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St.Louis On A Cessna. 3E Revisited  
User currently offlineWidebodyroga From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 611 posts, RR: 16
Posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6866 times:

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PROLOGUE

Following my return home from my trip to St. Kitts (see report here) I found myself in a very unfamiliar situation. For the first time in what must have been years I had absolutely no flights booked or even planned. While this felt calming and therapeutic to some degree (the anticipation of a trip often makes me feel antsy) it was also obviously unsettling. After talking to Alex (dc9northwest) he suggested that I join him to one of his planned daytrips to the East Coast in February (I'm sure you'll hear more about this from him). Unfortunately my heavy February schedule could not allow me to join him so I had to come up with an alternative plan. Some of you may recall a report I wrote last year about a daytrip I took to DEC (Decatur, Illinois) with Air Choice One (3E) on a Cessna 208 Grand Caravan out of ORD: (see report here). Back then I had mentioned that I would have liked to fly with 3E to their other ex-ORD destination, namely BRL, perhaps as a stopover on the way to St. Louis, a city that I really wanted to visit at some point. I started working on this plan until I realized that due to budgetary and scheduling reasons I had to abandon the BRL idea and settle instead with a routing through DEC (namely fly ORD-DEC-STL, for $69). Once this was taken care of I had to find a way to return to Chicago. Both UA and AA offered very competitive fares on the STL-ORD route (also $69 one-way). While tempting, I preferred to fly to MDW since it is somewhat easier to get home from there. Interestingly enough WN was offering a late-night one-way STL-MDW fare for exactly the same price of $69. For $11 more WN offered an evening STL-MSP-MDW route but a) I had been to MSP before (see report here) and even though I loved it I was not as tempted to visit it again at this point and b) the layover at MSP was dangerously short and, this being January, I didn't want to risk spending the night in the frozen tundra. I went ahead and booked the direct route. After informing Alex of my plans he decided to join me too. So all in all, I was going to register one new airport (STL), 2 new routes (DEC-STL & STL-MDW), a new state (Missouri) and also my first joint trip with a fellow a.netter.



Blue lines represent flights with Air Choice One and the red line represents the flight with Southwest.


A few words about the carrier

Air Choice One (3E) is a St. Louis-based airline that flies out of STL to JBR (Jonesboro, Arkansas), DEC (Decatur, Illinois) and BRL (Burlington, Iowa); and also from the latter two airports to ORD. These routes are funded by the federal government's Essential Air Service program (EAS), a program that aims to help small communities in maintaining links to the national air transportation network. 3E uses a fleet of single-prop Cessna 208 Grand Caravans configured to fit 8 passengers (9 if there is no co-pilot), on plush leather seats with extra leg room.

DECATUR, WE MEET AGAIN

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Route: ORD-DEC
Carrier: Air Choice One (3E)
Aircraft: Cessna 208B Grand Caravan
Reg: N1258B


Given that Alex and I live in different parts of town we decided to meet at the airport. I got up early, jumped on a train and arrived at ORD with more than 3.5 hours to spare. I wasn’t sure if I could check in this early but to my surprise the two friendly ladies at the 3E counter informed me that I could. Once they found out I was an aviation enthusiast and that I was flying down to St. Louis just for the sake of flying the Cessna 208B they got intrigued and started chatting with me (I’m sure they were bored out of their mind and they were looking for ways to entertain themselves). After giving me my boarding passes (proper ones this time, not the "receipt-like" ones I got last time) they told me that this was meant to be an almost full flight (7 people were on the pax list) and that 2 days ago this flight took off for DEC with no pax at all. Too bad I didn't book that flight. After chatting with them for a little while I made my way to security which thankfully was not busy. Once done with that I made my way to the gate. What I love about the L concourse at ORD is that if you walk to the end of it you can enjoy magnificent views of the International Terminal 5 (with all its heavies) and also of runways 9R-27L and 10-28. I just sat there and enjoyed the views while waiting for Alex.

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ORD's metro station. Not too busy at this time

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This must be where I go

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And here's the 3E desk. First Class for all!

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A VX A320, namely the "Midnight Ride"

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The rather cozy jetBlue gate area

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And here's one of their birds

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Spirit (NK) also departs from this neck of the woods

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My carry-on tagged and ready for the trip.

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Looking toward the International Terminal 5 and all its heavies.

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The part of Concourse L where I decided to camp in order to do some spotting.

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Lots of heavies arriving this morning

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A Chautauqua Embraer-145

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An interesting cargo 747 of Evergreen Intl in the basic colors of Saudia

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A freshly arrived Korean Air B777

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A Spirit A319 in the old livery

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And as if the old livery did not scream of "LCC" enough they changed it to...this. I must say I prefer the old one.

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A lovely ANA arriving from NRT

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What do we have here? Foam cups and some blankets for AA.

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I love those tiny Embraers...

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The "Midnight Ride" departing for no doubt somewhere in California

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And here's "Grizwald the Grizzly Bear"

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This guy has had so much de-icing juice that it turned pink

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JAL ready for its return to NRT

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Following pushback a member of the ground crew had to inspect the nosegear (perhaps a routine procedure?). Here you can see him walking away.

About an hour prior to departure Alex made his appearance and so did our Cessna, arriving from DEC. To my disappointment this was the same Cessna that took me to DEC a year ago. Oh well. I don't care too much about new registrations but it would have been nice to try a different aircraft in this case. While waiting for boarding to be called I mentioned to Alex how lucky we were that despite the heavy snowfall forecast for this morning we did not get a single flake. Literally 2 minutes later a mini-snowstorm made it appearance out of nowhere. I should have kept my mouth shut…

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It's a bit chilly out there

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The remnants of last night's snowfall

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Here's our little fella

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Getting ready to park

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Time to get ready for boarding I guess...

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And here comes the snow...

Boarding started about 5 minutes before our scheduled departure time. The gate agent showed us the way to the tiny staircase door that would lead us to the tarmac. From there we followed the two pilots to the aircraft. Once inside Alex and I claimed the two seats behind the pilots so we could spy on them. After a short briefing by the head pilot we started the engine and before we knew it we were taxing next to a couple of giants on our way to the runway. While taxiing we passed by the LOT 787 that got stranded at ORD following the grounding of all Dreamliners. It was nice to see my first 787 up and close but it was sad to see it left by itself at the end of a taxiway exposed to the elements. Hopefully those guys will be flying again very soon.

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Our gate. More like a door leading to some stairs really.

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Walking to the aircraft

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No "under the wing" photo in this report I'm afraid. How about an "under the jetbridge" one?

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Ready for boarding

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The seats were really comfy. The 3-point seatbelts not so much.

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Excellent legroom. It helped that the pilot was rather short so he had to pull his seat forward by a lot.

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A view of the cabin

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The furry copilot seat and the safety instructions

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Here's "Freedom the Bald Eagle"

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And here's the stranded LOT 787

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On the runway ready to go


Once we aligned on runway 28 we took off like a bat out of hell. This must have been the fastest take-off I’ve ever experienced. I didn’t even have time to switch my camera to video mode so I had to settle with a couple of still photos. Fortunately the snow had stopped by this point. In fact the skies were relatively clear which allowed us to see the ground for most of our cruising down to DEC. Even though all you could see was farms, it was still better than only seeing clouds, like the last time I flew down to DEC. It’s great fun to look at the views from 8.000ft. Compared to more traditional cruising altitudes you can see so many more details of the landscape around you.

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Soon after taking off

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Over the west Chicago suburbs

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Detail of the pilot's side window

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And over some rail tracks

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The Chicago Skyline through the clouds

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A hazy view of MDW

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A WN 737 heading no doubt for MDW

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Cruising at 8.000ft

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Over the frozen Kankakee river. In the late 90's the town named after the river (located further down east) was repeatedly voted as the worse place to live in the USA and Canada.

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Our copilot appears to be an Oklahoma State University alumnus

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A wind farm in central Illinois. We saw a few of those on the way south.

After about an hour of flying we arrived at the Decatur area and looped around the airport to land on runway 6 from a southwesterly direction. Once on the ground the pilot asked those continuing to STL whether they wanted to stay on the aircraft or get out to stretch their legs in the terminal. Given that getting out would have involved passing through security again Alex and I decided to stay put. What’s more we didn't want to risk losing our special seats.

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How do you say "pollution" in Decaturian?

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Here's were we'd be in a few minutes

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A nice view of DEC as we looped around

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Going around the frozen lake before aligning for landing

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A clear view of the runway

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Short finals

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Arriving at the terminal

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Decatur Airport sign



A SHORT BUMPY RIDE TO ST. LOUIS

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Route: DEC-STL
Carrier: Air Choice One (3E)
Aircraft: Cessna 208B Grand Caravan
Reg: N1258B


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The only other aircraft we saw while in DEC was this Cessna 750 Citation X

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Peeking at the controls while the copilot was away

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Ventilation

After about 20 minutes on the ground we were joined by 4 more passengers (which replaced the 4 that got off at DEC) and headed for runway 12 for another quick take-off. The skies continued to be clear, even though we came across some clouds once we got near the Illinois-Missouri border.

