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User currently offlineSultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1789 posts, RR: 30
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11379 times:



This report is the second and last part of a trip some a.netters and I did a while ago, for the first part please see: 3h In Tokyo, A Joint A.net Odyssey: BRU-MXP-NRT (by sultanils Jan 21 2013 in Trip Reports)

Tokyo Narita airport

And thus I’m in Japan!

While FlyingFinn76 decides to stay airside and airbuseric wants to do some shopping, it is gabrielchew, tobbry and I who go outside to the observation deck to see some action.


It is chilly, some 7 degrees and the sun is not out but there are some interesting things to see. The deck is cordoned off with a hard metal fence which has an occasional hole to put your camera through.

For Akhmad:


And in the land of electronics, lots of Japanese spotters carry quite some impressive (camera) equipment with lenses that physically reach the runway. Or almost. I try to shoot some more or less decent shots with my pocket camera:

2 for knightsofmalta:




For MSS658:




2 for airbuseric:




For FLIEGER67:


For infodesk:


After a while we head back inside and wander around a bit. As tobbry is staying in Japan for a short while, we say our goodbyes and I go for a quick tourist shopping frenzy.

No Ninja shoes for me but I do buy some ‘luck-bringing’ fliers.


After that, airbuseric joins in again and we head for the checkin desks. Now on the Alitalia website is a mention that you can buy an upgrade to the Classica Plus cabin (Y+) for the sum of € 150 oneway. Sounds reasonable for us, so we enquire. Alas, the upgrade costs some € 2250 more so no dice this time. I guess it’ll only be ex-Italia?

We check in and ask for an empty row with the middle seat free but the lady says ‘No can do, we are full’. Hmm, that’s not too good. So we all stick with are pre-selected seats for the moment. The gate is 24 and that’s the very same one as we have arrived on. Bugger that as it means we will be taking the same plane out of Japan...

Security is next and airbuseric is able to guest me and gabrielchew through the fast lane. Thanks again for that!


With that taken care off, it is off to the lounge, the Delta Skyclub, which is conveniently located on top of our departure gate.

Scoot blasting away from 34L and the Alitalia MXP flight on EI-DBL:


Another big thanks to my fellow travellers to guest me in. Definitely a nice place with excellent apron views and - as important - very good showering facilities:


After the shower we hang around some and have a bite to eat.

So where does the name ‘Delta Skyclub’ come from?




As the FIDS in the lounge flashes our flight as ‘boarding’, we head downstairs and enter our chariot again.



NRT to FCO
AZ785
B777-200ER EI-DBM
STD-STA 14h10-19h00
Y class
seat 41L


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Once inside, it is quite apparent that this flight will definitely be nearly full. I decide to wait for a better seat and meanwhile ask a Japanese FA if there are per chance any empty rows or rows with the middle seat free. She gets the passenger list from the back galley and confirms that yes! there is one empty row, 41 on the right side. But that’s it. Before any other pax can take advantage of this, I take the window seat and airbuseric the aisle seat. Perfect! Unfortunately, FlyingFinn76 and gabrielchew have to do with an aisle seat in a full row of 3.

First impressions of the cabin are pretty much the same, there’s a blanket, headphones and a pillow on the seat, all wrapped in plastic. First impressions of the crew are much different than on the outbound, they seem to be more reserved.
Finally we’re all settled in and ready to go:


The captain announces the flying time as a lengthy 12h35 mins, as opposed to under 12h on the way here. He also does his welcome speech in - at least in my perception - fluent Japanese.

Outside, the weather has improved and the apron is full with interesting machinery. There’s an abundance of DL of course:


Some Korean stuff:


Both meeting face to face:


And then we join in as well:


Here’s the observatory deck where we were some hours ago:


Stand 24, all clear now:


We make our way towards 34L for departure, tailed by some other heavies:




And there we go, another full day in a plane  


Takeoff is pretty much how it has to be on a 777, fast and furious 




We are treated with some good airport views:




The other - oddly shaped - runway:


After a few gentle turns we level off, next stop Rome:






Again we pass the Japanese Alps, before entering the sea of Japan and the mainland of Russia:






The routine on this flight is pretty much the same as on the outbound. The grissini snack and a drink first, followed a while later by a hot meal and another drink of choice. The choices are again ‘pasta’ or ‘Japanese’. I go for the pasta while my seatmate airbuseric is in favour of the Japanese meal (which turns out to be fish):


airbuseric’s meal:


Alitalia branding on the trays:


After this mediocre meal, the light stays on for a short while which gives me a last oppurtunity for a post-dinner cabin shot:


As darkness sets in outside as well as inside, there’s not much more to do than listen to some music and play some with the IFE. airbuseric challenges me for a game of Tetris but it’s clear that he’s no match for me. Or is it the other way round 


I also complete watching ‘Madagascar 2’ and ‘How to train a dragon’. The tiny screens have a bad resolution which makes watching quite tiresome.


I don’t sleep on this flight. I’d figure that it is better to say awake and have a good night’s sleep in the hotel in a few (or more) hours.

A second snack is presented as well with a choice between a sandwich and onigiri

(O-nigiri (お握り or 御握り; おにぎり?), also known as o-musubi (お結び; おむすび?) or rice ball, is a Japanese food made from white rice formed into triangular or oval shapes and often wrapped in nori (seaweed), thank you Wikipedia   ).

I go for the latter which imho is revolting. Lucky for me I took some green tea to wash away the taste. Brrr!


Due to the fact that we travel against the time, it gets dark, it lightens up again and gets dark for a second time. Quite cool but pretty confusing!


At about this point in the flight, the lights are switched on and we are treated to another meal.


A cold meal, accompanied with some hot and very tasty buns:


After finishing the meal, the trash is gathered and the cabin further prepared for arrival. The crew is rather sloppy in checking if the cabin is secure for landing. airbuseric tests the crew on this and they fail twice in detecting his unfastened seat belt. Of course airbuseric fastens his one immediately thereafter   The crew also misses some not upright seats...

The final descent for runway 16R is made in full darkness:


We land in Rome about half an hour early...


… and a short taxi later we dock at the satellite gates, in the vicinity of this company A332:


And next to this one:



Rome Fiumicino airport

Deboarding is swift and efficient and I think we are all glad to being able to exit this plane. My fellow travellers are (again) hungry and they decide to visit McD’s for a burger and fries. I’m not hungry but join them anyway for a final get together before our ways part.

They do part eventually and I’m off to my reserved room at the Fiumicino Airport Hilton Hotel. During my walk there I can’t help but noticing what a mess of an airport FCO actually is: it’s dirty, old and generally unpleasant.
I don’t have a boarding pass yet for my Swiss flights the next day so I pass by the check in area to try to pick it up. The desk is manned (wo-manned) but the lady tells me it is not possible to check me in now. ‘Come back tomorrow morning’. There are no SSK’s to be seen neither so I admit defeat and make a beeline for the airport Hilton in search of some much needed shuteye.

The way to the hotel goes through quite some meters of these unpleasant walkways:


I arrive at the hotel at about 20.15pm and check in. A computer is available ‘free of charge’ to do OLCI for the next day. The computer seems to be the only item in the hotel which is ‘foc’. When I take a look at the prices of the minibar or cable TV I go in shock   It seems one has to pay the price for convenience...

After a solid 8 hours of sleep, the alarm wakes me at 5 in the morning. A shower later I’m already more human than human and without further due I walk my way back to the terminal for the 6h40 flight to ZRH.
The FIDS are also present in the walkways in the parking lot:


Inside, landside, it’s still rather quietl. No wonder at this time on a Sunday morning:


5 minutes later I’m through security and inside, airside it is all peace and quiet as well:


I stroll around some but there’s is really nothing to see, shops are still closed and apron views are nearly non-existent or very bad. And it’s dark outside.

Luckily, it’s not long before the flight is called for boarding:




FCO to ZRH
LX1735
A319 HB-IPX
STD-STA 6h40-8h10
Y class
seat 9A


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It immediately strikes me how smooth and relax the boarding process is. Of course, it is still very early morning but the crew and cabin have this immediate calming effect on me.

