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KU Biz & SV Eco To The South: CDG-FCO-JED-JNB  
User currently offlineeastafspot From France, joined Jan 2008, 746 posts, RR: 12
Posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 18417 times:

Kuwait Airways business and Saudia economy to the South: CDG-FCO-JED-JNB .


TRIP PLANNING



After spending Christmas with my family in France, time to go to the most beautiful continent: Africa.
I needed to fly 2 Skyteam segments in order to maintain my FB Silver status.
From Paris, countless options link JNB. One way trip with reasonable fare during the festive season sounded like Utopian schemes.
I first thought flying with my usual favorite airline Kenya Airways, but Italy with Rome and Milan suggested Saudia for EUR 293 only. Not bad but forcing a long lay over in JED and as you know already, not a single drop of booze too.
Going to FCO can be easily done from Paris with 148 frequencies offered weekly by 6 airlines departing from three different airports (BVA, CDG and ORY).
Obviously as a.netter, there is only one airline to fly with. Here is the routing "totally" dry for this new trip report:

     
    1) Paris CDG – Rome FCO: Kuwait Airways, Business, A300
    2) Rome FCO – Jeddah JED: Saudia, Economy, A320
    3) Jeddah JED – Johannesburg JNB: Saudia, Economy, B777





Map generated by the Great Circle Mapper, Copyright © 1996-2013 Karl L. Swartz. All rights reserved.
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1/ Paris CDG – Rome FCO: Kuwait Airways, Business, A300



Kuwait Airways seems to be a specialist in the fifth freedom rights thus this route is one of the most known here, along with the FRA-GVA. After a short search, one can read at least five nice reports departing from Europe (most recent first):


Marc: Brussels-Frankfurt! The Kuwait Way! (by MSS658 Dec 17 2012 in Trip Reports)
Nils: A Taste Of The Middle East On KU: BRU-FRA-GVA-BRU (by sultanils Nov 14 2011 in Trip Reports)
Johannes: Personal Service On A Classic Plane: KU Business (by luxair747SP Mar 9 2011 in Trip Reports)
Planehunter: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600 (by PlaneHunter Dec 2 2010 in Trip Reports)
Sandeep: Earning Your Trust, KU Business Class To JFK (by AI151 Jul 8 2010 in Trip Reports)




Upon booking the website promised a four holers, rising some mixed feeling:
What is the best between flying the classic AB6 or getting a newer cabin on their A340?
Later on, the departing schedule got postponed for 30 minutes, always nice when the flight is early in the morning.


Promising an A340
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The day after Christmas, the special alarm clock was set at 4h30 for an one hour ride in a RER B to CDG 1. I must admit that the last visit of this terminal dated back from the dawn of the airlines alliance era in 1998, Korean Air not in Skyteam yet operated from there to Kimpo Airport...


A way too early! Any idea where does it come from?
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At RER station "Laplace", Charles De Gaulle means Orly  Smilehttp://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab52/kigalilongwe/Paris/koweit1/PICT0036_zps6a84e161.jpg

As i'm not a first time visiting tourist, going to Orly led me to Roissy  Winkhttp://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab52/kigalilongwe/Paris/koweit1/DSC07941_zpsba5a11a3.jpg

Sad for SN, out of the Hall 4
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Near the counters, two smiling staffs employed by Alyzia checked the travelling documents and the eligibility of the premium lanes. Because of the American mum and her offspring, the agent invited me to process in no time at the First Class counter.

Dedicated premiums desks
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First Class treatment
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Flight information sheet
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First Class treatment again  Sillyhttp://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab52/kigalilongwe/Paris/koweit1/DSC07948_zps0f963f93.jpg


It is safe to say that there is nothing you can’t find in the over priced ADP shopping mall, more adapted to the bottomless wallets of Asian clientele presents at that time. So i gave up the window shopping.


Circular shopping mall
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With high expectations, I set off to the nicely named lounge called "AF Premiere". To be honest this was a generic lounge with nothing much to write home about, of course i did not expect the quality of the T2E "La Première" sanctuary but with this adjective i had expected a better food offering and environment.

Temporary signs
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Ring the bell to enter
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Internet connection pretty slow
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Snacks available in all AF flights


No fruit on offer
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Nicolas Feuillate to start this "dry" day  drunk 
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My breakfast
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The numerous pictures taken drew the attention of other guests previously seen at check-in and asked questions about all the details needed in that lounge. Following a nice chat, she revealed me that CDG was far to be convenient to find direction. As French, i had to prove she was totally wrong despite not having visited T1 for the last 15 years.

Security checks made through "File N°1" were smooth, then i tried to spot few aircrafts but nothing exceptional so instead i discussed again with a very talkative and charming mum travelling in F.


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Wifi station
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The beauty named after the oilfield "AL-RWADHATAIN"
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Marc (MSS658) had a pleasant ride with Mike Echo in June last year
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Sri Lankan and A340 COTAM in the background
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The Alyzia staff called for boarding regardless the travelling class, so i was in the middle of the herd. Quickly a nice female attendant, helped by Imad Farhat, welcome us on board.


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Al-Khutout Al-Jawwiya Al-Kuwaitiyah is the national airline of the Kuwait, it has been launched in 1954 and flies a fleet of 17 aircrafts to 39 destinations across 3 continents. Few days after booking, a fire started on one of theirs A300 in Jeddah, raising many doubts about the seriousness of their maintenance.


Wednesday, the 26th of December 2012
Kuwait Airways KU166
Paris Roissy CDG – Rome Fuimicino FCO
Distance: 685 miles
Airbus A300B4-605R 9K-AME
ETD/ETA: 9h15 – 11h20
ATD/ATA: 9h17 – 11h10





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Showing its age
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I settled down quickly in the 7A before moving forward to 6A. Upon booking you can select your seat preference but once it done you can not change it.


From the 6A
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One of the lovely crew member looking after the C class named Jean Gaptandan came to collect my jacket and then the protocol of service began like that:

     
    1) Welcome drinks
    2) Newspapers
    3) Oshiboris
    4) Pitted and dried dates
    5) Delicious Arabic coffee
    6) Drink order for the flight meal



(Orange, tropical cocktail, tomato, mango and water)
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My choices:

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(French, english et arabic)
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Weak and nice coffee
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Once all doors closed and locked, there were 3/18 guests in First, 10/18 in Business and full house in Economy meaning an overall load factor of 208/232 quite reflecting the peak season activity.
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Safety announcements and call to prayer for Allah Akbar in English and Arabic

Take off video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQxoNUG1ilI


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The "flying saucer" or the "Camembert"
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ORY
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Business class is layed out in 2-2-2 spread over 3 rows, there was a nonoperational cathodic ray screen in the bulkhead and color scheme was a bit old fashioned.