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Control tower at DEC. I wonder how busy they are up there

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A cool chopper at DEC

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Arriving at the runway and getting ready for take off

Not sure why but this time we cruised at 6,000ft and later at 4.000ft for most of the flight, which lasted a total of 42 minutes. I was hoping for an easterly approach that would have allowed me a glimpse of the Gateway Arch in downtown St. Louis but instead we arrived from the west landing on runway 12L.

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The town of Gillespie in southern Illinois

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Following the highway south

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Once we crossed the Mississippi River into Missouri we came across this. It looks rather nasty

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Approaching STL. You can see the St.Louis skyline in the distance

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Aligning for touchdown

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A partial look of the control tower. Not my brightest photography moment but that's all I got,.

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Another F9 aircraft. This time it's "Sherman the Sea Lion".

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Taxiing next to Terminal 2. We'd be heading there a few hours later

Air Choice One is based in Terminal 1 at STL. Once we arrived at our gate we were met by their entire fleet of Cessna Grand Caravans. It was also nice to see a couple of Cape Air’s Cessna 402s. After getting off the aircraft I saw a minibus with Air Choice One’s colors park next to us and for a moment I thought that we would be bused to the terminal. Instead an agent asked us to follow her to the terminal on foot. A few yards of walking and an elevator later we were in the lovely Terminal 1 building. I don’t know why but I did not expect STL to look so good. It was bright, spacious, sparkling clean and a world apart from both ORD and MDW. For a moment I felt jealous. Alex and I walked to the Metrolink station, bought our tickets and jumped on a train heading to downtown St. Louis, our home for the next 6 hours.

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Getting off the Cessna

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The bus I mentioned earlier

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I'd love to ride one of those some day...

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Tail detail

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Air Choice One's entire fleet parked at STL.

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A look at the concourse

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Nice big FIDS

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Our train

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Leaving the Terminal 1 Metrolink station

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Interesting building as seen from inside the train on the way to downtown.

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Scottrade Center. Home of the St.Louis Blues NHL team

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8th and Pine Metrolink station


St. Louis: Mission Gateway Arch

The main reason I always wanted to visit St. Louis is my fascination with the Gateway Arch. I’ve always been intrigued by it and wanted to see it up and close. I knew that this was not the best time of the year to enjoy great views from its top but at least on a freezing January Thursday I wouldn’t have to fight any long lines of tourists. Once downtown, Alex and I walked around the Old Courthouse and the park area near the Arch before entering the underground segment of the monument. We bought tickets for those tiny tram capsules that take you up the arch and a few minutes later we were enjoying the views through the tiny windows at the top.

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A nice welcoming sight once we got off the train. The Old Courthouse and the Gateway Arch in the background

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The nice and shiny KPMG building

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A closer look at the old courthouse building

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And here it is in all its glory

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Eero Saarinen was a hell of a cool architect

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You gotta love this thing

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It looks cool no matter the angle

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I was literally drooling by this point

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Waiting in line for the lift up. Each little arch represented a capsule door.

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And here's the interior of the capsules that take you up to the top. Rather futuristic. And claustrophobic.

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This is how it looks at the top.

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Downtown St.Louis as seen from atop the Gateway Arch

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Looking toward the Illinois side. Not much to see there.

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The windows up there are tiny. They had to be or they couldn't withstand the pressure exerted by each leg of the arch.

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The St.Louis Cardinals baseball team ballpark (Busch Stadium)

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You can either take the capsule down or simply slide down this on your butt

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The Old Courthouse as seen from the top

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During the non-winter months you can enjoy a 3-minute helicopter ride around the Arch for $35

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The bridges that connect Missouri with Illinois over the Mississippi River: Martin Luther King Jr Bridge and Eads Bridge

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Those little ferries offer tours around the Mississippi but not this time of the year

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The sun slowly setting behind the horizon

I was hoping to stay up there until it got dark but we soon realized that if we did so we would have ran out of time. My plan for some nice night shots of the Arch had to be abandoned. Maybe next time. We made our way down and headed to the Union Station to grab some food.

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It was rather freezing out there but I didn't wanna leave yet

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Arch detail

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If you look closely you can see the tiny windows in the top

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The Old Ct.Louis Cathedral and the Arch


Playing with reflections

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This squirrel probably missed the memo that hibernation season started 2 months ago

After accomplishing mission "Gateway Arch" and after a quick late lunch/dinner at the Union Station we made our way back to the airport.

Continued below


[Edited 2013-01-26 20:37:26]


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User currently offlineWidebodyroga From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 611 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6885 times:

BACK HOME THE LESS EXCITING WAY

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Route: STL-MDW
Carrier: Southwest
Aircraft: B737-300
Reg: N603SW


STL's Terminal 2 has its own Metrolink stop. We got off and walked through the parking lot before arriving in front of the terminal building. Not as flashy or spacious at T1 but definitely not an unpleasant area. After acquiring our boarding passes from a kiosk we joined the line for security. The TSA agent who checked my boarding pass and ID was in a chatty mood and started asking questions about my job. Once he found out that I do brain research he kept me hostage for the next several minutes asking me questions about various things (mainly urban myths) he had heard/read about the brain. Even as other people would come up to show him their boarding passes/IDs he would talk to me and basically prevent me from joining the line for security. He was either seriously bored or genuinely fascinated by the topic. Finally after several questions and a few personal stories I was allowed to join the line. Funny guy. Alex was already through security by the time I got to join the line.

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Terminal 2 as seen from its Metrolink station

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A closer look at Terminal 2

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You'd find these rocking chairs all over STL

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Our bird at the gate

Terminal 2 is used exclusively by Southwest, which combined with the total darkness outside did not allow us to do any interesting spotting. I couldn't even see any special WN liveries. At least not until we boarded our aircraft and saw the Nevada One (N727SW) parked next to us. Apparently, Alex told me later on, this was meant to be our aircraft but for some reason we got switched. Bummer. I had seen this aircraft a few years ago in SAT (parked next to the 737 I was about to board). The flight was less than 40% full. This made us feel good for not having paid the ‘early bird” fee for early boarding. Even without it we were among the first 20 people to board the aircraft. We picked our seats at the back of the aircraft and chilled.

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Next to Nevada One

Pushback was on time and given the general lack of traffic at this time of the evening we were on the runway and off in no time. This obviously was meant to be a very short hop so the crew started taking drink orders almost immediately after the seatbelt sign was switched off. Looking at the menu I noticed that they offer some kind of purified water called “DejaBlue” that comes in a WN-branded can. Even though I was not thirsty I simply had to get this.

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Ascending over St.Louis

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And here's WN's branded purified water

Not much else to write about this flight apart from the fact that 3 police officers were waiting at the jetway when we got at MDW. Not sure what the deal was about. Alex and I made our way to the MDW train station but not before stopping to take a couple of photos of a lovely Volaris A319 that had just arrived from GDL.

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Descending over south Chicago

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Anchoring at our gate at MDW

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A Volaris A319


FINAL COMMENTS

Flying with 3E is no doubt a lot of fun. Their staff is friendly, their prices are reasonable and flying in an aircraft as small as the Grand Caravan is always special. I would like to thank Alex for agreeing to join me in this trip. It was great fun flying with him, talking about aviation and bashing each other's countries. We agreed to perhaps give 3E yet another go and fly to BRL sometime later in the year. Any Chicago-based (and not only) fellow aviation enthusiasts are welcome to join us.

As for St.Louis, I must say that I liked what I saw. The downtown area is beautiful and I bet that it's even lovelier in the summer. Too bad St. Louis is meant to be one of the most crime-infested areas in the country. The presence of security guards all over town made you feel safe but at the same time it made you wonder why they were there in the first place. Finally, a few words about the Arch: I finally managed to visit it and I was not disappointed. It is a unique monument not only because of its size (it's the biggest man-made monument in the USA) but for its sleek design and the beautiful views it offers from the top. I highly recommend it.

Thanks for reading.

Widebodyroga


A SELECT FEW PAST REPORTS

For those interested (or terribly bored) I have put together a list of some other recent trip reports of mine. Thanks again.

