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The Mississippi Delta On Silver Airways' Saab 340!  
User currently offlineKPWMSpotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 445 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 14870 times:



The Mississippi Delta on Silver Airways' Saab 340
ATL-TUP-GLH & Return on Silver Airways



The 4th of July is an American holiday intended solely for flag waving, patriotism, and the celebration of the United States. I've decided to form my own July 4th tradition, a celebration of my favorite program of the federal government: the Essential Air Service network!

Last July I took a trip on Georgia Skies purely out of curiosity about the airline ( Southern Hospitality? Georgia Skies C208, ATL-AHN (by KPWMSpotter Jul 9 2012 in Trip Reports) ). Since last summer, Georgia Skies has gone belly-up, its Cessna 208s replaced in Atlanta by sharp looking Saab 340s from Silver Airways. As I pondered what to do with my holiday weekend, I thought "why not try out the Saabs and make a tradition out of it?" Within a couple days I had booked myself a trip out to the very very small town of Greenville, Mississippi.

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"Why Greenville?" you may ask. The answer is simple: more flights for the money! Silver Airways operates a rather substantial network of routes out of Atlanta, mostly EAS routes, mostly taken over from Delta and Georgia Skies. Silver operates to a hand full of "deep south" destinations such as Muscle Shoals, Macon, and Tupelo. Greenville, however, is such a small market that it doesn't even warrant direct service from Atlanta. Greenville's three daily Saabs make stopovers in Tupelo in each direction. With fares averaging a little over $100 each way, that's four flights for only about $50 each!

The itinerary I decided on was ATL-TUP-GLH // GLH-TUP-ATL, with a sixteen hour overnight to enjoy Greenville, the "heart and soul of the Mississippi River Delta."



KATL-KGLH (via KTUP) Flight # SIL 3623
Equipment:
Saab 340B (N341AG)
Scheduled Departure: 19:45 Actual Departure: 19:30
Scheduled Arrival: 21:30 Actual Arrival: 20:46

The week of July 4th was an ugly one in Atlanta. A massive occluded front sat over the East coast of the US, drawing a constant stream of moisture up from the Gulf. The 3rd and 4th had been dominated by non-stop thunderstorms (of course making a mess of the Atlanta airport), but my flight out on the 5th was looking promising. Even though the weather had cooled down, my co-workers handed me a surplus air-sick bag as a "gift" as I headed out the door on Friday.

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Still plenty of wet weather in the South.

Checking in online, I found Silver's website to be surprisingly easy to navigate. Last year's trip on Georgia Skies was riddled with confused phone agents and unusable website features; Silver Airways' website felt like that of a real airline. While I was checking in I found that Silver even offers its own frequent flyer program; it appears to be tied directly to United's MileagePlus system, but it's certainly better than nothing.

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Checking in online.

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Seat selection for my outbound flight. Looks like only one other passenger today. The return flight looked just as empty.

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Checking out Silver's online route map. Looks like it shows all destinations as "non-stop" (even though they're not), but still an impressive collection of cities.

At about 5pm I headed across the field to check in at Silver's counter in the domestic terminal of Hartsfield Atlanta Airport. I found a single agent manning the Silver Airways counter, looking very very bored. Once she put away her phone she quickly checked me in, remarking "I didn't expect any passengers today!" Like Georgia Skies, Silver's flights depart from remote stands at a far corner of the E concourse. From check in to the gate takes almost 20 minutes, assuming no hassles with the TSA (none this time luckily).


Stormy skies on the other side of security.

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Plenty of Delta traffic, but no sign of Silver Airways yet.

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SAAB! Not my ride to Greenville though, this one would depart to Muscle Shoals, AL.

I checked in with the gate agent and asked how full the flight would be. He sort of grinned and told me "Only four passengers, but one hasn't checked in. We'll try to get you out of here early! As I took a seat, the Muscle Shoals flight starting boarding (a full hour before scheduled) and only two passengers got on the plane.

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My ride to GLH: N341AG, a 1998 build Saab 340B, formerly operated by Mesaba as N437XJ.


Lots of traffic dodging the storm clouds.

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China Airlines Cargo B747-400F departing against a dramatic sky.

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Boarding pass; actually printed on custom Silver Airways card stock!

