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The Deep South: DUS-FRA-FDH-FRA-DUS W/ LH&EW  
User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Posted (11 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4523 times:

About the trip
Staying in touch with your friends can be difficult if they decide to move to an entirely different corner of your country. Thus it has become a tradition of mine and two of my closest friends to meet every couple of months either in my place either in Dortmund or in the Muensterland, or at their home down at beautiful Lake Constance (Bodensee) in southern Germany.

When I searched for flights in late January, LH still offered a thrice-daily nonstop service between CGN and FDH, which I booked for a mere 88 Euro return. Unfortunately, due to the second round of cost cutting at Lufthansa in early March, this route was, among other domestic services axed. Currently the only options to fly between Northrhine-Westphalia and FDH is by Hahn Air (nonstop from DUS) or LH via FRA, both for a whopping 324 Euro!!!  Sad

Luckily for me, LH rescheduled my trip without any hassles, and therefore I got 4 flights and double miles for just 88 Euro out of this whole affair - can't complaion about this!  Big thumbs up


Thursday, April 24, 2003
I had tried to check-in via internet the night before my flight in order to get window seats on Thursday's flights. However, since my booking code was still allocated to the cancelled CGN-FDH flight, I had to phone the Lufthasa hotline and ask the very friendly and competent call center agent to complete my reservation. After some difficulties - the fare base used for my connecting flights usually doesn't permit transfer connections - I secured my seats for the next morning. Everything was supposed to go just as usual. Or so I thought.

The airport (DUS)
As usual when I am flying for leisure, I arrived at DUS by train right at the fairly new train station at the northeastern end of the airport area. The spaciously designed, well-lit station hall not only features all relevant facilities of German Rail, but also check-in counters of most major airlines serving DUS. This nice and not so common feature permits passengers arriving in Duesseldorf by train to check-in their baggage right after leaving the tracks, so it is no longer necessary to haul all their belongings to the main terminal, which is connected to the train station by a three-kilometer long people-mover.

The check-in procedure itself proved to be an interesting task for the "trainee" check-in girl behind the Lufthansa counter. Not only did she have to struggle with the CGN-FDH flight coded unter my e-ticket number, but she actually wasn't able to assure that my baggage would be transfered to my onward flight in FRA: therefore she asked me to tell the gate agent in FRA to assure the transport of my suitcase from the inbound to the outbound plane.
After check-in I enetered the peoplemover station and waited for the train to arrive. One very interesting visitor to DUS caught my attention - unfortunately the aircraft was parked to far away just west of the LTU hangar in order to make decent photos. As I found out today, the TriStar sitting on the tarmac turned out to be this bird...


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... a Caribjet Cargo L1011-200F! Nice!  Big thumbs up No need to say that I kept my eyes glued to this exclusive sight throughout the entire peoplemover ride to the main terminal. It was a pretty warm spring morning this Thursday, and I was reasonably exhausted after the train ride from Dortmund, so I didn't spend much time inside...


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... the DUS main terminal hall and went straight to the security check-point of Terminal A, which is chiefly used by Lufthansa and its Star Alliance partners. One could tell that noontine on a Thursday isn't exactly the busiest period at Duesseldorf airport, because the inside of the Terminal was virtually deserted. Still, if you have some time to kill and money to spend, there are a few brand name retailers of fashion, accessories, perfumes and fine spirit inside the building, coupled with a decent-sized Travel Value/Duty Free shop upstairs from the main terminal floor, plus a Lufthansa lounge also situated upstairs.
Luckily for the casual spotter that I am, Duesseldorf Airport Authority has refrained from plastering all the terminal spaces along the large glass windows with retailing facilities and bars, so it is still possible to watch the action on the apron and take decent photos from the terminal. Around noon, however, there was hardly anything going on except for the occasional Lufthansa CRJ, 737 or Avro. The only interesting bird I was able to make out was the Blueline (?) A320-200 D-ANNE inside the Lufthansa hangar...


