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No Passport Or Cityjet: KLM & VS Little Red To MAN  
User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4207 posts, RR: 51
Posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10442 times:

Dear readers, welcome to this tripreport to an a.net meeting in Manchester;

Fellow member Marc (MSS658) came with the idea to set up an a.net meeting in Manchester, UK in April 2013. Final dates were set for 5 ~ 7 April, and this resulted in some flightplanning here and there to see if I was able to join.

With the recently newly introduced domestic ‘Little Red’ services by Virgin Atlantic between London LHR and Manchester, I tried to find an itinerary via London. Also my friends Servaas (MEA-707) and Robert from Sweden (Parton87) wanted to join when we figured out that we could fly from Rotterdam on Cityjets Fokker 50. Always nice to fly on these turboprops, into London City. Where we could meet up with the organisator Marc (incoming on Cityjet from ANR) and meeting with Gabriel (gabrielchew) as a local tourguide and having some time in a London pub.
That was the idea, flights sorted out and booked. Everything seemed fine.

So, the day came and on Thursday April 4th, I picked up Robert at the airport after he got in from ARN on KLM’s Boeing 737-900 PH-BXR. We headed downtown that night for pizza with Servaas, but didn’t make it late. I was on medication these days which influenced my body a bit, I was sometimes a bit ‘out of this world’, one of the side effects of the medicine. And probably the reason of what would happen that next day…

No passport or Cityjet: KLM & VS Little Red to MAN



Friday, April 5th… Alarms ring at 7.00am and we grab up things for the meet in MAN, have a quick breakfast and coffee before hitting the cold morning with a busride to the trainstation, where we jump on the 09.32 Fyra trainservice to Rotterdam CS. We meet Servaas onboard and are all together again.
We are not rushing at all, there is no need for. Everythings goes fine and on schedule so far. Bus no. 33 to the airport and we walk around a bit to see some of the traffic at RTM.


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The renovated hall at Rotterdam Central Station



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Rotterdam Airport building


45 minutes before flightdeparture we walk into the terminal building for check-in, and then at the moment I am facing the check-in desk, I turn myself to Servaas and tell him; “I’ve a problem…, I left my passport at home!”

Not the smartest move by me, and something which never ever happens to me before, and I blame it on the medication actually. But what could I do. I consult quickly at the Cityjet ticketdesk, inform them accordingly and tell them to wait till the final moment. Rush myself to the Military Police office to get them issuing an emergency passport, which they officially won’t do ‘in case you forgot it’, but they accept it this time and send me to the airport authority to get photos taken of my face.
Back to the Military Police and filling out a form, and then they get into action to get a document printed. At that time around 15 minutes left till departure…

Bad luck was on my side, apparently an issue with the scanning device of the printer, taking up more time then necessary and some replacement part had to be installed. I don’t blame the police officers, they really tried their best, but at the moment I receive a message from Servaas that the door of the Fokker 50 was just closed, I see the police officer coming towards me with the emergency passport. Just, a few minutes late. Shit happens, we all tried our best but it was not possible this time.


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The Cityjet flight to LCY taxiing out… that doesn’t feel good I can tell!


A quick enquiry a the Cityjet desk to get myself rebooked on the next service to LCY, 2 hours later, was offered to me with a surcharge of EUR 216,-. No thanks. I request her to process the refund of taxes, but she refers to the Cityjet website where all can be done easily (well, I find out it is not possible to do it there, and my flightstatus shows ‘flown’ which is incorrect). Well, I’ll get things sorted out, no worries.

So, what do do now, how to get to London. I go online on my iPad and figure out that the 17.15 departure out of AMS to LHR directly is to be operated by a Fokker 70, which is always nice to ride on, and with a promo award seat available I quickly grab it and I am settled again. My flight details are texted to the guys in London and I proceed my way (via home) to AMS where I enjoy a late lunch in the lounge. I stock up also on Gin and Leonidas chocolates, making use of the pick up on arrival service offered by the See Buy Fly shops at AMS. They only ALWAYS fail to send me the reminder sms for pick-up on the arrival day.

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Tulips from Amsterdam. Welcome at AMS!



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Great sight. Delta brings in the 777’s again!



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Some lovely tails here


The lounge in Amsterdam is quite busy even in mid afternoon. I still manage to find a seat near the window with a good view on the apron. On the menu some corn soup, vegetables and coleslaw, bread and Dutch cheese.


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KLM Crown Lounge



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View from my seat in the lounge



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Late lunch for me, very tasty for sure



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My emergency passport and a view from the lounge…


A bit later I find my way to gate D06, a lower level busgate area and split up in more gates designated by A to L as far as I remember. I notice KL1029 to LHR is also boarding, which also must be operated by Cityhopper service.
At the gate desk I get a new seat, 11F, emergency row with middle seat free. Thanks for that KLM.




Flight: KL1023 - 05APR2013
Route: AMS-LHR
STD17:15 ATD17:31
STA17:35 ATA17:36
A/C: Fokker 70 # PH-KZN
S/N: 11F (Economy Comfort class/Y)


The bus drives us to the commuter apron where several of the small jets (and props) are parked. Also the Fokker 70 operating on my flight, PH-KZN. What a shame, it will be my second flight on this particular aircraft after flying it on CDG-AMS on 11 July 2002 (!), indeed, a long time ago and she is still going strong.