I take my seat, the middle one stays empty and the aisle seat is occupied by an older gentleman:


We leave our stand a few minutes early and take off from 25 towards the west and the sea:




As the flight is relatively short, the brekkie service is started asap. A muffin, mineral water and tea and lemon. Dare I say that this combo hits the spot nicely 


Don’t forget this most important item on any Swiss flight:


Magazines & legroom:




Good to see a recent flight map in working order here:


Slowly but steady The Darkness makes way for The Daylight:


The folks up front give some more flight info on our arrival into ZRH. Snow is forecast thus delaying a bit the arriving and departing traffic. Our arrival route is a circuitous one, taking us over the Zürichsee:






We land 10 mins before schedule on 34...




…and taxi to the designated gate at terminal A:


Passing the E gates with heavy morning activities going on:


No comment 


Crossing 10/28:


And finally here we are:


Disembarkation is swift. One last look onto the seating: I like the Swiss cabin very much!


Our chariot is already being refueled for it’s next mission:



Zürich Kloten airport

I’m glad to be back in ZRH which is one of my favourite European airports. And the contrast with FCO couldn’t be bigger: it’s clean, modern and well laid out. It now also offers free wifi (as it should be!). But let’s not talk about prices at shops and eateries...

Oh yes, and the windows are clean as well. Bye HB-IPX:


“Now where’s that infodesk? Oh yes, I remember! It is on holiday and is supposed to arrive later today. Bugger that, I’ll have to fill in my remaining time here on my own...”

The last flight of my odyssey most conveniently leaves right opposite the arrival gate where I just came from. So it’s upstairs, a 180° turn and a few steps later I’m where I should be.


I’m delighted to see that Swiss decided to transport me in the *A Avro to BRU this morning!


Well, time to go now and to be honest, I’m glad to be going home on this final flight of the weekend...




ZRH to BRU
LX778
RJ100 HB-IYV
STD-STA 9h00-10h20
Y class
seat 20A


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With only 22 pax this morning, we are set to go in no time. For this flight I deliberately violated the ‘window last row ‘ policy. It is quite apparent that these LX Avro’s have a better looking cabin than the SN ones, at least in my opinion. Legroom in the back is thus marginally better as well and there’s no nasty draught this time!






We leave our gate position a few minutes after schedule:


Passing the E terminal again on the way to 28:




The captain comes on the blower and informs us of the fact that we (= the aircraft) need to be deiced, which happens promptly. I find it very cool that these deicing trucks are remote controlled from within the crane. The whole operation goes as smooth as a Swiss watch:


HB-IPY getting the full load!


And we as well:


All done  


You see, no driver  Wow!


Departure from 28 takes place in rolling mode but too bad not ‘Bromma style’.




I’m allowed very few photo moments but after that we disappear in the murk...




...to emerge from it a few minutes later:






Service this morning consists of the following items:


Too bad there are no seconds offered on the croissants like on one of my previous Swiss flights.

Empty cabin this morning:


After an hour or so, descent is initiated. The captain even mentions our arrival runway, 2. That means an approach over the ‘Zoniënwoud’ and it’s quite a while ago since I got to arrive on this runway so extra brownie points for that one.


Brussels capital city in sight!








We touch Belgian soil 15 minutes after schedule. It’s also years ago since I arrived back in BRU before noon...


…and that means that the non-Schengen terminal is a bustling beehive:




Jet is supposed to bring back some 777’s to BRU but I haven’t seen them around yet:


Parking is as expected at the beginning of the A terminal.


I thank the crew on my way out and high speed myself to the train station only to see the train riding off in front of me. Bugger that! No better reason then to go back to the departures level and spend the last €’s of my travel budget on a Starbucks coffee.

Conclusion

Brussels Airlines provided me once again with a solid and on time flight. However, I wouldn’t use that Plusgrade upgrade system anymore. In fact, it is purely a money maker and that is of course good for the airline. An upgrade this way gives you only the benefit of free meal and drinks, early boarding, a newspaper, a seat upfront and fast lane access. No extra flexibility nor extra miles. I’d rather buy me a cheap as possible b.light ticket and spend some €’s on a drink and something to eat. En plus, if you compare the overall cabin comfort to that of Swiss’ RJ100’s, the latter gives you more and better. But hey, I do still have my soft spot for the national carrier so will I continue to fly with them? Yes!

As for Alitalia, they were a positive surprise. I didn’t have high expectations but I must admit all were met and even more. The outbound flight was most wonderful, great FA’s, good cabin comfort (when you have more than 1 seat for you  ). On the lesser side, the food was mediocre as well as the crew on the inbound. I did however have a long and nice conversation with a flight attendant in the back galley and must admit that behind the facade, they sure are all a nice bunch of motivated people with a heart for their airline.
Will I fly Alitalia again? Sure if the price is right and I’m most sure that will be the case any time soon  

Swiss is Swiss. It runs like clockwork. A carrier I always have liked and probably always will. I can’t wait when they will finally introduce the Bombardier C series as a replacement for their Avro’s. Nothing bad to say about those but this all new developed jet sure looks like a good replacement for those ageing Jumbolino’s.

A big ‘thank you’ goes to my travel companions: you guys rock   


Also my thanks to you, dear reader. Your comments are most welcome!

Sultanils


In thrust we trust.
37 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineroberts87 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2011, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11203 times:

Hello Nils,

Interesting read, thanks for posting! Although a familair story by now, still nice to read your side of the story. LX did a great job in bringing, a good carrier indeed!


User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From UK - England, joined Sep 2003, 5186 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11168 times:

Hey, N.,

well done. A real interesting follow up to you´re onwards for Japan story.
That´s the way to go, definitely.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
For FLIEGER67:

That fit´s.

Also good to see you´re success with the last row rule on LX!.

Greetings,
Markus(FLIEGER67)



Next: London City connections!.
User currently offlineWidebodyroga From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 613 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 10971 times:

Hey Nils. It seems like the return trip was as much fun as the outbound, minus the expected fatigue. I still can't believe what you guys did. You're hardcore . It's interesting how you thought that AZ was good except for the food. In my experience food is the ONLY good thing AZ has to offer, but it is no secret that the gustatory tastes of you and I have almost no overlap at all  .

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
The deck is cordoned off with a hard metal fence which has an occasional hole to put your camera through.

Well, that sucks. At least they had the holes to allow for unobstructed photos...

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
For Akhmad:

2 for knightsofmalta:

For MSS658:

2 for airbuseric:

For FLIEGER67:

For infodesk:

What, nothing for me? No Bulgaria Air in NRT.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
Again we pass the Japanese Alps, before entering the sea of Japan and the mainland of Russia:

It's so much more fun flying westwards out of Japan. For as long as the light lasts you can see a bit of Siberia, while flying eastwards offers you nothing but water in terms of views.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
A second snack is presented as well with a choice between a sandwich and onigiri

These things are the Japan Budget Travelers' dream! They are dirt cheap, generally tasty, filling and can be found everywhere in Japan. It can save you a bucket of money dining on them while in Japan. Nice (albeit cheap) touch by AZ.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
The crew also misses some not upright seats...

This is like an epidemic as of lately...

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
No comment

It still haunts you doesn't it, Nils? .

Thanks for the nice read!

Widebodyroga



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User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2302 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10731 times:

Hey Nils,

Nice to see the completed journey from you!

Again, this flight seems a more classic Alitalia--in fact, the Italians are known to be a friendly, fun-loving bunch while Alitalia is known for being the exact opposite. That said, you can't fault their prices, now can you?!

Swiss looks good as usual--I really have to try them one day. I guess I'll mix that with visiting Liechtenstein eventually 

What else to say... Hmm, nice that some of you went to see the action from the viewpoint in NRT. It's a nice way to pass the time.

And... your thoughts of FCO match mine. That place is weird and ugly... particularly the non-Schengen part, and yes, I include the G pier.

C-Series vs Avros: Yes, I'm excited for the C-Series too, but I like the Avros/146s. I don't have your vast experience with them, unfortunately  

Cheers, Nils,

And thanks for posting!

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 3):
What, nothing for me? No Bulgaria Air in NRT? .

And no TAROM or Blue Air?  


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6675 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10425 times:

Hi Nils !

Great report with great pictures !

Very nice for you to get access to the lounges and especially the shower.

Meals look okay and good that you had a great seat mate!

Looking forward to your next report!

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3372 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10317 times:

Nice report Nils! Seems you remembered a few details I forgot!

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
No Ninja shoes for me but I do buy some %u2018luck-bringing%u2019 fliers.

Ha, you should have got the ninja shoes. Are your carp "flying" yet?