Caribbean Bliss. Exploring St.Kitts & Nevis
ORD-MIA-SKB-MIA-ORD

Balkan Open Jaw. Part II: Greece & Turkey
SKG-IST-ORD

Balkan Open Jaw. Part I: Bulgaria
ORD-IST-SOF

Giving the Big Easy Some LUV
MDW-HOU-MSY-BHM-MDW

The Bay, The Rock and The Tall Stick
ORD-SFO / SJC-PHX-ORD

ANAbelievable Japan. Tokyo, The Quake and the 77W
ORD-LAX-NRT

Chillin in Sapporo. Literally
NRT-CTS-NRT-LAX-ORD

Aller-Retour To Decatur, With 3E, Wait Who?
ORD-DEC-ORD

What'Saab Minnesota? DL Farewell to BRD?
ORD-MSP-BRD-MSP-ORD

Tokyo, Kyoto & Hiroshima On OZ & JR. TR Remake
ORD-ICN-NRT / HIJ-ICN-ORD

Trains 'n' Planes. A Culinary Trek Of Par-Bru-Col
ORD-CDG / CGN-CDG-ORD

Purging The Miles On The Mormon Trail
ORD-SLC-ORD

Bahama Mama! South Bahamas On Pineapple Air + More
MDW-ATL-NAS-LGI-SML-NAS-ATL-MDW

A Tribute To Meigs Field. A Visit To CGX's Remains
CGX

Ugly Ducklings & Tasty Dumplings. Europe On MA/AA
ORD-BRU-BUD-SKG-BUD-FCO-BUD-BRU-ORD

The Barajas Purgatory. Iberia Being Iberia
ORD-MAD-ATH-SKG-ATH-MAD-ORD

Dirty Green And Red. Transatlantic AZ And FB
ORD-FCO-SOF / SKG-FCO-ORD



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User currently onlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2199 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6762 times:

Mr. Stojan the (at least) tri-lingual,

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
For the first time in what must have been years I had absolutely no flights booked or even planned.

That's a shame, rather. You know, you simply must have something booked--which means, this was much needed, but what next?  
Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
After talking to Alex (dc9northwest) he suggested that I join him to one of his planned daytrips to the East Coast in February (I'm sure you'll hear more about this from him).

Provided Cleveland doesn't get its annual 68 inches of snow all on my planned booking day. You've gotta be crazy like meto go through CLE in winter. Shame you can't make it to the intergalactic capital  
Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
Unfortunately my heavy February schedule could not allow me to join him so I had to come up with an alternative plan.

Well, you know what, I'm glad--WBR was a nice alternative for me. In fact the Cessna flights, with nice company, must have been among the best ones in my life! Shame about that moment when I thought I lost my BP (not that I'd've needed it!)

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
b) the layover at MSP was dangerously short and, this being January, I didn't want to risk spending the night in the frozen tundra.

Oh come on, MSP can deal with winter weather quite well  
Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
After informing Alex of my plans he decided to join me too.

With special thanks to my relativity professor, who cancelled class that day!

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
my first joint trip with a fellow a.netter.

My second one, but still, it's new for me, too!

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
These routes are funded by the federal government's Essential Air Service program (EAS), a program that aims to help small communities in maintaining links to the national air transportation network

I still don't know why Decatur needs this air service, being close to other central-Illinoisian cities, but I don't complain!

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
Too bad I didn't book that flight.

No, no, the choice was excellent!

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
While waiting for boarding to be called I mentioned to Alex how lucky we were that despite the heavy snowfall forecast for this morning we did not get a single flake. Literally 2 minutes later a mini-snowstorm made it appearance out of nowhere. I should have kept my mouth shut…

"The Mouth of the Sinner, Truth speaks". Means you mustn't be a sinner!   Just kidding, naturally  
Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
Once inside Alex and I claimed the two seats behind the pilots so we could spy on them.

You just dashed there. Hope you didn't bang your head on the small ceiling on your way there  
Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
Hopefully those guys will be flying again very soon.

Ah yes, by mid-March, hopefully!

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
It’s great fun to look at the views from 8.000ft. Compared to more traditional cruising altitudes you can see so many more details of the landscape around you.

Indeed. It's great to see landscape features in such detail. Cool flight.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
Given that getting out would have involved passing through security again Alex and I decided to stay put.

Well, you were right here, with passing through security... No fun to do that. Then again, who transits in DEC?! Apart from us and that other guy who looked either sick or high.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
Not sure why but this time we cruised at 6,000ft and later at 4.000ft for most of the flight, which lasted a total of 42 minutes.

Even better than 8000! Amtrak said hello  
Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
The main reason I always wanted to visit St. Louis is my fascination with the Gateway Arch. I’ve always been intrigued by it and wanted to see it up and close. I knew that this was not the best time of the year to enjoy great views from its top but at least on a freezing January Thursday I wouldn’t have to fight any long lines of tourists. Once downtown, Alex and I walked around the Old Courthouse and the park area near the Arch before entering the underground segment of the monument. We bought tickets for those tiny tram capsules that take you up the arch and a few minutes later we were enjoying the views through the tiny windows at the top.

Yes, it wasn't bad. Aside from the complete lack of humans in the vicinity, haha. They were all hiding from the cold.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
This squirrel probably missed the memo that hibernation season started 2 months ago

No, it just wanted to give you a warm welcome to STL.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
After accomplishing mission "Gateway Arch" and after a quick late lunch/dinner at the Union Station we made our way back to the airport.

Subway. Eat Fresh. But seriously, Union Station looked seriously depressing...

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
Alex was already through security by the time I got to join the line.

Yes, I was wondering if you'd changed your mind  
Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 1):
At least not until we boarded our aircraft and saw the Nevada One (N727SW) parked next to us. Apparently, Alex told me later on, this was meant to be our aircraft but for some reason we got switched. Bummer.

Hmmm... Yeah, well, I thought SWA always makes it so their flights with the same flight number are operated with the same airliner, unlike everyone else in the States. I have the feeling that that's only the case when they have people booked on the through flight. Still, I wanted a -700, now I have 28 -300s in my log!

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
Not sure what the deal was about

Me neither... The guy even shouted "I didn't do nothin'", which (ironically) means he did do something. Ah, English!

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
Their staff is friendly, their prices are reasonable and flying in an aircraft as small as the Grand Caravan is always special. I would like to thank Alex for agreeing to join me in this trip. It was great fun flying with him, talking about aviation and bashing each other's countries. We agreed to perhaps give 3E yet another go and fly to BRL sometime later in the year. Any Chicago-based (and not only) fellow aviation enthusiasts are welcome to join us.

Yes, yes, yes, we must. I'm getting hungry for more Cessnas! Come on, we must find 8 A.netters  

Thanks for letting me know about it even if you thought I wouldn't be able to make it!

Oh, and, yeah, we needed a bit of Balkan rivalry  
Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
As for St.Louis, I must say that I liked what I saw. The downtown area is beautiful and I bet that it's even lovelier in the summer. Too bad St. Louis is meant to be one of the most crime-infested areas in the country. The presence of security guards all over town made you feel safe but at the same time it made you wonder why they were there in the first place. Finally, a few words about the Arch: I finally managed to visit it and I was not disappointed. It is a unique monument not only because of its size (it's the biggest man-made monument in the USA) but for its sleek design and the beautiful views it offers from the top. I highly recommend it.

St. Louis looked depressing to me. But apparently I'm very influenced by the weather when I rate cities. Still, a world-class attraction complex and little more. Well, it's not that bad, and certainly more attractive than Kansas City! However, I didn't feel that safe in the Metrolink. Their posters about undercover cops didn't help.

And didn't you mention the fare-dodgers who ran away when they saw the ticket controller! Tsk-tsk-tsk  


Thanks for these writings, Stojan. Nice reading it  


User currently offlineLuxair747SP From Germany, joined May 2010, 502 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6243 times:
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Hi Stojan,

A really nice report on this little niche airline.
This makes me want to try them out one day, but unfortunately they have a co-pilot otherwise one could sit on the best seat in house.
Also nice destination pictures from St. Louis.

Cheers,
Johannes


User currently offlinerogerbcn From Andorra, joined Sep 2006, 1194 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6190 times:

Hola Stojan!

Very interesting and informative reading about your Midwest adventures with the small ones. Nice to follow your adventure down to STL on this small bird, must be quite surprising to see such a small plane moving around those heavies in a large airport like ORD.

The STL Arch has always been a place in my visiting list when coming to the US, so thanks for all the information about the city and the pictures.

This year I have started booking small ones, I will be flying an ATR72 in two weeks all the way MAD-BCN... it's not a Cessna, but still.

Keep the coming!

Roger



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User currently offlineroberts87 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2011, 909 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6152 times:

Hi Stojan,

A fun report! I really I wish knew about this carrier when I had some days to spare in Chicago back in 2011!

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
ORD's metro station. Not too busy at this time

Did that got remodelled since 2011? I do not remember it being so bright and colourly-ish.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
The Chicago Skyline through the clouds

Amazing view!

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
Over the frozen Kankakee river. In the late 90's the town named after the river (located further down east) was repeatedly voted as the worse place to live in the USA and Canada.

What's wrong with the town?

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
This is how it looks at the top.

Pretty neat. Never knew you could actually visit that thing!


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26495 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6134 times:

Hey Stojan  

Great report and nice to fly something really different.

God its cold over there! Dont think Id survive lol...

Is the LOT B787 still stranded on the ground there?