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Boarding the Fokker 70


I am friendly greeted by the 2 female Dutch crewmembers, and take my seat. Soon the announcement is made from the flightdeck that we got a slot for departure resulting in about 20 minutes departure delay due to restrictions at Heathrow. During the time on the ground I request some water from the crew. They give me a cup of water instantly. Good job.

Legroom here is good in row 11, and some additional attention is asked for to operate the emergency door in case of evacuation. Well done.


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View from my seat on the somewhat empty apron…



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Legroom with a statement!


Departure is from runway 36L today, so a bit longer taxiing and soon we get ourselves in the air, joining blue skies once we get through the clouds.


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Lining up runway 36L ‘Polderbaan’



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Free of clouds and blue sky again!


From that time service starts and I am not disappointed by KLM today. A sandwich triangle with chicken-pesto, aside with drink service. Since I’m not feeling too good (and the crew noticed!), they hand me a 0,5 liter bottle of water. Kudos to that, very attentive of them   


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Catering offered on this short KLM afternoon service



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Cruising towards London


Soon we are on approach for LHR, and no holding pattern today, just straight in for runway 09R.


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Short finals runway 09R at LHR


Landing is on time and after a few minutes taxitime we park at Terminal 4, next to 3 other company aircraft of the AF-KL group.


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On the ground. I like the sunlight in this picture



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Maybe I should fly China Southern also soon… Seems good to me!



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Or Royal Brunei Airlines? Looks great this 777!



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Well present this afternoon is Air France-KLM with now 4 aircraft on the ground


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Walking LHR-style to the terminal-transfer bus


From T4 I change to T1, by airside bus. It turns out to be my private bus, and the driver is in a good mood too. We have a nice ride and I watch the traffic passing by. 10 minutes later I’m dropped off at T1, all together this is a very hassle free connection and nothing to worry about at all.


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View from the transit bus T4-T1



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Another view from the T4-T1 transit bus


The T1 facilities make you clear immigration first at a counter (passport check), which lets me proceed to the Biometric checkpoint (photo taken, sticker put on my passport). From there I proceed to the security screening where I was served promptly. After this, the Indian guy at ‘secondary screening’ (for shoes) didn’t dare to ask me to take my shoes off, so I quickly pass along him lol.
Now I reach the airline service desks, and Virgin Little Red is on the desk together with ‘quality airlines’ ELAL (ugh) and Transaero (ahum). I am served by the friendly agent, but my pre-selected seat 3F was gone and I am given 7F. I ask why does VS not keep my original seat? He said for weight and balance reasons. OK, fair enough. But later I find another passenger in 3F, so the story is not totally true and VS is messing up with their seating system.


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Virgin Little Red transit desk in T1



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Terminal 1 passenger waiting lounge


Soon I meet up with the others who come in from downtown and I am lucky to go lounging with Gabriel in one of the lounges, I guess it was Servisair Lounge. I get myself some G&T’s, let’s see how things work out with medication, but I’m strong  

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Typical lounge moment incl Gabs’ can-collection


Of course we can’t leave the other behind with nothing, so once we get to gate 8 for our flight to MAN, we provide them with the necessary survival food.


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A new wooden floor it seems for these desks? Clear up the carton guys!



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Gate 8, boarding VS3045. More staff then passengers tonight?!


Boarding is called for and I make myself onboard as first passenger,…



Flight: VS3045 - 05APR2013
Route: LHR-MAN
STD20:45 ATD20:36
STA21:45 ATA21:34
A/C: Airbus A320-200 # EI-DEO
S/N: 07F (Single class/Y)

The crew is in a fantastic jolly mood here, I tell them it’s my first time on VS domestic, quickly answered by the purser by ‘I am sure you will like it with us!’. To which I reply ‘Well, you make it happen then!’ haha. Interesting funny girls, all 4 of them actually.


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Ouch! That mood lighting is a bit too much when you ask me!


The cabin is dark, purple lighted. Not sure what to think of it, but I’ve been in bars with these interiors, but not before on such planes. The seat was comfortable though, headrest is adjustable too, but the armrests seems a bit loose.


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This is an idea of the seat and legroom, which is sufficient



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A golden BA parked next door. Soon we’re ready to leave for MAN


We depart ahead of schedule, unique for LHR? At least with a load of just about 20 passengers it was boarding that finished to early today. We taxi out to 09R for departure and queue up for about 10 minutes till it is our final turn to take the skies. The takeoff roll is short and the climb is above average, but nothing to surprise with the low load, low fuel etc.


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Once airborne we fly along the city of London


Service on this flight is a full bar service, soft drinks, coffee and teas, as well a snack. Which meant a bag of salted crisps. Drinks get doubled on request but not standard given. Good to see Bombay’s Gin here, my favourite and also given on Cityjet   I hope BA takes note!
Later the crew hands out ‘Love hearts’ candy (for landing).


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Another cabin view inflight seen from the back face forward



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Catering service on the Little Red evening service


The remaining of the flight is without further items to write about. It was a calm experience all together.

