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Lufthansa B748 TLV-FRA Demonstration Flight In JCL  
User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1355 posts, RR: 13
Posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 18007 times:

Lufthansa B747-8 TLV-FRA demonstration flight in JCL

Background:
Since early June, the internet was full with rumors about LH sending a B747-8 to Israel, for the first time. I paid little attention to these announcements since they turned to be false in the past. Only after I got a phone call from Lufthansa’s spokesperson in Israel inviting me (I'm a journalist) to the reception of the first arrival of a B748 in Israel I knew that this time it's for real. The purpose of the LH special flight was to let the Israeli media get acquainted with the new plane and to register and examine the new plane in TLV airport.

During our phone conversation, the LH spokesperson also expressed his wishes to have some of the guest including myself join him on the B748 flight back to Frankfurt. No need to guess what my answer was. I updated my editor, and waited to the day – June 18th 2013. Man that week passed slowly! I literally counted the hours.

A pleasant surprise was to find out that the photographer for the event would be Yochai Mossi – the best plane spotter in this part of the world, and a good friend who worked with me few times in the past. We flew together, and he was kind enough to let me use some of his photos for this report.

Flight day:
After a week of excitement and anticipation of the experience flying on the B747-8, I arrived to Ben Gurion airport ridiculously early .I simply couldn’t sit at home that day.
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At the check in counters, I was informed that the plane would carry merely 40 passengers (about half Israelis and half Germans). All passengers will receive a business class service. The special demonstration flight would have no effect on the LH regular scheduled flights to Israel that day. FIDS:
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9989/yz2i.jpg

My request during check in for a main deck window seat on the right was pointless as the flight was free-seating. All ready to go!
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While Yochai went to terminal 1 with the other photographers, I went through passport control and walked to Dan lounge which serves LH passengers.


(Notice CNN reporter Wolf Blitzer on the lower right side):
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View:
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The Dan lounge is modestly nice. It did not have the new features seen in some airports in Europe or Asia like showers or spa. The food available was buffet style light snacks and beverages.
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Smaller part of the lounge:
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I spent some time at The Lounge, using my laptop and preparing for an exam I would have 48 hours later (it was horrible, thx for asking). One hour prior to the plane landing, I walked to gate C8, where I was greeted by LH manager in Israel:
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The reception that Lufthansa arranged was a nice event:
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The Food at the reception was better than the food offered at the lounge:


Speakers at the reception were the General Manager of Lufthansa in Israel, Regional Manager of Lufthansa in Middle East and Africa – both addressed in their speech the importance of the Israeli market for LH. The final speaker was Ben Gurion Airport manager, who delivered a hard to understand speech in broken English, it was just embarrassing, couldn't he speak in Hebrew? Podium:
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While we were waiting at the air conditioned gate, Yochai and other photographers stood outside in the heat waiting for the plane in land:
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- Photo by Yochai Mossi

When the plane was about to touchdown, people glued themselves to the glass wanting to get a glimpse of it:


Touching down on Runway 26 – making history as the largest passenger airplane to land in Israel:
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Taxing:
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The pilot waved the Israeli flag when it entered the gate, as he waved a Greek flag when he landed in Athens. Yet, watching our national flag flying over a German airplane was a pretty emotional experience for most of us.
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- Photo by Yochai Mossi

And of course tradition is tradition:
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- Photo by Yochai Mossi

The longest passenger plane in the gate:
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- Photo by Yochai Mossi

How did it look from my end?
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After that, there was an hour of speeches and showing media crews (who weren't flying) the interior of the plane, while I wired to my News Desk the article I wrote together with Yochai's relevant photos.

http://www.mako.co.il/news-israel/local/Article-65fd69602e75f31004.htm

After most guests had left and, it was time for the plane to take off and go home – and for me to fly my first B747-8! Gate:


Flight details:
Flight: LH9983
Route: TLV-FRA
Airplane: Boeing 747-8 D-ABYC (built 2012)
Seat: 9A (business class)
Gates: C8 -> remote
Runways: 26 -> 07C
SDT: 18:05

Timing:
Pushback: 18:34
Takeoff: 18:54 (GMT+2)
Landing: 21:36 (GMT+3)
Full stop: 21:43

Gate to Gate time: 4:09
Airborne time: 3:40

Lufthansa’s Regional Manager himself made the boarding at the gate. We were greeted at the entrance by name. It was free seating, however, we were asked to remain at the main deck business class during takeoff and landing. View after the short boarding:
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- Photo by Yochai Mossi

