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User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11992 times:

Because of several coincidental conditions and occurrences this year, I was able to enjoy two trips to my favorite destination for vacations (the United States) this summer.
The first one was a fantastic round-trip through the western states from August 8th to August 29th , starting in San Francisco, which I unfortunately didn´t have the time to write a trip report about.

The second trip should take me and my brother to the wonderful state of Florida where I had a great time last year, which led me to the decision to come back as soon as possible: this year.
Because of having flown on Lufthansa the last three times I had been to the USA, I was happy being offered quite a good deal from my travel agency in may which included a flight on Delta Air Lines from Frankfurt to Miami and back and a rental Alamo car for two weeks.
When I discovered the fact that I would have the opportunity to fly on two airplanes that I had not been on so far (a 767-400 and a CRJ), my decision was clear.

After having returned from San Francisco on August 30th, I still had five days to prepare for my upcoming trip on Delta which I was happily looking forward to. My last experience with Delta was in 1998 (FRA-CVG-SFO-JFK) and those definitely weren´t the best flights I had so far which led me to a great curiosity if something had changed meanwhile.

My brother and me arrived at Terminal 2 of Frankfurt International Airport about three hours prior to our scheduled departure time (09.45 am) and were glad to notice that the Check in Counters had just been opened and there were only about ten people in front of us.
After we were asked the usual security questions (mainly concerning the reason of our trip and our baggage) by a very friendly female american agent who spoke excellently german, we were waved over to the Medallion counter because there were no people at that moment.
A rather quiet but not unfriendly swiss agent took our tickets and passports and gave us our boarding passes for both sectors (FRA-ATL and ATL-MIA) shortly afterwards.
Having checked if we got the seats assigned that we had reserved, we thanked the guy behind the counter and went on to the Skyline Train which took us to Terminal 1 where we wanted to have a little breakfast at the McDonald´s behind the security check.

Up to that day it had never been a problem to enter the security area of Terminal 1 at Frankfurt though having a boarding pass for a flight that departs at Terminal 2 but this time there was a female agent who obviously thought different when she yelled at us that we should inform about the location of our gate before running into an area that we are not allowed to get in, of course after having abstained from saying “Good Morning” or something like that.
Well I tried to stay friendly and explained to this person that this definitely wasn´t the first time I was flying from Frankfurt and that apart from having met much friendlier agents before, I was well aware of the fact that the D-gates were not in Terminal 1 and that the statutes of her employer clearly allow people to change between the security areas of T1 and T2 without needing a special reason.
At this time a second agent who had stood a few metres apart before seemed to notice that there was a little discussion taking place between that moron and me and approached us saying “Gute Morgen, kann ich Ihnen weiterhelfen?” which means “Good morning, can I help you?” in a much more decent way than the lady had “talked” to us before.
I explained him why we wanted to enter the security area of T1 and that it had never been a problem to do so until now and he allowed us to proceed to the carry-on checking facilties.
Well, I thanked the guy and couldn´t resist to smile at the lady and thanking for doing such a fantastic without lacking any friendliness and positive attitude. She didn´t respond to that and I really had not expected her to say one more word.

After we had finished what McDonald´s calls breakfast and having spotted lots of heavy planes while eating, including HS-TGW, the Thai 744 that has recently been painted into the new Star Alliance livery, we went back through the passport control to the Skyline station from where we were taken back to Terminal 2.

Entering the security area of Terminal 2, I once again noticed that this terminal makes a much more convenient impression than Terminal 1, including more brightness and more space while offering the same, if not more amenties (if they just reopened the visitor´s terrace there).
The security control was nothing remarkable, some people were picked for a more detailed search of their carry-on.
We went on to gate D11 where we (as usual) were asked if our carry-on had been unattended at any time since we checked in (Are there really people who would admit if this was the case?). After responding with “No” (surprise, surprise), the lady wished us a nice flight and an enjoyable stay at our destination.

Entering the waiting hall of this gate, I noticed that the aircraft for our flight to Atlanta would be N1603 which had arrived from JFK 30 minutes ago.