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Quickly a meal was served, it looked like a lunch more than a breakfast. First was brought over a cold drink then a single choice two courses tray with cold canapés and hot meatball and hot samosas typical from Middle East. And to conclude a dessert cart was rolled over the aisles.


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Great variety of breads
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Another KU route
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Gorgeous mini éclair and opéra
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The cradle style seat was worn out, the pitch was ok for my size (175 cm) in seat position. In relaxation mode, i felt cramped as few cms were probably missing to provide a decent comfort. There was no electrical plug nor headset given. A PTV located in the armrest was not working either. However for a 2h journey a such lacklustre entertainment system was nothing dramatic. Luckily the nice weather over the Alps enabled to get a better show than the IFE.

Pillow and blanket
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Limited pitch for big size
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Recline better than AF, AZ, EZ...


A seagull, a falcon or a crane?
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one can clearly notice only 777s  Winkhttp://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab52/kigalilongwe/Paris/koweit6/PICT0061_zps1f2789cf.jpg

Only Planehunter knows all the mistakes


How many fifth freedom right routes in total?
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The Mont Blanc with la Vallée de Chamonix
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Then i've toured the aircraft to discover the Y section, before getting my jacket back from the nicest hostess.

2 – 4 – 2
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2 – 3 – 2
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Perfumes and oat milk branded Roger & Gallet
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Landing Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGYK_-Qb4zA


Landing on time and parking near a long hauler AZ at the T3 satellite G. Upon disembarking, i was curious to peek in the F class with the same number of seat than the C, unfortunately for your, i've been denied access in order to do not disturb the passenger continuing to Kuwait city.


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Airbus A300-605 9K-AME at Rome FCO
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Afterward we were put on hold a long 15 min in the jetbridge without any reason given. The whole business class left the plane and 50 people in Y headed toward the Eternal City.
My bag arrived third and i bade the Americans adieu.


Awaiting for the ground staff clearance
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nice gesture
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[Edited 2013-05-06 07:31:54]


Fly with Air Burundi, Air Tanzania, Air Uganda, Kenya Airways and Rwandair...Jumuiya ya Afrika mashariki
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User currently offlineeastafspot From France, joined Jan 2008, 746 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 18625 times:

2/ Rome FCO – Jeddah JED: Saudi Arabian, Economy, A320




As most you know, the main reason to select Saudia is based on its fabulous fares, including 25% FB miles but excluding booze on a long journeys... indeed i remained reluctant until i read Gabriel's fantastic report:
Asia 10: Take Me Home Saudia! DEL-RUH-LHR B777 (by gabrielchew Dec 5 2012 in Trip Reports)

After a preliminary search, i believe this is the first SV report to Africa  

With a comfortable connecting time between the 2 separate bookings, i've strolled around the airport. FCO is far from being the most attractive platform but i can not complain to much either.


Landside
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A bit stingy from ADR, considering the maximal distance to cover  http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab52/kigalilongwe/jeddah/DSC08142_zps4416a3a8.jpg

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The nativity scene according to Di Iorio
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With nothing much else to do, i walked to find a nice view overlooking at the traffic at the "Ciao Ristorante"

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Right on time to greet my previous ride


Meridiana and Kuwait
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Then, some 120 minutes to go, i lined up in the J/ST Elite status lane so it was quickly my turn. Oddly my 5kg extra luggage allowance was not accepted initially, furthermore the agent wanted me to put the ruck sack on hold because the weight was over the limit for 3kg, but not the volume though. As usual with a "per favore" and an honest explanation, everything can be sorted out. Grazzie mille  

At the opening of the check-in
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Fast track not advantageous because of the crowd
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After that i had to walk miles and miles ... just to catch up the air train

Endless corridor
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Is this terminal now completed?
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A bunch of regular visitors
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Which airport does not have its EK A380?
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So with some spare minutes to kill, before a dry flight what can we do?
Some spotting of course  

In order to preserve my batteries, these pics were taken with a cheap camera, my bad!
Moreover the dirty window panes did not help to improve the quality.


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A convenient location for pictures and moderately priced for an airport
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Anyway, everything is cheap before an 18h combo Saudia + Jeddah   
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Boarding was called on time and everybody went in a room downstairs to board the plane

Delivered from Toulouse factories the 21/07/2010
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Wednesday, the 26th of December 2012
Saudi Arabian Airlines SV202
Rome Fiumicino FCO – Jeddah JED
Distance: 2092 miles
Airbus A320-200 HZ – ASD
ETD/ETA: 15h50 – 21h25
ATD/ATA: 15h53 – 21h07





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Attractive business class
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Pillow and blanket already here
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The palm tree and the swords: this emblem is just beautiful
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Considering my measurement (175 cm), i never fight for an extra legroom seat, especially on a narrow-body due to the location over the wings reducing the view. In that case however, it was free to select one and also, the journey length slightly more than 4H contributed to go for it. thus i still recommend anyone to do so.


Very generous  http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab52/kigalilongwe/jeddah/DSC08172_zps7a9b34c3.jpg

Recline rather standard



The cabin crew came to distribute cold towel and newspapers then a safety demo and call for prayer before taking off, on time.


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The SV refreshing towel has the most delicate scent ever smelt, honestly   
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Arabic or english
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Pushback
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Ostia antica
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In no time after the seatbelt sign swithed off, headsets and a first round of drink were given.
Then followed the dinner, no paper menu was handed over but one, from the probably previous JED-FCO sector left in the seat pocket.


A refreshing and tasty guava juice
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Remote control is conveniently located on the side


Seat pocket content
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Network
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the biggest "table" out there
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Stainless steel silverware
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a fatty salmon
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the meat was overcooked and chewy
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Since i had not eaten for a while roughly from 10h30 that morning, i was starving and it was a good opportunity to show you the other dinner options. When i ordered an extra meal the very cute hostess brought me over without waiting a full new meal tray so here we go the chicken breast a bit too salty and some very tasty triple cheese lasagnas.


Other meal options with a chicken fillet or delicious lasagnas
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Coffee time
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The Jason Bourne movie without Matt Damon
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In the darkness
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The crew collected the remaining trashes, then offered hard boiled candies and secured the cabin for landing.
We were bussed into the terminal with the locally branded HSBC vehicles.


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HZ-ASD at Jeddah
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No HSBC jetbridge here, hence buses wear SABB advertisings
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Transfering at JED cannot be better explained than this way (written and posted by REIFEL in "Travel and poll forum" )

Quote:

JED airport however is a simple affair and can confirm no Visa is needed . You'll be bus boarded to arrivals. Directly after stepping into the building, there is a transfer desk, You will need to approach this desk, no matter if you already have your connecting boarding pass (which I had) or not. They will issue you a meal voucher.