I was surprised that it was a free seating flight, and grabbed window sit 9A next to Yochai. I gave him my seat with the wing view for takeoff and landing as he was the photographer. Our seats:


Leg room:


Welcome drink:
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The captain introduced himself and welcomed us on board, said that the flight would be delayed due to problems in Nicosia air traffic control. On that plane and in this seat? I couldn't care less. Yochai doing his thing:
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The main FA surprised us by addressing the passengers prior to takeoff in flawless Hebrew. The looooooongest plane in the world:


Eventually we taxied to runway 26 and took off – that was amazing! First, with just 40 passengers and not much fuel the plane took off like a rocket, I believe it took just 10 seconds to get off the ground. Second, it was the quietest takeoff I have ever experienced. Both Yochai and I were shocked from it. View seconds after takeoff:
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- Photo by Yochai Mossi

Champaign served right after takeoff:


Once in the air, both Yochai and I began exploring the wonders of the B748.

YCL:
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YCL legroom:
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Window view from the back:
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The small cabin behind JCL:
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Shared with 2 JCL rows in front:
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Upper deck JCL:
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- Photo by Yochai Mossi

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I must say that I prefer the main deck. The upper deck feels more cramped, with overhead bins very close to the passenger head. The stairs:




The B748 trade mark:
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"In Israel, on order to be a realist, one's must believe in miracles" - David Ben Gurion.
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User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1355 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 18084 times:

Main cabin JCL in flight:
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/1917/b0xm.jpg

My seat in flat position:
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The armrest had the seat controls and headphones:
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Every seat had a bottle of water and amenity kit:
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Seat controls:
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There are hours and hours of entertainment on the AVOD system, but because having a 748 more or less to myself for just fewer than 4 hours I haven't used it much:
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/8081/3kjb.jpg

And when I did it was on my favorite in flight program:
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Time to visit First class:
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- Photo by Yochai Mossi

8 seats in LH's B748 FCL, with seat turning at the push of a button into a wide flat bed. The FA in charge of FCL told me that the idea was to have an "open suite" class – giving maximum privacy to passengers but not making the plane look like hotel corridor when doors closed (EK, anyone?):
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/8185/oeox.jpg
- Photo by Yochai Mossi

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- Photo by Yochai Mossi

Window shading in 3 modes: open, shaded and closed:
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Legroom in first – I couldn't reach the other end!


In flat mod:




The most important room in the sky:




The B748 spectacular wing view:
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- Photo by Yochai Mossi

After an hour or so in the air, we were invited to see the cockpit. Both pilots were very pleasant and answered all our questions with patience and details. They told me that no additional training is needed to fly 748 from 744, and the only exception in the flight deck is few more cameras, due to the larger wing span. When I told the captain that he took off in an angle like MD11, he said "well, I flew those too!"
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6203/vj29.jpg
- Photo by Yochai Mossi
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Dinner time! Options were chicken, lamb or fish – both Yocahi and I chose the lamb.

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Crew kept walking up and down the aisle, filling our glasses and making sure everything is OK. Yochai and I enjoying life:


My view during dinner:
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Coffee and snack before landing:


Sunset over Germany:
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I gave Yochai the window again and moved one row to the back, on 10A.
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The camera was doing its thing:
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We made a smooth landing followed by a long taxi to the technical area in FRA. We disembarked using stairs, which gave us another chance to get impressed from the B747-8. Yochai still on cloud 9:
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I was surprised from the heat! Apparently Germany was heaving a kind of a heat wave. It felt like I was landing in Bangkok and not in Frankfurt. http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/1838/f996.jpg

We had pretty long 10 minutes bus ride to the terminal, driving along many interesting jets like 787, A380 and A346:
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The new baggage claim hall – sorry for this guy in my frame, didn't notice him:
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Well, what can I say? How often is one getting the chance to fly a 747 on such terms? It was absolutely amazing. No doubt Lufthansa is offering a whole new experience on JCL when flying its 748, way better product then the one we know on the regular 2-3-2 JCL configuration on other airlines using the 747.

I would like to thank Tal and all Lufthansa crew for this wonderful experience and for their hospitality. It was a flight to remember. The next report will cover the log home.

Please take a look at my other trip reports:
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"In Israel, on order to be a realist, one's must believe in miracles" - David Ben Gurion.
User currently offlineEmek96 From Germany, joined Apr 2013, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 17903 times:

Hey Jonathan !

