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Oldie Vs Youngling: Sapporo With A 737 And A 787  
User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 799 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16208 times:

Jazzed Up Oldie vs Spunky Newcomer

Prologue

I decided to write up this report in celebration of the 787's return to the skies after its brief flying hiatus due to heartburn troubles (aka exploding battery). These flights took place during the last days of 2012 in the midst of a winter journey to Sapporo, Japan.

While I had assured myself that I would never ever visit Hokkaido in wintertime, since, you know, winters pretty much suck and they have a nasty tendency to last about 6 months in Sapporo; The allure of soup curry, hot steamy onsens and dirt cheap hotel rooms was just too much for me to resist, the flesh is weak.

The main focus of this report shall be the flights on Korean Air and ANA, however I shall include some highlights from the "positioning" flights from San Diego to Incheon.

Delta from San Diego to Incheon


Delta check-in at San Diego


737-800 to Detroit


PDB done, check


View of Tijuana (aka, home) during departure from San Diego


N861DA, arrived from Detroit the previous evening. Would later fly the same bird to Incheon


The perks of arriving at the Skyclub at 5am


Breakfast essentials


Detroit Skyclub


See? Detroit does have nice things


N861DA at the tarmac in DTW


Charge up before you take off


The view from 2A


De-icing really messes up your window views


Takeoff during a blizzard, full of uncertainty


Appetizer, melon and crab salad, carrot ginger soup


Salad


Chicken and artichoke sauce, polenta, green beans


Too full for a big dessert, just cheesecake please  


Scallop and steak snack


Polar route baby !


Overflying Turkey Mountain in Russia


Frosty fields in China


Sweet onion quiche before landing


The route to Incheon has you flying west of Korea and then back east


Peach at Seoul

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User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 799 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16194 times:

Transfer in Seoul

My past experiences passing through Incheon had been quite positive, therefore I was expecting smooth sailing.


Disembarking after a 14 hour flight

The first stop was at a Korean Air transfer desk, where we arrived just in time before a queue formed. The agents were friendly although some of them were dealing with difficult passengers.

We were issued our seats for the ICN-CTS flight and afterwards proceeded to the transit security checkpoint which was swamped. It got more annoying when a group of wily passengers from a certain big country that spans Europe and Asia decided shamelessly to cut in line; and before you ask, yes I saw their passports, one big mobster looking guy and his collagen lipped lady were particularly aggressive in pushing people around, when they passed through me I did not make it easy and was tempted to call them out more aggressively, but this guy was big… and frankly I wanted to get to my destination without a black eye or having to file a police report; They weren't late as I saw Madame Duck Lips nonchalantly doing duty free shopping later, grrr, some passengers !

Reclearing security took about 25 minutes which wasn't too bad considering the long line and naughty pax. However I wonder if the whole experience would have been smoother if we had just entered the country and gone through regular security.

Once airside Incheon is always very nice, great views, lots of seating, eating, shopping. I was determined to get some juice out of my Priority Pass so I headed to the HUB Lounge which was very crowded. Given the fees that American Express charges nowadays, I was compelled to suck it up and go in to get some value out of my previously doled out moolah. Food offerings were quiet varied, but I was still very full from the DTW-ICN flight, so I just had a couple of drinks.


Holiday lighting still reigns supreme


HUB Lounge at ICN


Lounge getting quieter just as I have to leave

After I had a nice buzz going I left the somewhat less crowded lounge to enjoy the sights and sounds of Incheon before hopping on the plane.


Incheon during the holidays

It always amazes me to see the choice of destinations one can reach through an easy connection at Incheon. Siem Reap, Phnom Penh, Chiang Mai, Bali. So many interesting places.

Once at the gate, I asked the gate agent if there were any rows with vacant aisle and window seats (as I NEED a window, and my buddy is adamant about having an aisle), and she indeed was kind enough to find a lovely row with the middle seat empty.


Gate 34 to Sapporo


Gate 33 headed to Chiang Mai


Korean Air to Sapporo

Korean Air 795
ICN-CTS
B737-800
18:50-21:10
Y Class


Boarding was called right on schedule, and we boarded the 737-800 which was fortunately one of the birds with the new signature interior. I had previously flown on one of KE's 737-900s from REP to ICN but it was nice to see the new interior on one of the "smaller" 738's.


Chiang Mai bound A330


Inside our fresh 737 bound for frosty Sapporo


KE 737 Cabin Views


Big IFE screens !


Beyond IFE


Handy map showing our location


View of first class


Another A330 to our right

Crew was very friendly as has been my previous experience on KE. Passengers seemed to be an eclectic mix, with lots of Australians, probably headed to Niseko.


Pulling out of ICN


Saying goodbye to our gate


ICN really is KE Land


Moodlighting… check


View of ICN after takeoff


Songdo after takeoff

Our flight took us on a surprising route to me, as I had expected us to head east over Korea and then straight Northwest towards Hokkaido, however we flew southwest towards Chugoku, then headed east and northeast while hugging the coast of Japan, making landfall over Akita and going again feet wet after Aomori for a straight in approach to Sapporo from the south.