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...adjacent to Terminal A (visible here in the upper left corner of the photo). While I was making my way to the gate at two o'clock, the ominous announcement bell chimed and the speaker announced "Ladies and gentlement, flight LH003 to Frankfurt is delayed. Estimated time of departure now is 1455h." Oh well, 25 minutes, that's not too bad, altough very unusual for Lufthansa.
Finally, at 1420h, our Airbus arrived and I was delighted to see that we would be travelling on D-AIPA, actually the very first A320 delivered to Lufthansa in 1989 (and, I guess I was the only passenger noticing this nice trivia fact anyways).
While I was watching the handling processes with interest - how would LH manage to turn around the aircraft within a low-cost carrier timespan? - my concentration was somewhat distracted by a call of our gate attendant: "Mr.F., travelling to FRA on LH026 with onward connection to Friedrichshafen, is requested to contact the gate personal." I was expecting a rescheduling of my Friedrichshafen flight, because I was travelling on a tight connection anyways, but it turned to be a slightly different problem: I was booked twice on the flight to FRA! Not only was the seat I had requested by telephone reserved for me, but also another one was blocked for my due to the check-in at the train station. Well, it wasn't much trouble to sort that little problem out...


The flight (DUS-FRA)

LH003
Duesseldorf International (DUS) - Frankfurt Rhein-Main (FRA)

Scheduled block time: 1430h - 1525h
Actual block time: 1505h - 1550h
Flight time: 1515h - 1545h

Equipment:
A320-211
D-AIPA
c/n 069
delivery date: 16 Oct 1989

Seat: 24F


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Boarding started at 1455h - the time we were supposed to go off-block - and about 75 passengers started to fill the Airbus and thrust all carry-on belongings into the spacious overhead compartments of the A320. From the looks of it, most of our light passenger load today consisted of business travellers, many of them being Americans connecting to flights homeward bound across the pond. The movable cabin divider between business and economy cabin was installed behind row 11
With only a few passengers, the boarding process was closed within just five minutes, and the fairly senior chief purserette welcomed us aboard our short hop to Frankfurt. Due to the short duration of our flight we wouldn't see any cabin service, which was fine with me. I am always getting weary as soon as I am sitting in an airplane anyway, so no disturbance was actually an added bonus.


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Interior view of D-AIPA

The interior of the Airbus was just the expected Lufthasa standard - although IMO the light grey leather seats with yellow lining give the cabin a somewhat sterile look, and the orthopedic design is definitely not up to the latest standards. The seats and carpets are always spotlessly clean and functioning however. For such a short flight like today, I didn't mind these shortcomings at all, although on longer two or three-hour flights, a better seat and some inflight entertainment (just like most other European "flag carriers", LH has refrained from installing audio or video equipment on the majority of the shorthaul fleet) would probably be welcomed.


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LH narrowbody seat (A320)

With the characteristical whining/ barking of the electric fasteners, the baggage compartment door was arrested at about three o'clock, "Boarding completed" was announced and within a few minutes, pushback started from our position at gate A13, which is siutated at the very end of the narrow alley between Terminal A and the hangars. A westerly wind was prevalent today, so our take-off would be from RWY 23L after a short taxying to the threshold along the DUS Air Cargo Center, the LTU Hangar 8 and the train station.

Our light passenger and cargo load was notable on take-off - from the looks of it, D-AIPA lifted off the RWY after thundering down only about half or two thirds of the runway, retracting its gear after a few seconds and making its way into a beautiful, crystal-clear spring afternoon. Our flight path followed the runway orientation for the first couple of miles across the River Rhine, until we banked sharply to the left and continued our journey between Duesseldorf and Cologne. From this position, our flight more or less followed the Rhine southbound, passing over Limburg/ Lahn before turning eastwards and decending along the Main until we passed Frankfurt north of the city. It was an absoluetly beautiful day for flying with hardly any clouds and haze, so as a frequent traveller (by car) between Dortmund and FRA, and being a former resident of Frankfurt for some time in 2001, I was happy to identify the rolling hills of the Taunus, the Wiesbadener Kreuz (Autobahn Junction), and all the small cites in the metropolitain Franfurt area. By the time we passed Frankfurt, we were actually already low enough to identitfy all the different skyscrapers and other prominent buildings like the Goethe University.