Soon we arrive in MAN, ahead of schedule and on runway 05L. We say goodbye to the crew and get ourselves in touch with some more friends waiting for us in the arrival hall, who also join for drinks in the bar on the 9th floor in the Radisson Blu Hotel that night. Interesting to see Air Blue A340-300 AP-EDF taxiing out.


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Thanks for meeting you, Virgin Little Red!


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Next day. Meeting day. The Aviation Viewing Park is reached by taxi for roughly GBP 9 from the terminal, so costs are minimal when you can share with a group of 4 or 5. Compare the bus cost GBP 1.50 per person and runs once per hour.
The weather turns out to be perfect, with light winds, blue skies which means also the sun is in. I used my sunglasses all day, and I think most of us needed this weather after a winter that took too long.
Traffic was nice with a lot of Boeing 757’s, some bigger aircraft (77W/A380) and a lot of British and European machinery.
Lunch was covered with a Chips & Cheese, a bit too much for my taste but did the job, and also a view inside the Avro RJX, the Bae Trident 3 where on schedule here.


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Traffic comes up and close at the viewing park



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Monarch with one of their A320’s taxiing in



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Leaving back to Pakistan is this PIA B777-300ER with 2 hours delay



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The BAe Trident 3 is still one beautiful piece of metal!


After a nice time out there, it was time to return to the terminal for me, since my flight to AMS would leave a few hours later. On my way from the terminal bus station to passenger terminal 3 (for KLM), I bump literally into another a.net group; Hannah, Brendan, Markus, Roger, Suryo, Udo, Daniel. After a short talk I must continue my way to check-in.

KLM’s check-in is done my a groundhandler here, and a family with one 2,5 weeks old infant, a man, and a difficult wife occupies the Sky Priority desk, on their way to Capetown. It took ages, and the wife makes a scene about her seat which must be with a baby basinet, but according the check-in agent is not. Ticket booked via a tour agency, apparently the tour agency is faulty with miscommunication here, but the lady starts complaining.
Luckily the agent sees me waiting, and send away the family to the ticket desk. Thank you for removing your baggage cart Madam! Are all Manchester citizens like this? Shameless  

The agent at the desk is very friendly and glad that I’m an easy passenger for him. He forgets to inform me about the lounge directions, but I’ll find it out myself anyway.
Upstairs I find security, friendly officers all around here, and I use the fast track, nobody in front of me. Everything go very smoothly here, the way I like it.


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T1 Manchester – passenger lounge


Inside the terminal I feel excitement among the other passengers since horseriding was coming to an end, and it seems to be popular in this area. That means for me it was time to head upstairs to the FlyBE Lounge, also used by Air France-KLM. The FlyBE lounge is located next to the British Airways one. I head inside and am greeted by 2 friendly females.

The lounge itself is spacious, great apron views, limited amount of food and drinks though, and I am missing lemon slices to make my G&T. Not even bags of crisps. Kinda poor impression, but on the other side, they have a selection of Dutch newspapers here, which is quite rare in lounges.
Also a plus is a toilet inside the lounge, which is usually kept cleaner then the public ones ‘for everybody’.


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FlyBE lounge used by KLM



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Great apron views, also this easyJet ‘Unicef’ aircraft



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Or how about KLM coming in with the 737-800 for me?


I sit down for about 45 minutes, have 2 G&T’s and watch some traffic departing and arriving, including my KLM Boeing 737-800 from AMS which will take me home later.
Soon, boarding is announced on the screen and I head towards gate 48.

I ask for a free seat next to me (if available), and am given 9A “In the Economy Comfort zone Sir”.
Thank you, ladies. That is very welcome, but surprised also since online check-in showed Economy Comfort only from row 3 until 5.
Well I’m the first one to get onboard, and as in most cases, KLM’s crew was awaiting me with a smile and friendly welcome on board.




Flight: KL1094 - 06APR2013
Route: MAN-AMS
STD17:40 ATD17:40
STA19:55 ATA19:41
A/C: Boeing 737-800(WL) # PH-BGB
S/N: 09A (Economy Comfort class/Y)

Take note: row 8A has no window on KLM’s Boeing 737-800 aircrafts.

I have 3 seats for myself, good comfort for sure. The loadfactor is high, roughly 90%, a large group of Russians onboard (codeshare flight SU3131), the Russians are all seated in Economy Comfort.
The crew today is attentive and we get our pushback on schedule. Taxiing takes a few minutes only, and soon we roll down runway 23R for takeoff into the cloudless sky around Manchester.


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Leaving Manchester with the “I love MCR” pictures on the apron



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Airborne and on my way home again…


After take-off I get flight information from the cockpit, from a captain with clearly South-African origin. He speaks Suid-Afrikaans which is funny, I can understand the language, strongly influenced by my native language, Dutch. And this captain flew me on another flight very recently also but I can’t remember on which one exactly.


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I get comfortable for sure here



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During cruise


Service is little on this flight; choice of sweet or savory snack. The sweet option goes nicely with my cup of tea, inside a large ‘stroopwafel’, the larger equivalent of the little caramel cookies you might know from earlier KLM flights and given with the coffee/tea service.
White wine I thought would be nice, but I better drink it another time with less medication.


