CARST From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 864 posts, RR: 2 Posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7584 times:
--- TXL-LIN ---
Hello and welcome to my 5th trip-report!
Last October, when I read that both SAS and Alitalia had planned to retire their MD-80 family aircraft until the end of the year (2012) I decided to go on another weekend-trip as I have never been on a DC-9 or MD-80 family aircraft. I managed to book a trip with SK from LIN back home to TXL via CPH. The first leg was scheduled to be an CRJ, another new aircraft family for me, the second one on a MD-82. I added a rather standard LH A319 oneway flight from TXL to LIN and a night at the Holiday Inn Linate Airport. I was ready to go, just had to wait two weeks.
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As this was a trip just booked for flying around, what seems rather crazy for normal people (that are the ones not spending their time on a.net), I thought I might go spotting before my first flight as this is another activity getting you strange looks. There is this famous spot just behind the end of runway 08L behind a highway offering great views of the whole airport in the street "Meteorstraße". As I have never been there, it seemed like a good idea to include it in this trip. I went there around 16:30 / 4:30 PM and planned to stay there a good 2.5 hours until after sunset.
TXL apron view:
TXL airport overview:
Sun setting behind the airport buildings:
After it got dark I brought my car to our company which is very close to the airport and took a taxi to terminal D, the small extension to terminal A, where my LH flight would depart today.
The famous Es-Bahn:
As I still had 60 minutes until boarding, I went to Burger King to have dinner. Got some hamburger plain, as usual.
After walking around the airport for some time I went back through the main hall of terminal A and through terminal D, passing security there...
Terminal D was packed, flights were leaving from all gates available in the first half of the small terminal and some were late, that added to the feeling of chaos post security:
At least my flight still looked to be on time, FIDS:
Waiting area in front of gates 72 and 73:
Pushback time was 20:40 / 08:40 PM, but at 20:39 / 08:39 PM I was still sitting at my gate, boarding had started one minute earlier:
Date: 26 October 2012
Flight: LH 3492
Aircraft: Airbus A319-100
Aircraft Reg: D-AILU
Departure Airport: TXL / Berlin - Tegel
Arrival Airport: LIN / Milan Linate
Scheduled Departure Time: 20:40 / 08:40 PM
Actual Departure Time: 20:55 / 08:55 PM
Scheduled Arrival Time: 22:20 / 10:20 PM
Actual Arrival Time: 22:35 / 10:35 PM
Seat: 12F (window)
Boarding at gate 72 is either via bus or walking up to the aircraft, today it was the bus, so I had time to take this photo of another LH A320 waiting for the passengers of gate 73:
Boarding was done via both front and rear stairs, but as usual most pax rushed up the front stairs, I took my time and took some photos around the aircraft:
Wing view after boarding was completed:
Pushback and taxi passing terminal A:
And flying out in eastern direction over Berlins city center:
Excellent legroom thanks to LHs new eco cabin NEK:
The NEK slimline seats:
Food bag with Berlin design:
Contents, all very tasty:
Adding two cups of OJ made it an excellent second dinner before I slept for 40 minutes:
I woke up like 10 minutes before landing when the captain announced we would be landing at LIN in a few minutes and that we already had left our flight level of 39000 feet and had passed MUC and BGY on our way to LIN. We were having some real low hanging clouds and a lot of fog at LIN that evening:
Parking beside a company A321:
Deplaneing and taking the bus to the terminal:
Passing the baggage-claim area as I was only travelling with hand-luggage:
Waiting for my bus to take me to the hotel. I expected it would not take longer than perhaps 10 minutes for the bus to arrive and the short drive back to the hotel. But no, the driver took his time, letting me wait there about 20 minutes (the hotel was no 5 minutes away and it was a hotel-owned bus). After the driver finally arrived I got into the bus and we started our short hop to the hotel. About 1 minute, still on the airport ground, the driver got a call, that another pax would arrive soon, so we went back to the terminal. It took 25 minutes for the italian lady to arrive outside the terminal. She told us she called the driver right after landing while still on the airplane and then had to pick up the baggage at the carroussel. I wanted to slap her right in the face or smack the drivers and her head against each other. At that time I could have been at the hotel already for 50 minutes. The idiot driver then drove us to hotel, it took us 4 minutes. Congrats for bringing me there on time. Not.
