The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6082 posts, RR: 56 Posted (7 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10274 times:
B A C K G R O U N D
I first flew on an Air China 777 in June 2001 and wrote a trip report but with no pictures. Now that I was planning to go back, it would be a great way to end the trip by flying a CA 777 again and write a much better report. Even better is that CA recently took delivery of Boeing 777-300/ERs. I also think it’s the first report on those new 77W of CA.
Booking was easy thru their website and I originally booked an earlier flight on a Boeing 777-200 but decided to change to a later flight with a 777-300/ER even though the connecting time would be a bit close. There was no problem to change it and it took less than five minutes over the phone and the agent also assigned me a seat.
T H E T R I P
Date : 18 October 2012
Route : Bejing PEK – Shanghai SHA
Distance : 668 miles
Flight : CA 1517
Flight Time : 1:34h
Dep. Time : 13:47
Aircraft : Boeing 777-39L/ER
Registration ; B-2033
Dep. Gate : C 02
Seat : 56A
207th flight on a Boeing 777; 15th on a 777-300/ER
Flown on 118 different 777 aircraft (frames)
I had arrived at the airport five hours early and did some spotting for a few hours before checking in for the flight. I went to check in about two hours before my flight. I tried a kiosk with the confirmation number but the scan of my passport didn’t work so I had to go and someone in person. It seems the kiosk only took Chinese IDs/passports. I had a 10 minute wait before an agent check me in less than a minute. I went straight to security and it was about a 10 minute wait as well.
I first went to the gate to see what the registration was and was very happy to see B-2033 there, which was about three weeks old.
I then walked around and did some more spotting before heading to the gate about an hour before departure. Boarding started only 30 minutes before departure and I was surprised to only see one gate agent there.
Boarding started a few minutes before the scheduled time and used only one of the two lanes. First and Business class passengers boarded first and the boarding continued by boarding group. I was in boarding group one so I was one of the first to board.
I was greeted by a nice flight attendant at the door and headed down the aisle to my seat. There were very few people there, which made it easier to take pictures and to explore the seat and cabin.
There was a nice big screen in front of me and the seat felt comfortable. It was also great to get a footrest and the winged headrest that makes sleeping easier on a night flight. There were no individual air vents which seem to be standard these days. Also note the no smoking sign rather than the no electronic devices sign that have started to appear on some aircraft.
The legroom was very generous, probably the best I ever had in a seat that’s not an exit or bulkhead. One reason for this was that this was the first row where the fuselage curves slightly at the back. My seat was in a slight angle to the ones in front and the helped to increase the legroom.
I was also very happy to see my previous Air China 777 parked at the gate next door, leaving for Shenzhen at the same time as my flight.
More and more people came on board and the cabin filled up. I don’t think there was an empty seat. We were ready to go at departure time but there seemed to be a delay. After a few minutes, the captain made an announcement but only on Chinese so no idea what was said. I think it was probably ATC related as I had noted while spotting that a lot of flights had to wait a long time to take off.
I started to explore the IFE system. The control and screen looked exactly the same that ET has on their 77Ls but with a much better touch screen capability. You could page thru the different options just like on an iPhone which was very nice. It was also possible to scroll thru with the IFE controller. Music and movies were very mixed with some new US movies, some very old Hollywood classics, a lot of French and Italian movies and some Chinese as well. Music was had a nice selection as well. I tried the Airshow map but the response thru out the whole flight was “feature disabled by crew”
The flight attendants came around with pillows and blankets but I didn’t need those for this short flight.
The Shenzhen flight pushed about five minutes before us and we finally left the gate about 17 minutes late. I was worried that we had to wait for take off for a long time but we were very close to the threshold of the runway and didn’t wait for more than five minutes. We even took off before the Shenzhen flight.
Take off was quick and powerful on this short flight. Once we were up at a safe altitude, the flight attendants started the service.
Each section of the aircraft had a flight attendant in each aisle to expedite the process and it worked well and did not feel rushed. Lunch came with some mystery vegetables, bread, yoghurt (!) and cantaloupe for dessert. There was also a tea/coffee cup but neither tea nor coffee was offered. I had beef with rice and a glass of coke.
The trash was collected fairly quickly and I listened to music for the rest of the flight. We had a smooth landing and a quick taxi to the gate where we arrived only five minutes late despite the late departure.
All in all, a great flight on Air China and a big improvement since my last flight with them 11 years ago. The crew was a bit reserved like a lot of Asian flight attendants are but not unfriendly. I would have no problem to fly with them on a long haul flight.