Regards

Philip  



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User currently offlineONT2CGI From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6046 times:

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):

Once we crossed the Mississippi River into Missouri we came across this. It looks rather nasty

That's the Amern/UE Portage Des Sioux Power Plant.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):

Interesting building as seen from inside the train on the way to downtown.

It looks a lot better in person. It's done in Trompe l'oiel(Fool the eye) and looks quite 3-d.
Thanks for the report! I'll agree that probably do need to give 9K a try as the 208 looks a lot more luxrious than the 402(probably a lot newer, too!)

[Edited 2013-01-27 14:48:32]

User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6640 posts, RR: 78
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5802 times:

Hi Widebodyroga,

very cool report about a rather exotic airline! That layout is luxurious, wouldn't mind to take a flight on that tiny plane. And I liked your St. Louis pictures!

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
And here's the 3E desk. First Class for all!

Where's the champagne?  

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
And as if the old livery did not scream of "LCC" enough they changed it to...this. I must say I prefer the old one.

The new livery isn't bad, but I definitely preferred the old one as well.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
I love those tiny Embraers...

Really?

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
Hopefully those guys will be flying again very soon.

  

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
And here's the stranded LOT 787

What a sad sight! Just some weeks ago it used to be Europe's hottest party star.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
A wind farm in central Illinois. We saw a few of those on the way south.

They are very close to the buildings - are these farms?

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
And here's the interior of the capsules that take you up to the top. Rather futuristic. And claustrophobic.

Wow, I didn't know that one can go up! Very vool.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
At least not until we boarded our aircraft and saw the Nevada One (N727SW) parked next to us. Apparently, Alex told me later on, this was meant to be our aircraft but for some reason we got switched. Bummer.

That's too bad!

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
Looking at the menu I noticed that they offer some kind of purified water called “DejaBlue” that comes in a WN-branded can.

Interesting, I'd expect to find that on Jetblue.


PH



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User currently offlineSultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1576 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5728 times:
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Hello Stojan,

Now that was really cool stuff once again! Good to see you out and about and logging some more dwarf planes (and 1 'proper' one of course). And even better to do that together with an a.netter!

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
So all in all, I was going to register one new airport (STL), 2 new routes (DEC-STL & STL-MDW), a new state (Missouri) and also my first joint trip with a fellow a.netter.

Sounds good. What's the importance of logging a new state for you 

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
ORD's metro station. Not too busy at this time

Great pic, lovely colours!

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
And as if the old livery did not scream of "LCC" enough they changed it to...this. I must say I prefer the old one.

You have my vote for that one.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
I mentioned to Alex how lucky we were that despite the heavy snowfall forecast for this morning we did not get a single flake. Literally 2 minutes later a mini-snowstorm made it appearance out of nowhere. I should have kept my mouth shut…

Lol!

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
Tail detail

Nice retro looking tail. I'm glad to see these Caravans doing with a subtle and not a screamy livery. Makes them even more classy and in line with the nice interior.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
Eero Saarinen was a hell of a cool architect

That really is one cool structure. Can you get inside?

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
And here's WN's branded purified water

The can looks Southwest but the name is more suitable for another American airline  

Sultanils



In thrust we trust.
User currently offlineWidebodyroga From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 611 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5622 times:

Hey guys, nice to see some comments. Thanks!

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 2):
That's a shame, rather. You know, you simply must have something booked--which means, this was much needed, but what next?

Very true. It's kinda weird not to have anything booked. As for what’s next, I’m guessing I need to burn some of the Mileage Plus miles I have accumulated before they expire. However I may have to wait until the weather improves first.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 2):
Provided Cleveland doesn't get its annual 68 inches of snow all on my planned booking day. You've gotta be crazy like meto go through CLE in winter. Shame you can't make it to the intergalactic capital

Maybe some other time I can join you in such an endeavor (hopefully to a more appealing destination! ).

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 2):
Well, you know what, I'm glad--WBR was a nice alternative for me. In fact the Cessna flights, with nice company, must have been among the best ones in my life! Shame about that moment when I thought I lost my BP (not that I'd've needed it!)

I’m really glad you enjoyed the whole experience. Yeah it was kinda weird when we thought you lost your boarding passes, just like when I thought I lost my train ticket. It is funny looking back to it.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 2):
I still don't know why Decatur needs this air service, being close to other central-Illinoisian cities, but I don't complain!

Very true. Both CMI and SPI are relatively close and with service to big hubs like ORD and DFW.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 2):
No, no, the choice was excellent!

In retrospect, it was indeed!

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 2):
"The Mouth of the Sinner, Truth speaks". Means you mustn't be a sinner! Just kidding, naturally

Is that a Biblical quote? If so, it has zero worth to me  .

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 2):
You just dashed there. Hope you didn't bang your head on the small ceiling on your way there

Lol, did I? I’m not surprised. I wasn’t gonna let anyone get those seats from us.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 2):
Well, you were right here, with passing through security... No fun to do that. Then again, who transits in DEC?! Apart from us and that other guy who looked either sick or high.

So it wasn’t just me who thought that this guy was kinda weird. He seemed like he was on drugs to me.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 2):
Yes, it wasn't bad. Aside from the complete lack of humans in the vicinity, haha. They were all hiding from the cold.

In a way it reminded me of my daytrip to Salt Lake City, where (despite the excellent weather) there wasn’t a single soul downtown in the middle of the day. Eerie but I like it.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 2):
Subway. Eat Fresh. But seriously, Union Station looked seriously depressing...

Too bad we didn’t have more time to have dinner at a better place. The Union Station was kinda depressing so the best we could do was grab a quick bite and get the hell out of there

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 2):
Yes, I was wondering if you'd changed your mind

Hehe, that guy would just not let me go!

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 2):
And didn't you mention the fare-dodgers who ran away when they saw the ticket controller! Tsk-tsk-tsk

That was kinda funny.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 2):
Yes, yes, yes, we must. I'm getting hungry for more Cessnas! Come on, we must find 8 A.netters
Thanks for letting me know about it even if you thought I wouldn't be able to make it!

Yes, this should be our next mission. I’m pretty sure we can find 8 volunteers to join us. And thanks again for deciding to join me!

Quoting Luxair747SP (Reply 3):

Hi Stojan,

A really nice report on this little niche airline.This makes me want to try them out one day, but unfortunately they have a co-pilot otherwise one could sit on the best seat in house.
Also nice destination pictures from St. Louis.
Cheers, Johannes

Hey Johannes, thanks for your comment. From reviews I’ve read it seems that every now and then flights are operated by a single pilot and that pax have been allowed on the copilot seat. This was in the early days of 3E’s operations so I’m not sure if they still do it occasionally.

Quoting rogerbcn (Reply 4):
Hola Stojan!

Very interesting and informative reading about your Midwest adventures with the small ones. Nice to follow your adventure down to STL on this small bird, must be quite surprising to see such a small plane moving around those heavies in a large airport like ORD.

Hola Roger! Thanks for stopping by. Indeed it’s really weird to be taxiing next to some 777s in this tiny Cessna. It’s a bit surreal and great fun.

Quoting rogerbcn (Reply 4):
The STL Arch has always been a place in my visiting list when coming to the US, so thanks for all the information about the city and the pictures.

You’re welcome Roger. St.Louis may have a bad reputation but it’s definitely worth a visit.

Quoting rogerbcn (Reply 4):
This year I have started booking small ones, I will be flying an ATR72 in two weeks all the way MAD-BCN... it's not a Cessna, but still.

Nice! I’ll be keeping an eye out for that report. I’ve only flown once on an ATR so it would be great to see a bit more of it.

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 5):
A fun report! I really I wish knew about this carrier when I had some days to spare in Chicago back in 2011!

Hey Robert! It’s easy to miss them I guess. I bet most Chicagoans have never heard of this carrier. Even though I live in Chicago it took me almost a year to “discover” them and even that was by chance.

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 5):
Did that got remodelled since 2011? I do not remember it being so bright and colourly-ish.

I don’t think it got remodeled but I’m not 100% sure. I guess I was a bit lucky and got there while the colorful lights behind the glass block walls were turned on. They definitely made the place look nice.

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 5):
Amazing view!

We were experiencing some turbulence at the time so I couldn’t capture a better photo of the skyline, but it’s half-decent as it is I guess  .

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 5):
What's wrong with the town?

Apparently it has a number of issues, like high levels of poverty, lack of infrastructure and the like. Not sure if there is also an issue with drug abuse and crime. I’ve been there once but only for a few hours and while unremarkable I didn’t notice anything particularly bad. Apparently David Letterman (the TV showman) felt bad about Kankakee’s last place ranking and donated two gazebos to the town so that it could start marketing itself as “The Town of the Twin Gazebos”.

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 5):
Pretty neat. Never knew you could actually visit that thing!

