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Night Stop In Beirut: Turkish A333 & MEA A320/A332  
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 21050 times:



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Intro
Back in summer 2012, I started working on an itinerary which should include some widebody flights on intra-European routes. As usual, I also tried to include as many new airlines as possible. First of all, I earmarked Turkish Airlines flight TK1822 (Paris-Istanbul) which regularly showed a 777-300ER on certain days. Then I found a very tempting connecting option: Istanbul-Beirut-Paris on MEA - Middle East Airlines A320 and A330-200, including a 4-hour stopover. I had always wanted to fly MEA, so I quickly booked the flights. Seat24 was the travel agency of choice because it sold all three flights on one ticket.

Now I needed to find interesting ways to get to Paris and back. After searching for a long time, I booked an open jaw Lufthansa ticket offered by Expedia: Munich-Paris on Augsburg Airways Embraer 195 and Paris-Munich-Luxembourg on Lufthansa A321 and Luxair Embraer ERJ-145. I was really glad that I would finally be able to log Luxair which had always deterred me due to astronomical fares.

My next task was to find an attractive option for the return to Munich. After a while, I decided to book Luxembourg-London/City-Dublin on CityJet Fokker 50 (operated by VLM) and CityJet Avro RJ85. Finally, I added a Dublin-Munich flight on Aer Lingus and reserved airport hotel rooms in Paris and Luxembourg. Over the course of four days, I would fly on four new carriers (MEA, Luxair, CityJet and VLM) and visit three new airports (Beirut, Luxembourg and London City). Map:

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Part I of my new series will focus on the flights on Turkish Airlines and Middle East Airlines.

[Edited 2013-06-28 23:43:20]


Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 21372 times:

Munich-Paris and Ibis CDG Airport
My trip started with a relaxed Sunday afternoon flight on Augsburg Airways Embraer 195 D-AEMC (new registration for me) from Munich to Paris. After a quick ride on the CDGVAL, I checked in at the Ibis CDG Airport and got a room with runway/apron view as requested. The rooms are small, but nice:



The weather was bad outside, so I kept spotting from the window. This is an Air Méditerranée 737-500:


Later in the evening, I checked in online for the Turkish Airlines flight to Istanbul and I was relieved that a 777-300ER seatmap showed up. The 777 had mostly operated TK1822 on Mondays in the last few weeks, but there had been some equipment changes as well. Going from a 777 to an A321 or A320 would have been really bad. Well, I selected a window seat in the back and kept hoping that there wouldn't be a last minute aircraft change...  crossfingers 



Monday, October 2012
Paris (CDG) - Istanbul (IST)
Turkish Airlines TK1822
Scheduled times: 11:25-15:55
Actual times: 11:50-16:31
Flight duration: 03:09 (hrs)
Distance: 1392 miles
Economy Class, seat 37A

Airbus A330-343E
TC-JNH (MSN 1150), named "Topkapı"
Delivered in 09/2010


1st flight on TC-JNH
13th A330-300 flight
29th A330 flight



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As soon as I woke up in the morning, I checked Flightradar24...and was vastly disappointed that an A330 was operating TK1821 to Paris...so much for the desired 777 ride.  Embarrassment  thumbsdown  At least it was one of TK's A330-300s and not an A330-200 or an A340-300 (both of which I had flown on before), or even worse, a narrowbody aircraft. Then I tried to change my seat, but the online check-in tool was still showing a 777 seatmap.  thumbsdown   thumbsdown 

About three hours before departure, I went to Terminal 1 and joined the small queue at the Turkish Airlines check-in area. A ground staff member immediately waved me to a Business Class counter where a friendly agent welcomed me. I told him about my seat selection (50A) and the aircraft change and he offered me 37A in the third last row which I gladly accepted. Before printing the boarding pass, he asked me twice whether this was a business trip - apparently he was rather confused about the fact that I would return to Paris in less than 20 hours after transiting in Istanbul and Beirut. He was finally satisfied and smiled when I told him that I was simply enjoying flying around.

Now it was time again to enter one of the funky Terminal 1 escalator tubes...





...followed by the tunnel to the satellite:







The Terminal 1 gate areas are nice for spotting, so I cannot complain about this old building and its layout. My plane arrived almost on time:



TC-JNH was the first factory fresh A330-300 to join the Turkish Airlines fleet...



...and is named "Topkapı":



Boarding was done by groups, but numerous people were blocking the way which wasn't helpful. So it took me a while to get through the crowd. Once on board, friendly flight attendants welcomed me. When I arrived in the back, I started a conversation with a young male flight attendant. "No 777 today - last minute aircraft change?", I asked, but he apparently didn't understand what I was talking about...anyway, I returned to my seat after we had exchanged a few more words.

The seat was comfortable enough...


...but I preferred the older versions which I had on my trip to Singapore in 2011. If you want to compare:
QF A380 Grounded, Bags Lost - LHR-SIN, TK A330/340 (by PlaneHunter Jan 30 2012 in Trip Reports)

However, the new seats are equipped with larger screens and more features:



Seat pitch hasn't changed, but there's more space due to the lack of IFE boxes:



Safety card:



Inflight magazine:



Very detailed fleet information page...couldn't find any mistakes, except for the gray engine on the 737-700:



A330 data close-up:



IFE guide:



That's what I also found in the seat pocket package:



New-style handset:



Rather cheap earphones:



Turkish's audio/video on-demand IFE system, called Planet, offers a great choice of features. The older version on the A330-200 and A340-300 had already impressed me, but the latest version on the A330-300 and 777-300ER is even better. Language selection:



Main menu:



Less detailed fleet information here:



The most important feature:



Parked next to us was United 767-300ER N655UA in nice old colors:


Boarding took longer than expected and once it had been completed, there weren't many empty seats left. Unfortunately, the seat next to me was taken as well.

We left the gate 25 minutes behind schedule (without an explanation) and started a 16 minute journey to the runway on the other side of the airport. The Terminal 1 main building looks like a huge saucer:



Air China A340-313 B-2385:



Syphax Airlines A319-112 TS-IEF:



Malaysia 777 tail and departing Air France 777-300ER in the background:



Malaysia Airlines 777-200ER 9M-MRQ flew me from Kuala Lumpur to Frankfurt in 2008:



Many people hate it, but I like it:



SIA A380 and Thai 777-300ER:



TAM A330-200:



XL Airways 737-86N F-HJER:



Face to face with Concorde...





Ibis CDG Airport in the middle:



Nice visitor from Beirut - will I see you tomorrow?



Finally reaching the runway...



Just after the "takeoff position" command, the remark "nice flight!" was added by a young man on the flight deck. Never heard that before. Climb-out with Le Bourget on the left:





Paris from another perspective:



CDG Airport:



Shortly after takeoff, tasty nuts were offered:



Now it was time to have a look at the menu card:





20 minutes after the snack service, the flight attendants commenced serving lunch - from the back, btw, so my preferred choice (beef) was still available. The tray looks impressive...


...but the meal quality didn't entirely come up to expectations. The beef was okay, but the chicken breast was dry - and the pieces of eggplant were soaked in oil and totally mushy. As for the chocolate cake - it was okay, no more, no less.

No doubt, it was a very decent meal for an intra-European flight, but I wasn't entirely satisfied considering that it was provided by the heavily advertised DO&CO catering which calls itself "The Gourmet Entertainment Company". As for variety - I'm not a TK frequent flyer and cannot draw any conclusions, but I found it quite interesting that my main course looked very similar to the one I had received on my LHR-IST flight almost a year before. You can find it here:
QF A380 Grounded, Bags Lost - LHR-SIN, TK A330/340 (by PlaneHunter Jan 30 2012 in Trip Reports)

No empty seat in this section:



After we had started descending...





...it would take no less than 30 minutes until touchdown. We passed Istanbul and flew a wide holding pattern along the Black Sea coastline which added some 20 minutes of flying time. Finally, we turned back and I enjoyed stunning views during final approach to runway 23:





The Bosphorus Bridge:





Some treats for the cruise ship lovers:







Süleymaniye Mosque and Istanbul University:







Almost there:



We touched down after a flying time of 3 hours and 9 minutes and taxied to a remote parking position where we arrived almost 40 minutes behind schedule. Parked next to us was A340-300 TC-JDL in Star Alliance colors:



Two more pictures from the bus:






Transfer at IST
Once at the terminal, I was first heading towards the exit because I was assuming that I would need to go to a MEA check-in desk in order to get my boarding passes. Then I discovered a transfer desk and tried my luck there. A very friendly young agent could indeed check me in and reserve the desired seats on both flights for me, but it was only possible to print the boarding pass for the Istanbul-Beirut sector.

Due to very long queues at security, I postponed going to the departures level and kept spotting for a while near the transfer desks. It wasn't a great place, but I could log a few registrations:


Finally, I passed security and went up to the departures level. However, no matter where I went to - gate areas, shopping zones, restaurants or restrooms - all these places were crowded. I even had to wait in line in the restrooms! The terminal has become too small for these masses of people - transferring at IST can be a pain during peak times, at least for Economy Class passengers. Well, there are some lounges which grant access for a fee, e.g. the Millennium Lounge which is nice, but I didn't want to pay €20+ for two hours or so.

[Edited 2013-06-28 23:54:57]


Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 21297 times:

Monday, October 2012
Istanbul (IST) - Beirut (BEY)
MEA Middle East Airlines ME268
Scheduled times: 20:30-22:15
Actual times: 20:29-22:15
Flight duration: 01:22 (hrs)
Distance: 615 miles
Economy Class, seat 32F

Airbus A320-214
F-OMRA (MSN 5162)
Delivered in 05/2012


1st flight on F-OMRA
48th A320 flight
144th airline



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After a rather uncomfortable waiting time, I was glad when I discovered an illuminated tail showing a nice cedar tree in the distance. The MEA flight from Beirut arrived on time and the plane turned out to be F-OMRA, one of the three newest A320s in the fleet:



It's hard to see from this perspective, but the three newest A320 frames are powered by CFM56s...


...unlike the seven older frames and the four A321s which are IAE-powered. I had hoped that MEA would send OD-MRL which is the 5000th A320 family aircraft, but what can you do?

When I stepped on board, I got a friendly welcome by female flight attendants in nice uniforms. MEA's entire fleet is equipped with fixed shell seats (more about this later)...



...and PTVs:



Legroom was sufficient (when in upright position):



Tiny IFE boxes didn't take away much space:



I felt truly welcome on MEA:



The flight was packed, but not entirely full, because the couple next to me suddenly decided to move elsewhere after boarding had been completed. I was certainly glad about that! A flying time of 1.5 hours was announced and we soon left the gate - exactly one minute ahead of schedule.

Numerous planes had lined up for takeoff and when only two of them were left ahead of us, one of the flight attendants quickly headed back to take her seat. Suddenly a man seated behind me shouted at her in a demanding tone of voice: "Water, please!"  Yeah sure Wow, sometimes you really have to wonder. The flight attendant didn't react which wasn't surprising considering that the plane was about to enter the runway.

After a powerful takeoff and an enjoyable climb over millions of lights, I wanted to have a closer look at the IFE system, but I couldn't do so immediately due to a trailer which lasted some 20 minutes. Anyway, here's what I found in the seat pocket:



Shopping guide and inflight magazine:



More details about MEA's fixed shell seats:


I found my seat rather comfortable, but only in normal position. Sliding forward when pressing the recline button is not to my taste. Btw - according to the article, the seats are wider than any others installed on similar aircraft. I'm skeptical - can anyone confirm this?

Pope Benedict XVI. flew on the 5000th A320 aircraft - I wonder if he noticed...



Integrated IFE guide - I counted a total of 12 movies and 15 games on offer:



Now back to the IFE system itself. Language selection:



Main menu:



I was mostly interested in the moving map, as usual:





As a full service carrier, MEA provides meals even on such short flights - here's my tray:


Unfortunately, the cheese sandwiches were too dry for my liking, but the sweet biscuit and the Tropicana orange juice tasted good.

After all trays had been recollected, water was offered during another drink round. Nice cup:



That's how a narrowbody cabin should look like, at least in terms of hardware:



172 kilometers to go:


We touched down after a flying time of 1 hour and 22 minutes and arrived at the gate exactly on time. Unfortunately, I couldn't see much outside. I wish I had been able to make a daytime connection at Beirut.


