N178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1626 posts, RR: 69 Posted (5 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 17424 times:
Game Changer : Onboard Qatar Airways Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner
Dubai – Doha –Dubai
The Dreamliner’s arrival marks the start of a new era, as the aircraft is Boeing first 787 deliver to a Middle East airline. Since 20 November, Qatar Airways have placed their B787 Dreamliner into commercial services; the first route is from Doha to Dubai in the gulf with 4 daily roundtrips. From December 1, Doha to Kuwait is also added to the B787 route. These short flights are for crew training before its maiden long haul commercial flight to London starts 13 Dec on flighr QR075.
I jumped on this easy opportunity, purchased my ticket for a day hop to Doha and back. It was my first time flying the Dreamliner! I decided to settle in Economy due to the short flight duration and would reserve the Business Class experience later for a long haul flight when more airframes enter service.
1 December 2012
QR 101
Dubai – Doha
STD 11:40 am
ATD 12:10 pm
Flying time: 40 minutes
Reg: A7-BCL
Loads: 70%
Seat: 12K Economy Class
Qatar Airways use Terminal 1, Area E for check in. The counters were very crowded as there are QR flights leaving from Dubai to Doha almost every hour round the clock. I was checked – in after 15 minutes in the queue and given both outbound and return boarding passes.
After the routine E-Gate immigration, security check and walking pass the long pedestrian tunnel, I arrived at the DCA Business Class lounge which my credit card has free entry to it (as well as Priority Pass members)
I like the food from this lounge, nothing fancy and no great presentation, but it has decent offerings with soups, 6 main dishes, salads, fruits, pastries and desserts. I quickly have my breakfast there before boarding announcement was made.
The boarding gate today is C5. I was praying there are no ship-change as this happens often on the short Middle East sector. Qatar Airways brings every type of plane from their fleet to Dubai, even the B777 and A340-600 are a regular sight.
At the boarding gate, I saw a QR A321 docking, my heart almost stopped beating for a second but soon after I entered the gate holding area, I saw the un-mistakeable B787 tail against the tinted window. Everything is going to be fine from now on!
First sights of my ride at the gate.
A7-BCL is the 2nd Boeing 787 Dreamliner delivered to QR. The first ship is A7-BCB which I have now photographed once in Dubai.
Walking down the aerobridge with my heart beat rising! I found myself as excited as a little kid in the Kindergarten going on a big excursion out of school!
The purser and other crew members stand at the door to welcome passengers. There is a Boeing 787 Dreamliner logo at the door!
Wow, it was eye dropping at the moment I set foot inside. Although I have been onboard the Boeing Demostrator in Dubai Air Show, but this is an actual commercial airline flight. The interior is closely ensemble the Boeing mock up interior! It took my breath away!
I snap a quick photo of the Business Class (on Middle East sector sold as First Class)
My seat is 12K, the 3rd row window seat in Economy.
I settled in my seat and took a photo of the huge window with electronic adjustment of shading.
Leg room was decent. Thanks to the slim seat back design.
A huge screen, as wide as the whole seat width.
It was touch screen, very easy to navigate.
Scenes around the cabin during boarding.
Individual fan and reading light are maintained! Great!
I have also noticed the humidifier is working, I didn’t feel dry onboard. But I need to try on a long haul flight to tell the difference.
The entertainment controller unit, similar to Emirates Business/First class console. Now it is on every economy seat on the QR Dreamliner!
Views of the cabin from my seat. Qatar Airways use a 3-3-3 abreast configuration in Economy Class.
The captain came on the PA welcome us onboard, however due to traffic flow restrictions; we would have to sit at the gate for another 25 minutes before push back.
So I took the opportunity to walk around the Economy section and snap a few more photos.
I also set foot back to the First Class, which is segregated by the curtains. The crew didn’t mind me snapping photo at all. A great plus!
What a futuristic look. You can clearly see the fuselage curve. I loved the design. Well done Boeing for delivering such superior product.