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):

(O-nigiri or rice ball, is a Japanese food made from white rice formed into triangular or oval shapes and often wrapped in nori (seaweed), thank you Wikipedia ).I go for the latter which imho is revolting. Lucky for me I took some green tea to wash away the taste. Brrr!

Honestly, most onigiri are very tasty. That pickeled plum one, however, was quite revolting. I had to spit mine out.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
A muffin, mineral water and tea and lemon. Dare I say that this combo hits the spot nicely

Hmmm, looks a bit sad and lonely to me.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
I’m glad to be back in ZRH which is one of my favourite European airports. And the contrast with FCO couldn’t be bigger: it’s clean, modern and well laid out. It now also offers free wifi (as it should be!). But let’s not talk about prices at shops and eateries...

Well, of course, quailty comes at a price!



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User currently offlineSultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1789 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10157 times:

Hi folks, many thanks for your replies, much appreciated  

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 1):
Hello Nils,

Interesting read, thanks for posting!

Hi Robert, thanks man!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 2):

Hey, N.,

well done.

Hello Markus, thanks & good to see your reply here!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 2):
That fit´s.

I knew it would 

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 2):
Also good to see you´re success with the last row rule on LX!

Well, I learned it from the King of the Last Row, that is you  

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 3):
Hey Nils. It seems like the return trip was as much fun as the outbound, minus the expected fatigue.

You know, we were barely in the air and couldn’t hold my eyes open. When I woke up, there was a plate with pasta standing in front of me.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 3):
You're hardcore

No, I’m really not. There are many other a.netters around here who are much more hardcore than me. I’m just a little bit crazy but totally harmless  

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 3):
In my experience food is the ONLY good thing AZ has to offer, but it is no secret that the gustatory tastes of you and I have almost no overlap at all

You should ask my co-travellers about the food, I believe they would agree with me. And indeed, our taste buds are from a different world!

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 3):
At least they had the holes to allow for unobstructed photos...

So I made good use of those to shoot those few ‘spotter’ pics.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 3):
What, nothing for me? No Bulgaria Air in NRT?

Sorry mate, I promise I get you one next time. Bulgaria Air now flies the Jungle Jet into BRU. Maybe for a future mision of mine, who knows?

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 3):
For as long as the light lasts you can see a bit of Siberia, while flying eastwards offers you nothing but water in terms of views.

Very true, although when they ‘order’ to shut down the window blinds, there is nothing to see anymore in either direction 

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 3):
It still haunts you doesn't it, Nils?

Nah, I’m over it now   

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 4):
Hey Nils,

Nice to see the completed journey from you!

Hi Alex, thanks for your comments!

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 4):
Again, this flight seems a more classic Alitalia--in fact, the Italians are known to be a friendly, fun-loving bunch while Alitalia is known for being the exact opposite. That said, you can't fault their prices, now can you?!

Alitalia is certainly no 5* airline but they do try to offer a decent enough product. As far as I’m concerned, they succeed in this.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 4):
Swiss looks good as usual--I really have to try them one day.

You haven’t flown Swiss  Wow! I do hope you have a Swiss watch, that’s already a start  

Quoting The777Man (Reply 5):
Hi Nils !

Great report with great pictures !

Hello Lars, thank you very much!

Quoting The777Man (Reply 5):
Very nice for you to get access to the lounges and especially the shower.

Yes, thanks to my fellow travellers and status holders. It was certainly a bonus to being able to get some peace and quiet in the lounge and have a refreshing shower as well.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 5):
Meals look okay and good that you had a great seat mate!
airbuserc was a great seatmate, we had good talks, laughs and he wasn’t bothered with me visiting the toilet every 5 minutes and thus having to get out of his seat   

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 6):
Nice report Nils! Seems you remembered a few details I forgot!

Thanks Gabriel! Which ones did you forget about then? Different people pay attention to different things  

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 6):
Are your carp "flying" yet?

No, not yet 

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 6):
Honestly, most onigiri are very tasty. That pickeled plum one, however, was quite revolting. I had to spit mine out.

Ok, I trust you on that. The pickled plum one indeed was a ‘no can eat’.

Sultanils



In thrust we trust.
User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2853 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10060 times:

Hi Nils

Interesting report on a certainly unusual run, I think I´d be exhausted after such a flight. I would have loved to take on that ¨offer¨ from AZ but as it is usual with airlines, they tend to have their IT faults, and dirt cheap offers when I either have no money or a job...

You could have spend a couple of days in Tokyo, might as well.

AZ service looks to be decent, I have yet to try them, but maybe not long haul.

As for FCO, I totally agree with you, it is such a messy and crappy airport, last November I walked around it waiting for my flight back to BCN and some of the areas are so dingy, dirty and neglected, certainly not a very positive first impression for arriving PAX.

LX... well what can I say... it is my favourite carrier, decent service, relaxed, and ZRH is wonderful, oh BTW HB-IYV took me from BSL to BCN in 2008  

I am thinking on taking a daytrip BCN-GVA-BCN on LX... just cause I miss them so much hehehe.

MIAspotter.



I think, therefore I don´t fly Ryanair.
User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1415 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9940 times:

Great trip report and photos!

I don't want to piss on your parade, but I think your attitude, and that of your friend's is disgusting in regarda to 'testing' the cabin crew when they are securing the cabin. When the pre landing announcement is made, that is the crew asking you to do certain things, such as fasten your seatbelt, seat upright etc. For someone to deliberately not do something to 'test' the crew is actually against the air navigation order here in the UK. Those guys on the NRT-FCO flight will have been on duty close to 15 hours by the time they were securing the cabin into FCO. They may have had crew rest, but that is no guarantee of sleep. That kind of behavious does not help anyone, and I would actively discourage it. I am surprised that frequent fliers like yourselves don't know better.

That aside, as I said, great TR!

Kind regards

HUYfan


User currently offlineSultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1789 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9758 times:

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 8):
Hi Nils

Interesting report on a certainly unusual run, I think I´d be exhausted after such a flight.

Hello MIAspotter, thank you for your comments!

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 8):
they tend to have their IT faults, and dirt cheap offers when I either have no money or a job...

Ha ha, that’s an explanation  

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 8):
You could have spend a couple of days in Tokyo, might as well.

Indeed but my timeframes in general are very limited, hence it was a weekend trip only.

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 8):
oh BTW HB-IYV took me from BSL to BCN in 2008

Good to know!

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 8):
I am thinking on taking a daytrip BCN-GVA-BCN on LX... just cause I miss them so much hehehe.

I wonder if LX also have those affordable oneway fares bewteen this city pair?

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 9):
Great trip report and photos!

Thanks HUYfan!

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 9):
I don't want to piss on your parade, but I think your attitude, and that of your friend's is disgusting in regarda to 'testing' the cabin crew when they are securing the cabin. When the pre landing announcement is made, that is the crew asking you to do certain things, such as fasten your seatbelt, seat upright etc. For someone to deliberately not do something to 'test' the crew is actually against the air navigation order here in the UK. Those guys on the NRT-FCO flight will have been on duty close to 15 hours by the time they were securing the cabin into FCO. They may have had crew rest, but that is no guarantee of sleep. That kind of behavious does not help anyone, and I would actively discourage it. I am surprised that frequent fliers like yourselves don't know better.

You have pissed ‘on my parade’ but I don’t mind   Let me rephrase that part of the report: it was certainly not a case of ‘deliberately testing the crew on securing the cabin’. Besides, you were not there so you are in no position to judge on the circumstances. My friend and I perfectly know the rules and obligations regarding safety on an airplane and we will be the last ones to disrespect these or to not follow the crew’s orders. That said, the crew was sloppy in checking the cabin before landing, also on the outbound flight. What is for example the point in keeping the fasten seat belt sign on during practically the whole duration of the flight with passengers walking around as if it was not on at all? Nothing was said or mentioned. And the fact that they might be tired is not an argument imo. It is an important part of the crew’s job to make sure the passengers are safe at all times and this includes a thorough cabin check before landing.

Sultanils



In thrust we trust.
User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2853 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9691 times:

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 10):
Ha ha, that’s an explanation

Yup, thankfully now I have both ( a bit less of the latter) but of course... murphy´s law... no cheap deals or IT screwups.

Ah well...

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 10):
I wonder if LX also have those affordable oneway fares bewteen this city pair?