Night stop at BEY
There was no reason to hurry, so I belonged to the last passengers leaving the aircraft. Then went to a (rather basic) restroom to change clothes. However, when I finally showed up at the transfer desk some 25 minutes after arrival, all agents had already left. A small security checkpoint for transfer passengers was located only some meters away and fortunately, a friendly officer (wearing a military uniform) was sitting there. He immediately jumped up and called someone after I had told him about my connection. He explained that an agent would come down soon.

10 minutes later, an agent showed up and apologized for the waiting time. After checking my data, he seemed to be confused about my itinerary. He asked me to confirm that I flew from Paris to Istanbul earlier on that day and was now heading back to Paris. I was already prepared for a longer explanation, but he didn't ask any more questions and just issued my boarding pass. Then I passed the small security checkpoint and walked up to the departures level.

The central airside hall with numerous shops and some restaurants was mostly deserted on that late evening, actually there were more staff members around than passengers. This kept changing within the next two hours, though. Nice cars were on display - I'm not sure whether one could win those:





The gate concourse looked rather depressing...


...seats were uncomfortable and the restrooms weren't in good shape, but at least free WiFi was available and I could even log some registrations of parked aircraft. I also bought some snacks and drinks in a small cafeteria which charged insane prices.

[Edited 2013-06-29 00:02:48]


Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 21284 times:

Tuesday, October 2012
Beirut (BEY) - Paris (CDG)
MEA Middle East Airlines ME209
Scheduled times: 02:05-05:45
Actual times: 02:15-05:54
Flight duration: 04:19 (hrs)
Distance: 1983 miles
Economy Class, seat 44K

Airbus A330-243
OD-MEC (MSN 995)
Delivered in 05/2009


1st flight on OD-MEC
17th A330-200 flight
30th A330 flight



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The political situation had become more tense in Lebanon in the days before the trip, so I was certainly glad when I noticed that my flight to Paris was scheduled to operate as planned. At least the Air France flight on the next day would be canceled, but I don't know the reason.

OD-MEC, the second newest frame in the four strong A330-200 fleet was being prepared for flight ME209 - I was really looking forward to the ride on this pretty bird:



The gate area was slowly becoming crowded and people started to line up when the first ground agents arrived. Boarding commenced early without a dedicated announcement and the huge queue was moving very slowly because police officers carefully checked passports of many passengers.

I was relieved when I could finally step on board - and once again the friendly welcome by the flight attendants left me with a good first impression. The cabin was in good shape and had been cleaned well. As expected, the seats were identical to the ones on the A320...





...but legroom was more generous, I guess by one inch or so:


The seat was comfortable at first, but my back would start hurting later during the flight - so I can only wonder about that modern and "ergonomic" seat type.

Yes, I did indeed feel welcome on MEA again:



The seat pocket content was the same, except for the safety card, of course:



Low-quality headphones:



I was hoping that the aisle seat would remain empty, but it was soon taken by a man from Syria (as he later told me during a short conversation). The flight was packed, I didn't see more than a handful of empty seats.

The plane was pushed back slightly late, but we reached the runway very quickly and soon lifted off, climbing out over the sea. Beirut looked nice at night, but a daytime departure would have been much better.

Didn't I fly on that path in the opposite direction just a few hours ago?  Wink



I was expecting to get a small snack after departure and breakfast before arrival, but MEA proved me wrong. Here's the menu card with it's pretty front page...



...and pretty backside:



MEA was about to serve brunch shortly after departure:



Drinks:



A very friendly female flight attendant distributed the trays on our side and I asked her what "Knafeh" was. She smiled and explained that it was a sweet cheese pastry and I decided to try it - which made her smile even more. Here's my tray which looked really good:


After she had handed the tray to me, she grabbed a small bottle of syrup and asked me if I wanted some splashes over my "Knafeh". Of course I agreed. The main course tasted very good, just like most other items.

After I had finished eating, the nice flight attendant returned and asked me how I liked "Knafeh" - I told her that I liked it a lot and she seemed to be satisfied. I can only praise MEA for this good meal - and I can only praise that flight attendant for her personal service.  thumbsup 

For the rest of the flight, I kept watching the airshow most of the time:







The inflight magazine didn't contain a fleet information page, but I found some data while browsing through the IFE system. No complaints this time:



Last but not least, the obligatory cabin shot:



After a flying time of 4 hours and 19 minutes, we touched down at CDG and reached the gate slightly late. During disembarking I said goodbye to the nice flight attendant and thanked her for the good service.

One last shot of OD-MEC which looks beautiful at any time, no matter if it's day or night:


After a short ride on the CDGVAL, I went back to my room at the Ibis to get some rest before the flight to Munich in the early afternoon. Story to be continued...

[Edited 2013-06-29 00:08:42]


Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 21201 times:

Conclusion
Even though I didn't get Turkish Airlines' 777, I enjoyed the flight from Paris to Istanbul. The A330-300 was equipped with the airline's latest Economy Class product which is very good in terms of seating comfort and entertainment. One can only praise Turkish Airlines for the quantity of food it serves (especially on European flights), but it should make sure to keep quality on a high level as well. It raises high expectations with the DO&CO catering - and those should be met. Ground stuff members and flight attendants were friendly and provided a good service. What I didn't like was the transfer at Istanbul - that airport has become too small for Turkish Airlines and the situation won't get better any time soon.

Middle East Airlines definitely exceeded my expectations. All ground staff members and flight attendants were friendly and appeared motivated, with the nice girl on the BEY-CDG flight even being outstanding. The meal on the short hop was nothing to write home about, but the catering on the longer flight was truly impressive. It was a great decision by MEA to introduce PTVs and modern seats fleet-wide, even though the selected seat type is not to my liking. Once again, the transfer hub is the airline's weakness - Beirut Airport is not a great place to spend a few hours. Nevertheless, I would certainly fly both carriers again.



Best Regards,
PlaneHunter



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[Edited 2013-06-29 00:11:20]


Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineRogerbcn From Andorra, joined Sep 2006, 1209 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 20793 times:

Hola Udo!

Very informative report on those two great airlines: THY and MEA.

Being able to fly those two wide bodies in these medium-haul flights gives you and idea of what their long-haul ones look like.

TK seems to offer a great product, compared to other European airlines, really nice IFE and food. IST is suffering from over crowdedness all year around, they have started many new routes and probably IST capacity is not prepared for that. For example. they have three daily flights from BCN, three from MAD, one from VLC, BIO and SQC... They are growing very fast and maybe it is time they start investing in the airport to provide its customers with hassle-free connections.

MEA is a rarity here and I really appreciate your report. Interesting seat, at least you do not recline on the back passenger but it does not seem to be very comfortable. The food looks great, what an interesting breakfast you got and the FA care seems to be genuine Middle East friendliness, nice of her to offer such a great service.

Glad you were able to log those three new registrations, there are many more to come, I am sure. Looking forward to seeing and reading your reports.

Salut!

Roger



"At reise er at leve" H.C. Andersen (Travelling is Living)
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 20725 times:

Hola Roger!

Thanks a lot for your quick feedback!

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 5):
Very informative report on those two great airlines: THY and MEA.

Good to hear you liked it!

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 5):
Being able to fly those two wide bodies in these medium-haul flights gives you and idea of what their long-haul ones look like.

True! But it's interesting to note that MEA's longest flights are the ones to West Africa.

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 5):
TK seems to offer a great product, compared to other European airlines, really nice IFE and food.

What's most impressive is the fact that you even find PTVs on the newer TK narrowbodies.

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 5):
IST is suffering from over crowdedness all year around, they have started many new routes and probably IST capacity is not prepared for that. For example. they have three daily flights from BCN, three from MAD, one from VLC, BIO and SQC... They are growing very fast and maybe it is time they start investing in the airport to provide its customers with hassle-free connections.

Yes, one can only hope that the new airport won't be heavily delayed.

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 5):
MEA is a rarity here and I really appreciate your report.

Thanks!

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 5):
The food looks great, what an interesting breakfast you got and the FA care seems to be genuine Middle East friendliness, nice of her to offer such a great service.

  

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 5):
Glad you were able to log those three new registrations, there are many more to come, I am sure.

Yes, I have logged some really interesting birds in the last few months.

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 5):
Looking forward to seeing and reading your reports.

Good to hear. More report to come!


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineWidebodyroga From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 613 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 20098 times:

Hello PH. I'm glad to see a new (and what appears to be a very fun) series from you. A great selection of new carriers, two of which I have been "hunting" myself for many years (MEA and LuxAir) only to be denied due to inconvenient routings and/or high prices.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Over the course of four days, I would fly on four new carriers (MEA, Luxair, CityJet and VLM) and visit three new airports (Beirut, Luxembourg and London City). Map:

What a funky map. Looks a bit like a thunderbolt.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
A330 was operating TK1821 to Paris...so much for the desired 777 ride.

I'm sorry to hear that. Don't you hate it when you do so much good research but at the end you are denied due to some (probably random) equipment change?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Boarding was done by groups, but numerous people were blocking the way which wasn't helpful. So it took me a while to get through the crowd.

I had the exact same experience while boarding TK aircraft. I'm not sure whether it's because of the demographics of their passengers or something else. Definitely not a TK-unique phenomenon but one that they seem to be prone to.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
No 777 today - last minute aircraft change?", I asked, but he apparently didn't understand what I was talking about...

Do you think this was due to his relatively poor English (TK crews are infamous about this after all) or because he simply did not expect such a question from a passenger?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Seat pitch hasn't changed, but there's more space due to the lack of IFE boxes:

Amen! The IFE boxes on the TK 330s that I flew on were such a huge pain.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Then I discovered a transfer desk and tried my luck there. A very friendly young agent could indeed check me in and reserve the desired seats on both flights for me, but it was only possible to print the boarding pass for the Istanbul-Beirut sector.

That's awfully nice and convenient. You definitely don't wanna have to deal with the passport and/or security lines at IST.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Finally, I passed security and went up to the departures level. However, no matter where I went to - gate areas, shopping zones, restaurants or restrooms - all these places were crowded.

IST is definitely one of the most crowded airports I know. I similarly had difficulty finding a place to seat during my multi-hour waits there. No wonder people take it to the floors.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I can only praise MEA for this good meal - and I can only praise that flight attendant for her personal service.

That's impressive, even more so when we're talking about Economy. Very well done MEA.

Thanks for what made a very nice Saturday morning read! Looking forward to the next parts and I hope they don't take too long to come out  

Stojan



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 20065 times:

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 7):
Hello PH. I'm glad to see a new (and what appears to be a very fun) series from you.

Hi Stojan, thanks a lot for your comments! I know I need to accelerate my production rate.  

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 7):
A great selection of new carriers, two of which I have been "hunting" myself for many years (MEA and LuxAir) only to be denied due to inconvenient routings and/or high prices.

I must admit the TK/MEA combo wasn't cheap, but at least I got Luxair for a very reasonable price.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 7):
What a funky map. Looks a bit like a thunderbolt.

Yes, somehow!

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 7):
I'm sorry to hear that. Don't you hate it when you do so much good research but at the end you are denied due to some (probably random) equipment change?

Absolutely. But I knew it was risky. It seems I have to get TK's 777 on a long-haul flight.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 7):
I had the exact same experience while boarding TK aircraft. I'm not sure whether it's because of the demographics of their passengers or something else. Definitely not a TK-unique phenomenon but one that they seem to be prone to.

True. It was almost the same before my LHR-IST flight in 2011.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 7):
Do you think this was due to his relatively poor English (TK crews are infamous about this after all) or because he simply did not expect such a question from a passenger?

Probably both - I tried to end the conversation quickly after realizing that my question created confusion.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 7):
Amen! The IFE boxes on the TK 330s that I flew on were such a huge pain.

I guess you had a 332?

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 7):
You definitely don't wanna have to deal with the passport and/or security lines at IST.

I have never arrived at IST (only SAW arrival and IST transfers), but I can imagine that.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 7):
IST is definitely one of the most crowded airports I know. I similarly had difficulty finding a place to seat during my multi-hour waits there. No wonder people take it to the floors.

And this situation gets worse with every new aircraft TK takes delivery of.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 7):
That's impressive, even more so when we're talking about Economy. Very well done MEA.