Then they send you upstairs. There you pass through security (male and female separated). That's it. Once you're in the waiting hall, there is really nothing but a duty free ship and this food stall where you can use your voucher.

If you have a long layover, I strongly recommend you pay entry (some 20 EUR or so) for the SV Al Fursan lounge. It's nothing special, but they have decent food and wifi as well as computers you can use. bring a pullover, they really have cold air condition!

If you have an insreali stamp, even though in transit, I would be very cautious though. On departure in JED before boarding the bus to my transfer flight, security staff checks every passport for stamps.


[Edited 2013-05-06 06:55:02]

[Edited 2013-05-06 07:13:40]

[Edited 2013-05-06 07:36:56]


Fly with Air Burundi, Air Tanzania, Air Uganda, Kenya Airways and Rwandair...Jumuiya ya Afrika mashariki
User currently offlineeastafspot From France, joined Jan 2008, 746 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 18544 times:

3/ Jeddah JED – Johannesburg JNB: Saudi Arabian, Economy, B777




Before leaving home, a quick search taught me that i might be able to get into a First Class lounge in Jeddah for free. But here only the Al Fursan Golden lounge could be seen. The receptionist told me the aforementioned lounge was located in the North Terminal ... Bu**er!!


A time limited paying lounge, or free for ST Elite +
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Suddenly it all became a very long night of 7h transit. Also i had to fight with other passengers to find a working plug, as we could not count more than 5 in the whole airport. Thanks God for the longest transits SV provides a meal voucher.


My static vision for the next long hours
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Nothing fancy but better than nothing
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A Saudia Kingdom obviously
http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab52/kigalilongwe/Saudi447/DSC08257_zpse75f7276.jpg

A boarding gate example
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At that time foreign tourists were in majority and only few local women.
At the boarding time we were bussed again in a remote stance.

Boarding was called on time.
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a 13 yo aircraft
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A GE90
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Thursday, the 27th of December 2012
Saudi Arabian Airlines SV447
Jeddah JED – Johannesburg OR Tambo JNB
Distance: 3387 miles
Boeing 777-268ER HZ-AKR
ETD/ETA: 4h35 – 10h45
ATD/ATA: 4h38 – 10h42





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The Asian hostess who welcomed me was pretty, smiling and helpful.
This 777 has a high density configuration with i think 340 seats. The seats look really thin but actually the comfort was decent.


Not to much skin can be seen
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An enjoyable 10 abreast
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Maximum recline
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To avoid ife box, go for the aisle seats
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As boarding took a while, i visited the cabin before 2 friendly Turkish guys sat next to me. This twice weekly rotation was 70 to 80 % full. As usual an Islamic video of Qur'an is shown before taking off on time.


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Prayer area used for cart storage
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Newspapers distributed before taxing
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your thought goes to Allah Akbar
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Soon enough, the hostesses handed over a pouch with handy amenities, apart from the earplug missing the content was good.


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No earplugs
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Basic remote control, but it is a touchscreen PTV
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Some 45 min after pushing back, a 3 choices breakfast was served with either cheesy omelet, eggs hajj or strawberry pancakes. I opted for the first one which tasted really good and well portioned.

Stainless cutlery
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The omelet was not piping hot
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Close up
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I love cheese so it was perfect  http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab52/kigalilongwe/Saudi447/DSC08325_zpsbd2a83c3.jpg


For the rest of the flight the crew ensured that the window shades remained down.



Seat pocket content
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NYC et IAD are serviced from JED et RUH
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The Fleet with a B747-300


With better performances than my Tissot T-Touch, this amazing Casio!



Then when the sun rose, I watched a couple of blockbusters already edited to respect the local customs

Around Djibouti
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Dirty and neglected toilets
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Now isolated
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A good inflight movie
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While crossing the Equator and over East Africa, i discussed with the cool Turkish neighbours who informed me that they write TRs from time to time.


Bamburi and its airstrip, few miles from Mombasa
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North Pemba, part of Zanzibar Islands
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Dar Es Salaam
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Dar again
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Tchin tchin
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An interesting feature that is switched off for landing (???)

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About 2h prior landing and flying over the Mozambique, a light "starchy" snack was served along with a hot drink

Mozambique
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here is the pitch
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Descending to South Africa
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Video of landing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U04W9SH8LzU



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So many defunct airlines and unused Boeing 737/MD80: 1time, LAM, Congo Express
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Air Malawi, Rwandair Express, Global Air...
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Resting for the day
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Boeing 777-268ER HZ-AKR at O.R. Tambo
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Beautiful patterns on the flag
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Landing and disembarkation on time but little wait for the luggage.
Then instead of grabbing a cab at the let's say official taxi desk in the airport, i positively answered to a african man seeking for guest like in CDG. So being a newcomer with no idea about the fare, he scammed the equivalent of EUR 6 for the trip to the lodge nearby the airport despite this guy kept telling me it is a fair deal because he is even losing money...  , so be careful when you arrive there.
Initially i thought spending the afternoon spotting, but Airliners.net advices suggested to avoid this activity unless escorted by a local. So in the afternoon, i drank two glasses of Amarula on the rocks and rested until the next morning to catch the Rwandair flight to Kigali already reported here:

Rwandair,FastJet,Air Tanzania: JNB-KGL/MWZ-DAR-TKQ (by eastafspot Feb 17 2013 in Trip Reports)



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Welcome to paradise  http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab52/kigalilongwe/Saudi447/DSC08451_zpsb1d1ad91.jpg

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CONCLUSION



Kuwait Airways:

Obviously in 2013 you don't choose KU for their innovations and the hard product cannot match EK QR etc but the experience left a great impression especially onboard their classic AB6. I bet that the lounge in Paris sticks with the standard in Kuwait, but it did not really matter in tha specific day. I would not hesitate flying again KU, maybe not on a longer trip.


Saudi Arabian:

Saudia still appeals me for the incredible fare. The meal quantity is a good point, for the quality it's average on both flights. The crew was very friendly, but the only reason why i would not fly again with them remains the feelings and equipments at Jeddah airport, that i consider definitely worst than Nairobi. Maybe Ryadh shows another picture?




Thanks for reading, now feel free to comment or improve anything  .