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A bit disappointing catering on tonights flight maybe…


When the tables get cleaned I ask for a water, since I needed it during approach/landing. It never came… quite disappointing from one of the back-galley crews. When the purser comes, I ask her, and tell that I asked a collegue but it still didn’t arrive. She answered to check and get me water. And she made it actually happen, so all good in the end.


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Descending over sea


Approach is nice along the coastline and soon straight in for runway 06, which means that I closely flew near my own house which lies parallel with the flightpath to runway 06 (1,500-2,000 ft) altitude.


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Final approach


Landing is like kissing the runway, and I immediately spot an Ilyushin 76 of the Russian Air Forces delivering a car for President Putins 1 day state-visit later this week. Also CI Cargo was in. I also notice PH-BGG, a KLM 737-700 which brought in a whole bunch of a.netters earlier that afternoon to MAN. It operated on the previous flight.


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PH-BGG that was earlier flown by some a.netters to MAN is back home already


We reach the parking stand after a few minutes, D41 was ours. I say goodbye to the crew and another successful KLM trip was completed.


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Arrived back home. Back in Amsterdam! It’s also good to be back home again


Thank you for all to makes this a nice meeting in MAN. Thanks Daniel for the sparkling wine and Milka, thanks Marc for organizing and the Belgium chocs.
Virgin’s Little Red was a nice experience, good encounters with groundstaff at the T1 transit desk as also at the gate, furthermore great crews onboard. But, with almost to no passengers, their job was relaxed, and that might be different on a full flight. Good luck to them though.

Thanks for you reading and your reply, comment or question… Please leave me a message in the textbox which you’ll find here below  

Regards
Eric


"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
27 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineParton87 From Sweden, joined Sep 2008, 533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10220 times:

Hoi Eric!

Congratulations for being first with a report from the meeting! Really nice reading and high quality pictures as always  A lovely weekend for sure!
I really felt sorry for you at Rotterdam, that was really a nightmare! Pity City Jet couldn´t helped you more but glad you manage to come to London later in the evening instead!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
A sandwich triangle with chicken-pesto, aside

Nice service on KLM! I had almost the same on my flight from ARN, other filling on the sandwich though but it was supposed to be chicken and pesto according one of the F/A´s

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Well present this afternoon is Air France-KLM with now 4 aircraft on the ground

Impressive, I also noticed a KLM Embraer later

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
we provide them with the necessary survival food.

Thanks for that 
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Which meant a bag of salted

Interesting, I got a large chocolate cookie which was really nice

Can only agree with you on the VS flight, really nice crew and good service for such a short flight!

Thanks again for the lovely report and also for the nice companion in Amsterdam and Manchester. Really appreciated that I could stay the night at your place on Thursday night!

See you on Friday!

Greetings
Robert


User currently offline767747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1882 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9866 times:
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Great report, airbuseric! Thanks for sharing.

Flights look great - I'm amazed the VS flight was so empty. I love the mood-lighting; looks like a night club more than an airliner!

Matthew (767747)


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6402 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9811 times:

Hi Eric !

Thanks for a great report with great pictures! I especially like the one with the tulips at Schipol!

Too bad you forgot your passport but it seems it worked out very well in the end. That was a very quick solution to that problem!

It seems that you had a good time in MAN at the meeting. Nice picture of the PIA 77W !

Flights seem okay. Nice to get such service on such short flights.

Looking forward to your next report!

The777Man



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User currently offlineLFutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3305 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9782 times:
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Goedenavond Eric!

I know what its like to leave something important at home. It truely does suck. Luckily the KM issued you an emergency passport. Glad to see that KLM served you well! I definitely do need to fly them again! Great pictures as always! I wish I could have attended! Little Red looks interesting too, reminds me of Virgin America.

Fijne dag verder!

Leo/ORD



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User currently offlineronerone From Jordan, joined Aug 2004, 1653 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9631 times:

Dear Eric,

A very nice surprise to read a report on Little Red for the first time. Excellent detail and super pictures as always.

Any idea when they will install those see-through floors on their aircraft?

Seems that the experience was typical to Virgin's image, as it was very similar to my Virgin America flight. I wonder if the open bar service would continue on, or whether this is just because it is the beginning  

Many thanks for sharing this with us. Looking forward to more!

Cheers,
Roni



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User currently offlineluxair747sp From Germany, joined May 2010, 502 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9584 times:
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Hi Eric,

Great report with some really good pictures.
Nice to see that you found such a quick solution for your passport problem without missing the Little Red flight.
The service on KL seems to be okay, but i wonder, why LHR gets a nice large sandwich, whereas MAN only some crisps?

Anyway, was great to meet you again!

Thanks a lot for sharing
Cheers
Johannes


User currently offlineTheAviator380 From UK - England, joined Feb 2013, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9292 times:

Fantastic TR, VS red reminds me of Kingfisher domestic product, was brilliant. Do you know or you asked by any chance about Crew on VS domestic? are they using same crew who does long haul with VS?

How was the load on your VS flight? I love MAN aviation viewing park, the place where you went for flight spotting. I go there usually in summer period !


User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4207 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9182 times:

Hi guys, thank you for your replies so far!

Quoting Parton87 (Reply 1):
Congratulations for being first with a report from the meeting!

Thanks Robert! What else can I do on a boring Sunday when I'm at home and not at the meet...