Our route to Sapporo

After takeoff, our crew began service with a choice of chicken and rice, or beef and potatoes. I chose the beef and I thought it to be quite nice, sort of like the Y class meals of old. I also made sure to ask for a tube of Korean's famous chili paste. The meal had a side of salad with squid it seemed, and while normally picky about seafood, the squid did not seem offensive at all, or maybe I was just hungry by now.


Oh my, a foil covered dish, what could it be?


Beef stew meal


Side salad, surprisingly good

After the meal trays were cleared, I asked for a second beer, not for my own pleasure of course, but to test out their response, yes, I did it all for the sake of this very trip report. My request was politely obliged and the smiling FA brought my beer along with a packet of peanuts. Thumbs up !


Beer and snacks on Korean

Throughout the flight, the mood lighting was constantly changing which gave the cabin a very relaxing atmosphere. The comfortable seats, along with the impressive IFE and nice lighting made the short flight very enjoyable.

Crew was constantly in the aisles during the flight providing service/duty free sales and preparing the cabin for arrival. There was a bit of turbulence during our approach but it was pretty smooth once we got closer to the ground. We landed on one of the 01 runways and taxied to the deserted international terminal.


Arrival at the CTS International Terminal


KE in frosty Hokkaido


Hokkaido from the Sky Interior

Arrival in Sapporo

Fortunately we were seated in the front and exited quickly, which meant we were among the first to reach the small immigration area (I bet it can get crowded when a CX 747 comes in). The international terminal in CTS seems small, and I couldn't even spot an international friendly ATM in the premises, therefore we walked to the domestic terminal to the trusty Citibank ATM for cash.

Thoughts on Korean's Economy Experience

By now I've flown a fair amount of flights with KE both in J and in Y. While I have certainly enjoyed their J class, it seems much much more average vs their Y class, which in my opinion is of a higher standard vs the usual Economy Class experience. For a two hour hop from ICN to CTS, the service provided was excellent; food was good, the crew was friendly and active throughout the flight, and the hard product contributed to round out the positive experience. Perhaps the only spot that left me unimpressed was the long messy queue at the security check point which made the transfer experience slightly hectic , but those things can happen at any airport unfortunately, overall, big thumbs up for KE.


User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 799 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16194 times:

Winter fun in Hokkaido

Sapporo in winter means one thing: SNOW. This was clear from the day of our arrival. The train into town was delayed because of the snowy weather.

That said, winter in Hokkaido does look really nice, it's not really awfully cold and everything is well equipped for the frosty weather so the experience is mostly quite pleasant.

I'll include a few pics from the stay.


Trapped in a frosty train


This reeeeally made me wonder if it was right to come to Hokkaido


The pathway to temporary home…

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Icy Sapporo streets


Trains have a hard time in winter


Otaru station


This looks siberian :P


Frosty times


At least someone dares to go shirtless :P


Yep, this is Japan


Piles of snow


Frosty landscape


Sapporo winter wonderland


Delicious soup curry


Japanese fried chicken


I'm a manly man, however the Lady's Set at Tonkatsu Wako has always tempted me…


Ducks don't seem to mind the weather


Old government building


Awesome tempura


Fluffy powdery piles of doom


I've been here in summertime.. huge difference !


Mosburger's fried veggie rice burger


Don't let the view distract you too much


View north from the JR Tower


User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 799 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16185 times:

New Chitose Airport Experience

The first part of the journey back home is the ANA 787 flight. Taking this flight was a hard decision. It was either this or an equally interesting ANA 747. While I did feel like flying the 747 which had plenty of open seats, the schedule for the 787 made it slightly more convenient for my purposes.

We arrived at CTS around 3pm as we had planned the early arrival to enjoy the airport properly. At our arrival, we asked to be put on the 787 flight, and as is the usual case with agents in Japan, she gladly assigned us seats and gave us our boarding passes on the requested flight.


Check-in at CTS

With that out of the way, we were free to explore CTS, which is always a pleasant experience


JAL and ANA at CTS


Great food court


Central Lobby


Aviation Museum


View from museum


Royce Chocolate !!


Chocolate fest


Doraemon land, wooooo


For all your Doraemon shopping needs


Ramen alley


Awesome ramen !

Today was New Year's eve, so many passengers were dressed in a celebratory fashion. Lots of people seemed to be tuning in to this year's Kohaku Utagassen being played on the big screen TVs. There was excitement in the air ! New Year's Eve, and from my part, the excitement of flying on a new aircraft type.

While waiting for the 787, I spotted the 747-400 to Haneda getting ready for departure and wondered what could have been if we had chosen to fly the 747 instead, how hard it is to make choices sometimes.


Haneda bound 747


Domestic Dreamliner to Haneda

All Nippon Airways 82
CTS-HND
B787-800
20:30- 22:05
Y Class


Our 787 arrived from Haneda, and quite a few other people around me were snapping shots of the new bird as it was being prepared for its short turnaround.