Shortly after we had taken a seat, I noticed a couple approaching us but (fortunately) deciding not to sit next to us. The man seemed to be neglected, obvisously not having washed his hair for a week or so, the woman led me to the question how someone like her would be able to fit into a Coach Class seat.
When they passed us, a huge amount of a horrible sweat-smell entered my nose and stayed there for at least a few minutes. I´m really a person who is somewhat accustomed to bad smells from my civil service three years ago but this was definitely one of the most disgusting ones I have ever had suffered from.
From that moment on I was praying not to sit behind that couple during the upcoming 10 hours on my way to Atlanta…well, you know what bad coincidence means? Later more.

Soon the first boarding announcement was made and Business Elite passengeres as well as disabled people and families with small children were allowed to enter the airplane which of course didn´t prevent half of the people in the waiting area from straightly proceeding towards the airbridge. I realized that either Delta must have squeezed a hell of a lot Business Elite seats into their Boeing 767-300 J or that the people just didn´t change since the last time I had flown six days ago.

Date: 09/04/03
Delta Air Lines Flight DL027
Aircraft: B767-332(ER) N1603 del.:02/05/99
Seat: 41A

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Further boarding was commenced from the behind of Coach Class to the front (which I have always considered as the one and only reasonable method of boarding as I have never understood the zone-boarding). Being seated in the last row, my brother and me approached the agent at the exit who wished us a good flight with Delta. We proceeded to the front door of the airplane where a female F/A who seemed to be in her mid-fourties friendly greeted us and told us to stay in the left aisle.
I walked through the Business Elite section (which seemed to be a little cramped with a 2-2-2 layout) and began proceeding to the last row when I suddenly was shocked deeply by noticing that the smelling couple I mentioned before just tried to sit down in row 40 – which of course was the row in front of us…aaaarrrrgh.  Pissed
I stopped for a moment but then became aware of the fact that I had no choice and went further down the aisle not succeeding in trying to prevent the smell flooding my nose this time. I sat down on that Coach Class seat which reminded me a bit of the seats on domestic american flights in the early eighties but it was actually quite comfortable and, although it was in the last row of Economy Class, it did recline.

This is how the interior looks on a Delta 767-300 in Coach Class:

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Fortunately, it was possible to decrease the damage to my nose caused by the couple in front of me by skilfully using the air nozzles above our seats  Big thumbs up
Something that caught my eyes shortly after having taken a seat was that on the rear right side of the cabin there were two or three rows with larger seat pitch and headrests. I assumed this would be the crew rest area for the cabin crew but I seemed to remember that in 1998, when I had flown FRA-CVG, there were regular Coach Class seats in that part of the airplane.

In fact, later during the flight, the F/A´s used these seats as a rest and could manage to obtain some privacy with the help of a curtain.

About ten minutes after we had boarded the airplane, the captain announced a delay of approximately ten minutes because of some passengers still being stuck in the security controls. These passengers apparently arrived inside the aircraft about fifteen minutes later and I wondered how they were allowed to take items as large as theirs with them on board, as those bags hardly fitted into the overhead bins.

Our B767-300 was pushed back shortly afterwards and the female purser greeted us onboard by thanking for choosing Delta Air Lines and wishing us a pleasant flight on english, followed by the same announcement in german with just a little american accent.

While taxiing to runway 07L, I was able to spot the usual variety of parked aircraft (apart from lots of LH 744´s and A340´s) in front of the Lufthansa Technik facilities, including a QF 744, TG Star Alliance 744 and a CX 744 when I managed to look through the windows on the right side.

Reaching runway 07L , the captain made a second announcement which mainly comprised an apology for an additional delay because of having missed our north atlantic slot time(he actually explained to the passengers what such a slot means, which I found to be quite a nice gesture), so we had to wait another ten minutes before we began our take off run, just before the Lufthansa A340 D-AIGS, which was also heading for Atlanta.

Take Off was nothing special for me but I guess some passengers once again felt the bumpy runway (which is currently being renovated at night). After a slight turn to the left, I got a very nice view of downtown Frankfurt and I took some photos with my brother´s camera. Maybe I´ll send one or two of them to airliners.net.

Soon I recognized that we were flying right over the channel between Calais and Dover so I was given the opportunity to see France and the UK at the same time.
Afterwards, drinks were served by those F/A´s that I would have almost mixed up with a group of elderly housewives who are on their way to the world women´s congress…no, just joking, althuogh I would have prefered a younger crew, they mostly had a decent attitude and were quite friendly.
I was surprised by the fact that Delta now also charges $4.00 for alcoholic beverages on transatlantic flights, including beer and wine. I thought that Continental was the only airline doing this so far. Being a bit disappointed by not getting my usual beer to celebrate the beginning of my vacation because of not willing to pay so much money for a tiny can of warm muck, I chose a Coke and unfortunately didn´t get the whole can but just a little cup.