Great report of your LH 748 experience !
I think LH offers a very good new product (compared to the old Business, which is very old in my mind).
Also the catering looks OK, well not the best, but for C-class it still is OK.
The lounge LH uses in tel Aviv also seems to be quite nice.
BTW, I like your fisheye pics!

Regards

Elias


User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 17807 times:

Hey Jonathan!

really cool to see your report online on this very, very special flight for you!
How cool to be on an 'empty' passenger aircraft.
I imagine your feeling at least, flown 2x on a cargo 747-400 on 12 hour flights where I had duty on, and found it very special.

It seems LH pampered you enough with food and drinks.

This picture, absolutely great light and colours!

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/7986/ove2.jpg

Regards
Eric



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineRogerbcn From Andorra, joined Sep 2006, 1209 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 17561 times:

Hola Jonathan!

The only idea of having a whole B747-8 to myself (well and 39 others) is a dream come true to you, lucky man!

I really appreciate your report, the pictures you posted are really great, brilliant.

I have never noticed that the flying time to FRA was so short, only slight over 4 hours from gate to gate, it is closer than I ever thought.

Nice presentation they held at the gate, very impressive as it was only a new plane not even a new route, so I guess LH is trying to attract more Israeli customers to them.

BTW, I noticed that EL-AL had two day flights to BCN today: a B737 and a B767. I guess this has to be related to people going on a cruise or something, I was not aware that my home city is so popular on the other side of the Med. Together with one VY and an UX flights that makes a total of four daily flights between TLV and BCN.

The C-seats look very nice, I only see a slight problem, you are almost faced to the person sitting next to you... might this cause some privacy problems for people who avoid contact with other people?

Salut!

Roger



"At reise er at leve" H.C. Andersen (Travelling is Living)
User currently offlineSultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1788 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 17508 times:

Hello Jonathan,

That was a most interesting report with many very nice pics! Lucky man you were, being invited on such an exclusive event, little did LH know that they would be doing a huge favour to an a.netter   This promo must’ve cost them an arm and a leg and hopefully it pays off in the future. Will LH schedule this beast into TLV on a regularly basis?

Sultanils



In thrust we trust.
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6939 posts, RR: 77
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 16913 times:

Hi Jonathan,

wow, what a cool report! You are a lucky man, what a great event you were able to join! And greetings to Yochai, too! The pictures are amazing! I can imagine how you felt before the trip - was very excited as well prior to my sightseeing flight on brand new D-AIMB back in 2010.

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
My request during check in for a main deck window seat on the right was pointless as the flight was free-seating.

Ha, nice surprise! My choice would have been 1K.  

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
Yet, watching our national flag flying over a German airplane was a pretty emotional experience for most of us.

That is indeed very symbolic, it tells a lot about how times changed. German plane, Israeli flag, I really like that!   

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
The longest passenger plane in the gate:

Wow, what a picture!

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
And when I did it was on my favorite in flight program:

Believe it or not, I shortly watched your flight on Flightradar, was very surprised about it. I had no idea about the background.

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
Time to visit First class:

Ah, I was supposed to spend a few hours in seat 1K on D-ABYG last month...but I had to cancel the trip less than 24 hours before departure. That was too bad, but I already have new plans. 
Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
Dinner time! Options were chicken, lamb or fish – both Yocahi and I chose the lamb.

Well, I'm not overly impressed by that meal.

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
The camera was doing its thing:

Cool feature, good to see this. But nothing can beat the A380's marvelous tail camera.

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):

I was surprised from the heat! Apparently Germany was heaving a kind of a heat wave.

Oh yes, it was horrible...


Thanks again for posting this amazing report!

כל טוב

PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8589 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 16343 times:
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Hi Jonathan,

What a superb 'jolly'!

I must say it's really great to get and invite like this, just 1 of 40 passengers on a 748, just super brilliant.

Whilst the new LH J class seating is a vast improvement over the old arrangement, I'm not keen on the two seats leaning towards each other, fine for couples or people travelling together but not so good for those travelling alone or wanting a little more privacy.

Cheers

Mark



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5947 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 16257 times:

The photo of the Israeli flag posted on the cockpit window...... is particularly stirring.

If my grandparents were alive, they'd call me a liar for claiming to have seen such a thing.

Who would have thought that it could eventually happen.


User currently offlineB707MT From Australia, joined Apr 2013, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 16183 times:

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
Yochai still on cloud 9:

Has he managed to wipe that grin off yet?  
Great report from you both, thanks, and kudos to LH for a top-notch media / P R effort.