Judging by the other comments, most people are not aware that you can go inside. You sure can! For $10.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 6):
Hey Stojan
Great report and nice to fly something really different. God its cold over there! Dont think Id survive lol... Is the LOT B787 still stranded on the ground there?
Regards Philip

Hey Philip! It was a really cold week for sure. Good thing that there was no heavy precipitation while we were down in St.Louis or things would have been miserable. As for the 787, I think it's still in ORD as far as I know.

Quoting Reply 7):
That's the Amern/UE Portage Des Sioux Power Plant.

Yeah, I looked it up on the map later on.  . Its long name threw me off which is why I did not mention it in the report, hehe

Quoting Reply 7):
It looks a lot better in person. It's done in Trompe l'oiel(Fool the eye) and looks quite 3-d.
Thanks for the report! I'll agree that probably do need to give 9K a try as the 208 looks a lot more luxrious than the 402(probably a lot newer, too!)

I see, thanks for explaining this. I was really intrigued by this building but it was hard to appreciate it from inside the train. As for a comparison between the 402 and the 208, I have seen photos from the interior of both and I think that the 208s are indeed more luxurious (at least 3E’s 208 are).

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
very cool report about a rather exotic airline! That layout is luxurious, wouldn't mind to take a flight on that tiny plane. And I liked your St. Louis pictures!

Thanks PH! I appreciate it. Are you aware of any commercial use of such Cessnas in Europe (at least in terms of pax-carrying)?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
Where's the champagne?

Good question!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
The new livery isn't bad, but I definitely preferred the old one as well.

  

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
Really?

Even though my username would suggest that I am a big fan of widebodies it’s the small aircraft that excite me the most. I know that these Embraers are uncomfortable to fly in (I’ve flown in one once) but they still appeal to me.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
They are very close to the buildings - are these farms?

Yeah, pretty much the entire region is made up of farms.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
Wow, I didn't know that one can go up! Very vool.

Yeah, like I mentioned above it seems that most people are not aware that you can go up. Neither was I until a couple of years ago. I was very excited when I found out about this.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
Interesting, I'd expect to find that on Jetblue.

Good point. It’s funny, WN has a drink that reminds you of jetBlue and an in-flight magazine that is called “Spirit”. Kinda ironic.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 9):
Now that was really cool stuff once again! Good to see you out and about and logging some more dwarf planes (and 1 'proper' one of course). And even better to do that together with an a.netter!

Hey Nils! Thanks for your comments! It was great fun to be out flying again. It was a unique bunch of flights for a number of reasons  .

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 9):
Sounds good. What's the importance of logging a new state for you

Hehe, as you know I’m trying to visit as many states as I can, while I can. For as long as my schedule allows it I’ll be trying to log one state after another. I’ve added 3 new ones in the last months and I’m up to 25 (not counting Washington DC). Plenty more out there I guess.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 9):
Great pic, lovely colours!

Thanks! O’Hare’s station was rather pretty that day.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 9):
You have my vote for that one.

Glad you agree. My wife thinks that my fondness for all things “gray” is abnormal but I think I’m right on this one.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 9):
Nice retro looking tail. I'm glad to see these Caravans doing with a subtle and not a screamy livery. Makes them even more classy and in line with the nice interior.

I actually didn’t think about this. You’re right. This subtle livery is a much better match for this particular type of aircraft. Their other 2 Cessnas also feature equally retro-esque color schemes. One of them had (until recently) the flag of Maryland on its tail but now it features 3E’s logo just like the others.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 9):
That really is one cool structure. Can you get inside?

As you can see from the next few photos you certainly can!  .

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 9):
The can looks Southwest but the name is more suitable for another American airline

Hehe, very true. They should have given it some other name that involved using the word “Love” (given that “LUV” is their ticker sign). Maybe “UnbeLUVable Hydration” or something, lol.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5597 times:

Great trip report!
Looks like I need to try Air Choice One next time I'm in Chicago.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
ORD's metro station. Not too busy at this time


That is a gorgeous lighting design at that station.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
And here's one of their birds


I remember when JetBlue was seriously considering GYY (Gary, Indiana) because ORD was too crowded. The Daley Machine made sure they made accommodations for JetBlue. Another lost opportunity to get GYY on the map as a major alternative to ORD and MDW.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
And as if the old livery did not scream of "LCC" enough they changed it to...this. I must say I prefer the old one.


Agreed. They went from tacky to horrendous. What is the point?

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
And here's "Grizwald the Grizzly Bear"



Interesting, our experience when we drove from Chicago through Saint Louis was very much like the Grizwald's.
I just wish we had a metallic pea Family Truckster instead of a generic blue Toyota Corolla.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
And here comes the snow...


I miss the snow!   

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
The seats were really comfy. The 3-point seatbelts not so much.


Those do look very comfortable! It's reminiscent of an early 1980s Oldsmobile Ninety Eight Regency Brougham or Pontiac Grand Prix LJ of that era.
I notice that the door handle straps are the exact same as the General Motors cars of the 1980s.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
The furry copilot seat and the safety instructions


Nice!

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
And here's the stranded LOT 787


Shame to see LOT downgrade their livery.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
Over the west Chicago suburbs


I love the aerial shots with a nice blanket of snow.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
The Chicago Skyline through the clouds


That is a superb photograph!
  

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
Over the frozen Kankakee river. In the late 90's the town named after the river (located further down east) was repeatedly voted as the worse place to live in the USA and Canada.


Interesting how the ground has less snow not much further south than Chicago.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
The nice and shiny KPMG building


There is a KPMG office here in Bangkok. I know a lot of people that work there.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
And here's the interior of the capsules that take you up to the top. Rather futuristic. And claustrophobic.
Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
Waiting in line for the lift up. Each little arch represented a capsule door.


That brings back memories when I went up waaaaaaaay back in 1983.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
or simply slide down this on your butt


WOW, that wasn't an option when we visited. Is there a trampoline at the bottom?



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User currently offlineMSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2472 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5281 times:

Hi Stojan

Interesting little trip report, thanks for sharing. Flying the Cessna Caravan is a definate must on these flights.
I'm looking in doing one of these flights myself once.

Greetings
Marc



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2179 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5200 times:

Thanks for another great trip report.

After reading your earlier trip report on 3E, I logged them in May. I actually left DEC and drove to Springfield, Illinois for a day to visit the Illinois State Capital, Abraham Lincoln National Historic Site (the neighborhood where his old house has been preserved) and Abraham Lincoln's tomb.

Springfield is about an hour's drive from DEC, so if there is anyone who enjoys both logging new airlines and visiting historical sites, a combined Air Choice One / Springfield trip is a fun way to do both.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 10):
Quoting Sultanils (Reply 9):
Sounds good. What's the importance of logging a new state for you


Hehe, as you know I’m trying to visit as many states as I can, while I can. For as long as my schedule allows it I’ll be trying to log one state after another. I’ve added 3 new ones in the last months and I’m up to 25 (not counting Washington DC). Plenty more out there I guess.

I'm glad you did something other than just visit the airport to log Missouri. I'm a purist when it comes to logging states; for me, a state hasn't been logged until I've visited one of the state's attractions (other than the airport). Just as you can't say you've logged the Concorde just by walking through one when it's on the ground, I don't feel you can say you've visited a state until you've done something interesting there.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5188 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 13):
I don't feel you can say you've visited a state until you've done something interesting there.



Years ago we drove through Oklahoma and it seemed like it took forever to drive through that state. We had two flat tires, crashed overnight at a motel and was almost bit by a rattlesnake when walking to the nearest service station when we had a flat. Does that count as visiting Oklahoma?



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User currently offlineWidebodyroga From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 611 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5147 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
Looks like I need to try Air Choice One next time I'm in Chicago.

Hey Superfly, nice to hear from you again. You definitely should try them next time you're in town. I'd happily join you.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
That is a gorgeous lighting design at that station.

I'm usually in a rush to catch the next train (or head for the check-in counters) every time I'm there so I never paid any attention to the station itself. This was the first time I got to shoot a photo of it.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
I remember when JetBlue was seriously considering GYY (Gary, Indiana) because ORD was too crowded. The Daley Machine made sure they made accommodations for JetBlue. Another lost opportunity to get GYY on the map as a major alternative to ORD and MDW.

I knew that jetBlue considered GYY for its Chicago operations but I didn't know that was Daley (again!) that contributed for this not to happen. Seriously, did this man do anything good (aviation-wise) for the city? We could have had 4 airports going (ORD, MDW, CGX, GYY) yet we now have 2 overcrowded ones. RFD is too far and doesn't count.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
Agreed. They went from tacky to horrendous. What is the point?

Agreed!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
Interesting, our experience when we drove from Chicago through Saint Louis was very much like the Grizwald's.
I just wish we had a metallic pea Family Truckster instead of a generic blue Toyota Corolla.

Haha, sounds interesting. This is why I love roadtrips!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
I miss the snow!

I have grown tired of the snow over the years but I bet that if I lived somewhere with no snow I would have missed it too...