I didn´t care about the movies because I could hardly see half of the monitor from my seat so I had a look at the menu which I always miss when I´m flying Lufthansa as it´s a nice gimmick and surely not to expensive to produce.
There was a choice between chicken with barbeque sauce, mashed potato and vegetables or some pasta with a cream sauce.

When lunch was served somewhere over the atlantic, I chose the chicken which tasted just like the usual airplane chicken but the sauce was definitely much too sweet in my opinion.
As I don´t care much about food on airplanes (at least in Economy Class, because in my eyes it´s more a kind of a therapy against getting bored than a culinary pleasure), I wasn´t very sad by eating less than half of it.

Drinks were served about three or four more times (sometimes only a selection between water and orange juice) and I soon managed to sleep for about an hour until suddenly I was terribly woken up by the man in front of me lifting his arm and putting his hand behind his neck…oh you just can´t imagine how disgusting this smell was. At this time I was short before asking him how it can be so difficult using a deodorant before getting on 10 hour long flight but I finally decided to live with that smell for the last few hours of the flight.

We began our descent over a cloudy Atlanta and the approach was rather uneventful, just a few turbulences. I was able to spot some parked Delta MD-11´s and of course heaps of other Delta aircraft. Touching down about fourty minutes late, I was looking forward to soon flying on a Boeing 767-400 for the first time.
Looking out of the window, I spotted D-AIGS, the LH A340 which had taken off at FRA just after we departed and I assumed that the LH flight must have received a shorter flight track from the ATC.
When we arrived at the gate, I noticed that there were only about 55 minutes left until our next departure but that should not be a problem if the line at the immigration wasn´t to long.

Well, so much for being optimistic.

Leaving the airplane, saying goodbye to the F/A´s and the First Officer, we headed for the immigration and saw what we would not have expected in our worst nightmares: A line for visitors as long as I have only seen it at JFK about two and a half years ago. There was an overtaxed officer who tried to direct people to certain lines but it all seemed to last too long for still having a chance to get our connecting flight. We finally were waved to an immigration officer five minutes before our scheduled departure when I realized that instead of gettting on the 767-400 we would be rebooked on the next flight which was scheduled to be operated by a –300 again…grrrrr  Pissed
Another point that frustrated me was that it would have not been necessary to take the early FRA-ATL flight but take the 777 flight instead…

The immigration officer was a bit astonished about the fact that I was immigrating to the USA for the second time within four weeks and he didn´t believe that there was a nonstop flight between Frankfurt and San Francisco but I could convince the guy by telling him the reasons for my unusual travel dates and that there are in fact three daily nonstop flights from Germany to San Francisco.

Disappointed by most likely having missed the 767-400, we grabbed our baggage and went to the Re-Check In where a very friendly agent apologized for the chaotic immigration on this day and rebooked us on DL 1204 which was scheduled to depart 90 minutes after DL 324, which we originally were booked on.

We took the underground train to Terminal A and went to gate A 24 (if I remember correctly) where my fear was confirmed: The airplane standing at the gate was N174DZ, another B767-300.
There was no agent at this gate so I asked the agent at the next gate if he was able to issue our new boarding passes. He asked for our tickets and passports and I was positively surprised when I saw that we would be seated together on 38A and 38B.
After having bought two sodas at a little shop on the opposite site of the Terminal, I was getting interested in those monitors hanging above the waiting area which displayed some stuff like an upgrade list, a standby list and a clear list but I didn´t really understand how it works. Could anyone who is more familiar with this new (at least to me) service explain that to me?

Pre Boarding for First Class and disabled passengers was announced about 30 minutes prior to the scheduled departure time and as always on domestic american flights, the boarding process was less chaotic than in Europe.
Our row was called 10 minutes later and we began our way down the airbridge to our second Boeing 767-300 for this day.

Date: 09/04/03
Delta Air Lines Flight DL1204
Aircraft: B767-332(ER) N174DZ del.:11/05/98
Seat: 38B

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Entering the aircraft; I had to ask myself if Delta now had started to recruit their female F/A´s from senior hostels  Big thumbs up but I have to admit that they were friendly and professional again so there was nothing to complain about.
The Coach Class cabin seemed to be exactly the same (just a bit more dated, though the aircraft was quite new) like on the international flight before with the exception of the cabin crew rest in the rear, which was substituted by regular seats this time.