  

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 7):
Thanks for what made a very nice Saturday morning read! Looking forward to the next parts and I hope they don't take too long to come out

Thanks again, Stojan! I promise to work faster.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineflightsimboy From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1296 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 19753 times:
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Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 42):
Watch out for a new one in the next few days...I'll report about a Middle East(ern) Airline... which hasn't shown up here very often.  

As promised here is your latest trip report...and with a nice hint in the reply above of what is to come....And I still didn't get it lol...now I do!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Then I found a very tempting connecting option: Istanbul-Beirut-Paris on MEA - Middle East Airlines
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
After checking my data, he seemed to be confused about my itinerary. He asked me to confirm that I flew from Paris to Istanbul earlier on that day and was now heading back to Paris. I was already prepared for a longer explanation, but he didn't ask any more questions and just issued my boarding pass

No wonder the poor agent got confused when he read your itinerary!!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Now I needed to find interesting ways to get to Paris and back. After searching for a long time, I booked an open jaw Lufthansa ticket offered by Expedia: Munich-Paris on Augsburg Airways Embraer 195 and Paris-Munich-Luxembourg on Lufthansa A321 and Luxair Embraer ERJ-145. I was really glad that I would finally be able to log Luxair which had always deterred me due to astronomical fares.

My next task was to find an attractive option for the return to Munich. After a while, I decided to book Luxembourg-London/City-Dublin on CityJet Fokker 50 (operated by VLM) and CityJet Avro RJ85. Finally, I added a Dublin-Munich flight on Aer Lingus and reserved airport hotel rooms in Paris and Luxembourg.

Interesting...I am still confused....honestly I am. I will let your trip reports lay it out for me!!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
I checked Flightradar24...and was vastly disappointed that an A330 was operating TK1821 to Paris...so much for the desired 777 ride.     

Well where equipment varies this was bound to happen....I'm glad that at least on long hauls one is guaranteed the aircraft promised on the route.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Now it was time again to enter one of the funky Terminal 1 escalator tubes...

At least the glass is clean and well kept....Kinds of feels what food feels inside our intestine lol

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
...followed by the tunnel to the satellite:

That first pic is so Abu Dhabi's old terminal.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Boarding was done by groups, but numerous people were blocking the way which wasn't helpful. So it took me a while to get through the crowd.
Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 7):
I had the exact same experience while boarding TK aircraft. I'm not sure whether it's because of the demographics of their passengers or something else. Definitely not a TK-unique phenomenon but one that they seem to be prone to.

This is getting to be pretty standard, regardless of demographics, really...people just want to get on the plane faster than anyone else!! Though a little order would help!!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I started a conversation with a young male flight attendant. "No 777 today - last minute aircraft change?", I asked, but he apparently didn't understand what I was talking about...anyway, I returned to my seat after we had exchanged a few more words.

I guess they have added your question to their training manuals now....If you watch the Turkish Airlines 777-300ER Just Planes video you can clearly see they struggle with the English skills. I say better service skills over English, and they inflight service in that video is amazing... You should watch the video PH, you would definitely like it.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):

Very detailed fleet information page...couldn't find any mistakes, except for the gray engine on the 737-700:

You will hear me echo this for eternity..."Only you, PH" lol

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The most important feature:

Always!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Face to face with Concorde...

Such a shame she meet with that tragic incident on her own soil, some distance away

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):

After we had started descending...

Nice pics, winglet with shadow, winglet with sunlight....would make a good animated pic!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Finally, we turned back and I enjoyed stunning views during final approach to runway 23:

Wow, wow...gorgeous approach into IST!! I must get seat on the port side of the aircraft if I ever fly TK!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
However, no matter where I went to - gate areas, shopping zones, restaurants or restrooms - all these places were crowded. I even had to wait in line in the restrooms! The terminal has become too small for these masses of people - transferring at IST can be a pain during peak times, at least for Economy Class passengers.

Is IST heading to become the next Sheikh Zaiyad Terminal in DXB during the time EK was also using the terminal!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
I also bought some snacks and drinks in a small cafeteria which charged insane prices.

I don't know when is the last time I bought anything at a transit airport. Fortunately Toronto has a very affordable Tim Horton's airside, in addition to more premium named joints if one feels the need to spend more.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 3):
Didn't I fly on that path in the opposite direction just a few hours ago?  

I'm glad however you could return on that route with the bigger gorgeous Airbus A330-200!!...Nothing against narrow bodies, but why not return in style....especially on the Airbus widebodies!!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 3):
A very friendly female flight attendant distributed the trays on our side and I asked her what "Knafeh" was. She smiled and explained that it was a sweet cheese pastry and I decided to try it - which made her smile even more. Here's my tray which looked really good:
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 3):
After she had handed the tray to me, she grabbed a small bottle of syrup and asked me if I wanted some splashes over my "Knafeh". Of course I agreed. The main course tasted very good, just like most other items.

After I had finished eating, the nice flight attendant returned and asked me how I liked "Knafeh" - I told her that I liked it a lot and she seemed to be satisfied. I can only praise MEA for this good meal - and I can only praise that flight attendant for her personal service.   
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 3):
During disembarking I said goodbye to the nice flight attendant and thanked her for the good service.

Great personal service received, and acknowledged back to the FA!! I once had a great Emirates FA, who I had photographed on my flight from DXB-KHI and then I found her on the KHI-DXB sector and after I had told her about being the same guy that took her photo, she gave a bag of goodies, playing cards, pens and amenity kits before we even left the gate....she was an ex-Middle Eastern Airlines FA!!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 3):
Last but not least, the obligatory cabin shot:

For some reason that looks like the inside of the new dreamliner....except for the windows of course!!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 3):
One last shot of OD-MEC which looks beautiful at any time, no matter if it's day or night:

Beautiful bird....Only a bit of time before I start to like the Airbus A350...but this bird and her bigger sisters A340-500 and A340-600 will have a special place in my heart!!!!!!


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 19676 times:

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 9):
As promised here is your latest trip report...and with a nice hint in the reply above of what is to come....And I still didn't get it lol...now I do!

Hi flightsimboy,

thanks a lot for your nice feedback! I'm glad you enjoyed the report. But hey, wasn't my hint obvious?  

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 9):
No wonder the poor agent got confused when he read your itinerary!!

Well, I'm wondering why. There's a lot to do at a destination within a few hours.  

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 9):
Interesting...I am still confused....honestly I am. I will let your trip reports lay it out for me!!

I admit it may be confusing. I should have listed the flights in chronological order.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 9):
Well where equipment varies this was bound to happen....I'm glad that at least on long hauls one is guaranteed the aircraft promised on the route.

Well, it depends. In TK's case, A330/340s could easily replace 777s and vice versa on numerous long-haul routes. LAX is definitely a 777 route, for example.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 9):
At least the glass is clean and well kept....Kinds of feels what food feels inside our intestine lol

Interesting thought.  

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 9):

I guess they have added your question to their training manuals now....If you watch the Turkish Airlines 777-300ER Just Planes video you can clearly see they struggle with the English skills. I say better service skills over English, and they inflight service in that video is amazing... You should watch the video PH, you would definitely like it.

LOL. I need to watch that.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 9):
You will hear me echo this for eternity..."Only you, PH" lol

 

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 9):
Such a shame she meet with that tragic incident on her own soil, some distance away

So true.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 9):
Nice pics, winglet with shadow, winglet with sunlight....would make a good animated pic!

   It was a great day for flying.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 9):
Wow, wow...gorgeous approach into IST!! I must get seat on the port side of the aircraft if I ever fly TK!

You need luck, though. Approach directions can change frequently.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 9):
Is IST heading to become the next Sheikh Zaiyad Terminal in DXB during the time EK was also using the terminal!

Yes, unfortunately!

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 9):
I'm glad however you could return on that route with the bigger gorgeous Airbus A330-200!!...Nothing against narrow bodies, but why not return in style....especially on the Airbus widebodies!!

The bigger the better!

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 9):
Great personal service received, and acknowledged back to the FA!!

  

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
I once had a great Emirates FA, who I had photographed on my flight from DXB-KHI and then I found her on the KHI-DXB sector and after I had told her about being the same guy that took her photo, she gave a bag of goodies, playing cards, pens and amenity kits before we even left the gate....she was an ex-Middle Eastern Airlines FA!!

Very nice!

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 9):
For some reason that looks like the inside of the new dreamliner....except for the windows of course!!

And the bins...

Some airlines use similar seats on the Dreamliner which may contribute to that impression.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 9):
Beautiful bird....Only a bit of time before I start to like the Airbus A350...but this bird and her bigger sisters A340-500 and A340-600 will have a special place in my heart!!!!!!

I'm skeptical about the A350 currently...I find it quite ugly, but this may change.

Thanks again for replying!


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlinepalmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1223 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 19654 times:

Hi PH

Super report - thanks for posting this. I've been really looking forward to this one.

The flight on TK looked quite nice. I am a big fan of the A330 and it looks great in TK colours. The meal did look a bit oily which is a shame, given the reputation TK has with its on board catering.

I've heard a lot of stories about how bad IST can be during peak times. TK has expanded so rapidly in the past few years but unfortunately it seems that the infrastructure there has failed to keep up.

MEA looked really nice. Great to read a report on them as they are not featured that much here. Those seats look similar to the old CX ones (now being replaced)? Is that correct? I love the A330 in MEA's colours and often see one flying over my place on the way into LHR.

Great report - thanks again

Palmjet



Eastern - Number One To The Sun
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 19622 times:

Quoting palmjet (Reply 11):
Super report - thanks for posting this. I've been really looking forward to this one.

Hi Palmjet, thank you very much for your comments! Good to hear you liked it.

Quoting palmjet (Reply 11):
I am a big fan of the A330 and it looks great in TK colours.

  

Quoting palmjet (Reply 11):
The meal did look a bit oily which is a shame, given the reputation TK has with its on board catering.

Even the bowls were oily...

Quoting palmjet (Reply 11):
I've heard a lot of stories about how bad IST can be during peak times. TK has expanded so rapidly in the past few years but unfortunately it seems that the infrastructure there has failed to keep up.

I'm not only wondering about the situation in the terminal - where will they park all these aircraft in the future? Bus rides, even to/from widebodies, are already common today.

Quoting palmjet (Reply 11):

MEA looked really nice. Great to read a report on them as they are not featured that much here.

Yes, quite a rare carrier here which is a bit surprising.

Quoting palmjet (Reply 11):
Those seats look similar to the old CX ones (now being replaced)? Is that correct?

That's what I read, yes.

Quoting palmjet (Reply 11):
I love the A330 in MEA's colours and often see one flying over my place on the way into LHR.
MEA's colors look fantastic on the A330, I had always wanted to fly on such a bird.

Quoting palmjet (Reply 11):
Great report - thanks again

Thanks again for your reply!


PH

[Edited 2013-06-29 09:37:16]


Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineeastafspot From France, joined Jan 2008, 806 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 19396 times:

A very nice TR with an interesting combo of airlines indeed. The pictures are excellent too especially those ones on approach to IST.
TK is, as expeected, very good but not great and your experience was even better since you had an A330. Also the meal is generously portionned.
I thought flying MEA back in April from Dubai, but they were a bit pricey for, according to what you show us now, the quality offered.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
Later in the evening, I checked in online for the Turkish Airlines flight to Istanbul and I was relieved that a 777-300ER seatmap showed up. The 777 had mostly operated TK1822 on Mondays in the last few weeks, but there had been some equipment changes as well. Going from a 777 to an A321 or A320 would have been really bad.

You have to tell me how do you learn these useful infos, since most of the time narrow bodies such as 737 or A32X are on the rota... too bad anyway for your 777,

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
Now it was time again to enter one of the funky Terminal 1 escalator tubes...

from french, translated as "guts" or whatever sounds similar ..   .

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
"No 777 today - last minute aircraft change?", I asked, but he apparently didn't understand what I was talking about...anyway,

Too bad, was he busy? or did he ignore you?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
The Terminal 1 main building looks like a huge saucer:
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
Many people hate it, but I like it:

   or a Camembert.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
I had hoped that MEA would send OD-MRL which is the 5000th A320 family aircraft, but what can you do?

you are extremely picky   .