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
Those do look very comfortable! It's reminiscent of an early 1980s Oldsmobile Ninety Eight Regency Brougham or Pontiac Grand Prix LJ of that era.
I notice that the door handle straps are the exact same as the General Motors cars of the 1980s.

It sounds like you really know your cars. Much to my dad's disappointment I know absolutely nothing about automobiles .

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
Shame to see LOT downgrade their livery.

I don't mind it too much. In fact I loved the added red bit on the tail.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
That is a superb photograph!

Thanks! Everybody seems to love it  .

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
WOW, that wasn't an option when we visited. Is there a trampoline at the bottom?

I certainly hope so! .

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
Saint Louis will always have a special place in my heart. It's the first place I ever ate a McRib.

Haha, you actually made me laugh out loud with this.

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 12):

Interesting little trip report, thanks for sharing. Flying the Cessna Caravan is a definate must on these flights.
I'm looking in doing one of these flights myself once.

Thanks Marc! Given that you find yourself in the US quite often you should make a stop by Chicago at some point too.

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 13):
Thanks for another great trip report.

After reading your earlier trip report on 3E, I logged them in May. I actually left DEC and drove to Springfield, Illinois for a day to visit the Illinois State Capital, Abraham Lincoln National Historic Site (the neighborhood where his old house has been preserved) and Abraham Lincoln's tomb.

Springfield is about an hour's drive from DEC, so if there is anyone who enjoys both logging new airlines and visiting historical sites, a combined Air Choice One / Springfield trip is a fun way to do both.

Thanks WA707atMSP,

Glad that you gave 3E a try too. I wish I could visit Springfield at some point. I'm a history buff too and I'm quite curious about the town and its connection to Lincoln.

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 13):
I'm glad you did something other than just visit the airport to log Missouri. I'm a purist when it comes to logging states; for me, a state hasn't been logged until I've visited one of the state's attractions (other than the airport). Just as you can't say you've logged the Concorde just by walking through one when it's on the ground, I don't feel you can say you've visited a state until you've done something interesting there.

I agree. Simply being physically present in a State (for example in an airport) shouldn't count (even though it's tempting). I have separate lists for visited vs "visited" states .

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
Years ago we drove through Oklahoma and it seemed like it took forever to drive through that state. We had two flat tires, crashed overnight at a motel and was almost bit by a rattlesnake when walking to the nearest service station when we had a flat. Does that count as visiting Oklahoma?

Haha, Superfly, it seems like every roadtrip you take ends up in an adventure. Let me know next time you organize one because I'd like to join you  .



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User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3034 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5088 times:

Great report Stojan! Cool to be able to fly such a small plane between two large hubs!

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
And here's the interior of the capsules that take you up to the top. Rather futuristic. And claustrophobic.

Wow, that is a very cool structure....I wanna go!



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5056 times:

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 15):
Hey Superfly, nice to hear from you again. You definitely should try them next time you're in town. I'd happily join you.

Thanks. Sounds cool. What are their rates like?

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 15):
I didn't know that was Daley (again!) that contributed for this not to happen.

Yep. Demolition Dick reared his ugly head once again. Probably the only time he stepped foot in Gary was to go there to take business away from them. It was David Neddlemann(sp) that was very serious about expanding service to GYY.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 15):
Seriously, did this man do anything good (aviation-wise) for the city?

He retired but by then the damage was already done. I doubt the new clown Chicago elected is any better.  
Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 15):
I have grown tired of the snow over the years but I bet that if I lived somewhere with no snow I would have missed it too...

Tell me about it. Some times I stick my head in the freezer for a few minutes just to feel cold.
There is two ice bars here in Bangkok that is pretty cold inside.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 15):
It sounds like you really know your cars. Much to my dad's disappointment I know absolutely nothing about automobiles

I flew on a Nok Mini Cassna Caravan and I saw a lot of GM parts bin parts throughout the aircraft. Those reading lights look like their out of an early 80s Cadillac Eldorado. The Caravan went in to service in 1985 so it makes since that the plane would have many parts from this era.

Nok Cessna 208, 737-400, TG A300 Motorcyle Trip (by Superfly Feb 20 2011 in Trip Reports)

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 15):
I don't mind it too much. In fact I loved the added red bit on the tail.

I like the livery I remember seeing on their IL-62 at ORD many years ago.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 15):
Thanks! Everybody seems to love it

You should frame it.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 15):
Haha, Superfly, it seems like every roadtrip you take ends up in an adventure. Let me know next time you organize one because I'd like to join you

That was a roadtrip I never want to repeat. It was when we moved from Chicago to Los Angeles back in 1984 and the car was fully loaded with stuff. It was no fun at all.
Now I've got the right car for a roadtrip. I'm game.  



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User currently offlineWidebodyroga From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 611 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4706 times:

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 16):
Great report Stojan! Cool to be able to fly such a small plane between two large hubs!

Hey Gabriel, thanks! It's definitely a cool experience!

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 16):
Wow, that is a very cool structure....I wanna go!

You should. We don't see you this side of the pond very often  .

Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):
What are their rates like?

Their rates are fixed and fairly reasonable(-ish) even though they went up by almost 30% over the past year. If I remember correctly, ORD-DEC-STL (one way) is $69, ORD-DEC-ORD is $111 and ORD-BRL-STL (one way) is around $111 too.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):
Yep. Demolition Dick reared his ugly head once again. Probably the only time he stepped foot in Gary was to go there to take business away from them. It was David Neddlemann(sp) that was very serious about expanding service to GYY.

That's just terrible. I'd love to give GYY a try. Allegiant is the only airline that flies out of there (to Orlando-Sanford) but with only 2 flights a week it's impossible to organize a daytrip (and I have no desire to stay overnight in Orlando or its vicinity).

Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):
I flew on a Nok Mini Cassna Caravan and I saw a lot of GM parts bin parts throughout the aircraft. Those reading lights look like their out of an early 80s Cadillac Eldorado. The Caravan went in to service in 1985 so it makes since that the plane would have many parts from this era.

Very interesting! By the way I'll make sure to read that report of yours more carefully over the weekend. I somehow missed it when it was originally posted. I love the funky livery on that Cessna you flew in!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):
I like the livery I remember seeing on their IL-62 at ORD many years ago.

An IL-62 at ORD sounds so surreal to me .

Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):
That was a roadtrip I never want to repeat. It was when we moved from Chicago to Los Angeles back in 1984 and the car was fully loaded with stuff. It was no fun at all.
Now I've got the right car for a roadtrip. I'm game.

I understand. Roadtrips can be fun but exhausting as well. I once helped a friend move from Chicago to Boston. We didn't come across any situations like you did but it was an eventful trip nonetheless...



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User currently offlinepalmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1194 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4553 times:

Hi Stojan

Super report - sorry it's taken me a while to commenting but I really enjoyed your little tripette down to STL.

Nice to see you both had a good day there. I would have loved to have tagged along   Just kidding! Let me know if you find any small multistop flights in the US - you know how much I love them!

You and I seem to have had different impressions of Terminal 1 at STL - I was there in March last year on the way from DFW to ORD (why go direct when you can get routed via STL?) and T1 looked like the pits - in fact vast parts of it were boarded up and closed off. There was one dingy sad food court and a couple of concessions. I went into the AA lounge there (as I was on an F ticket) and it was also pretty dire - although the sheer friendliness of the staff there, particularly the lovely ladies behind the counter, made up for that.

Thanks also for your pics of St Louis - nice to see some good pics of the Arch!

Quote:
As for St.Louis, I must say that I liked what I saw. The downtown area is beautiful and I bet that it's even lovelier in the summer. Too bad St. Louis is meant to be one of the most crime-infested areas in the country. The presence of security guards all over town made you feel safe but at the same time it made you wonder why they were there in the first place. Finally, a few words about the Arch: I finally managed to visit it and I was not disappointed. It is a unique monument not only because of its size (it's the biggest man-made monument in the USA) but for its sleek design and the beautiful views it offers from the top. I highly recommend it.

I never know that the city has a high crime rate. I remember being in Manila many years ago and nearly every store and shop (including McDonalds) had armed security guards outside - it was quite off putting, and a sad reflection of the state of society that robberies there - even at McDs were so prevalent.

Thanks for posting this report - Palmjet

PS I am still waiting for your return to Brainerd. When will that be?



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User currently offlineWidebodyroga From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 611 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4308 times:

Quoting palmjet (Reply 19):
Super report - sorry it's taken me a while to commenting but I really enjoyed your little tripette down to STL. Nice to see you both had a good day there. I would have loved to have tagged along Just kidding! Let me know if you find any small multistop flights in the US - you know how much I love them!

Thanks Palmjet! No multi-stop flight that I know off out of the Chicago area. Unless you wanna fly with Air Choice One ORD-DEC/BRL-STL-JBR. A mini milk-run of sorts.