LOL, LX and LH are not very fond of one way fares... BCN-GVA-BCN for the day is just 120€, a one way will set me back 700€ :O

MIAspotter.



I think, therefore I don´t fly Ryanair.
User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9543 times:

Hi Nils,
Good to see the return journey posted. How nice of you to present a series of photos dedicated to fellow Anetters. Full marks, Sir.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
(O-nigiri (お握り or 御握り; おにぎり?), also known as o-musubi (お結び; おむすび?) or rice ball, is a Japanese food made from white rice formed into triangular or oval shapes and often wrapped in nori (seaweed), thank you Wikipedia ).

I go for the latter which imho is revolting.

Sounds dreadful. But I admit that I am biased. Give me an aromatic Indian dish or an assortment of Middle Eastern mezze and I am happy, but cold seaweed does not appeal. As the Germans would say: was der Bauer nicht kennt...  
Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
The crew is rather sloppy in checking if the cabin is secure for landing.

It is interesting to compare the attitudes displayed by crew on different airlines. Some countries seem far more "laisser aller" than others, turning a blind eye to seats not being upright, phones still in use, tables stowed or not... I recall once on a group flight in Egypt we were given boarding passes at the airport that bore no resemblance to any of our names. I became a Dr Elizabeth Wilson for the flight! Insha'Allah. LOL But I would expect some attention to detail from an airline based in the EU.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
We leave our gate position a few minutes after schedule:

Having just read Planehunter's report and now your's, I am almost convinced that the Swiss have adopted Italian time.   

Thanks for presenting the photos showing the de-icing procedure. That isn't something we see much, here at PER.  

Anyway, it is good to hear that you eventually made it back safely.

Best wishes,

Roy / Quokka


User currently offlineakhmad From Netherlands, joined Sep 2005, 2500 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9461 times:

Haai Nils,

Morning workout at the gym, cleaning, laundry, what to do next on this snowy day off of mine? Oh yes, reading your Japan adventure!   


Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
For Akhmad:

Aaw, ありがとうございます!   


Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
you can buy an upgrade to the Classica Plus cabin (Y+) for the sum of € 150 oneway
Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
Alas, the upgrade costs some € 2250 more

OMG, that’s totally out of proportion!   


Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
airbuseric is able to guest me and gabrielchew through the fast lane.

  


Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
a Japanese FA

Good to learn AZ also employs Japanese FA’s for Japan routes.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
He also does his welcome speech in - at least in my perception - fluent Japanese.

Wow! Where does the captain come from? Italy?

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
‘pasta’ or ‘Japanese’

two appropriate meal choices for the route.  


Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
airbuseric challenges me for a game of Tetris but it’s clear that he’s no match for me

You won?   


Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
I go for the latter which imho is revolting.

Shame! I love お握り.  


Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
Legroom in the back is thus marginally better

and roomier thanks to 2-3 arrangement.


Grazie!. It was so kind of you to think of all of us out there in Japan.  

Suryo  



Friends forever
User currently offlineinfodesk From Switzerland, joined May 2006, 1466 posts, RR: 33
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8995 times:

Hi Nils,

Great to read the seconf part of your Japanese adventure. I bet you were kanckered when you got home!

My opinion on AZ hasn't changed from your first report. I really don't think I'd have fared too well with the food. I'm disappointed to read about the crew not securing the cabin properly before arrival. Is it just me, or am I reading more and more cases of this here on airliners?

I'm glad you had two enjoyable flights on LX & that you like ZRH so much. It's always great to hear such feedback.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
For infodesk:

Dank u wel!

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
Now on the Alitalia website is a mention that you can buy an upgrade to the Classica Plus cabin (Y+) for the sum of € 150 oneway. Sounds reasonable for us, so we enquire. Alas, the upgrade costs some € 2250 more so no dice this time. I

Crikey, that's a bit of a difference.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
I decide to wait for a better seat and meanwhile ask a Japanese FA if there are per chance any empty rows or rows with the middle seat free. She gets the passenger list from the back galley and confirms that yes! there is one empty row, 41 on the right side

Very kind of her. She must have been charmed by so many friendly gentlemen  
Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
The way to the hotel goes through quite some meters of these unpleasant walkways:

Looks quite horrible.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
A muffin, mineral water and tea and lemon. Dare I say that this combo hits the spot nicely

Be thankful you didn't get the pain au chocolat. It's like eating lead.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
No comment

Edelweiss is following you.....

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
It now also offers free wifi (as it should be!). But let’s not talk about prices at shops and eateries...

Free wifi only since 1.1.13, a well needed move. Yes, the restaurants are dear, but I found the prices even higher on my recent trip to VIE.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
Now where’s that infodesk? Oh yes, I remember! It is on holiday and is supposed to arrive later today. Bugger that, I’ll have to fill in my remaining time here on my own...”

Yes, it was busy fitting M&S goodies in its suitcase.....Never mind, I'm sure it'll be 3rd time lucky for a meeting. It's not always on holiday you know  
Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
Too bad there are no seconds offered on the croissants like on one of my previous Swiss flights.

Shame, usually there are when the plane is so lightly loaded.

I'm sure you guys had a blast. Thanks for sharing it with us.

Happy flying
Infodesk   



"Do nothing in haste, look well to each step and from the beginning think what may be the end" - Edward Whymper
User currently offlineSultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1789 posts, RR: 30
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8435 times:

@ MIAspotter:

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 11):
no cheap deals or IT screwups.

Trust me, there will be sooner or later. It’s AZ we’re talking about here 

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 11):
BCN-GVA-BCN for the day is just 120€

That’s quite a decent deal. LX has started not too long ago to offer decent ‘cheap’ oneways (ie € 49) to a selection of destinations ex-GVA to compete with EZY. Nice is among them for example.

@ Quokkas:

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 12):

Hi Nils,
Good to see the return journey posted.

Hi Roy, equally good to see you posting a reply, much appreciated!

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 12):
How nice of you to present a series of photos dedicated to fellow Anetters. Full marks, Sir.

Thanks, and sorry I have none for you. What’s your airline of preference  

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 12):
Some countries seem far more "laisser aller" than others, turning a blind eye to seats not being upright, phones still in use, tables stowed or not...

Indeed and there’s nothing wrong with that as long as there are no compromises regarding safety.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 12):
Having just read Planehunter's report and now your's, I am almost convinced that the Swiss have adopted Italian time.

‘Why do today what can be done tomorrow?’ Although I don’t think this is an appropriate saying in the airline industry.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 12):
That isn't something we see much, here at PER.

In BRU neither. I find it a fascinating thing to watch although I can imagine that our Nordic a.netters couldn’t care less about it. It only adds up to delays.

@ akhmad:

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
Haai Nils,

Haai to you too!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
OMG, that’s totally out of proportion!

Indeed. I guess the € 150 offer is only for flights originating in Italy and when bought at the desk.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
Good to learn AZ also employs Japanese FA’s for Japan routes.

I learned they deploy 2 Japanese speaking crew on each flight to Japan. Japanese Japanese they were. All announcements were also made in fluent Japanese. No wonder when you see that 95% of the load consists of Japan residents.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
Wow! Where does the captain come from? Italy?

He was at the door during disembarking and he didn’t look Japanese to me. Perhaps he has a Japanese wife  

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
two appropriate meal choices for the route.

And 2 obvious ones as well. I’m not a food adventurer so I chose the safer one.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
You won?

Take a close look at the pic, that answers your question  

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
and roomier thanks to 2-3 arrangement.

Actually it is 3-3  

@ infodesk:

Quoting infodesk (Reply 14):
Hi Nils,

Great to read the seconf part of your Japanese adventure.

Hi Hannah, great to see your reply here, many thanks for that.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 14):
I bet you were kanckered when you got home!

No, in fact I was quite OK. I had a decent 8h sleep at the Hilton. No wonder, for that price...

Quoting infodesk (Reply 14):
Is it just me, or am I reading more and more cases of this here on airliners?

It’s not you. I do feel it’s more of an Italian attitude, ‘laisser faire’ like Quokkas puts it...

Quoting infodesk (Reply 14):
I'm glad you had two enjoyable flights on LX & that you like ZRH so much. It's always great to hear such feedback.

I have a sweet spot for your national carrier as well. All very enjoyable flights I’ve had with them and the pricing is usually acceptable as well.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 14):
Dank u wel!

Graag gedaan!