EAS/ Léonard


Previous trip reports:

Rwandair,FastJet,Air Tanzania: JNB-KGL/MWZ-DAR-TKQ (by eastafspot Feb 17 2013 in Trip Reports)
Off To Uganda With Kenya Airways; AMS-NBO-EBB (by eastafspot Nov 9 2012 in Trip Reports)
Bye, Legendary & Loved BMI (J): ADD-AMM-LHR-EDI (by eastafspot Oct 28 2012 in Trip Reports)
Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH (by eastafspot Oct 21 2012 in Trip Reports)
Qatar Airways Inaugural (J): A Fifth Freedom Hop (by eastafspot Oct 3 2012 in Trip Reports)
A Journey In Deutsch-OstAfrika & Zanzibar (by eastafspot Dec 8 2011 in Trip Reports)
Swimming Places: Hilton To Burundi By Fly540 (by eastafspot Sep 25 2011 in Trip Reports)
3 A's: Airshow, AirFrance, Avro; ORY-MPL-CDG-EDI (by eastafspot Jul 9 2011 in Trip Reports)
Eastern Airways And Flybe To Paris Air Show (by eastafspot Jul 4 2011 in Trip Reports)
Mombasa Beckons (J): New Rwandair VS Kenya Airways (by eastafspot May 12 2011 in Trip Reports)
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User currently offlinenelsony From Australia, joined Jun 2011, 108 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 17642 times:

I enjoyed your trip report eastafspot. Very thorough and interesting. I don't think I have ever read a Kuwait Air service to Africa, so you are the first.
You picked almost two extra stops and added about 10+++ extra hours on your trip! I hope the fare was worth the extra travel time.  
But then again, many A.net would always choose the longest journey with many stops instead of direct, just so they can write a report! lol
In other topics! I will be visiting your lovely city of Paris in 3 weeks, and I have also done 3 stops to Paris, just so I can get extra travel time and write a TR.


User currently offlineomidp From Canada, joined Jun 2010, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 17476 times:

Awesome TR. Thank you  

User currently offlineRogerbcn From Andorra, joined Sep 2006, 1197 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 17401 times:

Hola Léonard!

A great report on two airlines we do not get much information about.

Nice to see the old-looking KU cabin, the seat and hardware may be just OK for today's expectations, but the service you got on the two hour flight to FCO is very impressive, very few airlines offer such a great service on a two hour flight, you may get a hot meal but even LH and LX only serve cold cuts on their flights on a length up to two hours, they do offer some alcohol though  

The SV experience is quite interesting as well, transferring at JED does not seem a major problem (besides the Israel's visa) and the idea of a meal voucher for long layovers seems a nice idea.
Flying them seems quite OK: so-so food, OK seat... and for the price you talked about, it seems a great investment.

Sure you enjoyed South Africa!

Salut!

Roger



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User currently offlineeastafspot From France, joined Jan 2008, 746 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 17283 times:

Hi Nelsony

Thank you so much for your reply and your kind comment

Quoting nelsony (Reply 3):
I enjoyed your trip report eastafspot. Very thorough and interesting.

Glad you liked it, much appreciated  
Quoting nelsony (Reply 3):
I don't think I have ever read a Kuwait Air service to Africa, so you are the first.

Again, thank you. KU goes to Egypt and ADD, probably they are not their main market That's probably why there are only few reports.

Quoting nelsony (Reply 3):
You picked almost two extra stops and added about 10+++ extra hours on your trip! I hope the fare was worth the extra travel time.  

Suprisingly yes compared to a direct flight from Paris. Also a sector was in business on a classic aircraft   .

Quoting nelsony (Reply 3):
But then again, many A.net would always choose the longest journey with many stops instead of direct, just so they can write a report! lol

You got the point   .

Quoting nelsony (Reply 3):
In other topics! I will be visiting your lovely city of Paris in 3 weeks,

Really, that's very nice!
How long will you stay there?
Just in Paris or somewhere else in France too?

Quoting nelsony (Reply 3):
and I have also done 3 stops to Paris, just so I can get extra travel time and write a TR.

Will you come from Australia?
with which airline?

Cannot wait to read your TRs

Quoting omidp (Reply 4):
Awesome TR. Thank you  

Thank you OMIDP for reading and commenting  



Hola nice to read your reply

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 5):
A great report on two airlines we do not get much information about.

Muchas gracias!

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 5):
the service you got on the two hour flight to FCO is very impressive,

So true, even if i have not got any clue about C class service in Europe

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 5):
they do offer some alcohol though  

hehe, with KU you can still have some at the airport lounges outside Middle East  
Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 5):
transferring at JED does not seem a major problem
JED lacks of charm and is dour, thus it is bearable for a couple of hours only, but 3 hour or more...ouch

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 5):
it seems a great investment.

You are definitely right!

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 5):
Sure you enjoyed South Africa!

just few hours only 

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User currently offline767747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1916 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 16299 times:
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Great report! Looks like you had some good flights. Kuwait Airways looks amazing - and the service on your flight to Rome sure beats any other airline on that route!

Thanks for sharing,

Matthew (767747)


User currently offlinenelsony From Australia, joined Jun 2011, 108 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 16290 times:

Hello eastafspot,

I hope you write a TR for the return journey to Paris  
Quoting eastafspot (Reply 6):
Really, that's very nice!
How long will you stay there?
Just in Paris or somewhere else in France too?

Well this is my second time in Paris, i was there two years ago. I'm sure yet where I will go, its a two weeks stay, because I am spending time also in lisbon, barcelona and london.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 6):
Will you come from Australia?
with which airline?

Cannot wait to read your TRs

Yes ill be flying out of Melbourne, Australia.

I will be flying business on Royal Brunei, Etihad and the last leg is Etihad operated by Air France, because EY wet lease the plane for AF, they decided to change to aircraft 3 months after I booked and they gave me the option of changing to another flight operated by EY, but it would mean i had to change all of my flights because i didnt want 15 hours waiting at Manila airport! which I think will rival your boredom of Ridayh airport! lol

So my flight will be Melbourne - Brunei - Manila - Abu Dhabi - Paris total travel time 34 hours and 10 minutes!
Melbourne - Brunei - Manila will be Royal Brunei Airlines
Manila - AUH - CDG will be Etihad/Air France.

It will be a lot of fun! i hope...


User currently offlineeastafspot From France, joined Jan 2008, 746 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 15407 times:

Thanks guys for the new replies

Quoting 767747 (Reply 7):
Great report!

Glad you've enjoyed Matthew

Quoting 767747 (Reply 7):
Looks like you had some good flights. Kuwait Airways looks amazing - and the service on your flight to Rome sure beats any other airline on that route!

   .
Especially the pre-take off service and the dessert cart... i loved it



Welcome back Neslony  
Quoting nelsony (Reply 8):
I hope you write a TR for the return journey to Paris  

Yes but probably not everything, it will depend...