Thanks for reading and looking forward to any comments
The777Man
Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....GA, T5, CI and LX 777s
gabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 2512 posts, RR: 13 Reply 2, posted (7 months 21 hours ago) and read 9538 times:
Nice report Lars. I couldn't see from the photos, what configuration did they go for? I quite liked the old 2x5x2, but it looks like 3x4x3 to me on the new one.
MSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2212 posts, RR: 14 Reply 4, posted (7 months 12 hours ago) and read 8621 times:
Hi Lars
Interesting report, thanks for sharing.
CA's 77W does look pretty comfortable, plenty of legroom indeed.
Glad to see CA is going with the traditional 3-3-3 as well iso 3-4-3.
airbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4015 posts, RR: 52 Reply 5, posted (7 months 11 hours ago) and read 8521 times:
Hi Lars,
good to see this 77W. I think that our fellow reporter 'CrimsonNL' was after the CA 77W but got on an A330 instead on this route. Legroom seems generous indeed. It this 34" like on MH in YCL? The meal and offerings of pillow and blankets is an Asian thing, but, very generous and really stands out. It seems you got a very nice service, definitely a big plus for CA here.
So, any new airlines coming up in the near future for you?
Regards
Eric
"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
sultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1173 posts, RR: 29 Reply 6, posted (7 months 9 hours ago) and read 8354 times:
Hi Lars,
Nice short report. Good thing you changed your flights to the mightiest of the T7 family (at least imo). The one letdown thing seems to be the meal: it looks rather bland, but perhaps the taste was allright?
Quoting The777Man (Thread starter): I first went to the gate to see what the registration was and was very happy to see B-2033 there, which was about three weeks old.
Always a nice treat to fly on a new plane!
Quoting The777Man (Thread starter): Also note the no smoking sign rather than the no electronic devices sign that have started to appear on some aircraft.
And the latter sign makes much more sense nowadays but with the Chinese smoking culture, you never know...
Quoting The777Man (Thread starter): My seat was in a slight angle to the ones in front and the helped to increase the legroom.
But still I spot a rather large IFE box.
Quoting The777Man (Thread starter): I was also very happy to see my previous Air China 777 parked at the gate next door
The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6082 posts, RR: 56 Reply 7, posted (7 months 7 hours ago) and read 8178 times:
Hi Eric!
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 5): Legroom seems generous indeed. It this 34" like on MH in YCL?
More like 35 or 36' I think. Legroom was enormous!
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 5): The meal and offerings of pillow and blankets is an Asian thing, but, very generous and really stands out.
Yes, still very nice on a short domestic flight of about 90 mins.
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 5): So, any new airlines coming up in the near future for you?
Well I hope to fly Turkmenistan's 77L when they get them but not sure exactly when that might be. New airlines probably will in February when I go to CUZ but via PTY, CTG, BOG and LIM. Hope to add about five new airlines on that trip and three new countries. But don't expect a trip report from that trip.
Quoting sultanils (Reply 6): it looks rather bland, but perhaps the taste was allright?
It was pretty good. Nice to get a meal on such a short flight. I only got a sandwich and a breakfast on NH LAX-HND a few years ago and that's a 12h flight.....(although at night)
Quoting sultanils (Reply 6): And the latter sign makes much more sense nowadays but with the Chinese smoking culture, you never know...
Yes, I'm sure that's the reason. People did seem to smoke less there now than before. ( I was in CAN in 1998)
Quoting sultanils (Reply 6): But still I spot a rather large IFE box.
Not too bad; about a quarter of the size of the IFE box on AZ.
Thanks again for the comments !
The777Man
Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....GA, T5, CI and LX 777s
PlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6190 posts, RR: 79 Reply 11, posted (6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7548 times:
Hi Lars,
great to see the report about your latest 777 mission online! Cool stuff! CA's 77W looks nice, a huge improvement over the 744 which used to operate routes such as PEK-FRA.
Quoting The777Man (Thread starter): 207th flight on a Boeing 777; 15th on a 777-300/ER
Flown on 118 different 777 aircraft (frames)
Amazing!
Quoting The777Man (Thread starter): I tried the Airshow map but the response thru out the whole flight was “feature disabled by crew”
That's too bad.
Quoting The777Man (Thread starter): Each section of the aircraft had a flight attendant in each aisle to expedite the process and it worked well and did not feel rushed. Lunch came with some mystery vegetables, bread, yoghurt (!) and cantaloupe for dessert. There was also a tea/coffee cup but neither tea nor coffee was offered. I had beef with rice and a glass of coke.
Not bad, but not overwhelming either.
Quoting The777Man (Reply 3): 3-3-3 configuration which is the best one in my opinion.
I prefer 2-5-2, but that will disappear sooner or later.
The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6082 posts, RR: 56 Reply 12, posted (6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7274 times:
Hi PlaneHunter!