After passing Hanau, we turned abruptly to the west in order to line up with RWY25L and started a very rapid descent. It seemed like our pilot was requested by ATC to comply to some very tight spacing inside the approach queue, and with some drastic veering to the left and right, we were aligned with the ILS. On a funny side note, the guy sitting next to me, an American businessman, noted to his colleague, how typical of European pilots it is to fly their birds somewhat "rowdier". Dunno... I have never noticed such a difference, I suppose it is more dependant on ATC commands than on the character or passion of pilots on this side of the Atlantic...

Touchdown was completed at a quarter to four after lengthy soaring across the threshold, followed by heavy braking and full reverse thrust. So much for our passionate pilots... I guess he wanted to save some time and catch the closest taxiway, as the next plane was already visible close behind us after we turned off RWY25L.
Braking heavily turned out to be very favorable, because we were now position just across Lufthansa's Terminal 1A and were able to go on-block at Gate A10 (at the root of the terminal fingeradjacent to the Lufthansa base) at 1550h.

The airport (FRA)
With only a few minutes between my connecting flights, I made my way straight to the gate of the Friedrichshafen flight, which turned out to be leaving from A13. Frequent travellers through the Lufthansa hub at FRA will know, how tediously long walks between gates at FRA often turn out to be, so I was fairly glad that my transfer came to an end only a couple of meters away. No time for spotting or shopping this time, but T1A isn't exactly a great testament to architectural design anyway. Pleasing on the outside, the interior is fairly dark, with stores and service failities blocking most of the views on the apron, narrowing the passageway between the gates to a long, narrow tunnel.


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Terminal 1A

The flight (FRA-FDH)

LH2020
operated by Eurowings
Frankfurt Rhein-Main (FRA) - Friedrichshafen Loewenthal (FDH)

Scheduled block time: 1640h - 1750h
Actual block time: 1655h - 1750h
Flight time: 1705h - 1747h

Equipment:
ATR72-202
D-AEWH
c/n 359
delivery date:

Seat: 1F


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At the gate, I greeted the gate attendant from her colleagues in DUS and asked her to take care of the transfer of my bag to the FDH flight, which she gladly did. Since I still had about fifteen minutes to spare, I took advantage of the free offers of newspapers and hot drinks, Lufthansa provides to all their passengers via newsracks and automatic coffee and tea dispensers. Nice to see that rationalization has shown no effects on the newspaper selection so far, since a vast array of German and Englsih-language general and business papers was still available. I took "Die Zeit" and sat down at the window, happily sipping my tea while wathcing the push-back of a LH 747-400.

At exactly 1610h, boarding was announced and passengers queued in front of the gate. Interestingly, although the alternative was clearly announced by the gate personal, only a few passengers like me used their e-ticket boarding pass in order to get through the gate barrier by inserting the boarding pass at entry separate from the "general" queue.
Our ATR was waiting at the usual remote parking position at the very northeastern corner of the airport east of Terminal 2 and just adjacent to the US Army Postal buildings. Apart from our ATR, there were also a BA ARJ, several Eurowings Bae-146 and a Styrian CRJ waiting for their passenger loads.
The flight was fully booked with mainly business passengers, and this heavy booking situation showed some effects during the long wait in front of the aircraft on the tarmac. Fortunately we were lucky, because the usually sucky German weather seemed to have taken a day off, so it was absolutely no problem for us to wait in front of the aircraft until it was finally our turn to suqeeze into the narrow aisle of the ATR.