The departure hall of the terminal while waiting for the bus to arrive:
Hotel room at the Holiday Inn Linate Airport, clean and modern:
CARST From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 864 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7584 times:
--- LIN-CPH ---
Me in the airport elevator. Not looking very happy after the short sleep, made even shorter by the stupid driver:
I took a taxi to airport, the price was fair. The hotel bus is not available before 8 AM.
Departure hall more busy now:
Gold to go, like everyone wants to have some gold with him when travelling:
Passing security took about 5 minutes, very quick and efficient, but not many people leaving at this time, too:
On my way to the departure gate, walking through a rather empty area of the terminal, all shops still closed:
First time I got a boarding pass which was valid for more than one flight:
When boarding started we were first all squished into a very small area righ behind the gate counter before the bus did arrive and we were allowed to go on:
Date: 27 October 2012
Flight: SK 1690
Aircraft: Bombardier CRJ-900
Aircraft Reg: OY-KFF
Departure Airport: LIN / Milan Linate
Arrival Airport: CPH / Copenhagen Airport, Kastrup
Scheduled Departure Time: 06:00 / 06:30 AM (on time)
Scheduled Arrival Time: 08:35 / 08:35 AM (on time)
Seat: 17F (window, exit row)
Photo taken before hopping into the bus:
Taken before boarding my CRJ-900, a very nice looking aircraft, good asthetics. The -700 is too short and the CRK too long IMO.
Exit row seats, available at no cost at SK while booking your tickets when pre-selecting your seats (no cost, too):
Yep, CRJ-900, the safety card, small like this regional jet:
Before taking off in foggy conditions the captain greeted us via the PA system and announced an on-time departure and arrival at CPH. I was asked by the flight attendant to put my SLR away for take-off, so I took the first photos with my small backup cam:
The lowest cloud layer was illuminated by the lights from the city below, that was very interesting looking:
The whole cabin after service had started in the front, load factor was around 30 percent:
Lots of legroom in the exit row:
Tea, rather bad tasting. Only coffee, tea and water available for free.
The sun slowly rising behind the horizon:
Descending over the Danish coast:
At the gate with a Primera B73G at the next gate:
Another legroom shot. It took some time until the door was opened, apparently the guy outside opening the doors to the terminal was late:
Another cabin shot while deplaneing:
My CRJ after deplaneing:
Inside the very nice and modern terminal:
Lots of FIDS, my next flight not showing a gate that early:
Another view of my CRJ:
I went to the Grab+Fly and picked up some excellent chocolat croissants and a lemonade:
I settled down beside the Grab+Fly and watched the early morning traffic while having my breakfast, in front of the window the Primera B73G was getting ready for pushback:
After breakfast I started walking around the airport a little bit to watch the traffic and explore the terminals, Blue 1 MD-82:
SK A343s, including the Star Alliance special paintscheme:
Same aircraft again, out of the sun:
And a second MD-82:
A third one being pushed back:
And a fourth one at the gate. You see, this is my MD-82 trip, so please bare with all the MD-82 photos! ^^
LH Regional E-190:
Wonderful and modern CPH terminal, I have to say CPH probably was the best airport I have ever been to. Good looking, good atmosphere, relaxed, but still large enough for an a.nutter to feel at home:
Some more photos from the terminal, good places to eat there, too, had a nice lunch there later on:
CARST From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 864 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7576 times:
--- CPH-TXL ---
About 80 minutes before my flight the gate appeared on the FIDS:
As I still had some time to pass I went into the Dixons travel store. You would expect a normal Dixons like at hundreths of airports around the world. But not here at CPH. This shop is a complete camera store having all SLR models available and even well-informed employees who were able to discuss the pros and cons of the different models. I got my hands onto the Nikon D800, D600 and Canon 5D Mark III trying to find out which camera I would like to get in the near future.
In front of my gate, no seats available, only in the secured area behind the counter which was not accessable:
My aircraft, I love the T-tail:
Finally, 10 minutes late the gate agent showed up, went inside the secured area and let us wait another 5 minutes before boarding started:
When boarding started I was the first person passing through, but was called back as the scanning of my boarding pass had not been succesful. My aircraft on the apron, what a wonderful unique looking machine:
Boarding the empty cabin:
MD-81/-82 safety card:
Oldschool passenger service unit:
After pushback, passing the TG B744 and SK A333:
Takeoff, it felt like a rocket despite the aircraft being full:
Climb and cruise:
Lots of legroom in the exit row:
Oldschool thick seats, but very, very comfy!