Quoting Parton87 (Reply 1):
I really felt sorry for you at Rotterdam, that was really a nightmare! Pity City Jet couldn´t helped you more but glad you manage to come to London later in the evening instead!

Yeah, what an experience, but you know, Eric always finds a way to get things solved  
Quoting Parton87 (Reply 1):
Impressive, I also noticed a KLM Embraer later

Impressive operation, but with smaller equipment then a few years ago when even the 767 was flying to LHR. Now, there is more Cityhopper

Quoting Parton87 (Reply 1):
Thanks again for the lovely report and also for the nice companion in Amsterdam and Manchester. Really appreciated that I could stay the night at your place on Thursday night!

You're welcome!

Quoting 767747 (Reply 2):
I'm amazed the VS flight was so empty. I love the mood-lighting; looks like a night club more than an airliner!

Hey Matthew, same feeling I got once I stepped onboard. VS is just flying the route since this week, not sure if this is common on new routes. I noticed some Chinese transit passengers via LHR to MAN on this flight, but that was about it.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 3):
I especially like the one with the tulips at Schipol!

Thanks Lars. Yeah, it's tulip season so I couldn't resist.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 3):
Too bad you forgot your passport but it seems it worked out very well in the end. That was a very quick solution to that problem!

I find a solution for every problem when it comes my way.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 3):
Nice picture of the PIA 77W !

Haha, I knew you would comment on it. That one is for you!

Quoting The777Man (Reply 3):
Looking forward to your next report!

Should be online also soon now...

Quoting LFutia (Reply 4):
I know what its like to leave something important at home. It truely does suck. Luckily the KM issued you an emergency passport.

Officially they shouldn't have issued one but the guys from the military police are very friendly to me in RTM  
Quoting LFutia (Reply 4):
Little Red looks interesting too, reminds me of Virgin America.

Virgin is Virgin... Always a bit different to me. I can like it.

Quoting ronerone (Reply 5):
A very nice surprise to read a report on Little Red for the first time. Excellent detail and super pictures as always.

Thanks Roni. Glad to hear you like it.

Quoting ronerone (Reply 5):
Any idea when they will install those see-through floors on their aircraft?

Now that would be fancy, with a nice led lighting around it visible from the ground.

Quoting ronerone (Reply 5):
I wonder if the open bar service would continue on, or whether this is just because it is the beginning

I guess they keep it open, to compete with BA on this route.

Quoting luxair747sp (Reply 6):
The service on KL seems to be okay, but i wonder, why LHR gets a nice large sandwich, whereas MAN only some crisps?

Hey Johannes, I wondered the same, since both were afternoon flights   Of course, I don't complain much about it.

Quoting TheAviator380 (Reply 7):
VS red reminds me of Kingfisher domestic product, was brilliant. Do you know or you asked by any chance about Crew on VS domestic? are they using same crew who does long haul with VS?

The crew is hired via a crewing agency. They are not VS crew, but contracted from another agency.
The aircraft is leased from EI, but the crew is also not from EI. The purser told us about it. She said it was rather complicated matter  
Quoting TheAviator380 (Reply 7):
How was the load on your VS flight?

Not good. Around 20 passengers only on this flight.

Quoting TheAviator380 (Reply 7):
I love MAN aviation viewing park, the place where you went for flight spotting. I go there usually in summer period !

A fantastic place with great area to enjoy the sun. You can even bring towels for sunbathing. Enough space for it  

Regards
Eric



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineEmek96 From Germany, joined Apr 2013, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8891 times:

Hi Eric!

great (first) report of the meeting in Manchaster!
Little Red looks really great, espacially the fact
that they serve alcoholic drinks as well as a small
snack on such a short flight!
I also liked the interieur of the KLM lounge in AMS,
I think I have to do a KLM trip via AMS soon, after
I luckily got Gold because of their Matchpromo.
Also nice shot of the PIA 77W after it finally took
off with an delay of 'just' 3 hours or so  

again thanks for sharing

Elias


User currently offlinebwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8733 times:

Quoting Emek96 (Reply 9):
espacially the fact
that they serve alcoholic drinks as well as a small
snack on such a short flight!

They have to to keep up with British Airways.


User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5080 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8723 times:

Quoting 767747 (Reply 2):
I'm amazed the VS flight was so empty.

I wouldnt be too surpised. I mean they have only been granted the slots for domestic 4 months ago and operations have only been going for a week.... at least give it a few more months to build up a presence.


User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 5006 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8566 times:

Hoi, Eric,

good to see the first report impression from the MAN meeting.
Well done and it seems a really sunny day prior to our late afternoon arrival.
Nice pictures and well texted.
Sad to read about the passport story like you told us and hopefully more talking the next time.

Greetings,
Markus(FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlinesultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1575 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 8113 times:
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Hello Eric,

It was certainly nice meeting you again after our last ‘team up’ to NRT!

Good to see you’ve won the race and produced the first story on the MAN meet. For sure a story with a twist, forgetting your passport at home and realizing it at the very last minute is not pleasant. In my case, I guess I would’ve taken the first train back home. Good to see the Dutch officers were understanding and they even produced you a prettier pink passport iso the usual maroon one.