Quoting palmjet (Reply 19):
You and I seem to have had different impressions of Terminal 1 at STL - I was there in March last year on the way from DFW to ORD (why go direct when you can get routed via STL?) and T1 looked like the pits - in fact vast parts of it were boarded up and closed off. There was one dingy sad food court and a couple of concessions. I went into the AA lounge there (as I was on an F ticket) and it was also pretty dire - although the sheer friendliness of the staff there, particularly the lovely ladies behind the counter, made up for that.


To be honest I only saw Concourse C. No idea how the rest of T1 looks like, but from what I hear it is not as good. Also as far I know STL suffered from a tornado more than a year and a half ago and had more than half its windows broken and several jetways damaged. Could it be that you were there shortly after that? I should therefore paraphrase and say that I was very impressed specifically with T1-C  .


Quoting palmjet (Reply 19):
I never know that the city has a high crime rate. I remember being in Manila many years ago and nearly every store and shop (including McDonalds) had armed security guards outside - it was quite off putting, and a sad reflection of the state of society that robberies there - even at McDs were so prevalent.

Yeah, St.Louis has a really bad reputation around here (on par with Detroit). I, on the other hand, had no idea that the Philippines were so bad. It’s not a place I ever plan to visit so I know very little about it.

Quoting palmjet (Reply 19):
PS I am still waiting for your return to Brainerd. When will that be?

Ha! I would absolutely LOVE to go back there. Northern Minnesota is magical. It’s unlikely that I will go back there in the next year or so though.

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User currently offlinefinnishway From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4256 times:

Thanks for sharing this trip report! I liked the Cessna part that is something you don't read everyday.

Gateway Arch is awesome and Finnish design by the way.


User currently offlineWidebodyroga From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 611 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4217 times:

Quoting finnishway (Reply 21):
Thanks for sharing this trip report! I liked the Cessna part that is something you don't read everyday.

Gateway Arch is awesome and Finnish design by the way.

Thanks finnishway. I'm aware that Eero Saarinen designed the Arch. I'm a big fan of his work.  .



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User currently offlineCaptainRed From Germany, joined Oct 2010, 675 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4095 times:

Hey Stojan,

another nice report here, and you know, another one that brings back a lot of nice memories for me from the time of my flight training. I have never flown into St. Louis with a Cessna, though I have done the ORD-STL runs as well a couple of times. Including one memorable flight with United on a 727 with a go-around at STL.

But indeed it seems to be great fun to fly with Air Choice One. Looks quite comfortable on board, and of course great to be so close to the action in the cockpit.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
And here's the stranded LOT 787

What a sad sight, hope it will be back in the air soon.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
A clear view of the runway

Ah, love these views, I wish you could have these views on every flight.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
And here's the interior of the capsules that take you up to the top. Rather futuristic. And claustrophobic.

Oh yes, I remember these, quite an experience, especially when all the seats are occupied.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
This is how it looks at the top.

I have once been up there during a thunderstorm, now that was something, with the whole structure shaking and vibrating quite a lot. But after the storm had passed the air was clear and the views were truly stunning.

CaptainRed


User currently offlineadamspotter From Netherlands, joined Feb 2011, 1110 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4064 times:
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Hi Stojan!

Another fantasic report with many nice pictures, really enjoyed it!
Air Choice One looks like a great little airline, will definetely try them out the next time I am in the US. Flying the Caravan must have been fun, was supposed to fly one in Hawaii last week but that didn't happen unfortunately..
Great pictures of St. Louis too, that Arch looks very cool!!

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
And as if the old livery did not scream of "LCC" enough they changed it to...this. I must say I prefer the old one.

Indeed, I prefer the old one too

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
And here's the stranded LOT 787

Such a sad sight!

Thanks once again!

cheers,

Brendan


User currently offlinebritjap From Japan, joined Aug 2006, 280 posts, RR: 2
Reply 25, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4008 times:

Hi WBR,

I think I have missed a bunch of your recent reports. Haven't been coming to A.net much recently. Apologies.
But very nice to see you heading back to DEC of all places. Didn't think I would see another report from there!!  
Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
a very unfamiliar situation

Well its nice that it was an unfamiliar situation. Sadly it is a situation I am all too familiar with.  
Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
Back then I had mentioned that I would have liked to fly with 3E to their other ex-ORD destination, namely BRL

Mmm... Thats not how I remember it. I would swear that you gave some disparaging comments about how dull BRL is!!!?? 
Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
2 days ago this flight took off for DEC with no pax at all

Oh please stop. You're making me feel bad for poor old DEC.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
I love those tiny Embraers

Me too. Still yet to fly on a 145.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
The only other aircraft we saw while in DEC was this Cessna 750 Citation X
Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
A cool chopper at DEC

Two aircraft??... Well that's at least two more than last time no? Maybe things are looking up for DEC after all?

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
I'd love to ride one of those some day...

Yes yes, please do!! I command you to!

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
It looks cool no matter the angle

It does look very cool. It would be nice if they built one right in the middle of London!

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
This is how it looks at the top.

Didn't Nelly have a party up there once?!    It looked a whole lot roomier in his video though!? More to the point why do I even remember that song??

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
During the non-winter months you can enjoy a 3-minute helicopter ride around the Arch for $35

Definitely sounds worth doing.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
We agreed to perhaps give 3E yet another go and fly to BRL sometime later in the year. Any Chicago-based (and not only) fellow aviation enthusiasts are welcome to join us.

Yes, I also command you to do this as well as the Cape Air thing. I would love to join you but Chicago is a loong way from here. Look forward to the report though.

Cheers.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 26, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3903 times:

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 18):
Their rates are fixed and fairly reasonable(-ish) even though they went up by almost 30% over the past year. If I remember correctly, ORD-DEC-STL (one way) is $69, ORD-DEC-ORD is $111 and ORD-BRL-STL (one way) is around $111 too.


That's still cheaper than driving so I may have to plan a trip at some point.
The only person I know in Saint Louis is Falstaff but all his cool toys are in Detroit.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 18):
That's just terrible. I'd love to give GYY a try. Allegiant is the only airline that flies out of there (to Orlando-Sanford) but with only 2 flights a week it's impossible to organize a daytrip (and I have no desire to stay overnight in Orlando or its vicinity).



Gary, Indiana only had joke airlines such as Hooters, Pan Am3, Southeast Airlines and SkyBus.
I have some cool pictures of a Hooters 737 I took at GYY but they're not database quality.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 18):
I love the funky livery on that Cessna you flew in!


Nok has a silly looking livery with a Pac-Man logo on the tail. The interior isn't as cool as yours.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 18):
An IL-62 at ORD sounds so surreal to me


I was a kid at the time but I knew all my Boeings, Lockheeds, McDonald Douglas and Convairs. I definitely remember that distinguished LOT Polish livery but was confused as to what type of aircraft it was. I didn't have any rear-mounted, 4-engine T-tailed aircraft in my Matchbox & Hot Wheels collection so I just didn't know the aircraft type. Later would find out that it was a Soviet Jetliner that I would eventually fly on to Cuba.
At the moment, LOT Polish would be better off using a IL-62 to Chicago instead of a 787.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 18):
I once helped a friend move from Chicago to Boston. We didn't come across any situations like you did but it was an eventful trip nonetheless...



Trips through the desert Southwest are always more challenging and grueling on your car.
Driving from Chicago to Boston is mostly a series of mid-sized and large cities between forest and small farms. Not as intense as driving through barren desert for several days.



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User currently offlineWidebodyroga From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 611 posts, RR: 16
Reply 27, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3858 times:

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 23):
another nice report here, and you know, another one that brings back a lot of nice memories for me from the time of my flight training. I have never flown into St. Louis with a Cessna, though I have done the ORD-STL runs as well a couple of times. Including one memorable flight with United on a 727 with a go-around at STL.

Hey Captain, thanks! I knew that this report would be of some interest to you. At least nostalgia-wise!  . So was that go-around intentional (for training purposes) or weather-related?

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 23):
But indeed it seems to be great fun to fly with Air Choice One. Looks quite comfortable on board, and of course great to be so close to the action in the cockpit.

The seats are very comfortable but space-wise it's not the most comfortable configuration, especially if you are moderately tall. Also the 3-point seatbelt was rather rigid and tended to hurt my shoulder. Also one should avoid the back 2 seats, where there is limited head-space. One cool thing about the seats however was that they could be rotated a few degrees so you could (sort-of) face the person sitting next to you if you wanted.

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 23):
What a sad sight, hope it will be back in the air soon.

Yeah, I hope so too.

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 23):
Ah, love these views, I wish you could have these views on every flight.

Agreed! I love it too!

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 23):
Oh yes, I remember these, quite an experience, especially when all the seats are occupied.

I can't even imagine how the capsules are with 5 people in them. There was hardly any space in there for me and Alex!

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 23):
I have once been up there during a thunderstorm, now that was something, with the whole structure shaking and vibrating quite a lot. But after the storm had passed the air was clear and the views were truly stunning.

You know, I was wondering whether one could feel any shaking up there when it's windy. I thought I felt some movement up there (even though there was no wind) but it was probably my imagination.