787 at the gate in Sapporo


CTS Domestic ANA gates


NH 82 to Haneda


ANA Gates on New Year's Eve




Soon to be ready for departure


Watching Kohaku Uta Gassen


Boarding soon

Boarding call for our flight was made on time and we boarded our razzle dazzle new aircraft, and wow, it was razzly indeed ! For anyone familiar with ANA, you may be used to the usual boarding theme, however, for the 787, they had a special version of the theme with a space like flavor to it. The music, along with the rainbow lighting gave the cabin a very special feel.


View from terminal before boarding


Right side for me…


On board the NH 787


Fruity rainbow colors


Big windows

Design aspects aside, let's get down to the controversial 3-3-3 seating. It indeed looked snug, however, once sitting down, I could really notice it. Fortunately we had the entire ABC row to ourselves, however, if we had someone in the middle, things could have gotten uncomfortable.

I did a few tests and deemed that staying within my seating area would have required me to forgo the arm rests and move my arms inward, which is of course uncomfortable for a long haul.


View from my seat


Wing view


Legroom isn't bad

I'm a skinny guy so remarking on a seats width is unusual for me. About a month after this I was on a domestic JAL 777-200 and while snug, I did not seem to notice it being as tight as the 787. I really wish I had a measure with me so I could provide hard data.

We pushed back and departed on time. It was nice to hear a new engine sound on takeoff, however I don't recall anything particularly distinctive.


After takeoff


ANA 787 Cabin


Bright cabin

Once in flight, the usual domestic ANA service was carried out by the friendly and polite crew.

I'm a sucker for a menu with pretty pictures and was intrigued by a honey drunk with juzu (a citrus fruit), so decided to splurge some yen and purchase it. The FA was kind enough to offer a promotional freebie with purchase; I got a 747 magnet, wheeee!!


Juzu Honey Drink + Green Tea, notice the spill guard placed by the FA, another nice touch


Special bonus gift !

I did not see many other people partaking in the BOB service. I guess that with flight times being so short, people can go without much to drink on the plane just as they do during commute on a train.


My airliners.net premiere debut, demonstrating the 787's big windows

During the flight, a baby behind had been causing some trouble, this wasn't your usual screaming baby, he seemed to burst into short and sharp episodes of screeching which were hard to predict. You could be lulled into a false sense of serenity one moment, but then BAM, he would hit you with a shrill serenade.

Thankfully, our flight was very lightly loaded and I could switch to an empty row on the opposite side of the plane where my ears were much more at peace.


Now reporting to you from the right side of the airplane

It was while seating on the side other of the plane when I realized one of the 787s benefits. The big windows give you plenty of visibility throughout the aircraft. If you're right next to the window I don't think the difference is that clear cut. However, it's when looking at a window on the other side of the aircraft that you really notice improved visibility. That should come in handy for those times when you might not be seated in the window but are curious as to what is happening outside.

We arrived on time at Haneda during the evening rush hour and parked at a very central gate. When fortune does not smile on you, you can be stuck with a very long walk to baggage claim.


From the middle of the cabin you can really tell how narrow the seats look

Once outside I noticed a few people were taking pictures of the plane just as I was. Seems that the 787 still attracts attention even though it's been in service for a few months.


787 at Haneda


I'll admit, the plane looks hot !


Domestic arrivals


Waiting for bags. During wintertime I can't help but check in the bag with all those heavy winter clothes if I can

Thoughts on ANA Domestic Service

ANA's domestic service is pretty basic but very reliable. They offer a bare bones service with just tea, juice and water as complimentary offerings, and in very small portions at that, but you can always ask for seconds if you wish. BOB offerings are also reasonable should you be inclined to ask for something.

Just as my past experiences, the fact that the product was delivered respectfully by polite staff at every turn makes even the most spartan of services palatable.

Double New Year's Eve

Only a couple of hours left in the year, it was time to head to the international terminal for the flight to LAX, where we would ring in the new year just as we were boarding. As the plane departed at 00:30 on January 1st, arrival in LAX would take place back in 2012, which meant I was home in Tijuana in time to ring in the new year again. A first for me, double new year!


Bali bound passengers


Holidays at Haneda


Holidays = Sparkle Sparkle


A few minutes to go until 2012 is over, one of the FA's actually sang Auld Lang Syne for us as the clock struck midnight


My kind of GT


Quick dinner


Breakfast back in 2012

Final Thoughts

What a fun way to end 2012. And it was very interesting to compare the experience between the latest incarnation of a trusty veteran (a sky interior 737-800) vs a completely new aircraft.

I enjoyed flying on both 737 and 787, however I was much more impressed by the comfort level possible on the 737 and somewhat underwhelmed by the 787. Both airplanes were very modern and aesthetically pleasing ambiance wise. However, given the hype surrounding the Dreamliner, from the perspective of a Y class passenger on a 3-3-3 configured bird, the plane seemed much like any other aircraft in economy class, and yes, seats were noticeably more narrow than on similar wide body aircraft. I am not sure if the big windows and increased cabin humidity are enough to counter the fact that you could well be be cheek to cheek and shoulder to shoulder with your neighbor for 10+ hours should you find yourself on a full plane.