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
Finally, I passed security and went up to the departures level. However, no matter where I went to - gate areas, shopping zones, restaurants or restrooms - all these places were crowded. I even had to wait in line in the restrooms! The terminal has become too small for these masses of people - transferring at IST can be a pain during peak times, at least for Economy Class passengers. Well, there are some lounges which grant access for a fee, e.g. the Millennium Lounge which is nice, but I didn't want to pay €20+ for two hours or so.

Totally agree!
Also i've seen so many lounges in this airport that i'm wondering who does not have access yet nowadays.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
I was already prepared for a longer explanation, but he didn't ask any more questions and just issued my boarding pass.


LOL,    .


Many thanks for this great report and its very good insight of MEA

Looking forward to reading you


Léonard



Fly with Air Burundi, Air Tanzania, Air Uganda, Kenya Airways and Rwandair...Jumuiya ya Afrika mashariki
User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6597 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 19192 times:

Hi PlaneHunter!

Thanks for another amazing report with amazing pictures!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
Ibis CDG Airport and got a room with runway/apron view as requested. The rooms are small, but nice:

I was there in late November and it's a great hotel. Even though the rooms are small, they are very comfortable and the most important thing is the view..... 
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
As soon as I woke up in the morning, I checked Flightradar24...and was vastly disappointed that an A330 was operating TK1821 to Paris...so much for the desired 777 ride.

That's very very disappointing. At least you got on another wide body aircraft and a new registration.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
Seat pitch hasn't changed, but there's more space due to the lack of IFE boxes:

Leg room looks very tight to me and you are shorter than me.....

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
.but the meal quality didn't entirely come up to expectations. The beef was okay, but the chicken breast was dry - and the pieces of eggplant were soaked in oil and totally mushy. As for the chocolate cake - it was okay, no more, no less.

The meal looks really good, too bad you didn't like it that much.

All in all, a nice flight on TK.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
Tiny IFE boxes didn't take away much space:

Very small IFE box ! I'm not sure I have seen that kind before. Something for Alitalia to think about..... 
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
Unfortunately, the cheese sandwiches were too dry for my liking, but the sweet biscuit and the Tropicana orange juice tasted good.

That's too bad but you can't expect too much on an airplane.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 3):
OD-MEC, the second newest frame in the four strong A330-200 fleet was being prepared for flight ME209 - I was really looking forward to the ride on this pretty bird:

It almost looks like a Biman Bangladesh plane from that angle.....

MEA looks very impressive for those relatively short flights. It looks like the head phone jack is in front of you which I don't like and I've only tried the sliding seat once so not really sure what I think of that yet.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 10):
Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 9):
Well where equipment varies this was bound to happen....I'm glad that at least on long hauls one is guaranteed the aircraft promised on the route.

Well, it depends. In TK's case, A330/340s could easily replace 777s and vice versa on numerous long-haul routes. LAX is definitely a 777 route, for example.

I think there's much less equipment substitutions on long haul flights. LAX would be a good option to try the TK 77W  

You had some great flights on these two carriers but too bad with the equipment change on TK. There's nothing better than a 777 on a short flight!

Very much looking forward to part 2!

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From UK - England, joined Sep 2003, 5173 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 19161 times:

Servus PH,

great to follow something new from you´re hand. For sure a good read and definitely not the ordinary travel style
what the agents are looking for. The same for me from time to time, you know.
Nice pictures also.
Looking for the next part now.

Greetings,
Markus(FLIEGER67)



Next: London City connections!.
User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6436 posts, RR: 38
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks ago) and read 18520 times:

Hi PH,

Another great TR, nice to see these less heard about airlines pop up.

The TK meal is a real let down - it looks great. I've heard their J meals are excellent so it's a shame to hear this about their Y meal.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
MEA's entire fleet is equipped with fixed shell seats

Now you must know how I feel after a long haul on CX's old seats! Horrible seats - I suppose I won't feel very comfortable on a NH 787.. But the rest of MEA looked good.

Quoting palmjet (Reply 11):
Those seats look similar to the old CX ones (now being replaced)? Is that correct?

The 777-300ER and A330-300 fleets have the new cradle Y seat but the A343 and 744 will continue to have the fixed shell. Not only that but all regional planes will get the fixed shell seat so make sure you know what plane you're choosing if you're flying CX regional in a couple of years' time!



Cheers,
Nicholas



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offline767747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1952 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 18400 times:
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Great report, Plane Hunter! Looks like you had a few really good flights. Food looks pretty good on MEA and sounds like the service was good as well. I would love to try TK as well sometime, as their Economy product looks pretty impressive compared to others.

Thanks for sharing!

All the best,

Matthew


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 18300 times:

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 13):
A very nice TR with an interesting combo of airlines indeed. The pictures are excellent too especially those ones on approach to IST.

Hi Léonard, thanks a lot for your feedback! Good to hear you enjoyed it.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 13):
TK is, as expeected, very good but not great and your experience was even better since you had an A330.

The 777 would have been even better.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 13):
You have to tell me how do you learn these useful infos, since most of the time narrow bodies such as 737 or A32X are on the rota... too bad anyway for your 777,

I read airline route news which helps a lot.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 13):
Too bad, was he busy? or did he ignore you?

I think his English skills were limited and the question about an aircraft change confused him.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 13):
or a Camembert.

  

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 13):
you are extremely picky

Sometimes, yes.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 13):
Many thanks for this great report and its very good insight of MEA

Looking forward to reading you

Thanks again for your reply!

Quoting The777Man (Reply 14):
Thanks for another amazing report with amazing pictures!

Hi Lars, thank you very much!

Quoting The777Man (Reply 14):
I was there in late November and it's a great hotel. Even though the rooms are small, they are very comfortable and the most important thing is the view.....

They also offer good breakfast.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 14):
That's very very disappointing. At least you got on another wide body aircraft and a new registration.

The A333 was the second best type to get.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 14):
Leg room looks very tight to me and you are shorter than me.....

It was alright.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 14):
Very small IFE box ! I'm not sure I have seen that kind before. Something for Alitalia to think about....

Or Lufthansa which has large boxes even on the A380.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 14):
That's too bad but you can't expect too much on an airplane.

I'm spoilt by EK and others.  

Quoting The777Man (Reply 14):
MEA looks very impressive for those relatively short flights.

  

Quoting The777Man (Reply 14):
LAX would be a good option to try the TK 77W

Absolutely. But I'd prefer to sit in J on that long flight.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 14):

You had some great flights on these two carriers but too bad with the equipment change on TK. There's nothing better than a 777 on a short flight!

  

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 15):
great to follow something new from you´re hand.

Servus Markus, thanks for replying!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 15):
For sure a good read and definitely not the ordinary travel style
what the agents are looking for. The same for me from time to time, you know.

We know how to confuse ground agents.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 15):
Nice pictures also.
Looking for the next part now.

Thanks again!

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 16):
Another great TR, nice to see these less heard about airlines pop up.

Hi Nicholas, thanks for your comments! Good to hear from you.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 16):
I've heard their J meals are excellent so it's a shame to hear this about their Y meal.

They also have chefs on board, like Austrian.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 16):
Now you must know how I feel after a long haul on CX's old seats! Horrible seats - I suppose I won't feel very comfortable on a NH 787..

Yes, I can imagine how much you "enjoyed" them.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 16):
But the rest of MEA looked good.

  

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 16):
The 777-300ER and A330-300 fleets have the new cradle Y seat but the A343 and 744 will continue to have the fixed shell. Not only that but all regional planes will get the fixed shell seat so make sure you know what plane you're choosing if you're flying CX regional in a couple of years' time!

Alright, thanks for the update.

Quoting 767747 (Reply 17):
Great report, Plane Hunter!

Thank you, Matthew!

Quoting 767747 (Reply 17):
Looks like you had a few really good flights. Food looks pretty good on MEA and sounds like the service was good as well.

I can only recommend MEA.

Quoting 767747 (Reply 17):
I would love to try TK as well sometime, as their Economy product looks pretty impressive compared to others.

TK certainly offers an impressive product, you should try it one day.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlinecgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1165 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 17959 times:

Hello PH, a great report. One of my dreams is to fly an MEA A-330. I think they have one of the best liveries and the A330 is a stunning example. Their service looks great for such a small carrier.

I've stayed at the IBIS CDG as well and agree it's simple but fine for an overnight. The views are also great. There use to be a great place to spot directly across from the Pullmann Hotel, unfortunately the airport expanded the parking lot.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
Many people hate it, but I like it:

I know what you mean. I don't think T1 is all that bad. The renovations from a few years ago really improved the place although it can get crowded when the early morning flight to the US are being processed.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
Now it was time again to enter one of the funky Terminal 1 escalator tubes...

One of the things I like about T1. The last time I went through T1 there were stickers with advertisements all over them. Glad to see they've been removed. Makes the trip through the tubes more enjoyable.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
One last shot of OD-MEC which looks beautiful at any time, no matter if it's day or night:

Again, I agree 100% with this statement.



A330 man.
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 17926 times:

Quoting cgnnrw (Reply 19):
Hello PH, a great report.

Hi cgnnrw, thanks for your reply, good to hear you liked it.

Quoting cgnnrw (Reply 19):
I think they have one of the best liveries and the A330 is a stunning example. Their service looks great for such a small carrier.

MEA's A330s are indeed stunning. You should give it a try! CDG gets two daily A330 flights. MEA also sends the A330 to LHR, but sometimes switches to smaller types.

Quoting cgnnrw (Reply 19):
I've stayed at the IBIS CDG as well and agree it's simple but fine for an overnight. The views are also great. There use to be a great place to spot directly across from the Pullmann Hotel, unfortunately the airport expanded the parking lot.

Spotting at CDG is difficult, however, the Ibis is a good place for that.

Quoting cgnnrw (Reply 19):
The last time I went through T1 there were stickers with advertisements all over them. Glad to see they've been removed. Makes the trip through the tubes more enjoyable.

  


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2478 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 17495 times:

Hi PH

Interesting report, I enjoyed reading it!   Too bad you didnt get the 77W like you wanted, but I guess the A330-300 isnt such a bad substitute. ( I would have taken either one considering ive never been on both). MEA looks like a nice Airline hopefully i'll be able to try them and TK in the future. Looking forward to your next report.



Reality be Rent. Synapse, break! Vanishment, This World!
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 17389 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 21):
Interesting report, I enjoyed reading it!

Hi Yvan, thanks for your feedback!

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 21):
Too bad you didnt get the 77W like you wanted, but I guess the A330-300 isnt such a bad substitute. ( I would have taken either one considering ive never been on both).

No, it was the second best type I could get.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 21):
MEA looks like a nice Airline hopefully i'll be able to try them and TK in the future.

Yes, you should try them.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 21):
Looking forward to your next report.

Good to hear!


PH

[Edited 2013-06-30 14:32:52]


Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 34
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 17314 times:

True PH quality as usual!

MEA looks very nice...

IST is a mess, I always exit via the Elite Plus line and get back in, instead of the huge transfer lines. What you got on CDG-IST is one of their VERY few European menus. I hate the ground experience at IST (and with SATS Gateway HKG), but looking forward to J HEL-IST-HKG again in August. Return is on Norwegian Longhaul B787 from BKK.


Regards,

Lari



Air Asia Super Elite, Cebu Pacific Titanium
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 17289 times:

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 23):
True PH quality as usual!

Thanks, Lari! Good to hear from you.

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 23):
MEA looks very nice...

  

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 23):
What you got on CDG-IST is one of their VERY few European menus.

I remember you mentioned the lack of variety once. How's the situation on long-haul routes?

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 23):
but looking forward to J HEL-IST-HKG again in August.

Sounds good!

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 23):
Return is on Norwegian Longhaul B787 from BKK.

Not in the back, I guess? You need to start writing reports again!


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 34
Reply 25, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 17282 times:

Hi PH,

No variety on longhaul Y either from IST, outstations much better variety.

Yes it's in the back on DY longhaul... I'll load up in the BKK foodcourt (kind of hard to find, THB 30-40 dishes there and mainly employees). TK was award again, I can't afford paid front cabin and 6 week trips.

I think a report shall be forthcoming from my latest trip (Asian part, CEB-MNL-KUL-CGK-DPS-SIN-HKT-CNX-DMK//BKK-CRK//MNL-CEB-MNL-KLO-CEB), but not with PH amount or quality of pictures.  


Regards,

Lari



Air Asia Super Elite, Cebu Pacific Titanium
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 26, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 17053 times:

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 25):

No variety on longhaul Y either from IST, outstations much better variety.