Quoting nelsony (Reply 8):
Well this is my second time in Paris, i was there two years ago. I'm sure yet where I will go, its a two weeks stay, because I am spending time also in lisbon, barcelona and london.

You are really lucky to include many different beautiful cities, how long will you stay approximately in each place?

Quoting nelsony (Reply 8):
I will be flying business on Royal Brunei,

Hum is it a dry airline too?

Quoting nelsony (Reply 8):
So my flight will be Melbourne - Brunei - Manila - Abu Dhabi - Paris total travel time 34 hours and 10 minutes!
Melbourne - Brunei - Manila will be Royal Brunei Airlines
Manila - AUH - CDG will be Etihad/Air France.

   wow that is an extended trip indeed, i just hope you won't be too tired and jet-lagged on arrival..

Quoting nelsony (Reply 8):
It will be a lot of fun! i hope...

Please come back and share it here  



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User currently offlinenelsony From Australia, joined Jun 2011, 108 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 15256 times:

hello Eastafspot

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 9):
Yes but probably not everything, it will depend...

If you have time, it would make interesting reading.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 9):

You are really lucky to include many different beautiful cities, how long will you stay approximately in each place?

Lisbon and Barcelona and London, only 4 days each because it is more of a whirlwind tour. I will mostly just catch up on the galleries, museums and shows. Eat a lot of food, since I love eating.
And almost 3 weeks in Paris, I'm hoping to squeeze in tours of wineries and drink litres of red wine. I think I will come back from Paris a few kilograms fatter, because French food is so rich.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 9):
Hum is it a dry airline too?

Yes it is a dry airline, so for 10 hours or so, I will not be able to drink any alcohol. However Royal Brunei does allow you to purchase duty free alcohol at the airport and bring it on board and they will serve it to you. But it is only 10 hours. Can't be that hard.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 9):

Yes it will be a test! I hope not.... fingers crossed.


User currently offlinesultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1661 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 14603 times:
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Hi Léonard,

Many thanks for this most interesting report! You’ve got some great additions to the log here on 2 rather exotic carriers. KU is indeed way behind in hardware but the software looks rather good. SV is a bit better on the hardware side but that late inflight sandwich snack on the JED-JNB sector looks kinda poor.

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Nils: A Taste Of The Middle East On KU: BRU-FRA-GVA-BRU (by sultanils Nov 14 2011 in Trip Reports)

Thanks for the reference!

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
What is the best between flying the classic AB6 or getting a newer cabin on their A340?

That’s a difficult pick. I’d say both, they’re on an exotic carrier anyway  

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Sad for SN, out of the Hall 4

Looks like they’ve been thrown out of the *A 

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
The beauty named after the oilfield "AL-RWADHATAIN"

Is it an oilfield? Didn’t know that! BTW, I logged the same aircraft back then, what a nice coincidence.

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
The "flying saucer" or the "Camembert"

  

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Another KU route

That would be GVA, right? I see a part of the lake...

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
The SV refreshing towel has the most delicate scent ever smelt, honestly

I believe you!

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
A boarding gate example

What a funny sight. Men and women separated. Doesn’t make easier for overall airport organisation though.

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
With better performances than my Tissot T-Touch, this amazing Casio

A watch with a prayer compas, now that’s a cool feature  

Sultanils



In thrust we trust.
User currently offlineeastafspot From France, joined Jan 2008, 746 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14314 times:

More comments are always appreciated, thanks guys  

@Nelsony

Quoting nelsony (Reply 10):
Lisbon and Barcelona and London, only 4 days each because it is more of a whirlwind tour. I will mostly just catch up on the galleries, museums and shows. Eat a lot of food, since I love eating.
And almost 3 weeks in Paris, I'm hoping to squeeze in tours of wineries and drink litres of red wine. I think I will come back from Paris a few kilograms fatter, because French food is so rich.

LOL, 4 days will allow you enough time to focus on the main interests, maybe not in London though.

In Paris, i do recommend to go to the restaurant called Bouillon Chartier in the 9th district, the atmosphere is really nice, the menu is composed of all the french specialities of the former working class, hence the prices do also match their budgets...

Quoting nelsony (Reply 10):
Yes it is a dry airline, so for 10 hours or so, I will not be able to drink any alcohol. However Royal Brunei does allow you to purchase duty free alcohol at the airport and bring it on board and they will serve it to you. But it is only 10 hours. Can't be that hard.

that is very nice, what is the rule for this nation?


@ Nils

Quoting sultanils (Reply 11):
Many thanks for this most interesting report!

Glad you've stopped by and enjoyed it

Quoting sultanils (Reply 11):
KU is indeed way behind in hardware but the software looks rather good. SV is a bit better on the hardware side but that late inflight sandwich snack on the JED-JNB sector looks kinda poor.

Great analysis

Quoting sultanils (Reply 11):
Thanks for the reference!

You are very welcome  
Quoting sultanils (Reply 11):
BTW, I logged the same aircraft back then, what a nice coincidence.

Oh really?that's nice, i should have mentioned it here, sorry

Quoting sultanils (Reply 11):
That would be GVA, right? I see a part of the lake...

well done!

Quoting sultanils (Reply 11):
A watch with a prayer compas, now that’s a cool feature  

Yeah man exactly what i thought  

[Edited 2013-05-08 08:56:39]


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User currently offlineakhmad From Netherlands, joined Sep 2005, 2438 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 14052 times:

Bonjour Léonard,

First of all I would like to say, “BRAVO!”
It’s like reading 1001 Nights!   


Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Here is the routing "totally" dry for this new trip report:

The routing might be totally dry, but the airlines involved, food wise, are just mouthwatering!

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Sandeep: Earning Your Trust, KU Business Class To JFK (by AI151 Jul 8 2010 in Trip Reports)

May he rest in peace!   


Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Any idea where does it come from?

Qatar?  


Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
First Class treatment again  

Yay! Lounge invitation!

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Internet connection pretty slow

I remember myself looking at the same page on the same day! It’s so funny!  


Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Nicolas Feuillate to start this "dry" day   

Oh la la!

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
The numerous pictures taken drew the attention of other guests previously seen at check-in and asked questions about all the details needed in that lounge.

Did you become the guide of the guests? How nice!

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
1) Welcome drinks
2) Newspapers
3) Oshiboris
4) Pitted and dried dates
5) Delicious Arabic coffee
6) Drink order for the flight meal

   Thank you for capturing these sequences!

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
My choices:

Tropical and nuts?

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Great variety of breads

  


Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Gorgeous mini éclair and opéra

All served from dedicated dessert trolley!   


Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
A PTV located in the armrest was not working either. However for a 2h journey a such lacklustre entertainment system was nothing dramatic.

True! I would have spent those hours wandering through the cabin and having a chat with the hostesses!

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
nice gesture

  


Quoting eastafspot (Reply 1):
After a preliminary search, i believe this is the first SV report to Africa  

Congratulation!

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 1):
As usual with a "per favore" and an honest explanation, everything can be sorted out. Grazzie mille  

Way to go!  


Quoting eastafspot (Reply 1):
In that case however, it was free to select one and also, the journey length slightly more than 4H contributed to go for it. thus i still recommend anyone to do so.

British Airways offered emergency exit seats for free as well last the time we flew with it!

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 1):
The SV refreshing towel has the most delicate scent ever smelt, honestly   

I believe you!

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 1):
the biggest "table" out there

Enough for two trays at the same time!

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 1):
When i ordered an extra meal the very cute hostess brought me over without waiting a full new meal tray so here we go the chicken breast a bit too salty and some very tasty triple cheese lasagnas.

Bravo Saudia!   


Quoting eastafspot (Reply 2):
Nothing fancy but better than nothing

It still looks edible! I love the color of the rice!

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 2):
Dirty and neglected toilets

Really? Your nice photo doesn’t show it that way!

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 2):
I love cheese so it was perfect  

Do I spot a slice of haloumi cheese there?


Thank you for sharing this wonderful bedtime story! The joy of Arabian nights to Africa!  

All the bests,
Suryo  

[Edited 2013-05-08 12:59:46]


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User currently offlineeastafspot From France, joined Jan 2008, 746 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 13941 times:

Hello Suryo

Thank you so much for your kind words and taking time to read it  
Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
First of all I would like to say, “BRAVO!”

hartelijk dank  
Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
The routing might be totally dry, but the airlines involved, food wise, are just mouthwatering!

Totally agree, especially the breakfast on Saudia

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
May he rest in peace!  

Yes of course   

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
Qatar?  

LOL, well done   

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
I remember myself looking at the same page on the same day! It’s so funny!  

Really??? you have a such good memory

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
   Thank you for capturing these sequences!

glad you like it but i had to  
Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
British Airways offered emergency exit seats for free as well last the time we flew with it!

True, do you know the policy for the long haul flights?

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
Really? Your nice photo doesn’t show it that way!

thanks for you careful observation, i meant to say the previous passenger did not bother cleaning

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
Do I spot a slice of haloumi cheese there?

It looks like, but i'm not 100 % sure



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User currently offlineakhmad From Netherlands, joined Sep 2005, 2438 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13759 times:

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 14):
do you know the policy for the long haul flights?

Nowadays, they are only available on additional fee from £50/€60/$75 each.   

[Edited 2013-05-08 23:39:44]


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User currently offlinereifel From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 1329 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 13655 times:

Excellent report, thanks for sharing.

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):

1) Paris CDG – Rome FCO: Kuwait Airways, Business, A300
2) Rome FCO – Jeddah JED: Saudia, Economy, A320
3) Jeddah JED – Johannesburg JNB: Saudia, Economy, B777


That is a great itinerary!

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Flight information sheet

This is really cool. I remember AF does this from time to time, but it makes you feel being on a "special" journey. Like in the old days when a map with the flight plan was postet near the galley on long haul flights.

I was suprised that AF has a lounge in T1...

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Anyway, everything is cheap before an 18h combo Saudia + Jeddah

Love their new branding. All boarding passes, magazines, safety cards etc, even the amenity kit content, has this design.

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Considering my measurement (175 cm), i never fight for an extra legroom seat, especially on a narrow-body due to the location over the wings reducing the view. In that case however, it was free to select one and also, the journey length slightly more than 4H contributed to go for it. thus i still recommend anyone to do so.

This is great with Saudia. On some jumbo jets (I believe the 743) they have business class seating on the upper deck, but sell it as economy class. So you an just select a regular business class seat ahead (not sure if it will be granted at the airport, but I believe that yes, unless the plane is so empty that they have the upper deck unstaffed and do not put passengers there).

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
In no time after the seatbelt sign swithed off, headsets and a first round of drink were given.
Then followed the dinner, no paper menu was handed over but one, from the probably previous JED-FCO sector left in the seat pocket.

Strange, I had a menu on all my flights on SV.

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Since i had not eaten for a while roughly from 10h30 that morning, i was starving and it was a good opportunity to show you the other dinner options. When i ordered an extra meal the very cute hostess brought me over without waiting a full new meal tray so here we go the chicken breast a bit too salty and some very tasty triple cheese lasagnas.

Very nice gesture. I must say that catering out of JED seemed pretty good on my flights, maybe it's different out of FCO.

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Suddenly it all became a very long night of 7h transit. Also i had to fight with other passengers to find a working plug, as we could not count more than 5 in the whole airport. Thanks God for the longest transits SV provides a meal voucher.

Yes, this airport is really nothing special, but I didn't found it tooo bad. Not ugly or so. Just pretty boring and cold. But not a dump or something. like some reports on the internet suggested it. That said, I spend a lot of time during my long layover in the lounge..

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Nothing fancy but better than nothing

Looks pretty good actually, and it's cool that SV cares about getting their passengers fed during the layover at all.

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Soon enough, the hostesses handed over a pouch with handy amenities, apart from the earplug missing the content was good.

Love it!

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Some 45 min after pushing back, a 3 choices breakfast was served with either cheesy omelet, eggs hajj or strawberry pancakes. I opted for the first one which tasted really good and well portioned.

On JED-MXP they even offered 4 breakfast choices, really incredible. I even got a meal bigger than any european carrier serves on transatlantic flights on the KWI-JED hop... They really kept you fed, altough I got better meals on a shorter JED-MXP sector (nicer sandwiches at night and a great breakfast before arrival).

Honestly, I found SV really good. They might not be fancy as EK or EY or such, but they're cheap and pretty good value for money (at least in the gulf and European area, I believe to Subindia and Southeast Asia it's another story). Too bad JED is really not nice for long layovers (but fine if you just have an hour or too), but at the airport as well as in the air - other than no booze and the prayer - it's nothing about exotic or not recommandable for women or so. All pretty normal and nice staff, good seating and good food.


User currently onlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6503 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13449 times:

Bonjour Leonard!

Thanks for another amazing report with amazing pictures !

KU looks very nice but a bit old-style. Nice meal and choices that come with it.

I flew FCO-CDG in 1999 with SV on their 777 which was very nice.

SV looks very good too; amazing room on the 320 and meal actually looks really good to me.

The transit in JED seems really long.....and it must not be so great to do that at night....