The 737 was an unexpected surprise, as I was expecting an airplane like the one my fellow trip reporter Eddiedude flew to REP ( Asian Tour May 2011. Part I: JFK-ICN-REP On KE (by EddieDude Jul 7 2011 in Trip Reports) ). The new cabin architecture, coupled with nice lighting and the new seats with comfortable can pitch make for a very pleasant ride.

Whatever bells and whistles airplane manufacturers throw at us, a comfortable ride depends on having enough space for your rump, shoulders and *ahem*, midsections (where applicable). Other factors might help mitigate or distract from these basics. But ultimately it comes down to how much real estate is available to you.

Thanks for reading, and a special thank you to Palmjet for inspiring me to get off my arse and write.

Happy travels to everyone !

Ricardo


User currently offlinepalmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1224 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 15959 times:

Good morning Ricardo

Quote:
Thanks for reading, and a special thank you to Palmjet for inspiring me to get off my arse and write.

Finally, my constant nagging and begging you has paid off - yay! Great to see your latest report. I've been suffering withdrawal symptoms. A very nice read for a Sunday morning here. Super photos of flights, food and sites!

Quote:
They weren't late as I saw Madame Duck Lips nonchalantly doing duty free shopping later, grrr, some passengers !

LOL I can almost picture it now. Some people.

KE in Y looked quite nice for that short flight and the new interior on the 737s is lovely. I recently had my first experience of the Sky Interior on a QF 738 from Sydney to Brisbane.

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I'm a manly man, however the Lady's Set at Tonkatsu Wako has always tempted me…

I nearly spat out my coffee (again) when reading this. It does look tasty though (as do all the other food pics). Japan is such a haven for great food. Thanks for including food pics as well.

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Fruity rainbow colors

Good lordy me. That's out of control.

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My airliners.net premiere debut, demonstrating the 787's big windows

So that's what you look like !  
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a comfortable ride depends on having enough space for your rump, shoulders and *ahem*, midsections (where applicable).

Totally agree. If my derriere feels numb throughout the flight, I know the seat is not for me. Being broad shouldered, I'd probably struggle on that aircraft as well.

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However, given the hype surrounding the Dreamliner, from the perspective of a Y class passenger on a 3-3-3 configured bird, the plane seemed much like any other aircraft in economy class

Isn't it ironic? All that hype but funny how it all just vanishes as soon as there are problems with the aircraft. I'm not terribly overwhelmed by it either from the pictures and reports I've seen. No rush for me to board a 787 methinks.

Finally, just as a suggestion, I think the report goes very well with some retro Jap-pop. I can highly recommend the accompanying soundtrack while reading this report: 中山美穂 - WAKU WAKUさせて

Super report - thanks again for putting it together. More please!

Palmjet



Eastern - Number One To The Sun
User currently offlineCarfield From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1946 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 15811 times:

Thanks for the trip report, but I am surprised that Delta is no longer offering a hot meal on the midnight flight departing Haneda. I presume it will be crazy to serve a full meal, but I will expect a warm component, especially Delta does not offer any kind of in-lounge dining programs for business class passengers.

KE Y class looks indeed pretty good.

ANA 9 abreast 787 Y is pretty sad. I actually prefer JAL and other Japanese airlines domestic service over ANA. However most of the domestic Japanese flights are short, so not a big deal. After seeing this 9 abreast 787, Air Asia, Peach, and Jetstar Japan A320s look fairly comfortable...

Carfield


User currently offlinetriple7man From Thailand, joined May 2005, 763 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 15432 times:
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Wonderful trip report with some great pictures in Sapporo. I lived in Soka, just outside Tokyo and it snowed once in a while there, but not like in Hokkaido. I have flown in/out of CTS and I had some ramen in the food court. I went there in August 2007, and we were in one of the hottest heat waves in Tokyo. I was hoping for cooler weather in Hokkaido but we didn't get it.
You and I were both at HND at the same time! I flew JFK-HND (we lost a day flying) and arrived HND around 10:30PM. I waited for a friend who works at HND to get off, so I got to spend several hours at HND and went out on the observation deck to watch 2013 come in. I could see fireworks in many parts of the city. My friend and I rode the train into Tokyo and I took the Narita Express to fly back to Bangkok from NRT. I really miss Japan.
I was stationed in San Diego when in the Navy, and I have made several trips to Tijuana. I remember taking off from SAN, you make a right turn out over the ocean and if you are on the right side, you can see Tijuana.
Thank you for a great trip report.



Have you kissed a 777 today?
User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 799 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 15122 times:

Thanks a lot for the kind words Palmjet !

Quoting palmjet (Reply 4):
LOL I can almost picture it now. Some people.

Yes, but at least we can call them out and trash talk about them online, when they are far away and can't punch us anymore. Boy, I sure hope that oafish mobster didn't just read that I called his wife/concubine/mistress a duck woman.

Quoting palmjet (Reply 4):
KE in Y looked quite nice for that short flight and the new interior on the 737s is lovely.