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 11): huge improvement over the 744 which used to operate routes such as PEK-FRA.
Yes, It think both CA's FRA flights will be operated by the 77W very soon.
I was surprised by this and was hoping it would come on later after push back, while we where in the air etc but it remained off the whole flight. Very disappointing.
OM617 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 21 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6956 times:
Hi Lars,
Love the legroom, and the seat looks comfortable, not like those ultra-thin (and hard) ones. Amazing they can put out a meal service on a full 77W flight of an hour and a half.
I also prefer the 2-5-2, but 3-3-3 is not a deal-breaker. As if I had a choice anyway...
Don't forget, not only T5 and GA, but C2! That is, IF it ever becomes available.
- Flew this route vv back in Feb, still need to get the TR's up, CZ A380 & HU A346.
Quoting The777Man (Thread starter): More and more people came on board and the cabin filled up. I don’t think there was an empty seat
- Looks ,much busier than my flights earlier in the years.
Quoting The777Man (Thread starter): Lunch came with some mystery vegetables, bread, yoghurt (!) and cantaloupe for dessert. There was also a tea/coffee cup but neither tea nor coffee was offered.
The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6082 posts, RR: 56 Reply 15, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6510 times:
Hi Dan!
Quoting OM617 (Reply 13): Amazing they can put out a meal service on a full 77W flight of an hour and a half.
Yes, they were very organized so it did not feel rushed at all.
Quoting OM617 (Reply 13): Don't forget, not only T5 and GA, but C2! That is, IF it ever becomes available.
Yes, stil hope to do both GA and T5 next year. C2 is still second-hand since technically it's operated by White. Would love to try that one though....
Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 14): Good to see you are still notching up these 777 flights! - got AA's new 77W on the radar?
I have flown AA before but still missing a trip report from it...So yes, hope to try their new 77W sometime next year with a trip report to follow. We'll see.
Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 14): Flew this route vv back in Feb, still need to get the TR's up, CZ A380 & HU A346.
The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6082 posts, RR: 56 Reply 18, posted (6 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6026 times:
Hi Hannah!
Quoting infodesk (Reply 16): Congrats on logging such a brand new 777! It looks a lot nicer than the Air China bird PH ended up on recently.
Thanks ! Yes I was lucky to be on the newest one. I think PH's 332 was older and it did look a bit worn.
Quoting infodesk (Reply 16): I don't like mystery anything when it comes to food, but at least it wasn't mystery meat, you never know in China....
Yes, I like to know what I'm eating as well. You are right that they eat a lot of strange stuff there. Good to be extra careful in countries like that.
Quoting infodesk (Reply 16): Am I the only person who sometimes eats yoghurt as dessert?
NZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 5672 posts, RR: 40 Reply 19, posted (6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6007 times:
Hi Lars,
Great TR! Thanks for sharing. Ever since I saw a pretty new CA 77W at FRA in Jan, I was wondering what it'd be like to fly inside. And it doesn't look too bad at all! But to fly it, I'd have to make a fair diversion to do so.. The legroom is impressive but you'd expect them to try and win over the taller population or they may not see their business in the future.
adamspotter From Netherlands, joined Feb 2011, 776 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (6 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5775 times:
Hi Lars!
Another great 777 report! Really enjoyed it, thanks for sharing.
Nothing beats flying a 3 week old widebody
Looks like you had an enjoyable flight. Great legroom and the food doesn't look too bad either. The IFE system sounds interesting with a lot of variety, well done Air China. Too bad the map didn't work though..
Great last picture too
Quoting The777Man (Thread starter): The legroom was very generous, probably the best I ever had in a seat that’s not an exit or bulkhead. One reason for this was that this was the first row where the fuselage curves slightly at the back. My seat was in a slight angle to the ones in front and the helped to increase the legroom.
The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6082 posts, RR: 56 Reply 22, posted (6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5551 times:
Great to see more comments !
Hi Nicholas !
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 19): The white stuff definitely looks like lotus to me.. Something found in most Chinese restaurants and nothing to be alarmed about!
Thanks for the info ! I get alarmed about most things I don't recognize in food......
Yes, I was very lucky. But I did fly on QR's first ever Boeing flight; their inaugural flight of their first 777-300/ER which was even newer. Every time I happen to go on one that's very new, it's really special.
I'm very much looking forward to that! I see people here a few times a year so it's great to see someone from Airliners.net here, especially a fellow trip reporter and spotter.
Hi Suryo!
Quoting akhmad (Reply 21): What a nice idea of yours! This is what I call a great ‘remake’ of Air China.
Yes, Air China and China has changed a lot in 11 years!
Quoting akhmad (Reply 21): Specially assigned for The777Man!
Perhaps; I wish I could get that lucky every time I fly. I should put in a special request next time I make a booking or a listing.