User currently offlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2468 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15998 times:

Great TR!

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
The special demonstration flight would have no effect on the LH regular scheduled flights to Israel that day.

Don't get me wrong - but why did LH did this demo tour in Israel? Flights to/from FRA are operated by A321's - so why show casing their new Intercontinental product? Will the route swap to heavy equipment soon?

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
Touching down on Runway 26 – making history as the largest passenger airplane to land in Israel:

So, no visit of the A380 yet? Not even on an Airbus sales tour?

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
Window shading in 3 modes: open, shaded and closed:

Very, very nice design. Much more elegant than the B787 window!


User currently offlinedaviation From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 15674 times:

Wonderful report on every level. The 747-8 is really such a beautiful aircraft. Yochai's photographs are brilliant.

When you see the Magen David waving from the window of Lufthansa, you know that everything good is possible in this world!


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 15662 times:

Brilliant report. I love the 747 as an aircraft and am glad that the likes of LH and KE will continue with it for a few more years to come. Glad to see you had a great time

User currently offlineflightsimboy From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1342 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 15603 times:
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Hi Jonathan,

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
Only after I got a phone call from Lufthansa’s spokesperson in Israel inviting me (I'm a journalist) to the reception of the first arrival of a B748 in Israel I knew that this time it's for real. The purpose of the LH special flight was to let the Israeli media get acquainted with the new plane and to register and examine the new plane in TLV airport.
Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
LH spokesperson also expressed his wishes to have some of the guest including myself join him on the B748 flight back to Frankfurt.

That's what you call a double whammy...wow! Not just the invitation to examine the plane but fly her back too.

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
A pleasant surprise was to find out that the photographer for the event would be Yochai Mossi – the best plane spotter in this part of the world

Have to look up his pics...they are quite awesome pics on here.

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):

My request during check in for a main deck window seat on the right was pointless as the flight was free-seating. All ready to go!

Imagine the whole 747-8i to yourself (and 39 others)

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
The Food at the reception was better than the food offered at the lounge:

I'm craving something sweet now!

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
The pilot waved the Israeli flag when it entered the gate, as he waved a Greek flag when he landed in Athens. Yet, watching our national flag flying over a German airplane was a pretty emotional experience for most of us.

That must have been quite emotional. Do they wave the flag at every new port of arrival, considering they even did it in Athens?

Interesting to know that the aircraft is christened with the same name as D-ABTA "Sachsen" which I flew on. Are they using the same name of their previous B744s?

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/9986/3oua.jpg


http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/5/0/8/2150805.jpg

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
A346

My favourite bird of all time, and one I have yet to fly on!!


User currently offlineavi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 943 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 15570 times:

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
I believe it took just 10 seconds to get off the ground.

The excitement made you loss connection with reality  
I have a video of that takeoff (from the bridge of road 4404) and the aircraft was airborne (main landing gear) in the 24th sec while in sec 0 the aircraft was already rolling so it took about 30 sec. The fact that it was a very light takeoff means the engines were far from maximum thrust.
However, it was a very quiet (relative) takeoff. We (me and all the others that waited for this takeoff) didn't notice it right away but 2 min later a cargo B747-200 tookoff and you couldn't not noticing the noise differences.

Quoting debonair (Reply 10):

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
Touching down on Runway 26 – making history as the largest passenger airplane to land in Israel:

So, no visit of the A380 yet? Not even on an Airbus sales tour?

I don't see Airbus does it (it will be a waste of time and money). If anyone will bring the A380 to Israel one day it will be … LH.



Long live the B747
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6939 posts, RR: 77
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 15369 times:

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 13):
Do they wave the flag at every new port of arrival, considering they even did it in Athens?

Hi flightsimboy, LH did the same on various A380 promo tours. They also waved the FC Bayern Munich flag when they brought the team back to MUC after winning the Champions League (on D-AIMB "München", of course).

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 13):
Interesting to know that the aircraft is christened with the same name as D-ABTA "Sachsen" which I flew on. Are they using the same name of their previous B744s?

LH does indeed use the names of retired 744s. Exceptions are Frankfurt am Main, München and Berlin which were transferred to A380s.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineAgnusBymaster From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 15249 times:

Thanks for the great trip report! Your mention of the heat sparked my attention. I flew out of of FRA on 6/18, and it was indeed unusually hot. I was supposed to fly FRA-IAD on 6/18 in Neue C on the 747-8, but my aircraft was downgraded to a 744 with no explanation from staff, and of course "aircraft substitution is not a sufficient reason for rebooking." Thus, I had the old C seats, which don't lie flat. I think I may have figured out why my flight was downgraded...the aircraft that would have been assigned to FRA-IAD was instead used to fly the special trip from Israel. Although I missed my opportunity to fly on a 747-8 in C, I'm glad you enjoyed your flight and thanks for all the great photos.