Mood Light is on! Window shading is also on. Perfect atmosphere to be onboard. As expected, First Class is mainly occupied by local Arabs.
The bathroom in First Class.
Even in the bathroom, there is an adjustable window.
View from the lavatory window. Possibly best view of the engine.
After 25 minutes of waiting, we were finally pushed back and the engine started turning. The General Electric Co's new-generation GEnx engine start-up wasn’t as noisy as the GE90 on the B777-300/ER. The cabin didn’t have the vibration during the start up.
Taxiing to Runway 12R for take-off. Dubai was suffering from a huge rainstorm the day before and the low pressure system is moving away gradually.
We are number one to takeoff follow a line of Emirates 777 and a Aerologic 77F Onboard the B787, making everything else include the B777 feels a bit dated.
Takeoff roll was caught on video. Please see my Youtube video later.
Over the outer Dubai suburbs before turning 180 degrees heading west towards the Gulf and Doha.
In only a few minutes, we climbed over the clouds and now clear sky all the way to Doha. Flying time was about 40 minutes, cruising at 22,000 feet with 310 knots speed; this was given from the Captain who filled my log sheet.
I think this is the greatest feature on the Boeing 787, now you can enjoy the view outside at anytime during the flight! See the difference of a darkened window compared to the one in front!
Wi-fi was not available on my flight but I have noticed the feature from the Oryx Entertainment unit.
Flight attendants came right after the seat belt sign being turned off; we were given a tasty meat wrap with orange juice.
As you can see, Dubai to Doha is a mere 450 miles, 290 nautical miles sector.
Seat belts sign came back on literally after 10 minutes and we started our top of descend from 22,000 feet.
The tortoise water of the Gulf came to my window view.
We are doing a Southerly approach, lining up to land on Runway 15 of Doha International Airport.
Final approach, very smooth.
At 12:05 pm we touched down on Rwy15. The landing was OK, not the smoothest one given it was quite windy.
After landing, I was allowed to visit the cockpit and snapped another photo of the Business (First) Class.
However, the Qatari captain told me by rules; I am not allowed to take photos this time. He kindly asked me to check photos on www.airliners.net!
On arrival, I met up with my friend Larry (Superfly). He was sent to Qatar for a project and has arrived a week before me. We have lunch in his hotel with some great conversation in the mean time. We were able to visit the Corniche shortly before sunset on my way back to the airport.
Larry in Doha!
At the airport, I passed the security check point quickly and went straight to the Oryx Lounge. This lounge accepts Priority Pass card and it is the lounge all airline used in Doha except Qatar Airways.
It was a nice lounge with plenty of seating area; however the food/beverage offering was limited. You have to order alcohol at the counter.
1 December 2012
QR 118
Doha - Dubai
STD 18:40
ATD 18:40
Flying time: 47 minutes, Speed 310 knots
Reg: A7-BCL
Loads: 68 / 254 (less than 30%)
Seat: 30A Economy Class
As there are no aerobridge at the existing airport, we have to use bus to board all flights. The new airport in Doha promised a change, which is said to be opened in mid-2013.
We were taken to the Dreamliner. Both A7-BCB and A7-BCL were parked side by side. I was hoping to fly BCB having flown BCL on the outbound, but no luck.
Boarding via both front and rear staircase.
View from the top of staircase.
“Welcome Onboard!” said with a smile by the senior cabin attendant.
Wow, it was such an inviting sight! I was getting a little tired after a long day but seeing this woke me up totally.
Cabin ambience at its best!
I settle in my seat 30A, with only 10 passengers or so seating in the rear Economy cabin. Being a Saturday, there aren’t many passengers going to Dubai, but the return flight from Dubai to Doha is completely full, with a full load of weekenders coming back to Doha.
The adjustable headrest in each seat is extremely comfortable and soft. You do not need a pillow to support your head.
Look, what’s parking on the apron! A QR A340-500 Amiri flight!
