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Virgin Australia, Business Class: Sydney To Uluru  
User currently offlineknightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1826 posts, RR: 19
Posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12620 times:

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Airline: Virgin Australia
Aircraft:
Boeing B 737-800
Cabin:
Business Class
Seat:
1A
From:
Sydney
To:
Ayers Rock - Uluru
Date:
15. August 2013
Departure:
10:00
Arrival:
13:15

GETTING TO THE AIRPORT

The transfer in Sydney could not be easier, even if, like me, you’re connecting from a Qantas flight to a Virgin Australia service. As you come out of customs turn left and keep on going to the far end of the arrivals concourse. That’s where Virgin have their transfer desks. At check-in you will receive your boarding pass and a voucher that gives you a free ride on the airport shuttle between the international and the domestic terminal.

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The journey takes about 10 minutes to complete.

CHECK-IN

I would recommend to anybody to do check-in at the international terminal, as the domestic terminal is packed when I arrive, with the queues moving only very slowly.

THE LOUNGE

The Virgin lounge is located on the right hand side as you come out of security. It’s really quite a funky and attractive lounge. But alas it’s also quite busy, so I have to restrain myself with the picture taking.

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BOARDING

Boarding starts on time, with an initial call for passengers in Business Class and passengers requiring assistance. So I grab the opportunity to board first and take at least one picture of the cabin before the pushing and shoving fully sets in.

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I am greeted at the door by two very friendly flight attendants, and I am quite impressed that they check the boarding pass of every passenger and make a point of addressing them by name to welcome them aboard.

THE CABIN

The cabin of this B 737-800 is decked out with the new interior, which features what I call the triple seven style overhead bins. There is a dedicated Business Class cabin of two rows, which is separated from the main cabin by a bulkhead with a violet coloured glass screen. After take-off the Business Class cabin is cordoned off to ensure there are no Economy Class trespassers availing themselves of the toilet up front.

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For inflight entertainment there is a tablet in every seat pocket, with a selection of films and music, and a rather funky looking set of earphones.

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SERVICE

Service begins with a welcome drink while we’re still on the ground. There is a choice of orange juice or still water.

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DEPARTURE

We leave the gate more or less on time. There is, however, a slight delay for departure, as we have to wait for a whole line up of widebodies to depart ahead of us. Once we do take-off, the views are simply spectacular.

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THE MEAL

Once we’re airborne, the cabin crew come to take orders for drinks and the main meal. I have a Coke Zero, which is served with a small ramekin of spicy warm nuts.

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The meal is served in two parts. The first course is a very tasty cauliflower soup. This is served with warm bread. The tray arrives with a small dish of butter, salt and pepper and the dessert already on it.

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For the main I go with the salad of beetroot, spinach and Feta cheese with a raspberry dressing, which is indeed very tasty and blends in perfectly with the Virgin brand colours.

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And then to end, I tackle the dessert – black forest gâteau – with a cup of coffee. And after that, I start to dose off. You can hardly blame me I think…

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ARRIVAL

At some point the lead flight attendant comes on the blower to inform us that we are about to begin the descent into Uluru. Without wanting to put too fine a point on it, I have, in the past, been accused of talking too much. There are however some rare occasions when even I am lost for words and left simply speechless – like today. It really catches you quite unawares. Suddenly, seemingly out of nowhere Uluru appears before my eyes and it is truly magnificent.

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CONCLUSION

I am writing this part of my journey from my ‘tent’ at the Longitude 131 hotel. When I look up I have an unobstructed view of Uluru – and I still can’t fully grasp that I am finally here. It is like experiencing a dreamtime.

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User currently offlineairbear From Australia, joined May 2001, 648 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12339 times:

HI and welcome if this is your first time in Oz. Nice report... glad to hear you enjoyed VA's service (my domestic airline of choice...) and enjoy Uluru. It's been a long time since I was there.
All the best, Airbear


User currently offlineSR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1740 posts, RR: 38
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12048 times:

Thanks for a great trip report! As you know I am quite the fan of Virgin Australia, especially after my last flight with them. It looks like you had had a pleasant trip with them.

In all honesty I am quite surprised to see the meal was quite nice, better than I was expecting. The view before landing look quite good.

Quoting knightsofmalta (Thread starter):
I am writing this part of my journey from my ‘tent’ at the Longitude 131 hotel.