I'm now a big fan of KE's Y class, although I have fond memories of Asiana as well.

Quoting palmjet (Reply 4):
I nearly spat out my coffee (again) when reading this. It does look tasty though (as do all the other food pics).

It looks very tasty and varied, however, I fear that my man parts might be confiscated if I order it. I am still recovering from that time in Belgium when I asked for a Framboise Beer with the classic phrase "I'll have what she's having!" and then being told by the waitor, "Oh yeah, sure ! That's a girl's drink btw". For the record, I thought it was tasty and I'd order it again, society be damned !

Quoting palmjet (Reply 4):
Good lordy me. That's out of control.

That's one of the things I did find pleasing about the dreamliner actually, I felt like I was inside a pretty pretty rainbow.

Quoting palmjet (Reply 4):
So that's what you look like !  

Yes, now the entire world knows what my cheeks look like.

Quoting palmjet (Reply 4):
Finally, just as a suggestion, I think the report goes very well with some retro Jap-pop.

Filth peddler !! .

Quoting Carfield (Reply 5):
Thanks for the trip report, but I am surprised that Delta is no longer offering a hot meal on the midnight flight departing Haneda. I presume it will be crazy to serve a full meal, but I will expect a warm component, especially Delta does not offer any kind of in-lounge dining programs for business class passengers.

Thanks for stopping by Carfield !

Oh, I have news that might be of interest to you   I did not talk much about service on the DL flights since going into detail would have made this into an epic ramble fest. But I'll expand a bit here.

For the ICN flight they had a Korean option for both lunch and pre-arrival meal (Bulgogi for departure meal, and Bibimbap for pre-arrival). I skipped the Bulgogi even though it was available because it had fish soup, but I saw a fellow next to me order it and it smelled pretty good. For the arrival meal the Bibimbap was probably very popular as it was unavailable when they got to me.

Now, for Haneda, for the longest time they were offering an abridged Japanese meal on departure (without first appetizer course). Much like this:


Japanese meal ex-Haneda

Also offered was a cold plate option as pictured in the report, and a warm "western" meal consisting of pork stir fry with soup and dessert.

However, on the flight I took in February, these offerings have thankfully been revised.

Now, for the departure meals you have a japanese dish, a nicer looking cold plate, or a revised hot item. And more interestingly, they added a japanese breakfast option in addition to the existing cereal and eggs/pancakes options.

The hot dish on departure from HND in February was butter corn ramen and for March I saw that it was a tonkatsu don. Still not quite as good as a full meal but very interesting choices I think. Here's a few pics of the February HND-LAX Menu:


Menu 1


Menu 2


Ramen option, my friend said they were very good, and I saw Japanese passengers around me slurping most of theirs too


The cold plate looked a lot better than previous renditions

All in all I'm very pleased that offerings have been adjusted in a positive way. I think it's the only flight where they offer a Japanese breakfast, too bad that I have yet to taste it, and even if I did get it, I wonder if I really want a fishy breakfast... I'm just doing it for research you know  .

Quoting Carfield (Reply 5):
ANA 9 abreast 787 Y is pretty sad. I actually prefer JAL and other Japanese airlines domestic service over ANA. However most of the domestic Japanese flights are short, so not a big deal.

Oh I agree, I like to binge on JAL's consomme soup and skytime. But as domestic flights are pretty short, I can survive with ANA's limited beverage selection if they have a better flight schedule/option. Maybe it's just me but I've noticed JAL Express FA's are even more active when conducting beverage service, doing multiple rounds to check if people want seconds (or thirds).

Quoting triple7man (Reply 6):
You and I were both at HND at the same time! I flew JFK-HND (we lost a day flying) and arrived HND around 10:30PM.

Ha, you know, I am pretty sure that I saw you typing on your computer on the floor with the observation deck (inside though). I thought you looked familiar from your reports but thought it would be scary of me to approach you just like that ! Besides, I thought "what are the chances it's the same person?" Small world indeed. I wish I could have seen the fireworks too but I was in a middle seat :P

Yeah, I can see planes doing that departure from San Diego from my house, they're usually too high but when they're widebodies like the BA 777 to LHR you can make them out pretty well. Thanks a lot for the comments and for stopping by  . Maybe we'll cross paths again somewhere.

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User currently offlineardian From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 14989 times:

Great tripreport, thanks for sharing it with us. Stunning photos too!

User currently offlineEASTERN747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 563 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 14722 times:

I would imagine the seats are small because Japanese are (in general) small. Plz tell me that service on DL was Y+.......and those hideous brown cafeteria trays.......

User currently offlineWidebodyroga From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 613 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 14291 times:

Hey Ricardo.

What a fantastic report, full of photos of stunning quality! You brought back a ton of memories with this report. As you know I'm a huge fan of Hokkaido and my wife is in love with Otaru. I'm glad palmjet nagged you enough to make you write it. Excellent photos of the 787's interior by the way. It looks very ergonomic but also aesthetically pleasant.