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ATR-72 Interior

My seat today was a special one - I had finally managed to secure one of the rearwards facing seats at the emergency exit at the very front end of the cabin. I was able to watch the whole boarding and safety briefing process from the flight attendant's perspective. Quite amazing, how very few passengers actually watch the safety demonstration (altough I won't blame them, I don't see much use for that after watching the presentation a couple of times).
We went off-block fairly late at about five to five, and with some relief I noticed the engines spooling up. At least the searing heat inside the cabin would be reduced in due course - a heat, which seems to be notorious for the ATR, because I have never experienced cabin in any other aircraft warming up so quickly if the APU isn't running.
Our designated runway today was 18 at the very western end of the airport, so from my seat, I was getting a free scenic tour along the entire length of the terminals, the Lufthansa base and Cargo City Nord. Speaking of the latter, watching five MD-11F gleaming in the sun at the Lufthasa base was certainly a sight to behold for this very Trijet-fan.  Big thumbs up

With an intensive rattling, our ATR soon thundered down the runway and left the ground for a flight, which would take us straight to the south on flight level 150. According to the cabin announcement of one of the two female flight attendants in their late twenties, due to the short duration of our flight, there would only be cabin service in Business class, which is, due to the reduced noise level of this turboprop, situated in the rear of the aircraft.
I don't remember very much avout this flight, because I was fairly tired and really had to fight sleep on our southound trip. Anyways, altough we were still travelling under perfectly cloudless sky, the intensive haze hardly blocked any view of the ground below us.


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Cruising at FL150

About 15 minutes before landing, the friendly and attentive flight attendants made the famous "chocolate run" Eurowings is known and loved for among frequent travellers, offering complementary chocolate bars to all passengers. Captain Ian Richardson made a short welcoming adress and announced the start of final decent right afterwards.
Approach into the usually sleepy FDH must have been interesting that day - it was the first evening of the Aero 2003, a general aviation exhibiton, and the sky was filled with lots of Pipers, Cessnas and the likes. After touchdown on RWY24, we proceeded to the very end of the RWY before turning back on the taxiway and travelling to the small terminal, which is situated at the northern corner of the airport. We passed dozens of light aircraft scattered all across the airport grounds on our way to the terminal, and by the time we finally aligned with the terminal building, a waiting queue of at least a dozen smaller planes were watiting behind us, until they would be allowed to taxy to the runway threshold.

Deboarding was completed swiftly and the passengers were directed to the arrival "hall" (actually a small room with a single baggage belt). Much to my surprise, a Star Airlines A320 was parked right next to our ATR, so I finally got my first chance for a perfect photo on this travel day - and thankfully, the very patient operations personal on the apron allowed me to snap a couple of pictures.



Monday, April 28, 2003

The airport (FDH)
All too soon, the weekend had passed and I had to say goodbye to my friends. Again, I had checked in by telephone the day before and hoped that everything would go well upon arrival at the check-in desk this time. The line in front of the three desks this morning was fairly extensive with a mixture of mostly middle-aged men in business attire and families with huge piles of suitcases and much more causal clothes. This flight promised to be just as packed as on the way out. This time around, check-in was a lot smoother, and it was even possible to transfer my bag without special notice to the gate personal in FRA.
Waiting at FDH can be quite tedious, becuase there are an average of just eight to ten airline movements each day, comprising four flights to FRA with Eurowings and two each to DUS, HAM and TXL with Hahn Air.
One of the major advantages of the airport is its geographical location though. As you can see from...


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... the airport overview (FDH), it is very close to downtown and the major industrial zones, so if you have business to attend, a short cab ride will take you from the airport to your destination.
Check-in was completed very late today due to the full load of the aircraft, and boarding only commenced at a quarter to ten.

The flight (FDH-FRA)

LH2027
operated by Eurowings
Friedrichshafen Loewenthal (FDH) - Frankfurt Rhein-Main (FRA)

Scheduled block time: 0950h - 1100h
Actual block time: 1005h - 1110h
Flight time: 1010h - 1103h

Equipment:
ATR72-2002
D-AEWH
c/n 359
delivery date:

Seat: 11F


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Boarding was the same lengthy waiting procedure already experienced in FRA, altough most passengers handled the embarkation professionally and patiently under assistance of two very friendly and good-looking female FA's. Seems like the recruiting office of this airline is doing a tremendous job by providing their flights not only with professional, but also well-groomed service personel.  Big thumbs up