We pushed back on time and taxi towards runway 15 for immediate takeoff. The takeoff roll was quite a long one; the captain later told me it was a de-rated takeoff to conserve power.
The quiet Economy cabin in-flight.
Again, I was given another tasty wrap, this time with Chicken filling plus the orange juice.
Not long after 40 minutes, we came over the shores of U.A.E. flying over Dubai. The sky has cleared with almost full moon lighting up the sky!
With a smooth touch down on Runway 30L. We arrived at the gate C3 on-time. I was invited by the extremely friendly pilots up front to have a look at the cockpit again, this time, I was allowed to stay there for a long time and take as many pictures as I want. The pilots were kind enough to step out, line up the chair for me to take some great promotional pictures! It really made by day! I couldn’t thank them enough for such generosity even during a busy training flight.
Notice the HUD display was turned off. From Wikipedia “A head-up display or heads-up display—is any transparent display that presents data without requiring users to look away from their usual viewpoints. The origin of the name stems from a pilot being able to view information with the head positioned "up" and looking forward, instead of angled down looking at lower instruments.”
I couldn’t be happier with such a finish on the B787 Dreamliner. Well done Boeing to deliver such a superior product, it sets them way ahead of the game. Well done to Qatar Airways for pursue this fine airplane and offer such superior product in all classes onboard. Now, I will wait for my next opportunity to sample some long haul flying onboard the B787 Dreamliner.
In summary, I found the B787 truely a game changer airplane from passenger perspective with following pluses:
Electronic adjustable window shades. Comfortable cabin climate with more humidity. Much larger window than Airbus type. Ease for photos. Great head room, like the B777 series. Quiet cabin during cruising.
Thanks for reading and your comments/feedback are always welcome.
Sam Chui
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817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 1404 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (5 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 16193 times:
Great report!
Great to finaly see a Report of the QR 787s. The interior looks amazing! Your pics are great as well. Still amazed they send such variety of aircraft between DOH and DXB. Thanks for sharing your report!
Blast Reality, Burst it into shreds! Banishment, This World!
SYDSpotter From Australia, joined Oct 2012, 114 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 15797 times:
Thanks, nice trip report.
Those PTV's in economy are enormous , I also like the personal controllers with the display. Looks like a pretty nifty product to say the least. QR have very good product but need to get their new airport sorted out !!!
EGCC777LR From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 155 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (5 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 15558 times:
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Nice TR Sam!
I was also very impressed when I had a short time on the QR 787 this year at FAB. It just felt different for some reason, maybe it was the windows, I'm not sure.
Like you I was very impressed with the flight deck, and although I got a chance to take a few shots, our time was very limited as so many other people were trying to get onboard
I thought this part of the report was the best by far....
Quoting N178UA (Thread starter): However, the Qatari captain told me by rules; I am not allowed to take photos this time. He kindly asked me to check photos on www.airliners.net!
Absolutely brilliant!! "Do you have any idea who I am"
Glad the guys on the return trip were more helpful
Regards
Jason
Flown On B704,722,732/3/4/7/8/9,744,752,762/3/4,772,77W,A319,A320,A321,A330,A388,L1011,F-50,BAE146,CRJ100, Dash-8. Left
N178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1626 posts, RR: 69 Reply 7, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15031 times:
Hi Guys
Thanks for the reply. Obviously I rushed in doing my trip report. I forgot the following points to be included in the TR:
-- Leg room in Economy.
I was seating in seat 12K, a window seat in the forward economy section. I felt the leg room was good although there is a thin entertainment equipment box underneath the seat blocking a bit of the room.
On return I was seating in 30A, a window seat in the rear economy section. I can feel the leg room is more limited there. It is about 30-31 pitch only. I would definite prefer the forward economy.
-- Seat Width
QR use 3-3-3 configuration in Economy. Given that I am oversized, I didn't find it too bad with this configuration. The 787 fuslage are not as wide as the B777. A 2-4-2 configuration would definitely be preferred. I think this is with ANA 787.