Exactly 45 minutes prior to departure (the cut-off time for checking in) boarding was called for the flight. Three passengers showed up at the gate: a businessman headed to Tupelo, a woman headed to Greenville, and myself. The gate agent tore off and retained our boarding passes before leading everyone downstairs, onto the ramp, and into a waiting bus.

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Getting up close to a Delta 737-700 while boarding.

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Being bused to the plane.

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There she is, looking very good in the Silver livery.

The bus pulled up in front of N341AG, a very smart looking Saab 340B+ painted in Silver Airways' own livery. This Saab is actually relatively new, having been delivered in 1998 to Mesaba, flying as N437XJ under the Northwest and Delta banners before being retired in late 2011 and delivered as Silver's first Saab in 2012. It's quite likely that this airframe was once used to serve Tupelo and Greenville under the Delta and Northwest brands; Mesaba ran this route until Delta divested the majority of its EAS flying about a year ago.

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Walking around the plane to board - the best way to board.

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It looks like Silver names all of their Saabs. This is "Only the Beginning."

I climbed up the integral air-stairs and was greeted by a friendly flight attendant. "Watch your head on the door! Take a seat anywhere you would like, row 9 or further back for weight and balance, thanks!" I made my way back to my previously assigned seat at 10A, but found the window a bit smudged. Having plenty of room to move around, I moved one back to 11A where I found a cleaner window. As soon as all three of us were on board, the flight attendant came back and distributed miniature water bottles and wished everyone a pleasant flight.

All major passenger announcements were made using an automated recording, but the flight attendant supplemented the recording where necessary. I was surprised to hear, though, that the pilots gave no flight information or greeting, only a short "Flight Attendant, Take-Off" or "Landing Momentarily" where required during the flight.

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Seated in the back; the view from 11A.

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Not terrible leg-room, felt better than a CRJ-200.

The engines were started soon after the door was closed. The ramp agents wheeled away the ground power unit and we simply taxied forward out of the stand. Atlanta was using an eastbound operation, so we had a lengthy taxi down to 8R.

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Taxiing out past another Saab which just arrived.

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Lining up on 8R.

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Airborne, just past the famous (to spotters) Renaissance Hotel.

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Quick turn out to the North to keep from getting run over by an MD-88.

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In and out of the clouds during climb.

Turboprop takeoffs are always fun, since you really feel a surge of power as the props bite into the air. After the initial acceleration, though, climb out was quite slow meaning we spent lots of time being bumped around in and out of the clouds. Things settled out after ten minutes at a cruising altitude of only 16,000ft. The flight attendant came back and offered a selection of Coca-Cola products to drink (but no snacks.)

One passenger was looking visibly distraught, and seemed quite nervous to be on a small plane in bad weather. Since there were no magazines available in the seat-back pocket, the flight attendant offered her a selection of magazines from her personal collection to help keep her calm and distracted.

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Beverage service. Everyone got a full can.


Seat-back contents: only a safety card and sick-sack.

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Looks like a typical safety card to me.

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...although, the authors appear to have either overestimated the size of the plane, or underestimated the size of the passengers.

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Silver branded napkins, touting their Air Transport World "Best Regional Airline" award.

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Flying into some darker clouds.

The flight was totally uneventful until we started descending into Tupelo. We entered a line of thunderstorms that had the plane rocking and rolling all over the sky. Both other passengers were holding on for dear life; I was cursing my camera's low-light performance... We broke out of the storms and into the clear about ten miles out.

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On approach to TUP under a glowing sky.

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Flaps down, turning right base.

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Turning final.

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Sun poking through the clouds on final.


Touchdown (with some smoke!)

As we pulled off the runway in Tupelo I noticed something odd in the distance: a United Airlines 747-400 with its entire cockpit section cut out. I didn't realize it then, but apparently Tupelo is home to quite a large aircraft boneyard! I didn't get many good pictures in the low evening light, but don't worry, I took plenty on the return flight.

The aircraft pulled up to the Tupelo terminal and shut down. The one passenger heading to TUP was let off and both pilots disappeared onto the ramp to have lengthy cell-phone conversations. Once the pilots were back on board we were quickly underway for a short flight across the state of Mississippi to Greenville.

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What's this? I see a topless 747 in the distance.

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Pulling up to Tupelo's nice looking terminal.


