AvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2430 posts, RR: 10 Posted (9 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 3678 times:
Old hat for those who've gone but I have to say it was indeed worth every penny! I never fully understood the appeal before the flight but now I get it. The whole experience is special, from the lavish pre-flight Concorde Lounge to the final sendoff from the exceptionally friendly crew. To think we about to lose this wonderful travel adventure is truly sad, strange now, I was ambivalent about it before. Nothing in the air compares to the sight of the Machmeter at 2.00, the Altimeter at 57,500 feet, the MPH reading at 1340, the sight of the earth's curvature and the dark blue sky! The entire flight is one big party-I couldn't even finish all the food and drink served, though I HAD to eat the caviar, part of the Concorde legacy (and it was damn good!). I was taking photos much of the time, hope most of them come out to post here. There was a marriage proposal in cabin 1, though in cabin 2 I really didn't care (don't know if it was accepted). Must say most of my preconceived Concorde notions (based on what I heard or read) have now been dispelled. It's NOT cramped, feels about like a 757 with 1 less seat abreast, not bad. Plenty of legroom too (way better than BA econo-class 747-400!). It's NOT noisy-no worse in flight than the BA 744, though in seat 21A, maybe I wasn't back far enough to hear the famous Olympus engines roar. The landing, of course, was quite jarring-THAT was different but expected. I haven't flown all that much but this was to date my best experience. My Mom is now very disappointed she didn't go along, so much so she's urging me to consider us both going before the end-me for the 2nd time. I'm not as high on doing it again, mainly since the minimum price for the 1-way econo, 1-way SST trip is now $6499. USD as opposed to the $3999. I paid before. There'll be a lot of scrimping and saving if I commit again, money I think would now be better spent on a transglobal charter, like I'd checked out but didn't take 2 years ago. But if she wants to bad enough, maybe I'd do it, fairly broke though I'd be thereafter. Will think about it a few days. For the rest of you who haven't, it's STILL not too late, though you'll be coughing up much closer to standard fare now. Decisions, decisions!
AvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2430 posts, RR: 10 Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 3533 times:
Actually, GDB, in my excitement, I actually forgot to ask WHICH Concorde I was on-ARRGH! But my flight departed Heathrow on Sunday, the 27th, at 6:30 pm London time and arrived at JFK at 5:25 pm New York time. Surely you can tell me which one that was-damn, I should've checked on that! I was back at work on Monday, the 28th, it wasn't G-BOAD, I guess. And yes, Covert, when I get my pix developed, I'll do a proper trip report. I guess, GDB, you'd advise against another booking with a strike looming (though my doing it again is not all that likely), wouldn't you? I'd be more worried about committing over $13,000. USD between my Mom and myself with such an uncertainty. Be frank if there's a serious risk about cancellations and other disruption, it'll help me talk my Mom out of it and save me a pile of money!
GDB From United Kingdom, joined exactly 12 years ago today! , 12713 posts, RR: 80 Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 3504 times:
I do not expect an Engineering strike, another one in the terminals may not affect Concorde too much, it did not before, but an agreement there looks likely.
You were on G-BOAC on Sunday. http://www.concordesst.com/204.html
The biggest crowd I've yet seen along the Northern Runway/visitor centre saw it go.
If you do a TR here, why not link it to the TR forum on; http://pub13.ezboard.com/fconcordesstfrm3
They have an increasingly impressive collection of Concorde reports, many Concorde staff look at that site all the time, and if you've pics that will go down well too.
AvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2430 posts, RR: 10 Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 16 hours ago) and read 3440 times:
Thanks, GDB! Good to know which SST I was on; the oldest and heaviest in the fleet, huh? Sure didn't seem to affect its' performance! Thanks for the info. on the other site-will check in there, soon. F.Y.I.-I DID spend the day at Heathrow, I felt only 8 hours was too risky to go to London when unsavvy about how to get there. Loved the airport, the shops, the Holodeck lounge, just walking-great! Be back soon with a full trip report. Thanks, all, for your commentary!
Flairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3155 times:
i remember going to JFK in the early '90's with my parents for fun... outside terminal 3 (I know it was a delta terminal but i saw an aeroflot plane and some delta Transcons) I saw it. either sitting or taxing out. I'd like to know if these planes are going to go where all other planes go: the desert? If it does, maybe they'll take off the engines and convert it into a small resturant.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined exactly 12 years ago today! , 12713 posts, RR: 80 Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3142 times:
Catholic2006, with Air France (who had terrible loads during the US boycott against France earlier this year), now having stopped flying, BA had to shoulder the full support costs,
But the issues are spelt out here more fully, the rest of this site is very well worth a look as well; http://www.concordesst.com/retire/faq_r.html
AvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2430 posts, RR: 10 Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3146 times:
"whats the HOLODECk lounge though?"
This is a little relaxation bar and lounge AT Heathrow Airport. You pay to get in but then all drinks are complementary. There is TV and terminals to plug in laptop PCs and kids or adults can also play games on special video terminals. It has 3 levels, including an upper observation deck with a glorious view of Heathrow! Nice little place.
"You lucky bugger! Can't wait for the trip report."
Bear with me a few days, just got the first batch of film to be digitally processed to the photolab today. I didn't take my new digital camera along because I'm not savvy about using it, yet-it had to be 35mm, this time.
"I think that it is really cool and really good that you have got to experience the Concorde. I think that that would be very sweet to be able to fly one."