Quoting infodesk (Reply 14):
She must have been charmed by so many friendly gentlemen

And she wanted to deliver a good service   

Quoting infodesk (Reply 14):
Be thankful you didn't get the pain au chocolat. It's like eating lead.

Hey, nothing better than a pain au chocolat on Sunday morning. Yummy!

Quoting infodesk (Reply 14):
Yes, it was busy fitting M&S goodies in its suitcase.....Never mind, I'm sure it'll be 3rd time lucky for a meeting. It's not always on holiday you know

I know but I couldn’t talk about ZRH and not mention the infodesk where usually the party’s at  

Quoting infodesk (Reply 14):
Shame, usually there are when the plane is so lightly loaded.

I hoped for that, yes, but no 

Sultanils



In thrust we trust.
User currently offlineBZNPilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2006, 264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7972 times:

Hi Sultanils,

A truly great report (as expected) from you. I enjoyed both the photo and written parts very much, which combined to make an entertaining and informative review of your travels. And this 'mistake' fare that you got really seems to have been a great opportunity to log some interesting flights, and an interesting destination in Tokyo, if only for a few hours.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
While FlyingFinn76 decides to stay airside and airbuseric wants to do some shopping, it is gabrielchew, tobbry and I who go outside to the observation deck to see some action.


Great that NRT has such an observation deck. Always appreciated among us aviation fans.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
The deck is cordoned off with a hard metal fence which has an occasional hole to put your camera through.

Nice of them to have thought of that.   Spotter friendly!

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
No Ninja shoes for me but I do buy some ‘luck-bringing’ fliers.

An interesting set of souvenirs there... 
Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
I decide to wait for a better seat and meanwhile ask a Japanese FA if there are per chance any empty rows or rows with the middle seat free. She gets the passenger list from the back galley and confirms that yes! there is one empty row, 41 on the right side. But that’s it. Before any other pax can take advantage of this, I take the window seat and airbuseric the aisle seat. Perfect! Unfortunately, FlyingFinn76 and gabrielchew have to do with an aisle seat in a full row of 3.

Nice of the FA to help you out with that! Glad you got a nice setup there. Too bad for FlyingFinn76 and gabrielchew, though.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
The captain announces the flying time as a lengthy 12h35 mins, as opposed to under 12h on the way here. He also does his welcome speech in - at least in my perception - fluent Japanese.

Wow, was he a Japanese or Italian national, could you tell based on the other announcements? Either way, it's impressive. I have had a few experiences with American captains (not meaning AA, but rather US nationals flying UA and DL) operating flights to/from Germany and giving the addresses in German as well as English. There was a definite American accent in the German announcments, but it was obvious that they had a good command of German. Always nice to have a truly multilingual crew, from the front of the plane to the back.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
After a few gentle turns we level off, next stop Rome:

I always find it amazing to think about a big piece of metal lifting off the ground, making a few course corrections while flying for hours and hours and hours, and then setting down again on a narrow strip of pavement on the other side of the world...and that happening on a daily basis with hundreds if not thousands of flights. Your description of the departure sequence seemed to really highlight the wonder of modern aviation, at least for me.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
I also complete watching ‘Madagascar 2’ and ‘How to train a dragon’. The tiny screens have a bad resolution which makes watching quite tiresome.

Tiny screens with bad resolution are really annoying. I hate to say it, but in some of United's older 767s in economy class, the screens are so tiny and have such bad resolution that I actually prefer the overhead monitors or nothing at all.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
Due to the fact that we travel against the time, it gets dark, it lightens up again and gets dark for a second time. Quite cool but pretty confusing!

It's a cool thing to experience. Once I flew FRA-ORD on UA, in January, departing on the early 08:00 flight. At takeoff, it was dawn; then the sun caught up with us, although we were flying west, and it was daylight as we were in the 2nd and 3rd hours of flight. However, we were also going north in a great circle route, so by the time we hit Greenland 4 hours into the flight, the sun had disappeared below the horizon. We stayed in a sort of twilight zone while over Greenland, and then as we turned southwest, the sun rose again.Upon landing in Chicago, it was the middle of the day. It was pretty neat to see the sun rise, set, and rise again all within the span of a few hours. Sounds like you had an equally cool experience!

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
The way to the hotel goes through quite some meters of these unpleasant walkways:

Those do look unpleasant...Not really the best example of Italian fashion, I suppose.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):

As the flight is relatively short, the brekkie service is started asap. A muffin, mineral water and tea and lemon. Dare I say that this combo hits the spot nicely

Looks like a very nice offering!

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
Slowly but steady The Darkness makes way for The Daylight:

Always a beautiful thing to experience in the air.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
I’m glad to be back in ZRH which is one of my favourite European airports. And the contrast with FCO couldn’t be bigger: it’s clean, modern and well laid out. It now also offers free wifi (as it should be!). But let’s not talk about prices at shops and eateries...

Ahh Switzerland...many good things, some of which come at a price! 
Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
Too bad there are no seconds offered on the croissants like on one of my previous Swiss flights.

Too bad, indeed. I'm surprised they didn't offer that given the light passenger load.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
I thank the crew on my way out and high speed myself to the train station only to see the train riding off in front of me. Bugger that! No better reason then to go back to the departures level and spend the last €’s of my travel budget on a Starbucks coffee.

Too bad about the timing. At least you could get some caffeine.  
Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
An upgrade this way gives you only the benefit of free meal and drinks, early boarding, a newspaper, a seat upfront and fast lane access. No extra flexibility nor extra miles. I’d rather buy me a cheap as possible b.light ticket and spend some €’s on a drink and something to eat.

Agreed. The b.light ticket suits me just fine, and the cost of some food and a drink on a short flight (if indeed I want that) is more than worth the price of the cheaper ticket.
Thanks for the excellent trip report, Sultanils! It was definitely one of the best reads on the forum, and a great account of a trip that was truly a great deal. Looking forward to your future reports.

All the best,
BZNPilot


User currently offlineROGERBCN From Andorra, joined Sep 2006, 1209 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7718 times:

Hola Nils!

I have finally found the time to reply to your TR featuring your quick visit to Japan. I have really enjoyed going through it, thanks!

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
Now on the Alitalia website is a mention that you can buy an upgrade to the Classica Plus cabin (Y+) for the sum of € 150 oneway.

     

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
Alas, the upgrade costs some € 2250 more so no dice this time.

Well, you had already had your bargain with AZ, hadn't you?

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
Another big thanks to my fellow travellers to guest me in. Definitely a nice place with excellent apron views and - as important - very good showering facilities

It is always nice to travel qith such a good company...

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
(O-nigiri (お握り or 御握り; おにぎり?), also known as o-musubi (お結び; おむすび?) or rice ball, is a Japanese food made from white rice formed into triangular or oval shapes and often wrapped in nori (seaweed), thank you Wikipedia   ). I go for the latter which imho is revolting. Lucky for me I took some green tea to wash away the taste. Brrr!

I remember the first time I saw them, I thought of the triangular cheese pieces of 'La Vache Qui Rit'. Obviously not.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
Due to the fact that we travel against the time, it gets dark, it lightens up again and gets dark for a second time. Quite cool but pretty confusing!

Cool, so many sunsets and sunrises in a single flight.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
Too bad there are no seconds offered on the croissants like on one of my previous Swiss flights.

That's disappointing. They were maybe lazy on that particular Sunday.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
Will I fly Alitalia again? Sure if the price is right and I’m most sure that will be the case any time soon

Count me in!

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
I can’t wait when they will finally introduce the Bombardier C series as a replacement for their Avro’s

Count me in, too on that one. I have seen them so many times advertised on LX magazine that I am really looking forward to flying them. They look sharp on LX colors.

Salut!

Roger



"At reise er at leve" H.C. Andersen (Travelling is Living)
User currently offlineMSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2474 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7595 times:

Hello Nils

Great to see the return voyage online as well. I still envy you guys for doing this. Especially in the cramped 777
Great catch on managing the last 3-seater on the plane!
LX legs look good as well, especially the half full Avro. I must agree that LX's is better than SN's version.
The name Skyclub is actually from the old 'Northwest Airlines World Club''

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
For MSS658:

Thanks

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
A319 HB-IPX

Flew her between NCE and ZRH back in 2006


Greetings
Marc



Next trip report: Well worn A330s and Hassle free MUC transfer
User currently offlineadamspotter From Netherlands, joined Feb 2011, 1177 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7446 times:
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Hi Nils,

Thought I might as well read the return journey right away. Once again an enjoyable report with many nice pictures!
Shame your return journey wasn't as nice as the outbound, the food doesn't look all too good IMHO.. That Japanese snack sure sounds revolting!
SWISS looks like the usual, nice and pleasant  
Stayed at the Hilton FCO myself back in December, wasn't impressed at all either.. That long walkway to the airport is interesting to stay the least..