The cockpit emptied for a couple minutes while the pilots called dispatch between segments.

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Taxiing out for a departure on Runway 18.

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Wow, that's quite a boneyard. Wasn't expecting that.

The flight attendant came back and again offered drinks, even though the flight was only scheduled to be 20 minutes.


Setting sun.


More setting sun.

The flight, approach, and landing into Greenville were uneventful. On landing we managed to use all 8001 feet of runway, using the least braking I've ever felt on landing. The door was quickly opened once we reached the terminal and I walked out into a well maintained terminal, packed full of aircraft models. More on that later.

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Stepping off the plane into the dark in Greenville.

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Ground crew putting the plane to bed for the night.

I had arranged for a taxi from the only cab company in town. The taxi driver was waiting in the terminal (even though we had arrived 45 minutes early) and greeted me by name.

Apparently the flight crew had arranged a ride with the same company and I ended up sharing a cab with the Flight Attendant and First Officer. The Flight Attendant asked why I had chosen Greenville for my trip, I explained the concept of a "Trip Report" and my interest in Silver Airways. She seemed pleased that I had enjoyed her airline so far, but had one warning about Greenville: "The water is brown!

She was right. The water in Greenville is always brown. When I checked into my hotel they explained that it was due to the Cypress Tree roots in the water table; still, it was quite odd to see. I settled in for the night and set an alarm so that I could explore the town early the next morning before my flight.

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Very big hotel room, not bad for $59 USD.

The next morning I awoke with the sun, skipped the cheap hotel breakfast, and walked outside. According to Google Maps, the Mississippi river should have been right across the street, instead I was faced with a very very big grassy hill. It took me a couple seconds before I realized "Oh, right, levee." and climbed the hill.

Greenville was once a busy railroad and manufacturing town, back when the Mississippi river was an essential link for commerce in the US. These days, Greenville is primarily agricultural, with a few factories and small railroad connections left. The city seems to be marketing itself around its riverboat casinos nowadays.

Walking through downtown, the area did have a certain Southern charm to it. Much of the architecture hadn't been updated since the 1940s (or longer in some cases), and was a little run-down in areas, but it all had much more character than today's cookie-cutter suburban landscapes.

I hardly saw any other people out and about during my walk. This may have been because it was 9am on a Saturday morning, but the whole town felt...sleepy.

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The Mississippi Levee, just across the street from the hotel.

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Stereotypical Mississippi River riverboat casino.

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Main Street Greenville.


Imposing Roman style banking building. No longer used as a bank though.

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A few run down row-houses. Most of the town was similarly run down.


Once busy streets, looking less-than-busy now.

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Former depot of the Columbus and Greenville Railroad. Now abandoned, like much of the town.

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Smokestack which used to belong to a lumber company.

At 10:30 I called a taxi (same one as picked me up last night) and headed back to the Airport for my flight to Atlanta.



KGLH-KATL (via KTUP) Flight # SIL 3620
Equipment:
Saab 340B (N346AG)
Scheduled Departure: 12:10 Actual Departure: 12:13
Scheduled Arrival: 15:45 Actual Arrival: 15:40

The Greenville Mid Delta Airport was once known as the Greenville Air Force Base, until the base was shut down in the 1960s. Greenville AFB trained many pilots through WWII and the early Cold War on Stearmans, T-6s, T-28s, and finally the T-33. The entrance to the Greenville Airport is now guarded by one of the T-33 Shooting Stars which was formerly stationed at the base. Between the classic jet on a stick and the orange checkered water tower, GLH certainly plays the part of a classic cold war air base.


T-33-on-a-stick guarding the gate at GLH.

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Well maintained for being on a stick.

Greenville's air carrier terminal is much newer than its gate guard. The modern building is more than big enough for the three 34-seat props it serves daily, with ample creature-comforts for passengers. The terminal even caters to aviation geeks like me.

The second story of the terminal is occupied by an air museum which details the military history of the airport and Air Force base. Between the dozens of aircraft models, preserved aircraft engines, and lots of other aviation artifacts, there was plenty to keep me occupied for the hour before flight.

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Small terminal building.

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"Mid Delta" Airport, not for the airline, but for the Mississippi Delta.

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Inside the terminal, in the cozy landside waiting room.

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Lots of models hanging from the ceiling. A C-47 towing a Waco CJ-4 assault glider.