Quoting akhmad (Reply 21): Do they have Dance music as well from artists like Shakira or Pittbul?
I think so but not sure. They did have Whitney Houston's new album which was pretty good.
Quoting akhmad (Reply 21): Hmm, did you really have to slurp the yoghurt out with a straw? The meal looked delicious, by the way.
Well, I thought it was juice of some kind so I tried it and it tasted really weird and then I read the container and found out if was yoghurt.....Not a yoghurt fan so I stopped drinking....
Quoting akhmad (Reply 21): Thank you for sharing, especially your picture on The Great Wall. Magnificent!
Thanks ! Most of the part in the picture is what I just walked down on. I walked downhill mostly but it was pretty steep so even that was a bit challenging sometimes.
Thanks again for your comments!
The777Man
Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....GA, T5, CI and LX 777s
win1290 From Thailand, joined Jan 2012, 249 posts, RR: 2 Reply 25, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4594 times:
Hi The777Man,
Very nice trip report on the brand new 777-300ER! It was an interesting read, thanks
Nice to see that Air China sticks to the 3-3-3 configuration rather going with 3-4-3.
The legroom on your row looks pretty good, do you know what is the standard Air China seat pitch in Y on this aircraft?
deltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1059 posts, RR: 9 Reply 27, posted (6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4600 times:
Hej Lars!
Nice report! Glad to see you had a nice flight on CA, and that neither their software or hardware was disappointing. Since they operate one of the few longhaul flights to ARN, I'd like to try them one day. They used to operate their 772's, which I have heard some negative stories about (especially the hardware), but they have changed to A332's now, which is said to be much nicer.
Quoting The777Man (Thread starter): There were no individual air vents which seem to be standard these days.
Yeah, a shame really, as I tend to take advantage of them when they are there. I was positively surprised to find that QR had them on their A330's.
Quoting The777Man (Thread starter): I tried the Airshow map but the response thru out the whole flight was “feature disabled by crew”
The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6082 posts, RR: 56 Reply 28, posted (6 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4599 times:
Hi !
Thanks for more replies!
Hi Win!
Quoting win1290 (Reply 25): Nice to see that Air China sticks to the 3-3-3 configuration rather going with 3-4-3.
Yes, some airlines have changed to 3-4-3 so happy to see that CA stuck to 3-3-3.
Quoting win1290 (Reply 25): The legroom on your row looks pretty good, do you know what is the standard Air China seat pitch in Y on this aircraft?
Not sure but I probably had one of the seats with the most legroom with the exception of the exit row.
Hi Philip!
Quoting OA260 (Reply 26): Congrats on yet another B777 ! I will be dissapointed if you fly on anything else lol...
Yes, I will do more of these 777 flights that I didn't post a report with pictures the first time I posted a report on the airline. Perhaps in a few years when I'm done with my 777 flying, I may post reports on other airlines, aircraft.
Quoting deltamartin (Reply 27): They used to operate their 772's, which I have heard some negative stories about (especially the hardware), but they have changed to A332's now, which is said to be much nicer.
I read on their website that most of their 772s have been refurbished, so they may be okay now. I would probably investigate that a bit more before booking though.
MHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1050 posts, RR: 5 Reply 29, posted (6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4599 times:
Hey Lars! Great trip report, and it looks you had a nice flight on Air China. How nice to catch the 77W on such a short hop as well.
Quoting The777Man (Thread starter): I tried the Airshow map but the response thru out the whole flight was “feature disabled by crew”
I hate it when the airshow is disabled! How frustrating.
Nonetheless, CA seems to offer a strong product on their 77W. If I ever find myself needing to travel to China, I would definitely consider their 77W out of LAX.
BTW, that pic of you on the Great Wall is really cool. The background is very impressive.
The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6082 posts, RR: 56 Reply 30, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4186 times:
Hi Will !
Thanks for your comments!
Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 29): I hate it when the airshow is disabled! How frustrating.
Yes, I always very nice to get the info that it gives you about the flight.
Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 29): Nonetheless, CA seems to offer a strong product on their 77W. If I ever find myself needing to travel to China, I would definitely consider their 77W out of LAX.
Yes, remember row 56 as well.
Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 29): BTW, that pic of you on the Great Wall is really cool. The background is very impressive.
Thanks!
The777Man
Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....GA, T5, CI and LX 777s
The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6082 posts, RR: 56 Reply 32, posted (5 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3205 times:
Hi LY777!
Quoting LY777 (Reply 31): Thanks for this TR!
The cabin looks nice although I don't like the seat covers
You're welcome!
You are right; the color of the seats is not very good either in my opinion.
The777Man
Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....GA, T5, CI and LX 777s