[Edited 2013-06-25 22:40:50]

User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1355 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 14951 times:

Quoting Emek96 (Reply 2):
Great report of your LH 748 experience !

Thank you.

Quoting Emek96 (Reply 2):
BTW, I like your fisheye pics!

Yochai's fisheye photos are indeed amazing.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 3):
really cool to see your report online on this very, very special flight for you! How cool to be on an 'empty' passenger aircraft.

It was just amazing. I was driving everyone around me crazy the hole week talking about nothing but the 748.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 3):
I imagine your feeling at least, flown 2x on a cargo 747-400 on 12 hour flights where I had duty on, and found it very special

Sound very special too, I wish I could fly a cargo plane one day.

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 4):
The only idea of having a whole B747-8 to myself (well and 39 others) is a dream come true to you, lucky man!

Totally, couldn't agree more.

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 4):
I really appreciate your report, the pictures you posted are really great, brilliant.

Thank you so much.

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 4):
BTW, I noticed that EL-AL had two day flights to BCN today: a B737 and a B767. I guess this has to be related to people going on a cruise or something, I was not aware that my home city is so popular on the other side of the Med. Together with one VY and an UX flights that makes a total of four daily flights between TLV and BCN.

Barcelona is becoming very popular destination here in the past few years. Mostly due to soccer fans, but the cheap flights of UX, VY & IZ has something to do with it too. In the summer you can see LY sending even 747s to BCN.

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 4):
The C-seats look very nice, I only see a slight problem, you are almost faced to the person sitting next to you... might this cause some privacy problems for people who avoid contact with other people?

I was thinking about it too. You are not facing the other person, just sit in an angel to it and it doesn't feel problematic, yet I do not like forced to turn my head sharply to look outside the window. For someone doing nothing but looking outside during takeoff and landing it can end with neck pains.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 5):
That was a most interesting report with many very nice pics! Lucky man you were, being invited on such an exclusive event, little did LH know that they would be doing a huge favour to an a.netter

Great luck indeed, but I was invited due to me 'serious' job on the real world.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 5):
Will LH schedule this beast into TLV on a regularly basis?

Unfortunately no, only narrow bodies.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 6):
wow, what a cool report! You are a lucky man, what a great event you were able to join! And greetings to Yochai, too! The pictures are amazing! I can imagine how you felt before the trip - was very excited as well prior to my sightseeing flight on brand new D-AIMB back in 2010.

Hey PH, thank you for your kind words. I well remember your A380 report.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 6):
Believe it or not, I shortly watched your flight on Flightradar, was very surprised about it. I had no idea about the background.

Really? You didn't print screen by any chance?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 6):
Ah, I was supposed to spend a few hours in seat 1K on D-ABYG last month...but I had to cancel the trip less than 24 hours before departure. That was too bad, but I already have new plans. 

Can't wait to read here about your new plans.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 6):
Well, I'm not overly impressed by that meal.

Well, it tasted better then it looked.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 6):
Oh yes, it was horrible...

It gets pretty hot here from june to september too, but everything is air conditioned. In Germany there was ether no air condition at all or it was too weak. How often something like that happen over there?

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 7):
What a superb 'jolly'!

I must say it's really great to get and invite like this, just 1 of 40 passengers on a 748, just super brilliant.

Exactly, simply brilliant.

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 7):
Whilst the new LH J class seating is a vast improvement over the old arrangement, I'm not keen on the two seats leaning towards each other, fine for couples or people travelling together but not so good for those travelling alone or wanting a little more privacy.

I think there is an option to put a divider between the 2 seats, but I didn't check it out.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 8):
The photo of the Israeli flag posted on the cockpit window...... is particularly stirring.

If my grandparents were alive, they'd call me a liar for claiming to have seen such a thing.

Who would have thought that it could eventually happen.

No one, that is what so incredible in it.

Quoting B707MT (Reply 9):
Has he managed to wipe that grin off yet?

It took him few days I think.

Quoting B707MT (Reply 9):
Great report from you both, thanks, and kudos to LH for a top-notch media / P R effort.

Thank you very much. LH's israeli office did amazing job, it was in all 3 TV channels that evening.