The wind was blowing from the west, so we used RWY 24 for take-off, which was completed within five minutes of leaving the apron. Gear was retracted soon after leaving terra firma, the aircraft made a slight right hand curve and proceeded along the coastline of Lake Constance. From my seat at the right side of the aircraft, I was now able to identify many of the sights I had visited the days before with my friends in the FDH area. About two minutes after take-off, a sudden turn to the north near Meersburg indicated our slow progress towards FRA.
According to the cabin announcement of our captain, the travel time would be slightly longer on my return trip. 55 Minutes would also allow the service professionals inside the cabin to perform the full programm, i.e. complemenatary hot or cold drinks and a piec of slightly cold, and somewhat not very fresh pastry (in our case, a variation of the French chocolate croissant). Still, better something to munch than starving on such a morning flight!
On our way north, we soon left the Lake Constance area and it was time to say goodby to the breathtaking view over the still snow-covered Austrian and Siwss Alps and the lush green landscapes.
Our flight route gave us a good indication on the natural splendor of Baden-Wuerttenberg, as we crossed the State almost over its entire length. Unfortunately though, my geographical knwoledge of this area isn't as good as it is in Northern germany, so it is hard for me to point out our exact routeing.
About 15 minutes from landing, the ATR-72 left its cruising altidutde, the throttles were pulled back (quite a relief for me, because as many of you will know, the ATR is comparatievely loud inside the cabin), and the big bird passed just southwest of Aschaffenburg before turning westbound towards Hanau, Offenbach and finally FRA. Just like on my outbound trip the week before, visibility in the Frankfurt area was fairly good, and it was possible to view all major landmarks in downtown Frankfurt like the Messetower, the skyscrapers and the Central Station.
A firm and short landing allowed our flight to exit RWY25L within a few seconds after landing, and since we were again scheduled to park at the apron in the east of the airport, our ATR followed Taxiway Charlie (i.e. the central one between the parallel RWYs) to its parking position. I would have loved to have my camera at this point, because the view of the US Air Base's apron at the southern edge of the airport was just breathtaking - there were 12 C-17s, 2 civilian C-130's, 2 AN-124's a UA 747-400, an AA 777 and two ATA L1011's in various stages of loading or unloading. Impressive!

The airport (FRA)
One major disadvantage of airrival in FRA by regional aircraft is the lengthy bus drive to the terminal, in our case again LH's T1A. Well, I wasn't in a hurry this time, so I was able to enjoy the free apron tour. Although I am a lucky posessor of a FRA airport ID (for professional reasons), I haven't been able to take an apron tour for quite a while, so watching a huge United 777 right in front of our bus and carfefully position it into its narrow position of Terminal 1C was a sight to behold. I guess I will never get tired of my hobby and my job!  Smile
Most of my waiting time inside the Terminal was spent at the transfer desk, where I had to rebook my seat reservation for the DUS flight. Again, the telephone check-in must have been too much for LH's reservation system, because upon check-in at FDH in the morning, I was presented with a different (i.e. aisle instead of window) seat than originally scheduled. The reason again this time, according to the friendly LH staff, was a double booking on the DUS flight.
IMO, there seems to be a lot of room for improvement, if these procedure are so flawed.


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Terminal 1A

The flight (FRA-DUS)

LH026
Frankfurt Rhein-Main (FRA) - Duesseldorf International (DUS)

Scheduled block time: 1300h - 1345h
Actual block time: 1300h - 1345h
Flight time: 1310h - 1340h

Equipment:
B737-330
D-ABER
c/n 26431/2242
delivery date: 20 Mar 1992

Seat: 12F


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I won't go into much details for this flight, because it was fairly short and up to the same consistent LH standard like the outbound leg from DUS. At least it offered a direct comparison between the A320 and 737 "Classic" in LH configuration. In my personal opinion, the differences are subtle and prbably only visible to the frequent traveller or aviation buff. The cabin width seems to be at least subjectively smaller, an effect, which might not only be produced by the actual difference of a few inches, but also because the lightning inside the 737 cabin seems to be somewhat darker and more yellowish.
The easts are almost the same on both aircraft types, again offering no audio or video plugs and a fairly dated orthopedic design.