As expected, the KLM took good care of you once again and hopefully the folks at ’Little Red’ can keep it up and will have some more filled up planes very soon.

Sultanils



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6639 posts, RR: 78
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 7999 times:

Hi Eric,

great report, congratulations on being the first one. I guess I'll be the last one to post my reports about the meeting, maybe in 2015.  



The Little Red product looks fine, but I'm wondering whether it will be profitable. It's too bad the flights are operated by EI, would be nice if they had an own AOC.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Also my friends Servaas (MEA-707) and Robert from Sweden (Parton87) wanted to join when we figured out that we could fly from Rotterdam on Cityjets Fokker 50. Always nice to fly on these turboprops, into London City.

Good initial choice. I flew Cityjet in October for the first time and liked it. Too bad you couldn't make it onto the flight.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):

Bad luck was on my side, apparently an issue with the scanning device of the printer, taking up more time then necessary and some replacement part had to be installed. I don’t blame the police officers, they really tried their best, but at the moment I receive a message from Servaas that the door of the Fokker 50 was just closed, I see the police officer coming towards me with the emergency passport. Just, a few minutes late. Shit happens, we all tried our best but it was not possible this time.

Did you have to pay a lot for that emergency passport? Those are really expensive in Germany. Btw - no ID cards in the Netherlands?

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Great sight. Delta brings in the 777’s again!

  

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Or Royal Brunei Airlines? Looks great this 777!

BI doesn't offer a great product, but I wouldn't mind to try its 777.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I ask why does VS not keep my original seat? He said for weight and balance reasons. OK, fair enough. But later I find another passenger in 3F, so the story is not totally true and VS is messing up with their seating system.

When I was about to board my Volotea flight on Friday, the agent wrote 9F on my boarding pass - but I had chosen and paid for 23F in advance. She referred to the light load, but I pointed out that I had paid an extra fee for my seat. Then she said I could keep it...  
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
.
Ouch! That mood lighting is a bit too much when you ask me!

I like it, something different.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
On my way from the terminal bus station to passenger terminal 3 (for KLM), I bump literally into another a.net group; Hannah, Brendan, Markus, Roger, Suryo, Udo, Daniel. After a short talk I must continue my way to check-in.

Was good to meet you on the way!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
White wine I thought would be nice, but I better drink it another time with less medication.

  


PH



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User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4207 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 7695 times:

Hi guys,

thanks for your further replies!

Quoting Emek96 (Reply 9):
great (first) report of the meeting in Manchaster!
Little Red looks really great, espacially the fact
that they serve alcoholic drinks as well as a small
snack on such a short flight!

Similar to BA, but definitely a more quiet flight here on VS that night, outstanding crew and I think more comfortable seating. VS serves my favourite gin, where BA serves a cheaper brand. I think this is how I like it.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 12):
Well done and it seems a really sunny day prior to our late afternoon arrival.
Nice pictures and well texted.

Thanks Markus, definitely great weather. I left with some colour on my face!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 12):
Sad to read about the passport story like you told us and hopefully more talking the next time.

To short and rushed talk, but we can fix a meeting for sure during the year. Remember you're always welcome in Amsterdam for a bit longer time for a drink, dinner or place to rest.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 13):
Good to see you’ve won the race and produced the first story on the MAN meet. For sure a story with a twist, forgetting your passport at home and realizing it at the very last minute is not pleasant. In my case, I guess I would’ve taken the first train back home. Good to see the Dutch officers were understanding and they even produced you a prettier pink passport iso the usual maroon one.

They specially do this for me Nils  
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 14):
I guess I'll be the last one to post my reports about the meeting, maybe in 2015.

Hi PH, should I already say my congratulations to you for being the last one?  
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 14):
It's too bad the flights are operated by EI, would be nice if they had an own AOC.

And no VS crew, nor EI crew. Something 'outsourced' according the purser.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 14):
I flew Cityjet in October for the first time and liked it. Too bad you couldn't make it onto the flight.

I fly Cityjet above average numbers lately, I like them a lot indeed. But missing them out for once isn't a big deal. The KLM F70 was good too, shame that registration was flown already years ago also...

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 14):
Did you have to pay a lot for that emergency passport? Those are really expensive in Germany. Btw - no ID cards in the Netherlands?

EUR 46,15 for emergency passport fee. You can only use it once, valid for 3 months. Once returning at a Dutch port of entry, the document is made invalid.

ID cards to excist, but, keeping in mind that I normally don't make such mistakes, I don't see the reason to get one especially since the price for an ID card almost equals the price for a passport, which is more widely used accross the world.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 14):
When I was about to board my Volotea flight on Friday, the agent wrote 9F on my boarding pass - but I had chosen and paid for 23F in advance. She referred to the light load, but I pointed out that I had paid an extra fee for my seat. Then she said I could keep it...

I'm pretty sure, in some of the small text is written that seats are subject to change caused by operational reasons. I try not to pay for seat selection in most cases.

Regards
Eric



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26491 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7413 times:

Hey Eric  

Great report. I would have felt sick realising the passport was not there its my worst nightmare. Quick thinking got you a temporary one and a new booking to put you back on track .  

Lovely photos as usual and glad you enjoyed the Anet meet.