Hi Lari! That doesn't sound good at all.

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 25):
Yes it's in the back on DY longhaul... I'll load up in the BKK foodcourt (kind of hard to find, THB 30-40 dishes there and mainly employees).

Will they let you board with all these meal containers?  

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 25):
I think a report shall be forthcoming from my latest trip (Asian part, CEB-MNL-KUL-CGK-DPS-SIN-HKT-CNX-DMK//BKK-CRK//MNL-CEB-MNL-KLO-CEB), but not with PH amount or quality of pictures.

Sounds cool! Go ahead!


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27126 posts, RR: 60
Reply 27, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 16944 times:

Hey Udo  

Interesting report and two airlines and cities Im very familiar with. TK were what I have come to expect so no comments there.

MEA for me is the best airline in Skyteam. I love their crew and uniforms also their A330s. For me I love the seats but its all about personal preference. The meal on the short hop nothing to write home about. The Knefe on the BEY-CDG also the same that I had BEY-LHR and very nice. Shame you couldn't get out and taste the one I used to have at Seasweet now that would have you addicted !  

Political situation is always an issue and not going to get any better with the Syria crisis either! Hotel prices have crashed upto 50% as the bread and butter Gulf tourists are staying way. I remember on my numerous trips I was always on alert for rises in tensions and wondering if I would need to cancel. Such a shame as its a wonderful country.

BEY is not my favourite airport but I like it all the same. The MEA lounge is really nice shame you didn't get into it as it also makes for some nice views. ( They also serve Knefe )  

BEY still one of my favourite approaches during daytime.

Anyway thanks for the report brings back nice memories .

Regards

Philip  


User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 34
Reply 28, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 16935 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 26):
Will they let you board with all these meal containers?

No, I'll happily have some last nice spicy stuff right there before returning home... Coke is THB 10/cup. Compare that to Euro prices, almost makes me cry.

But BA nicely helped by dropping a zero (base fare) for my Nov-Dec trip  . Instant booking that was...

No comments made by BA of that, that shows class.  bigthumbsup  C Franz and Mayrhuber would have tried to get out of it the next minute.

[Edited 2013-07-01 02:04:23]


Air Asia Super Elite, Cebu Pacific Titanium
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 29, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 16869 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 27):
Interesting report and two airlines and cities Im very familiar with. TK were what I have come to expect so no comments there.

Hi Philip, thanks for your feedback.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 27):
MEA for me is the best airline in Skyteam. I love their crew and uniforms also their A330s.

Their A330s are great indeed. I'm wondering when they will paint an aircraft in Skyteam colors.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 27):
For me I love the seats but its all about personal preference.

  

Quoting OA260 (Reply 27):
Political situation is always an issue and not going to get any better with the Syria crisis either! Hotel prices have crashed upto 50% as the bread and butter Gulf tourists are staying way. I remember on my numerous trips I was always on alert for rises in tensions and wondering if I would need to cancel. Such a shame as its a wonderful country.

MEA could have grown much bigger without these permanent tensions.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 27):
The MEA lounge is really nice shame you didn't get into it as it also makes for some nice views.

It was dark anyway.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 27):
Anyway thanks for the report brings back nice memories .

Good to hear.

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 28):
Coke is THB 10/cup. Compare that to Euro prices, almost makes me cry.

And the heat in Thailand makes me cry...  

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 28):
But BA nicely helped by dropping a zero (base fare) for my Nov-Dec trip . Instant booking that was...

Sounds interesting.

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 28):
No comments made by BA of that, that shows class. bigthumbsup C Franz and Mayrhuber would have tried to get out of it the next minute.

I disagree here...the German point of view, you know.  



PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineRussianGirl From Russia, joined Jan 2011, 107 posts, RR: 2
Reply 30, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 16849 times:

Privet, Udo!
What a great report about 2 aircompanies! Espesially was interesting to read about flights with MEA! It seems that MEA make a very good product! Glad to hear about MEA's friendly flight attandants.

Vsego horoshego,
Anastasia


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 31, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 16800 times:

Quoting RussianGirl (Reply 30):
Privet, Udo!
What a great report about 2 aircompanies!

Privet, Anastasia! Spasibo! I'm glad you liked it. Good to hear from you. Any plans for a new report?

Quoting RussianGirl (Reply 30):
Espesially was interesting to read about flights with MEA! It seems that MEA make a very good product! Glad to hear about MEA's friendly flight attandants.

MEA exceeded my expectations, the lovely flight attendants were an additional positive surprise.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineODAFZ From Afghanistan, joined Jul 2004, 357 posts, RR: 5
Reply 32, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 16646 times:

As a Lebanese , I am always worried about a foreigner's view of my country as unfortunately our country is associated with less than pristine fame.
Definitely, the approach through BEY must be during daylight and It is fantastic and I agree with you BEY airport is not the best airport around, and probably we did not see the same Terminal in Paris which I found dark and sad back in 2007 and again in 2011.
Thank you for a lovely report and looking forward to the rest of your trip reports


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 33, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 16616 times:

Quoting ODAFZ (Reply 32):
Thank you for a lovely report and looking forward to the rest of your trip reports

Thanks for your comments, ODAFZ! I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Quoting ODAFZ (Reply 32):
As a Lebanese , I am always worried about a foreigner's view of my country as unfortunately our country is associated with less than pristine fame.

No reason to worry this time!

Quoting ODAFZ (Reply 32):
Definitely, the approach through BEY must be during daylight and It is fantastic

It seems I really missed something!


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 34, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 16464 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 29):
Their A330s are great indeed. I'm wondering when they will paint an aircraft in Skyteam colors

MEA are expecting 2 additional A320s this summer and one will feature the Skyteam livery.

Their A330s are very nicely appointed, especially as they are regularly used on short hops (nice for passengers!)
You can find them doing one hour flights to Amman, 35 minute Larnaca flights, Istanbul and Cairo also see the A330.
They stretch their wings on their longer African hauls, the longest at 7 hours 20 minutes.

LHR is usually an A330 but I've flown the route on the A321 and A320.

I remember MEA's "old" fleet of 747s, 707s, A310s, A300s, and they were always very nicely configured allowing plenty of passenger space and nicely upholstered etc.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 33):
It seems I really missed something!

A good excuse to go back! You could try the A321 this time! ME currently fly from Frankfurt, Dusseldorf and Berlin (this summer) so give it a go!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 27):
The Knefe on the BEY-CDG also the same that I had BEY-LHR

They offer this as their second main choice on all flights (duration permitting!) I love the stuff.
There is a place near my father's home in Broumana that do it fresh each morning. You watch them slice them up on those circular dishes and they're oozing the cheesy filling and the rose syrup. Omg! I want!

Thanks Planehunter for highlighting my national carrier (after BA!)- glad you had a good trip!



Happy -go- lucky kinda guy!
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 35, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 16410 times:

Hi Raffik, thanks a lot for your comments!

Quoting raffik (Reply 34):
MEA are expecting 2 additional A320s this summer and one will feature the Skyteam livery.

Great news, thanks! It's about time for a Skyteam logojet. So they get two more A320? I have only discovered one A320 on order. Do they get a used one as well?

Quoting raffik (Reply 34):
Their A330s are very nicely appointed, especially as they are regularly used on short hops (nice for passengers!)
You can find them doing one hour flights to Amman, 35 minute Larnaca flights, Istanbul and Cairo also see the A330.

Sounds cool! Are there regular missions on these short routes?

Quoting raffik (Reply 34):
A good excuse to go back! You could try the A321 this time! ME currently fly from Frankfurt, Dusseldorf and Berlin (this summer) so give it a go!

Very tempting!

Quoting raffik (Reply 34):
They offer this as their second main choice on all flights (duration permitting!) I love the stuff.

Good to know!

Quoting raffik (Reply 34):
There is a place near my father's home in Broumana that do it fresh each morning. You watch them slice them up on those circular dishes and they're oozing the cheesy filling and the rose syrup. Omg! I want!

You made me hungry!

Quoting raffik (Reply 34):
Thanks Planehunter for highlighting my national carrier (after BA!)- glad you had a good trip!

Thanks again for your feedback! Good to hear you enjoyed it.


PH

[Edited 2013-07-01 10:13:52]


Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 36, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 16357 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 35):
Great news, thanks! It's about time for a Skyteam logojet. So they get two more A320? I have only discovered one A320 on order. Do they get a used one as well?

Ah, one has been delivered! My mistake, they have one more A320 due which will be in full Skyteam livery due around September.
And then they have the other A321 neo and A320s arriving the year after next which will replace some of the older A321s

The airline had been contemplating an order this year of A319s or Bombardier C Series aircraft for route expansion but due to the political issues in Syria these have been put on hold. However, they have started Najaf, Yerevan, Rhodes, Mykonos and Berlin this year as new destinations (Rhodes and Mykonos seasonally) so some expansion with the existing fleet.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 35):
Sounds cool! Are there regular missions on these short routes?

Throughout the summer, yes. There is a lot of trade between Cyprus and Lebanon and during the summer months the Gulf routes are very busy. Despite the problems in Syria, people in the Gulf still come to Lebanon and as the land crossing through Syria is now closed (virtually, it is possible but extremely dangerous), MEA is seeing many more passengers as those who would once drive are now having to fly. Also, there are many Lebanese who work in the Gulf so the demand is there. Similarly, the fact that Damascus airport is now closed means that Beirut is used as the primary airport for many Syrians who are travelling overseas as they are all being funnelled through Beirut airport.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 35):
Quoting raffik (Reply 34):
They offer this as their second main choice on all flights (duration permitting!) I love the stuff.

Good to know!

On breakfast flights, I should have said! It's traditionally a Lebanese breakfast meal  

[Edited 2013-07-01 11:10:01]


Happy -go- lucky kinda guy!
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 37, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 16336 times:

Quoting raffik (Reply 36):
Ah, one has been delivered! My mistake, they have one more A320 due which will be in full Skyteam livery due around September.

I cannot wait to see it!

Quoting raffik (Reply 36):
And then they have the other A321 neo and A320s arriving the year after next which will replace some of the older A321s

And those A321s are only 10 years old. Interesting how MEA tries to keep its fleet age low.

Quoting raffik (Reply 36):

The airline had been contemplating an order this year of A319s or Bombardier C Series aircraft for route expansion but due to the political issues in Syria these have been put on hold.

That's too bad. There would be lots of potential, I guess.

Quoting raffik (Reply 36):
However, they have started Najaf, Yerevan, Rhodes, Mykonos and Berlin this year as new destinations (Rhodes and Mykonos seasonally) so some expansion with the existing fleet.

Interesting - it seems Greek isles are popular among the Lebanese.

Quoting raffik (Reply 36):
Throughout the summer, yes. There is a lot of trade between Cyprus and Lebanon and during the summer months the Gulf routes are very busy.

Alright, thanks!

Quoting raffik (Reply 36):
Despite the problems in Syria, people in the Gulf still come to Lebanon and as the land crossing through Syria is now closed (virtually, it is possible but extremely dangerous), MEA is seeing many more passengers as those who would once drive are now having to fly. Also, there are many Lebanese who work in the Gulf so the demand is there. Similarly, the fact that Damascus airport is now closed means that Beirut is used as the primary airport for many Syrians who are travelling overseas as they are all being funnelled through Beirut airport.

Interesting. Let's hope that the conflict won't spread.

Quoting raffik (Reply 36):
On breakfast flights, I should have said! It's traditionally a Lebanese breakfast meal

It would be my preferred option on any MEA "breakfast flight".


PH



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User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1313 posts, RR: 13
Reply 38, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 16035 times:

Hey PH!

Thank you for the report on your short hop to Lebanon.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Very detailed fleet information page...couldn't find any mistakes, except for the gray engine on the 737-700:

Man I remember when I flew TK in 2002 and all their long howl fleet was just 5 A340s....

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
20 minutes after the snack service, the flight attendants commenced serving lunch - from the back, btw, so my preferred choice (beef) was still available. The tray looks impressive...

Impressive indeed!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
Süleymaniye Mosque and Istanbul University

Great photo.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
Finally, I passed security and went up to the departures level. However, no matter where I went to - gate areas, shopping zones, restaurants or restrooms - all these places were crowded. I even had to wait in line in the restrooms!