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B737-300 Interior


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LH narrowbody seat (B737)

Passenger load was again light with just about 50 percent occupancy, both from business and leisure travellers. Take-off was performed from RWY25R after a fairly long and bumpy take-off run, which set off a small dog, transported inside the cain in its small portable cage, who started barking and whining nervously. The whole commotion subsided soon after we reached for the skies and the gear was raised.
Our flight path took us across the Main River just east of Wiesbaden, and the Feldberg was clearly visible while we were ascending to our crusing altitude of just 15.000ft. The only interesting part of the short hop was the landing - DUS was experiencing a modest crosswind, and we were notably touching down with the left main gear first in order to put the wing into the wind and avoid too much deviation from the centerline. Still, this mini-stunt provided more excitement for some of the passengers, who gasped and "ah"-wed on during the final seconds of our flight... I wonder how they would have felt onboard the Augsburg Airways DHC-8 I saw land and almost plow into the runway edge while I was driving by peoplemover to the train station a few minutes later?!
As we were allocated to a gate at the northern side of Terminal A this time, our taxying to the gate was very short, as was disembarkation. A nice and freindly goodbye, coupled with some free chocolates courtesy of Vodafone (presented to us on the way out of the aircraft) concluded this very straightforward no-nonsense flight.


Conclusion
I used to be very critical about Lufthansa's pricing strategies and the paucity of courteous and personal service you'll get as a humble passenger.
My recent travels in 2002/3 have indicated a change for the better though. It is now possible to fly domestically for just 92 Euros return on any nonstop connection, which is excellent value for money compared to going by car or wasting money on German Rail.
I would have never thought I'd write something like this only two years ago, but by now, I would happily recommend LH on short-haul domestic hops as long as the lower fare laveles are still available.

Thank you vor bearing with me all through this rather lengthy trip report! If you have anything to add, any comments questions or suggestions, please fell free to post them here, I#d be delighted to help you.  Smile



Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4392 times:

Hi Jens,

it is always a pleasure to read your amazing trip reports! I enjoyed reading very much because it was very detailed as always, I also like the additional pictures because you get a better impression of the planes and the airports you described. Thanks a lot!

The A 320 you saw in DUS was not Blueline but Bluewings, there are frequently discussions in the DUS Spotter Forum (http://www.dusforum.de) about this airline because they had no single flight until now but an employee of this airline wrote that they will start soon with flights to Turkey. If you look on their website (http://www.bluewings.com) which doesn`t provide much information, you will notice that this airline has the same address like LTU has: Airport Düsseldorf, Hangar 8. I found one picture in the a.net database:

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Patrick


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4309 times:

Hi Patrick,
Thank you for your compliments, it is feedback like yours that keeps me writing these hour-long trip reports.  Smile

Concerning Bluewings, didn't they originally plan to be some kind of upscale charter airline? As far as I remember, for a time there were even talks of Bluewings flying from DUS to NRT with their A320.  Nuts

Everything sounds very suspicious to me.

D-ANNE is the former LTU D-ALTA, so this probably explains the close affiliation of the two carriers at least when it comes to their respective office addresses.



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User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4297 times:

GRAA  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Regards
Frederic


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4276 times:

You are welcome, Jens!

Correct, there were a lot of rumors that Bluewings will start to fly between DUS and NRT with an all Business Class configuration in their A 320 but now some people in the DUS Forum talk about flights to Turkey and charter flights on demand. I am wondering if this airline will be successfull.

Patrick


User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2899 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4260 times:

Who said I write great trip reports? I just suggested deletion for all my recent trip reports, because *this* is what I call a detailed, high-quality trip report! Really a great piece of art!

Of course you were lucky to get this DUS-FRA-FDH-FRA-DUS tour for just 92€, but on the other hand it will probably mean for you to pay much more money next time you meet your friends at FDH. Or would you probably consider Hahn Air's nonstop service next time?