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A Jacobs R-755 radial, off of a PT-18 Kaydet.

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One of a dozen info boards at the upstairs museum describing the former Greenville Air Base.

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"Night Landing" Looks like my flight through the thunderstorms later in the day...

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Looks about right...

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Looking down at the terminal from the museum balcony.


Relaxing in the free recliner, waiting for the security checkpoint to open.

While relaxing with my feet up in the waiting area, a TSA official appeared from the back offices and began setting up the security checkpoint for the day. With no nude-o-scope in sight, the official turned on and began testing the metal detector. I was surprised to watch him pull a small brass weight from a drawer and begin doing laps through the detector with the weight at various locations. Weight-on-top-of-head. beeeeeeeep! Weight-in-pocket. beeeeeeep! Weight-held-against-butt. beeeeeep! This process was repeated a couple dozen times, taking about five laps in each configuration. I was dizzy just watching him walk in circles that many times...

Eventually the security checkpoint opened up with a 1:1 passenger-to-screener ratio. Three TSA clerks and a local police officer were on hand to search the two passengers and two non-revs (I could tell they were non-revs because they were the flight attendant and first officer I had flown over and shared a cab with the night before...)

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Small security checkpoint. No nude-o-scope here.

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Small airside area. Plenty of space for the two passengers today.

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Interesting tile mosaic table in the airside area.

While the land-side check in area was branded clearly with Silver's name and logo, the air side area still housed a number of left-over artifacts from Mesaba's service to GLH. The most obvious of these was the "SkyPriority" mat and pole, but some signs on the podium dated back to Northwest's service to the airport.

For some reason the inbound flight from Tupelo never showed up on FlightAware (never climbed high enough for radar coverage perhaps?), but showed up right on time. About a dozen people deplaned, the two ramp agents swapped the baggage out of the hold, and all four of us (wow, full flight...) boarded for an on-time departure.


Left over Delta branding from the Delta/Mesaba days at Greenville.

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N346AG, my ride today, arriving from Tupelo.

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Right engine already shut down, being marshaled in.

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Hooking up the tail stand and emptying the baggage compartment.

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Walking out to the plane.


I reject your reality and substitute my own...
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User currently offlineKPWMSpotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 445 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 14872 times:

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Looks like I'll be on board "Team Victory" today.

The engine start-up procedure was interesting at Greenville. First the #2 engine was started, then the aircraft then pulled forward about ten feet away from the terminal. We came to a full stop just away from the terminal and waited for a couple minutes, then the #1 engine was started and then taxi-out continued.

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Turned around, taxiing out for a Northbound departure.

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Airborne again!

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Turning East-North-East towards Tupelo.

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Lots of low cumulus clouds today. Good weather for soaring, but not too bumpy for a Saab.

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Spotted this just west of Greenville. Looks like there's a romantic pilot (or a romantic very very tall person) in the area.

The flight attendant made an announcement just after takeoff that "no beverage service is scheduled for this very short flight, but please ring your flight attendant call button and I will be happy to bring you something." She also encouraged us to enjoy the United Hemispheres magazine or the Silver Airways magazine in the seat-back pocket. While all seats did have Hemispheres, I couldn't find any Silver Airways magazines. Do they actually publish their own magazine?


Looks like this will be a United branded flight. Seat back pockets contained Hemispheres Magazines and UA Ads.

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Formerly a Greenville Air Station outlying field, now the Indianola Regional Airport.

The pilots seemed to be having fun "cloud surfing" on the way over to Tupelo. The largest of the cloud build-ups were climbing through our cruising altitude of 9000ft; there were a few instances where we made a last minute swooping turn to just graze the edges of the clouds.

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Ducking around the bigger build-ups en route.

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Cruising, now above the cloud deck.

Soon enough Tupelo was in sight. I was hoping for an approach to runway 36 so that I would have a great view of the aircraft boneyard on the South end of the airport. We ended up making an approach to 18, but luckily we departed on 18 as well. I had to switch sides of the plane, but I got the pictures!

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Turning right downwind for Runway 18 at Tupelo.

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Turning base over US Highway 78.

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On final, runway in sight.

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Short final.

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Pulling off the runway, an ex-Alitalia MD-80 parked (relatively intact still) in the distance.