No doubt that TK is growing way faster the IST. Since both belong the the Turkish government, I do not understand why there is not attempt to balance each other. With Istanbul's 3rd airport still just on paper, there are few more years of IST been the main airport.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 3):
A very friendly female flight attendant distributed the trays on our side and I asked her what "Knafeh" was. She smiled and explained that it was a sweet cheese pastry and I decided to try it - which made her smile even more. Here's my tray which looked really good:

What a shame that your first knafeh is airplane one! Once you're here i'll take you to eat the best knafeh in the world, in Jerusalem's old city.

Great report as always. MEA is just fantastic, I wish i'd live the day I can fly it.
Jonathan



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User currently offlineSaloth Sar From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 15997 times:

Impressive trip report! May I ask, how did you get that effect with the first photo?

User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 40, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 15937 times:

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 38):
Thank you for the report on your short hop to Lebanon.
Quoting EL-AL (Reply 38):
Great report as always.

Hi Jonathan, thanks a lot for your feedback!

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 38):
Man I remember when I flew TK in 2002 and all their long howl fleet was just 5 A340s....

TK's growth has indeed been enormous. The narrowbody fleet has been expanded massively as well.

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 38):
Great photo.

The weather was great on that afternoon.

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 38):
No doubt that TK is growing way faster the IST. Since both belong the the Turkish government, I do not understand why there is not attempt to balance each other. With Istanbul's 3rd airport still just on paper, there are few more years of IST been the main airport.

Yes, will be interesting to see how TK will manage the planned growth at the existing airport in the next few years.

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 38):
What a shame that your first knafeh is airplane one! Once you're here i'll take you to eat the best knafeh in the world, in Jerusalem's old city.

That sounds great! I'd love to visit Israel. Maybe next year? How many days would you recommend for a small sightseeing tour? And what's the best time of the year?

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 38):
MEA is just fantastic, I wish i'd live the day I can fly it.

Well, who knows how the world will look like in 5 or 10 years. I'm still optimistic.

Quoting Saloth Sar (Reply 39):
Impressive trip report!

Thank you, Saloth Sar!

Quoting Saloth Sar (Reply 39):
May I ask, how did you get that effect with the first photo?

It's one of the photo effects in Paint Shop, not difficult to use.


PH



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User currently onlinedirktraveller From Singapore, joined Jan 2011, 597 posts, RR: 2
Reply 41, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 15936 times:

Hello PH

Impressive trip report as usual  
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
TC-JNH was the first factory fresh A330-300 to join the Turkish Airlines fleet...

I flew TC-JNH to CGK two years ago, a really great bird. I also liked the colorful Economy Class TK had. Looks like a really great Economy product for an intra-european flight on that distance.

On another note, Middle East Airlines (MEA) equipment looks great, at least better than what I thought it would be. Being rarely presented in the forum, MEA does look great with PTVs even on the narrow-body A320s.

Its just too bad that they used the sliding shell- economy class seats, which people found to be less comfortable compared to the normal reclining seats. The menu was a nice touch, and overall they seemed to be a decent airline. Thanks for sharing this report.

Regards,
Dirktraveller.


User currently offlineRussianGirl From Russia, joined Jan 2011, 107 posts, RR: 2
Reply 42, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 15860 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 31):
Any plans for a new report?

I haven't been written here for 1 year! Shame on me(
I have written to this forum 2 first parts: about Yak-42 and about trip to France with Aeroflot! So I want write the second parts   But initially I discribe my beautiful autumn flight with UTair


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 43, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 15751 times:

Quoting dirktraveller (Reply 41):
Impressive trip report as usual

Thanks a lot, dirktraveller!

Quoting dirktraveller (Reply 41):
I flew TC-JNH to CGK two years ago, a really great bird.

And almost brand new back then.

Quoting dirktraveller (Reply 41):
I also liked the colorful Economy Class TK had.

The choice of colors was indeed a good one.

Quoting dirktraveller (Reply 41):
Looks like a really great Economy product for an intra-european flight on that distance.

No doubt about that. TK's newer narrowbodies have PTVs as well, btw.

Quoting dirktraveller (Reply 41):
On another note, Middle East Airlines (MEA) equipment looks great, at least better than what I thought it would be. Being rarely presented in the forum, MEA does look great with PTVs even on the narrow-body A320s.

It was a good decision by MEA to install PTVs on narrowbodies as well.

Quoting dirktraveller (Reply 41):
The menu was a nice touch, and overall they seemed to be a decent airline.

  

Quoting RussianGirl (Reply 42):
I haven't been written here for 1 year! Shame on me(

No worries, Anastasia.

Quoting RussianGirl (Reply 42):
So I want write the second parts But initially I discribe my beautiful autumn flight with UTair

Sounds good, I'm looking forward to it! We get far too few reports about Russian airlines on A.net.


PH



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User currently offlineLXM83 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 610 posts, RR: 5
Reply 44, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 15750 times:

Hello PlaneHunter

I truly enjoyed reading this report. Very nice to see MEA covered, from your description and pictures it seems a very friendly airline.

Nice arrival on TK in IST, I always like to exit or enter a widebody aircraft over the stairs!

Best regards, LXM83


User currently offlinejwhite9185 From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 1342 posts, RR: 12
Reply 45, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 15749 times:

Hi there PH - interesting read as ever.

Shame about missing the 777, however at least you managed to miss the A32X - much like how I felt on my last trip when I missed the MD80, but ended up on a Jettime 733.

Turkish do look impressive with the meal option in economy, although I'm led to believe BA serve full meals on their LHR-IST flights also.

Also good to see the MEA A320 having full ife. Always odd seeing a narrow body with PTV's I find!

Looking forward to the conclusion.



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User currently offlineSultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1746 posts, RR: 30
Reply 46, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 15670 times:
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Hi PH, how are you?

I’m most glad to see the 1st part of a new series of yours here, it ws a nice read and a good starter to hopefully more to come.

Turkish is ranked high on my list, however for my trip to DXB in Nov, I chose your homecarrier to bring me there iso Turkish. But I do need to try them out in the future for sure, they send the big birds to BRU as well although on an irregular basis... MEA has always intrigued me, they also fly to BRU with the A320. As a small Middle Eastern airline located in the midst of the bling bling carriers (Etihad, Qatar, Emirates,...) I do wonder how they keep it up. Well, I guess you showed us here: a modern fleet, good food and good service   

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Map

Nice zig-zag routing!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
...and is named "Topkap%u0131"

That reminds me of my visit to IST a few years ago where I paid a visit to this grand palace with the same name.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
"No 777 today - last minute aircraft change?", I asked, but he apparently didn't understand what I was talking about

   You didn’t try to explain him/her in Turkish  

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The seat was comfortable enough...

Hmm, quite a surprising combination with the ligh blue seats and green head rests. Was this all over the cabin?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
there's more space due to the lack of IFE boxes

That can only be applauded!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Some treats for the cruise ship lovers

I’m sure fellow a.netter OA260 will appreciate that 

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
uddenly a man seated behind me shouted at her in a demanding tone of voice: "Water, please!"

What kind os stupid behaviour is that  Wow! Well, at least he said ‘please’.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
That's how a narrowbody cabin should look like, at least in terms of hardware

Looks very nice and modern but I do have my doubts about the ‘slide forward to recline’ concept as well. On these narrowbodies it affects my much needed legroom! (and on the widebodies as well of course but to a lesser degree  )

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
MEA was about to serve brunch shortly after departure

Brunch in the middle of the night? I don’t know if I would be hungry. But after seeing that tray, most likely yes   

Sultanils



In thrust we trust.
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 47, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 15121 times:

Quoting LXM83 (Reply 44):
I truly enjoyed reading this report.

Hi LXM83, thanks for your comments! Good to hear you enjoyed it.

Quoting LXM83 (Reply 44):
Very nice to see MEA covered, from your description and pictures it seems a very friendly airline.

Absolutely!

Quoting LXM83 (Reply 44):
Nice arrival on TK in IST, I always like to exit or enter a widebody aircraft over the stairs!

That's nice indeed. I just don't like it in extreme heat or in bad weather.

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 45):
Hi there PH - interesting read as ever.

Hi James, thanks for your reply!

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 45):
Shame about missing the 777, however at least you managed to miss the A32X - much like how I felt on my last trip when I missed the MD80, but ended up on a Jettime 733.

Yes, plans do not work out sometimes. That's part of the game.

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 45):
Turkish do look impressive with the meal option in economy, although I'm led to believe BA serve full meals on their LHR-IST flights also.

I think Lufthansa does so, too.

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 45):
Also good to see the MEA A320 having full ife. Always odd seeing a narrow body with PTV's I find!

More and more airlines install them on narrowbodies, fortunately.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 46):
Hi PH, how are you?

I’m most glad to see the 1st part of a new series of yours here, it ws a nice read and a good starter to hopefully more to come.

Hi Nils, many thanks for your feedback! Good to hear from you.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 46):
Turkish is ranked high on my list, however for my trip to DXB in Nov, I chose your homecarrier to bring me there iso Turkish.

Interesting. Will you fly via FRA or MUC? I guess you chose to fly on the bigger equipment.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 46):
But I do need to try them out in the future for sure, they send the big birds to BRU as well although on an irregular basis...

I guess there will be many interesting options to try the ever expanding TK in the future.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 46):
As a small Middle Eastern airline located in the midst of the bling bling carriers (Etihad, Qatar, Emirates,...) I do wonder how they keep it up. Well, I guess you showed us here: a modern fleet, good food and good service

They can probably rely on healthy O&D traffic as well. But they could be much bigger without the permanent political tensions in the area.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 46):
Nice zig-zag routing!

   I didn't create that on purpose!

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 46):
That reminds me of my visit to IST a few years ago where I paid a visit to this grand palace with the same name.

It's good to see TK still names its planes despite the quick expansion.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 46):
You didn’t try to explain him/her in Turkish

Yes, that would have helped.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 46):
Hmm, quite a surprising combination with the ligh blue seats and green head rests. Was this all over the cabin?

Yes, I found it quite nice.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 46):

That can only be applauded!

  

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 46):
I’m sure fellow a.netter OA260 will appreciate that

  

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 46):
What kind os stupid behaviour is that Wow! Well, at least he said ‘please’.

Well, he did indeed say please, but the tone was disrespectful.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 46):
On these narrowbodies it affects my much needed legroom!

That's true, unfortunately.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 46):
Brunch in the middle of the night? I don’t know if I would be hungry. But after seeing that tray, most likely yes

I'm sure you would have enjoyed it.


PH



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User currently offlineSultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1746 posts, RR: 30
Reply 48, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 15104 times:
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Hi again PH,

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 47):
Interesting. Will you fly via FRA or MUC? I guess you chose to fly on the bigger equipment.

Well, TK was a good option as well, with interesting eqpt (B773) but the flight times are roughly 3h and 4h which makes it difficult to get some sleep. Therefore I opted for the LH redeye flight, outbound via MUC, inbound via FRA, giving some little under 7h under the same plane and hopefully some rest. Btw, LH were the cheapest as well.

Sultanils



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User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 34
Reply 49, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 15060 times:

It's getting off topic PH... Yes I understand your German view, but I will never forgive Swiss and LH Group for not honoring the Myanmar fare. It was IATA full fare F, many flew, those who were ticketed on LX were sent a rude letter (incl. me). LH also tried to get out of a HEL-BOG/CCS, zero base fare but 250+ in taxes. They relented after it hit the tabloids.

BA has never shown such attitude - $1 seattle to europe (WT+) was honored without questions for example.



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User currently offlineWidebodyroga From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 613 posts, RR: 16
Reply 50, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14979 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
I guess you had a 332?

Indeed a 332. It was one of the most uncomfortable TALTs I can recall, mostly thanks to the IFE box.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 18):
They also have chefs on board, like Austrian.

Yeah, I thought that this was a very nice touch when I flew TK in November (even if the chef's role is to some degree decorational).

Stojan



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User currently offlineEmek96 From Germany, joined Apr 2013, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 14850 times:

Hi Udo !

Very nice report espacially about the TK flight !

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The Terminal 1 gate areas are nice for spotting, so I cannot complain about this old building and its layout.

I don't know why many people are complaining all the time about that building because it is old or so, in general it is one of my favourite terminals in europe, because it isn't that, well ''boring'' . Well e.g. MUC is nice new and clean, but I still prefer such ''special'' airports.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The tray looks impressive...