After boarding was completed, we left the gate five minutes late and taxied to the runway where we became No. 3 for takeoff behind two company 757´s.
Take Off was a bit more powerful than in Frankfurt as the plane was by far not as heavy as the one before (less fuel and about 60 open seats in Coach) and after having climbed through the clouds, it soon became dark outside.

Shortly after having reached cruise altitude, drinks and pretzels were served and I decided to have another coke but this time asked for the whole can which apparently was no problem.
When we crossed the border to Florida, I was glad to finally enjoy some heavier turbulences but had to assume that the weather in the state I was going to spend the next two weeks in didn´t seem to be the best at this time.

The cockpit crew started the descent to Miami International Airport about twenty minutes before the scheduled arrival time but soon stopped it and banked sharply to the left.
The first officer announced that Miami Airport had just been temporarily closed for all arrivals because of a heavy thunderstorm in the area. I knew this happens quite often in Miami and relaxed because I didn´t have to catch another connection.

After circling over the Atlantic for about ten to fifteen minutes we continued our descent and were able to watch some fantastic lightnings while approaching Miami.
When we were about 300 feet over the runway I noticed that it was raining heavily outside and I prepared for a rather hard landing but we touched down amazingly smooth and taxied to our gate without having used thrust reversers, right behind an Air Canada A319 that had arrived just before us.

Leaving the airplane we thanked the crew and were happy about finally having made it to our destination where we spent two wonderful weeks afterwards between alligators, rollercoasters, fantastic beaches and very nice people. Florida finally made it too my list of most approved holiday destinations and I´ll try to come back as soon as possible.

Arriving at Miami Airport on the Alamo shuttle two weeks later, I was glade to see just a little line at the Delta/Comair Check In where we were soon waved over to the First Class counter where there were no people at that moment.
A male agent who didn´t seem like talking was one of his favourite hobbies checked us in quickly and I was now getting really excited because of knowing that I would be flying on a CRJ for the first time in about three hours.

We continued to the security check where for the first time in the US since that incident on the AA CDG-MIA flight, I did not have to remove my shoes before walking through the metal detector.

I soon recognized that the facilities at the H gates were much better than in United´s concourse E where I departed last year because here I could even manage finding a bar and something to eat…
My brother and me had two final Budweiser´s before walking to gate H3 where we saw our Canadair Jet (N952CA) arriving from Cincinatti about 20 minutes prior to our scheduled departure back to CVG.
An agent apologized for an expected delay of about ten minutes because of the late arriving aircraft but promised an on time arrival in Cincinnati.
Watching the loading process down at the airplane, I could spot all our three bags being packed into the airplane.

A few minutes later, boarding was started and no ID was necessary this time to proceed to the airplane.

Date: 09/19/03
Delta Air Lines Flight DL 5873 (operated by Comair)
Aircraft: Bombardier Canadair Regional Jet CRJ-100ER N952CA del. 12/20/95
Seat: 3D

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As I went through the front door I was greeted by a friendly (and young!!!!) Comair F/A (the only one on this flight) who checked the boarding passes of all passengers.
I took my seat (3D) and immediately noticed that the legroom at the window was slightly reduced due to the narrow shape of the cabin but this could not smash my pleasure of being on such a nice little jet for the first time.

When the doors were closed, there were still three open seats in the first two rows but everything was packed from row three to the back. The captain soon came across the microphone and predicted a flight time of two hours and ten minutes which would mean an on time arrival at Cincinnati although leaving the gate about ten minutes late.

We actually were pushed back at 03.42 pm (12 minutes late) and taxied to our runway where we were No. 1 for departure so the airplane directly accelerated after reaching the halt position.
I would have expected the takeoff to be a bit more powerful but it was fun nevertheless. Sitting at the window I was offered a fantastic panoramic view of Miami Downtown and beautiful Miami Beach with its famous white beach kissing the green water. Actually the colors of that beach are always the best in the afternoon.
There was absolutely no inflight entertainment but I really didn´t care because I don´t use it on short flights anyway.