Quoting debonair (Reply 10):
Great TR!

Thank you.

Quoting debonair (Reply 10):
Don't get me wrong - but why did LH did this demo tour in Israel? Flights to/from FRA are operated by A321's - so why show casing their new Intercontinental product? Will the route swap to heavy equipment soon?

I think the primary reason was to register the plane by the Israeli aviation administration and to check if it fits the gates at TLV's terminal 3. I do not see a swap to wide body planes considering LH financial situation.

Quoting debonair (Reply 10):
So, no visit of the A380 yet? Not even on an Airbus sales tour?

Waste of time and money, the only airline here that has the potential of buying it is El Al, and the last time they bought a European plane was in 1956.

Quoting debonair (Reply 10):
Very, very nice design. Much more elegant than the B787 window!

Haven't seen the 787 window yet! shame really.

Quoting daviation (Reply 11):
Wonderful report on every level. The 747-8 is really such a beautiful aircraft. Yochai's photographs are brilliant.

Thank you very much on behalf of us both.

Quoting daviation (Reply 11):
When you see the Magen David waving from the window of Lufthansa, you know that everything good is possible in this world!

Indeed.

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 12):
Brilliant report.

Thank you.

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 12):
I love the 747 as an aircraft and am glad that the likes of LH and KE will continue with it for a few more years to come. Glad to see you had a great time

Great time indeed. I hope that maybe El Al will buy the 748, it fits perfectly to the NYC route (that needs alone 3 planes at least) and LY's 744s aren't getting younger.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 13):
That's what you call a double whammy...wow! Not just the invitation to examine the plane but fly her back too.

It just couldn't be any better.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 13):
I'm craving something sweet now!

Sorry about that 
Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 13):
That must have been quite emotional. Do they wave the flag at every new port of arrival, considering they even did it in Athens?

Interesting to know that the aircraft is christened with the same name as D-ABTA "Sachsen" which I flew on. Are they using the same name of their previous B744s?

On both questions, I have no idea.

Quoting avi (Reply 14):
The excitement made you loss connection with reality  
I have a video of that takeoff (from the bridge of road 4404) and the aircraft was airborne (main landing gear) in the 24th sec while in sec 0 the aircraft was already rolling so it took about 30 sec. The fact that it was a very light takeoff means the engines were far from maximum thrust.
However, it was a very quiet (relative) takeoff. We (me and all the others that waited for this takeoff) didn't notice it right away but 2 min later a cargo B747-200 tookoff and you couldn't not noticing the noise differences.

Well, I can just agree with your first sentence. Do you have the video?

Quoting AgnusBymaster (Reply 16):
Thanks for the great trip report!

You welcome.

Quoting AgnusBymaster (Reply 16):
Your mention of the heat sparked my attention. I flew out of of FRA on 6/18, and it was indeed unusually hot. I was supposed to fly FRA-IAD on 6/18 in Neue C on the 747-8, but my aircraft was downgraded to a 744 with no explanation from staff, and of course "aircraft substitution is not a sufficient reason for rebooking." Thus, I had the old C seats, which don't lie flat. I think I may have figured out why my flight was downgraded...the aircraft that would have been assigned to FRA-IAD was instead used to fly the special trip from Israel. Although I missed my opportunity to fly on a 747-8 in C, I'm glad you enjoyed your flight and thanks for all the great photos.

That is very interesting, I had no idea about that. The B748 flight here was planned at least 2 weeks in advance, according to friends I have working at the airport coordination tower. After we landed the plane was parked at the maintenance center, but it wasn't there the next day.



"In Israel, on order to be a realist, one's must believe in miracles" - David Ben Gurion.
User currently offlineavi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 943 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 14368 times:

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 17):
Do you have the video?

Yes, here it is

Unfortunately I wasn't stable when it started to roll so I stabilized myself and this is the reason for the unstable picture during the roll but it gets better at rotation.

Do you have pictures after takeoff but before highway 1 (road 4404)?



Long live the B747
User currently offlineMSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2474 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 13886 times:

Hello Jonathan

Interesting report, good you where able to check out all the cabins without any hassle.
Nice to see the flightdeck as well.
I must agree on J, definate a step forward from what you can find on the other longhaul fleet.


Greetings
Marc



Next trip report: Well worn A330s and Hassle free MUC transfer
User currently offlineazstar From United States of America, joined May 2005, 631 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks ago) and read 13677 times:

In English, you were "like a kid in a candy store". In Spanish we say "como el rey del mambo" ! Nice report.

