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FRA-STN-FRA: You Don't Need An MBA To Choose Buzz!  
User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2905 posts, RR: 21
Posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4023 times:

Six weeks ago, I found out that Buzz had special offers, FRA-STN-FRA for 16.29€ plus taxes (58€ incl. taxes). I booked that flight immediately, as a same-day return trip on 09 October 2002.

I left home at 06:00 to take the commuter train to Stuttgart, then the ICE train to Mannheim and from there an IC train to Frankfurt Airport, where I arrived at 08:10.

09 October 2002
Scheduled time of departure: 10:10
Scheduled time of arrival: 10:50

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I took the Skyline to Terminal 2 and went to the Buzz check-in. Two counters were opened, but no passengers at all. To be honest, I had no idea what to expect from Buzz, I thought as a low-cost airline they would not have seat assignments (at least Ryanair does not). So I was surprised when the lady asked me where I want to sit - I chose a window seat in the very last row, 20A. As there were no other passengers, I thought "Let's ask a few questions!", what aircraft type (BAe146 or B737), registration, number of passengers booked, inbound-delay, ... unfortunately neither she nor her colleague could answer me even one of those questions. But at least I knew that it would be a BAe146 - the 733 has more than 20 rows. - I got my boarding pass (security number 018), boarding time was 09:20, and I decided to go directly to the gate, D4.

Passport control went fast. And having put all my keys, coins, mobile phone etc. into my rucksack, the security control went fast, too. I put my keys, coins, mobile phone etc. back into my trouser pocket. Little did I know that there was an additional security control in front of gate D4, oh yes, nowadays British and US-American airlines need additional security... Having passed this second security control, I found out that the waiting lounge of gate D4 was still closed(!), at FRA the gate agent opens the boarding lounge - when he arrives, a few minutes before boarding starts. So I decided to sit down in front of gate D6, where I met a young lady who also flew Buzz FRA-STN. She told me that she's having a connecting flight on Ryanair from Stansted to Stockholm, but she has 5 hours connecting time at STN. Sabena332/Patrick, if you read this: This is what I call an appropriate connecting time on low-cost airlines  Big grin

At 09:50 we watched G-BTTP landing, so we thought "Damn, this flight is going to be delayed!" We were surprised that boarding started at 09:55, and at 10:02 we were bussed (or should I say buzzed?) out to the aircraft which was parked on a remote stand. I took the rear airstairs of G-BTTP and went directly to my seat 20A. There were very few passengers on this flight (I counted 32), so boarding was completed quickly, but we had to wait because of a slot. At 10:28 we finally pushed back, taxied towards the south part of FRA, along the USAF base and Cargo City Süd, and then towards runway 18. But we didn't use the full length of runway 18, when we entered the runway I saw a sign saying "S18 - remaining runway length: 2735m" - more than enough for a BAe146. At 10:53 we were airborne into FRA's blue sky.

Meal service started a few minutes later. As always when I go spotting, I had a 1.5 liter bottle of Pepsi in my rucksack, so I didn't order anything to drink, but I had a "Chocolate Fudge Cake" for 2.70€ (or 1.50GBP), which was really delicious. The cabin crew (three women) was nice and friendly. Looking out of the window, I saw the city of Brussels - strange, it's at least the 20th time that I see Brussels from high altitude (28,000ft), but I have actually been to Brussels only once. I should visit BRU again soon! Then we passed the Channel, and started approach into STN.

We landed at 11:05 local time. A few moments after touch-down, I saw a Saudia Lockheed Hercules (HZ-116) parked at STN, still in the old coloursheme. At 11:09 we were on-block and walked to the arrival hall. I didn't have any baggage checked-in, so I went directly through the very quick passport control.

Spotting at STN
Capt.Picard (the a.net user) wanted to meet me at the bookshop, but he wasn't there yet so i decided to leave the terminal building to watch the aircraft parked at the cargo area: a Global Supply B747-400F, an Atlas Air B747-400F, a Channel Express A300F and a UPS B767-300F. Having returned to our meeting point, Capt.Picard was already waiting for me. We left the terminal building again to watch the other part of the tarmac, saw many GO 733s, Ryanair 738s and 732s, Buzz 143s and 733s, two European 732s and one Air Berlin 734.
We went back to the bookshop again to meet Ikarus at 13:30. Neither Capt.Picard nor I had met Ikarus before, but when we saw someone sending a text message, and a few seconds later Capt.Picard's rucksack started to ring, we knew that this must be Ikarus.
I noticed that Ikarus had a little accent, but I didn't think about it. Just when he told me about his family in Germany, I found out that he's German! Hey Ikarus, the eMails we had written each other, why did we write those in English  Confused I had no idea that you're German!
STN does not offer many good spotting areas, so we decided to take a bus towards Stansted House (or something like that). We passed a good spotting point near the approach, but unfortunately there was no bus stop, and we simply didn't have the time to walk back to that point. At least we saw some stored aircraft there: Something that looked like the remains of the prototype of the BAE146  Crying wings, tail etc were missing so it was hard to tell. An ex-Celtic L-1011. And: G-AWZU, ex-BA Trident:

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Time was passing away so quickly, it was already time to take the next bus back to the airport. But all in all, I had written down 68 registrations withing 4 hours, and STN is really worth a visit.