It's always a pleasure to read those detailed trip reports, although it takes some time to read, those detailed reports contain a lot of interesting facts which you hardly find on shorter reports, great work!

ps: I think you forgot to mention FDH's probably most important movement (well at least the flight with the highest passenger figures), namely Ryanair's daily STN-FDH-STN flight.


User currently offlineJumbolino From Germany, joined Mar 2001, 490 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4251 times:

I am very, very sure you wrote this trip report to top Ndebele with the most detailed and longest trip report ever seen for a domestic flight  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
GRAA !

Jumbolino.



Kind Regards, Jutta.
User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4238 times:

Ndebele,
Once again, thanks to you and the others for those nice words! It is possibly just coincidence, but IMO trip reports from our German (and Swiss) members often seem to be so much more detailed than other reports. Maybe the "German efficiency" isn't just a stereotype?  Big thumbs up

The cancellation of LH's CGN service has indeed posed some problems for me. I won't pay 324 Euro for a connecting flight from Northrhine-Westphalia to FDH, that's for sure. Hahn Air is offering nonstop service to DUS and will soon also add CGN to their list of destinations, but - surprise, surprise - the fare is the same as Lufthansa's, i.e. 324 Euros.  Angry
Which leaves few options. I won't go by car, because frankly I am not the kind of guy who likes driving that much (I always get pissed about the idiocy of other drivers, although I know that I am very likely also such an idiot), and German Rail is no longer an option for me on long-range travel.

The next time I am going to Lake Constance, I will most likely fly DTM-ZRH and the use the train to Konstanz, where my friends will pick me up. Travel time will be a little longer, but I don't have to go to DUS, instead I will use DTM (travel time from my home just 15 minutes), so this compensates some of the trouble. With fares starting at 58 Euros when booked in advance, this option is - combined with the Swiss Rail fare - not much more expensive than the former direct flight from CGN.

Jutta,
Yep, thank you very much.  Smile I think it is funny how we all are trying to excell each other with our reports, but that's only good for everyone here, because we get to see a lot of interesting stories.  Smile

Anyway, I'll be leaving for my next trip in a couple of hours (4U CGN-TXL-CGN over the weekend), so I guess I have to come up with another article upon my return. Big grin





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User currently offlineJumbolino From Germany, joined Mar 2001, 490 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4210 times:

Jens,
I have my next flight(s) on 17th of may MUC-BRU-VIE with SNBA and this time I'll try to top the longest trip report ever wrote here  Wink/being sarcastic (and if I have to describe the blue leather seats everything will be reported ....)
To show everybody austrian and women style, both are rather rare here in this forum, I estimate  Wink/being sarcastic

Jumbolino.



Kind Regards, Jutta.
User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4194 times:


Very nice, I must say.

There are three possibilities:

a) Your trips are simply more exciting than mine.
b) You notice details that I, being as superficial as I am, simply don´t bother remembering.
c) I´m just lazy when I write my trip reports.

Probably a combination of all three Big grin - did anyone evere nominate you for the Literature Nobel Prize?  Wink/being sarcastic

I´ll be at FDH in four weeks, doing CFU-FDH-FKB - my third "domestic" flight within one
German Land, after Saxony and NRW  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4186 times:

I've just returned from my quick weekend visit to a friend in Berlin (4U CGN-TXL-CGN, see report soon), and let me say thanks to y'all for your comments!  Big thumbs up
I really appricate it very much - if it wouldn't be for the internet, where else could we all meet so easily to exchange our stories?

I'm really looking forward to your next travels and your trip reports!  Smile



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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4174 times:

Whoops, just found out, the above post my 1000th one. I guess I have to go to the non-av forum now and celebrate myself (just kidding)...



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4175 times:

Hi Jens,

I just returned from FRA, I flew also on D-AEWH from FRA to DTM. I didn`t enjoy the flight on this old bird because it was really loud inside the cabin, even in the rear of the cabin. Next time I will fly from DUS to get a ride on a "real" plane.

Patrick


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4154 times:

Hi Patrick,
Yes, it really is a shame, how seemingly fast the interoir of those ATR's looks tattered. An imprint on the window glass said "8.92", so I suppose D-AEWH is already over ten years old.