Longitude has been on my list for quite some time. Hopefully I can get to it one day. Hope you are enjoying your stay there.


User currently offlineFlyingRoo82 From Australia, joined Aug 2012, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11816 times:

Great trip report and thanks for posting. VA domestic business is great - the refurb interior of the 737 is very nice. Enjoy Uluru - that's definitely on my list of places to visit.

User currently offlinelychemsa From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1203 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11489 times:

I flew to Alice Springs in 1986 on Ansett. I don't think there was an airport at Uluru.

I did not think it was worthwhile going all the way to see this "rock."

And I was too scared to climb it when I saw a "warning sign" that people have fallen off the rock and died.

Did you climb it?


User currently offlineMSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2474 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10900 times:

Hi William

Nice report, thanks for sharing.
Seems like Virgin has undergone alot of changes, like the colors of the new J cabin (and having a dedicated J cabin as well)

Greetings
Marc



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User currently offlineknightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1826 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 10324 times:

Hi airbear

Quoting airbear (Reply 1):
HI and welcome if this is your first time in Oz

Thanks, I think this is my fifth visit. Oz is just such a fascinating place, it keeps me coming back.

Quoting airbear (Reply 1):
Nice report... glad to hear you enjoyed VA's service (my domestic airline of choice...) and enjoy Uluru. It's been a long time since I was there.

Thanks, Uluru is really awe inspiring. Today we drove right up to the rock. It takes your breath away. The interesting thing about it is that the lack of reference makes it impossible to assess how high it is or how far away from it you are.

Hi SR 103

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 2):
In all honesty I am quite surprised to see the meal was quite nice, better than I was expecting. The view before landing look quite good.

I rather liked the meal. The presentation was good and it tasted quite good. There was also a warm option for the main course, which looked rather nice. I think it was short ribs with polenta. But that just seemed a bit too heavy in my jet lagged state.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 2):
Longitude has been on my list for quite some time. Hopefully I can get to it one day. Hope you are enjoying your stay there.

I can definitely recommend the Longitude. The staff are all really nice and take good care of you. It's very laid back and the food is divine! Yesterday we had dinner under the starts. It was so beautiful, with a moonlit sky and the stars dancing.

Hi FlyingRoo82

Quoting FlyingRoo82 (Reply 3):
VA domestic business is great - the refurb interior of the 737 is very nice.

Well that explains a few things. The first thing that struck me when I boarded the plane was just how new it looked and felt. So I'm assuming that previously Virgin did not have a dedicated Business Class seat/cabin?

Quoting FlyingRoo82 (Reply 3):
Enjoy Uluru - that's definitely on my list of places to visit.

Thanks! How can you not enjoy this place? Might I perhaps suggest you move it to the top of the list?

Hi Lychemsa

Quoting lychemsa (Reply 4):
I flew to Alice Springs in 1986 on Ansett. I don't think there was an airport at Uluru.

From what I understand the current airport is rather new. Previously there was just an airstrip for small aircraft that was located closer to the rock. The location was moved so as not to cause further damage from pollution.

Quoting lychemsa (Reply 4):
I did not think it was worthwhile going all the way to see this "rock."

Admittedly, it is a very long way to come. But as far as I'm concerned it's definitely worth while. It's just like nothing else I've ever seen.

Quoting lychemsa (Reply 4):
And I was too scared to climb it when I saw a "warning sign" that people have fallen off the rock and died.

Nowadays people are discouraged from climbing the rock out of respect for the indigenous people, for whom it is a sacred place. Apparently, at the latest be 2020 it should be prohibited by law to go up. Personally I think that's a right move. Just as an example, in Malta, where I come from, tourists are not allowed to enter St. John's cathedral in shorts or bikini tops so as not to insult the locals.

Hi Marc

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 5):
Seems like Virgin has undergone alot of changes, like the colors of the new J cabin (and having a dedicated J cabin as well)

I fully agree. The new livery is certainly very stylish and a far cry from the carrier's humble beginnings as a low cost carrier. I suspect they must be giving Qantas quite a run for their money.

Thanks to all for taking the time to comment. I greatly appreciate it.

Cheers,
William


User currently offlinepalmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1223 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 10008 times:

Hi William

Great report - thanks very much for this one too. I am working my way through your other ones as well in this latest series.