In Tupelo we took on the largest load I have seen yet on a Silver Saab: 7 passengers boarded (for a total of 9 revenue passengers), a whopping 26% load factor!

While waiting for the new passengers I decided to take a look around the aircraft, taking some pictures of the Silver Airways "slogans" painted on the sides of the engine cowls. While the Saab is certainly a quiet and efficient plane compared to some others, I question the statistical validity of their claims...

I also popped my head into the cockpit for a couple photos. When I asked the captain he backed off at first, assuming I wanted pictures of him. When I explained I was only interested in the plane he was much more welcoming.

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10 dB quieter...than what? I didn't find the Saab to be all that quiet.

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60% less fuel than a 70 seat jet, but 52% fewer seats. That's not saying much...

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Very nice looking flight deck.

Departure was again on Runway 18. Silver seems to depart whichever direction is convenient for their filed route of flight, which I suppose makes sense when the runways are long and the winds are light. Luckily this time we were making a Southerly departure.

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Better look at the boneyard this time.

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Count the planes! I see 3 747s, 3 A330s, a 757-200, a 767-200, an A300, a handful of MD-80s, and about
a dozen 737s.


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Closer look at the widebody row. The 747 on the end is an ex-ANA 747-400D. The 767 was El-Al, the
A330s were with Malaysia, the A300 was Monarch, the rest look to have come from United.


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The MD-80s at left were 2/3 of the REDJet fleet before its bankruptcy, the 737s were from United.

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Left turn on course back to Atlanta.

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Overview of the TUP airport. The city of Tupelo has been building berms around the airport to hide the
scrapping operation.


Service was conducted shortly after reaching cruising altitude. Again orders were taken and the whole beverage cans delivered. With more people to serve this time, drinks were brought out carried on a silver tray (classy).

The drink service came with unfortunate timing though. No sooner had I poured myself a full glass of Ginger Ale that we hit some rather rough air. Deciding that I should drink the soda before it spilled all over, I managed to get the cup to my mouth between bumps. Just as I tilted the cup to drink, we hit quite the down draft, propelling the contents of my cup straight up into my face. While I dried myself off, the pilots descended a couple thousand feet and found some perfectly smooth air for the rest of the flight.

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United branded service this time. Whole can again.

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United cups too.

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Heading into the (very bumpy) clouds.

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From FlightAware, our path through the storms.

Atlanta was still quite cloudy and grey, so there wasn't much to see out the windows on this leg. Eventually (after a dozen confusing twists and turns) we ended up on final for Runway 10 at Atlanta, the far South satellite runway. The landing was uneventful, but we made a taxiway turnoff at what felt like 50 knots, ducking out of the way for yet another Delta MD-88 which was ready to eat up our small Saab.

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Short final for Runway 10 (the far far South one).

A few miles of taxiing later we arrived back at the hard stand where I had departed 18 hours ago. Having the Silver Airlines experience under my belt, I thanked the flight attendants for a couple of great flights, hopped on the bus, and headed home to plan my next EAS small-prop adventure...hopefully next time not full of bumpy air and Southern thunder storms!

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Stepping off the plane. Anyone know what the open port below the cockpit window is?

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On the bus, one last look at the Saab before heading home.




In Conclusion:

Silver Airways: Silver Airways delivered a great product, above and beyond what I had expected. I had purchased my ticket expecting a Georgia Skies-esque cut-rate zero customer service experience. Instead, all of the staff I interacted with had gone out of their way to make the experience pleasant. Despite a couple rough areas, they all seemed genuinely happy about their jobs, a necessity for any good airline. I was slightly disappointed to see abysmal load factors on all segments, but if Silver is managing to turn a profit it certainly makes for a great passenger experience. Based on my short flights, I would say Silver certainly deserved its "best regional carrier" award from Air Transport World, it sure beat the standard Delta Connection or United Express CRJ flight.


Thanks for reading, everyone! Hope you've enjoyed the TR!



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User currently offline767747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1937 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14553 times:
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Great report, on Silver Airways! What an interesting little airline, and it looks pretty good. Nice photos of Greenville as well.

Quoting KPWMSpotter (Thread starter):
As soon as all three of us were on board, the flight attendant came back and distributed miniature water bottles and wished everyone a pleasant flight.

This is quite nice, and definitely a level of service you won't find on any other regional airline I know of ...