Did you notice, how dirty and yellowish the overhead lighting panels were and how some of the wall panels were no longer were tightly fit, so that the whole plane was rattling like an old Lada during take-off, landing and turbulences?

I've flown some newer ATR's from "your"  Smile company in winter, and have to say, those were lightyears better than this old bird (D-AEWH) we both now have flown on.



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User currently offlineJumbolino From Germany, joined Mar 2001, 490 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4115 times:

Patrick !
even an old ATR IS a real plane !
yes i know F-GPYO (ATR-42 500) which took me so often between INN and ZRH and even between LYS and NCE (funny not ?) wasn't older than 5 years I expected (meanwhile it is older, but i've no clue if it's still in the FU flight or not) that it should look more new than ages old. but what ?
It looked cramped I've to admit, but it was definitly a real plane !
and I liked "him"  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Jumbolino.



Kind Regards, Jutta.
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4137 times:

Hi Jens,

I didn`t notice the imprint on the windows but shortly after I entered the plane I saw that it must be very old because of the dirty and yellowish overhead lighting panels that you have already mentioned in your post above. The flight was the most uncomfortable I ever had, the noise level was incredible high, I was really happy that we flew only 30 minutes.

Eurowings didn`t earn much money yesterday, there were only eleven passengers on the flight from DTM to FRA (only Economy Class passengers) and nine passengers on the return flight (two Chinese guys in Business Class), at least I had a lot of space in the plane.

Patrick


User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2899 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4109 times:

D-AEWH had it's first flight on 30 March 1993, and EW took delivery of this aircraft on 27 April 1993 - more or less exactly ten years ago.

I do not like the ATR either, because of the noisy cabin, and because of the unusual configuration with the baggage compartment between cockpit and cabin. But saying that the ATR is not a "real" plane, I think thats an exaggeration.

I'm pretty sure, in ten years both Airsicknessbag and Fly-K will post reports like "The time machine: Eurowings Traditionsflug ATR42 DTM-ESSBig grin (sorry, couldn't resist). Joking apart, maybe it's just EW's fault that the cabins look so old, I remember a friend of mine used to work on EW's BAe146s as F/A and she told me the main reason for her to quit her job was that the BAe's were in so shabby conditions, not only cabin but the whole aircraft.


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4080 times:

Jutta: even an old ATR IS a real plane !

Alex: But saying that the ATR is not a "real" plane, I think thats an exaggeration.

Get a life...both of you!

 Big grin Big grin

Patrick



User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 18, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4083 times:

One thing's for sure, I'd take a rattling old ATR any day over a sparkling new ICE.  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4058 times:

Of course I would also prefer the old ATR over the new ICE, the reason is simple: an ICE can not fly  Big thumbs up

Patrick


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4045 times:

Next time I will fly from DUS to get a ride on a "real" plane.

Edit: Next time I must fly from DUS to get to FRA, next Friday will be the last DTM-FRA flight  Sad

Patrick


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 21, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4042 times:

What? Do you mean, next Friday will be YOUR last DTM-FRA flight, or will EW actually cancel their FRA service from our home airport? I haven't heard anything about that.

 Wow!



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User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4023 times:

Yup, from Saturday, DTM-FRA is history.

Two more rotations today, another one tomorrow (the morning flights), and that´s it.

I guess the Bahn killed that one, 2.5 hours Dortmund Main Station to Frankfurt Main Station is just too good.

It´s a shame. And I don´t really see Walter or City jump in as they did with DRS/LEJ, NUE and THF - HE´s fare structure is even worse than LH´s, Deutsche Bahn´s 198 EUR 1st class fare is just unbeatable.

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 23, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3997 times:

Doh, Eurowings will only be a shadow of its former self at its home base. This almost warrants a separate thread.  Sad

It's been all but downhill for Eurowings' engagement in DTM since the affiliation with LH started - first they graduately disbanded all international flying, then most of the domestic routes except for MUC and FRA. And now that.

Good thing that AB is now offering nonstop services on some of EW's fomer international routes, although the timings and frequencies are not exactly suitable for business-people.



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