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
Alas, the upgrade costs some %u20AC 2250 more so no dice this time

Wow, 2250 more for an upgrade to Y+?

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
No comment

What a beautiful livery 
Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
Service this morning consists of the following items

Did it hit the spot nicely?

Thanks once again!

cheers,

Brendan


User currently offlineIdeekay From Switzerland, joined Jun 2012, 213 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7338 times:

Hi Nils,

Thank you for posting your little "adventure"! Nice pictures aswell, I enjoyed reading it.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):

The folks up front give some more flight info on our arrival into ZRH. Snow is forecast thus delaying a bit the arriving and departing traffic. Our arrival route is a circuitous one, taking us over the Zürichsee:

Well I can locate my house down there. On nice summer days I can do spotting from my balcony  

Greets
Ideekay


User currently offlineKnightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1843 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7272 times:

Hi Nils

Thanks for the interesting report on your return to Europe with Alitalia. First of all Nils, let me just say that your title photos are always simply a work of art, honestly. I really like the style!

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
2 for knightsofmalta:

Cheers mate!

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
No Ninja shoes for me but I do buy some ‘luck-bringing’ fliers.

Pity, those split toes thingies look rather funky!

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
The captain announces the flying time as a lengthy 12h35 mins, as opposed to under 12h on the way here. He also does his welcome speech in - at least in my perception - fluent Japanese.

I had a guy do that on Swiss once. In the beginning I couldn't figure out what was going on until I realised he was speaking Japanese.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
onigiri

I love Onigiri. Whenever I go to Japan it's become a ritual that I get myself a cooked salmon onigiri before I get on the Narita Express.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
I go for the latter which imho is revolting. Lucky for me I took some green tea to wash away the taste. Brrr!

Blimey, you really have to make an effort to screw up with onigiri. Or perhaps you had one with those salty sour plums? Those take getting used to.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
During my walk there I can’t help but noticing what a mess of an airport FCO actually is: it’s dirty, old and generally unpleasant.

Hear hear! You sure the cleaners weren't on strike? They seem to be at least once a week. The last time I passed through FCO they staged a sit in. Not only did they stop emtying the dust bins but they also intentionally spread the rubbish all over the floor. The place stank to high heaven and looked accordingly. FCO is a hovel!

I very much enjoyed reading about your escapades on Alitalia. It looks as though you had a good time. So where are you off to next? Thanks for posting!

Cheers,
William


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6944 posts, RR: 77
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6964 times:

Hi Nils,

great report with many nice pictures! AZ doesn't look bad once again.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
I try to shoot some more or less decent shots with my pocket camera:

Nice shots! But where's the dedication to PH? He has been on LX A343, CO&UA 777, LH A346 and SQ A380...  

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
Alas, the upgrade costs some € 2250 more so no dice this time. I guess it’ll only be ex-Italia?

I guess that was the price for you guys only after getting these tickets for free more or less...  

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
The grissini snack and a drink first, followed a while later by a hot meal and another drink of choice. The choices are again ‘pasta’ or ‘Japanese’. I go for the pasta while my seatmate airbuseric is in favour of the Japanese meal (which turns out to be fish):

It doesn't look bad, though.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
I go for the latter which imho is revolting. Lucky for me I took some green tea to wash away the taste. Brrr!

Ah, sounds bad!

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
The crew is rather sloppy in checking if the cabin is secure for landing. airbuseric tests the crew on this and they fail twice in detecting his unfastened seat belt. Of course airbuseric fastens his one immediately thereafter The crew also misses some not upright seats...

There's no excuse for not checking all these things properly.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
I’m delighted to see that Swiss decided to transport me in the *A Avro to BRU this morning!

Ah, was that your first flight on a LX Avro? I was hoping to get a Star Alliance bird three times, but failed three times...

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
It is quite apparent that these LX Avro’s have a better looking cabin than the SN ones, at least in my opinion.

And LX has just five seats in a row.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineCaptainRed From Germany, joined Oct 2010, 720 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6936 times:

Hi Nils,

another nice story here, good to read about your return flight on this crazy trip. Great pictures as well. And as I already wrote on Gabriel's report I find it quite cool that you actually cleared immigration in Japan for just a few hours. Probably got you a nice stamp in the passport   ...

And a nice way to end such a trip with two flights with Swiss, really good service here, just as expected from this airline.

Greetings
CaptainRed


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27337 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6847 times:

Hey Nils  

Great ending to a crazy journey  

Glad you got the lounge in NRT ok . Well done on getting the row 41 with Eric. Id say you were so so tired and it really made a difference than being crushed in .

Nice to end on an LX good note .

Regards

Philip  


User currently offlinereifel From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 1384 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6813 times:

Hi Nils,

thanks for sharing the second part. Come on, you travelled to Japan and had no other japanese food than the little Snack? You should have taken the japanese option, at least out of NRT   It was to be expected that the italian option would be quite a let down   I used my time in KIX to have some Japanese food in a landside airport restaurant  

Yes, FCO airport isn't too nice, but I wouldn't call it revolting. In some areas not worse than i.e. FRA. I hate the lot of bus boardings however. But especially in the A-Area intraschengen you can be in for some fast and easy transfering. The only grip is that it's often very overcrowded, badly signed at the airside transit passport check (the right lanes for EU citizens are often not visible at the beginning of the lanes) and the long walking.

What I really call revolting is MXP airport. Such a disgrace of an airport. Does not even have transfer desks...


User currently offlineSultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1789 posts, RR: 30
Reply 26, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6738 times:

Hi folks, many thanks to you all for taking the time to leave a comment!

@ BZNPilot

Quoting BZNPilot (Reply 16):
Hi Sultanils,

A truly great report (as expected) from you.

Hi BZNPilot, good to hear from you, I’m most glad you enjoyed the report. And thanks for your extensive reply!

Quoting BZNPilot (Reply 16):
Great that NRT has such an observation deck. Always appreciated among us aviation fans.

I’m not really into spotting but NRT is quite different from BRU concerning the amount of WB’s and it was great to watch all these ‘from far away’ airlines taking off.

Quoting BZNPilot (Reply 16):
Spotter friendly

The holes are good, but no fence would even be better!

Quoting BZNPilot (Reply 16):
Nice of the FA to help you out with that! Glad you got a nice setup there.
Quoting BZNPilot (Reply 16):
Wow, was he a Japanese or Italian national,

The cpt was at the door when disembarking and while looks can certainly be deceiving, he looked like an all-Italian guy. Married to a Japanese maybe?

Quoting BZNPilot (Reply 16):
Your description of the departure sequence seemed to really highlight the wonder of modern aviation, at least for me.

It almost sounds lyrical, doesn’t it  

Quoting BZNPilot (Reply 16):
that I actually prefer the overhead monitors or nothing at all.

Oh no, these things are generally worse and hardly visible as well. No, from this moment on, I take my own IFE as well in the form of a tablet stuffed with apps. Very modern 

Quoting BZNPilot (Reply 16):
Sounds like you had an equally cool experience!

Yeah, that weather thing is quite intriguing to watch... if the window blinds are open...

Quoting BZNPilot (Reply 16):
Looks like a very nice offering!

It was vertainly not bad but I might have prefered a ‘pain au chocolat’ iso a muffin at this time of the morning.

Quoting BZNPilot (Reply 16):
I'm surprised they didn't offer that given the light passenger load.

I’m sure they would’ve handed me one if I’d asked for it though.

Quoting BZNPilot (Reply 16):
Agreed. The b.light ticket suits me just fine, and the cost of some food and a drink on a short flight (if indeed I want that) is more than worth the price of the cheaper ticket.

My opinion as well. But a nice surprise happened afterwards, I got 10x the miles that I was entitled too, a mistake I guess.

Quoting BZNPilot (Reply 16):
Thanks for the excellent trip report, Sultanils! It was definitely one of the best reads on the forum, and a great account of a trip that was truly a great deal. Looking forward to your future reports.