The captain had announced before that we would be flying directly over Orlando but unfortunately it was cloudy there (the five days we had spent there were nothing but sunny) and I didn´t get to see anything interesting.
Somewhere over the Atlanta area I fell asleep after having had a Sprite accompanied by the usual delicious neutrally flavored Pretzels and woke up when we had already started to descend slightly.
The captain apologized that we had to do some circling before we were allowed to land at Cincinnati because the airport was quite congested at this time so that we would be arriving about ten minutes late.
I didn´t have any sorrows because of the relatively short time before our next departure regarding that I knew CVG was a well organized hub airport which allowed to change between the terminals quickly and – additionally of course – we didn´t have to expect the horror of immigration lines like in Atlanta two weeks ago this time.

From a bird´s perspective, Cincinnati could be mixed up with a european city (the Ohio River valley somewhat looks like the Rheintal in Germany).
We touched down smoothly and once again even more than in Atlanta it was hard to spot any planes not wearing one of the three Delta liveries. That´s what I like so much about my home airport FRA or airports like LHR and JFK – the variety of different airplanes and airlines which many US airports lack. In fact, a United Airlines Airbus and an American Airlines MD-80 were the only ones that I could manage to see.

After having left the airplane at the front door we were directly guided through the Terminal to a bus that took us quickly to the International Terminal.
From this bus, I saw N866DA standing at the Terminal and hoped that this was the one we would be flying on because it was one of those 777´s configured 2-5-2 in Coach so I would have had an aisle instead of a middle seat. But my brother had to disappoint me by telling me that this was not the gate we would be departing from so that I saw it coming that we would have to fly on either N861DA or N867DA, which were both configured 3-3-3.

When we approached our gate in the International Terminal (which seemed to offer a lot of various facilities, way more than in Miami), I had to accept that my fear turned into reality and discovered that our plane was N861DA – not that I don´t like the 777, it´s one of my favourite airplanes but I just prefer 2-5-2 when I´m flying as member of a party of two.

There was a long line at the counter at this gate and I assumed that the flight must have been totally oversold but the reason was antother one: A lady came on the microphone and announced that EVERYBODY had to get a new boarding pass because of a last minute change of aircraft.
We had no choice but get into that line and hope that we could keep our asssigned seats 40H and 40J.
Apparently it was planned to operate one of the 2-5-2 planes first but due to some reason they changed that when all people were already checked in.

Some people got really angry because the staff didn´t manage to offer them the seats they wanted to have, others didn´t care. Fortunately our seats remained the same so the only difference for us was that I was seated in a middle seat now.

The Boarding had already started when the line was still very long (they didn´t call rows or zones this time because it obviously wouldn´t have made any sense regarding the chaotic situation at the counter).

Date: 09/19/03
Delta Air Lines Flight DL048
Aircraft: B777-232(ER) N861DA del. 03/29/99
Seat: 40H

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Remark: this photo was taken on the same day when I was flying on that plane

As we walked down the airbridge into the airplane, two young and good looking female F/A´s welcomed us onboard and guided us to the right aisle of the airplane.
The Business Elite section looked way more comfortable than on the 767-300 as it also has a 2-2-2 layout and everybody knows the difference between the cabin width of a 777 and a 767…

We approached our seats noticing that this time the seats were equipped with adjustable headrests which I consider as quite important on night time flights as you can prevent accidently drifting into your seat-neighbour´s womb.
I took my middle seat and suddenly the safety card (which was still missing in my collection) somehow slipped into my backpack even though I – of course – did anything possible to prevent this terrible accident from happening  Big thumbs up …the world is full of horror…

I checked out the menu but didn´t already decide whether choosing the Chicken-Lasagna or the beef dinner later on.
During the following five minutes my seat neighbour on the aisle changed twice, first it was a german woman who obviously wasn´t satisfied with this seat because her husband was sitting in the front, then an elderly american lady who was then substituted by an approximately 18 year old american guy who didn´t say a single word on the whole flight except for “Coke” and who managed to sleep five hours with his head on the table in front of him.

Twenty minutes after our scheduled departure time there were still passengers boarding the aircraft as a consequence of the chaotic process taking place at the waiting area.
Additional problems were caused by some seats being unoccupied although there shouldn´t have been any space left which resulted in purser-announcements like this one: “Mr Fisher, Mr Fisher, please, if you are onboard then tell a member of our cabin crew.”