Quoting SR117 (Thread starter):
View of Tijuana (aka, home) during departure from San Diego

What a nice, sharp, shot. I'm going to San Diego (for work) in November, if you happen to be in town (either TJ or SD) we gotta have a beer together.

Quoting SR117 (Thread starter):
It got more annoying when a group of wily passengers from a certain big country that spans Europe and Asia decided shamelessly to cut in line; and before you ask, yes I saw their passports, one big mobster looking guy and his collagen lipped lady were particularly aggressive in pushing people around, when they passed through me I did not make it easy and was tempted to call them out more aggressively, but this guy was big…

Unfortunately there is no shortage of people of this ...kind. The self-entitlement, arrogance and lack of consideration are really common traits of your average Eastern European mafia thug. I'm sorry you had to experience this and I think you did the right thing to stay out of it. You can't reason with people of the sort.


Off-topic: Since you seem to be visiting Hokkaido quite often, I was wondering, have you ever been to lake Toya? Man, if only we had one extra day when we were there I would have loved to visit Toya. It looks like such a fairy-tale-y place. Maybe I've asked you this before so my apologies if I'm repeating myself - I have a terrible memory.

Thanks for this delight of a report. You should write TRs more often  

Stojan



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User currently offline767747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1965 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13671 times:
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SR117,

Amazing photos in your report! It looks like you had one really nice trip with DL and ANA. Food and service looks pretty good!

Thanks for sharing!

Matthew (767747)


User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 799 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13525 times:

Quoting ardian (Reply 8):

Great tripreport, thanks for sharing it with us. Stunning photos too!

Thanks a lot ardian ! It was my pleasure.

Quoting EASTERN747 (Reply 9):
I would imagine the seats are small because Japanese are (in general) small. Plz tell me that service on DL was Y+.......and those hideous brown cafeteria trays.......

Good point, fortunately both NH and JL have 2-4-2 seating on their international 787s. Unfortunately that is not the case with most airlines despite the fact that the plane is being put on long hauls by most.

Regarding catering, I'm sort of a cursed man, I'll pretty much eat (and enjoy) anything as long as isn't a bag of nails. My only real complaint was that the steak on the midflight snack between DTW and ICN was too raw, I don't mind raw fish but I don't really like red meat raw unless it's thin like carpaccio.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 10):
You brought back a ton of memories with this report. As you know I'm a huge fan of Hokkaido and my wife is in love with Otaru. I'm glad palmjet nagged you enough to make you write it. Excellent photos of the 787's interior by the way. It looks very ergonomic but also aesthetically pleasant.

Thanks a lot for stopping by and the comments Stojan. Hokkaido really is a nice place and so is Otaru.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 10):
What a nice, sharp, shot. I'm going to San Diego (for work) in November, if you happen to be in town (either TJ or SD) we gotta have a beer together.

Of course ! Although I may visit Chicago before November, haven't been there since 2007 and I do miss having some nice deep dish pizza  It would be nice to visit when it isn't freezing :P

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 10):
Off-topic: Since you seem to be visiting Hokkaido quite often, I was wondering, have you ever been to lake Toya? Man, if only we had one extra day when we were there I would have loved to visit Toya. It looks like such a fairy-tale-y place. Maybe I've asked you this before so my apologies if I'm repeating myself - I have a terrible memory.

Ahhh Lake Toya, I'd love to visit if only for the name. I have a picture in my mind of a Lake inhabited by La Toya Jackson. If that is a case however, I am not sure that I'd want to visit... *shudder*.

All kidding aside. Lake Toya has been in my sights, along with Noboribetsu and Daisetsuzan National Park, and the nice countryside in Biei and Furano. Hokkaido really is full of interesting things to see. Unfortunately I am usually short on time and money, and as train travel in Hokkaido is rather expensive I haven't yet strayed far from the cities. I have a good friend in Sapporo who has told me great things about Toya though, I'm sure you wouldn't regret it if you took a trip there.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 10):
Thanks for this delight of a report. You should write TRs more often  

Thanks a lot for the encouragement. There is that trip to Hakodate in January that is probably worth reporting about.. I'll get working on that  .

Quoting 767747 (Reply 11):
Amazing photos in your report! It looks like you had one really nice trip with DL and ANA. Food and service looks pretty good!

Thanks a lot Matthew! As always, the flights were half of the fun of the vacation  


User currently offlinetriple7man From Thailand, joined May 2005, 763 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 13040 times:
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Quoting SR117 (Reply 7):
Ha, you know, I am pretty sure that I saw you typing on your computer on the floor with the observation deck (inside though). I thought you looked familiar from your reports but thought it would be scary of me to approach you just like that ! Besides, I thought "what are the chances it's the same person?" Small world indeed. I wish I could have seen the fireworks too but I was in a middle seat :P

I wish you did stop me! I had a much longer layover. I spent a lot of time on the observation deck, so most likely you did see me there. The Japanese airports are always great for spotting. I miss HND and NRT! Sorry you were in a middle seat.

With the weather in BKK, I could use a visit to CTS.

I don't fly very often like I used to, but if you ever see me in the airport, please do stop me.