Quoting KPWMSpotter (Thread starter):
"Watch your head on the door! Take a seat anywhere you would like, row 9 or further back for weight and balance, thanks!" I made my way back to my previously assigned seat at 10A, but found the window a bit smudged.

This is the thing I notice a lot with regional flights, and the one caveat to being on an empty plane is you often can't sit where you want! My wife and I had to move around on a DEN-ABQ flight back in February when flying UA Express on a Dash 8-400 as the flight was barely 1/4 full.

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User currently offlineazjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3927 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 14421 times:

At Mesaba we called that small hole under the Captain the "whisky hatch." It was used for ventilation and also passing paperwork into and out of the cockpit.

User currently offlinepalmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1223 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 14086 times:

Super report - loved every minute. Thanks for this one. Nice to see a Saab report on Silver. Loving these EAS flights you've done. The Saab is pretty noisy - certainly my experience earlier this year with Rex in Australia on the milk run out to ISA.

Great pics of Greenville too - looks like a once busy town in slow decline. The old railway building looked so cool. I hope they don't knock it down.

Thanks again Palmjet



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User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13771 times:

Gotta love SAAB! You should have asked the pilot to see the infamous NIGHT PANEL button -- the only feature that overlaps between the cars and plane divisions


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User currently offlineLYSflyer From France, joined May 2013, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13749 times:

Very nice report, I kinda love these small lines! Silver Airways website's looks very professionnal!

Regards


User currently offlineKPWMSpotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 445 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13506 times:

Thanks for the comments everyone!

Quoting 767747 (Reply 2):
This is quite nice, and definitely a level of service you won't find on any other regional airline I know of ...

Agreed. Porter and Horizon probably have Silver beat on the service in-flight, but Silver wins hands-down with the one-on-one nature of their service.

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 3):
At Mesaba we called that small hole under the Captain the "whisky hatch." It was used for ventilation and also passing paperwork into and out of the cockpit.

Interesting. Thanks for the info!

Quoting LYSflyer (Reply 6):
Silver Airways website's looks very professionnal!

Yes it does, it's hard to believe that the airline used to be at the bottom of the barrel of regional carriers back when it was Gulfstream International flying seedy B1900s around Florida.



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13506 times:

Great report! I need to get up to PIB one of these days to give them a try.

User currently offlineONT2CGI From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13464 times:

nice report! I'm thinking about a PBG-BOS trip on a PenAir 2000

User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 13343 times:

Love the report. Quite like checking out reports on "smaller" operations. I intend on taking a trip to STT next month and will do a little island hoping. A couple trip reposrts to come.

Quoting KPWMSpotter (Thread starter):
Stepping off the plane. Anyone know what the open port below the cockpit window is?

The ATRs have it too. We used it to pass documents between the flight deck and ramp.



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User currently offlineKPWMSpotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 445 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 13088 times:

Quoting Reply 9):
PBG-BOS trip on a PenAir 2000

I look forward to reading that. I don't think I've seen any reports yet from PenAir's operation in the Northeast. Have they decided to get the 2000? Last I heard, that deal had fallen through and they were just buying up 340s.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 10):
I intend on taking a trip to STT next month and will do a little island hoping. A couple trip reposrts to come.

Sounds like a good trip. There are lots of fun airlines down in the Carribean. I'm working out plans to fly the Islander, Trislander, and Navajo sometime soon.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 10):
The ATRs have it too. We used it to pass documents between the flight deck and ramp.

That makes sense on the ATR, with the cargo hold right behind the cockpit. Seems kind of redundant on the Saab though, with the cabin door right behind the cockpit.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 12859 times:

Quoting KPWMSpotter (Reply 11):
That makes sense on the ATR, with the cargo hold right behind the cockpit. Seems kind of redundant on the Saab though, with the cabin door right behind the cockpit.

UNLESS it's closed  

Someone correct me if i'm wrong but the 340 cockpit windows can't be opened so it makes a bit of sense.



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User currently offlineMSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2474 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 12647 times:

Hello KPWMSpotter

Intereting review, thanks for sharing it with us.
Always interesting to see some off-the beaten path destinations.
Silver airways looks nice and rare equipment around.
Sure beats the standard DL/UA CRJ.