09 October 2002
Scheduled time of departure: 16:35
Scheduled time of arrival: 19:10

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Once again there was no queue in front of the check-in desk. But I was already late, when I checked in at ~15:30 there were no window seats left. I got 14E (a middle seat), I had security number 083 printed on my boarding pass, and when I asked her, the lady told me that they expected about 100 passengers.
I said goodbye to Capt.Picard and Ikarus, went through passport control and a very strict security control, took the airport train to the Buzz gates (gate number: 37) and arrived there at 15:55. Boarding time was 15:45, and I already saw the signs "FINAL CALL!" so I feared that I was late - but of course they had not even started boarding yet, it took another 15 minutes until they started. Then finally they started boarding, this time with a jetway. 14E was my seat, the lack of row 13 caused a little confusion, some passengers sat in the wrong row. With 100 passengers, boarding took quite a while. At 16:40 boarding was finally completed, push-back started at 16:47, and we took off at 16:57.
I know that the seat-pitch aboard low-cost airlines is quite little. But I never had a problem with that on Ryanair. The problem when flying Buzz is not the seat pich, but the seat width. A middle-seat in a 6-abreast BAe146 is really uncomfortable! And the gentleman on 14F read his much to huge newspaper during the whole flight, so that I didn't have any view outside.
When meal service started, I was so hungry, I searched the inflight magazine for the biggest meal they had. Btw, on the first page of this magazine, the Buzz boss wrote as a headline for his welcoming: You don't need an MBA to choose Buzz!" Puuuh, good luck for me  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Oh yes, but I was still hungry, so I ordered the big "Pasta-tomato- mozzarella-paprika- and-something-else- I-forgot-salad" for 5.40€. I know it's expensive, but it was a really big portion, it tasted delicious, and I didn't have any British pounds with me so I didn't buy anything to eat the whole day, I was really hungry.
Then the cabin crew disapperaed in the galley, all passengers had to keep their empty plates with them, until a few minutes before landing they finally came around to collect those empty plates.

We touched town on runway 07L at 19:04 and taxied to our remote parking position where we arived at 19:10, on-time! We were bussed to the arrival hall. Out of the bus, I saw PP-VOL, a Varig B767-300 in old colours! I had no idea that those old colours still exist! - Passport control took really long, only two counters for 100 passengers.

Having finally passed, I took the Skyline to Terminal 1, walked to the station in order to get my train at 19:57. But this train was delayed 10 minutes, so I didn't get my train connection at Mannheim, so I had to wait 55 minutes there, and another 25 minutes at Stuttgart, so I arrived at home at 23.15. The end of a nice spotting trip.

Special thanks to Capt.Picard and Ikarus for taking the time to meet me at STN. Chatting and spotting with you was really fun, it was a great afternoon! What a pity that you can't join us on our DUB-trip in December!

This was my Buzz trip report, I hope you liked it. Any comments, questions, additions are always welcome.

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User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3972 times:

Hey, nice report! I agree we had too little time, which was a pity!

Warum haben wir Englisch geschrieben und gesprochen? Das erste E-mail von Dir war in Englisch, also hab ich in Englisch geantwortet... und am Flughafen hast Du mich in Englisch angesprochen. Und da ich eh in London lebe (seit 3 Jahren) denke ich sowieso automatisch in Englisch - fuer mich macht es keinen Unterschied, ob ich Deutsch oder Englisch rede...

Anyway. If you guys do a LTN-DUB-LTN trip in mid- to late January, let me know. I'd be happy to join.

But as I said - December looks likely to be one helluva busy time for me...



User currently offlineMighluss From Spain, joined Oct 2001, 988 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3952 times:


I didn't know that any low-cost airline operates Bae-146!

I'm looking for take a flight in one of this with a friend, so may be we organize a "Let's fly Bae-146 tour"... who knows!

Great trip report!


User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3943 times:

It was a pleasure to meet both you and Ikarus, at least we all now know the 'only' great place to watch those aircraft glide in.  Big grin

When you get your taxi in December, just tell the driver to go to 'Stansted House' (yes, that's the place, you remembered it perfectly).

Three things I like about Buzz....their livery (looks like they dunked their aircraft in a huge pot of yellow paint! I think it's quite cool.)

Their seat assignments (I don't like fighting to get a window seat with Ryanair).

The food/drinks....proper cafetiere coffee, and good snacks (such as the 'sushi lunchbox')...even though you have to pay.

By the way....we spotted 2 Air Berlin's (1 737-400, 1 737-800) which was quite exciting, and their ticket sales desk is already open...when I walked over there, they were already checking-in a flight for Munster....I picked up all their leaflets and 'Flugplan', but it's all in German which doesn't really make sense if they want British people to obtain reasonable information!