Thank you, I’m flattered  

@ ROGERBCN

Quoting ROGERBCN (Reply 17):
Hola Nils!

Hola Roger!

Quoting ROGERBCN (Reply 17):
I have really enjoyed going through it, thanks!

Good to hear you liked it!

Quoting ROGERBCN (Reply 17):
Well, you had already had your bargain with AZ, hadn't you?

True but what’s better than 1 bargain? 2 bargains!

Quoting ROGERBCN (Reply 17):
I thought of the triangular cheese pieces of 'La Vache Qui Rit'.

Ha ha, good comparison but not quite an appropriate one.

Quoting ROGERBCN (Reply 17):
They were maybe lazy on that particular Sunday.

It was rather me I guess because I could’ve asked and that certainly would’ve yielded me a second one.

Quoting ROGERBCN (Reply 17):
Count me in!

Sure, you’re most welcome!

Quoting ROGERBCN (Reply 17):
They look sharp on LX colors.

And finally Bombardier coming with an all new model, quite exciting.

@ MSS658

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 18):

Hello Nils

Hallo Marc!

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 18):
Great to see the return voyage online as well. I still envy you guys for doing this. Especially in the cramped 777

Thanks, but the 777 was not cramped for me in anyway though, I had plenty of ‘personal space’ on both legs luckily.

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 18):
Great catch on managing the last 3-seater on the plane!

Yes, it was a cooperative effort of the Dutch and Belgians lol!

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 18):
LX legs look good as well, especially the half full Avro.

They certainly were and the Avro was only 22% full  
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Quoting MSS658 (Reply 18):
I must agree that LX's is better than SN's version.

  

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 18):
The name Skyclub is actually from the old 'Northwest Airlines World Club''

Thanks for pointing that out. I was more refering to the abundant view of DL planes outside, hence the name.

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 18):
Thanks

No worries!

@ adamspotter

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 19):

Hi Nils,

Hi Brendan.

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 19):
Once again an enjoyable report with many nice pictures!

Thanks, I’m glad you liked it.

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 19):
Wow, 2250 more for an upgrade to Y+?

Good math and yes indeed, quite expensive ain’t it but expected when bought at this short notice.

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 19):
What a beautiful livery

Oh shut up 

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 19):
Did it hit the spot nicely?

It did! I forgot to mention that?

@ Ideekay

Quoting Ideekay (Reply 20):

Hi Nils,

Thank you for posting your little "adventure"! Nice pictures aswell, I enjoyed reading it.

Hello Ideekay, thank you for taking the time to comment!

Quoting Ideekay (Reply 20):
Well I can locate my house down there. On nice summer days I can do spotting from my balcony

I’ll    next time, OK  

@ knightsofmalta

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 21):
Hi Nils

Hello William, how are you?

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 21):

Thanks for the interesting report on your return to Europe with Alitalia.

No problem, the pleasure was all mine.

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 21):
First of all Nils, let me just say that your title photos are always simply a work of art, honestly. I really like the style!

Thank you. I always try to open my reports nowaydays with a slightly enhanced and eyecatching opening pic. Sort of a teaser so people would like to read what’s next.

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 21):
Cheers mate!

Prosit!

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 21):
Pity, those split toes thingies look rather funky!

But the Japanese have such small feet!

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 21):
Or perhaps you had one with those salty sour plums? Those take getting used to.

I indeed got such an example, it wasn’t edible...

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 21):
You sure the cleaners weren't on strike? They seem to be at least once a week. The last time I passed through FCO they staged a sit in. Not only did they stop emtying the dust bins but they also intentionally spread the rubbish all over the floor. The place stank to high heaven and looked accordingly. FCO is a hovel!

The cleaners were - apparently - not on strike. But I was there in the evening. And it’s not only the inside of the airport but also the outside landside. Not a good impression at all...

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 21):
It looks as though you had a good time. So where are you off to next?

I really had a great trip, just for the trip this time. Next is to the MAN meet, the first weekend of April, care to join? Look here: A.net Meeting In Manchester 05/04->08/04 (by MSS658 Jan 29 2013 in Non Aviation)

@ PlaneHunter

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 22):
Hi Nils,

Hello PH!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 22):
great report with many nice pictures!

Thank you, good to hear you liked it.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 22):
But where's the dedication to PH? He has been on LX A343, CO&UA 777, LH A346 and SQ A380...

I’m so sorry. You could’ve been on any or all of these as well. I’ll make it up to you  

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 22):
I guess that was the price for you guys only after getting these tickets for free more or less...

Ha ha, it was a punishment of the Gods, yes! If it was € 150, I’m sure I would’ve taken the upgrade for sure!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 22):
There's no excuse for not checking all these things properly.

There indeed is none.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 22):
Ah, was that your first flight on a LX Avro?

No, I’ve had a few flights with them last year: ZRH-LYS-ZRH.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 22):
I was hoping to get a Star Alliance bird three times, but failed three times...

Too bad. I usually have the same problem but was lucky this time finally! But I’m sure you have flown on 1 or several other *A birds from other carriers?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 22):
And LX has just five seats in a row.

Same as SN  

@ CaptainRed

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 23):

Hi Nils,

Hello Captain.

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 23):
another nice story here, good to read about your return flight on this crazy trip.

Thanks, good to hear you liked it!

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 23):
And as I already wrote on Gabriel's report I find it quite cool that you actually cleared immigration in Japan for just a few hours. Probably got you a nice stamp in the passport

Cool, ain’t it   Indeed a nice stamp in my new passport. Don’t know however when the next stamp will appear in it...

@ OA260

Quoting OA260 (Reply 24):
Hey Nils

Hey Philip, how are you?

Quoting OA260 (Reply 24):
Great ending to a crazy journey

Thanks and as you say: a crazy journey indeed.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 24):
Glad you got the lounge in NRT ok . Well done on getting the row 41 with Eric. Id say you were so so tired and it really made a difference than being crushed in .

Eric was the best seatmate, had good talks and laughs. That made time pass by quickly.

@ reifel

Quoting reifel (Reply 25):
Hi Nils,

thanks for sharing the second part.

Hi reifel, thank you for your reply!

Quoting reifel (Reply 25):
Come on, you travelled to Japan and had no other japanese food than the little Snack?

No nothing else. To be honest, I’m no food lover let alone food adventurer...

Quoting reifel (Reply 25):
You should have taken the japanese option, at least out of NRT It was to be expected that the italian option would be quite a let down

I always stay with the ‘safe’ option, in the meaning of ‘things I might like to eat’. Not in any sense does that say anything about the quality of course  

Quoting reifel (Reply 25):
Yes, FCO airport isn't too nice, but I wouldn't call it revolting. In some areas not worse than i.e. FRA. I hate the lot of bus boardings however. But especially in the A-Area intraschengen you can be in for some fast and easy transfering. The only grip is that it's often very overcrowded, badly signed at the airside transit passport check (the right lanes for EU citizens are often not visible at the beginning of the lanes) and the long walking.

What I really call revolting is MXP airport. Such a disgrace of an airport. Does not even have transfer desks...

My feelings are opposite. I prefer MXP over FCO after what’ I’ve seen from both airports. But I’m sure you have seen more than I have  

Sultanils



In thrust we trust.
User currently offlinepalmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1224 posts, RR: 17
Reply 27, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6495 times:

Hi Nils

Great to read about your return trip on AZ from NRT. Nice pics of the journey too.

I am sure it would have been fun to travel with fellow trip reporters - I've only done that once (with AlwaysOnAPlane) and unbeknown to me at the time, BA319-131 ! Well, I think you remember the circumstances....

AZ looked pretty good actually despite the food options not being all that enticing. However, these days, getting any kind of food onboard which is not separately BOB seems quite generous!

Nice to see your shots from the observation deck at NRT. That's a really cool place hey? I was there in Sept 2007 and the Japanese are simply amazing when it comes to providing first class facilities for people interested in watching the planes. As you said, there are lots of spotters there with some amazingly (expensive) camera equipment!

Thanks again - Palmjet



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User currently offlinejwhite9185 From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 1405 posts, RR: 4
Reply 28, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6406 times:

Nice conclusion there Nils. Must get out to that observation deck at NRT at some point. It's on the cards for later in the year, providing I actually save up some money rather than keep spending it!!

Interesting that FCO is a little run down - MXP gave me the same impression back in October when I was there. Must be an Italian thing!