You STILL can but only if you hurry and also pay a rather dearer price than I did when I booked in May. I'm still thinking about going again with my Mom, this time, but the higher tag definitely gives pause. Still, you should consider it, it's definitely worth the money, if you have the money to do it.
"Did the take-off roll seem more powerful or more forceful than any other aircraft you have been on? Or does it not go really really fast until it acquires the destined altitude? I was just wondering."
Takeoff roll was definitely more powerful, though it didn't seem any noisier than a subsonic. The SST climbs a bit slower, at reduced power, to keep ground noise levels tolerable until it reaches 8000 feet, then the climb to altitude is swift to 50,000 feet, then slows until it reaches max. altitute-57,500 feet, on this flight. Chris, I'll have the full report in a few days, after I get my photos, this was just a teaser, so excited, I just had to get it out!
GDB, thanks for posting the retirement info. Caught up in romanticism after landing, I stated in my survey that I felt a lot of the post 9/11 and Iraq war lost business would likely have come back in time for both BA and AF, especially if they restructured fares a bit to make it a little cheaper. I said I thought it should've been given more time, maybe another year. However, that was wishful thinking and Airbus, determined to cut its' projected losses and run, was in the driver's seat. Still wonder though (even though I KNOW!) why such a wonderful experience must come to an end. SO sad it has to.
AvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2430 posts, RR: 10 Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3056 times:
Chris, I know $6500. minimum is a huge amount for a young person, which I assume you probably are by your username-is Catholic2006 a graduation date? Nevertheless, if you REALLY want to experience this while it's still possible, could you not go to your parents or other members of your family and borrow the money after writing a promisory note to pay it back within some sort of timeframe? I never liked asking my folks or family for money, either but if it's really important to you, might there not be SOME way to make it happen? I just don't want you to be reading about Concorde years from now and lamenting you didn't fly it while you had the chance. I didn't want to spend the money, either, but I'm sure glad now I did! This really IS the ride of lifetime, one no other passenger plane can match! Consider the ways it could possibly be made to happen for you before you close the book on the possibility. Remember, you could be telling your children one day YOU flew on that rare and special airplane. Think NOW before it's too late! God bless you, too!
Catholic2006 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 357 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3018 times:
Hey!! You are too good! How did you know that I graduate in '06? You go boy!! Well, my parents probably wouldn't mind paying that money to fly one, but I'm sure they won't just because I wanted to fly one. We would have to be going somewhere. I don't feel that I'm missing out, but I'd really like to ride one. My dream aircraft to travel on is a Boeing 747-400. The would be too cool (as long as it's with United Airlines, Air France, or Lufthansa). Well, thanks for your response. God bless!!!
Ne vous inquietez pas. Je ne vous hais pas . . . . encore, mais faites attention !
AvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2430 posts, RR: 10 Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3040 times:
Well, your family could take a quick trip to London if they could schedule it soon-it would HAVE to be VERY soon! But if it won't kill you to miss out, then that's okay. I'm sure in 10 years or so, PC Concorde flight simulators will be SO realistic, you'll ALMOST feel like you are on a real flight. ALMOST. Nothing will take the place of the real flight I knew I was on. As for the 747-400, well, that's much easier and WAY cheaper! I just flew one for the first time on the 1st half of the half-Concorde trip and it was great, even in BA economy class (though not much legroom). Love the 747, too-so massive and powerful. Fly one soon, you don't have to wait to actually go somewhere-it's cheap enough just for the experience. Get some dream flying under your belt soon! Ta-ta!
GDB From United Kingdom, joined exactly 12 years ago today! , 12713 posts, RR: 80 Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2998 times:
There could be some much cheaper JFK-JFK opportunities later this month, nothing has been confirmed yet, but I would point out that while we are substituting BGI flights for the JFK ones on Saturdays in August, we have Fridays BA001 sitting at JFK waiting for Sundays BA002, not this Saturday coming but the next one, and possibly others until the end of the month.
Nothing official from BA yet on this, it maybe announced soon, sorry not to be very specific, but we've been told nothing yet about it, however we do see flight and crew planning about a week ahead.
AvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2430 posts, RR: 10 Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2986 times:
Thanks again, GDB. My Mom wants to go with me but she and I are daunted by the current fares. If the minimum 1-way World Traveler, 1-way Concorde round trip were to dip into the $5000. USD range, we'd definitely consider it more. No way, I think, will they again offer the bargain $3999. USD fare I paid back in May but if it comes down to the 5 grand range, we'll probably go.
Chris, the 747-400 IS, in its' own ways, nearly as cool as Concorde, minus the speed factor, of course. A real joy to fly on, as well. I'm also looking forward to going up in a 777 in the near future. Of course, there's also a bunch of others, including Airbus types I'd like to be on. Sad I've flown so little in all my years-don't make the same mistake. Fly somewhere, anywhere just for the heck of it!
GDB From United Kingdom, joined exactly 12 years ago today! , 12713 posts, RR: 80 Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2966 times:
I've heard (not that we are hardly told anything officially), that this JFK-JFK on 9th August is not for sale to the public, some kind of PR thing.
Now if it is some kind of charity thing, fair enough, but if, as is more likely, it's a bunch of freeloaders, then a shocking waste of money in these times, as well as being unfair to all those that want to fly on this soon to be gone aircraft.
I don't know yet if there are further ones on the following Saturdays in August, when I find out either way, you'll be the first to know.