Over the German coastline the clouds got very dense, did not look like a sunny day anymore:
Approach from westernly direction passing south of the Tegler See (Lake Tegel):
Crossing runway 26L/08R:
Passing Terminal C:
We parked at gate D72/D73, from where I have left TXL one day ago, but this time directly at the stairs which lead into the departure area of the D/E-Terminal. Still busses arrived. Why? Not possible to enter the terminal from there directly when arriving? Seems like sub-optimal planning.
The bus took us over to the baggage claim area of the D/E-Terminal:
It was great to get onto the MD-82 and the CRJ-900. Both great aircraft and very comfy. LH was fine, the food-bag was great, the crew okay/professional. SK was okay, the crew not very proactive regarding the customer service, but still friendly.
TXL airport was the usual business, LIN was efficient, but not very good looking/feeling. CPH was great, my favourite airport so far, only negative point being the boarding area without seats for my flight to TXL. But as I saw no other boarding area like that one, so I consider this just bad luck.
debonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2557 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7329 times:
Very nice pictures- GREAT!
Quoting CARST (Thread starter): I managed to book a trip with SK from LIN back home to TXL via CPH. The first leg was scheduled to be an CRJ, another new aircraft family for me, the second one on a MD-82.
Lucky you! SAS is famous for last minute changes of their fleet...
Quoting CARST (Reply 1): I took a taxi to airport, the price was fair. The hotel bus is not available before 8 AM.
An AIRPORT Hotel without shuttle service before 8am - must be a joke!
Come on, don't be so hard on the driver. Ok, he could have turned up earlier, but it is hardly his fault that the other passenger needed so much time. And still better than taking a taxi (at least in Italy, where it is quite likely to be completely ripped-off ).
Quoting CARST (Thread starter): You see, this is my MD-82 trip, so please bare with all the MD-82 photos!
ROGERBCN From Andorra, joined Sep 2006, 1210 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6307 times:
Very nice and interesting TR on these Europen hops.
Glad you had a flight on the MDs before retirement. I still remember my last flight on one of those, a JK MD-82, which included a go around when about to land in BCN. Great aircraft!
Loved the pictures you took at TXL before leaving, lovely contrast between the sunset oriented ones, they look magic, really nice job.
Despite having visited TXL many times I did not realize you could have such nice pictures from the other side of the airport. One can always learn something new. Great!
I have been to LIN only once and I remember it being a rater dull, low ceiling airport... very conveniently located for downtown Milan though. Totally opposite to CPH, a great airy airport... lovely architecture.
"At reise er at leve" H.C. Andersen (Travelling is Living)
adamspotter From Netherlands, joined Feb 2011, 1193 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6192 times:
Nice report and a great idea to catch the SAS MD-82 while the few left are still out there. I have luckily enough logged a couple of SAS Mad dogs myself
I really enjoyed all your pictures, especially the spotting ones at TXL.
SAS and LHs service looks like the usual, nothing special.
Quoting roberts87 (Reply 4): Did something like that in 2009, but ended up flying another ten of them over the years lol.
Lucky you! I don't think I gonna get onto that many MDs in the next years. Perhaps I am gonna get lucky in the US this or next year, more of them flying around over there.
Quoting roberts87 (Reply 4): was doubting between the Holiday Inn and another hotel - glad I picked the latter.
WIse choice! But to defend the hotel a little bit, it is quite nice, the rooms (like shown above) modern und clean. Just the shuttle service s*cks big time; an important point considering that it is an airport hotel.
Thank you! True words, a real shame. The airports just get more boring my all older types of aircraft getting phased out. A300 and A310, MD11, MD80 series. In the mid 90s still 727s were around. It is not getting better from an enthusiasts point of view. ^^
Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 6): Great pictures from that spot, especially the moody sunset shots. Got to remember that place for my next visit to Berlin.
Thanks again, just some advice how to reach that spot. It is very easy and is even useful when only having a good 2 hours or so in TXL. You just take Bus 128 from TXL to Kurt-Schumacher-Platz. From there you walk 10 minutes down the mentioned street (Meteorstraße) to that place. You could also change buses there on to Bus 125 up to Uranusweg, then you just have to walk 3 minutes. Not really worth it, but if travelling with a bag or being lazy an option to reduce walking distance and time.
Well, the hotel is no 2km away. He could have driven me to the hotel and been back at the terminal in less than 10 minutes. If he lets me wait 20 minutes, I am sure the next hotel guest could have waited 5 minutes or so, too. But you are right the woman is much more to blame here than the driver.