A great day though!


p.s. oh, I forgot, good trip report too!  Big thumbs up

User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2905 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3938 times:

Thanks for you comments, guys! Indeed, seat assignments are helpful, but not if they assign you a middle seat - you can be sure, without seat assignments I would have fought for my window seat  Big grin The food tasted better than Ryanair's, and if I remember correctly it was not more expensive than Ryanair's.

Two small corrections I have to make: The stored L-1011 was ex-Classic Air, of course NOT ex-Celtic. And our runway for landing at FRA was 07R, not 07L.

User currently offlineB737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3908 times:

Hi Alex,

nice report you gave us there.
I really should fly on one of those LCC one day, too.

Talk to you soon.

User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3899 times:

Nice trip report, I didn't know they have such kind of low fares for same-day return trips.

Btw, PP-VOL was chosen to be Varig's retrojet. It will remain in the old color scheme for that reason.


User currently offlineShamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3868 times:

Great trip report Ndebele!

I flew on board G-UKHP on 7th July 2001 SXF-STN. I agree with you that the seat width is cramped on the Buzz BAe 146 - the aircraft was designed for 2-3 seating but many operaters have now put in 3-3. What did you think of the takeoff performence of the 146? I had expected something very powerful put it was actually quite slow when I went on one - I doubt full thrust was used.


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3829 times:

Hi Alex,

an excellent trip report as usual, I enjoyed reading very much. Now I am looking forward to my Buzz flight in December.


User currently offlineSpotterboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3836 times:

I only can agree with you all. Buzz is really nice to fly. I've had a flight last year between London-STN and Brest (at the North-West end of France) with one of their BAe's. Really nice. Good and effecient service (okay , not for free but anyway...)

I'd also fly Ryanair B 738 on Salzburg (Austria) to STN ... not so good in my opinion.
Also very nice is EasyJet. I've flown 'em on Nice - Paris-CDG with B 737-700.
I'd especially love the ''self seating'' very much...

Who's the first in the plane, can get the seat he wanted to have... bad for the last passengers...

User currently offlineContact Air From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 1154 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3761 times:

Hello Ndebele,

nice trip-report! I'm glad you enjoyed your trip to Stansted. As you know, I also always enjoy visiting British airports.

By the way, if Buzz gives out assigned seats, wasn't it possible to ckeck in
in the morning at FRA already for the return flight in the evening, or at least to reserve a seat?

Greetings from my holiday in Malta,


User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2905 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3739 times:

Shamrock_747, indeed I was not very impressed by the take-off performance of the BAe146. Even on FRA-STN with only ~30 passengers, the climbrate was not so good, watching all those Buzz 146s taking off from STN showed me again that they don't climb very fast - but it must be a Buzz procedure, because e.g. SN's BAe/ARJs take off much faster. Oh yes, and I can't say anything about the climbrate on STN-FRA, because as already mentioned, the English passenger on the window seat read his huge newspaper, even during take-off, so I didn't have any view outside.

So PP-VOL is Varig's retrojet. Thanks, Udo. And I really already wondered why there are still old Varig colours around - btw I like this old Varig sheme very much! If only Lufthansa could paint one of their 744s in the old livery  Big thumbs up Won't happen  Sad

Contact Air, no for any reason a return check-in was not possible. Maybe it was only because the lady at FRA didn't know how, or maybe they use different computer programs at FRA and STN, or... I don't know. Enjoy your holiday!

User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 31
Reply 12, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3725 times:

>>>If only Lufthansa could paint one of their 744s in the old livery

I had silently hoped for an D-AIBA to be repainted (after all, Star Allaince has grown a bit since the livery was implemented). I´d have loved to see this

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livery on an A340 for LH´s 75th birthday in 2001.

Oh well, maybe for the 100th birthday in 2026, or LH2´s 50th birthday in 2005. One should start a campaign...

Daniel Smile

User currently offlineGodbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2753 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

I noticed that Ikarus had a little accent, but I didn't think about it. Just when he told me about his family in Germany, I found out that he's German!
Well Alex you should have asked me and I could have told you. By the way ask Ikarus what he can say about Siegen...  Big thumbs up
I was lucky to meet Ikarus at LHR back in September. I hope we'll have the chance again someday.

I really enjoyed your trip report, you have done an exellent job on it! I'm glad that I have booked a flight on Buzz in December and I can experience them for myself. I do also hope that they will send an BAe-146 to do our flight as I will see enough 737's from the inside on that trip...

Chances for LH to go retro are very slim. The reason is that the european majors (LH, AF, BA,...) used to be state owned and thus very expensive and offered a product which wasn't really appreciated by too many (just compare prices...) and so after they left the protection of the state they needed an update to get free from their reputation. So by painting an airplane in a retro look they would work in the opposite direction. Me personally would also love to see an A340 in that old LH livery but I dobt it will ever happen.


User currently offlineAstrojet From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 565 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3633 times:

Very nice report to read. That was a really low fare! I bet the rail ticket was close or more than this. May be, I can have my first BAe-146 flight next December (NUE-MUC) but it´s not for sure now.

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