Have you kissed a 777 today?
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12563 times:

Man! What an awesome report! It is phenomenal; worthy of being published. Kudos! It is very good to read you again.

Quoting SR117 (Thread starter):
See? Detroit does have nice things

I know, right? DTW is a cool airport. The McNamara terminal is probably the best large hub facility in the United States. I used in January or February of 2011 a large lounge (maybe near a rotunda?) and it was brilliant. Among the very best in the U.S. I even found the shopping experience outstanding.

Quoting SR117 (Thread starter):
Sweet onion quiche before landing

That looks very tasty. How was it?

Quoting SR117 (Thread starter):
Once airside Incheon is always very nice, great views, lots of seating, eating, shopping. I was determined to get some juice out of my Priority Pass so I headed to the HUB Lounge which was very crowded. Given the fees that American Express charges nowadays, I was compelled to suck it up and go in to get some value out of my previously doled out moolah. Food offerings were quiet varied, but I was still very full from the DTW-ICN flight, so I just had a couple of drinks.

Man, I had the same thought when I was in ICN for a connection. ICN has the best views! I also thought about the need to recoup the AMEX charges by extensively using lounges LOL. For me the lounge experience was a bit underwhelming. I felt awfully anxious and stressed there. I was tired of course, but the place was kind of dreary. I was glad when I left.

Quoting SR117 (Thread starter):
After I had a nice buzz going I left the somewhat less crowded lounge to enjoy the sights and sounds of Incheon before hopping on the plane.

I love the picture of the gate that you took. I couldn't take my eyes off of that while I was waiting for my plane. I think ICN is the nicest airport I have been to (HKG is great as well).

Quoting SR117 (Thread starter):
I had previously flown on one of KE's 737-900s from REP to ICN but it was nice to see the new interior on one of the "smaller" 738's.

My same route, only you were on the return.

Quoting SR117 (Thread starter):
Passengers seemed to be an eclectic mix, with lots of Australians, probably headed to Niseko.

Why is that?

Quoting SR117 (Thread starter):
while normally picky about seafood, the squid did not seem offensive at all, or maybe I was just hungry by now.

I know just the right seafood place to take you to when you come visit me in Mexico City the next time.

Quoting SR117 (Thread starter):
While I have certainly enjoyed their J class, it seems much much more average vs their Y class, which in my opinion is of a higher standard vs the usual Economy Class experience.

How about long haul Y vs. short haul Y? Back in 2011, I was so excited to be going to Asia that the 744 did not seem too bad. It was not great, but one of the crew members and the pineapple juice made up for it! On the other hand, when I think about it, the 739 was quite good! It was a 5-hour long flight during the evening, with choppy moments, yet it was just perfect. The load was a bit on the heavy side, but the seat pitch offset that for me... that and the pineapple juice hahaha.

Quoting SR117 (Thread starter):
Old government building

Not only is that building incredible; the picture is too.

Quoting SR117 (Thread starter):
explore CTS, which is always a pleasant experience

I have heard very good things about that airport. I am curious.

Quoting SR117 (Thread starter):
Today was New Year's eve, so many passengers were dressed in a celebratory fashion.

How so?

Quoting SR117 (Thread starter):
3-3-3 seating. It indeed looked snug, however, once sitting down, I could really notice it. Fortunately we had the entire ABC row to ourselves, however, if we had someone in the middle, things could have gotten uncomfortable.

A friend from Chicago flew last year a 787 between IAH and ORD and he said that the seats seemed quite acceptable for short haul; he says he had a great flight. He did wonder however whether a fully-loaded 3-3-3 788 would seem cramped for long haul. I will know when AM starts receiving 788s and flying them to JFK (okay, so it is not long haul, but it is a good 4-5 hour flight, depending on whether you are going or coming back).

Quoting SR117 (Thread starter):
Double New Year's Eve

Man! That's great! I have always wanted to do that!  
Quoting SR117 (Thread starter):
The 737 was an unexpected surprise, as I was expecting an airplane like the one my fellow trip reporter Eddiedude flew to REP ( Asian Tour May 2011. Part I: JFK-ICN-REP On KE (by EddieDude Jul 7 2011 in Trip Reports) ). The new cabin architecture, coupled with nice lighting and the new seats with comfortable can pitch make for a very pleasant ride.

Hey! Thanks for the advertising!   Now, I'd love to try one of the new narrowbodies with the Boeing Signature interior.

Your report is of the highest quality Ricardo. Thank you so much for the effort. I hope you will visit MEX soon. It has been a long time.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 799 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 11983 times:

Quoting triple7man (Reply 13):
I don't fly very often like I used to, but if you ever see me in the airport, please do stop me.

OK, will do !

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 14):
Man! What an awesome report! It is phenomenal; worthy of being published. Kudos! It is very good to read you again.

Thanks for stopping by Eddie  
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 14):
I know, right? DTW is a cool airport. The McNamara terminal is probably the best large hub facility in the United States. I used in January or February of 2011 a large lounge (maybe near a rotunda?) and it was brilliant.