Interesting to read your thoughts on the LX Avro compared to the SN example. Still a little frustrated I didn't get to try one out a few months ago after being shoved on to an all too common A319.



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User currently offlineSultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1789 posts, RR: 30
Reply 29, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6265 times:

@ palmjet:

Quoting palmjet (Reply 27):

Hi Nils

Hello pj, how are you doing?

Quoting palmjet (Reply 27):
Great to read about your return trip on AZ from NRT. Nice pics of the journey too.

Thanks, I'm happy you liked it  

Quoting palmjet (Reply 27):
Well, I think you remember the circumstances...

I remember perfectly. You both became living legends and the story will be told an re-told and... 

Quoting palmjet (Reply 27):
However, these days, getting any kind of food onboard which is not separately BOB seems quite generous!

So true. It's of course expected on a longhaul flight to be fed and watered but someday I think we will have to pay for our longhaul meals as well...

Quoting palmjet (Reply 27):
That's a really cool place hey?

It really is. Packed with widebody action right in front of you.

@ jwhite9185:

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 28):
Nice conclusion there Nils.

Thanks mate!

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 28):
providing I actually save up some money rather than keep spending it!

Stop buying cars  

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 28):
Must be an Italian thing!

I guess it is although my impressions of MXP were slightly better than those of FCO but I haven't been outside in MXP as well so I may be biased...

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 28):
Still a little frustrated I didn't get to try one out a few months ago after being shoved on to an all too common A319.

You'll have to hurry for both types to be logged since LX is taking in the Bombardier C series as a launch customer and SN is also looking for replacements for their Avro's.

Sultanils



In thrust we trust.
User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 30, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5897 times:

Hello Nils!

Good to read about your return journey from Japan, good story as usual!

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
Takeoff is pretty much how it has to be on a 777, fast and furious

I still have to experience that!

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
The crew also misses some not upright seats...

That's very annoying.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
It now also offers free wifi (as it should be!). But let’s not talk about prices at shops and eateries...

Haha, that reminds me very much of Arlanda!

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
I can’t wait when they will finally introduce the Bombardier C series as a replacement for their Avro’s.

I am too looking forward to the introduction of C-Series. I'm sure it will be a great machine.

Martin


User currently offlinesultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1789 posts, RR: 30
Reply 31, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5583 times:

@ deltamartin:

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 30):
Hello Nils!

Hi Martin, thanks for your comments.

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 30):
Good to read about your return journey from Japan, good story as usual!

Thank you!

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 30):
I still have to experience that!

You mean a flight on a 777 or a powerful takeoff  

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 30):
Haha, that reminds me very much of Arlanda!

Does ARN also have free wifi nowadays? And yeah, I know prices can be high there as well 

Sultanils



In thrust we trust.
User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 32, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5473 times:

Hi again, Nils!

Quoting sultanils (Reply 31):
You mean a flight on a 777 or a powerful takeoff

A Triple Seven flight. I'm not in a rush though, the plane is likely to be around for a while!

Quoting sultanils (Reply 31):
Does ARN also have free wifi nowadays? And yeah, I know prices can be high there as well

Yep, free WiFi on all Swedavia airports nowadays which is quite neat.  

Martin


User currently offlineSultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1789 posts, RR: 30
Reply 33, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5011 times:

@ deltamartin:

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 32):
A Triple Seven flight.

I'm a bit amazed to see you haven't flown any T7 yet  Wow!

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 32):
Yep, free WiFi on all Swedavia airports nowadays which is quite neat.

Quite neat indeed. I wish thaat was the case in every airport...

Sultanils



In thrust we trust.
User currently offlineflightsimboy From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1344 posts, RR: 5
Reply 34, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4866 times:
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Hi Nils,

Sorry to be reading this inbound trip before the outbound. Quite an interesting report and what better way to end it other than with Swiss.

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
While FlyingFinn76 decides to stay airside and airbuseric wants to do some shopping, it is gabrielchew, tobbry and I who go outside to the observation deck to see some action.
Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
For Akhmad:
Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
Security is next and airbuseric is able to guest me and gabrielchew through the fast lane. Thanks again for that!
Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
Before any other pax can take advantage of this, I take the window seat and airbuseric the aisle seat. Perfect!
Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
Here’s the observatory deck where we were some hours ago:

How nice that you had so many a.netters with you, as well as some in spirit  . Glad you could all spend sometime on the observation deck!!

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
And there we go, another full day in a plane
Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
Due to the fact that we travel against the time, it gets dark, it lightens up again and gets dark for a second time. Quite cool but pretty confusing!

Believe me sometimes it feels like two days in a plane, especially on those long hauls that take +14 hours!!

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
Takeoff is pretty much how it has to be on a 777, fast and furious

Ooh I love the shadow of the beast!

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):

After finishing the meal, the trash is gathered and the cabin further prepared for arrival. The crew is rather sloppy in checking if the cabin is secure for landing. airbuseric tests the crew on this and they fail twice in detecting his unfastened seat belt. Of course airbuseric fastens his one immediately thereafter The crew also misses some not upright seats...

I have to indicate here that EY takes their safety very seriously. The FA's are very careful in checking the belts and seats are upright before landing. Maybe Airbuseric needs to fly them someday just to grade them on their safety aspect!

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
After a solid 8 hours of sleep, the alarm wakes me at 5 in the morning. A shower later I’m already more human than human

Always nice to break the journey and take a shower!

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
Don’t forget this most important item on any Swiss flight:
Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
I’m glad to be back in ZRH which is one of my favourite European airports
Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
Swiss is Swiss. It runs like clockwork

Ah Swiss! How glad I am to have flown you and transferred to Zurich in the past!

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
Good to see a recent flight map in working order here:

That flight map makes one feel like it was space travel lol

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):

“Now where’s that infodesk? Oh yes, I remember! It is on holiday and is supposed to arrive later today. Bugger that, I’ll have to fill in my remaining time here on my own...”

Ah yes, who can pass the opportunity not to meet infodesk!!

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
I’m delighted to see that Swiss decided to transport me in the *A Avro to BRU this morning!

What a cute little thing

Quoting Sultanils (Thread starter):
Jet is supposed to bring back some 777’s to BRU but I haven’t seen them around yet:

Ah the Jet Airways A332s arriving daily from Brussels into Toronto. What a delight it will be to see them upgrade it to the 777 someday!!


User currently offlineSultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1789 posts, RR: 30
Reply 35, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4683 times:

@ flightsimboy:

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 34):
Hi Nils

Hi there flightsimboy, many thanks for your reply!

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 34):
Sorry to be reading this inbound trip before the outbound. Quite an interesting report

Hey, no problem, everyone reads at his/her own convenience  

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 34):
Glad you could all spend sometime on the observation deck!!

Actually I’m not that into spotting but it was a ncie passtime while there and good to see some real life widebody action as opposed to my home airport BRU.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 34):
Believe me sometimes it feels like two days in a plane, especially on those long hauls that take +14 hours

I can imagine, flying around and through time makes you lose track of it all. And NRT was ‘only’ a 12,5h flight lol!

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 34):
I have to indicate here that EY takes their safety very seriously.

For sure the Alitalia crew also took the safety very serious but there was a general tendency towards sloppiness. Maybe it’s abit in their genes, I don’t know 

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 34):
Always nice to break the journey and take a shower!

Yes, thanks to my fellow travellers who kindly guested me into the walhalla aka the lounge.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 34):
Ah Swiss! How glad I am to have flown you and transferred to Zurich in the past!

Yes, ZRH and Swiss is one of the better European combo’s out there.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 34):
Ah yes, who can pass the opportunity not to meet infodesk!

I was in contact with the ‘infodesk’ about this and funny enough she was out there flying herself so no meet up that day...

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 34):
Ah the Jet Airways A332s arriving daily from Brussels into Toronto.

Indeed, those are the ones. Can’t tell if and when it’ll be a 777 to YYZ again.

Sultanils



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User currently offlinelychemsa From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1273 posts, RR: 3
Reply 36, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4684 times:

AZ seems excellent in Y. A friend always used to fly with them from FCO to NYC but because of the lousy DELTA frequent flyer program she now flys UA.

User currently offlinesultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1789 posts, RR: 30
Reply 37, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3957 times:

Hello lychemsa, thanks for reading!

Quoting lychemsa (Reply 36):
AZ seems excellent in Y.

Not most excellent but excellent enough  

Sultanils



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