Finally, approximately fifteen minutes later we were pushed back and the captain apologized for the delay and its reasons in a very sympathically sounding announcement and thanked us for choosing Delta Air Lines.

While we taxied towards our runway it became almost dark outside and there still was nothing else to spot than Delta, Delta and, surprise, Delta.

Being only No. 6 for takeoff when we reached the runway caused a further delay and we were finally in the air (after a typical 777 takeoff experience) over an hour after we should have originally been.
The cabin crew on this flight was once again professional and friendly with the exception of the male purser who somehow behaved as if he hadn´t slept for three days.
After a couple of Sprites and a very generous beef dinner I fell asleep for about three and a half hours so there´s nothing I can write about this part of the flight with the exception of emphasizing the comfortable seat which made sleeping possible for a person like me who generally can´t sleep well in Coach Class.

Somewhere west of Ireland I woke up when it was still dark outside and as I wasn´t tired anymore I decided to check out the inflight entertainment.
The PTV´s on the Delta 777 are working quite well and I like the new 3D-style-compass where you can see how far you are away from the daylight zone. I watched the movie “Daddy Day Care” and it was quite funny, I have always liked Eddie Murphy as an actor since I was a child.

The breakfast that was served somewhere over Belgium consisted of a warm but too soft croissant and some butter and jelly as well as a small banana. I wasn´t very hungry so I just ate the Croissant and drank some orange juice.

Unfortunately we were not sitting on the left side of the airplane because those people sitting there probably had a nice view of Cologne and Dusseldorf.

Afterwards we entered the usual 25L approach to Frankfurt, first passing the Airport on the North, then turning right onto the final approach path.

We touched down at 10.03 am which was about 30 minutes late and taxied to our gate at Terminal 2 while I could spot a TG 744, CX 744, SQ 744 and lots of LH stuff.

I left the airplane with a feeling of having finished a fantastic trip to Florida and having flown on an airline that is for sure not perfect (nobody is, by the way) but definitely better than its reputation (I said the same about United one year ago) and I would not hesitate flying them again soon.

I hope you didn´t get too bored reading this report which came out to be longer than I originally had planned it to be. Please forgive me if I included any details that maybe weren´t worth mentioning.

Kindest regards,


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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11697 times:

Hello Daniel,

your report was very interesting to read, that is what I call perfect evening entertainment  Big thumbs up. I flew on Delta in the year 1999 (ATL-SFO and LAX-JFK-BRU), all flights were really good but unfortunately I never flew again on them to the USA.

It is really a joke that you have to pay for alcoholic drinks even on international flights now, I remember that I had to pay 3 US$ on my ATL-SFO flight but on the JFK-BRU flight I got everything for free, beer and booze.

Really a pity that you didn't catch the flight which was operated by the 767-400 but I can imagine that such a long flight like MIA-CVG on a Canadair Jet is also an interesting experience.


User currently offlineDoorsToManual From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11707 times:

Hi Daniel

Thanks for an entertaining 15 minutes! I'm really glad to be able to read another report on Delta's international service. Like you say, no one is perfect so I guess we only really notice the very bad airlines.

Seems you had an interesting landing in MIA with all that extreme weather...something I really like about my trips to the USA or Africa.  Big grin
For me, the bumpiest & most "electric" approach was aboard an SAA A320, when we descended through a major storm into JNB from NBO.

Excellent!  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineLfutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3407 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11678 times:
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Hi Daniel!

Enjoyed reading your trip report... Very interesting... Sorry that you missed the 764. How long was the flight from MIA-CVG?


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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11554 times:

Great report for sure...thoroughly enjoyed it...isnt South Florida weather the greatest  Big grin???????


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User currently offlineLH744 From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11486 times:

Cool report Daniel, enjoyed reading very much.

You´re lucky to visit the states twice within a short
time, I´ve been to Florida this June and would rather go
back today instead of tomorrow.

One question: What did you pay for the DL trip to Florida?

When I went in June an United Airlines fare from DL), Germany">DUS to
MIA and back operating on LH was 413 Euros incl. taxes.
Would have loved to finally fly Triple Seven but all others
had unbearable prices.



User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11459 times:

Thanks a lot to all of you guys for your positive replies, I really appreciate it.

Patrick:You´re right, missing the 764 was really disappointing but being on one of the longest CRJ flights was a good compensation. Thank you again for your kind remarks.