Absolutely, I can only agree. I think on the IST route carriers like LX or LH just serve a small pasta dish or so (I saw it on LX 2 years ago). I am looking very foreward to my TK flight in summer from MCT to IST, and I hope the food/service will be as good as on your flight.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
Well, there are some lounges which grant access for a fee, e.g. the Millennium Lounge which is nice, but I didn't want to pay €20+ for two hours or so.

I agree here again, you know I like lounges, but I wouldn't spend money or it, if you have status or businessclass it is sure OK.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):


As a full service carrier, MEA provides meals even on such short flights

MEA looks rather good as well, I think next to all the gulf carriers have such e nice service, well not yet KU, but they will as far as I heard get new aircraft too.

Elias


User currently offlineMSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2474 posts, RR: 16
Reply 52, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 14342 times:

Hello PH

Great review about TK and MEA!
TK is nothing more or less than I expected, too bad you did not have the 777! But still beats the A320 series.

MEA is a different story that looked quite impressive as well. Modern seating, friendly service and great food! This report proves that there is more in the Middle East then Emirates/Qatar/ethiad.

Greetings
Marc



Next trip report: Well worn A330s and Hassle free MUC transfer
User currently offlineCaptainRed From Germany, joined Oct 2010, 698 posts, RR: 21
Reply 53, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 13753 times:

Hi PH,

finally I found the time to read your report here, and a good one it was as usual. Really enjoyed it. Very interesting itinerary you have put together here. Sorry to hear that you missed the TK 777, but well, at least you got another widebody.

MEA looks pretty decent here, very nice to get a meal even on the short sector. And this Knafeh for sure was interesting, I think I would have tried it as well. Nice personal touch here by the FA to ask you afterwards how it was, that's how it should be.

Also great pictures here, I especially like the ones from the approach into IST, you can really see what a big city this is.

CaptainRed


User currently offlineadamspotter From Netherlands, joined Feb 2011, 1168 posts, RR: 12
Reply 54, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 13677 times:
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Hello PH!

Another great report you made here provided with many nice pictures! You sure choose a great itinerary   TK looks very nice, as usual, shame the meal didn't meet your expectations. I had a bunch of great meals during my TK flights back in March!
MEA also looks very nice, shame about the uncomfortable seats though..

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Over the course of four days, I would fly on four new carriers (MEA, Luxair, CityJet and VLM) and visit three new airports (Beirut, Luxembourg and London City)

Very impressive!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
I checked in at the Ibis CDG Airport

Stayed there before. Great hotel to get some nice spotting done, the rooms could be a bit bigger though!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
Well, I selected a window seat in the back and kept hoping that there wouldn't be a last minute aircraft change...

TK sure are famous for their last minute aircraft changes, shame you got one in the end too..

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Now it was time again to enter one of the funky Terminal 1 escalator tubes...

A lot of people dont like T1 but I love it, despite it being old. Those escalator tubes sure look fun!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
I started a conversation with a young male flight attendant. "No 777 today - last minute aircraft change?", I asked, but he apparently didn't understand what I was talking about

TK FAs aren't very good in English unfortunately, one of the downsides of TK..

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Parked next to us was United 767-300ER N655UA in nice old colors

Gonna miss those old colors!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Many people hate it, but I like it:

Same here!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
CDG Airport

Great catch!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Finally, we turned back and I enjoyed stunning views during final approach to runway 23:

What a stunning approach, great stuff  
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Finally, I passed security and went up to the departures level. However, no matter where I went to - gate areas, shopping zones, restaurants or restrooms - all these places were crowded. I even had to wait in line in the restrooms

One of the downsides of IST, it is way too overcrowded and keeps on getting worse during peak times.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 3):
Suddenly a man seated behind me shouted at her in a demanding tone of voice: "Water, please!"

Some people will never learn..

Thanks for another great report and looking forward to the next parts!

cheers,

Brendan


User currently offlinelukeyboy95 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 1096 posts, RR: 32
Reply 55, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 13442 times:

Hi PH,

Always a delight to sit down with one of your reports, and invariably on nice routes and airlines. But surely with all these miles under your belt, you must have some sort of 'status' to get into lounges etc nowadays?
Anyway, you make your reports for the people and I like this.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
At least it was one of TK's A330-300s and not an A330-200 or an A340-300 (both of which I had flown on before), or

I know how much this sort of thing causes dismay with you. I have never got too worried about this sort of thing, though my plane of preference is always an A321!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
provided by the heavily advertised DO&CO catering which calls itself "The Gourmet Entertainment Company". As for variety - I'm not a TK frequent flyer and cannot draw any conclusions, but I found it quite interesting that my main course looked very similar to the one I had received on my LHR-IST flight almost a year before.

Yes, and now they are expanding into other airports? Jwhites report has a picture of DO&co trucks loading an EK A380 in LHR. It could perhaps be all talk, but the meals seem consistent... consistently the same.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
all these places were crowded. I even had to wait in line in the restrooms!

IST is quickly turning into a horror of an airport. Are the authorities there doing anything to ease the congestion? Had a terrible time there a year ago.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
The flight was packed, I didn't see more than a handful of empty seats.

Probably high loads because of the unique situations in the regions.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 3):
After I had finished eating, the nice flight attendant returned and asked me how I liked "Knafeh" - I told her that I liked it a lot and she seemed to be satisfied. I can only praise MEA for this good meal - and I can only praise that flight attendant for her personal service. thumbsup

Good gosh, never heard of that. Good to see they were fresh and friendly on such a red-eye flight.

Many thanks Udo.

Luke  



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User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5124 posts, RR: 55
Reply 56, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12670 times:

Thanks for the writeup and your continuously interesting routings  .

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Boarding was done by groups, but numerous people were blocking the way which wasn't helpful. So it took me a while to get through the crowd. Once on board, friendly flight attendants welcomed me. When I arrived in the back, I started a conversation with a young male flight attendant. "No 777 today - last minute aircraft change?", I asked, but he apparently didn't understand what I was talking about...anyway, I returned to my seat after we had exchanged a few more words.

= I am a huge fan of TK and continue to believe in them. But with their recent growth, a lot of their new hire crew members have become robots who simply cannot interact with passengers in a genuine manner. Add in the language barrier, and you have situations like this one. Shame really.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
MEA's entire fleet is equipped with fixed shell seats (more about this later)...

= I just flew on MEA's 330 and was disappointed with these seats. I am glad you had a good flight. I don't find them particularly good.

Thanks again for sharing.

Saludos,
Alex



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User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1313 posts, RR: 13
Reply 57, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12066 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 40):
That sounds great! I'd love to visit Israel. Maybe next year? How many days would you recommend for a small sightseeing tour? And what's the best time of the year?

If you are not into the christian sites in the Galilee and not in the desert and Eilat, I think one week will do it (2 days for Jerusalem, a day to the dead sea, 2 days to Tel Aviv and a day for inbetween).

Avoid June-september as it's very hot to be outside. October and April are the best, but the winter is also very calm in Israel (always way above freezing point and no snow).



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User currently offlineroberts87 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2011, 1002 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11676 times:

Great report as always PH!

TK seems very good as usual, impressed as always by their catering on these intra-Europe flights. Too bad IST is way to small for all those flights and passengers. MEA looks very interesting also, wouldn't mind trying their product once as well.

Thanks for sharing!


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 59, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11382 times:

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 48):
Therefore I opted for the LH redeye flight, outbound via MUC, inbound via FRA, giving some little under 7h under the same plane and hopefully some rest.

Hi again, Nils! Good idea to choose that combo. Which types are on schedule? 744 and A343?

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 48):
Btw, LH were the cheapest as well.

Interesting, doesn't happen too often here.

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 49):
It's getting off topic PH... Yes I understand your German view, but I will never forgive Swiss and LH Group for not honoring the Myanmar fare. It was IATA full fare F, many flew, those who were ticketed on LX were sent a rude letter (incl. me). LH also tried to get out of a HEL-BOG/CCS, zero base fare but 250+ in taxes. They relented after it hit the tabloids.

Well, it has been obvious from the beginning that something was wrong...but I guess we have to agree to disagree.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 50):
Indeed a 332. It was one of the most uncomfortable TALTs I can recall, mostly thanks to the IFE box.

That's bad!

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 50):
Yeah, I thought that this was a very nice touch when I flew TK in November (even if the chef's role is to some degree decorational).

Certainly true. I'll soon try OS, will be interesting to see how their chef-on-board catering is like.

Quoting Emek96 (Reply 51):
Very nice report espacially about the TK flight !

Hi Elias, many thanks for your feedback!

Quoting Emek96 (Reply 51):

I don't know why many people are complaining all the time about that building because it is old or so, in general it is one of my favourite terminals in europe, because it isn't that, well ''boring'' . Well e.g. MUC is nice new and clean, but I still prefer such ''special'' airports.

I can only agree.

Quoting Emek96 (Reply 51):
I am looking very foreward to my TK flight in summer from MCT to IST, and I hope the food/service will be as good as on your flight.

Sounds good, I'm looking forward to your reports.

Quoting Emek96 (Reply 51):
I agree here again, you know I like lounges, but I wouldn't spend money or it, if you have status or businessclass it is sure OK.

20 Euro is okay if you have a long layover.

Quoting Emek96 (Reply 51):

MEA looks rather good as well, I think next to all the gulf carriers have such e nice service, well not yet KU, but they will as far as I heard get new aircraft too.[/quote

Yes, KU has finally decided to get new aircraft. It was about time.


[quote=MSS658,reply=52]
Great review about TK and MEA!

Hi Marc, thanks for your reply!

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 52):
TK is nothing more or less than I expected, too bad you did not have the 777! But still beats the A320 series.

No doubt about that.

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 52):
MEA is a different story that looked quite impressive as well. Modern seating, friendly service and great food! This report proves that there is more in the Middle East then Emirates/Qatar/ethiad.

Of course there's more!

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 53):
finally I found the time to read your report here, and a good one it was as usual. Really enjoyed it. Very interesting itinerary you have put together here.

Hi CaptainRed, thank you very much for your comments!

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 53):
Sorry to hear that you missed the TK 777, but well, at least you got another widebody.

  

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 53):
Also great pictures here, I especially like the ones from the approach into IST, you can really see what a big city this is.

Yes, I was very surprised about that nice approach.

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 54):
Another great report you made here provided with many nice pictures! You sure choose a great itinerary

Hi Brendan, many thanks for your feedback!

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 54):
I had a bunch of great meals during my TK flights back in March!

I'm looking forward to the reports!

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 54):
MEA also looks very nice, shame about the uncomfortable seats though..

  

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 54):
TK sure are famous for their last minute aircraft changes, shame you got one in the end too..

Well, I was somehow prepared.

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 54):
A lot of people dont like T1 but I love it, despite it being old. Those escalator tubes sure look fun!

Absolutely!

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 54):
TK FAs aren't very good in English unfortunately, one of the downsides of TK..

  

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 54):
Gonna miss those old colors!

I don't like the CO scheme any more...they should have introduced a new livery after the merger.

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 54):
What a stunning approach, great stuff

Thanks!

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 54):

Thanks for another great report and looking forward to the next parts!

Good to hear!

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 55):
Always a delight to sit down with one of your reports, and invariably on nice routes and airlines.

Hi Luke, many thanks for your reply! Good to hear from you.

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 55):
But surely with all these miles under your belt, you must have some sort of 'status' to get into lounges etc nowadays?

Status has never been a priority for me. My focus is on new airlines/types.

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 55):
Anyway, you make your reports for the people and I like this.

Thanks!

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 55):
I know how much this sort of thing causes dismay with you. I have never got too worried about this sort of thing, though my plane of preference is always an A321!

Really? Why exactly the A321?

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 55):
Yes, and now they are expanding into other airports? Jwhites report has a picture of DO&co trucks loading an EK A380 in LHR. It could perhaps be all talk, but the meals seem consistent... consistently the same.

I still prefer EK's meals over TK's, though.

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 55):

IST is quickly turning into a horror of an airport. Are the authorities there doing anything to ease the congestion?

I guess there's not much they can do anytime soon.

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 55):
Probably high loads because of the unique situations in the regions.

Yes, probably.

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 55):
Many thanks Udo.

Thanks again for your comments!