Regards

Philip  



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User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4207 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7209 times:

Hi Philip,

Quoting OA260 (Reply 16):
I would have felt sick realising the passport was not there its my worst nightmare. Quick thinking got you a temporary one and a new booking to put you back on track .

Oh, I felt so 'uncomfortable' once I realized it myself, but what can I do. Only finding my solution, go 'my way' to get things solved. I almost managed in time also...

Quoting OA260 (Reply 16):
Lovely photos as usual and glad you enjoyed the Anet meet.

Thanks so much. Albeit a bit shorter then most others, it was good to see some faces again.

Regards
Eric



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User currently offlineMSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2472 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7184 times:

Hello Eric


Another great trip report, and I'm so glad to hear you had a great time.

Too bad to hear about the RTM mishap, was looking forward to meeting you for a short while in London but glad we got to meet in MAN later on.

Same story goes here on the VS story, bumped away from seat 3F as well! However due to the load I was able to reseat myself.

The weather was a great added bonus, once again thanks for sharing and looking forward to seeing you again in a few weeks in BRU.

Greetings
Marc



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User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3032 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7164 times:

Nice report Eric...weas great to catch up with you again, although sadly not some some top quailty London sightseeing!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
“I’ve a problem…, I left my passport at home!”

Doh!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
the 17.15 departure out of AMS to LHR directly is to be operated by a Fokker 70, which is always nice to ride on, and with a promo award seat available

Lucky save

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
my pre-selected seat 3F was gone and I am given 7F. I ask why does VS not keep my original seat? He said for weight and balance reasons. OK, fair enough. But later I find another passenger in 3F, so the story is not totally true and VS is messing up with their seating system.

Maybe the guy realised how light the load was and just sat anywhere?

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):

Soon I meet up with the others who come in from downtown and I am lucky to go lounging with Gabriel in one of the lounges, I guess it was Servisair Lounge. I get myself some G&T’s

Yes, the crappy Servisair lounge.....hope you enjoyed the G&Ts! And of course the soup!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):

The lounge itself is spacious, great apron views, limited amount of food and drinks though, and I am missing lemon slices to make my G&T. Not even bags of crisps. Kinda poor impression, but on the other side, they have a selection of Dutch newspapers here, which is quite rare in lounges.

Doesn't sound great...FlyBE aren't really renowned for their lounges though



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User currently offlineroberts87 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2011, 909 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 days ago) and read 6859 times:

Hello Eric,

Great report as always! I am very sorry to hear about your passport, it's my worst nightmare! But it looked you had a great weekend anyway, inspite of the medication and the passport problem. Virgin's service seems interesting as well, so nice to read about that too.


User currently offlinejwhite9185 From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 1150 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6389 times:

Hi there Eric, good to see another point of view from the Little Red flight from MAN. They do seem to be getting quite positive comments so be good to see them do well. As I mentioned in my report, the mood lighting (and cabin in general) is almost identical to the A333 product offered.

Too bad you missed out on the F50 though, although if I recall you've been on plenty before anyway. Still must have been a heart in mouth moment though - something I experienced myself on my last trip, although under different circumstances.



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User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4207 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5980 times:

Hi guys,

let's get back to your further replies. Thank you so much!

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 18):
Another great trip report, and I'm so glad to hear you had a great time.

Thanks for taking care of us and it was a good meeting again.

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 18):
Too bad to hear about the RTM mishap, was looking forward to meeting you for a short while in London but glad we got to meet in MAN later on.

Oh yes, such a shame. I would've loved to spend some time in London, a lovely city.

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 18):
looking forward to seeing you again in a few weeks in BRU.

Same here. Counting down the days  
Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 19):
Nice report Eric...weas great to catch up with you again, although sadly not some some top quailty London sightseeing!

Well, that's missed sightseeing is fixed by now, and you know, I'm not too unfamiliar in London and it's just 45 minutes away for me  
Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 19):
Yes, the crappy Servisair lounge.....hope you enjoyed the G&Ts! And of course the soup!

The soup had not a bad taste actually. Moreover I enjoyed the flooding! How about you?

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 20):
Great report as always! I am very sorry to hear about your passport, it's my worst nightmare! But it looked you had a great weekend anyway, inspite of the medication and the passport problem.

Thanks Robert, and thanks for medication it was a bearable weekend for me.

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 21):
Hi there Eric, good to see another point of view from the Little Red flight from MAN. They do seem to be getting quite positive comments so be good to see them do well.

Hi James, indeed, VS is not bad. But they don't do well on this route so far. Bleeding money it seems.
I flew VS longhaul before, the days when the A346 was sparkling new and they had only few in their fleet. It was such a great experience to see the VS product in these days, the v.port system was outstanding back then and overall great crew too.

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 21):
Too bad you missed out on the F50 though, although if I recall you've been on plenty before anyway.

Oh yes, got on a F70 instead which was a well known one for me though (flown on it before). But indeed, a lot of grasshopper F50's in the book already here.

Regards
Eric



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User currently offlinepalmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1194 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5978 times:

Hi Eric

Great report and some super pics - as always.

How awful to have missed your original flight - and I know what it's like being so close to getting to an A.net meet and having to reschedule your flight  

That temporary passport is very funky. I wish they were all that colourful!