Nice to see you had a decent flight with Virgin. Yes, they have certainly come a long way since 2000 when I first started flying with them between Brisbane and Melbourne on those ex Virgin Express 734s!

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From what I understand the current airport is rather new. Previously there was just an airstrip for small aircraft that was located closer to the rock. The location was moved so as not to cause further damage from pollution.

I remember the airport being on the map in the mid 80s for sure - I'll check my East West timetable from that period as I am sure they flew to this airport back then.

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I did not think it was worthwhile going all the way to see this "rock."

What a strange and baseless comment. It's one of the world's natural wonders and remains an extremely spiritual place for the indigenous peoples of the area. If you're travelling to Australia, it's unlikely that you would go "all the way" just to see Uluru and not do anything else. The fact that it's in the middle of the continent makes it more special with the beautiful light that part of the country gets in the mornings and evenings. There are also lots of walks and drives you can do in the area to get a good appreciation of the place. Great that you got to see it!

Thanks Palmjet



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User currently offlineknightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1826 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9414 times:

Hi Palmjet

Quoting palmjet (Reply 7):
Great report - thanks very much for this one too. I am working my way through your other ones as well in this latest series.

Thanks, my pleasure. I hope you enjoy the other reports. There may be a few more to come...

Quoting palmjet (Reply 7):
Nice to see you had a decent flight with Virgin. Yes, they have certainly come a long way since 2000 when I first started flying with them between Brisbane and Melbourne on those ex Virgin Express 734s!

I'm not really sure what it is about Virgin Australia, but I just like the brand. There's something very fresh about the airline, especially compared to Qantas. QF are all right, but somehow they just seem a bit old fashioned.

Quoting palmjet (Reply 7):
I remember the airport being on the map in the mid 80s for sure - I'll check my East West timetable from that period as I am sure they flew to this airport back then.

You mean the old one or already the new one? Yesterday I was talking to one of the rangers and she said the old place was a nightmare to land on, especially in the summer. The close proximity to the rock meant very severe wind conditions as a result of the heat it radiated.

Thanks for taking the time to comment.


User currently offlineknightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1826 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9412 times:

My posts normally include pictures of airlines and aircraft at some stage. And perhaps some of you may wonder what on earth the attraction is for me in spending hours on end in a metal tube careening through the sky. Of course, I confess freely that I really do enjoy flying for the sake of flying. More than anything though, it's the places the aircraft take me to that matter, places like Uluru.

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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6811 posts, RR: 77
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9277 times:

Hi William,

and another nice one with very nice destination pictures. Btw - the lounge picture with dark interiors and shiny tails in the background looks stunning.

Virgin Australia's domestic Business Class product looks quite impressive.

Quoting knightsofmalta (Thread starter):
I have a Coke Zero, which is served with a small ramekin of spicy warm nuts.

Good idea to serve spicy nuts.


PH



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User currently offline767747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1939 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9119 times:
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Hi, William

Nice to see a report about Virgin Australia's J product. I'm impressed with their high level of food quality; meal looks really good, especially that salad! Definitely a nice option when traveling within Australia.

Thanks for sharing! Looking forward to your return journey.

Matthew


User currently offlinereifel From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 1361 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8849 times:

Great little report, nice to read about an exotic airline for me. The service looks pretty good for an internal hop. Never seen a glass bulkhead before, and to be honest I am not fan... Having a real visual barriere between business and coach is actually making you feel to travel in a much more intimate atmosphere.

User currently offlineRogerbcn From Andorra, joined Sep 2006, 1209 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8555 times:

Hola William!

Excellenbt report as usual on this VA flight.

VA looks really different to all the other ailrines around, their love for color and the distinctive way of setting their planes and it makes the flying experience much more fun.

Nice to know they have set up this connecting desk at the international terminal, but I am sure it is not worth for tight connections, luggage wise; in YVR, AC has the same thing and it has happened to me several times that you make it to your destination but your luggage arrives later.

Love the plane interior and the food they gave you looks really nice for this domestic flight.

Absoultely astonishing pictures of the Uluru landscapes, great skies and amazing colors.

Salut!

Roger



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User currently offlineflyforever From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8296 times:

Ciao William,
very nice trip report. When I read trip report about places far away from the big cities I wonder why people don't try their best to take a picture of the sky night time. I would guess you can see an infinite number of stars. I'm not an expert in photography so there is a huge possibility I said a big Bul...

flyforever


User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 965 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8229 times:

Nice TR - interesting comparison to my QF economy flight out there a couple of years ago!