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 56):
Thanks for the writeup and your continuously interesting routings

Hi Alex, thanks for leaving a reply.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 56):
= I am a huge fan of TK and continue to believe in them. But with their recent growth, a lot of their new hire crew members have become robots who simply cannot interact with passengers in a genuine manner. Add in the language barrier, and you have situations like this one. Shame really.

Absolutely, I can only agree. I fear the situation won't get better anytime soon.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 56):
= I just flew on MEA's 330 and was disappointed with these seats. I am glad you had a good flight. I don't find them particularly good.

MEA in general? Bad experiences?

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 57):
If you are not into the christian sites in the Galilee and not in the desert and Eilat, I think one week will do it (2 days for Jerusalem, a day to the dead sea, 2 days to Tel Aviv and a day for inbetween).

Avoid June-september as it's very hot to be outside. October and April are the best, but the winter is also very calm in Israel (always way above freezing point and no snow).

Hi again, Jonathan. Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. I guess I would leave the Christian sites out. Jerusalem would be a priority.

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 58):
Great report as always PH!

Many thanks, Robert!

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 58):
TK seems very good as usual, impressed as always by their catering on these intra-Europe flights.

One cannot complain about the quantity of food!

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 58):
Too bad IST is way to small for all those flights and passengers.

  

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 58):
MEA looks very interesting also, wouldn't mind trying their product once as well.

Yes, you should try it!


PH



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User currently offlineronerone From Jordan, joined Aug 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 53
Reply 60, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11251 times:

Dear Udo,

As always an excellent report on TK and ME.

TK's European service seems quite interesting and a little more elaborate than others in the region. The meal did look very tasty, but i guess looks aren't everything. Perhaps it was DO&CO on an off day? It is funny how IST is known for its congestion, and while I haven't been there, the pictures really do tell. All you can see is TK tail after tail all over the place!

As for MEA, all reports I have seen on them -which aren't too many- show them as an excellent airline. They have always impressed me! And now they impress me again with serving Knafeh on board! insane. And i quite liked the idea of a more elaborate brunch -even though it was served at 4am- as opposed to a snack and a breakfast. Very good indeed!

Many thanks for sharing this with us. Always looking forward to more!

Cheers,
Roni



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User currently offlineknightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1836 posts, RR: 20
Reply 61, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11243 times:

Hi Udo

What an interesting routing and an even more exotic mix or airlines! Thanks for writing this up, I greatly enjoyed reading it.

It's a pity the TK B777 didn't materialise, although at least they didn't disgrace themselves by sending you a narrowbody instead. And the A 330 is rather a gorgeous bird.

As for MEA, I must say, from your pictures I am quite surprised. I was expecting an old-fashioned seat and a tired looking cabin, when in actual fact the hardware looks rather good.

Pity you didn't have the chance to spend some time in Beirut. I think you're probably quite right in not taking any chances in that neck of the wood but from what I've heard and from some of the trip reports here it must be a very nice city. All the more reason to return there some other time I guess on another one of your extraordinarily well researched journeys.

Cheers,
William


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 62, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 10572 times:

Quoting ronerone (Reply 60):
As always an excellent report on TK and ME.

Hi Roni, thank you very much for your feedback! Good to hear from you!

Quoting ronerone (Reply 60):
The meal did look very tasty, but i guess looks aren't everything. Perhaps it was DO&CO on an off day?

Hopefully!

Quoting ronerone (Reply 60):
As for MEA, all reports I have seen on them -which aren't too many- show them as an excellent airline.

MEA did really impress me, wouldn't mind to fly it again.

Quoting ronerone (Reply 60):
They have always impressed me!

I have always liked the cedar tree on the tail!

Quoting ronerone (Reply 60):
And now they impress me again with serving Knafeh on board! insane.

That was great indeed.

Quoting ronerone (Reply 60):
Many thanks for sharing this with us. Always looking forward to more!

Thanks again! I'm also looking forward to your next adventure.

Quoting knightsofmalta (Reply 61):
What an interesting routing and an even more exotic mix or airlines! Thanks for writing this up, I greatly enjoyed reading it.

Hi William, many thanks for your comments! I'm glad you liked it.

Quoting knightsofmalta (Reply 61):
It's a pity the TK B777 didn't materialise, although at least they didn't disgrace themselves by sending you a narrowbody instead. And the A 330 is rather a gorgeous bird.

Absolutely, the A333 was the second best option to get.

Quoting knightsofmalta (Reply 61):
As for MEA, I must say, from your pictures I am quite surprised. I was expecting an old-fashioned seat and a tired looking cabin, when in actual fact the hardware looks rather good.

I had been aware of the new hardware on all aircraft, but nothing else. I was very surprised about service and catering.

Quoting knightsofmalta (Reply 61):
Pity you didn't have the chance to spend some time in Beirut. I think you're probably quite right in not taking any chances in that neck of the wood but from what I've heard and from some of the trip reports here it must be a very nice city.

Yes, too bad. I'm hoping that things will improve in the country, would love to make a visit.

Quoting knightsofmalta (Reply 61):
All the more reason to return there some other time I guess on another one of your extraordinarily well researched journeys.

Well, let's wait and see.


PH



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User currently offlineinfodesk From Switzerland, joined May 2006, 1461 posts, RR: 33
Reply 63, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10485 times:

Hi PH,

That’s a good idea for a 4 day trip, logging some exotic widebodies- such a delight to do on shorter flights. MEA is very exotic and something we don’t read much about here. With the exception of the tray you got on your first flight (which wouldn’t have been to my taste) they offer a very good product and cabins are very smart. You’re quite brave doing such a short transit in BEY though!

Shame you got the A333 and not the 777 on TK, but at least it wasn’t downgraded to a narrowbody…..

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Now it was time again to enter one of the funky Terminal 1 escalator tubes...

Never seen those before, very cool.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
but the meal quality didn't entirely come up to expectations. The beef was okay, but the chicken breast was dry - and the pieces of eggplant were soaked in oil and totally mushy. As for the chocolate cake - it was okay, no more, no less.

Well, like you say, it looks nice, shame the taste didn’t live up to the appearance. Although I’d rather have soggy eggplant than when it’s not cooked properly  
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Suddenly a man seated behind me shouted at her in a demanding tone of voice: "Water, please!" Wow, sometimes you really have to wonder. The flight attendant didn't react which wasn't surprising considering that the plane was about to enter the runway.

Some people on this planet are just unbelievable.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
A very friendly female flight attendant distributed the trays on our side and I asked her what "Knafeh" was. She smiled and explained that it was a sweet cheese pastry and I decided to try it - which made her smile even more. Here's my tray which looked really good

That must have been a delicious meal!

Happy flying
Infodesk   



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User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1107 posts, RR: 8
Reply 64, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10220 times:

Hi PlaneHunter, thanks for putting together this very thorough and interesting Trip Report.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
As soon as I woke up in the morning, I checked Flightradar24...and was vastly disappointed that an A330 was operating TK1821 to Paris...so much for the desired 777 ride.

Ahhh that sucks, a 77W would have been much better! Your flight looked pretty full, so I wonder why they changed the aircraft type.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
Before printing the boarding pass, he asked me twice whether this was a business trip - apparently he was rather confused about the fact that I would return to Paris in less than 20 hours after transiting in Istanbul and Beirut. He was finally satisfied and smiled when I told him that I was simply enjoying flying around.

These situations are always somewhat awkward and uncomfortable. For me, I've found that it just makes things easier to be like "Yes, I have a quick meeting that I have to go to" or if they question my choice of routing, I usually tell them "Sorry, it was the cheapest flight I could find". I suppose it's not completely truthful, but it definitely makes things much less complicated...

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
Many people hate it, but I like it:

Agreed, I think it's a cool looking structure for sure.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
That's how a narrowbody cabin should look like, at least in terms of hardware:

Wow, I am completely impressed with MEA's hard product offering.

Overall, it looks like TK delivered what they advertise minus the disappointing food. MEA looks extremely impressive though, and they don't appear to cut corners anywhere from a passenger service standpoint. The meal service looks great, and it seems like the cabin crew were very friendly. BEY is on my to-do list, and I'd love to fly MEA there.

Thank you for sharing!


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 65, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9522 times:

Quoting infodesk (Reply 63):
That’s a good idea for a 4 day trip, logging some exotic widebodies- such a delight to do on shorter flights.

Hi Hannah, many thanks for your comments! The MEA A332 had been on my do-to-list for a long time.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 63):
With the exception of the tray you got on your first flight (which wouldn’t have been to my taste) they offer a very good product and cabins are very smart.

  

Quoting infodesk (Reply 63):
You’re quite brave doing such a short transit in BEY though!

Everything was on one ticket, so I wasn't overly concerned.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 63):
Shame you got the A333 and not the 777 on TK, but at least it wasn’t downgraded to a narrowbody…..

Absolutely. The A333 was the second best option to get.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 63):
Never seen those before, very cool.

  

Quoting infodesk (Reply 63):
Well, like you say, it looks nice, shame the taste didn’t live up to the appearance. Although I’d rather have soggy eggplant than when it’s not cooked properly

Good point!

Quoting infodesk (Reply 63):
Some people on this planet are just unbelievable.

No doubt about that.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 63):
That must have been a delicious meal!

  

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 64):
Hi PlaneHunter, thanks for putting together this very thorough and interesting Trip Report.

Hi MHTripple7, thank you for leaving a reply! Good to hear you enjoyed it.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 64):

Ahhh that sucks, a 77W would have been much better!

That's certainly true.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 64):
Your flight looked pretty full, so I wonder why they changed the aircraft type.

Who knows, TK does that quite often.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 64):
These situations are always somewhat awkward and uncomfortable. For me, I've found that it just makes things easier to be like "Yes, I have a quick meeting that I have to go to" or if they question my choice of routing, I usually tell them "Sorry, it was the cheapest flight I could find". I suppose it's not completely truthful, but it definitely makes things much less complicated...

True!

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 64):
Agreed, I think it's a cool looking structure for sure.

  

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 64):
Wow, I am completely impressed with MEA's hard product offering.

One can only praise them for that investment.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 64):
Overall, it looks like TK delivered what they advertise minus the disappointing food.

The food wasn't too bad, so yes, TK did a good job.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 64):
MEA looks extremely impressive though, and they don't appear to cut corners anywhere from a passenger service standpoint. The meal service looks great, and it seems like the cabin crew were very friendly. BEY is on my to-do list, and I'd love to fly MEA there.

I can only recommend to try MEA!


PH



P.S.: Part II can be found here:
Short Hops, High Quality: Luxair, VLM & CityJet (by PlaneHunter Jul 31 2013 in Trip Reports)



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User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1714 posts, RR: 18
Reply 66, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8221 times:

Hi PH, thanks for an interesting an enjoyable report!

Must say that Turkish Airlines Economy Class looks quite nice, especially the food which is normally superb. Too bad your meal wasn't up to the standard, but then again I would say there aren't many airlines who serve full meals on European flights.

The A330-300 is certainly a nice catch on EU routes and by the looks of the load on your flight, it really seems justified for the route. The legroom looks a little tight, but I suppose it should be doable for a longer flight?

I find it rather interesting that the woman on the safety card happened to be onboard my flight to Kuala Lumpur. While I was rather shy to ask, I'm pretty sure it must've been her.  

The MEA A320 looks impressive, especially with the seats that look very similar to those that ANA have on the B787.

Thanks for sharing!



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 67, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7024 times:

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 66):
Hi PH, thanks for an interesting an enjoyable report!

Hi Jonas, thanks for your comments!

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 66):
Must say that Turkish Airlines Economy Class looks quite nice, especially the food which is normally superb. Too bad your meal wasn't up to the standard, but then again I would say there aren't many airlines who serve full meals on European flights.

TK's catering is impressive on European routes, no doubt about that.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 66):
he legroom looks a little tight, but I suppose it should be doable for a longer flight?

It was better than it may look on the picture - definitely okay for a longer flight.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 66):
I find it rather interesting that the woman on the safety card happened to be onboard my flight to Kuala Lumpur. While I was rather shy to ask, I'm pretty sure it must've been her.

Very interesting. You should have asked for a picture together with her!

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 66):
The MEA A320 looks impressive, especially with the seats that look very similar to those that ANA have on the B787.

I hope ANA's seats are more comfortable.


PH



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