DoorsToManual: Wow, did it really last 15 minutes to read this? I´m impressed. The weather at MIA is really outstanding, whenever there´s a thunderstorm coming in, it never seems to miss the airport. Btw, what´s up with your profile?

Greg: Well, from a passenger´s point of view it´s indeed very interesting but when I´m there on holidays I rather prefer some sun compared to a nasty storm...

Dennis: As I wrote in my report, the Delta flight was sold in combination with a midsize Alamo Car for 14 days, so the price isn´t really comparable but it was something between €1400,- and €1450,- for TWO flights and one car, if I remember correctly.


User currently offlineFlairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11243 times:

at FLL on 9/11, I was able to understand the clear list as this was the last flight and the list was small:

standby is obvious, but i think that now you can fly on a standby ticket, in other words get a ticket and hope to make the flight.

i think there are 2 cleared lists, one of them is for first class, and the other one is ???. I know that if you stand there and read the screen, it will eventually tell you. I really enjoy those screens... they have a map of the plane and as well has weather conditions, etc. IT was alsohelpul that the guy at the desk was saying exactly what the screen said so you understood it..

User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 11132 times:

Flairport, thanks for your reply, but what does "clear" actually mean related to tickets or boarding passes?

User currently offlineDALelite From Switzerland, joined Jun 2000, 1770 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10864 times:

three tumbs up for your entertaining trip report!!!
happy that you enjoyed your flights with my favorite airline to the states.

regards... DALelite

They loved to fly and it showed..
User currently offlineCOEWR2587 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 607 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (11 years 9 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10408 times:

Nice report, Delta 767-400's suck. They have very little legroom, and no PTV's. Even the first class is very cramped.

Newark Airport...My Home Away From Home
User currently offlineAv8rDAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 474 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10099 times:


Sehr gut und echt cool!

I've taken the FRA-ATL flight a couple times and I must say it's quite an experience, especially since it's longer and a daytime flight. The last time I did it, some smelly guy in clubbing attire sat in front of me who also appeared as if he had not had a shower in a week. He smelled of beer and body odor. Nasty.

Sounds like you guys had fun in south Florida. Glad you liked Delta. The only thing that LH does better than Delta is the free beer (Warsteiner and Becks too). Anyone of our age group understands the importance of this.



Maintain thine airspeed, lest the Earth rise up and smite thee.
User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4706 posts, RR: 39
Reply 12, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9926 times:

Hi Daniel!
Thanks for a very enjoyable trip report!  Big thumbs up Too bad you missed out on the B764, but I suppose, these birds will be around long enought to get another chance on your next trip to the US.

BTW - I wouldn't call flying on a CRJ for more than 2 hours an interesting experience, to me this is downright nasty.

Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9886 times:

Hey guys,

thanks a lot for your positive replies. I was kind of surprised to see my one year old report back up on top of the list.
I´ve just finished another trip to Florida on Continental and will post a report here soon.

Jens, concerning the CRJ-experience, I have to agree with you nowadays as I´ve meanwhile flown on this thing quite some time...I will try to avoid it in the future  Smile

User currently offlineDoorsToManual From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9862 times:

I was kind of surprised to see my one year old report back up on top of the list.

Imagine my surprise at having read the entire trip report having forgotten I'd replied to it 1 year previously...oh well, thanks for another great 15 minutes!

User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9868 times:

One year old but still very entertaining! Thanks for a great read, I had not spotted it before. I can agree with you about the CRJ experience!


Once you have tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned forever skyward
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9823 times:

BTW - I wouldn't call flying on a CRJ for more than 2 hours an interesting experience, to me this is downright nasty.

Actually I never had problems with the lack of space or legroom on all my CRJ (and ERJ) flights despite I am 1,90m tall, so I can imagine to fly even more than two hours on such a plane.

Ok, there is nothing better than getting a large plane on short flights (I experienced three short flights on widebody equipment in Business Class while I was in Asia and these flights were really comfortable) but the CRJ is more comfortable than a crappy 735 in my opinion, so I would clearly prefer it, especially the CR7.


Edit: Typo

[Edited 2004-09-20 18:37:50]

User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9763 times:

Imagine my surprise at having read the entire trip report having forgotten I'd replied to it 1 year previously

You mean you did not immediately remember already having read this brilliant historical piece of literature after the first few words...now if that´s not quite an insult to the author...  Big grin

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