Nice to see what VS are offering domestically here - I wonder whether they will survive. I expect they anticipate some years of losses before making any money as BA are going up to 19 flights a day between MAN - LHR later this year (or so I heard).

Loved your arrival shots back into AMS - what glorious light.

Good to see you in MAN - even though only briefly!

Thanks again - Palmjet



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User currently offlineRogerbcn From Andorra, joined Sep 2006, 1194 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5652 times:

Hola Eric!

Fair to be the first one to publish a report about the MAN meet, shame I am one of the last ones to reply to it 

Great pictures, sorry about the passport incident, always a nightmare I am concerned about, basically the only thing I check when I fly internationally.

Great to see the Fokker70 to LHR, I have only flown the big Fokkers... I love them!

The Virgin service to MAN is a great addition to your flight log, the loads do not seem to get any higher these days, so I think you have been a lucky man to fly them, I am afraid they will not last long.

I hope next time we meet is somewhere nicer than a dark corridor at an airport; anyway, it was nice chatting to you for a while. Fins aviat!

Salut!

Roger



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User currently offlineadamspotter From Netherlands, joined Feb 2011, 1110 posts, RR: 3
Reply 25, posted (12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5623 times:
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Hoi Eric,

Great report and congrats on being the first one to report on the MAN meet! Looks like you had a rough start there but good to hear you made it to London anyway. Both KLM & VS look good although the load at VS is quite poor! Better try them out as I dont think they will last long..

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
45 minutes before flightdeparture we walk into the terminal building for check-in, and then at the moment I am facing the check-in desk, I turn myself to Servaas and tell him; “I’ve a problem…, I left my passport at home!”

Ugh, that must have felt very bad!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
The Cityjet flight to LCY taxiing out… that doesn’t feel good I can tell!

That must have been a very bad feeling!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Great sight. Delta brings in the 777’s again!

A ncie variation to the usual A330/767s

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
View from my seat in the lounge

I was actually seated in the exact chair the next day  
Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
My emergency passport and a view from the lounge…

So you decided to use your emergency passport in the end?

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
On the ground. I like the sunlight in this picture

Beautiful!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Ouch! That mood lighting is a bit too much when you ask me!

I think it looks great but understand what you mean..

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Once airborne we fly along the city of London

Beautiful picture with all those lights!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I bump literally into another a.net group; Hannah, Brendan, Markus, Roger, Suryo, Udo, Daniel. After a short talk I must continue my way to check-in.

It was great to finally meet you, although way too short

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
The lounge itself is spacious, great apron views, limited amount of food and drinks though

Exactly my opinion about this lounge. Poor offerings but the view sure makes up for it  

cheers,

Brendan


User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4207 posts, RR: 51
Reply 26, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4658 times:

Hi guys,

thanks for reading and your further reply!

Quoting palmjet (Reply 23):
Great report and some super pics - as always.

Thanks J.

Quoting palmjet (Reply 23):
How awful to have missed your original flight - and I know what it's like being so close to getting to an A.net meet and having to reschedule your flight

Haha indeed, we both share similar experience now...

Quoting palmjet (Reply 23):
Good to see you in MAN - even though only briefly

A London meet is coming up remember  
Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 24):
Great pictures, sorry about the passport incident, always a nightmare I am concerned about, basically the only thing I check when I fly internationally.

Same here, I really think the medicines are part of my stupid mind that morning. I usually don't make such mistakes.

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 24):
Great to see the Fokker70 to LHR, I have only flown the big Fokkers... I love them!

Can you imagine the Fokker 50 I flew to LHR, from RTM back in the days.

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 25):
Both KLM & VS look good although the load at VS is quite poor! Better try them out as I dont think they will last long..

I'm sure you can make a nice interesting schedule around that VS flight Brendan!

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 25):
I was actually seated in the exact chair the next day

One of the best locations of the lounge imho.

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 25):
So you decided to use your emergency passport in the end?

I paid for it, so I had to use it also.

Regards
Eric



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User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4207 posts, RR: 51
Reply 27, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4654 times:

Hi guys,

thanks for reading and your further reply!

Quoting palmjet (Reply 23):
Great report and some super pics - as always.

Thanks J.

Quoting palmjet (Reply 23):
How awful to have missed your original flight - and I know what it's like being so close to getting to an A.net meet and having to reschedule your flight

Haha indeed, we both share similar experience now...

Quoting palmjet (Reply 23):
Good to see you in MAN - even though only briefly

A London meet is coming up remember  
Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 24):
Great pictures, sorry about the passport incident, always a nightmare I am concerned about, basically the only thing I check when I fly internationally.

Same here, I really think the medicines are part of my stupid mind that morning. I usually don't make such mistakes.

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 24):
Great to see the Fokker70 to LHR, I have only flown the big Fokkers... I love them!

Can you imagine the Fokker 50 I flew to LHR, from RTM back in the days.

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 25):
Both KLM & VS look good although the load at VS is quite poor! Better try them out as I dont think they will last long..

I'm sure you can make a nice interesting schedule around that VS flight Brendan!

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 25):
I was actually seated in the exact chair the next day

One of the best locations of the lounge imho.

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 25):
So you decided to use your emergency passport in the end?

I paid for it, so I had to use it also.

Regards
Eric



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