Greetings
Marc



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User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 928 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12562 times:

Hi Kevin. What an outstanding TR! Great to see Silver Airways and also some fascinating little airports. I had no idea there were so many heavies there at TUP even though they are for scrap...what a sight to see!   Thanks for sharing. Cheers, Will


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User currently offlinemucdude From Germany, joined Mar 2012, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12310 times:

Wonderful trip report! I always enjoy the reports about EAS flights to obscure places in the US. Please keep up you 4th of July flying tradition!

mucdude



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User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1944 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12093 times:

Quoting KPWMSpotter (Thread starter):

Awesome report! Very cool to see a small side of aviation like that. I checked the Saab regs, and unfortunately I didn't fly on either of them back in the XJ days. My buddy has been at GLH before, so I'm sure he'd recognize the pictures there.

I'll be traveling to the Delta in a week, but unfortunately it's by car. Won't be far from TUP though, so it's temping to try to get a view of the scrapyard collection.

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 3):
At Mesaba we called that small hole under the Captain the "whisky hatch." It was used for ventilation and also passing paperwork into and out of the cockpit.

One time I was flying XJ from MCW, and I saw the fuel guy hand paperwork to the captain through that hole. It was a little humorous to see.


User currently offlineKPWMSpotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 445 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11552 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 12):
UNLESS it's closed  

Someone correct me if i'm wrong but the 340 cockpit windows can't be opened so it makes a bit of sense.

Ah, yes, that does make sense.

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 14):
I had no idea there were so many heavies there at TUP even though they are for scrap...

Neither did I! The first clue I had was the United 747 tail poking out from behind the terminal...

Quoting mucdude (Reply 15):
Please keep up you 4th of July flying tradition!

I plan on it! Actually, my next EAS trip should be much sooner: I just booked a trip out to Liberal, Kansas (via Denver and Dodge City) on Great Lakes' Beechcraft 1900D in September. Apparently Liberal is home to the 4th largest air museum in the US, and it's a city I had never heard of before: it should be a fun trip report.



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User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3770 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11502 times:

Great TR! I've seen Silver's Saabs at ATL a few times and had wondered about their service & operation, so it was a pleasant surprise to find your report.

Quoting KPWMSpotter (Thread starter):
The cockpit emptied for a couple minutes while the pilots called dispatch between segments.

What's the panel that appears to be a video screen above the FA jumpseat in this picture? From a distance, it almost looks like it's showing some sort of GPS.

Quoting KPWMSpotter (Thread starter):
Looks like a typical safety card to me.

Looks like a DELTA safety card in Silver clothing to me! I've heard of planes being re-painted, but not safety cards!  



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7174 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10862 times:

Quoting KPWMSpotter (Thread starter):

FYI. Silver Airways just linked your trip report to their Facebook Page.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=491602550926973&set=pb.201193143301250.-2207520000.1374162483.&type=3&theater



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User currently offlineKPWMSpotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 445 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10719 times:

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 18):

What's the panel that appears to be a video screen above the FA jumpseat in this picture? From a distance, it almost looks like it's showing some sort of GPS.

It's the flight attendant control panel. There are buttons along the right side for all of the different recorded announcements. I pulled up the full size version of that shot, it looks like there's just a text document displayed on the screen (maybe the welcome aboard message script?), it was just grey for the rest of the flight.

Quoting flymia (Reply 19):
FYI. Silver Airways just linked your trip report to their Facebook Page.

Thanks for the heads up! All publicity is good publicity, I suppose.



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User currently offlineSouthernDC9 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3151 times:

Wow, I never thought I would see a GLH trip report! IIRC, the casinos were introduced in the early 90s, right when I graduated and headed off to college. They were sold as the way to rebuild the city and bring in tons of tourists, but they have been quite a flop - mainly they've just sucked money out of the local economy and hurt existing businesses. The MS Delta in general is a wasteland and a shadow of it's former self - I loved growing up there, and it is heartbreaking to see it now in its current state.

That said, Doe's Eat Place in Greenville is probably one of the best steakhouses in the country, and it is quite an experience - wish you could have checked it out while you were there.

Also, the water is still hideously brown - a Facebook friend recently posted a shot of their just-filled-for-the-summer swimming pool before the water was treated. It looked sort of like the blood-out-of-the-elevator scene from The Shining.



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