It's a very nice facility, love connecting there. It's too bad that it's out of the way for most of the flights I usually take.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 14):
That looks very tasty. How was it?

It was good, and I was hungry so no complaints from me  
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 14):
Man, I had the same thought when I was in ICN for a connection. ICN has the best views! I also thought about the need to recoup the AMEX charges by extensively using lounges LOL. For me the lounge experience was a bit underwhelming. I felt awfully anxious and stressed there. I was tired of course, but the place was kind of dreary. I was glad when I left.

The hub lounge is pretty lowsy (though the food options are good), however, if you've got a Priority Pass, you're much better off in the Concourse Terminal where you can use the KAL and Asiana Lounges. It's too bad that getting to the concourse is a bit out of the way if you're flying KE or OZ.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 14):
Why is that?

Skiing in Niseko has been getting quite popular and you see a lot of people from places like Australia or Hong Kong coming into CTS with skiing equipment. I've never been to Niseko as my lack of coordination would probably make any attempt at skiing deadly, but I've heard that the powdery snow they get there is very good.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 14):
I know just the right seafood place to take you to when you come visit me in Mexico City the next time.

You know I haven't been to Mexico City since 2010?? I'm long overdue for a visit...

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 14):
How about long haul Y vs. short haul Y? Back in 2011, I was so excited to be going to Asia that the 744 did not seem too bad.

I unfortunately have never sampled KE long haul in Y class. I did try one of their regional 747-400s from Gimpo to Haneda and it was pretty comfortable. Just as comfortable as the OZ 747-400 I got to fly from JFK to ICN and that was pretty manageable with an aisle seat.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 14):
I have heard very good things about that airport. I am curious.

It's the best airport EVER. Ok maybe not the best ever. But still pretty good considering its size. You've got tons of reasonably priced restaurants with all sorts of cuisine, lots of shopping, an aviation museum, regional delicacies and souvenirs that you can't get anywhere else, a chocolate museum, a great viewing terrace (unfortunately closed in winter though), and of course, hot spring baths to relax in before your flight. You should certainly plan on arriving a few hours before your flight so that you can have time to explore.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 14):
How so?

You tend to see Japanese ladies dress up in nice kimonos for special occasions, I saw quite a few dressed up that evening, probably headed to new year's eve gatherings later in the evening.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 14):
He did wonder however whether a fully-loaded 3-3-3 788 would seem cramped for long haul. I will know when AM starts receiving 788s and flying them to JFK (okay, so it is not long haul, but it is a good 4-5 hour flight, depending on whether you are going or coming back).

MEX-TIJ-NRT is a loooong flight, MEX-TIJ-PVG will be even longer. I'll be curious to hear what people say after 10+ hour flights on that bird, and no no, I'm not gonna volunteer to do the research .

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 14):
Man! That's great! I have always wanted to do that!  

It was very fun ! If you do it in Tokyo and Honolulu you probably have a lot more time to enjoy the experience though.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 14):
Hey! Thanks for the advertising!   Now, I'd love to try one of the new narrowbodies with the Boeing Signature interior.

Anytime .

Ricardo


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6675 posts, RR: 55
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11692 times:

Hi Ricardo !

Thanks for a great report with fantastic pictures !

Always great to see reports to/from Japan.

Flights on DL and KE looks nice. Great to see that KE has the same type PTV as DL on the 738.

Quoting SR117 (Reply 3):
I'm a skinny guy so remarking on a seats width is unusual for me. About a month after this I was on a domestic JAL 777-200 and while snug, I did not seem to notice it being as tight as the 787. I really wish I had a measure with me so I could provide hard data.

I have only been on one 787 but I have the same experience; 3-3-3 on a 787 feels more cramped than 3-4-3 on a 777.

Very much looking forward to your next report!

The777Man



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User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 799 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10311 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 16):
Hi Ricardo !

Thanks for a great report with fantastic pictures !

Always great to see reports to/from Japan.

Flights on DL and KE looks nice. Great to see that KE has the same type PTV as DL on the 738.

Hey 777Man ! Sorry for the late reply :P My mind seems to be slipping with age, hehe.

I love a nice big PTV in front, sure, everyone has an entertainment device of sorts nowadays, but given the limited space in economy seats, I still think it's best to have something built in to keep personal space at a maximum.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 16):
I have only been on one 787 but I have the same experience; 3-3-3 on a 787 feels more cramped than 3-4-3 on a 777.

I am very curious to see more long haul 787 reports to see what other people think. Now that it's back flying we should have more reports. But I stand by my comments, that seat made me feel fat.

Thanks again for stopping by.

Ricardo


User currently offlinelukeyboy95 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 1135 posts, RR: 32
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10055 times:

Hi Riccardo.

Delightful report with an excellent eye for photos, and generally sterling quality of report. The wood looked fresh in all respect, as did the weather. Oooh.

Quoting SR117 (Thread starter):
A few minutes to go until 2012 is over, one of the FA's actually sang Auld Lang Syne for us as the clock struck midnight

How nice. It is a shame that no-one can name the composer these days.

Cheers!


Luke



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