User currently offlineFlyingRoo82 From Australia, joined Aug 2012, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 13183 times:

Amazing trip report! What a privilege it would have been to fly on the first B747-8 out of Ben Gurion. The Israeli flag flying from the cockpit - incredible sight. The pics are awesome - especially the one just after takeoff of the Ayalon (is that the new park and ride service into the city?).

Cheers,
Adam


User currently offlinenimool From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 12958 times:

great photographs, and well done explanation  


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User currently offlineLPDAL From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 1195 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 12856 times:
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Great trip report! I did a R/T on the old "angle-flat" J MIA-MUC and the seat was sort of lackluster--the chair would get stuck when trying to change positions and the IFE was not touchscreen, limiting its use. This new J product looks much better, and the "angled" in does not look like too much of an issue.  


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User currently offlineAgnusBymaster From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12681 times:

Is the IFE in C on the 748 better than on the 744, or is that the same system? I know the 744s are not touchscreen, and the screen looks bigger based on the photos in this report. One thing I found on my 744 flight is that the IFE options were quite limited.

User currently offlineeastafspot From France, joined Jan 2008, 858 posts, RR: 20
Reply 25, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11454 times:

Hey Jonathan

What a splendid experience to be part of, even better when it's on a new plane in J and for free   .
You are very lucky, but i believe it's hard to complain about anything  
it is surprising LH send a heavy metal compared to the AF A321.

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
Yet, watching our national flag flying over a German airplane was a pretty emotional experience for most of us.

priceless indeed, well done !

Many thanks for sharing this thrilling trip

Regards



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User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1355 posts, RR: 13
Reply 26, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10587 times:

First, 2 pics from the event are alrady in a.net database, I'm sure many more to come:


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Quoting avi (Reply 18):
Do you have pictures after takeoff but before highway 1 (road 4404)?

Yochai was next to the window, not me.

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 19):
Interesting report, good you where able to check out all the cabins without any hassle.
Nice to see the flightdeck as well.

Thank you Marc, having all parts of the plane open to see was indeed great thing.

Quoting azstar (Reply 20):
In English, you were "like a kid in a candy store". In Spanish we say "como el rey del mambo" ! Nice report.

You got that right! Thank you.

Quoting FlyingRoo82 (Reply 21):
Amazing trip report! What a privilege it would have been to fly on the first B747-8 out of Ben Gurion

Thank you very much, it was a privilege for sure and I appreciate that it was given to me.

Quoting FlyingRoo82 (Reply 21):
The Israeli flag flying from the cockpit - incredible sight. The pics are awesome - especially the one just after takeoff of the Ayalon (is that the new park and ride service into the city?).

That is road 1, from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, and that is indeed the parking lot where you can leave your car and get a free shuttle to and from Tel Aviv center. Working very well by that way, another level is planned due to high demand.

Quoting nimool (Reply 22):
great photographs, and well done explanation

Thank you very much.

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 23):
Great trip report!

Thank you, I appreciate it.

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 23):
I did a R/T on the old "angle-flat" J MIA-MUC and the seat was sort of lackluster--the chair would get stuck when trying to change positions and the IFE was not touchscreen, limiting its use. This new J product looks much better, and the "angled" in does not look like too much of an issue

The 748 JCL is 180 degrees flat, no angels at all.

Quoting AgnusBymaster (Reply 24):
Is the IFE in C on the 748 better than on the 744, or is that the same system? I know the 744s are not touchscreen, and the screen looks bigger based on the photos in this report. One thing I found on my 744 flight is that the IFE options were quite limited.

To be honest, I was so hyperactive during the flight I hardly used the IFE, only for the flight path. The one photo I took of the AVOD system was only for this forum.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 25):
What a splendid experience to be part of, even better when it's on a new plane in J and for free. You are very lucky, but i believe it's hard to complain about anything

In Hebrew we have an expression says that when someone is buying you food (AKA he pay for it) it tastes better  
Quoting eastafspot (Reply 25):
it is surprising LH send a heavy metal compared to the AF A321.

LH is sending A321s and A320s to Israel, AF sending A320. I'm afraid less and less wide bodies come from Europe, only Swiss, Turkish, Aeroflot and Transaero now, Iberia too but only once a week (A340).

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 25):
priceless indeed, well done !

Thank you very much.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 25):
Many thanks for sharing this thrilling trip

You are very welcome.