And the location is hard to explain - expensive to get there, expensive to stay, but unlike anything else I've ever experienced. And weird in that it was poring with rain most of the time we were there.

Are you heading to the Alice?


User currently offlineknightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1826 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8198 times:

Hi Udo

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 10):
Btw - the lounge picture with dark interiors and shiny tails in the background looks stunning.

Thanks, I'm quite happy with the outcome of that one too. Especially seeing as the terminal was crawling with people at the time and it was hard to get a clean shot without too many heads obstructing the view.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 10):
Good idea to serve spicy nuts.

Yeah, they were tasty. Perhaps a bit unusual for breakfast, but by this time my inner clock was entirely screwed up anyway.

Hi Matthew

Quoting 767747 (Reply 11):
I'm impressed with their high level of food quality; meal looks really good, especially that salad! Definitely a nice option when traveling within Australia.

I think so. Although from what I've heard, since the advent of Virgin Qantas have done a lot to improve their service up front as well.

Quoting 767747 (Reply 11):
Looking forward to your return journey.

I'm working on it, including a detour.

Hi Reifel

Quoting reifel (Reply 12):
Never seen a glass bulkhead before, and to be honest I am not fan... Having a real visual barriere between business and coach is actually making you feel to travel in a much more intimate atmosphere.

It was okay with the glass divider. What I found worse was that they have the Business Class section cordoned off from Economy, which just felt weird.

Hi Roger

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 13):
their love for color and the distinctive way of setting their planes and it makes the flying experience much more fun.

I think that sums it up nicely. Virgin just feel more vibrant and fun, while Qantas is more old school. Of course I think boh have their merits. Possibly the Qantas experience is more polished.

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 13):
Nice to know they have set up this connecting desk at the international terminal, but I am sure it is not worth for tight connections, luggage wise; in YVR, AC has the same thing and it has happened to me several times that you make it to your destination but your luggage arrives later.

Well, I made sure I had three hours to make the connection, otherwise I think I would have been seriously worried.

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 13):
Absoultely astonishing pictures of the Uluru landscapes, great skies and amazing colors.

Uluru is an amazing place. The colours are magical.

Hi flyover

Quoting flyforever (Reply 14):
very nice trip report. When I read trip report about places far away from the big cities I wonder why people don't try their best to take a picture of the sky night time. I would guess you can see an infinite number of stars. I'm not an expert in photography so there is a huge possibility I said a big Bul...

You're quite right. The stars at night were truly amazing. In Switzerland we never have a night sky like that. Either because it's too hazy in the summer or because it's overcast in the winter. But I think I would have needed a better camera for night shots.

Hi Kent350787

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 15):
And the location is hard to explain - expensive to get there, expensive to stay, but unlike anything else I've ever experienced. And weird in that it was poring with rain most of the time we were there.

Yes, Uluru is hard to explain. One way or another, I think I shall always remember it.

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 15):
Are you heading to the Alice?

Only to change planes on my way to Adelaide.

Thanks to all of you for taking the time to comment.

Cheers,
William


User currently offlineSultanils From Belgium, joined Mar 2010, 1721 posts, RR: 30
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7901 times:
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Hello once again knightsofmalta!

Excellent review on Virgin Australia! Going on holiday and live your dreams in full is an experience to cherish. I’m glad you had a great time visiting Uluru. I’ve been there in 2000 and found it to be a magical place, if not on the touristy side 

Quoting knightsofmalta (Thread starter):
and a voucher that gives you a free ride on the airport shuttle between the international and the domestic terminal.

I remember taking a transfer bus as well back in the days, it was airside and quite a cool ride. I was transfering from a KLM flight to an Ansett flight. Both services are already gone unfortunately...

Quoting knightsofmalta (Thread starter):
they check the boarding pass of every passenger and make a point of addressing them by name to welcome them aboard.

That’s very professional and personal.

Quoting knightsofmalta (Thread starter):
which is separated from the main cabin by a bulkhead with a violet coloured glass screen.

The cabin looks really fresh, modern and funky  

Sultanils



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User currently offlineknightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1826 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7721 times:

Hi Nils

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 17):
Going on holiday and live your dreams in full is an experience to cherish.