Yeah right, normally nothing to write about. These short hops in Europe are more or less all the same nothing special happening there. But on the other hand if you read enough reports you can see a trend if service is declining/changing/getting better at an airline.
Quoting aerdingus (Reply 10): Yes! My thoughts exactly, soft & comfy compared to the leather Recaro crap out now.
Yeah, the airlines try to sell us the new slim-line seats with the argument we are getting more legroom (which will be taken away in a few years, I am sure), but they don't tell us that they are hard on the back, not really suitable for flights over three hours.
Widebodyroga From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 613 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 5317 times:
Hey CARST. A very nice report with some really cool aviation pictures. Congrats on registering the two aircraft types you were after .
Quoting CARST (Thread starter): I went there around 16:30 / 4:30 PM and planned to stay there a good 2.5 hours until after sunset.
These are some really cool photos. I like how you offered two versions of (almost) every aircraft: One of its shadow and one normal. Seems like you were standing at the perfect spot to pull this off.
Quoting CARST (Thread starter): Terminal D was packed, flights were leaving from all gates available in the first half of the small terminal and some were late, that added to the feeling of chaos post security:
This must be the first time I ever see a German airport packed. I swear every time I'm in a German airport it's always empty and quiet (just the way I like it).
Quoting CARST (Thread starter): Waiting for my bus to take me to the hotel. I expected it would not take longer than perhaps 10 minutes for the bus to arrive and the short drive back to the hotel. But no, the driver took his time, letting me wait there about 20 minutes (the hotel was no 5 minutes away and it was a hotel-owned bus). After the driver finally arrived I got into the bus and we started our short hop to the hotel. About 1 minute, still on the airport ground, the driver got a call, that another pax would arrive soon, so we went back to the terminal. It took 25 minutes for the italian lady to arrive outside the terminal. She told us she called the driver right after landing while still on the airplane and then had to pick up the baggage at the carroussel. I wanted to slap her right in the face or smack the drivers and her head against each other. At that time I could have been at the hotel already for 50 minutes. The idiot driver then drove us to hotel, it took us 4 minutes. Congrats for bringing me there on time. Not.
This is ridiculous. Was the driver stupid? If the hotel is just 4 minutes away what's the point in waiting? I know gas is expensive in Europe but c'mon!
Quoting CARST (Reply 1): The hotel bus is not available before 8 AM.
Well, like you said maybe that was for the best. You wouldn't want to miss your flight while the shuttle driver was waiting for some other traveler to wake up.
Quoting CARST (Reply 2): In front of my gate, no seats available, only in the secured area behind the counter which was not accessable:
That's weird. Any ideas as to why this was designed this way?
Thanks for sharing!
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MSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2474 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5127 times:
Interesting review and splendid pics! Glad you where able to log the MD82 once more before they are definate history.
LH and SAS look to have good service as usual. I like the new Berlin catering on LH, a bit more than other domestic flights.
Next trip report: Well worn A330s and Hassle free MUC transfer
CARST From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 864 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4941 times:
Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 16): Hey CARST. A very nice report with some really cool aviation pictures. Congrats on registering the two aircraft types you were after
Thank you Widebodyroga!
Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 16): These are some really cool photos. I like how you offered two versions of (almost) every aircraft: One of its shadow and one normal. Seems like you were standing at the perfect spot to pull this off.
Well, that is quite easy if you directly face the low sun. You just have to turn around as the aircraft is passing the own postion, so the sun is in your back. But I liked the outcome, too. ^^
Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 16): This must be the first time I ever see a German airport packed. I swear every time I'm in a German airport it's always empty and quiet (just the way I like it).
Agreeing with you, this is another special thing about Berlin. TXL is operating for more than 15-20 years about the capacity it was planned for. And that won't change until BER opens.
I think that has to do with flights requiring special security, but I could be wrong. I though they installed this later (after 9/11) for flights to the UK etc. But this is just a guess, I could be totally wrong.
jwhite9185 From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 1500 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4628 times:
Hi there Carsten,
Great read with lots of very good pics too. I especially liked the first few that were taken at sunset.
Good that you managed to catch the MD. I have one booked for April, and hoping it doesn't get subbed - my CR7 has already been swapped for a 738. Also lucky to catch 'Lu' also. Seen this one about a few times but not managed to go on it.