"In Israel, on order to be a realist, one's must believe in miracles" - David Ben Gurion.
User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1355 posts, RR: 13
Reply 27, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9624 times:

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 26):
First, 2 pics from the event are alrady in a.net database, I'm sure many more to come:

And I wasn't wrong:


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"In Israel, on order to be a realist, one's must believe in miracles" - David Ben Gurion.
User currently offlineGr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3130 posts, RR: 4
Reply 28, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9182 times:

The external pics of the 748 prove what a lot of people are saying.....the 747 looks wayyyyyyy better than the A380   

User currently offlineroberts87 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2011, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 7978 times:

What a great and unique report! Thanks for sharing! The 747-8 looks amazing, too bad not many other airlines will by flying this bird!

User currently offlineknightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1843 posts, RR: 19
Reply 30, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7512 times:

Hey Jonathan

Cool report. Some guys really have all to luck to be invited to watch the aircraft up close and personal on the ramp in Tel Aviv AND get a ride to Frankfurt in Business Class.

I'd be interested to know your opinion of the seat. From what I gather there has been quite some criticism about the configuration of the seats in Business Class because you inevitably end up playing footsie with your neighbour or bumping against them with your knees in the lie-flat position. Is it really that bad or just a bunch of people complaining for the sake of a complaint?

I'll by trying out the B747-8 in August hopefully from HKG to FRA.

Thanks for posting!

Cheers,
William


User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1355 posts, RR: 13
Reply 31, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days ago) and read 7397 times:

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 26):
First, 2 pics from the event are alrady in a.net database, I'm sure many more to come:

And I wasn't wrong #2:


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Quoting Gr8circle (Reply 28):
The external pics of the 748 prove what a lot of people are saying.....the 747 looks wayyyyyyy better than the A380

I always agreed to that.

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 29):
What a great and unique report!

Thank you very much.

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 29):
The 747-8 looks amazing, too bad not many other airlines will by flying this bird!

Too bad indeed. I still hope that El Al will buy some of those to replace the B744.

Quoting knightsofmalta (Reply 30):
Cool report

Thank you.

Quoting knightsofmalta (Reply 30):
I'd be interested to know your opinion of the seat. From what I gather there has been quite some criticism about the configuration of the seats in Business Class because you inevitably end up playing footsie with your neighbour or bumping against them with your knees in the lie-flat position. Is it really that bad or just a bunch of people complaining for the sake of a complaint?

I didn't feel any of but, but remember it was only a 3.5 hours flight and I didn't get any sleep during it. There is a divider for the feet so that is no problem. Laying down in total flat mode is indeed a progress from LH's current JCL seats on the B744.



"In Israel, on order to be a realist, one's must believe in miracles" - David Ben Gurion.
User currently offlineokapi From France, joined Jun 2006, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6985 times:

Shalom and thank you for sharing such a unique report!
I'm amazed at the amount of marketing efforts LH has deployed on the Israeli market. I suppose they are the biggest airline from EU at that point.
I too am a bit puzzled by the somewhat awkward seating arrangement. I used to hate CX's herringbone in C but the designers at Boeing have managed to produced something even worse. I'm sure there's a real privacy problem here, especially if you are working on files on your computer. Anyone can have a look at what you're doing, not great in my opinion.
That said, the service was truly superb. Come on, how often do you get a private 747 for your hop to Europe?  

Now, I'm really curious to know more about your return trip. I look forward to read it soon.

Thanks again.
Cheers!


User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1355 posts, RR: 13
Reply 33, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6279 times:

Quoting okapi (Reply 32):
Shalom and thank you for sharing such a unique report!

You welcome okapi.

Quoting okapi (Reply 32):
I'm amazed at the amount of marketing efforts LH has deployed on the Israeli market. I suppose they are the biggest airline from EU at that point.

They are indeed pretty big around here, and the Israeli market is growing all the time, unlike europe, so it is important for LH to keep it's status here.

Quoting okapi (Reply 32):
I too am a bit puzzled by the somewhat awkward seating arrangement. I used to hate CX's herringbone in C but the designers at Boeing have managed to produced something even worse. I'm sure there's a real privacy problem here, especially if you are working on files on your computer. Anyone can have a look at what you're doing, not great in my opinion.

It's not that bad really, way better then those coffins you have on CX in my opinion. I didn't notice major privacy issue.

Quoting okapi (Reply 32):
Now, I'm really curious to know more about your return trip. I look forward to read it soon.

You can read it right here:
Euroclass To Mideast: LH686 FRA-TLV Business Class (by EL-AL Jul 17 2013 in Trip Reports)



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