A question, what is the cabin width on B787 in comparison with A330/340?
vivekman2006 From India, joined May 2006, 516 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 14898 times:
Great report Sam with some brilliant photos!
The 787 is truly a game changing aircraft. I had a similar experience on board Air India's Dreamliner on the DEL-BLR sector. Although not long haul, the 2 hour plus flight gave me some time to experience the beautiful aircraft.
MSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2212 posts, RR: 14 Reply 9, posted (5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 14341 times:
Hi Sam
A very interesting read from your side.
QR 787's look amazing, it might be me but they appear much roomier than other 787 variants!
The huge windows and the moodlights really make the difference
gabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 2512 posts, RR: 13 Reply 10, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13985 times:
Very nice report Sam! The QR 787 looks great!
Quoting N178UA (Thread starter): The entertainment controller unit, similar to Emirates Business/First class console. Now it is on every economy seat on the QR Dreamliner!
Very fancy!
Quoting N178UA (Thread starter): It was a nice lounge with plenty of seating area; however the food/beverage offering was limited. You have to order alcohol at the counter.
That place looks a lot better than when I was last in there in 2007
Quoting N178UA (Thread starter): I was invited by the extremely friendly pilots up front to have a look at the cockpit again, this time, I was allowed to stay there for a long time and take as many pictures as I want.
CXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2183 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13878 times:
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Hi Sam, thank you for your trip report. As QR will soon be flying 787s to my home town in PER, I'm glad to see that the aircraft looks absolutely amazing inside, despite the 9-abreast economy.
Quoting N178UA (Reply 7): I was seating in seat 12K, a window seat in the forward economy section. I felt the leg room was good although there is a thin entertainment equipment box underneath the seat blocking a bit of the room.
On return I was seating in 30A, a window seat in the rear economy section. I can feel the leg room is more limited there. It is about 30-31 pitch only. I would definite prefer the forward economy.
I'm kind of surprised that "The World's 5-star Airline" has variable seat pitch in the same class on board the same aircraft. 30-31 inch pitch sounds like it would be rather tight.
Quoting N178UA (Reply 7): A question, what is the cabin width on B787 in comparison with A330/340?
Maximum cabin width for the A330/A340 at seat cushion height is 5.29 metres.
As for the 787, Boeing's ACAP seems to quote its fuselage width as 5.77 metres, but finding offical Boeing figures for the cabin width seems to be a bit elusive. There's a post on Randy's Blog citing 5.47 metres, but also an entry in Wikipedia citing 5.49 metres.
babybus From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3512 posts, RR: 6 Reply 12, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 13753 times:
Are you from Boeing marketing department?
I am so surprised to see so many empty seats on your flights. The fare was a special offer on these route proving flights and I would have expected it to be full to the door.
Now we have to wait for the next game changer; the A380 when it gets to serve QR shortly.
I do like the look of 3x3x3 seating in economy but it does look quite crowded with empty seats.
Thanks for posting though. A very interesting read.
and with that..cabin crew, seats for landing please.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16260 posts, RR: 52 Reply 13, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13523 times:
Qatar Airways has brought to life the full potential of Boeing's renderings, well done.
skyhawk707 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 6 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13264 times:
Hi Sam,
As usual a truly AWESOME report. Always a pleasure to read your reports I can't wait to get on a 787.
NWADTWE16 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 242 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 12245 times:
Great Report!!! Cant wait to visit DXB someday and honestly Qatar looked pretty up and coming as well. I only have one thing to say sorry..A window in the Bathroom??? Ive never seen that and love it!! Oh and the plane looks sweet as well...call me a suck for IFE and Mood Lighting hehe
TravelsUK From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (5 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11746 times:
Many thanks for a superb TR!
Really enjoyed reading it particularly as I am flying back to LHR QR075 on the 21st Dec. which is now showing as being operated by the 787, previously by 773 - can't wait for that flight!
The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6083 posts, RR: 56 Reply 21, posted (5 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11252 times:
Hi Sam!
Nice report on the new QR 787.