The 777 looks nice too; it's been refurbished since I flew them. It used to be 2-5-2.

Great to see branded cutlery on both KU and SV!

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 2):
With better performances than my Tissot T-Touch, this amazing Casio!

Interesting!

I'm very much looking forward to your next report, Leonard!

Merci!

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User currently offlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 850 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 13218 times:

The funny thing (which I think you didn't do on purpose) is how everything in your report seems to be taken directly from the 70s or 80s... CDG T1, KU's A300, FCO and JED. SV... their planes are new (A320) or refurbished (B777) but still they have this quite outdated feeling.

User currently onlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1295 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 13161 times:

Hey,

Thank you for great report - the peak into Saudi Arabia is very interesting.

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Nicolas Feuillate to start this "dry" day drunk

I will never understand this European obsession to booze, can't a grown man survive 24 hours without alcohol?

The fare was indeed great, but you must have been exhausted arriving in South Africa.

Very interesting read, thank you for shearing.
Jonathan



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User currently offlineEmek96 From Germany, joined Apr 2013, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12945 times:

Hi eastafspot !

Great report of this for sure two interesting airlines !

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Johannes: Personal Service On A Classic Plane: KU Business (by luxair747SP Mar 9 2011 in Trip Reports)

I've been together with my brother (luxair747sp) on this KU flight also in Business, and I was too very impressed by their good and personal service, strangely, the lunch on our flight was next to the same as the breakfast on your flight, but it tasted very good in the end on our flight.

In my opinion it is also very nice or better interesting to fly from or to CDG T1, wich is a very impressive and unique (well the same is AUH) terminal.

Saudi Arabian also looks quite good, better than I would have expected !

Thanks again for this report


User currently offlineeastafspot From France, joined Jan 2008, 746 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12834 times:

Many thanks guys for your support and feedbacks.   .


Hi Suryo,

Quoting akhmad (Reply 15):
Nowadays, they are only available on additional fee from £50/€60/$75 each.   

That's not to bad considering the legroom must be better than on short haul, and also for 3h+ journeys.


Hello Reifel

Quoting reifel (Reply 16):
Excellent report, thanks for sharing.
Quoting reifel (Reply 16):
That is a great itinerary!

Vielen Danke   .

Quoting reifel (Reply 16):
This is really cool. I remember AF does this from time to time, but it makes you feel being on a "special" journey. Like in the old days when a map with the flight plan was postet near the galley on long haul flights.

Yeah very true, KLM did that also in a flight from africa

Quoting reifel (Reply 16):
I was suprised that AF has a lounge in T1...

I believe it was used for the Concorde Flights operated from T1

Quoting reifel (Reply 16):
This is great with Saudia. On some jumbo jets (I believe the 743) they have business class seating on the upper deck, but sell it as economy class. So you an just select a regular business class seat ahead (not sure if it will be granted at the airport, but I believe that yes, unless the plane is so empty that they have the upper deck unstaffed and do not put passengers there).

Amazing, is it sold as premium eco or just eco?

Quoting reifel (Reply 16):
I must say that catering out of JED seemed pretty good on my flights, maybe it's different out of FCO.

Maybe reheating alters the food quality

Quoting reifel (Reply 16):
But not a dump or something. like some reports on the internet suggested it.

LOL, well internet is sometimes a "dump", however Saudi Arabia is not a third world country and JED is their main hub, hence i don't understand why this is not better?

Quoting reifel (Reply 16):
That said, I spend a lot of time during my long layover in the lounge..

they told me the maximum stay must not exceed 3h...

Quoting reifel (Reply 16):
Looks pretty good actually, and it's cool that SV cares about getting their passengers fed during the layover at all.

   .

Quoting reifel (Reply 16):
On JED-MXP they even offered 4 breakfast choices, really incredible. I even got a meal bigger than any european carrier serves on transatlantic flights on the KWI-JED hop... They really kept you fed, altough I got better meals on a shorter JED-MXP sector (nicer sandwiches at night and a great breakfast before arrival).

   , they must attract guest in a way or another, that's clever idea to do so...!

Quoting reifel (Reply 16):
Honestly, I found SV really good. They might not be fancy as EK or EY or such, but they're cheap and pretty good value for money (at least in the gulf and European area, I believe to Subindia and Southeast Asia it's another story)

I do agree 100 %



Good evening Lars

Quoting The777Man (Reply 17):
Bonjour Leonard!

Bonsoir, comment ça va?    .

Quoting The777Man (Reply 17):
Thanks for another amazing report with amazing pictures !

Merci beaucoup c'est très gentil!

Quoting The777Man (Reply 17):
KU looks very nice but a bit old-style. Nice meal and choices that come with it.

that what it makes its charm   !

Quoting The777Man (Reply 17):
I flew FCO-CDG in 1999 with SV on their 777 which was very nice.

Very lucky man, was the service as generous as KU and better than the legacies?

Quoting The777Man (Reply 17):
SV looks very good too; amazing room on the 320 and meal actually looks really good to me.

Yup it was good but not great apart the lasagnas, delicious

Quoting The777Man (Reply 17):
The 777 looks nice too; it's been refurbished since I flew them. It used to be 2-5-2.

oh gosh if you are stuck in the middle... Wow! , btw is it better for you 3-3-3 or that one

Quoting The777Man (Reply 17):
I'm very much looking forward to your next report, Leonard!

In preparation...

Quoting The777Man (Reply 17):
Merci!

Avec plaisir  



Hello SCQ83

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 18):
The funny thing (which I think you didn't do on purpose) is how everything in your report seems to be taken directly from the 70s or 80s... CDG T1, KU's A300, FCO and JED. SV... their planes are new (A320) or refurbished (B777) but still they have this quite outdated feeling.

LOL, i call that kitsch that counts  


Hi Jonathan

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 19):
Very interesting read, thank you for shearing.
Quoting EL-AL (Reply 19):
Thank you for great report - the peak into Saudi Arabia is very interesting.

Thank you for reading and commenting, glad you've enjoyed  
Quoting EL-AL (Reply 19):
I will never understand this European obsession to booze, can't a grown man survive 24 hours without alcohol?

To be honest, 1) it was the continuity of the eve's party, and 2) it was more a kind of joke for the report, nothing more. Don't you drink at all?

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 19):
The fare was indeed great, but you must have been exhausted arriving in South Africa.

So true, never again because i went to bed at 6pm.


Guten abend Emek96

Quoting Emek96 (Reply 20):
Great report of this for sure two interesting airlines

Herzlichen Dank!

