
These Beech´s are really rare to catch these days.
Looking for the next part now.

Thanks for your comments. The Beech is not that common in Europe these days - I expect you've already got one or more on your log? The next part(s) are now up. Still going - there are 4 more parts to come yet! Happy flying!



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2247 posts, RR: 8
Reply 31, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8807 times:

Thank you for another fantastic trip report. I've wanted to visit Newfoundland and Labrador for a long time, and this article makes me want to visit even more. I particularly like your non-aviation photos, which give us a sense of what to see when we aren't on airplanes.

I'm in the minority here, because I actually enjoy flying on the "Mighty Beech" for two reasons: (1) although the windows are tinted, they are huge - not tiny CRJ windows!, and (2) the Beech flies lower than the jets, so you can see the scenery much better. Last year, I flew LAS-Page-Moab-Denver on Great Lakes, and was able to view the Grand Canyon from a relatively low altitude; it was spectacular!

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 18):
It reminds me of Decatur Airport (DEC) where the views to the apron are absolutely great yet there is not a single aircraft to look at!

Agreed! I flew through DEC in May, enroute ORD-DEC-STL (photos from my trip are in the Dec 2012 issue of Airways, which is on news stands now). I had lunch at the airport restaurant, and saw almost no activity in the hour while I was eating.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
In 1985, Gander was the scene of a terrible aviation disaster - the crash of an Arrow Air DC-8 in December of that year.

Another bad crash near Gander took place in 1946, when a Sabena DC-4 crashed enroute Brussels-Shannon-Gander-New York, with heavy loss of life. The victims were buried in a cemetary next to the wreckage; you can tour both the cemetary and the wreckage.

Here are photos of the wreckage:

http://www.ganderourtown.ca/zOld/PhotoSabena.htm

Here is an article about the crash:

http://www.zianet.com/tmorris/GanderRescue.html



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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7309 posts, RR: 85
Reply 32, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8808 times:
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If I took a picture every minute from take off to landing I still wouldn't have as many as you posted on this t/r.   

Nice report. Only time I've stopped at the Goose was for fuel coming home from Europe on a CO 752.   



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User currently offlinebritjap From Japan, joined Aug 2006, 280 posts, RR: 2
Reply 33, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8715 times:

Hi palmjet,

I'm a little late to the party. Been meaning to comment on this report for weeks (Been having massive connectivity issues recently!).

Many thanks for this fantastic report. I loved it. One of those reports for routes which I now genuinely hope to fly sometime in the future (hopefully). Well done with the Beech. There used to be some flying scheduled services in Hokkaido (Japan) but now I think they are only for charter so I am not sure anymore what my best hope is to get on one. Will need some investigation!

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
Sadly the observation area proves to be very small, with limited views through multi layers of glass


That is just shockingly poor.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
everyone just ambles downstairs and follows the agent out on to the ramp (my favourite boarding experience)!


If only it could always be like this.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
definitely one of the uglier commuter planes out there


It is a little ugly. Certainly can't hold a candle to the SF340, but I do just love the ugly little props out there.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
the airport design and interior screams “retro”,


Thanks for all the history. This airport looks wonderful.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
and not much else.


Brilliant. First thing that sprang to mind was WBRs trip to Decatur.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
curiosity satisfied and thankful I did not need to go.


A risky move. Going in there might have sub-consciously triggered you to need to go. Could have really shot yourself in the foot there. That thing looks like it would simply vent straight outside when flushed.


User currently offlinepalmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1223 posts, RR: 17
Reply 34, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8048 times:

Hi WA707atMSP

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Thank you for another fantastic trip report. I've wanted to visit Newfoundland and Labrador for a long time, and this article makes me want to visit even more. I particularly like your non-aviation photos, which give us a sense of what to see when we aren't on airplanes.

Thanks for your comments. Sorry for the delayed response. I hope you get a chance to get to that part of the world. It's very special.

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I'm in the minority here, because I actually enjoy flying on the "Mighty Beech" for two reasons: (1) although the windows are tinted, they are huge - not tiny CRJ windows!, and (2) the Beech flies lower than the jets, so you can see the scenery much better. Last year, I flew LAS-Page-Moab-Denver on Great Lakes, and was able to view the Grand Canyon from a relatively low altitude; it was spectacular!

Ha! Well, I enjoyed it very much too. They are indeed comfortable on the inside and the windows are good for viewing. I would not hesitate to fly one across the Grand Canyon - sounds like a fun trip!

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Another bad crash near Gander took place in 1946, when a Sabena DC-4 crashed enroute Brussels-Shannon-Gander-New York, with heavy loss of life. The victims were buried in a cemetary next to the wreckage; you can tour both the cemetary and the wreckage.

Thanks for the links on this. Gander has certainly seen some amazing aviation history - both good and bad.

Thanks again for your comments.

fxramper

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If I took a picture every minute from take off to landing I still wouldn't have as many as you posted on this t/r.

Nice report. Only time I've stopped at the Goose was for fuel coming home from Europe on a CO 752.

Ha! You clearly haven't read enough reports on here in that case - there are lots of reports with many more pics than this one! Good to hear you've set down in Goose Bay - I think everyone should at least once!  

Hi britjap

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I'm a little late to the party. Been meaning to comment on this report for weeks (Been having massive connectivity issues recently!).

Many thanks for this fantastic report. I loved it. One of those reports for routes which I now genuinely hope to fly sometime in the future (hopefully). Well done with the Beech. There used to be some flying scheduled services in Hokkaido (Japan) but now I think they are only for charter so I am not sure anymore what my best hope is to get on one. Will need some investigation!

Thanks very much for your comments. Glad you enjoyed it. I also enjoyed your Peach Air flight and will post a comment there. Thanks for that. I hope you can find a Beech flight to take in Japan - your reports from Japan are always super.

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If only it could always be like this.

I know !

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A risky move. Going in there might have sub-consciously triggered you to need to go. Could have really shot yourself in the foot there. That thing looks like it would simply vent straight outside when flushed.

Yes - it looked dodgy and yes, I was lucky I did not get the urge to go. In fact nobody used the lav for the entire flight. Must have been some kind of record as most people these days seem to want to pee every 5 minutes - ever notice that as soon as the seatbelt sign goes off after takeoff on most flights, there is an immediate stampede for the toilets. Are people that nervous about flying or did they not bother to go in the terminal before boarding?? !!

Thanks again - cheers Palmjet



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