Interior looks great and DXB-DOH is great for trying out new aircraft. I flew on QR"s first revenue 777 flight DOH-DXB five years ago.
I haven't flown on the 787 myself but have been inside it and the 3-3-3 seating in economy does feel cramped. Imagine that on a 14h flight.....
Your pictures are stunning and really brings out the color of the QR cabin.
Looking forward to your next report!
The777Man
Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....GA, T5, CI and LX 777s
N178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1626 posts, RR: 69 Reply 22, posted (5 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10982 times:
Hi guys!
Thanks for all of your comments.
Quoting CXB77L (Reply 11): I'm kind of surprised that "The World's 5-star Airline" has variable seat pitch in the same class on board the same aircraft. 30-31 inch pitch sounds like it would be rather tight.
Quoting The777Man (Reply 21): I haven't flown on the 787 myself but have been inside it and the 3-3-3 seating in economy does feel cramped. Imagine that on a 14h flight.....
Yes, but it seems to me the forward coach section has better leg room. The back would be very difficult for a long flight.
I think the B787 seat width is decent, it would be fantastic in 2-4-2 (ANA/JAL) configuration.
Kudos to QR for delivering a 1-2-1 experience in Business Class though. Others I've seen except ANA are usually 2-2-2.
Quoting TravelsUK (Reply 20): Really enjoyed reading it particularly as I am flying back to LHR QR075 on the 21st Dec. which is now showing as being operated by the 787, previously by 773 - can't wait for that flight!
I am very happy for you on the ship change, so you get to sample the B787 on longer flight.
Quoting babybus (Reply 12): Are you from Boeing marketing department?
I am so surprised to see so many empty seats on your flights. The fare was a special offer on these route proving flights and I would have expected it to be full to the door.
No. But I take it as a compliment that my report can sell
The fare ain't exactly cheap for same day return. About $700 upwards! Cheap fare requires a minimum 2-3 days stay I think.
The Gulf flights are usually 60-70% load factor. On a Saturday night, all the traffic flow is coming out of Dubai for Doha, very few pax on inbound from Doha to Dubai given my flight timing does not connect wwell with inbounds at Doha hub. This flight used to operate by A320s.
The flight from DXB to DOH on a Sat night would be completely different story, QR brought a B77W after my flight and completely filled up, 380 pax after a weekend in DXB.
PlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6191 posts, RR: 79 Reply 24, posted (4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7364 times:
Hi Sam,
excellent report with great pictures, well done! I can only agree with most of your comments about the Dreamliner after trying the bird myself.
QR's new J Class is awesome, but I'm very disappointed to see large IFE boxes in Y Class (no boxes on LOT)! And pitch doesn't seem to be 32 inches. As a premium carrier, QR should have chosen a 2-4-2 layout.
Quoting N178UA (Thread starter):
The boarding gate today is C5. I was praying there are no ship-change as this happens often on the short Middle East sector. Qatar Airways brings every type of plane from their fleet to Dubai, even the B777 and A340-600 are a regular sight.
Yes, I have noticed these changes very often. Got an A321 instead of an A320 once - better than nothing.
Quoting N178UA (Thread starter): The interior is closely ensemble the Boeing mock up interior! It took my breath away!
Very futuristic design, I like it.
Quoting N178UA (Thread starter): Leg room was decent. Thanks to the slim seat back design.
But I doubt it's as much as on the A330s and other widebodies in the fleet.
Quoting N178UA (Thread starter): The entertainment controller unit, similar to Emirates Business/First class console. Now it is on every economy seat on the QR Dreamliner!
Quoting N178UA (Thread starter): Notice the HUD display was turned off. From Wikipedia “A head-up display or heads-up display—is any transparent display that presents data without requiring users to look away from their usual viewpoints. The origin of the name stems from a pilot being able to view information with the head positioned "up" and looking forward, instead of angled down looking at lower instruments.”
The flight deck looks simply awesome.
QR will send the 787 to MUC from February...very tempting.