Quoting Emek96 (Reply 20):
I've been together with my brother (luxair747sp) on this KU flight also in Business

Glad to learn this, your very good report inspired me to write that one. Greet your brother as soon as possible   

Quoting Emek96 (Reply 20):
and I was too very impressed by their good and personal service, strangely, the lunch on our flight was next to the same as the breakfast on your flight, but it tasted very good in the end on our flight.

LOL, KU doesn't make any different between lunch and breakfast, the menu doesn't change that often either  
Quoting Emek96 (Reply 20):
In my opinion it is also very nice or better interesting to fly from or to CDG T1, wich is a very impressive and unique (well the same is AUH) terminal.

the overall atmosphere is nice but CDG is not convenient

Quoting Emek96 (Reply 20):
Thanks again for this report

Gern geschehen  

[Edited 2013-05-10 13:31:08]


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User currently onlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6503 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12782 times:

Bon Apres-midi Leonard!

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 21):
was the service as generous as KU and better than the legacies?

SV had a very nice breakfast but I was in Y and not C.....flight was only about 15-20 % full. The load factor is probably one reason they changed to a smaller aircraft to CDG and FCO. My original plan for my trip last month, was to try both KU and SV again but it didn't work out.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 21):
oh gosh if you are stuck in the middle...  , btw is it better for you 3-3-3 or that one

I've been stuck in the center of 5 on a CDG-SFO flight so I'm not a fan of that configuration.....I much prefer 3-3-3 especially since most flights are quite full nowadays.

The777Man



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User currently offlineflightsimboy From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12678 times:
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I cannot wait for SV to begin flights to YYZ later this year. Will be interesting to see what fares they offer, along with Egyptair from June 2nd.

As far as KU is concerned I need to post pics of my flights taken with them almost a decade and half ago..how time flies.

Great report and glad you could experience these two airlines.

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
time to go to the most beautiful continent: Africa.

Hope someday to truly go to Africa!!


User currently offlineeastafspot From France, joined Jan 2008, 746 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 12514 times:

Bonjour Lars

Quoting The777Man (Reply 22):
Bon Apres-midi Leonard!

Merci, Oh i forgot the time zones...

Quoting The777Man (Reply 22):
SV had a very nice breakfast but I was in Y and not C.....flight was only about 15-20 % full

Yes sorry i should have mentioned this precision. Nowadays you can only "enjoy" a truly cold mini croissant (2 if you really insist  )

Quoting The777Man (Reply 22):
flight was only about 15-20 % full. The load factor is probably one reason they changed to a smaller aircraft to CDG and FCO.

Very interesting, was the flight originating from RUH of JED?
Maybe your 777 had less frequencies than those daily narrow bodies.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 22):
My original plan for my trip last month, was to try both KU and SV again but it didn't work out.

Hope you'll be able to make it next time, on which route did you intend to fly KU (777?)?

Quoting The777Man (Reply 22):
I've been stuck in the center of 5 on a CDG-SFO flight so I'm not a fan of that configuration.....

LOL, that sounds obvious now. I still feel sorry for you on that moment   


Hey flightsimboy

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 23):

I cannot wait for SV to begin flights to
Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 23):
As far as KU is concerned I need to post pics of my flights taken with them almost a decade and half ago..how time flies.

That would be very useful in order to compare the evolution   .

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 23):
Great report and glad you could experience these two airlines.

Many thanks for these kind words  .

[Edited 2013-05-11 02:10:28]


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25 EL-AL : I do drink from time to time, yet not having the option to drink on long howl flight was not something I would give any attention to. But that is cul
26 The777Man : Bonjour Leonard! I don't recall if it was JED or RUH......I think CDG had a daily flight; via FCO three days a week and nonstop the rest. I think they
27 Post contains images eastafspot : Hey Jonathan, As you know France is the country, by excellence, of wine. Any meal is enjoyable with a glass of white, red or bubbly, even better if it
28 Post contains images MSS658 : Hey Eastafspot Interesting itin you have there and great to follow! Looks like the front part of -AME looks as dated as Y! However service is superb c
29 sjacob : Hey eastaspot, I like this TR...KU seems over powered by the three major GCC and it is struggling to keep afloat just like GF and RJ. I do like the ro
30 Post contains images eastafspot : Hey Marc, Very pleased to read you comment thanks Totally correct! You are welcome . Hello Jacob, glad you've stopped by and dropped off a comment . I
31 nelsony : Royal Brunei is a mini airline for Brunei Darrusalem, and it is ruled by the sultan. they are muslim, which is why the airline is a dry one. I am ver
32 rahulrahul : Hello, Really nice TR! I bought these planes on the A300-AB6 back in '09 from KWI-MAA! Rahul
33 Post contains images eastafspot : Bonsoir et bienvenue Nelsony . Thanks for the explanation and Impressive good value for the ticket, well done!! Can you just clearing up doubts: is it
34 Post contains images nelsony : Bon jour Interesting about that 5th freedom route. BI has quirky pricing system. For example to fly from Melbourne to Manila in business with a stopov
35 Post contains images PlaneHunter : Hi Léo! Excellent report with many great pictures, well done! KU and SV is indeed an interesting combo. While the KU J Class product is far from impr
36 rahulrahul : I got 1 777 and a A340. The 340 is my fav personally.
37 Post contains images eastafspot : Bonsoir Nelsony, Very odd indeed! They probably have the monopoly on this route thin (?) on passengers Excellent tips, exactly what i was looking for,
38 Post contains links and images nelsony : bonjour eastafspot no problems, flightstats is free too and basic way to check available J tickets on routes/flights. flightstats is my best friend, c
39 Post contains images adamspotter : Hi Leonard, Another great report on 2 airlines that are not covered all to much here What a great combo to fly KU and SV down to Africa.. Although KUs
40 Post contains images eastafspot : Bonjour Nelsony, There is KVS too i think but it's free for a month or so... WOW, now that is one of the best CDG lounges after the "AF La Premiere at
41 Post contains images nelsony : bonsoir ah yes, i havent used KVS yet. but i will check it out. AF La Premiere has spa/masseuse I think? Yes not to worry, I will take lots of photos
42 lukeyboy95 : Greetings Leonard. It took me quite a while to get through this report, which I found to be excellently written and very interesting in contact. Congr
43 signol : Hi Leo, Thanks for this informative, and excellent report! Displaying 2 separate A.netter prizes. KU looks to be good, as much as is possible for a dr
44 Post contains images eastafspot : Hey guys Thank you so much for the extra comments well appreciated. let me apologize to answer with delay Renfe is allright, better than some regional
45 celestar : Hi, nice travel report, hopefully you can get more photo in sharp next time! Really like your Qatar Airlines alarm clock, classic look, wonder where t
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