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 24):
Hi Stojan!

Another fantasic report with many nice pictures, really enjoyed it!
Air Choice One looks like a great little airline, will definetely try them out the next time I am in the US. Flying the Caravan must have been fun, was supposed to fly one in Hawaii last week but that didn't happen unfortunately..
Great pictures of St. Louis too, that Arch looks very cool!!

Hey Brendan, thanks for stopping by. Yeah, you should definitely try them next time you're in town. I'm sorry you missed the opportunity to do so in Hawaii (where the views would have been much more interesting, no doubt).

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 24):
Indeed, I prefer the old one too

It seems like we have a general consensus here  . The only ones disagreeing must be in Spirit's marketing department...

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 24):
Such a sad sight!

Let's see if they are gonna be up in the air again by March as some estimates suggest...

Quoting britjap (Reply 25):

I think I have missed a bunch of your recent reports. Haven't been coming to A.net much recently. Apologies.
But very nice to see you heading back to DEC of all places. Didn't think I would see another report from there!!

Hey britjap! Nice to see you here again. Yeah, I've been uncharacteristically productive lately in terms of TR-writing. Things will slow down considerably from now on. I hope you enjoyed the other TRs too  .

Quoting britjap (Reply 25):
Well its nice that it was an unfamiliar situation. Sadly it is a situation I am all too familiar with.

I'm back in that situation again. I got nothing booked, only a few ideas for when the weather improves. It's too early to tell.

Quoting britjap (Reply 25):
Mmm... Thats not how I remember it. I would swear that you gave some disparaging comments about how dull BRL is!!!??

Did I? Haha. Unlike DEC, which features a nice restaurant within the airport, I think that BRL has absolutely nothing, plus I would have had to stay there for 8 hours (instead of 3 in DEC). So nothing personal with BRL (in fact I love Iowa). I would love to go there  .

Quoting britjap (Reply 25):
Oh please stop. You're making me feel bad for poor old DEC.

Hehe, like we were discussing earlier, I think that DEC is lucky to have 3E there. With 2 other airports not too far from it (with flights to ORD and DFW), it's surprising that the government is paying 3E to fly there.

Quoting britjap (Reply 25):
Me too. Still yet to fly on a 145.

I have only flown it once but I want to try it again.

Quoting britjap (Reply 25):
Two aircraft??... Well that's at least two more than last time no? Maybe things are looking up for DEC after all?

Yeah, much busier this time around!

Quoting britjap (Reply 25):
Yes yes, please do!! I command you to!

You don't have to tell me twice! .

Quoting britjap (Reply 25):
It does look very cool. It would be nice if they built one right in the middle of London!

I think this thing would look good in any city.

Quoting britjap (Reply 25):
Didn't Nelly have a party up there once?! It looked a whole lot roomier in his video though!? More to the point why do I even remember that song??

Did he? Man, I'm completely clueless when it comes to pop-culture and music. You're lucky I even know who Nelly is! ("it's getting hot in here so take off all your clothes..", right?)

Quoting britjap (Reply 25):
Yes, I also command you to do this as well as the Cape Air thing. I would love to join you but Chicago is a loong way from here. Look forward to the report though.

Those Cape Air 402s look so cute! But you got to fly in some similarly small aircraft in Japan, which I'm terribly jealous about.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 26):
Gary, Indiana only had joke airlines such as Hooters, Pan Am3, Southeast Airlines and SkyBus.
I have some cool pictures of a Hooters 737 I took at GYY but they're not database quality.

Indeed, I've seen some photos of SkyBus and Hooters aircraft there. Too bad the whole jetBlue thing didn't work out.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 26):
Nok has a silly looking livery with a Pac-Man logo on the tail. The interior isn't as cool as yours.

Sometimes silly is good  .

Quoting Superfly (Reply 26):

At the moment, LOT Polish would be better off using a IL-62 to Chicago instead of a 787.

You may say that again!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 26):
Trips through the desert Southwest are always more challenging and grueling on your car.
Driving from Chicago to Boston is mostly a series of mid-sized and large cities between forest and small farms. Not as intense as driving through barren desert for several days.

No doubt. Which is why I would love to go on a westwards roadtrip. It would be a totally different experience, just for the kind of landscapes you get to see, if not for anything else!  .



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User currently offlineWhiteWasp From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3727 times:

Thanks for a very interesting report. I am originally from Saint Louis, lived there till I was 21. The pictures of the Arch and the downtown skyline brought back many memories. Thanks.

User currently offlineCaptainRed From Germany, joined Oct 2010, 675 posts, RR: 21
Reply 29, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3594 times:

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 27):
Hey Captain, thanks! I knew that this report would be of some interest to you. At least nostalgia-wise! . So was that go-around intentional (for training purposes) or weather-related?

Hi again Stojan, yeah, always happy to read your reports. And that go-around was because of traffic, the Captain explained later that ATC didn't leave us enough space to the aircraft ahead. Was my first (and so far only) go-around on a commercial flight.


User currently offlineWidebodyroga From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 611 posts, RR: 16
Reply 30, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3546 times:

Quoting WhiteWasp (Reply 28):
Thanks for a very interesting report. I am originally from Saint Louis, lived there till I was 21. The pictures of the Arch and the downtown skyline brought back many memories. Thanks.

Hey WhiteWasp, thanks! Glad to hear that I brought back some good memories  .

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 29):
Hi again Stojan, yeah, always happy to read your reports. And that go-around was because of traffic, the Captain explained later that ATC didn't leave us enough space to the aircraft ahead. Was my first (and so far only) go-around on a commercial flight.

Oh I see. Pardon me, I thought it was perhaps part of your training. Never experienced one myself (at least as far as I can remember). I've experienced a half-aborted take-off once in MUC (the pilots gave up on the thrusts after a few seconds on the runway only to start them again after a few additional seconds - never found out why). It was kinda scary.



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User currently offlineCARST From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 31, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3480 times:

Fantastic report!

Loved reading about the little Cessnas and would love to do such a trip somewhere around the US or Europe. It is high on my wish-list.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
The seats were really comfy. The 3-point seatbelts not so much.

Did only the first row have these 3-point-seatbelts? Or all seats?

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
The main reason I always wanted to visit St. Louis is my fascination with the Gateway Arch

Understandable IMO. I love architecture, too. And most cities have much more than just their famous buildings, but in the end, as a fan of architecture and photography your first priority is viewing the famous buildings first, afterwards you can dig in deeper if you have enough time.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
Eero Saarinen was a hell of a cool architect

Agreeing with you! Wish he had lived longer, died much too young. TWA Flight Center, IAD Main Terminal, The Arch, so many fantastic buildings.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
And here's the interior of the capsules that take you up to the top. Rather futuristic. And claustrophobic.

uber cool !

Quoting Widebodyroga (Thread starter):
This squirrel probably missed the memo that hibernation season started 2 months ago

Give him a bag of nuts! ^^ Perhaps he did not get enough food before going into hibernation.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 1):
And here's WN's branded purified water

Going by the name (not the colour of the aircraft) it would be a better fit for B6.


User currently offlineWidebodyroga From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 611 posts, RR: 16
Reply 32, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3405 times:

Quoting CARST (Reply 31):
Fantastic report!

Loved reading about the little Cessnas and would love to do such a trip somewhere around the US or Europe. It is high on my wish-list.

Thanks CARST! Are there any Cessnas operating commercial flights in Europe?

Quoting CARST (Reply 31):
Did only the first row have these 3-point-seatbelts? Or all seats?

I think all the seats have the same seatbelts. In my previous daytrip on the 3E Cessna I sat in the middle seats and they definitely had the 3-point seatbelts too. The only seats I'm not sure about are the ones at the very back...

Quoting CARST (Reply 31):
Understandable IMO. I love architecture, too. And most cities have much more than just their famous buildings, but in the end, as a fan of architecture and photography your first priority is viewing the famous buildings first, afterwards you can dig in deeper if you have enough time.

Agreed 100%. This is how I set my priorities too  . Get the famous stuff out of the way first (no matter how much of a cliche or tourist trap they are) and then focus on all the rest without having to worry whether you'll have time for them later on.

Quoting CARST (Reply 31):
Agreeing with you! Wish he had lived longer, died much too young. TWA Flight Center, IAD Main Terminal, The Arch, so many fantastic buildings.

Very true. He was so ahead of his time. One can only wonder what else he would have designed...

Quoting CARST (Reply 31):
uber cool !

I know, right?  .

Quoting CARST (Reply 31):
Give him a bag of nuts! ^^ Perhaps he did not get enough food before going into hibernation.

Too bad I had nothing on me. I love feeding and watching animals. This guy was well fed though. He was very defensive of the trash can next to where I took a photo of him. I had to walk up right next to him before he moved. Cute devil.

Quoting CARST (Reply 31):
Going by the name (not the colour of the aircraft) it would be a better fit for B6.

Agreed! .



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