It certainly is. And I think all who have that opportunity should consider themselves lucky.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 17):
I’m glad you had a great time visiting Uluru. I’ve been there in 2000 and found it to be a magical place, if not on the touristy side

Perhaps it was just the time of the year, but I didn't find the tourists that bad. There were quite a few by the sunset viewing area, but even there it wasn't too bad.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 17):
I remember taking a transfer bus as well back in the days, it was airside and quite a cool ride. I was transfering from a KLM flight to an Ansett flight. Both services are already gone unfortunately...

If I understood the announcement on the plane correctly, if I'd been connecting onto a Qantas flight in Sydney that would have been an airside transfer.

Thanks for taking the time to comment Nils.

Cheers,
William


User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 965 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7655 times:

Quoting knightsofmalta (Reply 18):
If I understood the announcement on the plane correctly, if I'd been connecting onto a Qantas flight in Sydney that would have been an airside transfer.

Yes, QF transfers are airside. All others are landside, by either bus or train depending on your airline and ticketing. It's a pity YSSY dropped its airside tours a few years ago.....


User currently offlineknightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1826 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7389 times:

Hi Kent350787

I'm just wondering about the QF airside transfer between terminals. Is there a tunnel or does the bus pass under the approach?

Cheers,
William


User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 965 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7371 times:

Quoting knightsofmalta (Reply 20):
I'm just wondering about the QF airside transfer between terminals. Is there a tunnel or does the bus pass under the approach?

William - the bus passes between the international cargo ramp and 16R/34L western taxiway, then underneath the approach on the perimeter, before heading back south to T3.

Cheers, Kent


User currently offlineadamspotter From Netherlands, joined Feb 2011, 1161 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7081 times:
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Hi again William!

First of all, once again a nice report you made here!
Second of all, let me get this straight.. You travel from BSL to LHR in C, then take BA F overnight LHR-NRT, rest a couple of hours in a hotel before taking QF J overnight down to SYD where you straight away take Virgin to Uluru.. All this without getting some "real" sleep in a "real" bed for 2 nights! You must have been exhausted once finally getting to Uluru!
Nevertheless Virgin Australias J looks quite nice here. the cabin looks lovely.
Great destination pictures of Uluru as well! Must be great to be there and not have to think about work for a change  
Quoting knightsofmalta (Thread starter):
But alas it’s also quite busy, so I have to restrain myself with the picture taking.

That pictures with the dark terminal interior and those bright shiny tails is amazing!

Till the next one!

cheers,

Brendan


User currently offlineknightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1826 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6971 times:

Hi Kent350787

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 21):
William - the bus passes between the international cargo ramp and 16R/34L western taxiway, then underneath the approach on the perimeter, before heading back south to T3.

Good to know for next time, thanks. Sounds like it might be rather a fun transfer to have to make!

Hi Brendan

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 22):
Second of all, let me get this straight.. You travel from BSL to LHR in C, then take BA F overnight LHR-NRT, rest a couple of hours in a hotel before taking QF J overnight down to SYD where you straight away take Virgin to Uluru.. All this without getting some "real" sleep in a "real" bed for 2 nights! You must have been exhausted once finally getting to Uluru!

Well, first of all I've always been a light sleeper I guess. Ever since I was a kid, I've been quite okay with only a few hours of sleep during the night. It, or rather I, used to drive my mum insane when I was a kid and still lived at home. Secondly, I did manage about six hours on the BA flight, which is rather a lot by my standards.

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 22):
Must be great to be there and not have to think about work for a change

Total bliss. The best part though was the silence. Really quite amazing and so peaceful.

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 22):
That pictures with the dark terminal interior and those bright shiny tails is amazing!

Yeah thanks, I'm rather chuffed with that one myself!

Thanks for commenting guys!

Cheers,
William


User currently offlinevirtual From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5373 times:

Very enjoyable trip report, and great photos. The combination of the new Sky Interior on the 737-800 and Virgin's nice seating is really impressive. Wish the low cost carriers here in Europe were more like that!

User currently offlineknightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1826 posts, RR: 19
Reply 25, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4527 times:

Hi Virtual

Thanks for dropping in. I'm glad you enjoyed the report. I agree with you that it would be nice for the European carriers to appear less 'frugal'. Although the comparison probably isn't quite fair, there's nothing really very low cost about Virgin Australia, except perhaps that their fares are cheaper. Other than that though, their premium product at least is certainly very good.

Cheers,
William


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